ok we get it, you're all so "noooormal"...the smug chuckling every time they broach a topic that could possibly incur peoples rights given to them by the consitution. Each of these "men" are imo useless.
"someone enjoying themselves shouldn't make me upset" that is probably the most Zen and enlightened statement anyone has made on Highside/Lowside. I think Revzilla and Donut Media need to put that on some t-shirts or something, get that thought into some peoples heads. Roll on fellas, Roll on!
I think the term 'lane splitting' needs to be split. Splitting at high speeds is really stupid. Splitting at slow speeds near stopped or slow moving traffic is another thing altogether.
Splitting on the HWY is considerably safer than at slower speeds. (EDIT) Both riding and lane splitting on the HWY are statically safer than on city streets according to the California DMV, the one US state where lane splitting is legal. The data is available for all to review.
They do have different terms. Lane filtering is when traffic is stopped and bikes can work there way forward. Mostly on surface roads with traffic lights.
In Germany we have tiered licenses. It start at 16 yo. At that age you are allowed to get the A1 licence for up to 125cc bikes. At 18 you can get the A2 licence that limits the max. weight and power to 48 Horses. But your are allowed to "detune" a bike if possible. So you can ride a ninja 650 at 18. But only with these 48 Horses. 20 is the youngst that you can ride any bike that exist. At that age you can finally get the A License. This is the fastest way. If you start with the A2 license you have to drive two years bevor you can get the A License (open licence). Only if you are above 25 yo you can directly get the A licence.
I'm irish but when I moved to Canada i was shocked that a kid who just passed their knowledge test and hasn't even done a road test can go out and buy an H2 or a Hayabusa or something with no restrictions. And people wonder why we have motorcyclists die every sunny weekend in Vancouver on roads like the sea-to-sky highway.
New Zealand and Australia have a midway solution, you have pass a basic handling skills test and theory test to get a learners licence. While on the learners and restricted licences you are limited to a 660cc bike which must meet power to weight restrictions. Once you have your full licence you can have any bike. There are age restrictions and you must have ridden for 12 months between restricted test and full licence test.
There are or have been some USA states that have or had tiered licenses. To the best of my knowledge all the states based what you could ride on the displacement of the motorcycle. They didn't consider power, weight, or power/weight ratio. When the USA state of Washington did this decades ago there was no time restrictions for going to a higher displacement motorcycle. The test for the highest tier was exactly the same as the test for the lowest tier. The tier of license/endorsement you were given was based on the displacement of the motorcycle you rode for the test. It wasn't a good system because of the flaws listed above.
Met a guy some years ago and he asked me about a first bike for his son. I asked him what his son had said and he said "He wants something called a CBR600RR", my response was "Do you love your son? Because if you do you do NOT want him on that as his first bike." He was thinking 600cc is a small bike until I told him that stock it was considerably faster in a quarter mile than his Porsche turbo. I suspect I ruined that kids plans. I think the first bike sort of determines a lot of what kind of rider someone will be.
Well said 👍 That’s what I tell potential buyers when ask me what is a good starter bike. I often suggest a 300 or perhaps 400. Granted my first sports bike was a 600 but at that point I was mature enough to respect what it can do.
Ruined his plans but probably saved his life in retrospect. a smaller bike for a couple of years with practice removes most if not all nerves and doubt when moving up.
My first bike was a 600F4i, I think it comes down to the person and having healthy respect for what you are riding, knowing your skills (or lack of) and realizing how oblivious cage drivers are.
@@Quartzhawk878 Can you imagine a world where all the cagers were required to ride bikes for 4 years before they could get a car license? It would be SO much better for us :)
You're right about the first bike. There are two kinds of people: those who look for reasonable advice to follow in a new activity they don't have experience in yet, and those who know better. I got a used Ninja 250 as my first bike. I'm still riding 18 years later.
I live in Colorado and the registration for my motos are about twice what my wife’s jeep is yet my motorcycles do nothing to the roads. It’s discrimination imo
I mean, that’s just Commierado. Grew up in that shit hole and don’t ever plan on going back. Certain politics has turned Denver into a zombie wasteland…
Depends on how they originally set it up. In Arkansas for example motos are like $7/yr and cars are $25/yr, but electric vehicles are $100/yr. They upped the EV registration to try and recoup some of the gas tax lost... but for motorcycles it's less i'm assuming because they do negligible road damage
I lived in SE Asia for a lot of years and lane splitting is just the start. Shoulders, sidewalks, into oncoming traffic. Ride wherever you can. It was law of the jungle.
I'm definitely trying to get where I'm going faster. Most people are too stupid and slow to wait for, and it's safer not to stay static in traffic. Life is too short to ride slow. Traffic laws, like any law, are just made-up BS and no one has any authority over anyone. Be as happy as you can be in life as long as you're not hurting anyone else.
@@volkoff6357 that’s the dumbest load of crap I’ve heard in a long time. Traffic laws aren’t just BS. They save lives. Traffic related deaths dropped drastically the year speed limits were introduced. Around 5% of people don’t wear seatbelts in cars but around half of deaths from car accidents are people who weren’t wearing them. They’ve saved around 400,000 lives. And no one has authority over you? I bet you thought you sounded really cool and macho when you said that. Tell that to the police if you ever commit a crime and they try to arrest you and see how that goes. You sound like you’re one of the stupid ones. The organ donors that make the rest of us look bad. I actually have people who would miss me so I’ll keep riding safe. Riding slow is more fun than not riding at all.
"Outside of California lane splitting is technically not legal". You are forgetting Europe, Asia, Africa, where it's legal almost everywhere. It's mostly only illegal in the US for some reason.
@@ByteRide_40496Wasn’t sure either: it is legal if the traffic is completely stationary. So no lane splitting if cars are moving(even very slowly) or on the Autobahn. I always thought it wasn’t legal but tolerated, so I always felt bad doing it😂
@@seanrobbins7125 I'm a donor, although at my age, I doubt there's much worth salvaging, but the issue of legal death, so that they can harvest our organs is a bit of can of worms. It doesn't bother me, but I can understand how it can make people squeamish. But I wear a helmet, so I don't have to worry 😉.
Probably answered my own question with this but to do the 650+ test all I gotta do is schedule a test at the DMV and pass that to ride something larger? Here in Utah and about ready to move up (R7 or Harley inbound soon. Little KTM did its job)
Lane splitting has been legal here in Victoria Australia for a number of years now (2-3 years before the pandemic) and people still get grumpy over it. We also have a learners system thats based on power to weight ratios which I genuinely believe works very well (still annoys certain people though) And as for helmets I will die on this hill, it should be law. I find it insane that its not. Merely my opinions.
The problem with lane splitting law change is it got intoduced about 10-20 years too late, with the current elevated and insane levels of road rage on our streets... people get triggered screaming at you for breaking the law, not knowing the law changed... then you risk triggering an nutter who wants to actually attack you by getting out of their car, or hitting you with said car. Remember drivers/riders don't retest their road knowledge after they get their license... an average 30 year old is 12 years out of date in the law, a 50 year old is 32 years out of date.
He nailed the helmet thing! If you choose not to wear a helmet, and you are in an accident that is no fault or your fault, you or your family GET NOTHING from insurance, unless you pay a reasonable premium. Society does not need to susidize your stupidity. Freedom to increase consequences should be a force feedback system.
FWIW Michigan's helmet law says that you can ride without a helmet BUT you must carry an additional $40,000 in medical insurance for you and every individual who will be riding pillion without a helmet. I imagine this is widely ignored but the medical insurance that you have can rightfully treat this as a $40,000 deductible, and your motorcycle insurance could decide not to pay out for damages because you were riding without legally required insurance.
@@John_RidleySo the insurance doesn't have to pay and we do. That is not a better solution. As you know hospitals cannot turn down patients who need treatment. The 🇺🇸 citizens are still paying for it. Gear laws should just be mandatory. Can you think of a better solution? If people just put on full gear we would not even need a law.
@@grandprixjames If they're going to allow riding without a helmet, requiring extra insurance seems like a good compromise. Personally I ride with all the gear including an air bag.
@@John_Ridley Not only widely ignored, but that health insurance is only payable if the person survives to get treatment. Chronic and lifelong injuries that would normally occur to say a spinal, limb or lower body injury from an accident from being hurled off a bike at high velocity, are irrelevant if the person head is caved in on impact with the side of a SUV cause there was no helmet to lower risk of fatality.
@@boxhead6177 Well, this is the US. You can get up to $20,000 pretty easily just having an ambulance show up and take you to the ER, even if you get declared dead on arrival.
Personally I am for lane filtering but against lane splitting. Lane filtering is fairly safe as you are dealing with mostly stopped cars. I cannot count the number of times as a driver when living in California that I had some jackass on a sport bike go blasting by between lanes doing 25-50+MPH over traffic speeds (and often well over the speed limit). You always had to watch for those types when trying to change lanes or exit the highway, unless you wanted them to forcefully introduce themselves into your passenger seat. The reality was many of those motorcycles were breaking the laws on lane splitting
Helmet laws 100%. Mostly to normalize it. Young kids are easily influenced. If some older guy in their life doesn’t wear a helmet they won’t. It’s not about making the old dudes wear helmets. It’s about making it normal for the next generation who’s looking up to know what to do
There should be a clarification on lane splitting vs filtering. It’s one thing to filter through lanes while cars are at a stop/sub 10 mph speed, but lane splitting on the highway at highway speeds is really stress inducing for all drivers around you. I consider myself to be pretty vigilant on the road but I still get surprised by a small bike buzzing my ride side and im just glad I wasn’t trying to merge.
US fumbled the bag on lanesplitting. In Belgium we can lanesplit in slowed down traffic or stopped traffic. But we can only go 20kph faster so we can slow down or brake in time if someone crosses over
"lane splitting" and "Filtering" are defined as different things here in the UK. "Filtering" - that is moving through stationary or very slow moving traffic is legal, and encouraged for safety. "Lane Spliiting" is moving between traffic at normal traffic speeds and is not legal, and considered dangerous. Am I right to think that the definition of "lane splitting" that you're using in this video is more-or-less what we refer to as filtering? Tiered licensing here also, and has been for many years - it mostly works well, but the period of waiting for young riders to get from 125cc to the chance to get a license for the "up to 47bhp" class is too long at 2 years, and then another 2 years for the unrestricted license.
There's not actually a distinction in the law in the UK, there's no speed at which filtering becomes splitting. If I remember right 44teeth done a video on it with the law firm White Dalton. It's really just a distinction between filtering and dangerous driving/driving with undue care
@@RyanJamesODonnell here in Belgium the laws for lane splitting are very clear. It is allowed but the speed difference between you and the cars can't be greater than 20km/h and the maximum allowed speed is 50km/h, both of which I find very sensible laws
Lane Splitting is a big thing in Sao Paulo / Brazil and it's the a big issue for traffic. The main issue is the number of bikes, where it makes it nearly impossible for cars to switch lanes
Lane filtering through stopped traffic should be legal everywhere. Lane splitting at speed is dangerous and should be illegal. Not just because it’s dangerous for the rider but for other traffic as well. If cars are stopped there’s very little risk to anyone.
There are only two reasons why other states make lane splitting/filtering illegal: 1) Safety - They see the a**hole on RUclips doing 60+ mph faster than the cars in traffic. The problem with that is that scenario is extremely rare, almost non-existent. 2) Car drivers feelings - People are selfish. They want to have it better than the next person and without compromising. They want to have all of these luxuries like A/C, a roof, roll cage, music, etc. but don't want to sacrifice all of that to get around traffic faster. If they're stuck in traffic, that's their problem. When it comes to tolls, the heavier the vehicle, the more they should be charged. The reason why, the heavier the vehicle, the more they destroy the road. When it comes to parking, the smaller the vehicle, the cheaper the parking. The reason for this one, they're just smaller and lighter. Bigger and heavier vehicles take up more space and cause a lot more damage. Go to an industrial area and you're going to see a good chunk of these places with absolutely destroyed parking lots.
I live in Arizona and ride a KTM Super Duke GT. Although there is no helmet law out here, I still choose to wear one. I am ok with leaving that decision up to the individual. I wish we the lane splitting laws were the same as California. But for now, the current lane splitting laws out here are a good start. Sound systems on cruisers/baggers don't bother me either. Not everyone listens to their music with the volume cranked to the max. Parking prices don't bother me, especially when there aren't designated parking spots for motorcycles. I enjoy being able to ride my motorcycle in the HOV/Carpooling lane. Being able to do so drastically reduces my commute time. I understand the concept of tiered motorcycle licenses, but I don't agree with them. Respect your motorcycle and ride within your skill level.
Texas actually sort of has a tiered license system, in that at 15 you can get a motorcycle license that allows you to ride up to a 250cc motorcycle. Then at 16 you have no restrictions.
Also keep in mind buying fast bikes isn’t only bad for younger guys, also inexperienced riders. I grew up on dirt bikes. I’m a relatively new rider with maybe 15-20k miles under my belt. I’m still careful on 450’s and liter bikes. It terrifies me when I hear about guys that have been riding a ninja 250 for 6 months talking about 1 liters.
I think with all the traffic in los angeles, more people should ride. Plus, it does have its advantages like free parking at airports, lane splitting is the best,if my gps says 1 hr, which in los angeles thats a distance of like 20 miles it takes me 40 min.
My general philosophy on life that generally extends into politics is that you should be free to do whatever you want. So long as it isn't hurting anyone else. Everyone should be equally able to live and enjoy the best lives that they can and nobody should be able to get in the way or disrupt anyone from living theirs.
Tiered licensing is probably a good idea, but agreed it would never be able to exist in the US. It's difficult enough to get anything done at the DMV, adding more steps and somehow actually enforcing them just doesn't seem attainable.
I lane split congestion in San Antonio, Texas everyday, and other drivers don't care. I also spend no attention trying to see how people react. By the way, Minnesota just passed the most similar to California lane splitting law and now their governor is running as vice president with Harris. Good things happen when you're not afraid of change.
When it comes to speakers on motorcycles... What came first, the loud exhaust or the loud stereo? Reminds me of the old joke regarding the car having a bad muffler so I got louder speakers..
Lane splitting/filtering is becoming more legal and the norm. Filtering was just made legal in Colorado. Unless you’re doing it recklessly, it’s probably the safer, and even safest way to ride a bike.
This is exactly the argument I use for helmets No NPR on motorcycles at 11 love it! Free parking no tolls love it If you think lane splitting is dangerous then don’t do it…
Lane splitting at high speed on freeways is insane. Lane splitting at stoplights or in slow moving traffic is cool. Just don’t go way faster than the traffic you’re passing. They could decide to change lanes.
Great segment this! I guess as a lane-splitting Californian, my immersion in the nanny state has made me a little biased towards requiring helmet laws, introducing tiered licensing mainly for the reason that it only removes unwise choices from a segment of the population that hasn't always shown a great track record for wise decisions (teenage boys, free-spirited adrenaline junkie men) and medical bill costs are often borne by society... However - I rate the chances that tiered licensing might become law eventually in the U.S. higher than Jeremiah seems to, because I think it will basically be "good for business". Riders that decide motorcycling is for them (which will be more because ultimately it's more *fun* to learn on a slower bike) will all be looking to upgrade at least once within a year to a few years of getting a license. Having said all of that, while I wholeheartedly support lane filtering (going to the front of a line of non-moving cars), I think lane splitting should have better enforcement on some actual clear regulations. For example: - no lane splitting if the flow of traffic is over 50 MPH (my "personal" rule is closer to 35 MPH TBH) - do not exceed 15 mph speed difference between your speed and the flow of traffic - you must lane split in the left-most lane, to the right of cars in that lane This is roughly the "rules" I try to impose upon myself when I lane-split...
I agree with tiered licensing being a good thing, but I understand that it’s a lot different in the United States. We have long, open roads here, unlike in Europe. Commuting every day on a 125 at 39 years old would be atrocious, if there is any amount of interstate riding involved, but commuting everyday on my liter bike is fantastic. I think it would be difficult to implement, based solely on the type of roads we have here.
In Europe lanesplitting is legal only in certain conditions. When traffic is below a certain speed or at a standstill you are allowed to lanesplit only X amount of kph faster than traffic while your 4 indicators are on. On the highway it is only allowed between the far left and second from left lane. I feel that on the level of motorcycle safety Freedom land could find some inspiration over here.
I live in the USA, and I lane split everyday exactly like it is permitted in Europe. Between the far left lane and the second from the left lane. And only when traffic starts to back up. It's no big deal... Everyday people on motorcycle speed. Drive drunk. Run stop signs and red lights. Yet, so many are scared to ride between rows of traffic during a traffic jam. I have no clue why???
Lane filtering is safe when done correctly. Lane splitting “can” be safe, but so many motorcyclists are irresponsible and car drivers are crazy that I think it would lead to more accidents and hurt the overall cause. Filtering should be legal. Nothing more scary than getting hit in the back by someone texting while driving.
Lane splitting should 100% be legal everywhere, if done responsibly. Unfortunately some people will ruin it for everyone. If your air cooled you should be doing it anyways. Either that or give a 2 wheel lane on highways. Here in France and most of Europe 4 wheel vehicles will actually move over to give a wide birth to motorcycles that lane split. I've seen municipal and national cops as well. It's a safety issue.
basically the best way to say it is, if the choice affects me alone, then its my choice to make alone. seat belt, helmet. if the choice affects others, then the choice is not mine alone to make.
Lane filtering and lane splitting need to be distinguished legally. Getting to the front of traffic at a stop light prevents the rider from being rear ended by inattentive drivers and reduces traffic. Splitting, which is when traffic is moving, is just dangerous and serves no objective purpose.
Let me tell how we do it here in Greece and most of Europe. Firstly about helmets you have to wear it Lane splitting is illegal while cars are on the move. That means you lane split on red lights and stop signs. You are actually supposed to sit between the lanes when stopped at a red light to avoid cars crushing on to you. In my opinion this is the best options. Now I do lane split occasionally but it's a risk and like Jeremiah said people are stupid and not always make the best choices so leaving it up to them can't be a law
With Lane Splitting, speed is a big issue. Bikers going way to fast for the flow of traffic at times. Would have liked to see some distinction there. I dont mind a split at a light, or a split in slow congested traffic. But when people are already goin 70-80mph on the freeway, and some splits at 100mph, and when its congested and people are goin 10-20, and someone tries to fly by at 50, thats just recklace.
Where I live (Belgium) the law on splitting is very clear, it is allowed but the speed difference can't be more than 20km/h (12mph) and there's a maximum allowed speed of 50km/h (31mph). Honestly I find that very reasonable and the moment traffic gets any kind of speed I just get back in a lane anyway
Splitting can be dangerous. Lane filtering makes you safer on your bike. Difference is the overall speed of the traffic. If its a stopped line of traffic or overall flow
Japan has tiered motorcycle licensing. They also have bi-annual automobile safety inspections. I’ve lived there and I’m still not sure about the societal benefits of these systems, but I do know they have spawned nationwide industries that provide training for passing the licensing tests and pre-inspection inspections and repairs, in addition to the additional national burden of staffing for those tests and inspections. It sure won’t happen in the U.S.
Leave it to a guy from Chelsea to listen to Terry Gross while riding a bike!🤣 You guys need to come back to the 802 for an on two wheels…. On two skis! Great work buddy!
If not for lane splitting I wouldn't ride my MC's nearly as often, just buy a convertible (which I did) When riding in states that I cannot and sit there like a dummy waiting to get hit has no joy.
I’m 100% for helmet and seatbelt laws, but agree to the caveat that if you ride without one, insurance shouldn’t cover your medical bills, and emergency services shouldn’t be trying to scrape you off the road still alive. Just pull up, throw you in a trash truck, and move on. I shouldn’t have to pay more for insurance, because someone wasn’t smart enough to put a helmet on, and I shouldn’t have to worry about an ambulance taking twice as long to get to me or my family, because someone decided to be an idiot, and ride without a helmet. Funny how we have the same view on it, but came to a completely opposite solution. 😂
I live in ohio and in general the lanes are narrower than some other places, so Im more for lane filtering and not lane splitting. It would really be odd for me to try to squeeze between cars and especially semis with only a couple inches to spare. One gust of wind and I could be smooshed.
Part of the helmet issue are family impacts from “life changing” injuries such as paraplegia or brain damage . Very few of us are sovreign individuals .
I've been working in the field of Accident Reconstruction (auto accidents), I have been a rider for 10+ years. In my personal opinion, lane splitting is super dangerous.
Well, that's like, your opinion man. My ex wife got rear ended TWICE on her motorcycle while we were married, I have been hit zero times. Last I heard she hasn't been hit since she started splitting (though she has since given up riding for health reasons). Given that her last motorcycle alone had 100,000 miles on it, I doubt you can match our combined 50 years of experience.
@@JoshuaTootell I've worked about 500 motorcycle accidents in my career. In my field, I am what's called an "Expert Witness." That means, I understand how crashes work. You think the Government allows you to lane split because they care about your safety? Quite the opposite my friend.
We have tier licensing in Canada ...we also just regulated electric scooter on bike lane in Montreal , Ok that a lot but we need to regulate for safety .......
They have so many commuters in Bangkok that they want to encourage people to drive smaller, lighter vehicles that damage the roads less and occupy less space so that a string of 50 drivers blocks fewer intersections. All motorcycles and mopeds filter to the front of the line at red lights. There's a "bike box" at the front of every red light with clusters of bikers crammed shoulder to shoulder. It sounds nuts, but that city would be five times harder to get around in if everybody drove a car.
4:35 Similar issue with bicycles. You'll hear people cry about bicycles now paying their fair share, when EVERY cyclist I know has a car too. They are paying registration and insurance on a parked car when they are riding. For the record, I'm paying about $1000 a year for my vehicle registration. 9:42 You have to get an endorsement to fly a plane with over 200 HP after earning your private pilot license, but you don't need an endorsement for a 200 HP motorcycle.
To be fair, planes are far bigger and cause a lot more damage than a bike. Although a 200hp ultralight sounds fun as hell. Still you don’t need an endorsement up to and including 200 hp, so why would you for a motorcycle up to and including 200 hp? And what about cars? Hellcats came from factory with 707 hp, no special license or permission to use that piece of private property, and its 4400 pounds and capable of reaching 203 mph, 15 mph faster than a bmw s1000rr.
When I'm in dreadfully slow, stop and go traffic and someone in a car gives me attitude for lane splitting, I'm shaking my head, like, yeah, I'm the problem. The tiny 2 wheeled Honda is contributing zero to this commuting traffic jam nightmare. Maybe the solution is you should get an even bigger F150.
If you lane split in Las Vegas cars will try and hit you. They get so mad. Even though it's 110 degrees, and they are all sitting in there a/c cars. And traffic is getting insane out here
Hell yeah I didn't think about I could see Jeremiah in my bike content now. I like how MI does it. You can ride without a helmet but then you're required to have a certain level of insurance to prevent the consequences of your decision from becoming a public burden. If you grow up really riding a lot of power sports, you'll have already had your life saved by a helmet so many times by the time your an adult you'll feel naked without it
I mean the main argument for lane splitting, lane filtering, and motorcycle awareness is safety right? How can the motorcyclist community expect politicians to push for such laws mandating this change for car drivers, when bikers won’t even advocate for the mandatory use of the most important and basic piece of safety equipment that bikers can use? Cars make up 95 percent of vehicles on the road. In a democracy, bikers are never going to have filtering/splitting legalized if they fail show the public that they are committed to maximizing safety for the whole community.
Definetly going to wrong direction helmet laws are being repealed and a vast majority of states still don’t allow lane filtering. Very few law makers care about motorcyclist.
Having survived an 85MPH collision when I was 17, if not for the basic lap-belt in that 1984 car, I would have been launched through the windshield. I will NEVER ride without proper PPE! Helmet, armored jacket, long pants, and reinforced boots. At the least! It makes me upset when riders don't take their own mortality into account. *edit* The accident was in SoCal, where I grew up. On the 405/710 intersection. (Was born in Inglewood BTW 😂)
2+2=5 "You're right" Not gonna wear a helmet "You're right" Not putting my 2 year old in an effing car seat. "You're right" Help me pay for my injuries. "Nope"
0:30 straight up first topic, funny to me how this is a "controversy" in the US... You wear a helmet when you ride a bike, period.... There is no ifs and buts, there is no excuses, there is no controversy.
I like tiered license the way the some European countries do it. The way Washington state did it decades ago wasn't good. In some USA states it is or was been done based on engine displacement. The problem with that is there are small displacement performance motorcycles (250NINJA, KTM 390, other) that out perform motorcycles with twice the displacement (650 Savage, Boulevard S40, other). The European countries factor in power. Also when Washington state had a tiered license it was simply based on what you showed up to the test on. The test for the upper tiers was not more difficult. It should be more difficult. BTW, in most USA states you don't need a license to buy or own a vehicle of any type including motorcycle. You only need the license or endorsement to legal operate the vehicle on the roads.
My general rule is that if you’re not hurting anyone, then you should be able to do broadly what you want to do. Except Jerry is right and people are stupid and need to be protected from themselves.
With cars, pricing and insurance generally keeps teenagers away from insanely fast cars. With bikes, even the most basic 600cc bikes are enough to keep up with supercars and they're dirt cheap. Tiered licences are needed to keep teenagers from wrapping a 600cc sport bike round a tree. I don't think my country (UK) gets many things right, but I do think our bike laws make the most sense. Helmets are the only piece of safety equipment that's mandatory, filtering is legal as long as it's in stationary or slow moving traffic and we have a sensibly tiered licence system in place. I do think the CBT (Compulsory Basic Training) is a bit lacking though. Half a day's worth of training is not enough to just let someone loose on the roads, even if it is only on a 125cc. If they've not had any road experience before, it just seems nuts to let them ride unsupervised.
In Oklahoma where I live, if you’re under the age of 18 you’re not allowed to ride anything over 250cc. Me personally I got my license at 27 and my first bike was a used monster 796, admittedly not what I had planned, but it’s what I could afford and was available in the layout I wanted. Not exactly spoiled for choice when it comes to v-twin naked bikes around 600 cc (I know I’m closer to 800 but shhh)
Safety laws should apply to manufacturers and corporations not private individuals seat belts should be mandatory in cars but people should not be forced to wear seat belts the same thing with safety on motorcycles
My issue with traffic laws is how each state varies. If my state says I don't need a helmet then other states should honor it. Thats just not the case for some reason, let's look at it from a different view some states require vehicle inspections shouldn't the vehicle without an inspection sticker get a ticket? The idea of a helmet law is "safety"... well so are the vehicle inspections. Me not wearing a helmet will hurt me and me only, but a vehicle with bad tires that obviously wouldn't pass a state inspection potentially could hurt anyone around that vehicle going down the interstate if the tire(s) were to give out. This applies to a lot things from state to state. Obviously each state has its right to govern their people but that's where it should stop, TN shouldn't be telling KY residents how to live their lives if KY says what they are doing is legal.
Idk about other countries but currently in Indonesia the police no longer "stays on the road" as they recently put on speed traps or violation cameras (whatever you call it) all over the place but that results in messier road conditions as more annoying people stay on the road like smokers, thieves not having license plates, stolen bikes without said license plates and whatnot. This has been really annoying here.
I think you should wear a helmet, but it shouldn't be a law. Eye protection should be if no helmet as that can affect other people. Government is there to protect us from foreign threats and each other. Anything further than that is overreach.
Don't wear a helmet and risk a TBI or death. Wear a helmet and risk a broken neck or death. The federal government should stay out of it and they shouldn't blackmail the states with "highway money" like they do with seat belt and DUI laws. If the people in your state choose to not require helmets, great. That doesn't mean you shouldn't wear one if you want to. If your state requires helmets and you're against them, you have the ability to petition your government or move to a more friendly state. God bless America.
I always want the freedoms for me and the safety for others. Lol. But really if i didn’t have to worry about other drivers killing me. I would be all for splitting lanes and no helmets. But the truth is i just cant trust anyone else to not hit me. Some people shouldn’t have 200hp motorcycles. And some people shouldn’t be allowed to drive 3000+ pound sledgehammers. Hard to regulate.
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ok we get it, you're all so "noooormal"...the smug chuckling every time they broach a topic that could possibly incur peoples rights given to them by the consitution. Each of these "men" are imo useless.
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"someone enjoying themselves shouldn't make me upset" that is probably the most Zen and enlightened statement anyone has made on Highside/Lowside. I think Revzilla and Donut Media need to put that on some t-shirts or something, get that thought into some peoples heads. Roll on fellas, Roll on!
Except it’s not donut anymore
BigTime*
I think the term 'lane splitting' needs to be split. Splitting at high speeds is really stupid. Splitting at slow speeds near stopped or slow moving traffic is another thing altogether.
Splitting on the HWY is considerably safer than at slower speeds. (EDIT) Both riding and lane splitting on the HWY are statically safer than on city streets according to the California DMV, the one US state where lane splitting is legal. The data is available for all to review.
@@thepassionofthegoose5472 lane splitting rules do not enable speeds in excess of the limit.
They do have different terms. Lane filtering is when traffic is stopped and bikes can work there way forward. Mostly on surface roads with traffic lights.
@@thepassionofthegoose5472 No, it isn't. When Jeremiah is talking about how people are stupid, he's talking about you.
Exactly, lane filtering is OK. Lane splitting while traffic is already moving is a stupid thing to do for everyone, including yourself.
In Germany we have tiered licenses.
It start at 16 yo. At that age you are allowed to get the A1 licence for up to 125cc bikes.
At 18 you can get the A2 licence that limits the max. weight and power to 48 Horses. But your are allowed to "detune" a bike if possible. So you can ride a ninja 650 at 18. But only with these 48 Horses.
20 is the youngst that you can ride any bike that exist. At that age you can finally get the A License.
This is the fastest way. If you start with the A2 license you have to drive two years bevor you can get the A License (open licence).
Only if you are above 25 yo you can directly get the A licence.
Same in Bulgaria. I think this is the norm in Europe
UK is similar but even more strict.
I'm irish but when I moved to Canada i was shocked that a kid who just passed their knowledge test and hasn't even done a road test can go out and buy an H2 or a Hayabusa or something with no restrictions. And people wonder why we have motorcyclists die every sunny weekend in Vancouver on roads like the sea-to-sky highway.
New Zealand and Australia have a midway solution, you have pass a basic handling skills test and theory test to get a learners licence. While on the learners and restricted licences you are limited to a 660cc bike which must meet power to weight restrictions. Once you have your full licence you can have any bike. There are age restrictions and you must have ridden for 12 months between restricted test and full licence test.
There are or have been some USA states that have or had tiered licenses. To the best of my knowledge all the states based what you could ride on the displacement of the motorcycle. They didn't consider power, weight, or power/weight ratio.
When the USA state of Washington did this decades ago there was no time restrictions for going to a higher displacement motorcycle. The test for the highest tier was exactly the same as the test for the lowest tier. The tier of license/endorsement you were given was based on the displacement of the motorcycle you rode for the test.
It wasn't a good system because of the flaws listed above.
Met a guy some years ago and he asked me about a first bike for his son. I asked him what his son had said and he said "He wants something called a CBR600RR", my response was "Do you love your son? Because if you do you do NOT want him on that as his first bike." He was thinking 600cc is a small bike until I told him that stock it was considerably faster in a quarter mile than his Porsche turbo. I suspect I ruined that kids plans.
I think the first bike sort of determines a lot of what kind of rider someone will be.
Well said 👍 That’s what I tell potential buyers when ask me what is a good starter bike. I often suggest a 300 or perhaps 400. Granted my first sports bike was a 600 but at that point I was mature enough to respect what it can do.
Ruined his plans but probably saved his life in retrospect. a smaller bike for a couple of years with practice removes most if not all nerves and doubt when moving up.
My first bike was a 600F4i, I think it comes down to the person and having healthy respect for what you are riding, knowing your skills (or lack of) and realizing how oblivious cage drivers are.
@@Quartzhawk878 Can you imagine a world where all the cagers were required to ride bikes for 4 years before they could get a car license? It would be SO much better for us :)
You're right about the first bike. There are two kinds of people: those who look for reasonable advice to follow in a new activity they don't have experience in yet, and those who know better. I got a used Ninja 250 as my first bike. I'm still riding 18 years later.
I live in Colorado and the registration for my motos are about twice what my wife’s jeep is yet my motorcycles do nothing to the roads. It’s discrimination imo
I mean, that’s just Commierado. Grew up in that shit hole and don’t ever plan on going back. Certain politics has turned Denver into a zombie wasteland…
@@Cj-xl3jv That's funny im from Texas, everywhere is a shit hole these days:) That's just America run by a duopoly sponsored by the same corporations.
Depends on how they originally set it up. In Arkansas for example motos are like $7/yr and cars are $25/yr, but electric vehicles are $100/yr. They upped the EV registration to try and recoup some of the gas tax lost... but for motorcycles it's less i'm assuming because they do negligible road damage
@@Cj-xl3jv when you hate certain types of people but are too scared to say who because you don't have a spine
@@RamonathoI have a spine boo boo, just don’t want to get RUclips shadow banned
You guys should totally have him on again now that hes doing BigTime
I lived in SE Asia for a lot of years and lane splitting is just the start. Shoulders, sidewalks, into oncoming traffic. Ride wherever you can. It was law of the jungle.
Lane splitting isn’t about getting places faster. When done properly it keeps the rider safer.
I'm definitely trying to get where I'm going faster. Most people are too stupid and slow to wait for, and it's safer not to stay static in traffic. Life is too short to ride slow. Traffic laws, like any law, are just made-up BS and no one has any authority over anyone. Be as happy as you can be in life as long as you're not hurting anyone else.
@@volkoff6357 that’s the dumbest load of crap I’ve heard in a long time. Traffic laws aren’t just BS. They save lives. Traffic related deaths dropped drastically the year speed limits were introduced. Around 5% of people don’t wear seatbelts in cars but around half of deaths from car accidents are people who weren’t wearing them. They’ve saved around 400,000 lives. And no one has authority over you? I bet you thought you sounded really cool and macho when you said that. Tell that to the police if you ever commit a crime and they try to arrest you and see how that goes. You sound like you’re one of the stupid ones. The organ donors that make the rest of us look bad. I actually have people who would miss me so I’ll keep riding safe. Riding slow is more fun than not riding at all.
You guys have the best crossover episodes!
"Outside of California lane splitting is technically not legal". You are forgetting Europe, Asia, Africa, where it's legal almost everywhere. It's mostly only illegal in the US for some reason.
I‘m from germany and I’m still not sure if lane splitting is legal here
@@ByteRide_40496Wasn’t sure either: it is legal if the traffic is completely stationary. So no lane splitting if cars are moving(even very slowly) or on the Autobahn.
I always thought it wasn’t legal but tolerated, so I always felt bad doing it😂
Opt out ok but must sign donor card solving two problems at once
Why not be a donor in general? Can't use it when you're dead. I wear gear and am still a donor.
@@Dr_Skot some people think that the doctors won't help you as hard if you are a donor
@@seanrobbins7125 I'm a donor, although at my age, I doubt there's much worth salvaging, but the issue of legal death, so that they can harvest our organs is a bit of can of worms. It doesn't bother me, but I can understand how it can make people squeamish. But I wear a helmet, so I don't have to worry 😉.
I d get speakers for my bike but apparently they re not allowed to play anything after 1975 …
Jeremiah is awesome and I love that you invited him.
Helmet laws don't just protect you, they protect your kids from the unnecessary loss of a father or mother.
When you have children then probably you will done everything tó protect them and yourself I think! And just wear a helmet or plug the seatbelt on!
I also don’t want my kid to see your brains on the road. She doesn’t need that trauma. Helmets work.
Utah has a 650 cc limit for the basic license. A skill test on a 650 or greater bike is needed to get the large bike endorsement.
That seems a bit silly since I'd assume you could get a crazy fast 600 under that rule.
It's more for people taking MSF on a grom and then jumping on a 900lb bagger.
@John_Ridley but they can't reasonably specify a power to weight ratio which would be more helpful, but those big bikes would maybe go under.
I got my moto license in Utah.... If you want the easiest possible way to get certified, test there.
Probably answered my own question with this but to do the 650+ test all I gotta do is schedule a test at the DMV and pass that to ride something larger? Here in Utah and about ready to move up (R7 or Harley inbound soon. Little KTM did its job)
Lane splitting has been legal here in Victoria Australia for a number of years now (2-3 years before the pandemic) and people still get grumpy over it.
We also have a learners system thats based on power to weight ratios which I genuinely believe works very well (still annoys certain people though)
And as for helmets I will die on this hill, it should be law. I find it insane that its not.
Merely my opinions.
The problem with lane splitting law change is it got intoduced about 10-20 years too late, with the current elevated and insane levels of road rage on our streets... people get triggered screaming at you for breaking the law, not knowing the law changed... then you risk triggering an nutter who wants to actually attack you by getting out of their car, or hitting you with said car.
Remember drivers/riders don't retest their road knowledge after they get their license... an average 30 year old is 12 years out of date in the law, a 50 year old is 32 years out of date.
Some people have already died on the no-helmet-law hill
He nailed the helmet thing! If you choose not to wear a helmet, and you are in an accident that is no fault or your fault, you or your family GET NOTHING from insurance, unless you pay a reasonable premium. Society does not need to susidize your stupidity. Freedom to increase consequences should be a force feedback system.
FWIW Michigan's helmet law says that you can ride without a helmet BUT you must carry an additional $40,000 in medical insurance for you and every individual who will be riding pillion without a helmet. I imagine this is widely ignored but the medical insurance that you have can rightfully treat this as a $40,000 deductible, and your motorcycle insurance could decide not to pay out for damages because you were riding without legally required insurance.
@@John_RidleySo the insurance doesn't have to pay and we do. That is not a better solution. As you know hospitals cannot turn down patients who need treatment. The 🇺🇸 citizens are still paying for it. Gear laws should just be mandatory. Can you think of a better solution? If people just put on full gear we would not even need a law.
@@grandprixjames If they're going to allow riding without a helmet, requiring extra insurance seems like a good compromise. Personally I ride with all the gear including an air bag.
@@John_Ridley Not only widely ignored, but that health insurance is only payable if the person survives to get treatment.
Chronic and lifelong injuries that would normally occur to say a spinal, limb or lower body injury from an accident from being hurled off a bike at high velocity, are irrelevant if the person head is caved in on impact with the side of a SUV cause there was no helmet to lower risk of fatality.
@@boxhead6177 Well, this is the US. You can get up to $20,000 pretty easily just having an ambulance show up and take you to the ER, even if you get declared dead on arrival.
Personally I am for lane filtering but against lane splitting. Lane filtering is fairly safe as you are dealing with mostly stopped cars. I cannot count the number of times as a driver when living in California that I had some jackass on a sport bike go blasting by between lanes doing 25-50+MPH over traffic speeds (and often well over the speed limit). You always had to watch for those types when trying to change lanes or exit the highway, unless you wanted them to forcefully introduce themselves into your passenger seat. The reality was many of those motorcycles were breaking the laws on lane splitting
So you’re not against lane splitting. You’re against breaking the law and reckless driving.
Helmet laws 100%. Mostly to normalize it. Young kids are easily influenced. If some older guy in their life doesn’t wear a helmet they won’t. It’s not about making the old dudes wear helmets. It’s about making it normal for the next generation who’s looking up to know what to do
There should be a clarification on lane splitting vs filtering. It’s one thing to filter through lanes while cars are at a stop/sub 10 mph speed, but lane splitting on the highway at highway speeds is really stress inducing for all drivers around you. I consider myself to be pretty vigilant on the road but I still get surprised by a small bike buzzing my ride side and im just glad I wasn’t trying to merge.
US fumbled the bag on lanesplitting. In Belgium we can lanesplit in slowed down traffic or stopped traffic. But we can only go 20kph faster so we can slow down or brake in time if someone crosses over
"lane splitting" and "Filtering" are defined as different things here in the UK. "Filtering" - that is moving through stationary or very slow moving traffic is legal, and encouraged for safety. "Lane Spliiting" is moving between traffic at normal traffic speeds and is not legal, and considered dangerous.
Am I right to think that the definition of "lane splitting" that you're using in this video is more-or-less what we refer to as filtering?
Tiered licensing here also, and has been for many years - it mostly works well, but the period of waiting for young riders to get from 125cc to the chance to get a license for the "up to 47bhp" class is too long at 2 years, and then another 2 years for the unrestricted license.
There's not actually a distinction in the law in the UK, there's no speed at which filtering becomes splitting. If I remember right 44teeth done a video on it with the law firm White Dalton. It's really just a distinction between filtering and dangerous driving/driving with undue care
@@RyanJamesODonnell here in Belgium the laws for lane splitting are very clear. It is allowed but the speed difference between you and the cars can't be greater than 20km/h and the maximum allowed speed is 50km/h, both of which I find very sensible laws
Jeremiah is a real one
Lane Splitting is a big thing in Sao Paulo / Brazil and it's the a big issue for traffic. The main issue is the number of bikes, where it makes it nearly impossible for cars to switch lanes
When I got my license in WA they had tiered license based on what size bike you take your test on. < 250. 250-500.. > 500
Lane filtering through stopped traffic should be legal everywhere. Lane splitting at speed is dangerous and should be illegal. Not just because it’s dangerous for the rider but for other traffic as well. If cars are stopped there’s very little risk to anyone.
There are only two reasons why other states make lane splitting/filtering illegal:
1) Safety - They see the a**hole on RUclips doing 60+ mph faster than the cars in traffic. The problem with that is that scenario is extremely rare, almost non-existent.
2) Car drivers feelings - People are selfish. They want to have it better than the next person and without compromising. They want to have all of these luxuries like A/C, a roof, roll cage, music, etc. but don't want to sacrifice all of that to get around traffic faster. If they're stuck in traffic, that's their problem.
When it comes to tolls, the heavier the vehicle, the more they should be charged. The reason why, the heavier the vehicle, the more they destroy the road.
When it comes to parking, the smaller the vehicle, the cheaper the parking. The reason for this one, they're just smaller and lighter. Bigger and heavier vehicles take up more space and cause a lot more damage. Go to an industrial area and you're going to see a good chunk of these places with absolutely destroyed parking lots.
I live in Arizona and ride a KTM Super Duke GT. Although there is no helmet law out here, I still choose to wear one. I am ok with leaving that decision up to the individual. I wish we the lane splitting laws were the same as California. But for now, the current lane splitting laws out here are a good start. Sound systems on cruisers/baggers don't bother me either. Not everyone listens to their music with the volume cranked to the max. Parking prices don't bother me, especially when there aren't designated parking spots for motorcycles. I enjoy being able to ride my motorcycle in the HOV/Carpooling lane. Being able to do so drastically reduces my commute time. I understand the concept of tiered motorcycle licenses, but I don't agree with them. Respect your motorcycle and ride within your skill level.
Respect
Texas actually sort of has a tiered license system, in that at 15 you can get a motorcycle license that allows you to ride up to a 250cc motorcycle. Then at 16 you have no restrictions.
Also keep in mind buying fast bikes isn’t only bad for younger guys, also inexperienced riders. I grew up on dirt bikes. I’m a relatively new rider with maybe 15-20k miles under my belt. I’m still careful on 450’s and liter bikes. It terrifies me when I hear about guys that have been riding a ninja 250 for 6 months talking about 1 liters.
I think with all the traffic in los angeles, more people should ride. Plus, it does have its advantages like free parking at airports, lane splitting is the best,if my gps says 1 hr, which in los angeles thats a distance of like 20 miles it takes me 40 min.
Lane filtering just became legal here in Colorado today, it’s pretty awesome can’t lie
Enjoy years of being yelled at by car drivers who don't know the law changed.
My general philosophy on life that generally extends into politics is that you should be free to do whatever you want. So long as it isn't hurting anyone else. Everyone should be equally able to live and enjoy the best lives that they can and nobody should be able to get in the way or disrupt anyone from living theirs.
Tiered licensing is probably a good idea, but agreed it would never be able to exist in the US. It's difficult enough to get anything done at the DMV, adding more steps and somehow actually enforcing them just doesn't seem attainable.
I lane split congestion in San Antonio, Texas everyday, and other drivers don't care. I also spend no attention trying to see how people react. By the way, Minnesota just passed the most similar to California lane splitting law and now their governor is running as vice president with Harris. Good things happen when you're not afraid of change.
When it comes to speakers on motorcycles... What came first, the loud exhaust or the loud stereo? Reminds me of the old joke regarding the car having a bad muffler so I got louder speakers..
Lane splitting/filtering is becoming more legal and the norm. Filtering was just made legal in Colorado. Unless you’re doing it recklessly, it’s probably the safer, and even safest way to ride a bike.
This is exactly the argument I use for helmets
No NPR on motorcycles at 11 love it!
Free parking no tolls love it
If you think lane splitting is dangerous then don’t do it…
Lane splitting at high speed on freeways is insane. Lane splitting at stoplights or in slow moving traffic is cool. Just don’t go way faster than the traffic you’re passing. They could decide to change lanes.
Great segment this! I guess as a lane-splitting Californian, my immersion in the nanny state has made me a little biased towards requiring helmet laws, introducing tiered licensing mainly for the reason that it only removes unwise choices from a segment of the population that hasn't always shown a great track record for wise decisions (teenage boys, free-spirited adrenaline junkie men) and medical bill costs are often borne by society... However - I rate the chances that tiered licensing might become law eventually in the U.S. higher than Jeremiah seems to, because I think it will basically be "good for business". Riders that decide motorcycling is for them (which will be more because ultimately it's more *fun* to learn on a slower bike) will all be looking to upgrade at least once within a year to a few years of getting a license.
Having said all of that, while I wholeheartedly support lane filtering (going to the front of a line of non-moving cars), I think lane splitting should have better enforcement on some actual clear regulations.
For example:
- no lane splitting if the flow of traffic is over 50 MPH (my "personal" rule is closer to 35 MPH TBH)
- do not exceed 15 mph speed difference between your speed and the flow of traffic
- you must lane split in the left-most lane, to the right of cars in that lane
This is roughly the "rules" I try to impose upon myself when I lane-split...
I agree with tiered licensing being a good thing, but I understand that it’s a lot different in the United States. We have long, open roads here, unlike in Europe. Commuting every day on a 125 at 39 years old would be atrocious, if there is any amount of interstate riding involved, but commuting everyday on my liter bike is fantastic. I think it would be difficult to implement, based solely on the type of roads we have here.
In Europe lanesplitting is legal only in certain conditions.
When traffic is below a certain speed or at a standstill you are allowed to lanesplit only X amount of kph faster than traffic while your 4 indicators are on.
On the highway it is only allowed between the far left and second from left lane.
I feel that on the level of motorcycle safety Freedom land could find some inspiration over here.
Pretty sure all lane splitting laws are similar - it's never legal to split at high speed or between high speed traffic.
I live in the USA, and I lane split everyday exactly like it is permitted in Europe. Between the far left lane and the second from the left lane. And only when traffic starts to back up. It's no big deal... Everyday people on motorcycle speed. Drive drunk. Run stop signs and red lights. Yet, so many are scared to ride between rows of traffic during a traffic jam. I have no clue why???
Lane filtering is safe when done correctly. Lane splitting “can” be safe, but so many motorcyclists are irresponsible and car drivers are crazy that I think it would lead to more accidents and hurt the overall cause. Filtering should be legal. Nothing more scary than getting hit in the back by someone texting while driving.
Big time!
Harley Davison going woke is biggest motorcycle controversy right now. Huge protests at Sturgis, its getting crazy.
Lane splitting should 100% be legal everywhere, if done responsibly. Unfortunately some people will ruin it for everyone. If your air cooled you should be doing it anyways. Either that or give a 2 wheel lane on highways.
Here in France and most of Europe 4 wheel vehicles will actually move over to give a wide birth to motorcycles that lane split. I've seen municipal and national cops as well. It's a safety issue.
basically the best way to say it is, if the choice affects me alone, then its my choice to make alone. seat belt, helmet. if the choice affects others, then the choice is not mine alone to make.
Lane filtering and lane splitting need to be distinguished legally. Getting to the front of traffic at a stop light prevents the rider from being rear ended by inattentive drivers and reduces traffic. Splitting, which is when traffic is moving, is just dangerous and serves no objective purpose.
Let me tell how we do it here in Greece and most of Europe.
Firstly about helmets you have to wear it
Lane splitting is illegal while cars are on the move. That means you lane split on red lights and stop signs. You are actually supposed to sit between the lanes when stopped at a red light to avoid cars crushing on to you. In my opinion this is the best options. Now I do lane split occasionally but it's a risk and like Jeremiah said people are stupid and not always make the best choices so leaving it up to them can't be a law
With Lane Splitting, speed is a big issue. Bikers going way to fast for the flow of traffic at times. Would have liked to see some distinction there. I dont mind a split at a light, or a split in slow congested traffic. But when people are already goin 70-80mph on the freeway, and some splits at 100mph, and when its congested and people are goin 10-20, and someone tries to fly by at 50, thats just recklace.
Where I live (Belgium) the law on splitting is very clear, it is allowed but the speed difference can't be more than 20km/h (12mph) and there's a maximum allowed speed of 50km/h (31mph). Honestly I find that very reasonable and the moment traffic gets any kind of speed I just get back in a lane anyway
It’s about time they got Kirk Fagan on the podcast
Splitting can be dangerous. Lane filtering makes you safer on your bike. Difference is the overall speed of the traffic. If its a stopped line of traffic or overall flow
Lane Splitting needs to be a NATIONAL LAW
Japan has tiered motorcycle licensing. They also have bi-annual automobile safety inspections. I’ve lived there and I’m still not sure about the societal benefits of these systems, but I do know they have spawned nationwide industries that provide training for passing the licensing tests and pre-inspection inspections and repairs, in addition to the additional national burden of staffing for those tests and inspections. It sure won’t happen in the U.S.
Leave it to a guy from Chelsea to listen to Terry Gross while riding a bike!🤣
You guys need to come back to the 802 for an on two wheels…. On two skis!
Great work buddy!
If not for lane splitting I wouldn't ride my MC's nearly as often, just buy a convertible (which I did) When riding in states that I cannot and sit there like a dummy waiting to get hit has no joy.
Back in the day OREGON had a tier motorcycle endorsement. One for 500cc or less then another for 500cc+, this was before fuel injected bikes.
How old is this episode if Jerry is talking about that very old donut video?
Best not to listen to music, much less do phone calls, while riding a motorcycle. You need to stay focused 110%. The only acceptable thing is GPS
Jeremiah is the king!
I'm anti-helmet and anti-seatbelt laws... And I'm totally okay with insurance not covering any damage caused while not wearing either.
I’m 100% for helmet and seatbelt laws, but agree to the caveat that if you ride without one, insurance shouldn’t cover your medical bills, and emergency services shouldn’t be trying to scrape you off the road still alive. Just pull up, throw you in a trash truck, and move on. I shouldn’t have to pay more for insurance, because someone wasn’t smart enough to put a helmet on, and I shouldn’t have to worry about an ambulance taking twice as long to get to me or my family, because someone decided to be an idiot, and ride without a helmet. Funny how we have the same view on it, but came to a completely opposite solution. 😂
Lots of tricky subjects here. I mostly prefer the freedom of people to make bad choices, even if I’m calling them idiots in my head.
Speaking of tolls, i had to play full price going over the Mackinac bridge.
I live in ohio and in general the lanes are narrower than some other places, so Im more for lane filtering and not lane splitting. It would really be odd for me to try to squeeze between cars and especially semis with only a couple inches to spare. One gust of wind and I could be smooshed.
Part of the helmet issue are family impacts from “life changing” injuries such as paraplegia or brain damage . Very few of us are sovreign individuals .
I've been working in the field of Accident Reconstruction (auto accidents), I have been a rider for 10+ years. In my personal opinion, lane splitting is super dangerous.
Well, that's like, your opinion man.
My ex wife got rear ended TWICE on her motorcycle while we were married, I have been hit zero times. Last I heard she hasn't been hit since she started splitting (though she has since given up riding for health reasons).
Given that her last motorcycle alone had 100,000 miles on it, I doubt you can match our combined 50 years of experience.
@@JoshuaTootell the dude abides.
@@JoshuaTootell I've worked about 500 motorcycle accidents in my career. In my field, I am what's called an "Expert Witness." That means, I understand how crashes work.
You think the Government allows you to lane split because they care about your safety? Quite the opposite my friend.
We have tier licensing in Canada ...we also just regulated electric scooter on bike lane in Montreal , Ok that a lot but we need to regulate for safety .......
They have so many commuters in Bangkok that they want to encourage people to drive smaller, lighter vehicles that damage the roads less and occupy less space so that a string of 50 drivers blocks fewer intersections. All motorcycles and mopeds filter to the front of the line at red lights. There's a "bike box" at the front of every red light with clusters of bikers crammed shoulder to shoulder. It sounds nuts, but that city would be five times harder to get around in if everybody drove a car.
If lane splitting was NOT legal in Kalifornia, I’d rather be in my SUV sitting in traffic. Staying cool/ entertained though will be polluting tons.
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Similar issue with bicycles. You'll hear people cry about bicycles now paying their fair share, when EVERY cyclist I know has a car too. They are paying registration and insurance on a parked car when they are riding. For the record, I'm paying about $1000 a year for my vehicle registration.
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You have to get an endorsement to fly a plane with over 200 HP after earning your private pilot license, but you don't need an endorsement for a 200 HP motorcycle.
To be fair, planes are far bigger and cause a lot more damage than a bike. Although a 200hp ultralight sounds fun as hell. Still you don’t need an endorsement up to and including 200 hp, so why would you for a motorcycle up to and including 200 hp? And what about cars? Hellcats came from factory with 707 hp, no special license or permission to use that piece of private property, and its 4400 pounds and capable of reaching 203 mph, 15 mph faster than a bmw s1000rr.
When I'm in dreadfully slow, stop and go traffic and someone in a car gives me attitude for lane splitting, I'm shaking my head, like, yeah, I'm the problem. The tiny 2 wheeled Honda is contributing zero to this commuting traffic jam nightmare. Maybe the solution is you should get an even bigger F150.
my dad for sure listens to npr on his bike
If you lane split in Las Vegas cars will try and hit you. They get so mad. Even though it's 110 degrees, and they are all sitting in there a/c cars. And traffic is getting insane out here
Hell yeah I didn't think about I could see Jeremiah in my bike content now.
I like how MI does it. You can ride without a helmet but then you're required to have a certain level of insurance to prevent the consequences of your decision from becoming a public burden.
If you grow up really riding a lot of power sports, you'll have already had your life saved by a helmet so many times by the time your an adult you'll feel naked without it
I listen to the news on my bike... not NPR though
I mean the main argument for lane splitting, lane filtering, and motorcycle awareness is safety right? How can the motorcyclist community expect politicians to push for such laws mandating this change for car drivers, when bikers won’t even advocate for the mandatory use of the most important and basic piece of safety equipment that bikers can use? Cars make up 95 percent of vehicles on the road. In a democracy, bikers are never going to have filtering/splitting legalized if they fail show the public that they are committed to maximizing safety for the whole community.
Inserts comment that hurts Jeremiah's feefees lol. Great show, guys.
I live where we don’t need one but have a top $ helmet that I always wear!
Definetly going to wrong direction helmet laws are being repealed and a vast majority of states still don’t allow lane filtering. Very few law makers care about motorcyclist.
Having survived an 85MPH collision when I was 17, if not for the basic lap-belt in that 1984 car, I would have been launched through the windshield.
I will NEVER ride without proper PPE! Helmet, armored jacket, long pants, and reinforced boots. At the least!
It makes me upset when riders don't take their own mortality into account.
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The accident was in SoCal, where I grew up. On the 405/710 intersection. (Was born in Inglewood BTW 😂)
2+2=5 "You're right" Not gonna wear a helmet "You're right" Not putting my 2 year old in an effing car seat. "You're right" Help me pay for my injuries. "Nope"
0:30 straight up first topic, funny to me how this is a "controversy" in the US... You wear a helmet when you ride a bike, period.... There is no ifs and buts, there is no excuses, there is no controversy.
I like tiered license the way the some European countries do it. The way Washington state did it decades ago wasn't good. In some USA states it is or was been done based on engine displacement. The problem with that is there are small displacement performance motorcycles (250NINJA, KTM 390, other) that out perform motorcycles with twice the displacement (650 Savage, Boulevard S40, other). The European countries factor in power.
Also when Washington state had a tiered license it was simply based on what you showed up to the test on. The test for the upper tiers was not more difficult. It should be more difficult.
BTW, in most USA states you don't need a license to buy or own a vehicle of any type including motorcycle. You only need the license or endorsement to legal operate the vehicle on the roads.
I'm kind of the opposite on which vehicle to take. I take a bike unless I absolutely need to take a car for some reason.
My general rule is that if you’re not hurting anyone, then you should be able to do broadly what you want to do. Except Jerry is right and people are stupid and need to be protected from themselves.
@RevZilla y’all should sponsor the boys at BigTime. I hear they like motorcycles.
With cars, pricing and insurance generally keeps teenagers away from insanely fast cars. With bikes, even the most basic 600cc bikes are enough to keep up with supercars and they're dirt cheap. Tiered licences are needed to keep teenagers from wrapping a 600cc sport bike round a tree.
I don't think my country (UK) gets many things right, but I do think our bike laws make the most sense. Helmets are the only piece of safety equipment that's mandatory, filtering is legal as long as it's in stationary or slow moving traffic and we have a sensibly tiered licence system in place.
I do think the CBT (Compulsory Basic Training) is a bit lacking though. Half a day's worth of training is not enough to just let someone loose on the roads, even if it is only on a 125cc. If they've not had any road experience before, it just seems nuts to let them ride unsupervised.
In Oklahoma where I live, if you’re under the age of 18 you’re not allowed to ride anything over 250cc. Me personally I got my license at 27 and my first bike was a used monster 796, admittedly not what I had planned, but it’s what I could afford and was available in the layout I wanted. Not exactly spoiled for choice when it comes to v-twin naked bikes around 600 cc (I know I’m closer to 800 but shhh)
Safety laws should apply to manufacturers and corporations not private individuals seat belts should be mandatory in cars but people should not be forced to wear seat belts the same thing with safety on motorcycles
My issue with traffic laws is how each state varies. If my state says I don't need a helmet then other states should honor it. Thats just not the case for some reason, let's look at it from a different view some states require vehicle inspections shouldn't the vehicle without an inspection sticker get a ticket? The idea of a helmet law is "safety"... well so are the vehicle inspections. Me not wearing a helmet will hurt me and me only, but a vehicle with bad tires that obviously wouldn't pass a state inspection potentially could hurt anyone around that vehicle going down the interstate if the tire(s) were to give out. This applies to a lot things from state to state. Obviously each state has its right to govern their people but that's where it should stop, TN shouldn't be telling KY residents how to live their lives if KY says what they are doing is legal.
I wear a helmut. I don't feel the need to tell people their business. The insurance will always go up anyway.
Big time is really going big tine
Dang Jerry on RevZilla! Awesome
Charles Darwin and Natural Selection would have a thing or two to talk about helmet and seat belt rules :D
Idk about other countries but currently in Indonesia the police no longer "stays on the road" as they recently put on speed traps or violation cameras (whatever you call it) all over the place but that results in messier road conditions as more annoying people stay on the road like smokers, thieves not having license plates, stolen bikes without said license plates and whatnot. This has been really annoying here.
I think you should wear a helmet, but it shouldn't be a law. Eye protection should be if no helmet as that can affect other people. Government is there to protect us from foreign threats and each other. Anything further than that is overreach.
It’s Big Time!
Don't wear a helmet and risk a TBI or death. Wear a helmet and risk a broken neck or death. The federal government should stay out of it and they shouldn't blackmail the states with "highway money" like they do with seat belt and DUI laws. If the people in your state choose to not require helmets, great. That doesn't mean you shouldn't wear one if you want to. If your state requires helmets and you're against them, you have the ability to petition your government or move to a more friendly state. God bless America.
I always want the freedoms for me and the safety for others. Lol. But really if i didn’t have to worry about other drivers killing me. I would be all for splitting lanes and no helmets. But the truth is i just cant trust anyone else to not hit me. Some people shouldn’t have 200hp motorcycles. And some people shouldn’t be allowed to drive 3000+ pound sledgehammers. Hard to regulate.
Wait so this episode actually came out over a year ago?