Chomsky on having a job
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
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The people who are responding to this (in a non-joking way) believing that Chomsky is justifying not working are missing the point. Inherently, people *want* to participate in society. In non-capitalistic societies, people still work and contribute--they just don't do it while having all their time and activities dictated by a company.
I believe he further elaborates in another conversation with an analogy of growing food for yourself vs others. Where for yourself it feels a bit more like leisure because you understand you're doing it for you. whereas for someone else you don't have that euphoric feeling of "if i get better it'll be better for me"
The big issue with his point here is it ignores starting your own business as an option. That and obviously you can pick your job far more directly than you can pick your government. Noam is obviously well aware of both of these points as they are core to his Anarcho-Syndicalist beliefs, however Noam is never against contradicting himself to sound more persuasive.
No. Chomsky is trying to get us to the point where we still contribute to society, but using our talents. When you exercise your talent to the benefit of others, you are happy and fullfilled.
Well, tell me: in non-capitalistic societies, who or what dictates people's time and activities?
@@corylong5808still even as your own business you can not escape to be enslaved by the government. In a socialist system this reality be worse
When Chomsky says it, he's a genius.
When I say it I'm a lazy bum.
Nah he’s a lazy bum
You demand the opinion of slaves.
Chumpsky is a lazy bum. He feels the same way about bathing as he does about working.
"The bath tub is a totalitarian fascist, because if I don't bath I stink."
@@aek12 Years of slavery make slaves psychologically ill and cause them to invent a fantasy world, where the slave-masters are good guys. The goal in life becomes serving the slave-masters ideas with the end goal of getting a higher position as a slave, which naturally most often is just an empty and meaningless dream, which even if it comes true, does not bear any good fruit for society as a whole. Anything contradicting the slave-masters is seen as a threat for the created fantasy world. The slaves fear the slave-masters very much and don't want to lose their low position.
Don't get cute ... fair point tho.
When your dad asks you to mow the lawn
Didn't think I'd be seeing a fresh comment from this channel here
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@@plneet3504 In general they do like to go to right wing events and show what ridiculous things happen there but I don't know if it's fair to call that left wing propaganda
@@liammckenna1479 NEUTRAL COVERAGE OF RIGHT-WING EXTREMISM IS LEFT PROPAGANDA
He isn't objecting to work, he is objecting to compelled work.
*Me at Thanksgiving when my family asks if I've gotten a job yet*
Why haven’t you? Fucking loser scourge of society
Lol
Go work ya bum. It'll give you a sense of independence and some money to spend. You don't want to buy stuff on your own????
Wild to have 500+ thumbs ups and only 2 replies counting mine.
Lmfao
Me: I promise I won't get all political
*Two beers later*
Lmfao! Bingo.
azan
Oh Rufous yep that's me to a tee.....except vino instead of beer normally. Stay passionate, get angry sometimes but laugh wholeheartedly above all else. Peace.
Ive been aware of this since childhood. It was clear to me even then. And my entire life ive been ridiculed for it. Ive had a job since my teenage years. Im not lazy. I just don't think our mission here on earth is to voluntarily enslave ourselves to capitalism. If that makes me crazy, lazy, or unrealistic, then I guess that's what i am
Sheeeeet, partner. It's does not take much to state that our mission is not trading our precious time for comfort (or even necessities). But what is your mission? This is the question that broke many who were greater than you and me. Submitting yourself to capitalism, even when you are on top of it, it the ultimate escape. Worst case scenario you just bish and moan for a couple of years after you hit your middle age. But going outside this existing framework will make your whole life a one long spiritual battle. The choice is yours, but anticipate even greater tall that you'd normally expect.
You think working equals to be a slave of capitalism?? Man you must think outside of the box for a minute, who says that is your mission on earth?? You??
@@user-pm8je4fo7e Absolutely correct, sir. Sadly.
@@dylancounte1448 You're absolutely correct. Just standing up and walking to the bathroom and sitting down to drop a deuce involves an incredible amount of labor. Gravity ensures that absolutely nobody makes it through this life without working hard. But you're conflating two separate arguments --neither of which have much to do with wage slavery, which is what I'm talking about and what the video is about. It's not about working. It's about having a job. Absolutely everyone does and everyone must work. Period, as you say.
@@dylancounte1448 Did you even watch the video, my friend? Because if you had watched it and knew what was being discussed here you would not be so hopelessly confused. Good day.
Being employed is the most humiliating experience besides being enslaved. And so common too!
Im crying. So true
When you are 28 living with your parents and your mom tells you to get a job:
I prefer Billy Bragg's - "St Monday's Still The Weekend For Me" calling for a 4 day week.
The whole "STILL living with your parents" sillyness should be adressed a little more though. We all know that in different parts of the world we have very different economies and different situations regarding that. So the whole "still with your parents" is a little outdated today as of our economies(especially if you look at the prices of housing and/or apartments) are just different. So it shouldn't be a thing anymore really used to shame or show some kind of lazyness. Not saying people aren't lazy but the picture is a little bigger than that. If you just compare pricing of average wage to regular rent you will see it's not exactly easy to maintain financially. Especially how in most countries food prices have gone up. So some countries (and this has gone down for a decade now) it's actually OK to live with parents untill you have saved up so you can actually afford something. There just is no other way in most. Just look at the UK and how many people and youth are in big debts unable to pay them off and getting their giro right? It's not that simple. And the blame TODAY is mostly on the system and not on the young people who actually do work and just aren't making enough. It's not all black and white anymore. It's shades of grey.
@@Dreamer23245 Bruh it was a joke you didn't have to write a whole paragraph about it
@@NarraJoker12 All the same. My point was we should probably stop using that as a blame, shame or joke. Whatever you wanna call it.
@@Dreamer23245 It's a joke, it's not that deep. Don't try to make it something bigger than it actually is.
Practices to watch out for:
- they employ predominantly teenagers (low wages)
- they offer minimum wages
- zero hour contracts
- they offer only statutory rights (holidays sick pay)
- they're a franchise
- they spend a fortune on advertising
- they are open every day of the year and all hours
- they squeeze out competition
- they're always recruiting
Don't work there, don't spend there, or if you do go there to unionise.
@@kimonodragon9099 Yeah such companies tend to tick more than one box. Time there was a maximum wage or 90% tax bracket at a certain level. Hope you got something better as your actions are a small but vital part of the 99% of democratic process that occurs between voting. We need to protest and thrive.
mate your just describing unskilled work. Why would a job that all 8 billion people in the world and literal machines are capable of doing offer high benefits and wages?
@@waikard267 Because the system collapses without a cycle of people earning money and then spending it. But if robots could do all the work then they only important thing people could do was spend their money at whatever businesses they prefered to.
@@waikard267 Because the market shouldn't dictate who deserves a decent standard of living.
@@jacob8949 deserve got nothing to do with it unfortunately. Survival of the fittest basically. We've traded spears and hunting skills in for high paid skills like coding and law degrees etc. Lot more people on earth equals a lot more competition.
"Yes, you are free to starve." 😂 😂 😂
heard of welfare, this mentality is degeneracy
@@Dutch_Engineer_Piff_Dahnk the problem is lack of consistency. Some towns are much better than others at taking care of their poor and helping with employment even.
Moving out isn't a good solution because oftentimes people don't know that there's better elsewhere especially in a giant country like USA. The risk doesn't outweigh just staying with what you know.
@@krunkle5136 yes you're free to starve is a dishonest emotional argument. Controlling the narrative with a lie.
It's like go outside, look at the primary source.
Many people are listening to a guy and believing everything without thinking or reasearching.
Have you heard of EBT cards?
@@krunkle5136 EBT cards/foodstamps
unemployment was 3.5 % in 2019
You're free to work for a company that treats you well -_-. How did that Venezuela endorsement turn out for ya Chomsky?
The worst is forcing Mothers to work, leaving their babies in someone else's care, then sending multiple billions of dollars into a useless proxy war.
Well people shouldn’t be paying for other people’s children.
Childless people shouldn’t pay for those that did have kids, unless they do so voluntarily through charity.
@@shortchubbyneckbeard1681I agree, but instead of providing aid to needy Americans, our money is going into a black hole, by our corrupt Government. I'd rather it go to help American children. The same corrupt Government promotes fatherless children.
@@shortchubbyneckbeard1681I’m also child-free, but I understand the math. You always pay. Better that it should go to improving your society than addressing it after the fact. Even without a degree in statistics and certification in urban planning, I learned that lesson as a kid just from watching Spiderman.
We're sending weapons to Ukraine not money Russian. Russia can go home if it doesn't want war.
Absolutely. It's all upside-down.
Just being born is the start of it ....dragged into a situation you didn't ask for
You don't like being alive?
Very true. Before I was born I experience zero pain, sadness, fear, regret, loneliness, anger, or exhaustion. It was infinitely more peaceful and better.
necesity is a greedy tyrant
There is absolutely nothing stopping you from achieving non existence right now ! Infact you have my full support to stop your own existence right now, be my guest 👍
@@sam.lipchutzfeel free to not exist again, go right ahead 😂👍
"I have always found it quaint and rather touching that there is a movement in the U.S. that thinks Americans are not selfish enough."
- Christopher Hitchens
Well here comes the movement that thinks jobs are subjugation, and Americans shouldn't have to work for a living
@@Dutch_Engineer_Piff_Dahnk You should be able to live off the land for free and work hard for yourself, preparing for winter and having enough food. But people want everything to be a mall
@@Dutch_Engineer_Piff_Dahnk nice strawman dumbass
@@FardtilUshid you should and corrupt politicians make it increasingly more difficult.
We do know that giant farming companies produce more per sq foot of land.
However i agree people who feel oppressed working for others should work for themselves instead, but western nations aren't equally economically free. Neither side is truly happy with the capitalist system in place
@@WishIWasClever that's literally what people believe....
have you read the green new deal. If you don't work you still get taken care if
The only problem we have today is the amount working hours. I just see no reason, with todays means of machinery, automatization, transport and communication, that we still have to work 40 hour weeks and probably 30% of people do 50+ hour weeks. I just see no reason other than greed and the system's desire to have us not have much free time to question anything or develop ourselves. 30 hour a week should be plenty enough to get everything done not to mention this would obliterate unemployment.
A free man thinks, uses the brain, and they are terrified of that....mind control is their main job.
You articulated well the million dollar question. With all the innovation and automation why are we seemingly more pushed than 50 years ago to make ends meat? The answer is corruption and greed. Our western rulers are more corrupt than is necessary, it needn't be so bad. But it requires a big change
You nailed it. Furthermore if "they" paid more money, part time work would be enough to live on. Inflation is a tax on the poor.
The 40 hour work week is a relic from a 1938 law, the Fair Labor Standards Act.
Shouldn’t humanity seek to work less hours than we did in 1938
@@rickkyi4879 Yes we should. With advent of all this ai and robotics they still dont talk about less hours... They keep saying how unemployment will be a problem but fail to say how less hours could cover that up. They just dont want is to have work life balance, they will instead create the working and non working class.
Anyone stuck working a dangerous job under a fickle boss would argue, yes, they can indeed murder or maim you legally.
Some jobs maybe, most jobs can’t murder you though, however they can take your life…
Most jobs are not that dangerous. More dangerous jobs generally pay more. Don't like the job then leave.
@@tempesta1229this is not a safe space for logic
Driving to work is dangerous anymore.... Wait until there's an accident and your premium goes through the roof, except you're already broke....
@@tempesta1229
the thousands of Congolese kids working in cobalt mines: 🤕
Imagine Noam Chomsky as a 16 year old boy and the narrator as his mom telling him to get a summer job
"Look mom, they want me to 'take the customer's orders'. It's basically chattel slavery all over again".
Except the crux of his argument doesn't apply to 16 year old who has the support of their parents. Your argument is just an ad hominen attempting to characterize anyone criticizing the current structure as childish. The reality is those who respond to cogent criticism in that manner are actually the ones who are childish.
Just keep licking that boot man.
@UCi0uSX-M0wMM_3udGnJwE7Q How is what this guy saying childish and what noam said a critique?
He's not saying we need better wages or rights or that big business gets away with a lot, he's saying that a boss telling you what you can and cannot do is tyrannical and so is having to work to eat. That's something I thought when I was 14 and even then I was smart enough to see through it 😊.
If I fire someone for being high on dope to the point of drooling and face planting in front of customers does that make me a tyrant? I didn't want them to be homeless and starving, I wanted them to have a job and my actions show that because I gave them the job, THEY wanted to be homeless and starve and that shows by their actions.
When I was a teenager I thought to myself "my mom cooks for me everyday and doesn't charge me so it's free right? But it's not because someone had to raise and slaughter that cattle, someone had to package all the food, someone had to drive it to the store, someone had to stock the shelf and my mother (god bless her soul) had to cook it.. all of those somebody's ARE entitled to compensation for their work and I'm NOT entitled to free food.
Soooo, people like noam who say "I shouldn't have to work to not starve" ironically means for them to "not starve" people must do THEIR JOBS haha. I'm sure if all of those previous mentioned someones wanted to be paid for their work they would say "they're tyrants because they would rather us starve and hold society hostage"... How doesn't that end with mass graves?
So to add to the comment above
Noam: "Maaaaa, they don't have my favorite ice cream"
Noam's mom: "well sweetie, you said having a job is tyranny so the manufacturers and truck drivers stopped working"
Noam: "gosh, what a bunch of tyrants, I don't deserve to starve"
People, don't be an old bum who thinks like a 15 year old like Noam. Get out there a crush it by working hard, making money, staying faithful to your family and telling the government to fuck off constantly 😁.
You're responsible for you and entitled to nothing but your freedoms and liberties, none of which includes not working.
@@anarchistjesus7354 I don't think that was the attempt man... just a little good humor
I hate to explain a joke but just imagine a 16 year old arguing this well against getting a job to his parents, its funny...
if anything its a view that is supportive of Chomsky's speech you see? because if it wasn't a good argument it wouldn't be funny.
good luck out there
Lol, that's about right
All of a sudden I don't feel so bad about not having a job, thank you Mr Chomsky
Work with people that you like, use your time, is valuable.
“Free to starve” but live in a shelter getting free food. Flipping weed, white, you name it. Thousand dollar profits from Swing trades on the side.
For losers find your own avenue then having a job isn’t recommended.
Get a job ya bum!
being unemployed some of the best parts of my life. Having a job and freedom is good too
He’s completely right and I’m tired of pretending that jobs aren’t slavery.
What other option do you have?
Ah yes slavery. Getting paid to do a job in an amazing society that is the most advanced, technical, and wealthy society I'm history by a gargantuan margin of which you benefit entirely is literally just like slavery. You say while typing that from your $1000 phone on the Internet in your air conditioned house while probably eating a hearty meal
@@harisadu8998doing something else. It requires people getting up and getting mobilized, though.
@@missc2742 In other words, there is no other option.
@@Dulceria-La-Princesitaexpand your mind
"Private tyrannies are the worst kind of tyrannies"
*The Gulag Archipelago has entered the chat*
What, that shitty ass book with little to none serious historiographical work? ok
*Capitalist propaganda has entered the chat*
@@hamburgerdan101 You have no alternative
@@itsnotatoober That is enforced by capitalists.
@@someonenotnoone Actually... since in communism every enterprise is managed by the bureaucrats, greatest incentive for any such manager is not to increase production or care about employees. Greatest incentive is to profit from the managerial position. And that's why USSR collapsed. Communism works only for agrarian societies, when you don't need concentration of the capital or workforce or means of production.
the calmest way to say "its all bullshit"
For those who think Chomsky is being childish or lazy, his solution to this problem isn't "everyone stop working." His solution is having democratic decision-making in the workplace. The owner doesn't get to stipulate all the rules. The workers collectively decide.
As they say, "the more cooks in the kitchen, the quicker everything gets done"
Oh, wait
@@filmgeekstudios4393 I also base my political ideology on tired aphorisms.
@@ShinMadero Discarding the wisdom behind an old cliche that clearly points towards the value of hierarchy is peak progressivism. Either type a long-winded rant or get your opinion discarded. Y'all inhale your own farts.
Sounds like a good idea. Unless you spend 15 minutes actually thinking about it. Some people will always be clearly more competent, more experienced, more talented...etc. Who do you want to make the decisions? The guy who actually knows his stuff and has experience or some random 18 year old who started 2 months ago? So clearly a hierarchy is needed for efficiency.
What I think is the real trick the corporate overlords pull is lack of transparency. I'm okay with my boss getting paid more as long as I can see what he actually does and how much he actually earns. But is that ever the case? You never know what exactly your boss does day after day (but he sure as hell keeps an eye on you at all times). And you never know how much he actually earns. And one more thing: your boss can always hold you accountable for something you fu** up. But can you hold your boss accountable when he does?
Hierarchy is good but accountability and transparency are also good. Or dare I say they are just as essential.
And then you need to do what the collective decides or if you don't like it quit the job and starve :). That is so much different from following command of a boss.
Besides, most employers are also slaves. Their masters are their customers.
I'm shocked how a guy who is supposedly *so much* intelligent could talk such nonsense.
“you’re free to starve” that’s the most important statement here. right wing libertarians love to make the false argument that there is no coercion because working is a “choice” which is simply disingenuous considering not working will eventually lead to one’s death.
if a choice is between one thing or death, that is not a choice.
You don't have to pay for food. Plenty of homeless shelters give away meals for free 😋 or you could steal, get arrested, and throw in jail, and the corrections facility will feed you for free 🍝
The reason I became self-employed as soon as I could.
Same here. I wage-slaved until I was 25, then got out. I spent approximately three years inside the 9 to 5. It was more than enough. It was like reading 1984, except YOU are the main character.
Me too, but in the end, you slowly realise that you always have a boss. Even if you're self employed, if you don't keep the customer happy (the boss) then you don't get paid. We are always a slave to something. We always serve a higher purpose, even if that purpose is to put food on the table. The only difference for us is, we get to pick who we want to work for each day.
@@anthonybrett True, but I have “fired” quite a few clients who began to act like toxic bosses. I’ve been lucky to have been able to do that. Now retired on my own terms and grateful for it.
@@bsfan6150 "I have “fired” quite a few clients who began to act like toxic bosses."
Haha, well done. I've certainly been "choosy" myself. Congrats on retirement, I'm sure it was well earned. ;)
When you start a business, you're engaging in commerce. Yes, commerce is a huge part of a capitalist system. An integral part, even. But Capitalism is a political economic system. It goes further than just the exchange of goods and services.
As soon as i got graduated from architecture in 1990, I told my father I don't want to work as an employee. He was surprised. I told him I wanted to work as a freelancer. He hardly approved it. I'm 59 today and still working as a freelancer, free, happy, with no control over me. Thank God who helped me work freely all those years.
I’d love to know how you achieved this? I’m a graduate of architecture, I got my bachelors in 2021 and masters due 2024, how would I work freelance and actually get work?
@maxkelly6664 it was in the 1990s, and I was lucky my father was an architect too and had his own office. So I started by snatching some studies for individuals here and there, so income was piling up slowly slowly. Then, after 3 years, I encouraged my father to go into entrepreneurship by starting a family business in real estate, constructing small residential buildings, and then selling them as small apartments to earn our living. That's what happened. My father sold a land he had, got money, and bought with the money the first land, and we started construction. We've constructed many projects so far. My father died in 2006. Before he dies, he congratulated me for having won my bet in working as a freelancer. So I continued alone since then till today. Well, I must say I was lucky my father had a capital to start with. It was a push, of course. The thing is, you don't have "to be fearful" if you want to work on your own. If you're afraid not to find a client or you're impatient to have money in your pocket, then you'll surely run to employment. Remember that working as a freelancer or self-employed doesn't fit all kinds of people and characters. You need to be an alpha or sigma male to have the guts to throw yourself into the unknown, otherwise better for you to be employed, for it's more stable as a steady income for you.
@@NJC2874Very inspiring stories for those of us looking to emancipate ourselves from this corporate slavery struggle.
Crazy that you'll study for 5 years and they don't even consider teaching you how to sell yourself on freelance. I'll give you this advice: don't ask on youtube. Find successful ones in your vicinity and try to get them to show you how.
After my long experience working freelance, I think that after graduation, a minimum of 3 years of work, as internship, in a well-known company, getting basic experience in the field is important, if not mandatory. You need to see how the work is done correctly so you can do it yourself later on professionally. Once you learn the basics while working for somebody, strengthening your wings a little bit, then you'll be able to fly on your own. A lawyer or a doctor is forced to make those few years of training before going on his own. In architecture, it's the same story. Now, once you're on your own, then it's up to your skills, integrity, and performance that will decide if you'll continue flying, or rather fall, and consequently get back to employment to save yourself from bankruptcy. You'll be tested as a freelancer. So good luck if you want to give it a try.
This is how I felt at every job I ever had.
I'm glad I no longer need to work.
you retired?
@@glowiever
Nope
@@WhoThisMonkey based
You lived a long and miserable existence. Congratulations
Diogenes, is that you?
This is why I work for myself
But you're still a slave to your customers and society as a whole.
The biggest danger is not about having dress codes or by having a boss, that is acceptable. The greatest danger is that by having a job and mingling with coworkers, you start to adapt a certain lifestyle and thinking pattern and this will define your future and your values. So best thing is to know how to consciously separate your environment/job/situation from yourself, see it as a chapter of your life and always try to find a way to either be self-employed or find a job that makes you happier.
No man, dressing like a moron because some dude ordered me to is far from acceptable.
Necessary maybe, but not acceptable. Thankfully I’ve never head this experience, at the moment
Thanks! Thats a good insight
He is talking about how they can define anything and control you. This is just the surface level.
Anything the company can think of, dependent on the mood the reason ability of the employer can be implemented when there no restrictions and an extreme power balance and employees are not considered part of the company that invest time in it but just a loose appendix.
That's what I want to do. Gain enough experience to start my own company that can survive and profit, so I can work on what I want.
Word
"Im just a slave to the system"
~ me who works 5 hours a week at a supermarket
Your feelings of being suffocated by the tyrannical will of an employer are valid whether you work for five minutes or for 24 hours a day. It's not a competition, you have every right to your indignance even if there are people who have it worse.
@@dddajjjfa you have the right to be indignant if there's no safety net like unemployment insurance which you can get even in libertarian America.
@@krunkle5136 America is not libertarian lmao
You've got a lot of gaming videos for someone supposedly stuck in minimum wage job slavery
@@HaloDude557 it veers well towards libertarian when compared to Europe.
I used to work in a public science laboratory in the particle physics area. I loved it because I was contributing to science and not a corporate machine. My salary was lower than what I could get in industry though, and I was always belittled by my family for working a “low paid job”. Eventually I got so sick of having to defend myself that I left and I now work for a corporation, earning 50% more. I miss my previous job though.
I think if you have enough money to make a living, it is the best to do the job that you love and that is meaningful. And this is more luxurious than anything that you can buy with money.
What's your thoughts on CERN?
Quit school and go to work. You'll be ahead of your peers who stayed in school, you'll learn the skills you need for the job, and you'll save yourself heaps of debt.
Always listen to yourself and you’ll be happier and have no one to blame; I left corporate America and became a waiter and couldn’t be happier; I have an MBA by the way….
@DokesConspiracyNetwork CERN these days operates like an aging company. Sometimes, some real science still gets done but mostly it's alot of comfortable folks who like the glory. It has also turned into a mass tourist destination.
I'll never spend my life doing something I hate doing just to survive.
😂 Bless your heart
You are true American, as well as a gentleman and a scholar.
Then... how will you survive?
Good for you. It won't matter to or impact anyone except you.
@@ssss-kg7wz Humans are hunter-gatherers by nature we tamed ourselves along with other domestic animals, but if you release pig into the wild it would soon grow hair and tusks.
I’ve just finished my Phd, which can be considered slave work; after my phd defense I’ve emancipated into absolute freedom (nobody can control me now) but equally poor and traumatized
Could have done anything you wanted and chose to go to school forever. Congratulations.
@@superduty4556 thanks
Same here. I am finding that the job market is tough, since I don't have the industry experience companies are looking for. I may have to go back into science as a postdoc, which eventually means writing a proposal for a grant. The only project I can think of writing for would be a continuation of my PhD. Maybe the postdoc experience will open up new ideas and opportunities. I do have to say that networking with industry and startups has opened my eyes about what's out there and how the world works, even if it has not led to a paid position.
@@cryora I’m applying to PostDocs while studying data science online as backup
@@superduty4556he was just doing what we were all indoctrinated to do
This makes the homeless dude down the street feel vindicated finally.
Neofeudalismus zum dank.
To me, the issue is that it's supposed to be a fair exchange of money for work.. but it has become slavery in many cases / places
Thank you Chomsky for putting into words my resentment of horrible work places and the people who run them. I’m always accused of having a “bad attitude” because I’m not a happy worker bee.
Start your own business. It's easy.
Start your own business
Fellow "bad attitude" person here. Let's make our attitude the only possible in trash work places 😅
@@user-bg2oi4bz3p Oh you're a slave? Have you considered becoming free and buying your own slaves?
if you don't like the boss get a different way to buy your food..i bet they don't like you either
I so despise Corporate America, I worked in a hospital for 28 years. My hours were cut drastically and many staff were laid off and fired. No concern for my stress, time or financial situation . The worst part was I didn’t have any say as to what
happened to me. Retired early and moved overseas. Aloha and good riddance
There are some countries where it's very hard to fire or let go employees, unless they commit crime. Companies acting like welfare states.
Where are you now?
@@FardtilUshid Krabi, Ao Nang beach, Thailand
@@lesliestenta3084 Sweet.
Yet they want employees to give them 2-week notice.
Point is: easy is to diminish the common folk as wage slaves when one lives comfortable from academia. Wage slavery supports the academia also.
They can take out a life insurance policy on you without your knowledge too.
who's they??
@@mva1985 You know, .... “THEY”
@@mva1985 "They" don't want you to know who they are.
@@mva1985 Capitalist business owners
@Paul Ingram well you have a home but the bank still owns your home. You stop working for a few months the bank can take your home away. And your family could starve. And he isn't talking about every single american. Of course the upper class is an exception to this. But most people do live pay check to paycheck. A shelter is a basic need. Congrats on meeting that basic need
'They can't legally murder you.'
Looks at Construction's "benign neglect"
What the fuck is "benign neglect"?
Before the first progressive movements, in The Gilded Age, they often did. Strikers got shot. You either worked 12 hours a day for a starvation wage from a very early age until death or else they hastened that death. This is what right-"libertarians" would like us to return to. What the classical liberal age was in practice.
@@JackieChandler69 it's a premise where you just let someone live autonomously with little to no oversight. politically it's a different definition (also philosophically, sort of). Basically... they give you the rules, tell you they're watching... but no one is watching unless they want to make points.
The solution is not to avoid work, but to cooperate together. A coop, or failing that, a workplace with a healthy union.
Never felt so good about being unemployed.
Same I used to work at a school it felt like prison.
What are you guys gonna do now not to starve?
Based on what Chomsky said, that's the absolute worse place to be. We are in the authoritarian system, getting punished by that system does not mean you are excluded from it.
@@TheSonicSpud as long as you not starve. You are good.
you should try to get skilled so you can do something you actually appreciate
And never mind that other video where the guy breaks down how many hours you work in a week just to survive. Something like the money you make just on Friday is yours to keep. The rich rely on tax evasion and investments. No one gets rich by “working hard”..
Starting work again in hospitality and this is exactly what was on my mind. Plainly selling ourselves into servitude to not starve
And everybody says I’m weird when i call jobs modern slavery
Starving isn't the only alternative to being an employee of an organization. You can be self-employed.
okay, thats for a very tiny amount of people. it wont work in the current system for the majority. so its not really an alternative
@@BuGGyBoBerl It is an alternative. You have to sustain yourself somehow. If you don't want to work for someone, you have to work for yourself.
@@OnochieAfigboThis is merely a description of the current order, same as Chomsky’s, it doesn’t negate his point
@@tw3f4tes52 I understand his point that the workplace is authoritarian. I agree with him on that. I don't agree with him when he says that starvation is the alternative to paid employment.
@@OnochieAfigbo first of all, the current system where you either have to be "self employed" or working for a company etc. isnt the only possible system. in principal and historical.
second, its not an alternative for most people. its like saying if you dont like your place in your company simply become the boss. sure for a few individuals thats possible but its not possible for most people. simply because of the fact that a company dont work if everyone is the boss.
so if you accept the presumption that its a totalitarian system and its problematic, you cant say its a proper alternative to simply become self employed as most people cant in that system. the fact a few people can doesnt mean its a valid alternative.
similar arguments are made about the american dream. sure, everyone can become rich in theory, in reality most cant.
He is right, you know. We cannot compare the circumstances of wage slavery to that of hunting, gathering, fishing, trapping, or farming as a community for survival because nature is not an individual, company, or corporation that you must subordinate yourself to.
But in a free market you can still be a hunter and gatherer if you don't mind living like a caveman. Virtually nobody chooses that lifestyle and for good reason.
@@tedmccarron You can't live like a caveman. Our "caveman" ancestors live in communities and good luck finding a community to live with like that.
But what completely destroys this argument of a "free market" being free is that there are no common lands anymore.
If you want to hunt and gather you're gonna have to buy yourself some land first and that requires submitting yourself to the tyranny of the workplace.
@Killicon93 oh hell I'm sure you could find enough like minded totalitarian leftists to pool their money to buy several million acres to create their own little hunter/gatherer Utopia. But it won't happen because people like Chomsky and his fans don't believe their own bullshit. His contention that consenting adults buying and selling from each other is tyranny and politicians controlling everything is freedom is leftist lunacy.
Like Ted said, in a free market you can still be a hunter gatherer. There are quite a few people who do that actually, and actually there are indeed large swaths of federally owned lands where it is legal to camp indefinitely, but you might need a hunting or fishing license at the very least. Also depending on the are you might have to move campsites every few weeks. And you can see if there are communities of others doing the same, or you can try to create such a community. But most people prefer having a job.
The other thing is that most jobs basically exist to do what your saying, survive amidst nature. Unless your producing entertainment or luxury goods, your probably serving people food, or building houses, or any number of things that ultimately help people survive in nature. We’re just so far removed from nature via layers of industrialisation that it’s not obvious. We’re still doing the same things cavemen did just with better technologies. My point being, the tyranny of the workplace is actually still just the tyranny of nature, just layers removed. So in the same way no one is to blame for the imposition of nature, no one is really responsible for the tyranny of the workplace.
@@jamessmith4172 exactly! Well put! So many left-wing morons out there think that the answer to "workplace tyranny" is to have politicians totally control the economy. It's obnoxious and outrageously stupid.
That's why I love that song, "Everybody's working for the weekend!"
Bittersweet Symphony by Verve would be more appropriate, i'm kinda liking it even more now.
That's so accurate¡ even big corporate workers live that way.
I don’t know. Without employers the choice is still work or starve. Ask any animal, it’s hunt or starve.
He is not telling to stop working rather pointing out that a job is a system where you sell yourself or your time rather than the product you created.
@@prabhakaranjeyamohan4579 this dude is a marxist, he's not pushing people to be entrepreneurs.
@@prabhakaranjeyamohan4579 Well I guess that´s a perspective. We do sell our time and our labor but I for one believe that I am better off than a slave. I own my own property, am educated and have the right to vote and even become a politician should I wish to. I feel a lot more empowered than a slave but you can try to convince me otherwise,
@@prabhakaranjeyamohan4579 You are perfectly free to sell the product you have created, except that is 100 times more difficult than just working for somebody else, which is why very few people do it. His entire argument is a strawman.
@@Hungabrigoo The difficulty is not having access to resources because capitalists have claimed it as their private property already.
His entire argument is anti-slavery. But you have to imagine people as equals who have equal rights to live and equal rights to natural resources, not as being measured by the amount of money they have or whether or not someone with money wants them to do something.
Chomsky net worth: 5 million US dollars.
Publishing contracts make up a decent portion of that.
Which makes his critique of a totalitarian workplace invalid in what way?
@@Craxxet He’s making a literal fortune from publishing houses using print shops and distribution centers that pay their people just below a living wage.Not to mention speaking fees.
@@Emperorcalebtine the dude is old asf and he's worth $5 million dollars. Jesus christ man he's done amazing things and $5m is a good living. Instead of being mad at him, maybe let's help others achieve a similar success.
We do what we can. Just because he's not perfect doesn't mean he doesn't deserve what he's earned.
@@imactuallyHimthohe is lunatic.
@@EmperorcalebtineYou are equally complicit in the system as he is. Just like anyone else.
There are always modes of control. Everyone is just advocating our preferred method. Chomsky seems to halfway see that and halfway intentionally ignore it.
You could always hunt for your own food, make your own clothes, build your own shelter, etc. To think you are entitled to food, shelter, clothing, transportation, etc. without providing something valuable back in return is crazy.
@@beamboy14526 Tell that to the leeches at the very top.
You can't kill a slave either. There were rules even back thousands of years for slavery.
If slavery is just as bad as a job, then there is no compensation to be made to ther former slaves.
Make up your mind.
@@smug3636 Bernie Sanders was asked about reparations, and he clearly said his policies benefit those in need of help, which is proportionally black people, thus there's no need for reparations.
Of course the Democratic Party (which are Liberal Capitalists who invented this identity politics non-sense) attacked him, saying he' not woke enough, and that he's a Socialist.
They managed to redefine the left from its intendent meaning of economic issues, to a non-sense trangender non-binary etc.
Basically like if I'd say to you "Oh your'e a capitalist? That means you believe the Earth is flat. Get outta here. I'll never vote for Capitalism because the Earth is not flat!"
I am a wage slave and have been for 40 years. BUT I secretly save a large amount of what I take home. No spending on stuff I absolutely don't need. No debt to credit cards, cars paid off. The invested monies have grown. From March 2023 to March 2024 I have saved / grown the amount of my gross salary.
I am a wage slave that is digging a tunnel to escape the USA for South America and it is working. I tell people at work that times are tough and I'll likely retire at age 75. Meanwhile, 62 is very achievable now. FTHEUSA!
Paid slave at Capitalism, that's what I am. The monetary system must go. Its unnecessary and causes more harm than good!
sup daaawg :)
If I'm being paid peanuts I'd rather they were figurative ones. Please explain how any city could function without a monetary system. Would you pay for your cab ride with fruit? 10 chickens for an Iphone? I'm not spending 10 years of my life training to become a GP out of the kindness of my heart alone you know.
@@SilverCuckoo the point is to automate as many "jobs as possible." The goal is to get out of the pay to live paradigm. If you went to 16th century London and told folks that all the street lamps come on at the same time, They wouldn't believe you....this is the same analogy with paying for cab ride with fruit.
@@meatmoneymilkmonogamyequal5583 How does the automation of an electricity grid correlate with the abandonment of the monetary system? This analogy doesn't make any sense
@@artemis7271 The analogy is about showing people what is possible. In the people in 18th century London would never believe that all the street lamps could come on at the same time. In the 21st century all the streets lamps do thanks to technology. In 21st century folks believe we need to pay to live in a monetary system. Perhaps in 22nd century folks won't be paying to live nor use money thanks to the technology.
Worker rights are there for a reason, must learn them and protect them
Thank you Noam for opening my eyes. Im quiting my job tomorrow!
That's great news! Leave the wage cage
The whole problem with our species in less than 2 minutes.
It is perfect for the few.
There's no situation where people are completely free of work outside of a fantasy world. Also my last 2 jobs are nothing like he said.
@@BLINK4444 come back when you understand the issue and have gotten over your reactionary streak.
I show my parents this video when they tell me to get a job.
the whole problem is that people take evil commie liars seriously
It is okey to sell your services in exchange of someone elses goods. But its never okey to sell yourself to servitude.
If Liberty is the ability to conduct obligatory actions, I'll grant it's never ok to obligate anyone to relieve themselves of their ability to conduct that which they know to be obligatory.
ONLY IF YOU HAVE A CHOICE.
The majority don't, as Noam pointed out.
Who says a job is obligatory
@@AymanB Ain't it the truth. Think about all the millions that starved in America last year alone.
@@AymanB Who, in the western world doesn't have the freedom to choose their job? The entire argument is a strawman.
Fun fact: in hunter-gatherer societies people would only work 3hours/day on average.
With agriculture it became 10+.
So what's stopping you? Go hunt and gather if it's so great. The doctor you need can go hunt and gather with you. Good luck with that.
The only freedom we really have and need is the freedom to think our own thoughts, experience our own emotions and express them fully. Every other freedom is superflous to that. An artist cannot be subjugated.
I wonder if someone could create a model of an economy where everyone is a freelancer/entrepreneur. No employees, just freelancers doing jobs for other freelancers. Cause a common theme I hear these days when people complain about their job is “quit your job! be an entrepreneur! start a business!”
But I’d actually like to see that displayed to the most extreme level of what would happen if a whole society took that advice and chose to be freelancers
You still need to suck up to your clients/customers in order to make that money so you don’t starve.
An economic model where everyone is a freelancer is a highly inefficient society. You do not gain speed from job specialization, hard to focus your time on 20% works that gives 80% of output, no cost reduction thru economies of scale. High coordinating cost since you need to spend months (bfore a project even start) by posting job ad, interviews, filtering to hire 5 people with diff skillsets for *every* project.
A better model is worker cooperative s + freelance . Look for Mondragon co-op
too much competition, and too powerful of competition... try to "freelance" in year 2205 but you have to compete against 4,000+ trillionaires lol.
Douglas Social Credit
100% correct and it begins with sending your children to be 'schooled' by strangers.
Homeschool the children, and let the households go back to living on one wage and force the cost of living to drop.
Yet zero options exist outside of becoming the next tyrannt.
It’s not capitalism that’s oppressive, it’s life itself that is oppressive. Life always forces you to work in any political system. If you want to continue living, you have to hunt or farm. It is life itself that oppresses you, capitalism just gives you more freedon by making everything more efficient, which allows you to choose from a wider range of things to do (jobs)
@@iangparkYEAH, It's hell but it's the best we got
You guys are all fucking idiots thinking raw capitalism is the best we have, that isn't even what we have right now, we instead have a much better but still wholly inadequate form of sorta-regulated capitalism, the advances to get here in the past hundreds of years being very slow and very hard fought. But yeah have fun with your stupid job that you have to work for 50% of your life lol.
@@michaelbabb1087 indeed
@@michaelbabb1087 what’s the alternative? What system can exist where you don’t have to work 50% of your life? Obviously in communism people don’t work as much, but that’s why everyone starves to death
@@nicksimon9343 I'm not quite sure how you can ask me in the times we live in today how there cant exist a system that ameliorates the human condition, have you ever walked inside of a factory and seen how efficient they are? The alternative is a social democracy, at the least, because that ensures a standard of living for all people. We don't have that, we have work or starve. The body of laborers that capitalists have been counting on for decades to have to work for the pathetic wages they offer. And of course we have this neurotic and completely bullshit-by-now "American Dream" where you advance through the ranks and get to sit on your own pile of money and your own laborers, or at the very least get to manage subordinates. What fun. Of course it doesn't help that wage inequality is so bad and the amount of land owned by a small few individuals is so vast that there is no chance of hard work or your merit ever making meaningful changes to the power system in this country, its all already been bought and sold.
This year I had a Social Psicology professor in Uni who used to say: "I will finally be free only when I'm dead" Now I understand what he means by that, he's a war veteran by the way.
what he means is life itself is a tyranny.
Are private tyrannies really the worst kind of tyranny?
let’s not make it a competition
Tal como lo dijo aquel filósofo y sabio popular conocido como Don Ramón: “Ningún trabajo es malo. Lo malo es tener que trabajar”
"Some people are so enslaved by the system, and dependent on the system, they will do anything to defend it." - Morpheus about this comment section.
I think its a pretty bold assumption to say you can either get work for a company or starve. How about the millions of skilled trades workers who are self employed? How about people in the art and entertainment industry? How about just living off the land? Regardless of any of that people are freer now than any other time in history
@@notloki3377 Your sentence didn't make any logical sense, just saying.
@@notloki3377 Anything looks good compared to a utopia? Urm.. no, by definition, it doesn't.
@@MachoMaamRandallSandwich ah, i put the comment in the wrong chat. lol. anyway, what i meant to say is still relevant here.. and what i meant to say is that comparing things to your personal imagined utopia is an unfair comparison and that you ought to compare systems to systems which already have existed or do exist at the moment. at least that way there is precedent for them. forgive me, it was 3am and i was pissed off. dropped the comment in the wrong inbox :P
@@notloki3377 I'm so rude online, I'm sorry. I forget I'm talking to humans sometimes. I value your point and I think you're probably a very kind person :)
@@MachoMaamRandallSandwich who else might you be talking to?
Noam’s ‘burns’ are very entertaining; I keep hearing “Disco Inferno” in my head...
Thats why the only thing Chomsky build, is his own brand. Never had a company of employees. Companies can be totalitarian, and yet they can also be exact opposite. And some hierarchy and responsibility doesnt mean totalitarian, dummey.
The problem isn't work, it's hierarchy. To survive, you need to work. But hierarchies mean someone is leeching off your work and getting richer. It's greed. Entire civilization has been based on hierarchies and competition, by making other people your "subordinates". I do think the most healthy way of living is community-based, anarchism, sort of what we had before civilization with tribes.
thats his point. he isnt opposing "work". wage labour is the problem.
The reason community-based anarchies fail is because at some point, as they grow larger and larger, more complex systems of governance are needed to manage larger groups of people. And as disagreements between the groups arise on how the system should be managed, and since all people in that group seek to control valuable resources, either an internal war breaks out or they agree to settle their differences by electing a single ruler with the authority to enforce the rule of law through a democratic system of governance. A natural and necessary side effect of that is that a hierarchy is established; the rulers over the ruled. Actually there is not much reason to think the same thing doesn't happen on a small scale either. Its just there is an internal agreement on who is the leader from the start (the tribe elder, or those with special education etc. - just another type of dictatorship).
A side effect of that system is determining which economic system provides the maximal benefit for the most workers. I actually don't know the history of economic systems, what existed before capitalism, but being able to make your own living and work for a wide variety of companies (in modern America, you have millions of choices to choose from) was probably a significant step up from being told where to work by your leader, under threat of jail or exile.
That's what is missing in this whole discussion. Its as if we are pretending there is some alternate state of affairs where humans are completely free and happy. It ignores that throughout history humans have always been enslaved to some ruler or another. In capitalism people have achieved a great deal of personal wealth and success, and are freer than they ever have been. That includes worker co-ops by the way, where workers own their own company and can vote on where it should go, which people are free to form at any time (which socialists don't like to acknowledge, as it dismantles the notion that workers would do anything to escape private tyranny by the simple fact that virtually no one seeks to start a co-op business, most likely because sharing decision making amongst thousands is an extraordinarily painful way to manage anything).
@@radscorpion8 I think to create a system to avoid hierarchies these days would need a completely different "homo sapiens". A community without hierarchies would work only if people all wanted to contribute in a positive way, help each other, and do good things for the community to survive. However, if people want to have an effort-free life and control others, then of course it goes off rails and we get in-fighting and competition, and thus hierarchies. So it's the matter of ego.
@@radscorpion8 the "reason" community based "anarchies" fail is highly hypothetical as its never tested on a bigger scale. regarding hierachy: just because we have a long history of hierachy doesnt mean its inevitable nor does anarchy mean there is no hierarchy per se. it rather has to be justified.
imo this whole discussion is driven by the inability to imagine something different than wage labour and act like working equals wage labour just as capitalism is the only functioning system.
when you take a look at the beginning of industrialisation you basically have the opposite of a freedom.
i also disagree that most people are very free to chose between thousands of jobs.
yeah hypothetically thats true but in reality not everyone has enough money to begin with (inherited) or a special set of education that makes him "rare" enough to chose freely.
its like the american dream where everyone can be a millionaire but in reality its just not possible and definitely not just a matter of work "hard and smart"
i also think noone is imagining a utopia without any problems whatsoever. at least chomsky. i also think that many people arent freer per se nowadays while its also difficult to just attribute progress to a capitalist system when you have technological and social/moral progress.
again the theoretical freedom to implement a coop system nowadays doesnt mean its an actual valid choice as the system rather supports other concepts and people arent used to implement such systems. it actively got decreased by implementing capitalism. however not by a increasing freedom but rather the inherent mechanisms.
one can make an analogy to different energy ressources. the fact we have more fossil/nuclear power atm isnt because its per se much more efficient. its heavily depended on the history and that the current system actively tries to preserve it while stopping developing new ones. its also obvious that there is a initial effort to get it working, but once its done you see that solar power for example is more efficient.
one isnt creating a coop in a vacuum without influence from the surroundings + there is no culture and practice to implement things.
Uh, 'subordinates'. You mean when you've started a business, and have more work than you can handle, and you offer someone money to help you expand your companies ability to serve ?
what’s Chomsky’s ideal society? I get that having a job is bad inherently but what else is there to do with life? Everything takes hard work.
Well, this clip is completely removed from any sort context as to what might have prompted this assertion, so it is not clear at all what point he is trying to make with this observation.
If I were to take a complete guess at what is going on here, however, I'd guess the interviewer may have made some sort of comment on the potential for tyranny and authoritarianism that comes with granting a central authority, like the federal government, greater and greater power and control over private institutions such as banks or the press, which Chomsky is well known for criticizing as controlling the public through deceptive narratives.
Hence Chomsky making an assertion here that we already live our everyday lives under a wholly private type of authoritarianism is probably NOT trying to make the point that private jobs are bad, but that authoritarianism can manifest in any system that successfully shields itself from accountability.
This is not the place to inject reasonable thoughts, Connor.
hes a subversive commie. he wants to destroy western world. there is no bright future in his mind.
Uh, how is having a job inherently bad ? The jobs I've enjoyed (and there have been many) let me serve my fellow humans and produce goods and services that helped make their lives better.
This. People talk about wage slaves, all while having houses built by the hands of someone who had to work, using technology that was created by someone who had to work etc. Society as a whole only functions because people work. So what’s the alternative?
I can understand criticizing Capitalism itself, but I can’t agree with a society without any structure whatsoever.
It helps a lot if you live in a country with very strict labor laws and that supports unionizing. It does not have to feel like a totalitarian existence at all.
I get many days off, a good salary and my boss has to walk a tightrope as I have so many rights for him/her to step on, it's amazing. One mistake by your boss and you can sue them.
The US is just the shittiest western country to live in, unless you're a millionaire.
I am sure that your boss profoundly enjoys this system of 'freedom'.
@@ssss-kg7wzwell, let's use American right-wing logic
He has the freedom to move his business to another country or better yet: get a job
He already has a job, which is the reason why you have a job.@@kokorochacarero8003
The “genius“ Chomsky: The person I was dating told me that I either had to change for them or we break up. They were giving me the choice of either being controlled by someone or being single and lonely and miserable for the rest of my life. Such a romantic tyranny 😂
Free to starve? Are we seriously pretending that people can't farm and hunt to survive?
No, not if most would start doing it. There's not enough wild animals.
Ironic. Workplaces have more freedom of speech than universities xd
The way to avoid this is to become skilled. I believe companies dont want their workers to become too skilled because it gives them power. To keep workers dumb and not skilled is to keep them weak, and weak is when they are desperate and needy. Develop skills. My biggest regret in life is not developing skills in my youth. Things like drawing, music composition, languages. Now I’m trying to learn skills but it’s hard because I’m older. Being skilled, especially at things you love like art, is such a skill. All the successful people I know pursued their passion as children, they skilled up from their 10s to 20s, and they became successful. All the people like me who were afraid and pursued passionless “practical” things well I ended up a complete loser.
Es cierto, pero muchas veces eso implica ayuda de los padres (cursos, implementos, etc) y gran cantidad de tiempo (que se gasta trabajando justamente). Es un círculo vicioso, pero por supuesto que los más jóvenes deberían a toda costa desarrollar esas habilidades, es un esfuerzo gigante entre más pobre seas, pero es muy posible que valga la pena.
It's ok U still have time
"a complete loser" based on whose standards? if you are a healthy, loving, compassionate, and happy human being you are not a loser by definition, on the contrary you are a valuable member of society.
Sage-like advice!
Today both the private and public sectors are one and the same, sort of like a Fascist system. The issue isn’t the private vs public sectors or Capitalism vs Socialism. The issue is concentrated power. That’s the thing that plagues all systems. Power must be decentralized so that people will spend their time working for themselves and loved ones vs getting exploited by central powers, private, public, or both.
Putting everything aside, Concentrated power. Yes that's the point, It's always been.
Your employer is not your boss, they are your customer. If you have decided to sell your labor, make sure it's to the highest bidder. If you hate it enough, do what a lot of people have done and just save, save, save. Then buy a patch of remote land somewhere and homestead it. Even if you leave without savings, you will not starve. No one in the US should be starving. I've helped at public kitchens and we never turn anyone away. Alternatively, you could be a creative person and come up with your own business idea.
Copium and slave mentality all over your comment
@@user-vd9pf6pu3o Well as far as I know, I only have the one life, and I prefer to spend it joyously with an optimistic outlook.
If nobody had a job, Noam would be sitting naked in a cave speaking into a dirty rock.
@Michael Johnson cavemen just ate and had sex all day ? No cavemen Spent the whole day hunting and looking for food and going out in the nature and surviving not just having sex all day. But At least they were living Life because when you Go hunt everyday and try to survive, every single day is a new adventure, today you’ll Hunt a deer and you’ll get chased by a couple of Predators, tomorrow you’ll go fishing and You probably will be lucky enough to Spectate a beautiful sunset and come back home then you can have sex lol. That’s my perspective
We don’t have to go back to caves. We already invented tools and gained knowledge to not go back to extreme basics. But being slave to what we created is not a way to live. Humans are born to be free
Noam has lots of high sounding ideas and humanitarian solutions that look great on paper, and which always seem to default to a party functionary with a rifle ordering your work crew to dig a sewage ditch.
Hunter gatherers were rich not because they had stuff but because they were free and could easily meet their basic needs. Modern technology is also harming the planet. Perhaps we'd be better off without it.
"They can control when you go to the bathroom"
W-what? They can make me shit myself??
He's never had a job so he thinks it's like Preschool where you have to raise your hand and ask to be dismissed for 10 minutes
@@HaloDude557 Or like it's the 1820s and we've all been driven off the land and are working at Lord Fuggly Wuggs top hat factory.
Many, many workplaces in the US have very strict rules when it comes to breaks, including toilet breaks, so yes.
Oh.. I don't know about that. I work from home.
@@whong09 That sounds nice, but keep in mind that someone working at a factory can't take the factory home with them.
You have a choice to make the money however you want. Doesnt mean starvation if you leave the job! Means you're not making money!!!
Poor Chomsky. He's old, so out of respect I can't write what I really mean.
He says you have two choices: starve or work for company. How about third choice: learn, study and open you own businesses? Nope, Noam doesn't want you to think for yourself. He is there to think instead of us all.
Only people more stupid than Noam are those who look at him as a hero.
Starting your own business is still a job and a rather risky and extremely difficult one in the modern age. People don't just sit around and collect money when they start a business unless they inherited vast amounts of wealth
@@heyhackurs ok Well go and live in the woods, build your own house, grow your own food. Having a job where you specialise in one thing in exchange for money, which can be exchanged for other goods and services from other specialists, is an alternative to having to do everything yourself.
@@Bowhuntingskills I'm not disagreeing with that notion that having a job and money is preferable to having to do everything yourself. Although I do have a uncle who does live out in the woods and grows his own food/built his own house. That being said, I'm not sure what this has to do with the concept of starting your own business or how it is extremely difficult to start one, sometimes more so than any job out there on the market.
I wonder what are his thoughts on freelance and contract labor?
Yeah, because opening a business is easy as fuck and everyone can do it.
Only an ivory tower intellectual, who has never had a real job, could come up with something like this.
Right, how dare he criticise the perfect system of wage theft. We don't actually deserve happiness or not to starve, our true purpose in life is as automatons mindlessly following instructions that would increase our betters' profit margins. Truly if he had suffered the way we had at the hands of a factory foreman, he'd be totally into capitalism. He'd be singing it's praises! Also lets ignore what he said about private tyrannies because we don't know what those words mean.
Define a "real" job, smarty.
@@sixmillionaccountssilenced6721 are u braindead? U know what a real job is. Dont act smart you absolute trumpsupportinh npc
If the system in a company is authoritarian, all the fault falls on the government. It is the government who HAS TO REGULATE companies in order for this to not happen.... in an ideal world...
The corporations own the gooberment.
@@AK-47ISTHEWAY Water is wet
Whenever I suffer from insomnia I listen to Chomsky. It works every time.
😂😂😂😂😂
He is not talking about having a job. He’s talking about having a shit minimum wage job
amen
Is he? Is there more context to this? Seems like he's talking about many more jobs outside of minimum wage. What he describes can be applied to many $40 an hour jobs.
@@eugkra33 then quit and don't make 40$ an hour. your call.
@@notloki3377 I thought he addresses that argument in the video already.
Most people making minimum wage like to distort other's political comments to make themselves feel like the bigger victims.
The difference is consent. The libertarian argument is: you're in a consentual environment that you have chosen. And yes, sometimes it is the choice between work and starvation. Just like every single other animal on this planet.
Watching this as i am unemployed and running out of food and thinking i will have to get a job or else i will starve to death With my dog here in México
How did things turn out for you man?
This guy has intellectualized living in a basement with your parents.
Give me a break. How else are you supposed to get things done other than by contracts? We're all just supposed to voluntarily submit to one another at each individual's preference?
And no, the two choices aren't starve or live in a totalitarian regime. I have lots of choices for jobs, I'll go to the job that's going to treat me the best and pay me the most. That's the libertarian argument. Maximum choice, equals maximum freedom.
For such a smart guy, he seems to like the ole' Strawman argument.
This man is a legend. 95 years old man. He is 100% right.
“Worst kind of tyranny’s” wrong. Communism is far worse.
So true. I hate working. Ashamed of it.
yea but atleast in a communist utopia you could choose not to work but be provived with way less benefits as opposed to people that do work. Don't worry you would have food water, shelter clothes phone tv and all of that just it would be based on scarcity the people who work the most get the most scarce stuff and all the common stuff is given to everyone working or not unconditionally
@@_Nyx_Raven_ I don't know where to start with your argument, have you ever been to a landfill in your life? Our society produces enormous amounts of waste; we are not even trying to meet the basic needs of everyone even with everyone working all-the-time, during the best years of their lives.
People would still 'work' (of their own accord; without structural violence) if their needs are met, talk to a scientist/activist/author/etc and asks them what drives them
@@stephentrueman4843 Money
most important video on youtube, bluntly the truth of truths, its not necessary to use a lot of words to understand it, its not a narrative to confuse people with language aka fantasy
He’s essentially talking about……Amazon
Lol. The choice is not to starve or "sell yourself into a tyranny". You can work for yourself. You can start your own business. Even cavemen had to spend their entire day searching for food and building shelter to stay alive. They had to protect themselves from predators and other hunters. Human's are doing the same thing today using different methods, and our lives are far, far easier.
Oh Man...what a bunch of bull$###. Love from Brazil. Get a grip kid
@@Richard-cv8kgWe have a grip Mr. Brazilian. I started my own company. Can you do that in Brazil? Do you have enough money to form an LLC? Do you even have a business idea? Do you know any skilled trades that you can monetize? What are you doing with your life other than playing in the rainforest?
@@AK-47ISTHEWAY cute, the end about rain forrest is not racist at all 🫠😅
i'm leftist and this is the first video of Chomsky when i'm sitting and just not only can't agree but even have a completely different experience and understand that he doesn't even care about a modern person like me and their working life. i'm 23, i'm a freelance teacher. i majored in philosophy at uni. nothing he described is about me. there's no enterprise, no dictatorship about appearance or bathrooms and what i do. i know that chomsky is like 120 y. o. and he's talking about white+blue collars coal miners construction workers etc. but... it misses everything in my specific case so perfectly that i'm just looking at this brilliant intellectual probably the most famous leftist of this century and just think 'well if you ask me, if you're talking about my life... he knows nothing'
But that's a bit like saying, ah atomic bombs are harmless! Look at me, the blast didn't hit me!
While it's not an entirely universal tyranny, it still exists to a certian extent. You are unwittingly in a very privileged position that very few get to experience. You still experience the same issues as us all but you're in a different caste almost.
From pure speculation, I'm going to assume you came from a rather moderately wealthy family? Or at the very least were middle-upper class?
Brilliant as always!
This is the same guy that wanted to mandate everyone take a dangerous experimental drug for HIS own safety and security. VERY LIBERTARIAN
ahh, very important to say absolutely NOTHING about the issue and just attack his person based on stupid phrasing of vaccinating. imagine you couldnt push your stupid agenda here.
ps: its not dangerous experimental
doesn't mean that everything else he says is necessarily wrong
I have no problem with work, it’s the issue that we must sacrifice the majority of hour time per week to live, especially when it’s not logistically necessary. I work part time, I find it better, but many cannot due to the horrible wage rates. Wages need to be increased to an appropriate level, but everyone will complain that it’s the reason for increased cost of living, which is pure BS as the price goes up regardless of wage increase.
You are free to quit.
But we will make sure that you have no social and financial value which is necessary to survive in our capitalist society, if you do decide to quit.
this is nonsense, your survive is actually thrive, people exist without working dor others perfectly well, have you never engaged in business with an independent business person?
the idea that you can't make art, be an entrepreneur or beg to survive is a joke and indicates Chonsky's misunderstanding of decision making
life has always worked like that. you have to work to support your life. if there is no higher goal and a reason person works because he has no goals and dreams or higher principles then he turns to pseudo intellectual charlatans like chmosky to give them answers. but those answersare lies.
Nobody is making sure you have no value, it is 100% your own doing, pal.