Long time SU Pro user, few months ago I was tired of paying every year what before was "maintenance" and later became "licence" , which forces you to renew to keep going. So I canceled the automatic renewal, installed Blender, a bit of struggle at the beginning but now I can do just fine, especially with the BIM addon (all for free..). Some grey areas if you need to print out but there are other sw for that, no biggie. Totally worth it.
To be fair i didn't mind paying Maintenance as you still owned the software if you stopped paying. Subs is renting so you pony up or lose access to it completely.
@@neogeo339 agree, not to mention that, by not paying attention maybe,I was enrolled to automatic renewal, which sucks, big time What made me jump ship 100% was when we experienced internet disruption for a few days and my SU files and the app were not accessible..
@@dwon7781 I only teach SketchCrap because I have to. The money I earn with Blender. The guide lines, the ease of the Interface, and nesting components is really great in SketchUp but then the list of what is better in Blender will quickly fill pages. I know SKetchUp since it was first released thus I am really amused about how ambient occlusion is so celebrated lol. There are way more important tools like a decent bevel tool, better UV unwrapping, editing multiple objects at once, real camera position and not this crap scene animation stuff ...SketchUp needs But hey why do it when a bevel tools costs you 35$ subD tools coast an extra 60$ and the market is anyway unable to switch ...
I own the last version where you could get a forever license. I'm fine using 2020 as it does what I need it to do. Removing the ability to save to 2020 or earlier is just another step to try and make everyone a subscriber. They're already removed earlier version on the 3d Warehouse so it's of no use to me now. There is real lack of site offering sketchup content.
Me too. They just want money for nothing. I buy the best plugins, because they give me value and I appreciate the work..but SketchUp itself..it's a dying product.
I stopped upgrading at 2020 also, because I didn't want to be strong-armed into a subscription package. It was very disappointing to see Trimble go down this route.
@@OlavSchneider This shouldn't be allowed mate. Trimble are trying to force users to go subscription. I need to look into the legality of what their doing.
I don't know that I think it's really sneaky - they have to draw the line at some point with what versions to support, but like I said, I do find it a little sad
@@Thesketchupessentials so please let me understand. I've being a pro user for three years now and also looking to migrate to Blender. If I just decide to give up spending all the money for the subscription I won't be able to access all my projects???
Ever wondered, how Trimble doesn’t mind investing in converting files to newer versions, that have been on the warehouse for years and were originally made in older versions of skp. But they can’t be expected to invest in keeping files accessible in older version formats? I personally think it’s not hard, nor expensive to keep all files accessible as older versions too. The warehouse was a great thing once, filled by the people and free to use for anyone. More and more it’s being converted to ‘by the people, for Trimble’. I really find that disrespectful and not doing justice to the skp community.
That pissed me off. I have pro 2018 and when I found out they blocked access to those, along with the google maps, I wondered why I paid for the pro version if it was going to be hamstrung. How difficult would it have to have been to send out a patch for users like me? The only answer that makes sense, is to force users onto the subscription model and save their bottom line.
@@Thesketchupessentials the ones I am referring to were native to SU 2018pro, and are no longer functional. My point is that Trimble could have had a programmer write a workaround fix that I and others like myself could download that would allow access to them. They chose not to.
@@gerretw You're asking that they commit development resources to updating a 7 year old piece of software? Also, they didn't block access to Google Maps - Google removed access to those maps - that was a change by the provider of the data itself
@@Thesketchupessentials No, it's water over the dam now. I am saying they should have done it back in 20 or 21 when they dropped the access. When I purchased the pro version after years of using the free version, I expected it to last - to keep it's full functionality. I tried to purchase 2020 upgrade version but somehow my order got lost and it expired. They knew the change in access was coming since their programmers were developing it. They chose not to. I have used the workaround for the loss of google maps, but it's not as good as the original.
I am finding sketchup version 24 is buggy. Wont accept insert dwg files as crashes. Why do software companies issue new versions on to market without full development to resolve bugs ???
@@silvershadow7932 all drafting software is the same. Generally in the architect profession we are one or two versions behind. For example My team is not using archicad version 27 but still on 24 and it has nothing to do with software costs, but if 27 breaks/ buggy all of production team suffers. Let some else be the guinea pig!!! We normally wait until stable. I loaded all the plugins as new version (a full Sunday) and still had issues with the “big boys” plug ins.
@@silvershadow7932And getting paid for double while being at it, profiting from false hope cause you need one stable version as the work horse but also want be on the latest because of the feature candies 🍬🤑 . It's 2024 where customers pay for the mere hope to get a finished product but having their very own satisfaction of being constantly "up-to-date". What if for Sketchup 2025 they introduce pre- orders and Sketchup DLCs 😂
I'm a pro subscriber. I justify this heavily on the fact that support and learning videos, forums, etc are going to be in sync with later versions. I'm serious about making and creating and having good tools that I can figure out is important. I have a friend that really was influential in my using sketchup. He is a big "freeware" guy. So we drift further and further apart on our sketchup commonality. A big annoyance with new sketchup versions for me is that the desktop settings and extensions are not brought over with the update. I have to re-install and rearrange the out of the box default to what I want to have. If there is some way I can download and go with 2024 that will pick up all my settings and extensions from 2023 - please let me know.
Well at some point, the free desktop versions and even the paid versions become so old that it's a little unrealistic to continue supporting them. Setting I agree with you on - I wish those would migrate better. Extensions though, are a little trickier. Since they're built by individual developers who update when/if it's convenient for them, I'm not sure I WANT my old extensions trying to come over automatically. This is no different in other softwares like Blender.
@@Thesketchupessentials naaa, it's quite different. The difference with Blender (or any other professional grade 3d package) is plain simple: You don't need 180 plugins to make it barely useful, which is unfortunately the case for Sketchup. You just need a handful of them to accomplish specific tasks, so it's easy to migrate to a new version.
@@marcellopaniccia3d741 I've used Blender - a lot, and I always end up back at SketchUp for architectural modeling. For starters, it has a line tool...and guides...and Layout...and easy to use styles... Blender is very clearly not made with CAD style modeling in mind, and that's fine, but I don't think you get to gatekeep what's "professional"
At my place of employment we use a large library of Dynamic Components. We would save as v2006 before giving to customers as this would remove all of the dynamic functionality. We didn't want to give away all of our DCs. Not having this capability really is a problem for us.
Thanks for this - I've been looking for concrete examples of how this is affecting people - make sure to include it in the form in this new forum post from SketchUp - forums.sketchup.com/t/end-of-support-changes-in-sketchup-2024/267790
There is another problem that no one is talking about, and i am telling you: The new graphics engine only supports antialiasing up to x8, which is a problem, obtaining certain artifacts such as saw teeth in the visualization of the 3D model. In addition, I notice the lines than the SKP22 version, even without having active the option of profiles. I have been testing the same models in versions such as 2022 and 2023 and I notice some delay in milliseconds, perhaps, when making face extrusions to convert them into 3D. In addition, the default tray covers a lot of space and does not allow it to be narrower.
Can you save to 2021-2023 and then save again to an older version? I know it's a pain and this extension is definitely better but if th extesion ever stops working. I forget if you can have multiple sketchup version on PC, on Mac you can have multiple versions of Sketchup installed at the same time.
Not sure why with every newer sketchup I have bigger and bigger problem snapping snapping points , it is to sensitive with back edges. I'm not able to select point what I see on the front but it is snapping all points on the back , the same with object points center , edges I wish instead of pressing alt will be nice to hold this will deactivate geometry snap and just snap to object "bounding box" .
What I do to keep all points on the same plane is hold down the shift key after the cursor is on the plane I want to select points on. This locks the selection of points to only those on that plane.
Whilst true that companies can't support older versions indefinitely, the fact this guy wrote a Ruby Script to fix it in such a brief time without affecting functionality just highlights this is yet another attempt to get 2020 Pro users onto Subscription. i love SU and i would really like the Point Cloud function but the fact that it is shoved into the top tier Sub when it used to be a free extension combined with forced subs means I have begun the painful process of learning Blender. With V-ray also desperate to force users onto Subs the entire SU ecosystem is a constant mix of Subs and license management programs that I can do without.
Im having an issue trying to figure out how to generate a report. I design and build decks for a living and have been learning sketchup this year. Everything I see says to go to file then from there generate a report. I dont have that option under file. I have "Start new study" only. I just need it to tell me how many of every component I need. Any help on finding out how to do this now? Is this something not available for 2024? If so, why would they have me put a price to each component. Thanks, your videos have helped me a ton so far!
We have a talented external colleague, but he refuses to update from 2019 till getting new hardware - even when we told him the office would buy him the software. So that's going to be annoying for the next two years! :D Thank you for the heads-up up the plug in though, that should do the trick!
Justin, I'm at a crossroads thanks to Enscape only working on SKU 2022 and up. I don't mind upgrading, (from 2020 Pro) but I wonder: how was it for your go-to extensions when you upgraded to '24? I'm a heavy Vali, Curic, and Flex Tools user, for instance. I couldn't function in SKU without those as they save me so much time.
So far those all seem to be working. I've been getting a weird error message from Flex Tools every now and then, but it's loading and working fine. I'm assuming you'd still keep your 2020 Pro license anyway, right? I can't remember what year the standalones stopped, but I can tell you the ambient occlusion style and the general performance improvement this year have been significant for me
@@Thesketchupessentials My gut says the speed improvement means I'd save the yearly cost of upgrading just in time savings annually, so it's probably the way to go. Thanks for the feedback!
The devs are basically pushing away that responsibility to volunteers in the face of improving the Sketchup Experience as a whole but in reality just ends up in controversies and splitting the community
im try to keep up with this software's and it's hard so i get were your coming from even now im having problem with the new version so if you can help that would be great as i keep jumping between them trying to fix somethings like the sphere keep over lapping in the new version and not lining you with axle.
Sketchup used to be my go-to application, even over cheaper or free options. But over the last 5 or so years there has been very little in the way of improvements. The UI, the features, the power is all getting stale. So many other applications are starting to eat its lunch, including Fusion360, Pasticity, and Blender. I still use it out of pure inertia, and I would really really miss the amazing open cutlist extension so I stick with it for now. But if I found an equivalent in Blender (for example) I would completely bail.
I am yet to test the upper versions, but as far as I know, Revit supports up to 2017 version of SketchUp for native import. So, this just breaks that workflow. Although this is not really SketchUp to blame for 😂
I installed Sketchup 2023 Pro yesterday on my new Mac Mini, While working on a file created under the same version the application not only crashed, but it deleted the Sketchup application from my applications folder. It was just gone, along with Style Builder and Layout. I had to go back and re-install it. Has anyone ever heard of that happening? I've never seen that before with any application.
Hi Justin! Have you found any issues with the geolocate feature? Since updating to SU 24 (I have a Pro plan), I’m not able to use the add location feature. It says I must have a subscription, even though I have Pro. Have you found a workaround for this?
I buy the license for 2019, there is no support anymore the program is getting slower, they want you to buy the subscription, I used layout for work and sometimes is not responding, I’m looking on moving into other programs like AutoCad,
Im new to sketup and ive been playing around with the free version a lot. And i have a question. Im at the point that im starting my own business and was thinking of bying the pro versio. But not knowing how much money ill be making i cant see it being worth 350$ a year. YET. If i were to purchase the 2024 version and not any other version for a few more years what would happen?
$350 a year is less than $36 month. If you are a professional user making money with it you likely charge at $30-40 an hour (of you should be). Which means that of the 120-200 hours you might work a month, 1 of those is spent paying for the software. And that's if you charge $40 an hour. If your hourly is $60 or above, you literally spend about 30 minutes a month paying for the software. How is that not worth the money? No other craft or skill that requires tools of any kind expects their tools to be free. This professional user's idea that apps should be free is so fundamentally skewed. Don't fall for it. Charge what you and your tools are worth. That is a better mentality in the long run. Sketchup as a pro 3D modeling tool with a documentation segment is the cheapest on the market. Become an expert and $34 a month you have to spend on it will be an afterthought for your overhead.
@@blacksheep_77 I teach sketchup. every year, my first day of training pays for SU. this year, I came home from holidays on the 8th of jan, and paid sketchup on the 9th. so as you say, if the business doesn't generate enough to sustain sketchup's subscription, you might need to rethink your business model…
@@Thesketchupessentials Me too, I opened a model that was super choppy when orbiting and i multiplied that whole model 10x in 2024 and it was definitely usable.
As a sk 2020 user, I still see no significant progress in sk development to mive to a yearly paid subscription. Plugin developers are the guys who actually develop and push the sk envelope. In my view Trimble and its subsidiary companies actively stifle sk development to promote Revit etc. Next move is blender !
I'm here to roast Trimble again (not you, Justin, your videos are as always helpful and informative!). It's ridiculous if there's any problem with maintaining compatibility with older versions for such a simple format as SKP. And again, I'm gonna compare it to Blender, which is free, very complex, develops rapidly and maintains its models' backward compatilibity. Even though they introduce "breaking updates" every couple of versions, you can still open newer Blends in older Blenders and most data won't be lost.
We use this in education but the way sketchup checks the license it uses Bing. The problem here is that in the Uk Bing is blocked by a firewall ( in educational establishments that is) because it has unsafe search previews.. Sketchup use to use google.....why change to Bing? . There is a fix on windows versions to open the private preferenceJson and add 'the necessary google re-direct edit- on a certain line. This can work on windows and mac however it is now not possible on mac 2024 version. For us to use it in education we have to apply the fix to every student's windows account. Students using their own laptops under school wifi= it wont work- ie accessing the license check wont work( one can apply the same fix on a mac but not in the 2024 version) It is so frustrating. Why cant sketchup produce an educational version and a professional version it cant be much to change a simple redirect in the code since it can be done manually on the private preference json file. some one mentioned that it was changed from google to bing because google is blocked in China.....go figure
Extensions typically take a little while to get updated for a new version of SketchUp, which is why I usually recommend you keep a copy of the previous version installed for a while just in case you need something
If this means what I think it means, then they'd better be taking a less "locked in" approach to their utterly tragic UX. The broken editing/resizing experience, for example, must get refactored. By deprecating unsupported versions for backwards comparability, it should signal that SketchUp will no longer be beholden to outmoded poorly realized design metaphors.
I'm not sure what this would have to do with the UI - I would assume this more has to do with the data shown in the 3D space than the overlays around it
This could be solved by making the current desktop version free for non-commercial use and restricting the size of the model allowed or the addition of a watermark on all output or some other restriction but still allowed access to the full package including extensions that are vital to the majority of SketchUp users. I've seen this sort of non-commercial restriction in other software and it would negate the need for Trimble to support any but the most recent 2 offerings going forward. Thoughts?
I am totally fed up with all of these tricks to make you subscribe. I would definitely consider buying a new version, as I did with 2019, but to give the 300€ to do WAY less than what the developers of plugins do for a fraction of the money is just not a good deal. Sketchup improves mostly through plugin debelopers (look a Fredo for example, he alone did more than Trimble these years, at least for me)
And... wow sk just added AMBIENT OCCLUSION... lol... what a joke... bought sketchFX extension years ago ... AND IT DOES MORE ! Another example of how plugin developers push sk ... not trimble!
What they should so is a pay as you go subscription, they have it for Apple, why not windows, makes no sense, I've being using Sketchup since 2014 and as much as I use it, I dont use it every week, or every month, They would have more people signing up to it, if it was a monthly pay as you go
Tja that is when an industry decides to stick with a monopoly. It would have been easy to fund the development of some of the tools sketch up is really good and and improve the workflow in Blender as an example. Hey at least 2024 sketchUp finally has a new graphic engine to make it faster as it so far was the worst app to work with dense models.
What monopoly do you think SketchUp has? Blender is an interesting example I suppose - I like Blender, but it's also very fragmented. They do roll out a lot of tools in every release, but Blender is also a different kind of modeling program, targeting sculpting, VFX, procedural modeling, rendering, etc. They haven't actually updated the base modeling functions outside of sculpting significantly in many releases now, and ironically those functions were actually tools that sort of mirrored what SketchUp does, but not as well. Nothing against Blender at all, but it's a LITTLE apples and oranges in my opinion. You can't really say "look, they changed the compositor, while SketchUp did nothing," as SketchUp doesn't HAVE a compositor, nor should it...
@@Thesketchupessentials The point monopoly is the fact that basically every interior design position more or less demands SketchUp. And honestly, it is their own (user) fault. SketchUp modeling abilities is inferior the moment you want to make something different than a box and you know to make SketchUp usable you need to use by now commercial extensions that give it common tools such as fillet etc. You know that pretty well by yourself. 2024 finally they improved the graphics engine and added ambient occlusion. Better modeling tools would have been more welcome. A different way to explain the problem with SketchUp is the Layout too. At first, it looks great but then it falls flat fast. SketchUp as a package is just not worth they money they charge you per year. If it were cheaper my opinion would be different. True compared to Blender SketchUp is faster to pick up and do some basic work and I truly understand that. Thats why I put the blame one the users in the industry who are simply lazy. With a little more effort they could learn drastically more powerful tools and don't waste funding on it each year. Hence the point of a missed opportunity to fund the development of a SketchUp like drafting workflow for Blender.
Honestly, i dont like anything on the new version, location is subcription based, the new graphics engine and old graphics engine is slower as my current 2021 version at 16x analizing, feels like youre working with a bit of lag. They should look at blender how fast stuff really can work. Anyways, thanks sketchup, but i will stick to my old version =)
Are you sure your 2024 version is actually set to use the new engine? Because I would be surprised if this was the case (that 2024 is slower than 2021)
@@Thesketchupessentials hi there. Yeah i have a 3070 gpu. Tried it with a 250mb file. I had both sketchups open, and with the new one also had everything set to max graphics, new engine and even chose my 3070 gpu. It works fine but not so nippy as my old version. I recon it may be exactly the same if i revert to old engine but it also feel like with a slight drag as you move about. Im not sure how to explain this, but feel like its a higher framerate but slower feedback to what get on screen. I know its early days, in time they will improve on this engine and its a good step in this direction but feel it need some work =)
@@silvershadow7932try uninstall 2021 version, I also had that problem with 2023 version that was much faster than 2024 version, but after I uninstall 2023 version, the new render engine really is much better, I left a comment about that problem on Justin video about the Sketchup2024 release
They are not providing any real updates. It's the same program for years. And they are making it difficult for people. Another option will appear soon, and they will end up bankrupt.
Based on the 2024 version this just isn't accurate. There was a significant rewrite of the graphical engine to improve the performance issues that people have complained about for a while - that is definitely a "real update"
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Long time SU Pro user, few months ago I was tired of paying every year what before was "maintenance" and later became "licence" , which forces you to renew to keep going.
So I canceled the automatic renewal, installed Blender, a bit of struggle at the beginning but now I can do just fine, especially with the BIM addon (all for free..). Some grey areas if you need to print out but there are other sw for that, no biggie. Totally worth it.
To be fair i didn't mind paying Maintenance as you still owned the software if you stopped paying. Subs is renting so you pony up or lose access to it completely.
@@neogeo339 agree, not to mention that, by not paying attention maybe,I was enrolled to automatic renewal, which sucks, big time
What made me jump ship 100% was when we experienced internet disruption for a few days and my SU files and the app were not accessible..
I switched to Blender back in 2018 for civil engineering, landscape and graphic design, it was worth it. Best of luck!
@@dwon7781 nice one, if interested there is OSArch, very vibrant platform, at the core of BlenderBIM development
@@dwon7781 I only teach SketchCrap because I have to. The money I earn with Blender.
The guide lines, the ease of the Interface, and nesting components is really great in SketchUp but then the list of what is better in Blender will quickly fill pages.
I know SKetchUp since it was first released thus I am really amused about how ambient occlusion is so celebrated lol. There are way more important tools like a decent bevel tool, better UV unwrapping, editing multiple objects at once, real camera position and not this crap scene animation stuff ...SketchUp needs
But hey why do it when a bevel tools costs you 35$ subD tools coast an extra 60$ and the market is anyway unable to switch ...
Please write to eneroth for updating "open newer version" extension.
I own the last version where you could get a forever license. I'm fine using 2020 as it does what I need it to do. Removing the ability to save to 2020 or earlier is just another step to try and make everyone a subscriber. They're already removed earlier version on the 3d Warehouse so it's of no use to me now. There is real lack of site offering sketchup content.
Me too. They just want money for nothing. I buy the best plugins, because they give me value and I appreciate the work..but SketchUp itself..it's a dying product.
I stopped upgrading at 2020 also, because I didn't want to be strong-armed into a subscription package. It was very disappointing to see Trimble go down this route.
You should be able to upgrade to 2021 for free,
You can't even upload your models any more.
@@OlavSchneider This shouldn't be allowed mate. Trimble are trying to force users to go subscription.
I need to look into the legality of what their doing.
What a sneaky move!
Nice to see there is a work around.
I don't know that I think it's really sneaky - they have to draw the line at some point with what versions to support, but like I said, I do find it a little sad
You are correct, it is not sneaky, it was blatant
@@Thesketchupessentials so please let me understand. I've being a pro user for three years now and also looking to migrate to Blender. If I just decide to give up spending all the money for the subscription I won't be able to access all my projects???
Ever wondered, how Trimble doesn’t mind investing in converting files to newer versions, that have been on the warehouse for years and were originally made in older versions of skp. But they can’t be expected to invest in keeping files accessible in older version formats? I personally think it’s not hard, nor expensive to keep all files accessible as older versions too. The warehouse was a great thing once, filled by the people and free to use for anyone. More and more it’s being converted to ‘by the people, for Trimble’. I really find that disrespectful and not doing justice to the skp community.
Look guys even with AutoDesk you can open files from the 90's.
As a older version user it really tics me off that most of the stuff in the extension store and 3
D Warehouse is not available for us users.
That pissed me off. I have pro 2018 and when I found out they blocked access to those, along with the google maps, I wondered why I paid for the pro version if it was going to be hamstrung. How difficult would it have to have been to send out a patch for users like me? The only
answer that makes sense, is to force users onto the subscription model and save their bottom line.
Who do you propose updates all those extensions? You can't force extension developers to update extensions in perpetuity for free...
@@Thesketchupessentials the ones I am referring to were native to SU 2018pro, and are no longer functional. My point is that Trimble could have had a programmer write a workaround fix that I and others like myself could download that would allow access to them. They chose not to.
@@gerretw You're asking that they commit development resources to updating a 7 year old piece of software? Also, they didn't block access to Google Maps - Google removed access to those maps - that was a change by the provider of the data itself
@@Thesketchupessentials No, it's water over the dam now. I am saying they should have done it back in 20 or 21 when they dropped the access. When I purchased the pro version after years of using the free version, I expected it to last - to keep it's full functionality. I tried to purchase 2020 upgrade version but somehow my order got lost and it expired. They knew the change in access was coming since their programmers were developing it. They chose not to. I have used the workaround for the loss of google maps, but it's not as good as the original.
I am finding sketchup version 24 is buggy. Wont accept insert dwg files as crashes. Why do software companies issue new versions on to market without full development to resolve bugs ???
I also feel this was a rushed release. These days its the norm, they do it with games as well. Lets just release it, we will fix it over time.
@@silvershadow7932 all drafting software is the same. Generally in the architect profession we are one or two versions behind. For example My team is not using archicad version 27 but still on 24 and it has nothing to do with software costs, but if 27 breaks/ buggy all of production team suffers. Let some else be the guinea pig!!! We normally wait until stable. I loaded all the plugins as new version (a full Sunday) and still had issues with the “big boys” plug ins.
@@silvershadow7932And getting paid for double while being at it, profiting from false hope cause you need one stable version as the work horse but also want be on the latest because of the feature candies 🍬🤑 . It's 2024 where customers pay for the mere hope to get a finished product but having their very own satisfaction of being constantly "up-to-date". What if for Sketchup 2025 they introduce pre- orders and Sketchup DLCs 😂
I'm a pro subscriber. I justify this heavily on the fact that support and learning videos, forums, etc are going to be in sync with later versions. I'm serious about making and creating and having good tools that I can figure out is important. I have a friend that really was influential in my using sketchup. He is a big "freeware" guy. So we drift further and further apart on our sketchup commonality.
A big annoyance with new sketchup versions for me is that the desktop settings and extensions are not brought over with the update. I have to re-install and rearrange the out of the box default to what I want to have. If there is some way I can download and go with 2024 that will pick up all my settings and extensions from 2023 - please let me know.
Well at some point, the free desktop versions and even the paid versions become so old that it's a little unrealistic to continue supporting them. Setting I agree with you on - I wish those would migrate better. Extensions though, are a little trickier. Since they're built by individual developers who update when/if it's convenient for them, I'm not sure I WANT my old extensions trying to come over automatically. This is no different in other softwares like Blender.
@@Thesketchupessentials naaa, it's quite different.
The difference with Blender (or any other professional grade 3d package) is plain simple:
You don't need 180 plugins to make it barely useful, which is unfortunately the case for Sketchup.
You just need a handful of them to accomplish specific tasks, so it's easy to migrate to a new version.
@@marcellopaniccia3d741 I've used Blender - a lot, and I always end up back at SketchUp for architectural modeling. For starters, it has a line tool...and guides...and Layout...and easy to use styles... Blender is very clearly not made with CAD style modeling in mind, and that's fine, but I don't think you get to gatekeep what's "professional"
At my place of employment we use a large library of Dynamic Components. We would save as v2006 before giving to customers as this would remove all of the dynamic functionality. We didn't want to give away all of our DCs. Not having this capability really is a problem for us.
Thanks for this - I've been looking for concrete examples of how this is affecting people - make sure to include it in the form in this new forum post from SketchUp - forums.sketchup.com/t/end-of-support-changes-in-sketchup-2024/267790
@@Thesketchupessentials 👍
There is another problem that no one is talking about, and i am telling you:
The new graphics engine only supports antialiasing up to x8, which is a problem, obtaining certain artifacts such as saw teeth in the visualization of the 3D model. In addition, I notice the lines than the SKP22 version, even without having active the option of profiles. I have been testing the same models in versions such as 2022 and 2023 and I notice some delay in milliseconds, perhaps, when making face extrusions to convert them into 3D. In addition, the default tray covers a lot of space and does not allow it to be narrower.
Can you save to 2021-2023 and then save again to an older version? I know it's a pain and this extension is definitely better but if th extesion ever stops working. I forget if you can have multiple sketchup version on PC, on Mac you can have multiple versions of Sketchup installed at the same time.
You might have said and I missed it, does 2024 open files created by 2017?
Yep
i am working in sketchup 20023, but recently i am facing problem to open file . the msg pop up is "failed to open the document"
I'm also surprised that this happened at 3dwarehouse some time ago.
Not sure why with every newer sketchup I have bigger and bigger problem snapping snapping points , it is to sensitive with back edges. I'm not able to select point what I see on the front but it is snapping all points on the back , the same with object points center , edges I wish instead of pressing alt will be nice to hold this will deactivate geometry snap and just snap to object "bounding box" .
Because.. probably the Dev team isn't very good, don't care much, the code is very old and it's too expensive to replace it.
@@sirrodneyffing1 Sketchup devs working smarter and not harder 💀
You can snap to bounding box (no matter the shape) with Fredo Move Along and Fredo Draw Along.!
What I do to keep all points on the same plane is hold down the shift key after the cursor is on the plane I want to select points on. This locks the selection of points to only those on that plane.
Whilst true that companies can't support older versions indefinitely, the fact this guy wrote a Ruby Script to fix it in such a brief time without affecting functionality just highlights this is yet another attempt to get 2020 Pro users onto Subscription. i love SU and i would really like the Point Cloud function but the fact that it is shoved into the top tier Sub when it used to be a free extension combined with forced subs means I have begun the painful process of learning Blender. With V-ray also desperate to force users onto Subs the entire SU ecosystem is a constant mix of Subs and license management programs that I can do without.
Im having an issue trying to figure out how to generate a report. I design and build decks for a living and have been learning sketchup this year. Everything I see says to go to file then from there generate a report. I dont have that option under file. I have "Start new study" only. I just need it to tell me how many of every component I need. Any help on finding out how to do this now? Is this something not available for 2024? If so, why would they have me put a price to each component. Thanks, your videos have helped me a ton so far!
We have a talented external colleague, but he refuses to update from 2019 till getting new hardware - even when we told him the office would buy him the software. So that's going to be annoying for the next two years! :D
Thank you for the heads-up up the plug in though, that should do the trick!
Justin, I'm at a crossroads thanks to Enscape only working on SKU 2022 and up. I don't mind upgrading, (from 2020 Pro) but I wonder: how was it for your go-to extensions when you upgraded to '24? I'm a heavy Vali, Curic, and Flex Tools user, for instance. I couldn't function in SKU without those as they save me so much time.
So far those all seem to be working. I've been getting a weird error message from Flex Tools every now and then, but it's loading and working fine. I'm assuming you'd still keep your 2020 Pro license anyway, right? I can't remember what year the standalones stopped, but I can tell you the ambient occlusion style and the general performance improvement this year have been significant for me
@@Thesketchupessentials My gut says the speed improvement means I'd save the yearly cost of upgrading just in time savings annually, so it's probably the way to go. Thanks for the feedback!
Not sure about 2021 compatibility as well one of my friends tried to open 2024 file in 2021 it showed error message of unexpected file format.
Love the model can I get the link to it?
i buy sketchup every year, but i need save as older version because my vcarve only imports 2019 ! 😢
The devs are basically pushing away that responsibility to volunteers in the face of improving the Sketchup Experience as a whole but in reality just ends up in controversies and splitting the community
Thanks for this info - it worked smoothly and is a real benefit. I can now upload into 2017 on my laptop and demo drawings at meetings.☺
im try to keep up with this software's and it's hard so i get were your coming from even now im having problem with the new version so if you can help that would be great as i keep jumping between them trying to fix somethings like the sphere keep over lapping in the new version and not lining you with axle.
Sketchup used to be my go-to application, even over cheaper or free options. But over the last 5 or so years there has been very little in the way of improvements. The UI, the features, the power is all getting stale.
So many other applications are starting to eat its lunch, including Fusion360, Pasticity, and Blender.
I still use it out of pure inertia, and I would really really miss the amazing open cutlist extension so I stick with it for now. But if I found an equivalent in Blender (for example) I would completely bail.
Any plans of creating content for shaper 3d software.
Probably not right now
Thank you very much, your tutorial was very helpful with the problem I was facing earlier.
I am yet to test the upper versions, but as far as I know, Revit supports up to 2017 version of SketchUp for native import. So, this just breaks that workflow. Although this is not really SketchUp to blame for 😂
Just tested this, Revit 2024.2 version imports SketchUp 2024 files. Which is good!
I installed Sketchup 2023 Pro yesterday on my new Mac Mini, While working on a file created under the same version the application not only crashed, but it deleted the Sketchup application from my applications folder. It was just gone, along with Style Builder and Layout. I had to go back and re-install it. Has anyone ever heard of that happening? I've never seen that before with any application.
Personally never heard of this happening - maybe someone on the forum has? Where did you get the installer?
Thanks so much.. Its working perfectly fine for me also.
Hi Justin! Have you found any issues with the geolocate feature? Since updating to SU 24 (I have a Pro plan), I’m not able to use the add location feature. It says I must have a subscription, even though I have Pro. Have you found a workaround for this?
I've not had this issue - maybe post about it in the forum and maybe someone from SketchUp has experienced it?
I really don't mind the new updates as long as SketchUp provides a free desktop version, unfortunately there is not.
Thanks Justin!
I buy the license for 2019, there is no support anymore the program is getting slower, they want you to buy the subscription, I used layout for work and sometimes is not responding, I’m looking on moving into other programs like AutoCad,
I mean...most software packages don't support 5 year old versions of their software anymore. Autodesk will also charge you a subscription...
Im new to sketup and ive been playing around with the free version a lot. And i have a question. Im at the point that im starting my own business and was thinking of bying the pro versio. But not knowing how much money ill be making i cant see it being worth 350$ a year. YET. If i were to purchase the 2024 version and not any other version for a few more years what would happen?
$350 a year is less than $36 month.
If you are a professional user making money with it you likely charge at $30-40 an hour (of you should be). Which means that of the 120-200 hours you might work a month, 1 of those is spent paying for the software.
And that's if you charge $40 an hour. If your hourly is $60 or above, you literally spend about 30 minutes a month paying for the software.
How is that not worth the money?
No other craft or skill that requires tools of any kind expects their tools to be free. This professional user's idea that apps should be free is so fundamentally skewed. Don't fall for it. Charge what you and your tools are worth. That is a better mentality in the long run. Sketchup as a pro 3D modeling tool with a documentation segment is the cheapest on the market. Become an expert and $34 a month you have to spend on it will be an afterthought for your overhead.
@@blacksheep_77 I teach sketchup. every year, my first day of training pays for SU. this year, I came home from holidays on the 8th of jan, and paid sketchup on the 9th.
so as you say, if the business doesn't generate enough to sustain sketchup's subscription, you might need to rethink your business model…
Im using a fairly beefy laptop. 4090rtx, phat processor. I didn't really notice any significant difference in speed.
In large models? I saw a SUBSTANTIAL difference
@@Thesketchupessentials Me too, I opened a model that was super choppy when orbiting and i multiplied that whole model 10x in 2024 and it was definitely usable.
I also noticed huge speed improvements. My 85mb model in su20 reduced to 24mb. Now to see if 24 is stable enough to switch over for good
Let's say I have a desktop 2024 Lic version and next year I don't want to upgrade, can I still use my current 2024 version without upgrading to 2025?
simple answer: NO
@@StefanoVerugi Thank you, so I have to keep my 2017 and save the project under that version.
In SketchUp for iPad I can’t use SketchUp 2024
As a sk 2020 user, I still see no significant progress in sk development to mive to a yearly paid subscription. Plugin developers are the guys who actually develop and push the sk envelope. In my view Trimble and its subsidiary companies actively stifle sk development to promote Revit etc. Next move is blender !
Newest practice with saving only in SKP 2024 format is bad. After this step growing of product will be stopped to asymptotic stagnation...
...that's not what they said. They said it's a version less format that works back to version 2021 (2022 officially)
I'm here to roast Trimble again (not you, Justin, your videos are as always helpful and informative!).
It's ridiculous if there's any problem with maintaining compatibility with older versions for such a simple format as SKP. And again, I'm gonna compare it to Blender, which is free, very complex, develops rapidly and maintains its models' backward compatilibity. Even though they introduce "breaking updates" every couple of versions, you can still open newer Blends in older Blenders and most data won't be lost.
Thank you so muchhh.... It works🎉🎉
Can you import a SketchUp file into blender 4.1?
Should be able to - there at least used to be a Blender Add-On that did this pretty well
Use collada format for that, it's native in both programs
Thanks Justin, super helpful as usual!
Happy to help!
I kind of figured when i downloaded from 3d warehouse , it doesn't show version options like before
We use this in education but the way sketchup checks the license it uses Bing. The problem here is that in the Uk Bing is blocked by a firewall ( in educational establishments that is) because it has unsafe search previews.. Sketchup use to use google.....why change to Bing? . There is a fix on windows versions to open the private preferenceJson and add 'the necessary google re-direct edit- on a certain line. This can work on windows and mac however it is now not possible on mac 2024 version. For us to use it in education we have to apply the fix to every student's windows account. Students using their own laptops under school wifi= it wont work- ie accessing the license check wont work( one can apply the same fix on a mac but not in the 2024 version) It is so frustrating. Why cant sketchup produce an educational version and a professional version it cant be much to change a simple redirect in the code since it can be done manually on the private preference json file. some one mentioned that it was changed from google to bing because google is blocked in China.....go figure
Oof - that is a bummer - it does seem like the back end on some of this stuff could use a little improvement
Also lumion extension is not working
Extensions typically take a little while to get updated for a new version of SketchUp, which is why I usually recommend you keep a copy of the previous version installed for a while just in case you need something
@@Thesketchupessentials Speaking of which, can you make a short video showing how to migrate your plugins and settings whenever there's a new version?
If this means what I think it means, then they'd better be taking a less "locked in" approach to their utterly tragic UX. The broken editing/resizing experience, for example, must get refactored. By deprecating unsupported versions for backwards comparability, it should signal that SketchUp will no longer be beholden to outmoded poorly realized design metaphors.
I'm not sure what this would have to do with the UI - I would assume this more has to do with the data shown in the 3D space than the overlays around it
This could be solved by making the current desktop version free for non-commercial use and restricting the size of the model allowed or the addition of a watermark on all output or some other restriction but still allowed access to the full package including extensions that are vital to the majority of SketchUp users. I've seen this sort of non-commercial restriction in other software and it would negate the need for Trimble to support any but the most recent 2 offerings going forward. Thoughts?
I am totally fed up with all of these tricks to make you subscribe. I would definitely consider buying a new version, as I did with 2019, but to give the 300€ to do WAY less than what the developers of plugins do for a fraction of the money is just not a good deal. Sketchup improves mostly through plugin debelopers (look a Fredo for example, he alone did more than Trimble these years, at least for me)
A lot of these plugins are subscription based too… and not very cheap.
Cherchinnng! .... That's what's important to Trimble. We are just cash cows.
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU SOOO MUCH
And... wow sk just added AMBIENT OCCLUSION... lol... what a joke... bought sketchFX extension years ago ... AND IT DOES MORE ! Another example of how plugin developers push sk ... not trimble!
What they should so is a pay as you go subscription, they have it for Apple, why not windows, makes no sense, I've being using Sketchup since 2014 and as much as I use it, I dont use it every week, or every month, They would have more people signing up to it, if it was a monthly pay as you go
As a beginner Sketchup is hands down the most UN user friendly package I’ve used in 40 years of computer use
Curious - what other programs have you found that are more user friendly from a 3D modeling standpoint?
I am semi active user of sketchup
keep listening
Tja that is when an industry decides to stick with a monopoly.
It would have been easy to fund the development of some of the tools sketch up is really good and and improve the workflow in Blender as an example.
Hey at least 2024 sketchUp finally has a new graphic engine to make it faster as it so far was the worst app to work with dense models.
What monopoly do you think SketchUp has? Blender is an interesting example I suppose - I like Blender, but it's also very fragmented. They do roll out a lot of tools in every release, but Blender is also a different kind of modeling program, targeting sculpting, VFX, procedural modeling, rendering, etc. They haven't actually updated the base modeling functions outside of sculpting significantly in many releases now, and ironically those functions were actually tools that sort of mirrored what SketchUp does, but not as well. Nothing against Blender at all, but it's a LITTLE apples and oranges in my opinion. You can't really say "look, they changed the compositor, while SketchUp did nothing," as SketchUp doesn't HAVE a compositor, nor should it...
@@Thesketchupessentials The point monopoly is the fact that basically every interior design position more or less demands SketchUp. And honestly, it is their own (user) fault. SketchUp modeling abilities is inferior the moment you want to make something different than a box and you know to make SketchUp usable you need to use by now commercial extensions that give it common tools such as fillet etc. You know that pretty well by yourself.
2024 finally they improved the graphics engine and added ambient occlusion.
Better modeling tools would have been more welcome.
A different way to explain the problem with SketchUp is the Layout too.
At first, it looks great but then it falls flat fast.
SketchUp as a package is just not worth they money they charge you per year. If it were cheaper my opinion would be different.
True compared to Blender SketchUp is faster to pick up and do some basic work and I truly understand that.
Thats why I put the blame one the users in the industry who are simply lazy.
With a little more effort they could learn drastically more powerful tools and don't waste funding on it each year.
Hence the point of a missed opportunity to fund the development of a SketchUp like drafting workflow for Blender.
Honestly, i dont like anything on the new version, location is subcription based, the new graphics engine and old graphics engine is slower as my current 2021 version at 16x analizing, feels like youre working with a bit of lag. They should look at blender how fast stuff really can work. Anyways, thanks sketchup, but i will stick to my old version =)
Are you sure your 2024 version is actually set to use the new engine? Because I would be surprised if this was the case (that 2024 is slower than 2021)
@@Thesketchupessentials hi there. Yeah i have a 3070 gpu. Tried it with a 250mb file. I had both sketchups open, and with the new one also had everything set to max graphics, new engine and even chose my 3070 gpu. It works fine but not so nippy as my old version. I recon it may be exactly the same if i revert to old engine but it also feel like with a slight drag as you move about. Im not sure how to explain this, but feel like its a higher framerate but slower feedback to what get on screen. I know its early days, in time they will improve on this engine and its a good step in this direction but feel it need some work =)
@@silvershadow7932try uninstall 2021 version, I also had that problem with 2023 version that was much faster than 2024 version, but after I uninstall 2023 version, the new render engine really is much better, I left a comment about that problem on Justin video about the Sketchup2024 release
Oh boy do I ever feel like ranting about Trimble. I work in Tekla every day and they are sucking the color out of the universe. Thanks for the vid.
Hi great to solve problem
They going the autodesk route , fk hate thst . I actually already switching to blender
Hope it can do what you need - for some uses it's absolutely awesome. For others, it's a struggle
Thx
No problem!
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This video saved my life kkkkk thanks
nice
They are not providing any real updates. It's the same program for years. And they are making it difficult for people. Another option will appear soon, and they will end up bankrupt.
Based on the 2024 version this just isn't accurate. There was a significant rewrite of the graphical engine to improve the performance issues that people have complained about for a while - that is definitely a "real update"
At least it's better than revit 😅
It's definitely a lot more fun :)
I'm missing materials and styles after installing 2024.
No clue why this would be - I'd reach out to SketchUp support or leave a forum post
And that, guys, is why torrents exists.