Who do you think 92BOB is? While not explicitly said in the video, I'll say here I don't endorse anything blackq did. But his actions are an important part of the story. It is the perfect example of "Don't become a monster when trying to defeat one"
Agreed, even if it is him without definitive prrof blackq and even this video will start a witchhunt for a potentially innocent person. Nadaeo talked to them and said it's fine. That is where this should have all ended.
trying to steal the account was extremely creepy. he knew it wouldn't work too, based on having nothing besides claiming it was his, so he just wanted everyone to see he was trying to do it. very odd behavior
Nah he didn't, that's like highschool type attempts. Game being that old, Im willing to bet there has to be some security exploits that would allow to get a hold of some data related to bobs account. But we will probably never know
@chedisLoL it isn't illegal to dox someone through OSINT, but the moment you go to the length of using links to obtain otherwise NOT public info, you're literally defining phishing. It's a gray area. Either way you won't be punished for it.
@@PumkinVideoslike yeah sure Riolu isn’t a great person and it does seem a little scummy to ban evade but phishing his IP??? And what if Bob is just some dude…
Blackq should absolutely be banned. Using the in game messaging service to phish someone AND impersonating someone directly to Nadeo support. What the fuck?
Yeah, what he did was completely unethical. Like Wirt said, don't become a monster trying to take down a monster. We all know Riolu cheated and has been totally unapologetic about it, but trying to doxx and phish someone is crossing a line. I think Nadeo's statement that they confirmed who it was and that "banned players are free to make a new account," along with all of the playstyle similarities and the timing of the account make it pretty obvious that it's Riolu, but we aren't entitled to know who it is. I do wish Nadeo would've permanently banned him, though. If he refuses to even admit he was cheating, much less apologize, that's not someone who should be allowed to exist in the community.
Will Blackq face any punishment for breaching Nadeo TOS? Sending someone a fake link to doxx them is disgusting. Think Wirtual should have done better than calling his antics "clever and sneaky", pathetic would better fit.
IP addresses only give out a general location like a country and usually very little else information. That link was probably the least bad method he tried. Matching the country to a confirmed cheater was probably the best bet. He might get banned for trying to say he owned the account but probably not.
This video should have been centered around the unhinged lengths the community will go to try and reveal the identity of someone who just wants to be anonymous.
You cannot put the blame on the entire community for the actions of a single individual, that's ridiculuos. In reality, while some members of the community were indeed curious as to who 92BOB actually is, it was only one individual (blackq) who crossed the line in trying to determine the answer to that question. For that matter, the TMUF community was shocked to learn of what blackq did and, as a response, he was rightfully outcasted from the community and all his records were also removed by the TM Exchange moderators, while also receiving a perma-ban. Every single community will eventually have some bad apples, though it is important to make the distinction between the majority good apples of the community and the few bad apples giving it a bad name
Holy crap. At first I thought this video was building around Riolu potentially having a redemption. This went a totally different direction than what I expected, and quite frankly unhinged on your parts.
Right ? I was waiting for the moment where Wirtual says it's actually an impostor... but they don't know ? Wth is that thumbnail ? The man has 1M subscribers and he's flagging a potentially innocent person in his thumbnail.
*14:58** - this part is so unbelievably cringe and self-absorbed.* - "this creates a very haunting picture of him sitting in his apartment spending hours every day trying to reach rank 1 again, perhaps trying to prove something to the community, perhaps just trying to prove something to himself, as a healing project, so that he can finally leave the game behind and move on." ... yeah, OR he just really likes to play a game he has loved for like 15 years and wants to play by himself without being harrassed, doxxed and publicly shamed for years on end
Kinda ignoring the part where he cheated for 10ish years and refused to admit to it. Just about every other cheater came clean, moved on with their lives, and are in a better place. It was his choice to cheat. It was his choice to lie about cheating. Phishing attempts, etc. are of course still wrong and unacceptable. If blackq faces repercussions, good, that's absolutely valid. But don't say riolu is just "some guy who enjoyed the game". And if he's competing at the top of the leaderboard, he's either still cheating, or at best works a job and spends all of his free time on trackmania. Either way, Wirtual's description might not be fair, but it certainly wouldn't be far from the truth.
Honestly, I think this topic is getting a little bit out of hand. Trying to dox someone with a fishy link, reaching out to Nadeo trying to delete someones records from the leaderboard although he played them legitimately goes too far imo. Is it Riolu? We don't know - and I don't really care as long as this person keeps playing legit. If it's him, I hope he found joy in whatever he's doing now. But trying to reveal someones identity who clearly wants to stay anonym is a bad move.
@@reed6514 it sure is interesting. also shows that not all disgusting people in trackmania are cheaters. some people in this bubble need to calm down a lot.
@@riceycakezzYes, at least partially. Especially the bit about _"if_ it is Riolu just imagine him sitting in his basement lonely" is inappropriate. There is no proof that it's him, and that's all that matters. Wirtual did draw a direct connection and attacked him personally based on speculation. Despite him possibly not having anything to do with any of this, which is a no-go. Thinking about it, I don't believe that part adds anything to the story whatsoever and should have been left out even if we knew for sure it was Riolu.
Right?????? All I'm thinking is just what if this is just some person who got back into the game because of the publicity of the cheating scandal and now he's getting his account, personal information, and legitimate records messed with all because people think he's a smurf cheater
Besides which... while it wpuld be ideal and the least dishonorable for a previous cheater to own up and then stay public if they want to try again without cheating, in reality.. as long as the records of all players are being subject to anticheat and the same scrutiny, if one of them wanted to make a new account and put it behind them, i dont think a witch hunt is neccesary. Definitely no doxing. The competition is whats important.
While there may be evidence this person is Riolu, I think blackq went too far. At least in this video, I saw no evidence that 92BOB was cheating in any way, other than suspicion.
@@keyboardwarrior7538How has wirtual done that? He just made a video saying that people think it's Riolu. Nothing in this video incites cyber bullying.
So. the ethical discussion around making another account as Riolu aside. I hope no one condones behavior such as impersonating another player or target phishing them. Its not just unethical but also illegal.
And not a genius like wirtual made it seem like. In the video he's basically endorsing the criminals behavior and then thinks a comment saying I don't endorse it is enough (after he received multiple criticism.) Whyyyyyyyy did he make this video? ¿ He ended up with 0 concrete evidence
@@keyboardwarrior7538Where did he endorse phishing? I watched the video too, and all I saw was a coverage of real events that happened in the TM community. You know it's possible to talk about something without endorsing it, right?
He recently said he was working on another script. Said he got a lot of creativity back during his break and wrote 4,000 words for it. So maybe we'll get a 2nd vid this year
You can’t try to violate an anonymous person’s privacy using a literal phishing attack just because you think they might be a cheater who now plays legit, wtf Edit: guys stop liking the ai-generated comment from the crypto scam account below this 💀 Edit 2: Crypto account’s comment is now gone, W
Maybe admitting someone set up an illegal information privacy violation to try stealing 92BOB’s info isn’t the best thing to announce publicly. Your desire to know who someone is doesn’t supersede their right to anonymity
From what I understand blackq's actions were public knowledge, and he's gotten a lot of backlash prior to this video from people in the community over it, but it was already publicly known blackq did this because blackq posted about it, it's not like it was private info. Wirtual is making a report of what has happened from that point in time, he's well within rights to discuss those events are they did happen. What Wirtual should not have done was call them "clever and sneaky" when talking about creepy, stalker behaviour and possibly ToS breaking actions. While Wirtual didn't participate in the attempt to dox 92BOB he seemed to support or at least be okay with it.
@evoo8214 he literally lied in an email saying it was him and wanted every record deleted. without any definitive proof of who 92bob is. for all we know it could be an innocent guy who's just very talented. and regardless of who he is, since every record is legit, then who cares?
@@derickd6150 Of fucking course this is illegal! Damn. Yes, websites do have the IP address of people. But they have that for the given reason. And they are not allowed to share it to anyone. blackq does not have a legitimate interest and certainly not the consent of the person concerned.
Didn't expect that the worst "bad guy" in this video was going to be someone other than Riolu... kinda surprised Wirtual doesn't outright disapprove of what blackq did in this video.
yea he should really be ashamed of himself for still having this video public. as of writing this, he's currently livestreaming about how he won the speedrunner award _(an award he btw shouldn't have won since he's not a speedrunner)_ while showing pictures from the event. really awkward vibe in the chat, and there're countless of people asking for him to explain himself while he's smiling and laughing...
@@JohnWarosa999 Well I'm watching his stream atm and it doesn't feel awkward to me at all. I think he probably could/should have made a video on this channel about how he doesn't condone it etc, but saying he's worse than blackq is kind of a crazy take in my opinion lol. I still enjoy the rest of his content and everything, just didn't like this video is all ^^.
@@JohnWarosa999Wirt is a speed runner. He has records for beating the game blindfolded and many other variations of TMNF. Not to mention trackmania is purely a time trial game in nature, it would be fair to consider it a “speedrunning game.” It’s a game that involves players attempting to shave time off of records that have been previously set by themselves and/or others, the literal definition of speedrunning. With his morals under the microscope, I feel it is fitting to add my opinion on the topics at hand. The video format is meant to be purely a record of events, and not to share an opinion on the topics at hand. He can choose whether or whether not he can use his right to share his opinion since he is a prominent figure in the scene, and is an active player that was effected by the events. All that being said, he has confirmed that he wasn’t supporting the actions of the said player, noting that, “One should not become a monster trying to stop a monster.” I really hope this community would lay off hyperbolic criticism and opinions that leave little room for discussion, as it is an improper and unfair way of getting your ideas out there. I’m sure Wirt doesn’t want to start a war in the trackmania community over his video, and simply tries to get information out to a wide audience. If he truly wanted to support the actions of the problematic user, he would avoid getting the information out to the public. A large majority of his audience don’t even play trackmania, and even those who do aren’t in the loop with a lot of the information that goes out (that would be me 😊). I understand trying to make sure a prominent figure in the community isn’t trying to support actions of a violent nature, but making negative comments strictly off of perceived character comes off as projection, and straight up framing.
@@falcon1378 that's a fair take. we all have different opinions, and we clearly don't agree, which is okay. I just wrote what my take on the situation was, as did you, and I personally couldn't disagree more.
This is really bizarre ngl. If anything the guy who publicly tried to social engineer and dox some guy using Trackmania because of some stupid witch hunt should be banned.
kinda fucked up what Blackq did. Trying to get an account removed from the leaderboards by impersonating the owner and then trying to doxx them with a phishing link. Huge gray area if not strictly illegal. I'd like to see that guy banned...
*arrested* and the video edited to remove anything about him. He's basically endorsing the act as clever in the video but hidden in the comments says I don't endorse it. Is it a coincidence that comment happened after the other comments? ¿
Blackq probably wasn't even the only one doing this. People like to gang up and start witchhunts. At this point wirtual is basicly endorcing internet bullying while being the main party benefiting from it. No idea why he posted this video.
@@keyboardwarrior7538 Thank god the comments are against BlackQ lmao idk how anyone could hear him do some dumb shit like that and not think that's weird
Everyone is focusing on blackq's actions completely ignoring wirtual's witchhunt video. His channel with 1m subs is way more damaging than blackq trynna dox bob imo
@@jefferson2214 ah yes, consistent cheating until you get caught and have to address the 9501828937179366189761 words of backlash + wirtual's video = witch hunt LOLOL
@@CharmingCactusWhile Wirtual may have covered his ass with the edit to his pinned comment, prior to that, his tone of voice when recounting blackq’s actions could most certainly have been interpreted as tacit and implied encouragement of such behavior. That, in turn, sparked a lot of pushback and criticism from his YT community (no word on what the Trackmania players think, though; I’m not a part of that tribe). Even with the edit to his pinned comment, it could still be reasonably interpreted as him giving a green light or dog whistling for this to happen due to this video still being live and not unlisted for a newer, less endorsing version of blackq’s actions. Thus, in turn, it is reasonable to assume that this video (as it stands now) is part of a potential targeted campaign of harassment and bullying, or at least calling for the support of one.
Have to agree here, regardless of 92BOB is riolu some of the things blackq attempted to do are very borderlining on breaking ToS, and are highly questionable from a moral standpoint.
@@Vindisify you want to punish someone who tried one phishing attack (against a cheater almost for sure) more, tan you would like to punish a person who cheated in a pro scene for years. You are delusional
This one video honestly doesn't really sit that well with me. As long as the account is now playing legitimately - I don't feel like it should really matter who it is, and this really looks more like a witch hunt than anything else.
Exactly this. Riolu's records were all scrubbed and his streaming career ended as a result of the cheating scandal, the dude got his just desserts already. Assuming 92Bob is him (and even if it isn't), then it's really cool that someone achieved that and it has been confirmed as legitimate.
@@midastheunwise2423exactly, and however wrong he was in the way he originally dealt with the whole drama, going and taking first place back anonymously seems almost poetic to me (if this is indeed riolu)… just the way this video is structured gives strange vibes, like wirtual is still salty about the whole drama and wants to get rid of riolu again. We should just give the guy a second chance
the picture he tried to paint of riolu/any random person sitting in a dark room was rather disgusting aswell. Just let the people play games they enjoy, thats what games are for. And yes, I 100% agree that this video is nothing more than a witchhunt that might get others in trouble... not up to the standards of what we are used to from this channel.
I really hope that 92BOB is just a random guy who decided to get good at trackmania one day during the pandemic and is just some kind of prodigy who doesn't like to interact with everyone
I'm so disappointed that the TM community would go to such lengths to try and potentially break the privacy of some person who just wants to play the game. Since when did presuming innocence died?
I think claiming it was the entire community is incorrect. especially the more serious actions, were done by a single player who people don't agree with.
There were some bad actors, but the community as a whole was justified in their discomfort with the situation. The Trackmania community is very close knit and the top players respect each other very much and enjoy getting to have a sense of camaraderie and/or rivalry with others. It’s strange and unsettling to have someone come out of nowhere, set a bunch of records, and refuse to join the community and interact with everyone. Yeah, I could think of many good reasons why someone wouldn’t want to interact with the Trackmania community, but I think it’s reasonable to be upset that someone doesn’t want to interact with others.
Imagine if 92BOB was really just a random dude that's really good at the game. All that BS going on would just make me never want to actually enter the community and reveal who I was. They'd probably just think I was lying because it didn't fit their story.
Exactly, the trackmania community comes off as completely elitist. No one we don't know can be as good as us old guys. And going as far as doxxing and phishing someone online. Imagine its a teenager playing on his older sibling's account and the community of the game he is good at is trying to actively witch hunt him
He posts legit records...why should he be shunned and removed? He showed this game to so many people. I actually got to your channel through him. I don't think he should be punished more but rather encouraged to come back, apologize for his mistakes and continue playing legitimately. With or without an account he is still one of the best.
> this creates a very haunting picture of him sitting in his apartment spending hours every day trying to reach rank 1 again, perhaps trying to prove something to the community, perhaps just trying to prove something to himself, as a healing project, so that he can finally leave the game behind and move on. A haunting image to play the game? Dude. Let him play, what more needs to be taken from him?
Yeah, pretty uncalled for personal attack...I'm guessing Wirtual feels immensely betrayed by Riolu on a personal level, considering it seems like he respected Riolu and viewed him as a friend. I get how having someone like that turn out to be a cheater would suck, especially a cheater who tried to gaslight his way out of the accusations and then expressed zero remorse or contrition for cheating after finally being exposed in a way he couldn't continue to lie his way out of. I get that. But Wirtual needs to let it go, it's long past time to move on here.
@@upliftstv the people who riolu hurt (including wirtual e.g. the cheating and lying, and calling him terrible names on his last livestream) never even have an apology that they can accept, because he never apologised and never admitted. if he doesn't admit and apologise for what he did, no one has to move on imo
It's honestly disgusting to see how hard the TM community tried to infiltrate 92BOB's privacy. Even though it might be Riolu, as long as they aren't cheating, anyone should be allowed to compete, even anonymously, at least from my perspective.
Being able to compete is a privilege, one that should've been revoked for Riolus behaviour, that being said that blacq guy or whatever his name was is a massive creep and definitely crossed a lot of lines
The „haunting picture“ part is f-ing foul. We get it Wirtie, he was disrespectful to you, he lied and made fun of you on stream. He paid by losing his job and his fanbase. You don‘t have to tell us how miserable he has to be on top of that, making up scenarios of him being all alone with this sad situation he supposedly is in.
Wirtual being so laid back talking about people trying to dox a guy just because he wants to stay anonymous is chilling. This is unnacceptable behavior regardless of who is behind that account, and it should be punished by nadeo. And I hope Wirtual can understand how weird his tone while talking about this is, because it's definitly not behaviors that should be encouraged.
@@aureouss2823 lmao if you think that a pinned comment is enough - why not give it the same exposure by explicitly not condoning it in the video itself? To me it just seems like an obvious attempt from Wirtual at damage control; you'll see that the pinned comment is edited as well.
For real. I feel bad even for the cheaters with this insane witch hunting. What makes it truly disturbing is the way it's presented in a documentary-like form. Wirtual really believes himself to be the rightful one here, and that, my friends, is literally HAUNTING.
@@slobodanmedadadonevic5723 Nothing to do but boycott the fuckers. I was subscribed to Wirtual, unsubbed after this video. It may just be a drop in the ocean, but drop after drop eventually adds up to an ocean.
Wirtual. You did great work together with donadigo... - But why dont we just let the past be the past? Riolu wants to play the game? Fine. Let him. Sure, he acted like a little child and he attacked you personally - but i dont think its fair to start a witchhunt here. I am 100% sure riolu learned from his mistakes. It destroyed his career. Rightfully so - but damn. Especially what blackq did... Like... Really?! Thats "clever" (13:23)?
So he's engaging in a hobby/sport where he'd have to dedicate most of his free time to it, playing for a few hours almost every single day, for atleast 3-4 years to be as good as he is, minimum. And he wants no recognition for this? He's just dedicating most of his life for years to playing a game and never once thinks "hey maybe I should briefly connect with the community, you know, say hi, see what they think of my amazing accomplishments in this highly competitive environment". No. It's Riolu. There is a 0% chance it's an offline player. You can't get that good by accident. It requires Trackmania to become the thing you dedicate the most time too in your life. It requires Trackmania to be at minimum your 2nd highest priority out of everything in life, for years. There's no way someone that involved with the game literally never makes a single post anywhere about it and never connects with any other part of the community.
@@CharlesFreck I agree, theres just so many coincidences, it's really likely it's Riolu, the tracks bob plays, his playstyle, the fact Riolu is still seen online in trackmania, and him only appearing after Riolu left. The only mystery is how he got access to an account created in 2008. My guess is that it was a back-up account in case he got banned or something
Holy shit. This is an unselfaware documentary on toxicity in trackmania. Hunting on a player that doesn't want to be in public and go as far as doxxing and inpersonation. Your guys curiosity doesn't give any of you the right to invade the privacy to any player in a random online game. Absolutely crazy that mob mentality.
@@dathaniel9403 I do like Wirtual but cmonn, even you surely dont believe what you just wrote. In the video itself he literally callled what blackq did "smart and sneaky". That's called complimenting it. And the comment is literally edited to it, he didnt condone it it in any way at first, just after he realised he may have crossed the line.
@@Garden_0f_Eden__CA Well, I don't know about you, but if I thought something was unethical/illegal to do, I probably wouldn't go out of my way quite literally complimenting it without even noting that it's something I don't support.
Wirtual: Anybody who cheats will have their account banned but the person themselves won't. Which is kinda stupid if you think about it. Also Wirtual: Admitting your mistakes and changing for the better should always be your goal because people will welcome you back if you do so.
You missed the difference. Because cheating is tied to the account instead of the player, there is no history of cheating that exists, according to the policy. So there is no reason a cheater can’t make a new account and continue to cheat. There is no accountability. That is what’s dumb about the policy. That cheaters can continue WITHOUT changing their ways.
Nadeo's account banning policy makes sense though from their point of view. Banning people and not accounts from playing would mean, for the sake of equity, verifying the identity of every person behind every new account, in addition to all of the existing ones. That would be infeasible from both a technical and legal standpoint.
@@potatosordfighter666 namely...? because most games with an antimod only recognizes how the computer handles the game, and even then they're already invasive as they are running on ring-0 (kernel level, forcefully controlling your physical hardware just to run the game).
@@potatosordfighter666i mean, most other games just block you either based on your Email address (which can be easily avoided for obvious reasons) or based on your ip address, but that would mean, that anyone, who uses the same address (be it for example someone in the same household or a bunch of households behind the same CGNAT address) would also be blocked
@@Wilker_uwu Uhh, ban evasion is a bannable offense in and of itself in the vast majority of multiplayer games, even if it isn't easy to detect. Read the TOS of every other multiplayer game you play.
nice to see the community has learned nothing from the Riolu fallout, and Wirt's personal feelings seem to have caused a weirdly obsessive bias in this case. If it's not Riolu, we're just dredging up the past out of spite. If it is Riolu, as long as he ain't cheating again then I have no problem with the best leaderboard time being just that, the best time.
11:45 Sorry, but I have to disagree with you thinking that this is a absurd policy. I mean, even if it is Riolu playing on the 92BOB Account, why should it matter if the records that are being achieved on that account are legit? And BlackQ is acting like a child by wanting a account removed from the leaderboard simply because he can´t live with the possiblity that a former cheater has gotten legit records. He has practically proven that Nadeo´s cheat detection is working, If anything, the person that is BlackQ is the one that should get banned from the game because this video is clear evidence that he is willing to lie to the developers by claiming to be the original owner of another account that he clearly never did own to get records removed out of spite.
BlackQ is a prick, so I'm not trying to defend them at all - but most competitive games would consider the permaban to be against the person, not the account. That is a valid complaint.
@@Lukeno52 There seems to be no evidence what so ever that 92BOB is cheating, so why would, or should, it matter if someone who previously cheated might be playing on that account?
@@Soonjai I'm not saying 92BOB should be removed - that's not the point I was making. The point I was making is that Nadeo's policy is the opposite one to that used by most competitive games, nothing more than that.
@@Lukeno52 arguing that Nadeo's policy should be the opposite is arguing that it matters that the person is banned in addition to the account. nothing less than that, because that is the policy of said other games you are comparing against..
6:20 In this screenshot it says that 92BOB’s account was geographically set to Hauts-de-Seine, France. It is very common for French people on the Internet to include the number associated with their home department (a French administrative subdivision) in their username, and the number for Hauts-de-Seine is 92. If this is truly Riolu’s alt account, that would mean that he registered it on a whim in 2008 while having knowledge of French internet username conventions, crafted the account information to corroborate the username by setting it to the right department, and dug it up a decade later to make a silent point. I find this theory highly unlikely.
@@MizuTMThank you for your answer. I don’t understand from the video what proves that the current owner of the account is not the original one. I haven’t played TMNF in forever so I don’t remember how the account system works; can just anyone reclaim an inactive account?
@@mx-futhark I made research back when BOB appeard and I found the original owner of the account, a random casual player, then it was transfered to Vince from airven team, so imo no link to riolu
@@mx-futhark Back then in the ladder community people would give each other access to each other's accounts all the time. Whoever is playing on 92bob account now almost certainly isn't the one who originally made it.
doxxing someone with the intention of getting their records removed and then describing it as "sneaky and clever" is so weird man. blackq should be banned from playing this game on any account
@@talosgak1236 "He would only get all his information what bad could it be" Bro are you serious or are you the USA government's president. Either way privacy should be respected and phishing is illegal in many countries so I would not recommend doing it.
@@mantaminer6669 Just to clarify, an IP address doesnt really help you get any information beyond what city/ region I'm connecting to the internet in, and maybe identify which internet service provider I'm using. Seriously, its not that deep. Certainly not doxxing or geting any personal information. impersonating 92BOB to get nadeo to remove all his records however, that was a dick move.
Glad to see people are condemning blackq's behavior. Having such a disrepect for people's most basic privacy, on top of not respecting TOS - the literal rules of the game, is crazy. Doxxing + hacking tentative by social engineering + phishing link... How far can you go still thinking you're the good guy of the situation?
I'm not a fan of this video, it looks like a witchhunt more than anything. Though you do not endorse Blackq actions you still give him publicity. This isn't really about 92BOB but about whether or not Riolu is still playing the game, which is something you seem to view as a bad thing.
seriously bro, the guy is throwing a tantrum like an autistic kid thinking "nooooo riolu shouldn't be allowed to play :(((" even though he never even competed with riolu, he doesn't even set world records anymore so i don't get why he's holding a grudge.
@@qoxx I don't know if I agree with that or not (not relevant to this reply), but I'm curious what you mean by "throwing a tantrum like an autistic kid". To be clear I'm not offended by it, I'm just curious what you were trying to compare to. (context - I'm autistic, so I both have trouble understanding this kind of statement, and also have the curiosity to want to understand it)
@@circuitgamer7759In the older days of gaming, kids that didn't get enough attention from their parents called other kids autistic or retarded whenever they disagreed with them. Unfortunately, many of those kids grew up physically, but not really mentally, so they still think it's an extremely funny word to use.
@@circuitgamer7759i have an autistic brother and i kinda understand what they are talking about when they say this. If my brother sets his mind to something then there is no convincing him. He only says "no" but cannot give anyone any reason why he does that. He just set his mind and there's nothing we as family can do. Maybe they mean that Wirtual is the same. He set his mind on Riolu being evil and so there's no convincing and Riolu will always be evil in Wirtual's mind.
Why would it be so bad if it is Riolu? Even if he cheated, like, he's been thoroughly punished for it, loosing basically all his standing and livelihood. There really is no reason it would be bad if he just competed fairly for his own satisfaction again. Like, whoever this is is clearly not interested in interacting with anyone. Trying to "expose" them feels really fucking iffy.
@@sunofabeach9424 Yeah but this isn't the community, it's the game. The TM speedrun community doesn't own trackmania. It's completely legit for someone to play trackmania and ignore the community, as long as they stick to the rules of the game.
@@toboterxp8155 in a perfect world, yes. But sometimes the community takes action. And sometimes, even if this action isn't justified or seems illegal, a company should listen to the community and try to deescalate the situation instead of giving a default company response and turning a blind eye to the issue. It is completely legit by company's rules to cheat for a decade, deny all accusations, get caught in the end, then without so much as an apology just create another account and keep playing. And it is completely understandable that the community disagrees. Keep in mind that cheaters exposure in 2021 was pulled off by the community. The difference is that in 2021 the community succeded. If these accusations weren't true, it would be called a witchhunt and an angry mob would demand an apology from Wirtual personally
This video is insane. First of all the phishing link is out of this world insane and admitting it on RUclips is hilarious. Secondly, this is a video game guys. Ubisoft already said that the runs aren't cheated so if it is riolu, who cares? He isn't even bragging about doing it without cheats. He is just completely off of the grid. Its not like he is a pedo (at least to my knowledge) and is still in the community or something.
@@tarpeg We dont know if hes legit, all we know is that hes a no namer and the anti cheat didnt detect him cheating. That doesnt mean hes not cheating.
Exactly, first time disliking Wirtual's video as this is just failed attempt to DOX someone. Blackq is an absolute crybaby who isn't able to legitimately achieve better times so he must takedown someone's else time. I really didn't enjoy this video. Even if the account is indeed owned by Riolu, I don't think anything in this video was morally ok. I do not support Riolu's cheating, but enough is enough.
It's funny how Riolu is mindbreaking the entire trackmania elite just by doing nothing and is now the scapegoat for everything. New player gets records? Riolu. Got chased by a dog? Riolu. Power outage? Riolu. The milk went bad? Riolu? You fell down the stairs and started sliding in mayonnaise? Riolu. Or maybe Zoom was Riolu all along.
I mean, Riolu didn't really do himself any favors. He denied everything, lied numerous times, was belligerent towards his accusers, and then when he was finally proven to be cheating beyond any doubt, he just vanished and said nothing. No apology, no contrition, no admission that what he did or said was wrong in any way, nothing. I'm not of the opinion that Riolu should be excommunicated permanently, but I mean, Riolu also handled the leadup to his exit about as badly as he possibly could, and has made no statement since then that could help him begin to be welcomed back.
@@upliftstv "I mean, Riolu didn't really do himself any favors. He denied everything, lied numerous times, was belligerent towards his accusers, and then when he was finally proven to be cheating beyond any doubt, he just vanished and said nothing. No apology, no contrition, no admission that what he did or said was wrong in any way, nothing." get a life bud, no one who has a life actually gives a shit about "riolu this, riolu that" wah wah wah wah wah wah wah, holy shit pull your head out of your ass.
1. IP grabbing is highly unethical and probably illegal, it's not "clever and sneaky". 2.The only concrete information about 92BOB is his records are legit, and conformed to be a person by Nadeo. Nadeo protecting users privacy is completely fine. 3.This video is highly focused on insinuating 92BOB is Riolu, yet not a single evidence. 4.Painting 92BOB as the cheater, and saying the community "conquered" it is just awful. 5.Skillpoints is a in-game point, not a community leaderboard like other games speedrun, even if 92BOB is Riolu, it is in his every right to upload his records. He shouldn't be banned for it, trackmania is just unique that competitive speedrun leaderboards isn't entirely driven by community. Most you can do is take his name off every community made leaderboard. 6.And now imagining how bad Riolu's life is? What a disgusting take. Entire act is a witch hunt that already crossed the line. This video just add saltiness to it, you're just mad that you can't change Nadeo policies into your favor
Fr. Wirtual is incredibly salty in this video. I feel like the community needs to ban him from participating in events for a while just so he could gain a little empathy.
that last part showing riolu alone in his room grinding world records was completely unnecessary. also this is basically a 17 minute click bait video that could have been 3 seconds long saying: "We don't know"...
Would you have known about it if not from Wirtual making this video? Wirtual did his part, it is to the viewers to make their own decisions with that information.
Come home from working at uncle's Anatolian kebab shop > sit down at PC > cat on lap > time to game TrackMania for six hours > go to bed > wake up ready to go to work > repeat. Sounds like a comfy life to be sure
If you don't wash you hands before the night time routine, the process of orienting and creating the perfect recipe of school time weed and scissors is getting wildly out of hands. So you better clean them!
Went from “we exposed cheaters and made the community better” to “we are a cult that doesn’t care about people’s privacy and demand to know who and where they are because we don’t like that this person didn’t cheat but is better than us.”
This has to be the low point in terms of video concepts in the last few years. I took you for a guy who provides insight along with facts this lacked the latter. Hopefully upcoming videos will have facts alongside evidence.
issue is that riolu was wirts irl friend, that betrayed him in the worst possible way. so a personal note isnt avoidable when talking about this subject.
Saying that top trackmania players are happy seeing others doing well at 6:55 and then endorsing a doxxing attempt at 13:24 since you don't know who 92BOB or how he is so good, leading you to the idea that he must be a smurf or a cheat that you then push the idea to your large fanbase. Looks pretty hypocritical to me.
I mean, put simply, some random person does not just come along and take every single record immediately. This is a game series that takes at least a few years to get to the point where you can do that, and that is accounting for prodigies. That being said, it's a video game and that dude is an absolute loser for trying to invade 92BOB's privacy.
@@TheCursedJudge While I agree that there is reason to be suspicious, my main reason of concern is that there is no smoking gun. Without one undeniable and irrefutable piece of evidence, it makes the whole video come off as petty and vindictive to me. The possibility that 92BOB is actually an innocent player is too high for me to justify a video of this type.
@@durrnery2people can express opinions about who this player is without a smoking gun. there are reasons to think the account is an alt and reasons to think it is not. this video does not tell people to go harass bob, it just informs.
there is nothing hypocritical about this video. you gloss over the whole entire video that explains why people are suspicious of bob. this is only hypocritical if the community believes bob is a new player, this video shows why many in the community believe this to now be a newcomer. don’t just hate on a video for talking about a contentious topic. also please learn what hypocritical means.
This video adds nothing. Wirtual just comes of as a salty b*tch who will hold a grudge forever and Blackq as a psychopath engaged in a witch hunt. If anyting, this made me sympathetic for riolu since this shows he is truly passionate about his hobby and just wants to enjoy the game by himself. Also, 92Bob has been the most checked player regarding cheating for over 2 years and nothing was ever found. His records are legit until proven otherwise and he obviously doesn't want to interact with the community - so just let him be.
Exactly. Literal invisible witch hunt. Curiosity has its limits and it's getting morbid. Documentary are supposed to be completely neutral but he's throwing salt on a closed wound for no hecking reason.
It's not that Wirtual is even salty, I feel like it's moreso that he's arrogant about being right that Riolu was cheating. He's been milking the joke ever since then which just isn't something you do as someone who was supposedly "really close friends" with that person. Whatever the case, Wirtual doesn't seem to be the patron saint everyone makes him out to be.
Most people don't know that Wirtual was stirring up drama and purposely being inflammatory towards Riolu on twitter the week leading up to the report dropping. If he'd just limited contact and waited for the report to come out, he would have came across much better than he did. Him being petty here absolutely reflects his actions back then. If 92BOB is Riolu, then at least Riolu has actually grown as a person lmao
This video does more to show the toxic nature of the Trackmania community than anything else and shows that Wirtual is caught up in it as well. It's really telling with the armchair psychoanalyzing of Riolu in this video. This video assumes it's not worth playing the game at a high level unless you have the community's support. If 92BOB is really Riolu, then it actually shows that cheating was not a factor in what made him a great player. The speed at which he took back the top spot shows that he was as good as he claimed to be. It should be a great story to see a man prove himself, but the Trackmania community will only see it as a good story if they bend the knee first as Neko did.
That’s a really fucking weird take. These guys cheated for years and pushed legitimate records from the top, reaping the rewards and praise. You’re damn right people should be suspicious of any future records. And if someone wants to be part of a community, there’s nothing unreasonable in expecting contrition after cheating and lying like that. I think your creepy opinion that people should feel obliged to warmly welcome back someone without expecting some sense of repentance and change in behaviour is the toxic one.
@@sullenpuffin Riolu would have to apologize and make amends if he wanted to get back into the Trackmania Community, it is also fine and respectable for him to go his own way in exile and start a new account. The real problem is that people in the Trackmania Community don't even want Riolu to play the game if he really is 92BOB. 92BOB has not sought any praise or privilege for his demonstrated success, so he is causing no problem. This is a perfectly fine outcome for a cheater that all parties should agree to.
For all we know, the cheating is just more sophisticated now. Perhaps there’s a way to play in slow motion and still take advantage of improved reaction times, but it’s possible to spoof the controller inputs so that they behave as if being played at normal speed. If (big if) Bob is Riolu, the fact that he’s back at the top in suspicious circumstances is sketchy. I think people deserve a second chance, but also deserve to be treated with a little wariness. But for all I know, Bob is just a random talented player who’d prefer to remain anon. The point I was making is that it’s not unreasonable for the community to expect someone who has cheated to show some respect and pay their dues before being welcomed back. Accusing the community of being toxic for not blindly welcoming cheaters back just creates a place where cheaters will thrive.
@@sullenpuffinbut obviously Bob doesn't want do be part of the community. Dudes just playing the game. It IS unreasonable by the community to except that everyone has to be part of the community. And if you don't want to be part of the community they will start a which hunt.
Ok wow, that Summoning Salt style suits you incredibly well. The 10 seconds asking 'who is 92Bob are some of the best editing I've seen in a while'. Might be an unpopular opinion, but I believe this should be left in the past. Let's focus on the future and make the game & the TM community even greater.
i saw summoning salt for the first time a few months ago and thought "is this guy copying Wirtuals video style?" then i realized the upload dates and facepalmed over myself
I do believe 92Bob is Riolu aswell, and I'm not gonna lie, I LOVE IT The fact that he got rank 1 whil being 100% legit this time is a great redemption arc in my opinion, I wish he didn't vanished back then and admited his mistake. That being said, how CRINGE is it for the other guy to try to ERASE those legit records??? Has he never done mistakes himself? Does he know anything about FORGIVING people? Doesn't he thinks that Riolu making thousands every month from streaming and now went back to a "real" more difficult job is a good enough punishment for his mistakes?
If it is riolu, and the runs aren't cheated, then hats off to him, he did a comeback. If it is an anonymous player, and he doesn't want to be part of the community, there is no problem with that. It is just about the motivation of the other players and their ego, let's not try to take down a humble person
No, he didnt as he just vanished and lied to everyone else when the drama boomed. If he would said "yes, i cheated" and then do that sheeesh on Bobs account, he literally would became even stronger person in TM world than he ever was. But he just lied to everyone that he is innocent. Its so freakin dissapointing and he shouldnt be praised or anything like that. Just look what Neko did - he admitted immediately, and with time flying he proved to everyone else - even prove to himself that he is capable to be the rank 1 without the cheats.
@@TheRonaldo985 I didn't said that he did something good, obviously cheating and not being responsible of his acts was a pure a-hole move, especially because he was part of the community and built a career out of it, but if he is 92bob and if he didn't cheated, that is still impressive to be in the top spot. Tbh I'd love if 92Bob was just a random guy enjoying the game.
@@francoisleboiswhether he admitted to cheating or not, he was still punished for it. All his runs made while cheating were removed and his account was banned. He had to start back at square one just like everyone else. The fact that he is doing it honestly this time proves that he saw error in his ways and has made an effort to change and is just too ashamed and/or prideful to face the community.
You should delete this video. I clicked on this video thinking "If he uploaded a video about 92BOB on his main channel, it must be some actual news about who it is." And part of the way through the video I was convinced you were going to reveal that you got in contact with them and that they were or were not Riolu. The fact that the video did not have any new revelations, and just speculates without showing us any concrete evidence is ridiculous (Maybe some visual examples of his "similar tendecies and habbits" would help). I feel like this video is petty, driven by negative feelings that should be processed and left in the past years ago, and that you are perpetuating a witch hunt for whoever 92BOB is. And that's without going into the ick I think a lot of people in these comments are feeling with how you portrayed Blackq's actions as clever and then how you portrayed "Riolu" in the end as some sad sack for getting to the top of the leaderboards seemingly legitimately. You cannot post a video millions of people will see that spends it's entire time vilifying your theory of who 92BOB is and think that saying "That is just my opinion" and editing your pinned comment will somehow stop people from harrassing 92BOB. I'm genuinely dissapointed in this upload. I don't understand what positive this video will do by existing. I can confidently say that after this upload if Riolu is 92BOB then I respect him more than you for getting back to the top of the leaderboards legitimately and silently.
Can't say I liked this video. Feels like a bit of an asshole thing to do to hound someone who at this point is doing nothing wrong. At the same time as you completely forgot to condemn the action of someone who directly cheated, falsely represented their identity (this might actually be criminal depending on where he is located) and attempted to dox someones information (which may also be criminal). All because they want to stay anonymous. If this is riolu, why not leave him be? Whats wrong with him playing for his own? Why put it down to him "sitting in his his apartment [...] trying to prove something to himself [...] so that he can finally move on" while showing a picture of some sad person sitting alone in front of a TV. I am not defending anything that Riolu did. But this doesn't feel like a useful documentary. This feels vengeful and spiteful.
Cheaters have to deal with the consequences. Especially since Riolu purposefuly lied to the entire community. Or do you want Wirtual to praise him for what he did? In OTB chess, if you get caught cheating, your career is completely over. Should be the same in Trackmania, since it ruins the leaderboard integrity, also it influences honest players' status, viewership and finiancial profits.
@@adomaskuzinas2137sorry this is idiotic. He did very much pay for the cheating. He‘s an outcast, his reputation in shambles. that is punishment enough
@@adomaskuzinas2137 Then make a video about that. Make a video about Nadeo policy. That is absolutely fine. But thats not what Wirual has done here. This is not a video about policy or rules. This is a video that seemingly starts out with the question "The mystery of 92Bob", and end with the conclusion "Riolu is an asshole". The video achieves nothing outside of being a distasteful bashing of Riolu. There is no qualitative content in here. There is no conclusion or call to action. This video is essentially a hate mail to Riolu. Nothing else.
I dont get how you find this “vengefull”. Wirtual didnt really say subjective things apart from 14:58 around-ish. It was a video about the mystery and theory about riolu being that mysterious player. 14:58 was what he thinks about Riolu, which is fair and he hasnt gone too far with the things he said. I would say that Riolu has gone too far lying to everyone and being a jerk to Wirtual even tough he tried to stay civil during the scandal. I have to say i agree with @adomaskuzinas2137
I agree, feels like this is just a spiteful hit at riolu, with absolutely no evidence. Whether it is his or not, why’s it anyone else’s business. Wirtual seems a bit insecure about the whole riolu thing, like riolu owes him something. Just comes across very toxic and out of nature. Big thumbs down for wirtual on this one
Honestly this video is a terrible idea as it could lead to the doxxing of a random trackmania player who was just trying to have fun playing the game anonymously.
@@AfonsoCL not sure I agree completely with the person you asked the question to, but it's probably because he called "clever" the guy who tried identity theft with random dude playing a racing video game
I'm a big fan of yours but this video lacks perspective and is an incredibly bad look. Everything up to Nadeo investigation was fine, but everything beyond that is unhinged. The way it's presented is not okay. The entire rest of the video should be focused on how horrible Blackq's actions were. Not some witch hunt into this person. I also don't get the ending of the video. Just because someone doesn't want an online presence/following doesn't mean they're a sad basement dweller as you imply
@@sevargan2415 I disagree. Being "clever and sneaky" can be easily applied to many evil people and their actions; both fictional and real life. Although a characteristic of "clever and sneaky" might have a more positive tone, it doesn't automatically promote or advocate any of these actions Real life example: Many corrupt politicians were clever. Their actions of hiding it were definitely sneaky and creative. Even when you discover truth about their evil actions you can still say "wow, that was a clever move, I could never think of something like that. It's absolutely horrible, but god damn was it clever "
Yeah, I mean he certainly shouldn't be harassed. Still pretty gross how Riolu cheated and lied for years, was belligerent towards his accusers, and then just ran when the evidence was too much for him to gaslight his way out of. The fact that Wirt's video is in poor taste, and the fact that BlackQ is an insane person, does not change the facts about Riolu's behavior lol.
calling a phishing attempt to dox a seemingly innocent guy "clever" is such an asshole move, you know. I'd say it's worse than cheating in a video game. the guy could just be a random talent but since you're confident that he's riolu then anything is acceptable . but what do I know? apparently you need to be good at the game to have an opinion in this community.
@snakesnoteyes sure it's a smart move considering what he wanted. i still don't think wirtual should've said it in an encouraging manner, like he agreed with him. Videogames aren't that serious.
also, i just realized how creepy the TM community is. - a new player comes out of nowhere - becomes a complete pro at the game - "there's no way a noob is better than me" the whole community thinks - "let's find out who he is using any means necessary"
So even if it Riolu, assuming he is back and not cheating, nor breaking any policies, what is the issue? What he did was wrong absolutely but why can't he be at the top if he's capable? this is just straight toxic
Feels like more a matter of principle. The community was robbed of years of effort, and riolu potentially just making a new account to force respect from those people (even if it is anonymously) is kinda wack. I personally don't think he deserves respect if these are his records even if they are legit
@@Bean._.One doesn't need nor ask respect when playing anonymous. If it's riolu again. What's wrong cause if he takes the top position without cheating there's nothing wrong It's just goes to show that he. He is just simply better than others You can hate a player but you can't deny his skills Nor should you stop him from playing . Cause he is the best
@@ramensales3967 This whole video is dramatic. Witch hunting someone just because hes an "outcast that doesnt link with our mob community" is creepy, let people be.
@@jefferson2214 Wirtual didn't start the witchhunt though, the community did. Sure you could argue he is encouraging it somewhat but clearly people arent receiving the video that way
@@ramensales3967 hey uh, are you an idiot? he didn't say that he started the witch-hunt. he is actively participating in it. maybe English isn't your first language. feelsbadman.
As 92 represents the region "Hauts-de-Seine" in France (where the account is located), it makes it clear that the person behind the account has knowledge about it. I don't think a 12 years old german riolu would think that far back in 2008, as you cannot change your ID in trackmania
what is even the point of this video? that some high rank player "seems" to be riolu? if they want to remain anonymous, they have every right to do so, regardless of if they are a new or already known player. they are not breaking nadeo's rules--whether you think those rules are "good" or not does not justify attempting to phish/dox anyone (or making a video that could potentially start a witch-hunt). very disappointing to see something like this come from one of (if not THE) largest voices in the trackmania community.
This video should've focused on all calling out blackq, not riolu. The riolu drama is pretty dusted at this point, but blackq's actions should be explicitly called out. The lack of perspective in this video is just disappointing.
I didn't even know Riolu before Wirtul's video in 2021, because I'm not much into Trackmania. Ending your career like that is really unfortunate. But the analogy of him being in his room and playing Trackmania went too far.
"can't let pride cloud your jedgement"... regardless if this player is cheating or not, maybe a person forming part of the community's confirmation bias, going on a witchunt and actively trying to breech their privacy is pretty bloody toxic
Riolu insulted Wirtual publicly, so I do understand that Wirtual doesn't like Riolu. But his career is already ruined, so that should be enough. Maybe they had more contact privately, so who knows.
How about you post about 92bob when you have some data that he cheated? Or if you have proof it's someone. Such a non story here except for the nasty attacks and phishing for data.
I think it might be riolu. But also truth is that this investigation and your video made Trackmania blow up. You might have someone who after 7 years remembered: "I used to play this, let's see if it still is fun" and getting into it very seriously.
I wondered this as well. What I think makes it less likely is the sudden improvement in skill. It takes time to be that good at the game and bob was not there back when they last uploaded records.
@@galois6569tbf outside of some specific tricks, trackmania still is a kinda normal racing game. So he may have played other games under a different username (mine in trackmania is also different from Most platforms) that gave him a good General skill at racing games, which combined with the purge of all the cheated records may enable someone to rise quickly
Unless you catch them cheating on the new account, it's (literally) fair game. Otherwise you can just accuse anyone of being a cheater to try and invalidate their records.
I agree. He's playing legit and crushing it, let the person enjoy the game. They clearly went too far, even if it's Riolu, as long as he's legit it's all good
Ironically, this video is only going to let Riolu know he is generally forgiven by the greater TM Community if he's back to being a beast (legitimately this time). This might just be the video that brings him back 😂
Exactly what I am thinking! These comments make it really clear that Most people would be on his side now again if je comes back. If it actually is him that is.
If this was his way of getting back into the game to prove himself after cheating it’s somewhat respectable. Even though he didn’t apologise, if he does eventually say yup Bob is me and I’m sorry for cheating I think some people would forgive him. I still think it would’ve been a lot better if he had just apologised straight after being caught and hadn’t lied about it
@@yanste3349 I don't think most people would be on his side lol. Riolu handled the cheating situation about as badly as he possibly could have. He cheated multiple WRs, lied about it when accused, trashed his accusers, gaslit his fans, and then when the evidence was too much to continue denying with bald-faced lies he disappeared with no apology or contrition of any kind. The cheating alone is bad enough, but the way Riolu handled it was extra despicable. Look at Neko for an example of how to recover from cheating. He admitted he cheated, apologized, and committed to returning as a legit player. That's respectable. What Riolu did is not. This video being in awful taste doesn't somehow redeem Riolu.
8:12 "92BOB's records are not cheated". Well the video and the whole bruhaha should've stopped right there. FFS even if it was Riolu or whoever, even pro athletes who use illegal substances only get a 2-4 year ban for their first offense, not lifetime.
what... nadeo doesnt ban tge person just the account? thats absurd!? (neko and trabadia chillin catching no heat for also cheating but using different accounts)
@@supersuede91 yeah 100%. I've been following Wirt for a couple of years now but this video felt like an odd addition to his main channel. Behind the nice editing and such what we have is no real answer, and the conclusion making me almost feel like he's sure he's right about his guess and is trying to bait Riolu out
You are aware that what's described in this video, if true, could be considered a crime, right? And I don't think you even realized that until reading some of the comments.
This video is revolting. I've seen fun videos about mysterious players that talk about the mystery around them whilst still supporting them, and I thought this would be the same, but this is just a smear campaign against a guy who may not even be Riolu. At best this is a petty bit of revenge against someone who seems to want to move on, but it is just as easily an attack against some random person.
Who do you think 92BOB is?
While not explicitly said in the video, I'll say here I don't endorse anything blackq did. But his actions are an important part of the story. It is the perfect example of "Don't become a monster when trying to defeat one"
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My take on this is that regardless of if Riolu is 92BOB, blackq definitely crossed way too many lines to try to find this out
Agreed, even if it is him without definitive prrof blackq and even this video will start a witchhunt for a potentially innocent person. Nadaeo talked to them and said it's fine. That is where this should have all ended.
trying to steal the account was extremely creepy. he knew it wouldn't work too, based on having nothing besides claiming it was his, so he just wanted everyone to see he was trying to do it. very odd behavior
@@cavauro People do very strange things when they think they are right.
Yeah its so weird, like this one guy went to far, calling it clever is a bit weird.
The TM community doesnt approve thats for sure.
Nah he didn't, that's like highschool type attempts. Game being that old, Im willing to bet there has to be some security exploits that would allow to get a hold of some data related to bobs account. But we will probably never know
Trying to dox someone using a phishing link is unethical and illegal. Let's focus on fair gameplay and leave personal privacy alone. ❤
Not illegal. Name a law even in the US that prevents you from collecting user data like country/IP information.
The federal Computer Fraud and Abuse Act@@chedisLoL
@@chedisLoL some of his attempts would have qualified as identity theft if it had worked
@@chedisLoL There are countries in this world which arent glorified shiatwholes like the US with an intact law-system lol
@chedisLoL it isn't illegal to dox someone through OSINT, but the moment you go to the length of using links to obtain otherwise NOT public info, you're literally defining phishing. It's a gray area. Either way you won't be punished for it.
Plot twist:
92BOB is just a random old trackmania player who is called Bob.
Yeah, was probably good at the game back in the day, then was reminded of it because of the surge in popularity
Omg Bob being just an old wholesome grandpa and being an absolute menace at the game sounds so freaking wholesome amd funny lol
@@Ojas97yeah that's not it, pablo's spanish and he only played stadium
I'm assuming that they're born in 1992 (hence *92*bob)
@@ThatNerdGuy0Yea i think so too
But them being a 92 year old person when they made the acc is funnier
Guy playing trackmania anonymously: HAUNTING
Guy trying to find his real IP and address: Clever idea!
Wirtual casually endorsing phishing and doxxing
Leaving out tons of relevant context while trying to prove a point. Yikes
@@ramensales3967Phishing for other's information is enough context. Don't do that.
@@PumkinVideoslike yeah sure Riolu isn’t a great person and it does seem a little scummy to ban evade but phishing his IP??? And what if Bob is just some dude…
@@aykrackenThen you just doxxed someone that did nothing wrong
Blackq should absolutely be banned. Using the in game messaging service to phish someone AND impersonating someone directly to Nadeo support. What the fuck?
Might even be illegal in some countries.
I agree. Phishing like that just because you are curious is not ok.
Yeah, what he did was completely unethical. Like Wirt said, don't become a monster trying to take down a monster. We all know Riolu cheated and has been totally unapologetic about it, but trying to doxx and phish someone is crossing a line.
I think Nadeo's statement that they confirmed who it was and that "banned players are free to make a new account," along with all of the playstyle similarities and the timing of the account make it pretty obvious that it's Riolu, but we aren't entitled to know who it is. I do wish Nadeo would've permanently banned him, though. If he refuses to even admit he was cheating, much less apologize, that's not someone who should be allowed to exist in the community.
If he didnt do it on his main account then who cares; clearly nadeo doesnt
unethical maybe but where is sending a hyperlink illegal?
Will Blackq face any punishment for breaching Nadeo TOS? Sending someone a fake link to doxx them is disgusting. Think Wirtual should have done better than calling his antics "clever and sneaky", pathetic would better fit.
idk if getting someone's IP is considered doxxing, but I understand the sentiment
@@BlueHawkPictures17getting the ip address was just the first step to finding out who bob is imo
@@monkeybrains it was a step to check if bob was riolu, not just dox the mf
IP addresses only give out a general location like a country and usually very little else information. That link was probably the least bad method he tried. Matching the country to a confirmed cheater was probably the best bet. He might get banned for trying to say he owned the account but probably not.
@@George_vvIP addresses show a whole lot more than country lmfao, what a reach to justify it
This video should have been centered around the unhinged lengths the community will go to try and reveal the identity of someone who just wants to be anonymous.
You cannot put the blame on the entire community for the actions of a single individual, that's ridiculuos. In reality, while some members of the community were indeed curious as to who 92BOB actually is, it was only one individual (blackq) who crossed the line in trying to determine the answer to that question. For that matter, the TMUF community was shocked to learn of what blackq did and, as a response, he was rightfully outcasted from the community and all his records were also removed by the TM Exchange moderators, while also receiving a perma-ban. Every single community will eventually have some bad apples, though it is important to make the distinction between the majority good apples of the community and the few bad apples giving it a bad name
Huh😂
Holy crap. At first I thought this video was building around Riolu potentially having a redemption.
This went a totally different direction than what I expected, and quite frankly unhinged on your parts.
Right ? I was waiting for the moment where Wirtual says it's actually an impostor... but they don't know ? Wth is that thumbnail ? The man has 1M subscribers and he's flagging a potentially innocent person in his thumbnail.
@Zinarw are u stupid ?
@@Zinozad yeah thumbnails are made to be catchy you didnt know?
@@Guardianem There's a difference between catchy and slanderous
*14:58** - this part is so unbelievably cringe and self-absorbed.* - "this creates a very haunting picture of him sitting in his apartment spending hours every day trying to reach rank 1 again, perhaps trying to prove something to the community, perhaps just trying to prove something to himself, as a healing project, so that he can finally leave the game behind and move on."
... yeah, OR he just really likes to play a game he has loved for like 15 years and wants to play by himself without being harrassed, doxxed and publicly shamed for years on end
Agree. This video comes off as extremely petty.
Exactly.
Kinda ignoring the part where he cheated for 10ish years and refused to admit to it. Just about every other cheater came clean, moved on with their lives, and are in a better place. It was his choice to cheat. It was his choice to lie about cheating.
Phishing attempts, etc. are of course still wrong and unacceptable. If blackq faces repercussions, good, that's absolutely valid. But don't say riolu is just "some guy who enjoyed the game". And if he's competing at the top of the leaderboard, he's either still cheating, or at best works a job and spends all of his free time on trackmania. Either way, Wirtual's description might not be fair, but it certainly wouldn't be far from the truth.
riolu said multiple times he hates grinding tmuf world records (which is why he cheated in the first place), saying its a game he loves is a stretch
@@DaTimmeh You guys need to relax, thats all im gonna say. Cheers
0:48 "It's been 2 years"
No my friend, it's 2024
Aware
i want you to know he probably recorded the line like 6 months ago when it was 2 years old
This was supposed to be his last 2023 video, but it ended up being his last 2024 video
nahhh@@Nikke-nn5mn ☠
@@Nikke-nn5mnlast 2024 😢
Honestly, I think this topic is getting a little bit out of hand. Trying to dox someone with a fishy link, reaching out to Nadeo trying to delete someones records from the leaderboard although he played them legitimately goes too far imo.
Is it Riolu? We don't know - and I don't really care as long as this person keeps playing legit. If it's him, I hope he found joy in whatever he's doing now. But trying to reveal someones identity who clearly wants to stay anonym is a bad move.
Fair take, but man it IS an interesting story lol. Perhaps not an honorable one. But very interesting.
@@reed6514 it sure is interesting. also shows that not all disgusting people in trackmania are cheaters. some people in this bubble need to calm down a lot.
The story is interesting, but it does feel like a personal vendetta
After losing his twitch income, Riolu is probably quite happy to be able to live rent free in Wirtual's head to save some money
@@riceycakezzYes, at least partially. Especially the bit about _"if_ it is Riolu just imagine him sitting in his basement lonely" is inappropriate. There is no proof that it's him, and that's all that matters. Wirtual did draw a direct connection and attacked him personally based on speculation. Despite him possibly not having anything to do with any of this, which is a no-go. Thinking about it, I don't believe that part adds anything to the story whatsoever and should have been left out even if we knew for sure it was Riolu.
13:06
Bro doesn’t even know who owns the account and is trying to take away hundreds of hours of progress
Right?????? All I'm thinking is just what if this is just some person who got back into the game because of the publicity of the cheating scandal and now he's getting his account, personal information, and legitimate records messed with all because people think he's a smurf cheater
It's like the salem witch hunt but for trackmania at this rate
Kinda scary that nobody stopped to think if this is okay...
Besides which... while it wpuld be ideal and the least dishonorable for a previous cheater to own up and then stay public if they want to try again without cheating, in reality.. as long as the records of all players are being subject to anticheat and the same scrutiny, if one of them wanted to make a new account and put it behind them, i dont think a witch hunt is neccesary. Definitely no doxing. The competition is whats important.
right? why does the pro have to reveal their identity?
While there may be evidence this person is Riolu, I think blackq went too far. At least in this video, I saw no evidence that 92BOB was cheating in any way, other than suspicion.
blackq got "banned" by the united community itself so he just dissapeared for a while, now I do not know where he went
Nah the riolu theory makes very very little sense when you actually think about it. It's super dumb
@@gauthzu5359 enlighten us, great thinker. Points @ 14:35 make a lot of sense actually.
@@gauthzu5359wirtual has basically caused cyber bullying against Bob.
@@keyboardwarrior7538How has wirtual done that? He just made a video saying that people think it's Riolu. Nothing in this video incites cyber bullying.
So. the ethical discussion around making another account as Riolu aside. I hope no one condones behavior such as impersonating another player or target phishing them. Its not just unethical but also illegal.
And not a genius like wirtual made it seem like. In the video he's basically endorsing the criminals behavior and then thinks a comment saying I don't endorse it is enough (after he received multiple criticism.)
Whyyyyyyyy did he make this video? ¿
He ended up with 0 concrete evidence
Malicious links should violate some Nadeo terms of service no?
@@keyboardwarrior7538Where did he endorse phishing? I watched the video too, and all I saw was a coverage of real events that happened in the TM community. You know it's possible to talk about something without endorsing it, right?
@@Kwauhn. 13:24 is where he talks about how clever and sneaky it is to try phishing with the fake link.
@@baertorv I would hardly call those adjectives endorsement.
Oh wow, we're only 2 months in and we've already got our video for the year.
See you guys in January
yeah, someone should tell wirtual to upload at least four videos this year
He said it's the "year of the main channel" so let's see
He recently said he was working on another script. Said he got a lot of creativity back during his break and wrote 4,000 words for it. So maybe we'll get a 2nd vid this year
he also said that last year during kacky@@derickd6150
he said on stream he had 1 or 2 moer vieos in the works rn
the "this creates a very haunting picture" part is crazy
Yeah when they hunt for records its fine, when 92bob does it it's haunting
so haunting. someone sitting in an appartment playing games. extremely haunting
bros monitor turned off and he saw himself kekw
@@TommyScott-g1p indeed it is, what kind of gamer doesn't play in a basement? major red flag, tsk tsk
You can’t try to violate an anonymous person’s privacy using a literal phishing attack just because you think they might be a cheater who now plays legit, wtf
Edit: guys stop liking the ai-generated comment from the crypto scam account below this 💀
Edit 2: Crypto account’s comment is now gone, W
i would be in shambles if i were bob seeing this video :( poor guy ngl
Blackq is a massive loser.
@@slobodanmedadadonevic5723exactly, all the unjustified hate he could get from this vid is insane.
@@keyboardwarrior7538Judging from the comments, I dont think theyre getting much hate lol
IP addresses are public information so it wasn't an attempt to violate BOB's privacy.
Maybe admitting someone set up an illegal information privacy violation to try stealing 92BOB’s info isn’t the best thing to announce publicly. Your desire to know who someone is doesn’t supersede their right to anonymity
Lmfao, any website can see and does see your IP. There is nothing illegal about it.
From what I understand blackq's actions were public knowledge, and he's gotten a lot of backlash prior to this video from people in the community over it, but it was already publicly known blackq did this because blackq posted about it, it's not like it was private info. Wirtual is making a report of what has happened from that point in time, he's well within rights to discuss those events are they did happen. What Wirtual should not have done was call them "clever and sneaky" when talking about creepy, stalker behaviour and possibly ToS breaking actions. While Wirtual didn't participate in the attempt to dox 92BOB he seemed to support or at least be okay with it.
@evoo8214 he literally lied in an email saying it was him and wanted every record deleted. without any definitive proof of who 92bob is. for all we know it could be an innocent guy who's just very talented. and regardless of who he is, since every record is legit, then who cares?
@@evoo8214 yeah it is probably not illegal, very odd though. But the email thing, that is illegal. Attempting to assume someone's identity
@@derickd6150 Of fucking course this is illegal! Damn. Yes, websites do have the IP address of people. But they have that for the given reason. And they are not allowed to share it to anyone. blackq does not have a legitimate interest and certainly not the consent of the person concerned.
Didn't expect that the worst "bad guy" in this video was going to be someone other than Riolu... kinda surprised Wirtual doesn't outright disapprove of what blackq did in this video.
yea he should really be ashamed of himself for still having this video public.
as of writing this, he's currently livestreaming about how he won the speedrunner award _(an award he btw shouldn't have won since he's not a speedrunner)_ while showing pictures from the event. really awkward vibe in the chat, and there're countless of people asking for him to explain himself while he's smiling and laughing...
@@JohnWarosa999 Well I'm watching his stream atm and it doesn't feel awkward to me at all. I think he probably could/should have made a video on this channel about how he doesn't condone it etc, but saying he's worse than blackq is kind of a crazy take in my opinion lol.
I still enjoy the rest of his content and everything, just didn't like this video is all ^^.
Because Wirtual is a morally corrupt cheater himself maybe?
@@JohnWarosa999Wirt is a speed runner. He has records for beating the game blindfolded and many other variations of TMNF. Not to mention trackmania is purely a time trial game in nature, it would be fair to consider it a “speedrunning game.” It’s a game that involves players attempting to shave time off of records that have been previously set by themselves and/or others, the literal definition of speedrunning.
With his morals under the microscope, I feel it is fitting to add my opinion on the topics at hand. The video format is meant to be purely a record of events, and not to share an opinion on the topics at hand. He can choose whether or whether not he can use his right to share his opinion since he is a prominent figure in the scene, and is an active player that was effected by the events.
All that being said, he has confirmed that he wasn’t supporting the actions of the said player, noting that, “One should not become a monster trying to stop a monster.”
I really hope this community would lay off hyperbolic criticism and opinions that leave little room for discussion, as it is an improper and unfair way of getting your ideas out there. I’m sure Wirt doesn’t want to start a war in the trackmania community over his video, and simply tries to get information out to a wide audience. If he truly wanted to support the actions of the problematic user, he would avoid getting the information out to the public. A large majority of his audience don’t even play trackmania, and even those who do aren’t in the loop with a lot of the information that goes out (that would be me 😊).
I understand trying to make sure a prominent figure in the community isn’t trying to support actions of a violent nature, but making negative comments strictly off of perceived character comes off as projection, and straight up framing.
@@falcon1378 that's a fair take. we all have different opinions, and we clearly don't agree, which is okay. I just wrote what my take on the situation was, as did you, and I personally couldn't disagree more.
"Waaaah, the top player is anonymous, better try to dox them just in case its riolu."
Real mature there.
Riolu is still living rent-free in Wirtual's mind. He becomes a rabid dog whenever he thinks he's dealing with riolu again
wirt is seing the $$$ opportunity every time the name riolu pops up
@@agent0422how stupid can you be bruh
@@slobodanmedadadonevic5723don't tell wirtual that there's a pokemon named riolu.
this video makes it clear that riolu is still living rent-free in wirtuals head
LOL true
so so true
so many languages in the world but you chose to speak facts
What are you trying to say?
pretty weird to defend a cheater ngl
This is really bizarre ngl. If anything the guy who publicly tried to social engineer and dox some guy using Trackmania because of some stupid witch hunt should be banned.
he is
@@MizuTM Has he not just made another account?
kinda fucked up what Blackq did. Trying to get an account removed from the leaderboards by impersonating the owner and then trying to doxx them with a phishing link. Huge gray area if not strictly illegal. I'd like to see that guy banned...
*arrested* and the video edited to remove anything about him. He's basically endorsing the act as clever in the video but hidden in the comments says I don't endorse it. Is it a coincidence that comment happened after the other comments? ¿
Blackq probably wasn't even the only one doing this. People like to gang up and start witchhunts.
At this point wirtual is basicly endorcing internet bullying while being the main party benefiting from it. No idea why he posted this video.
@@keyboardwarrior7538 Thank god the comments are against BlackQ lmao idk how anyone could hear him do some dumb shit like that and not think that's weird
blackq is banned from the united community. The united community doesnt want him associated with them
@@keyboardwarrior7538 Because trying to erase the fact that Blackq did that is somehow better? It happened, and so deserves to be known.
Nadeo: it's legit account, no cheating detected. Enjoy the game, lads.
Blackq: 🤓🤓🤓
Everyone is focusing on blackq's actions completely ignoring wirtual's witchhunt video.
His channel with 1m subs is way more damaging than blackq trynna dox bob imo
@@jefferson2214 which part of this video is witch-hunting? No personal information was given and no calls for harassment or violence were made.
@@jefferson2214waffler
@@jefferson2214 ah yes, consistent cheating until you get caught and have to address the 9501828937179366189761 words of backlash + wirtual's video = witch hunt LOLOL
@@CharmingCactusWhile Wirtual may have covered his ass with the edit to his pinned comment, prior to that, his tone of voice when recounting blackq’s actions could most certainly have been interpreted as tacit and implied encouragement of such behavior. That, in turn, sparked a lot of pushback and criticism from his YT community (no word on what the Trackmania players think, though; I’m not a part of that tribe).
Even with the edit to his pinned comment, it could still be reasonably interpreted as him giving a green light or dog whistling for this to happen due to this video still being live and not unlisted for a newer, less endorsing version of blackq’s actions.
Thus, in turn, it is reasonable to assume that this video (as it stands now) is part of a potential targeted campaign of harassment and bullying, or at least calling for the support of one.
I am against what blackq did, especially the phishing link. Making the community more toxic is not a solution. Thanks for the video❤
Have to agree here, regardless of 92BOB is riolu some of the things blackq attempted to do are very borderlining on breaking ToS, and are highly questionable from a moral standpoint.
at this point blackq is dirtier than riolu
Agree, this should be a ban and not only the account. Nadeo shouldn't let this one slide.
The false RUclips link is dusgusting and should have consequences. Nice rickroll though.
@@Vindisify you want to punish someone who tried one phishing attack (against a cheater almost for sure) more, tan you would like to punish a person who cheated in a pro scene for years. You are delusional
heres a crazy idea, 92BOB is 92BOB
This one video honestly doesn't really sit that well with me. As long as the account is now playing legitimately - I don't feel like it should really matter who it is, and this really looks more like a witch hunt than anything else.
Exactly this. Riolu's records were all scrubbed and his streaming career ended as a result of the cheating scandal, the dude got his just desserts already. Assuming 92Bob is him (and even if it isn't), then it's really cool that someone achieved that and it has been confirmed as legitimate.
@@midastheunwise2423exactly, and however wrong he was in the way he originally dealt with the whole drama, going and taking first place back anonymously seems almost poetic to me (if this is indeed riolu)… just the way this video is structured gives strange vibes, like wirtual is still salty about the whole drama and wants to get rid of riolu again. We should just give the guy a second chance
the picture he tried to paint of riolu/any random person sitting in a dark room was rather disgusting aswell. Just let the people play games they enjoy, thats what games are for. And yes, I 100% agree that this video is nothing more than a witchhunt that might get others in trouble... not up to the standards of what we are used to from this channel.
@@bestphileu1240 Oh yea, that felt really petty and kinda made me physically cringe
Exactly
I really hope that 92BOB is just a random guy who decided to get good at trackmania one day during the pandemic and is just some kind of prodigy who doesn't like to interact with everyone
I'm so disappointed that the TM community would go to such lengths to try and potentially break the privacy of some person who just wants to play the game. Since when did presuming innocence died?
A few years ago it globally broke with MeToo where just claiming you were mistreated led to you losing your job.
I think claiming it was the entire community is incorrect. especially the more serious actions, were done by a single player who people don't agree with.
Innocence presume only works against real crimes
There were some bad actors, but the community as a whole was justified in their discomfort with the situation. The Trackmania community is very close knit and the top players respect each other very much and enjoy getting to have a sense of camaraderie and/or rivalry with others. It’s strange and unsettling to have someone come out of nowhere, set a bunch of records, and refuse to join the community and interact with everyone. Yeah, I could think of many good reasons why someone wouldn’t want to interact with the Trackmania community, but I think it’s reasonable to be upset that someone doesn’t want to interact with others.
since 2021
Imagine if 92BOB was really just a random dude that's really good at the game. All that BS going on would just make me never want to actually enter the community and reveal who I was. They'd probably just think I was lying because it didn't fit their story.
Exactly, the trackmania community comes off as completely elitist. No one we don't know can be as good as us old guys. And going as far as doxxing and phishing someone online. Imagine its a teenager playing on his older sibling's account and the community of the game he is good at is trying to actively witch hunt him
Bob?
@@gabeschoenfeld317 Wade?
He posts legit records...why should he be shunned and removed? He showed this game to so many people. I actually got to your channel through him. I don't think he should be punished more but rather encouraged to come back, apologize for his mistakes and continue playing legitimately. With or without an account he is still one of the best.
> this creates a very haunting picture of him sitting in his apartment spending hours every day trying to reach rank 1 again, perhaps trying to prove something to the community, perhaps just trying to prove something to himself, as a healing project, so that he can finally leave the game behind and move on.
A haunting image to play the game? Dude. Let him play, what more needs to be taken from him?
Yeah, pretty uncalled for personal attack...I'm guessing Wirtual feels immensely betrayed by Riolu on a personal level, considering it seems like he respected Riolu and viewed him as a friend. I get how having someone like that turn out to be a cheater would suck, especially a cheater who tried to gaslight his way out of the accusations and then expressed zero remorse or contrition for cheating after finally being exposed in a way he couldn't continue to lie his way out of. I get that. But Wirtual needs to let it go, it's long past time to move on here.
@@upliftstvIn all likelihood if it is riolu then this statement is atleast somewhat accurate. Idk how you interpreted this as a personal attack
Isn’t this exactly what wirtual does? Sits in a room all day staring at a computer 😂 he’s so incredibly elitest and hypocritical
@@upliftstv the people who riolu hurt (including wirtual e.g. the cheating and lying, and calling him terrible names on his last livestream) never even have an apology that they can accept, because he never apologised and never admitted. if he doesn't admit and apologise for what he did, no one has to move on imo
e.g. riolu calling wirtual a f*ckt*rd is way worse than wirtual's light jabs in this video, and lying and cheating for over a decade is wild
It's honestly disgusting to see how hard the TM community tried to infiltrate 92BOB's privacy. Even though it might be Riolu, as long as they aren't cheating, anyone should be allowed to compete, even anonymously, at least from my perspective.
100% agree, it's sickening
I mean its one weird guy honesly. Everyone kinda moved on, but not some one guy.
@@Arcsinx One weird guy.... and the biggest TrackMania channel on RUclips
Being able to compete is a privilege, one that should've been revoked for Riolus behaviour, that being said that blacq guy or whatever his name was is a massive creep and definitely crossed a lot of lines
@@DoctorHerbstein I think he is talking about blacq
The „haunting picture“ part is f-ing foul. We get it Wirtie, he was disrespectful to you, he lied and made fun of you on stream. He paid by losing his job and his fanbase. You don‘t have to tell us how miserable he has to be on top of that, making up scenarios of him being all alone with this sad situation he supposedly is in.
nice try riolu
I agree, we should just forget what happened its already been 2 years since then
Normally love all of wirtuals stuff but I've got an odd feeling from his more recent content. Not sure I like where we are heading
Yeah Wirtuals development is concerning
chill.
Wirtual being so laid back talking about people trying to dox a guy just because he wants to stay anonymous is chilling. This is unnacceptable behavior regardless of who is behind that account, and it should be punished by nadeo. And I hope Wirtual can understand how weird his tone while talking about this is, because it's definitly not behaviors that should be encouraged.
That’s why he left the pinned comment…
@@aureouss2823 lmao if you think that a pinned comment is enough - why not give it the same exposure by explicitly not condoning it in the video itself? To me it just seems like an obvious attempt from Wirtual at damage control; you'll see that the pinned comment is edited as well.
He's not encouraging the Behavior
@@Max-prime1212 He definitively is, his narrative is "stalking is fine if it is for the pursuit of truth"
@@maxchess6734 no he isn't. He is simply telling a story of what actually happened.
this video is singlehandedly returning public favour to riolu. This video is unhinged
For real. I feel bad even for the cheaters with this insane witch hunting. What makes it truly disturbing is the way it's presented in a documentary-like form. Wirtual really believes himself to be the rightful one here, and that, my friends, is literally HAUNTING.
and yet here we are, wirtual sitting on his own property, living like a king, funded by countless sheep supporting his twisted morals
@@slobodanmedadadonevic5723 Nothing to do but boycott the fuckers. I was subscribed to Wirtual, unsubbed after this video. It may just be a drop in the ocean, but drop after drop eventually adds up to an ocean.
Wirtual. You did great work together with donadigo... - But why dont we just let the past be the past? Riolu wants to play the game? Fine. Let him. Sure, he acted like a little child and he attacked you personally - but i dont think its fair to start a witchhunt here. I am 100% sure riolu learned from his mistakes. It destroyed his career. Rightfully so - but damn. Especially what blackq did... Like... Really?! Thats "clever" (13:23)?
everyone asks who is 92bob but nobody asks how is 92bob😔
Yes, how IS 92bob?
this is the question that truly needed to be answered
He probably had suicidal thoughts when that video came out about him in 2021.
@@voltsiano116good ty
we don't care how he is. He trolls and cheat the community
Yeah nah this one was a swing and miss Wirtual.
Imagine 92BOB is just some guy called Bob and he was playing offline untill 2021
So he's engaging in a hobby/sport where he'd have to dedicate most of his free time to it, playing for a few hours almost every single day, for atleast 3-4 years to be as good as he is, minimum. And he wants no recognition for this? He's just dedicating most of his life for years to playing a game and never once thinks "hey maybe I should briefly connect with the community, you know, say hi, see what they think of my amazing accomplishments in this highly competitive environment". No. It's Riolu. There is a 0% chance it's an offline player. You can't get that good by accident. It requires Trackmania to become the thing you dedicate the most time too in your life. It requires Trackmania to be at minimum your 2nd highest priority out of everything in life, for years. There's no way someone that involved with the game literally never makes a single post anywhere about it and never connects with any other part of the community.
@@CharlesFreck you are that guy who explains jokes when nobody asks for 💀💀💀
@@wat5384 cry more
@@CharlesFreck I agree, theres just so many coincidences, it's really likely it's Riolu, the tracks bob plays, his playstyle, the fact Riolu is still seen online in trackmania, and him only appearing after Riolu left. The only mystery is how he got access to an account created in 2008. My guess is that it was a back-up account in case he got banned or something
Holy shit. This is an unselfaware documentary on toxicity in trackmania.
Hunting on a player that doesn't want to be in public and go as far as doxxing and inpersonation.
Your guys curiosity doesn't give any of you the right to invade the privacy to any player in a random online game. Absolutely crazy that mob mentality.
Facts
Wirtual didn't condone anything blackq did, and in fact has stated that he specifically does not condone what he did and that it was a monstrous act.
@@dathaniel9403 I do like Wirtual but cmonn, even you surely dont believe what you just wrote. In the video itself he literally callled what blackq did "smart and sneaky". That's called complimenting it. And the comment is literally edited to it, he didnt condone it it in any way at first, just after he realised he may have crossed the line.
@@cmdrHeliaxxjust because he called it smart and sneaky doesn’t mean he condones it..
@@Garden_0f_Eden__CA Well, I don't know about you, but if I thought something was unethical/illegal to do, I probably wouldn't go out of my way quite literally complimenting it without even noting that it's something I don't support.
Wirtual: Anybody who cheats will have their account banned but the person themselves won't. Which is kinda stupid if you think about it.
Also Wirtual: Admitting your mistakes and changing for the better should always be your goal because people will welcome you back if you do so.
Total 180. This is hypocrisy arc for Wirtual.
Also Wirtual: "I'll use macros to cheat and then use my popularity to get out of trouble, all while crucifying all other cheaters"
@@Dalroche do what? Rly
You missed the difference. Because cheating is tied to the account instead of the player, there is no history of cheating that exists, according to the policy.
So there is no reason a cheater can’t make a new account and continue to cheat. There is no accountability.
That is what’s dumb about the policy. That cheaters can continue WITHOUT changing their ways.
@@Dalroc
If he wanted to use macros to cheat, why would he make videos publicly calling attention to them, then stop using them?
Nadeo's account banning policy makes sense though from their point of view. Banning people and not accounts from playing would mean, for the sake of equity, verifying the identity of every person behind every new account, in addition to all of the existing ones. That would be infeasible from both a technical and legal standpoint.
So technically infeasible that every other game already does it...
@@potatosordfighter666 namely...?
because most games with an antimod only recognizes how the computer handles the game, and even then they're already invasive as they are running on ring-0 (kernel level, forcefully controlling your physical hardware just to run the game).
@@potatosordfighter666i mean, most other games just block you either based on your Email address (which can be easily avoided for obvious reasons) or based on your ip address, but that would mean, that anyone, who uses the same address (be it for example someone in the same household or a bunch of households behind the same CGNAT address) would also be blocked
@@Wilker_uwu Uhh, ban evasion is a bannable offense in and of itself in the vast majority of multiplayer games, even if it isn't easy to detect. Read the TOS of every other multiplayer game you play.
and IP is completely irrelevant as nearly every end user has a dynamic ip@@p3chv0gel22
nice to see the community has learned nothing from the Riolu fallout, and Wirt's personal feelings seem to have caused a weirdly obsessive bias in this case. If it's not Riolu, we're just dredging up the past out of spite. If it is Riolu, as long as he ain't cheating again then I have no problem with the best leaderboard time being just that, the best time.
11:45 Sorry, but I have to disagree with you thinking that this is a absurd policy. I mean, even if it is Riolu playing on the 92BOB Account, why should it matter if the records that are being achieved on that account are legit?
And BlackQ is acting like a child by wanting a account removed from the leaderboard simply because he can´t live with the possiblity that a former cheater has gotten legit records. He has practically proven that Nadeo´s cheat detection is working, If anything, the person that is BlackQ is the one that should get banned from the game because this video is clear evidence that he is willing to lie to the developers by claiming to be the original owner of another account that he clearly never did own to get records removed out of spite.
BlackQ is a prick, so I'm not trying to defend them at all - but most competitive games would consider the permaban to be against the person, not the account. That is a valid complaint.
@@Lukeno52 There seems to be no evidence what so ever that 92BOB is cheating, so why would, or should, it matter if someone who previously cheated might be playing on that account?
@@Soonjai I'm not saying 92BOB should be removed - that's not the point I was making. The point I was making is that Nadeo's policy is the opposite one to that used by most competitive games, nothing more than that.
@@Lukeno52 arguing that Nadeo's policy should be the opposite is arguing that it matters that the person is banned in addition to the account. nothing less than that, because that is the policy of said other games you are comparing against..
@@Lukeno52 Which competitive games permaban players rather than accounts?
6:20 In this screenshot it says that 92BOB’s account was geographically set to Hauts-de-Seine, France. It is very common for French people on the Internet to include the number associated with their home department (a French administrative subdivision) in their username, and the number for Hauts-de-Seine is 92. If this is truly Riolu’s alt account, that would mean that he registered it on a whim in 2008 while having knowledge of French internet username conventions, crafted the account information to corroborate the username by setting it to the right department, and dug it up a decade later to make a silent point. I find this theory highly unlikely.
you can manually pick the region you want, + the current player on 92BOB account isnt the original owner
it's not only unlikely but also incredibly dumb
@@MizuTMThank you for your answer. I don’t understand from the video what proves that the current owner of the account is not the original one. I haven’t played TMNF in forever so I don’t remember how the account system works; can just anyone reclaim an inactive account?
@@mx-futhark I made research back when BOB appeard and I found the original owner of the account, a random casual player, then it was transfered to Vince from airven team, so imo no link to riolu
@@mx-futhark Back then in the ladder community people would give each other access to each other's accounts all the time. Whoever is playing on 92bob account now almost certainly isn't the one who originally made it.
doxxing someone with the intention of getting their records removed and then describing it as "sneaky and clever" is so weird man. blackq should be banned from playing this game on any account
Bruh he barely did anything. He just wanted to confirm the country. Literally nothing bad would have happened if it worked
@@talosgak1236 "He would only get all his information what bad could it be"
Bro are you serious or are you the USA government's president.
Either way privacy should be respected and phishing is illegal in many countries so I would not recommend doing it.
@@mantaminer6669 Just to clarify, an IP address doesnt really help you get any information beyond what city/ region I'm connecting to the internet in, and maybe identify which internet service provider I'm using. Seriously, its not that deep. Certainly not doxxing or geting any personal information.
impersonating 92BOB to get nadeo to remove all his records however, that was a dick move.
He literally tried to impersonate him bro wtf are you on? Then tries to dox him@@talosgak1236
He never doxxed the guy btw. You can argue he may have if he had the chance, but you need to actually get personal information to reveal it.
disguising an ip grabber link as a rickroll link is a weird move
probably so that the people watching cant easily use it themselves in a malicious way
@@SCTrooper17 would you click on an obvious rickroll link
@@VMan_2002 no, i meant so that if the real link was shown in the video - and not the rickroll link- it could be used for malicious purposes
@@SCTrooper17$l[a link goes here]man i wonder how you can type links in trackmania$l
@@SCTrooper17 links are not implied by just writing them (you use $L to define a link)
Wirtual on stream in Jan: I'm doing being involved in drama Wirtual's youtube in Feb: Let's see if someone can doxx this dude for playing trackmania
Glad to see people are condemning blackq's behavior. Having such a disrepect for people's most basic privacy, on top of not respecting TOS - the literal rules of the game, is crazy. Doxxing + hacking tentative by social engineering + phishing link... How far can you go still thinking you're the good guy of the situation?
Blackq the real villain in this story.
i thought he was sneaky and clever. ah the plot twist
Yeah and Wirtual is no better either. It was a real shame to watch this whole video. Extremely petty.
@@loczek25853yeah.
@@hussssshie If I sent a message to your boss and pretended it was you and got you fired, would that be villainous, or "sneaky and clever" ?
@@Reelix i was being sarcastic. both blackq and wirtual need therapy.
92BOB is indeed the infamous 2b2t grieffer popbob
I'm not a fan of this video, it looks like a witchhunt more than anything. Though you do not endorse Blackq actions you still give him publicity. This isn't really about 92BOB but about whether or not Riolu is still playing the game, which is something you seem to view as a bad thing.
seriously bro, the guy is throwing a tantrum like an autistic kid thinking "nooooo riolu shouldn't be allowed to play :(((" even though he never even competed with riolu, he doesn't even set world records anymore so i don't get why he's holding a grudge.
@@qoxx I don't know if I agree with that or not (not relevant to this reply), but I'm curious what you mean by "throwing a tantrum like an autistic kid". To be clear I'm not offended by it, I'm just curious what you were trying to compare to.
(context - I'm autistic, so I both have trouble understanding this kind of statement, and also have the curiosity to want to understand it)
@@circuitgamer7759In the older days of gaming, kids that didn't get enough attention from their parents called other kids autistic or retarded whenever they disagreed with them. Unfortunately, many of those kids grew up physically, but not really mentally, so they still think it's an extremely funny word to use.
@@circuitgamer7759i have an autistic brother and i kinda understand what they are talking about when they say this. If my brother sets his mind to something then there is no convincing him. He only says "no" but cannot give anyone any reason why he does that. He just set his mind and there's nothing we as family can do.
Maybe they mean that Wirtual is the same. He set his mind on Riolu being evil and so there's no convincing and Riolu will always be evil in Wirtual's mind.
preach
Why would it be so bad if it is Riolu? Even if he cheated, like, he's been thoroughly punished for it, loosing basically all his standing and livelihood. There really is no reason it would be bad if he just competed fairly for his own satisfaction again. Like, whoever this is is clearly not interested in interacting with anyone. Trying to "expose" them feels really fucking iffy.
if you don't want to be banished from a community, don't violate its rules. if you do, the community might kick you out and not let you back
@@sunofabeach9424 Yeah but this isn't the community, it's the game. The TM speedrun community doesn't own trackmania. It's completely legit for someone to play trackmania and ignore the community, as long as they stick to the rules of the game.
@@toboterxp8155 in a perfect world, yes. But sometimes the community takes action. And sometimes, even if this action isn't justified or seems illegal, a company should listen to the community and try to deescalate the situation instead of giving a default company response and turning a blind eye to the issue.
It is completely legit by company's rules to cheat for a decade, deny all accusations, get caught in the end, then without so much as an apology just create another account and keep playing. And it is completely understandable that the community disagrees.
Keep in mind that cheaters exposure in 2021 was pulled off by the community. The difference is that in 2021 the community succeded. If these accusations weren't true, it would be called a witchhunt and an angry mob would demand an apology from Wirtual personally
@@toboterxp8155weird how everyone is ignoring the fact nadeo, the creators of the game, are fine with this player.
@brandonrussell7302 the problem is not that he is playing the game, but that he is on the lesderboard
This video is insane. First of all the phishing link is out of this world insane and admitting it on RUclips is hilarious. Secondly, this is a video game guys. Ubisoft already said that the runs aren't cheated so if it is riolu, who cares? He isn't even bragging about doing it without cheats. He is just completely off of the grid. Its not like he is a pedo (at least to my knowledge) and is still in the community or something.
Well he takes the prestigeous number one spot fron all the legit people who deserve it
@@Bankmumric If he is first and drove legit runs, he deserve it. Don't get emotional 🤣
@@tarpeg We dont know if hes legit, all we know is that hes a no namer and the anti cheat didnt detect him cheating. That doesnt mean hes not cheating.
@@Bankmumric Is there a rule that says you have to introduce yourself to the whole community, otherwise you're a cheater? You are exaggerating.
Exactly, first time disliking Wirtual's video as this is just failed attempt to DOX someone. Blackq is an absolute crybaby who isn't able to legitimately achieve better times so he must takedown someone's else time. I really didn't enjoy this video. Even if the account is indeed owned by Riolu, I don't think anything in this video was morally ok. I do not support Riolu's cheating, but enough is enough.
It's funny how Riolu is mindbreaking the entire trackmania elite just by doing nothing and is now the scapegoat for everything.
New player gets records? Riolu. Got chased by a dog? Riolu. Power outage? Riolu. The milk went bad? Riolu? You fell down the stairs and started sliding in mayonnaise? Riolu.
Or maybe Zoom was Riolu all along.
You got a like for that mayonnaise part.
This shit was so funny
I mean, Riolu didn't really do himself any favors. He denied everything, lied numerous times, was belligerent towards his accusers, and then when he was finally proven to be cheating beyond any doubt, he just vanished and said nothing. No apology, no contrition, no admission that what he did or said was wrong in any way, nothing.
I'm not of the opinion that Riolu should be excommunicated permanently, but I mean, Riolu also handled the leadup to his exit about as badly as he possibly could, and has made no statement since then that could help him begin to be welcomed back.
@@upliftstv "I mean, Riolu didn't really do himself any favors. He denied everything, lied numerous times, was belligerent towards his accusers, and then when he was finally proven to be cheating beyond any doubt, he just vanished and said nothing. No apology, no contrition, no admission that what he did or said was wrong in any way, nothing." get a life bud, no one who has a life actually gives a shit about "riolu this, riolu that" wah wah wah wah wah wah wah, holy shit pull your head out of your ass.
Don't forget covid.
1. IP grabbing is highly unethical and probably illegal, it's not "clever and sneaky".
2.The only concrete information about 92BOB is his records are legit, and conformed to be a person by Nadeo. Nadeo protecting users privacy is completely fine.
3.This video is highly focused on insinuating 92BOB is Riolu, yet not a single evidence.
4.Painting 92BOB as the cheater, and saying the community "conquered" it is just awful.
5.Skillpoints is a in-game point, not a community leaderboard like other games speedrun, even if 92BOB is Riolu, it is in his every right to upload his records. He shouldn't be banned for it, trackmania is just unique that competitive speedrun leaderboards isn't entirely driven by community. Most you can do is take his name off every community made leaderboard.
6.And now imagining how bad Riolu's life is? What a disgusting take.
Entire act is a witch hunt that already crossed the line. This video just add saltiness to it, you're just mad that you can't change Nadeo policies into your favor
Riolu lives in Wirtuals head rent free
Fr. Wirtual is incredibly salty in this video. I feel like the community needs to ban him from participating in events for a while just so he could gain a little empathy.
that last part showing riolu alone in his room grinding world records was completely unnecessary.
also this is basically a 17 minute click bait video that could have been 3 seconds long saying: "We don't know"...
So true, he needs to see this.
I agree other then the conquered point. It's completely fine to "conquer" a cheater. Life isn't so soft that we need to respect cheaters
What blackq did is completely unacceptable, and it is extremely cringe that you did not explicitly condemn it Wirtual.
Would you have known about it if not from Wirtual making this video? Wirtual did his part, it is to the viewers to make their own decisions with that information.
pinned comment
@@alexandrel4569 youre suggesting wirtual simply reported pure facts to his viewers and didnt add his own opinion to them
maybe he condones it :P
Why does it need to explicitly condemn it if its so obviously bad only a moron could mistake this for supporting blackq?
>climbnig the leader boards in record speed
>nobody knows who he is
Most definitely Mufat from Türkiye.
Come home from working at uncle's Anatolian kebab shop > sit down at PC > cat on lap > time to game TrackMania for six hours > go to bed > wake up ready to go to work > repeat. Sounds like a comfy life to be sure
@@hairy_putinwhat the fuck did I just read and how is that important
If you don't wash you hands before the night time routine, the process of orienting and creating the perfect recipe of school time weed and scissors is getting wildly out of hands. So you better clean them!
who is Mufat? (go on, hit me)
@@sunofabeach9424 uhm... *bashes your face in*
what an odd request
Went from “we exposed cheaters and made the community better” to “we are a cult that doesn’t care about people’s privacy and demand to know who and where they are because we don’t like that this person didn’t cheat but is better than us.”
well said. shows the cheater expose was never about cleaning up the leaderboards for the greater good but about $$$ and $$$ only
This has to be the low point in terms of video concepts in the last few years. I took you for a guy who provides insight along with facts this lacked the latter. Hopefully upcoming videos will have facts alongside evidence.
issue is that riolu was wirts irl friend, that betrayed him in the worst possible way. so a personal note isnt avoidable when talking about this subject.
@@SimonBauer7 wirtual aims for unbiased and informative documentary styled videos. so yes, avoiding adding a personal note is to be expected
@@SimonBauer7then he shouldn't make a video about it.
Simple as that.
Saying that top trackmania players are happy seeing others doing well at 6:55 and then endorsing a doxxing attempt at 13:24 since you don't know who 92BOB or how he is so good, leading you to the idea that he must be a smurf or a cheat that you then push the idea to your large fanbase.
Looks pretty hypocritical to me.
I mean, put simply, some random person does not just come along and take every single record immediately. This is a game series that takes at least a few years to get to the point where you can do that, and that is accounting for prodigies. That being said, it's a video game and that dude is an absolute loser for trying to invade 92BOB's privacy.
@@TheCursedJudge While I agree that there is reason to be suspicious, my main reason of concern is that there is no smoking gun. Without one undeniable and irrefutable piece of evidence, it makes the whole video come off as petty and vindictive to me.
The possibility that 92BOB is actually an innocent player is too high for me to justify a video of this type.
@@durrnery2people can express opinions about who this player is without a smoking gun. there are reasons to think the account is an alt and reasons to think it is not. this video does not tell people to go harass bob, it just informs.
there is nothing hypocritical about this video. you gloss over the whole entire video that explains why people are suspicious of bob. this is only hypocritical if the community believes bob is a new player, this video shows why many in the community believe this to now be a newcomer. don’t just hate on a video for talking about a contentious topic. also please learn what hypocritical means.
How in the world did he endorse it? Jesus christ, the leaps in logic some of you guys are making in these comments.
This video adds nothing.
Wirtual just comes of as a salty b*tch who will hold a grudge forever and Blackq as a psychopath engaged in a witch hunt. If anyting, this made me sympathetic for riolu since this shows he is truly passionate about his hobby and just wants to enjoy the game by himself.
Also, 92Bob has been the most checked player regarding cheating for over 2 years and nothing was ever found. His records are legit until proven otherwise and he obviously doesn't want to interact with the community - so just let him be.
yeah after this video may be theres a reason he doesnt want to...
Exactly. Literal invisible witch hunt.
Curiosity has its limits and it's getting morbid. Documentary are supposed to be completely neutral but he's throwing salt on a closed wound for no hecking reason.
Call a spade a spade, Wirtual is a drama farming salty b*tch
It's not that Wirtual is even salty, I feel like it's moreso that he's arrogant about being right that Riolu was cheating. He's been milking the joke ever since then which just isn't something you do as someone who was supposedly "really close friends" with that person.
Whatever the case, Wirtual doesn't seem to be the patron saint everyone makes him out to be.
This video comes off as extremely petty Wirtual
Him being the one who exposed them makes this all make sense
Most people don't know that Wirtual was stirring up drama and purposely being inflammatory towards Riolu on twitter the week leading up to the report dropping. If he'd just limited contact and waited for the report to come out, he would have came across much better than he did. Him being petty here absolutely reflects his actions back then. If 92BOB is Riolu, then at least Riolu has actually grown as a person lmao
This video does more to show the toxic nature of the Trackmania community than anything else and shows that Wirtual is caught up in it as well. It's really telling with the armchair psychoanalyzing of Riolu in this video. This video assumes it's not worth playing the game at a high level unless you have the community's support. If 92BOB is really Riolu, then it actually shows that cheating was not a factor in what made him a great player. The speed at which he took back the top spot shows that he was as good as he claimed to be. It should be a great story to see a man prove himself, but the Trackmania community will only see it as a good story if they bend the knee first as Neko did.
That’s a really fucking weird take. These guys cheated for years and pushed legitimate records from the top, reaping the rewards and praise. You’re damn right people should be suspicious of any future records. And if someone wants to be part of a community, there’s nothing unreasonable in expecting contrition after cheating and lying like that.
I think your creepy opinion that people should feel obliged to warmly welcome back someone without expecting some sense of repentance and change in behaviour is the toxic one.
@@sullenpuffin well bobs records are not cheated, so is that change in behavior?
@@sullenpuffin Riolu would have to apologize and make amends if he wanted to get back into the Trackmania Community, it is also fine and respectable for him to go his own way in exile and start a new account. The real problem is that people in the Trackmania Community don't even want Riolu to play the game if he really is 92BOB. 92BOB has not sought any praise or privilege for his demonstrated success, so he is causing no problem. This is a perfectly fine outcome for a cheater that all parties should agree to.
For all we know, the cheating is just more sophisticated now. Perhaps there’s a way to play in slow motion and still take advantage of improved reaction times, but it’s possible to spoof the controller inputs so that they behave as if being played at normal speed. If (big if) Bob is Riolu, the fact that he’s back at the top in suspicious circumstances is sketchy. I think people deserve a second chance, but also deserve to be treated with a little wariness.
But for all I know, Bob is just a random talented player who’d prefer to remain anon.
The point I was making is that it’s not unreasonable for the community to expect someone who has cheated to show some respect and pay their dues before being welcomed back. Accusing the community of being toxic for not blindly welcoming cheaters back just creates a place where cheaters will thrive.
@@sullenpuffinbut obviously Bob doesn't want do be part of the community. Dudes just playing the game.
It IS unreasonable by the community to except that everyone has to be part of the community. And if you don't want to be part of the community they will start a which hunt.
Ok wow, that Summoning Salt style suits you incredibly well. The 10 seconds asking 'who is 92Bob are some of the best editing I've seen in a while'.
Might be an unpopular opinion, but I believe this should be left in the past. Let's focus on the future and make the game & the TM community even greater.
agreee
i saw summoning salt for the first time a few months ago and thought "is this guy copying Wirtuals video style?"
then i realized the upload dates and facepalmed over myself
Can't blame you, both are speedrunning channels, both are quite similar too@@jackivan7632
Judging by the rest of the comments section, I think this might be the popular opinion aha
True, didn't think of that when writing it. Simply spoke what's on my mind@@aaront3049
I do believe 92Bob is Riolu aswell, and I'm not gonna lie, I LOVE IT
The fact that he got rank 1 whil being 100% legit this time is a great redemption arc in my opinion, I wish he didn't vanished back then and admited his mistake.
That being said, how CRINGE is it for the other guy to try to ERASE those legit records??? Has he never done mistakes himself? Does he know anything about FORGIVING people? Doesn't he thinks that Riolu making thousands every month from streaming and now went back to a "real" more difficult job is a good enough punishment for his mistakes?
Thousands?
@@Nickbaldeagle02 He had a lot of subs on twitch, + donations + sponsors, so yeah he definetly made 2000$+ to at least make a living out of it
sadly its not riolu, BOB claps with ease the old cheated of riolu that he grinded for a decade, BOB is the among the GOATS of united
@@Nickbaldeagle02he was one of the biggest TM creators then
blackq actually committing cybercrimes to try to expose someone on a leaderboard in a video game is bonkers
If it is riolu, and the runs aren't cheated, then hats off to him, he did a comeback.
If it is an anonymous player, and he doesn't want to be part of the community, there is no problem with that. It is just about the motivation of the other players and their ego, let's not try to take down a humble person
No, he didnt as he just vanished and lied to everyone else when the drama boomed.
If he would said "yes, i cheated" and then do that sheeesh on Bobs account, he literally would became even stronger person in TM world than he ever was. But he just lied to everyone that he is innocent. Its so freakin dissapointing and he shouldnt be praised or anything like that. Just look what Neko did - he admitted immediately, and with time flying he proved to everyone else - even prove to himself that he is capable to be the rank 1 without the cheats.
@@TheRonaldo985 I didn't said that he did something good, obviously cheating and not being responsible of his acts was a pure a-hole move, especially because he was part of the community and built a career out of it, but if he is 92bob and if he didn't cheated, that is still impressive to be in the top spot.
Tbh I'd love if 92Bob was just a random guy enjoying the game.
@@francoisleboiswhether he admitted to cheating or not, he was still punished for it. All his runs made while cheating were removed and his account was banned. He had to start back at square one just like everyone else.
The fact that he is doing it honestly this time proves that he saw error in his ways and has made an effort to change and is just too ashamed and/or prideful to face the community.
who would want to be a part of a community like this tho?
@@TheRonaldo985 wah wah wah. no one cares.
You should delete this video. I clicked on this video thinking "If he uploaded a video about 92BOB on his main channel, it must be some actual news about who it is." And part of the way through the video I was convinced you were going to reveal that you got in contact with them and that they were or were not Riolu. The fact that the video did not have any new revelations, and just speculates without showing us any concrete evidence is ridiculous (Maybe some visual examples of his "similar tendecies and habbits" would help).
I feel like this video is petty, driven by negative feelings that should be processed and left in the past years ago, and that you are perpetuating a witch hunt for whoever 92BOB is. And that's without going into the ick I think a lot of people in these comments are feeling with how you portrayed Blackq's actions as clever and then how you portrayed "Riolu" in the end as some sad sack for getting to the top of the leaderboards seemingly legitimately.
You cannot post a video millions of people will see that spends it's entire time vilifying your theory of who 92BOB is and think that saying "That is just my opinion" and editing your pinned comment will somehow stop people from harrassing 92BOB. I'm genuinely dissapointed in this upload. I don't understand what positive this video will do by existing. I can confidently say that after this upload if Riolu is 92BOB then I respect him more than you for getting back to the top of the leaderboards legitimately and silently.
This is the best, most nuanced comment I’ve seen on the video so far.
Well said man
Exactly what i felt after watching this video, great comment
Yup, same thought, upvote so wirt sees this comment
Totally agree. Thanks for saying it better than me
Can't say I liked this video. Feels like a bit of an asshole thing to do to hound someone who at this point is doing nothing wrong. At the same time as you completely forgot to condemn the action of someone who directly cheated, falsely represented their identity (this might actually be criminal depending on where he is located) and attempted to dox someones information (which may also be criminal). All because they want to stay anonymous.
If this is riolu, why not leave him be? Whats wrong with him playing for his own? Why put it down to him "sitting in his his apartment [...] trying to prove something to himself [...] so that he can finally move on" while showing a picture of some sad person sitting alone in front of a TV.
I am not defending anything that Riolu did. But this doesn't feel like a useful documentary. This feels vengeful and spiteful.
Cheaters have to deal with the consequences. Especially since Riolu purposefuly lied to the entire community. Or do you want Wirtual to praise him for what he did? In OTB chess, if you get caught cheating, your career is completely over. Should be the same in Trackmania, since it ruins the leaderboard integrity, also it influences honest players' status, viewership and finiancial profits.
@@adomaskuzinas2137sorry this is idiotic. He did very much pay for the cheating. He‘s an outcast, his reputation in shambles.
that is punishment enough
@@adomaskuzinas2137 Then make a video about that. Make a video about Nadeo policy. That is absolutely fine.
But thats not what Wirual has done here. This is not a video about policy or rules.
This is a video that seemingly starts out with the question "The mystery of 92Bob", and end with the conclusion "Riolu is an asshole".
The video achieves nothing outside of being a distasteful bashing of Riolu. There is no qualitative content in here. There is no conclusion or call to action.
This video is essentially a hate mail to Riolu. Nothing else.
I dont get how you find this “vengefull”. Wirtual didnt really say subjective things apart from 14:58 around-ish. It was a video about the mystery and theory about riolu being that mysterious player. 14:58 was what he thinks about Riolu, which is fair and he hasnt gone too far with the things he said. I would say that Riolu has gone too far lying to everyone and being a jerk to Wirtual even tough he tried to stay civil during the scandal. I have to say i agree with @adomaskuzinas2137
I agree, feels like this is just a spiteful hit at riolu, with absolutely no evidence. Whether it is his or not, why’s it anyone else’s business. Wirtual seems a bit insecure about the whole riolu thing, like riolu owes him something. Just comes across very toxic and out of nature.
Big thumbs down for wirtual on this one
So, if I even become good enough to be on the leaderboard, ‘the community’ needs to know who I am? 😮
Yea? I mean, Either 92bob is the living embodiment of privacy man, or just riolu.
Honestly this video is a terrible idea as it could lead to the doxxing of a random trackmania player who was just trying to have fun playing the game anonymously.
Even worse.
This video is actively endorsing this behavior.
@@Jehty_Read the pinned comment
@@VitaeLibra quite a few don't read comments and he could have easily said that in the video it self, but he didn't.
@@Jehty_ Endorsing how, exactly?
@@AfonsoCL not sure I agree completely with the person you asked the question to, but it's probably because he called "clever" the guy who tried identity theft with random dude playing a racing video game
I'm a big fan of yours but this video lacks perspective and is an incredibly bad look.
Everything up to Nadeo investigation was fine, but everything beyond that is unhinged. The way it's presented is not okay.
The entire rest of the video should be focused on how horrible Blackq's actions were. Not some witch hunt into this person.
I also don't get the ending of the video. Just because someone doesn't want an online presence/following doesn't mean they're a sad basement dweller as you imply
Well put, Wirtual's silence about this video doesn't make it any better. He could at least apologize.
Yeah, why should he care wth is riolu doing in his spare time? Hes a grown ass man like wirtual, why is it a bad look if he plays the game?
Why would you be a fan of a cheater who tries to act better by exposing other cheaters?
Yeah I really didn't feel good at the end of the video, 92bob should be left alone whether it's riolu or not.
@@Dalroc Wirtual isn't a cheater, he just made a really bad mistake in this video and should appologize.
Sane take: violating personal privacy laws in order to call out cheaters in a video game is immoral and not worth promoting in a RUclips video
Hes just explaining what he did
wasnt a promotion. it played a part in the story and he was explaining it.
Promotion where? He is stating it happened. Would you rather he pretend it didn't happen?
Guys calling his methods “clever and sneaky” is clearly not talking down on what he did (13:25). When you call something clever, that’s CLEARLY PRAISE
@@sevargan2415 I disagree. Being "clever and sneaky" can be easily applied to many evil people and their actions; both fictional and real life.
Although a characteristic of "clever and sneaky" might have a more positive tone, it doesn't automatically promote or advocate any of these actions
Real life example:
Many corrupt politicians were clever. Their actions of hiding it were definitely sneaky and creative. Even when you discover truth about their evil actions you can still say "wow, that was a clever move, I could never think of something like that. It's absolutely horrible, but god damn was it clever "
If Riolu is 92BOB and is grinding out the maps legit then this is pretty respectable
Yeah, I mean he certainly shouldn't be harassed. Still pretty gross how Riolu cheated and lied for years, was belligerent towards his accusers, and then just ran when the evidence was too much for him to gaslight his way out of. The fact that Wirt's video is in poor taste, and the fact that BlackQ is an insane person, does not change the facts about Riolu's behavior lol.
calling a phishing attempt to dox a seemingly innocent guy "clever" is such an asshole move, you know. I'd say it's worse than cheating in a video game. the guy could just be a random talent but since you're confident that he's riolu then anything is acceptable . but what do I know? apparently you need to be good at the game to have an opinion in this community.
It was clever. It was also creepy and unethical.
@snakesnoteyes sure it's a smart move considering what he wanted. i still don't think wirtual should've said it in an encouraging manner, like he agreed with him. Videogames aren't that serious.
also, i just realized how creepy the TM community is.
- a new player comes out of nowhere
- becomes a complete pro at the game
- "there's no way a noob is better than me" the whole community thinks
- "let's find out who he is using any means necessary"
@@qoxxit was an individual, not the actions of the whole community. That’s so insanely obvious that it’s weird to even say it.
@samkeen 7:45 "the *_community_* wanted answers from the developers"
So even if it Riolu, assuming he is back and not cheating, nor breaking any policies, what is the issue? What he did was wrong absolutely but why can't he be at the top if he's capable? this is just straight toxic
Feels like more a matter of principle. The community was robbed of years of effort, and riolu potentially just making a new account to force respect from those people (even if it is anonymously) is kinda wack. I personally don't think he deserves respect if these are his records even if they are legit
Is he not cheating? Or have we just not found out how he is cheating yet.
"assuming he is back and not cheating.." THATS ONE BIG FUCKIN ASSUMPTION DONT YA THINK?
@@Pekara121evidence he is cheating? He has already proved himself as one of the top players through all the live matches he played in
@@Bean._.One doesn't need nor ask respect when playing anonymous.
If it's riolu again. What's wrong cause if he takes the top position without cheating there's nothing wrong
It's just goes to show that he. He is just simply better than others
You can hate a player but you can't deny his skills
Nor should you stop him from playing . Cause he is the best
I remember wirtual saying on stream : I want 2024 to be a year without drama.
Then he just makes up some drama 2 months into 2024
"I want 2024 without drama _except when it drives up engagement metrics_"
You mean you guys made it dramatic because he called getting someones ip "clever and sneaky"
@@ramensales3967 This whole video is dramatic. Witch hunting someone just because hes an "outcast that doesnt link with our mob community" is creepy, let people be.
@@jefferson2214 Wirtual didn't start the witchhunt though, the community did. Sure you could argue he is encouraging it somewhat but clearly people arent receiving the video that way
@@ramensales3967 hey uh, are you an idiot? he didn't say that he started the witch-hunt. he is actively participating in it. maybe English isn't your first language. feelsbadman.
I think Wirts disdain for Riolu clouded his judgement a bit here
As 92 represents the region "Hauts-de-Seine" in France (where the account is located), it makes it clear that the person behind the account has knowledge about it. I don't think a 12 years old german riolu would think that far back in 2008, as you cannot change your ID in trackmania
This is a good point, but there is also an option that this account was just bought in 2021 for few dollars by some new non-French user.
Hi, i am French and i live in Bas-Rhin (67) 🤣
I'm 92bob I just don't tell anyone because I'm also selling 92tons of crystal meth every week
I thought other users changed their names to some version of Number+Bob?
what is even the point of this video? that some high rank player "seems" to be riolu? if they want to remain anonymous, they have every right to do so, regardless of if they are a new or already known player. they are not breaking nadeo's rules--whether you think those rules are "good" or not does not justify attempting to phish/dox anyone (or making a video that could potentially start a witch-hunt).
very disappointing to see something like this come from one of (if not THE) largest voices in the trackmania community.
This video should've focused on all calling out blackq, not riolu. The riolu drama is pretty dusted at this point, but blackq's actions should be explicitly called out. The lack of perspective in this video is just disappointing.
Exactly.
I didn't even know Riolu before Wirtul's video in 2021, because I'm not much into Trackmania. Ending your career like that is really unfortunate. But the analogy of him being in his room and playing Trackmania went too far.
"can't let pride cloud your jedgement"... regardless if this player is cheating or not, maybe a person forming part of the community's confirmation bias, going on a witchunt and actively trying to breech their privacy is pretty bloody toxic
You can clearly feel that Wirtual is emotionally connected to Riolu.
He wants to win so badly and make him feel terrible.
Wirtual think he is griffith
@@ragey2214Wirtual think he Griffith and guts when he neither
This whole video is pathetic
Riolu insulted Wirtual publicly, so I do understand that Wirtual doesn't like Riolu. But his career is already ruined, so that should be enough. Maybe they had more contact privately, so who knows.
Cheater vs Cheater lol
imagine 92bob is just some dude playing TM in his off time unaware of the larger community
Wirtual: I want 2024 without drama
First video in 2024:
(Also, please leave Riolu alone)
Lambe bolas
Damn so we just phishing people now?
How about you post about 92bob when you have some data that he cheated?
Or if you have proof it's someone.
Such a non story here except for the nasty attacks and phishing for data.
I think it might be riolu. But also truth is that this investigation and your video made Trackmania blow up. You might have someone who after 7 years remembered: "I used to play this, let's see if it still is fun" and getting into it very seriously.
I wondered this as well. What I think makes it less likely is the sudden improvement in skill. It takes time to be that good at the game and bob was not there back when they last uploaded records.
@@galois6569tbf outside of some specific tricks, trackmania still is a kinda normal racing game. So he may have played other games under a different username (mine in trackmania is also different from Most platforms) that gave him a good General skill at racing games, which combined with the purge of all the cheated records may enable someone to rise quickly
For those interested, 92BOB still anonymous, and neko is a top campaign hunter and almost undisputedly best desert car player (legit of course)
Unless you catch them cheating on the new account, it's (literally) fair game. Otherwise you can just accuse anyone of being a cheater to try and invalidate their records.
I agree. He's playing legit and crushing it, let the person enjoy the game. They clearly went too far, even if it's Riolu, as long as he's legit it's all good
I think they are just trying to figure out who he is
@@someguy12901 why
@@KappaChiino because at the moment we seem to know 92bob is not cheating but we don’t know who he is and how he is at the top of the leaderboards
Ironically, this video is only going to let Riolu know he is generally forgiven by the greater TM Community if he's back to being a beast (legitimately this time). This might just be the video that brings him back 😂
Exactly what I am thinking! These comments make it really clear that Most people would be on his side now again if je comes back. If it actually is him that is.
If this was his way of getting back into the game to prove himself after cheating it’s somewhat respectable. Even though he didn’t apologise, if he does eventually say yup Bob is me and I’m sorry for cheating I think some people would forgive him.
I still think it would’ve been a lot better if he had just apologised straight after being caught and hadn’t lied about it
@@yanste3349 I don't think most people would be on his side lol. Riolu handled the cheating situation about as badly as he possibly could have. He cheated multiple WRs, lied about it when accused, trashed his accusers, gaslit his fans, and then when the evidence was too much to continue denying with bald-faced lies he disappeared with no apology or contrition of any kind. The cheating alone is bad enough, but the way Riolu handled it was extra despicable. Look at Neko for an example of how to recover from cheating. He admitted he cheated, apologized, and committed to returning as a legit player. That's respectable. What Riolu did is not. This video being in awful taste doesn't somehow redeem Riolu.
People love cheaters
Yes the video felt to me like a plea for Riolu to return publicly
13:45 I recognize that youtube link.
Decades of diligent mental focus have made me immune to petty tricks.
8:12 "92BOB's records are not cheated". Well the video and the whole bruhaha should've stopped right there.
FFS even if it was Riolu or whoever, even pro athletes who use illegal substances only get a 2-4 year ban for their first offense, not lifetime.
what... nadeo doesnt ban tge person just the account? thats absurd!? (neko and trabadia chillin catching no heat for also cheating but using different accounts)
@@PoF0200 How would they even ban the person, given how anonymous the internet is?
@magicmulder ip bans exist (then again so do vpns but its the best ive got)
@@PoF0200 IP bans make little sense, eg Deutsche Telekom gives you a new IP every 24 hours.
Honestly hope someone sues blackq for phishing. Disgusting dude
might go ahead and sue wirtual for defaming innocent people, poor bob
If Bob really is a coincidental different player that wants to remain chill then its very sad he even tried to be phished to be exposed
@@supersuede91 yeah 100%. I've been following Wirt for a couple of years now but this video felt like an odd addition to his main channel. Behind the nice editing and such what we have is no real answer, and the conclusion making me almost feel like he's sure he's right about his guess and is trying to bait Riolu out
92bob quit playing 1 year ago, this video is just a story and wirtual doesn't endorce any actions that blackq did. 😊
The video should have ended when he said "Nadeo has confirmed 92bob is legit".@@limitlesscord7319
You are aware that what's described in this video, if true, could be considered a crime, right? And I don't think you even realized that until reading some of the comments.
Link thing you might be able to explain to court if set up right, but the contacting Nadeo is pure computer fraud. Without single question.
This video is revolting. I've seen fun videos about mysterious players that talk about the mystery around them whilst still supporting them, and I thought this would be the same, but this is just a smear campaign against a guy who may not even be Riolu. At best this is a petty bit of revenge against someone who seems to want to move on, but it is just as easily an attack against some random person.