Ind, even this song played with lower key from the original one and the highest note in this song is Bb4 (Tu sei la meta) (Insiemme). Maybe to maintain his unstable voices
Cura used to be a good looking, good tenor. Poor technique will do this to a man I suppose... it's very sad. Ever since Voigt got her stomach stapled she has lost a certain lustre in a her voice, I really hope it comes back.
Voigt never regained the immensely large, round, and resonant sound that she had prior to the surgery. I heard her live several times before the surgery and twice post surgery. The voice became harder [more brass than gold] and was less resonant after the surgery. She then allowed herself to be pushed too soon into the Met Ring Cycle which really she should not have ever sung. She did not have a Brunnhilde voice.
as I said, "most roles really." I am speaking of opera in general, although verismo and dramatic spinto roles are suffering even more since there seems to be a disproportionately large number of lyric/leggiero voices in circulation today.
This is quite bad, particularly Cura. I came here after listening to Tucker/Corelli and Tebaldi. Wow what a difference :P Anyone who doesn't realize the quality of opera singing has gone down is ignorant intentionally or unintentionally
I don't use just them as a measurement. They are just a part of an overall problem, although even worse than usual, particularly Cura. Just a symptom of a systemic problem. :-| I don't want to be mean, but it's a fact that the quality of singing has in a general way, taken a nosedive over the past few decades especially
I don't think it's hard to qualify at all in this case, although your point about dogmatic terminology is well taken. Just listen to Corelli, Tucker, Del Monaco, even lighter tenors like Bergonzi.... and so forth singing this role 30, 40, 50 years ago (most roles really) and then listen to this or ANYONE "prominent" singing Chenier today and compare. Just one opera, one small example. I'd even take Domingo over this guy.
I remember, over 35 years ago, aged 18, singing in the chorus of an amateur production of Aida and the tenor singing Radames sounded like Cura does here-ie unsteady, lacking any vocal security that would enable a singer to call themselves a musician. In fact the tenor in our production had a better sense of line. I have noted on utube that Cura has performed much better in some things. But I find this truly depressing and wouldn't want to pay top price for this in an international opera house. I don't think he has ever leant to sing with the technical discipline that that requires. It all feels very contrived to me.
I don't think you can use Cura and Voigt just after her gastric bypass as a measurement of the overall quality of today's opera singing. Well I mean obviously you can, but its unjust. Cura never learned a proper technique..and Voigt was still trying to get ahold of hers again after her drastic weight-loss measures.
Sad that Voigt--who has such a lush and magisterial voice early in her career--sounds so weak and insecure. There's also nothing remotely Italianate about her sound; you can overcome that in certain roles, but I don't think Maddalena is one of them. Cura...well, the less said, the better.
I think complaints were more in regards to stylistic changes in the past than a result of poor technique. Sloppy, strained, ugly singing like Cura here is another matter altogether. And there is growing evidence of widespread amplification as well. I don't want to argue though ;P but there is such a large recorded legacy I don't see how anyone who does a bit of research can think that the quality of singers in general today is even close to times past. There are *some* good singers of course.
Terrible. He must be having an off night, he is totally off pitch, below pitch, poor phrasing, you name it. She tries bravely buth this role is wrong for her. The production looks stupid. The ending of ANDREA CHENIER must be hair-raising, an overwhelming musical and theatrical experience, with the lovers going to the guillotine and love vanquishing the darkest of fates. This staging is unispiring.
Pocas veces me pasa esto, pero José Cura cantó pésimo, no me gustó sinceramente, esta aria requiere de mayor intensidad vocal y el sonó más que mediocre.
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Cura still sounds like an old car trying to start in the dead of winter!
***** Best description of Cura's singing I have ever read.
Andrea Shitnier
Are they even singing the some note at 4:27?
It's so sweet to see how she's actually quite enamored of him. She seems nervous like a little girl when she's close to him.
Excelentes ambos cantantes!!!!!
Voigt seems to have chemistry with all her leading men. She sounds great here.
Cura sounds old and wobbly .Can sustain any high note particulalry the last B "Inssieme"
Ind, even this song played with lower key from the original one and the highest note in this song is Bb4 (Tu sei la meta) (Insiemme). Maybe to maintain his unstable voices
Cura used to be a good looking, good tenor. Poor technique will do this to a man I suppose... it's very sad. Ever since Voigt got her stomach stapled she has lost a certain lustre in a her voice, I really hope it comes back.
Voigt never regained the immensely large, round, and resonant sound that she had prior to the surgery. I heard her live several times before the surgery and twice post surgery. The voice became harder [more brass than gold] and was less resonant after the surgery. She then allowed herself to be pushed too soon into the Met Ring Cycle which really she should not have ever sung. She did not have a Brunnhilde voice.
What the hell is he doing in an opera house? I understand that there is a lack of good tenors but........
as I said, "most roles really." I am speaking of opera in general, although verismo and dramatic spinto roles are suffering even more since there seems to be a disproportionately large number of lyric/leggiero voices in circulation today.
I hope he doen't beam down himself to condutor's podium as Domingo have done.
Chenier, or even Verismo opera is hardly a large enough sample for such a study.
This is quite bad, particularly Cura. I came here after listening to Tucker/Corelli and Tebaldi. Wow what a difference :P Anyone who doesn't realize the quality of opera singing has gone down is ignorant intentionally or unintentionally
Shite!
*dramatic *and* spinto roles.
I don't use just them as a measurement. They are just a part of an overall problem, although even worse than usual, particularly Cura. Just a symptom of a systemic problem. :-| I don't want to be mean, but it's a fact that the quality of singing has in a general way, taken a nosedive over the past few decades especially
I don't think it's hard to qualify at all in this case, although your point about dogmatic terminology is well taken.
Just listen to Corelli, Tucker, Del Monaco, even lighter tenors like Bergonzi.... and so forth singing this role 30, 40, 50 years ago (most roles really) and then listen to this or ANYONE "prominent" singing Chenier today and compare. Just one opera, one small example. I'd even take Domingo over this guy.
The people who are running opera companies right now are ruining the art form. I'm afraid it may never recover. I hope I'm wrong.
Gesù mio! Questo tenore è peggio di quanto credessi... uno strazio. peccato aveva anche una bella voce. non sa usarla. un saluto
I remember, over 35 years ago, aged 18, singing in the chorus of an amateur production of Aida and the tenor singing Radames sounded like Cura does here-ie unsteady, lacking any vocal security that would enable a singer to call themselves a musician. In fact the tenor in our production had a better sense of line. I have noted on utube that Cura has performed much better in some things. But I find this truly depressing and wouldn't want to pay top price for this in an international opera house. I don't think he has ever leant to sing with the technical discipline that that requires. It all feels very contrived to me.
Wow, that is embarrassing. Why doesn't he retire?
I don't think you can use Cura and Voigt just after her gastric bypass as a measurement of the overall quality of today's opera singing. Well I mean obviously you can, but its unjust. Cura never learned a proper technique..and Voigt was still trying to get ahold of hers again after her drastic weight-loss measures.
Cura rovina ogni pagina di musica che canta. Per fortuna questa musica meravigliosa gli sopravviverà.
WTF? Nooooooo!!!
Jose Cura - please retire from opera. This is pitiful. What are you doing? You are insane singing like this.
Sad that Voigt--who has such a lush and magisterial voice early in her career--sounds so weak and insecure. There's also nothing remotely Italianate about her sound; you can overcome that in certain roles, but I don't think Maddalena is one of them. Cura...well, the less said, the better.
Voigt sounds very good, but Cura sadly doesn't sound all that good in any of these Andrea Chenier arias...
En realidad, ambos suenan viejos y acabados, con una diccion medio cuestionable.
I think complaints were more in regards to stylistic changes in the past than a result of poor technique. Sloppy, strained, ugly singing like Cura here is another matter altogether. And there is growing evidence of widespread amplification as well. I don't want to argue though ;P but there is such a large recorded legacy I don't see how anyone who does a bit of research can think that the quality of singers in general today is even close to times past. There are *some* good singers of course.
Terrible. He must be having an off night, he is totally off pitch, below pitch, poor phrasing, you name it. She tries bravely buth this role is wrong for her. The production looks stupid. The ending of ANDREA CHENIER must be hair-raising, an overwhelming musical and theatrical experience, with the lovers going to the guillotine and love vanquishing the darkest of fates. This staging is unispiring.
Curá parecía un ancianito 😂.
Pocas veces me pasa esto, pero José Cura cantó pésimo, no me gustó sinceramente, esta aria requiere de mayor intensidad vocal y el sonó más que mediocre.
Dreadful both!
using the phrase "its a fact" is hard to qualify. You can find similar statements through out the history of opera.