My neighbor told me her daughter will go back to work right after she has her child because “she wants to contribute to society!” I told her if she truly wants to contribute to society in any meaningful way, she should raise her son herself.
Assuming the daughter really did say that and it's not your neighbor being nuts, it's amazing how effective propaganda is. I don't work to "contribute to society," I work to pay rent and buy food.
@@aluisious I think I see your point, but isn't there also something problematic about work that doesn't contribute to society? Can we afford to live in a society where the point of everyone's labour is only to gain money for food and housing? Of course, you could say anyone who pays taxes also contributes to society, as (in theory) that money is put to use in providing for others. I'm just worried that we'll keep seeing these growing problems in the world while devoting our lives to activities that, at best, do nothing to help.
@@DG-loWorking for 99.9% of people IS merely to pay for their own rent/bills/food - just to survive. Anything else that 'contributes to society' is by way of taxes that governments spend on our behalf, and by way of occasional voluntary donations to charities via the wages we earn. We are a selfish animal. How much do we REALLY care about 'society' or those who we'll never meet and who will never reciprocate our 'goodwill' gestures? We actually don't, if we're brutally honest. All any of us REALLY care about is ourselves and our immediate friends and family.
@@iraceruk I mostly had the climate crisis on my mind as I wrote that reply, and, as to your question too, I think that will show how much we care. Some are willing to make significant sacrifices in order to avert catastrophe; others just want to secure themselves for when it comes. (Most must be somewhere in between.) But I think the ratio is nowhere near that weighted.
"The whole thing is such a tissue of internal contradictions and absurdities that it's really hard to discuss. You shouldn't be trapped into entering into discussion on the premises on which it is pursued" is one of those Chomsky quotes that are eternal and absolute. Thanks for putting it out. I'll forward more gems if I find them.
CHOMPSKY? Eternal absolute? None sense.. Semi Faustian logic and Marxism The classic MONOTONED hushed Repeated Cliches and Platitudes Of Karl Marx his prophet of eternal Capitalist Christian Judeo DOOM
Our epoch has been called the century of work. It is in fact the century of pain, misery and corruption. Paul Lafargue “The world of the commodity is a world upside-down, which bases itself not upon life but upon the transformation of life into work.” - Raoul Vaneigem
The 20th was the first century without widespread slavery throughout the world, and you say it is pain and misery? You wouldn’t know misery if it slapped you in the face. You piss on the grave of every single slave and so many other real victims throughout human history when you say it used to be so much better. You have no tangible examples of civilizations that were “based on life” rather than work. The history of humanity is working and grappling for what we can to survive the best we can. Why do you think nearly every major civilization has had slavery? Because the strong take advantage of the weak yes, but also because it takes a ton of work to maintain civilization. Some are fortunate enough to be able to enjoy significant portions of their work nowadays, but to many it remains just survival as it always has. If you think working for a living means you have no life, we’ve been at peace for far too long.
Cynthia Carey one of the questions on a political analysis test was whether or not people who can get a job and choose not to should receive support from society. a simple example is stay at home moms and that is part of why I'm a socialist
Cynthia Carey , I counted the number of hours a mom works a week raising a child. It 160 hours a week. She on duty 24 hours a day 7 days a week. There is no time she's not on duty.
This is what a man looks like when he's curious about the world, wants to understand, is capable of understanding it, wants to explain it and wants to change it (take note Zizek, Peterson et al)
Not sure, even he himself will admit everyone has their "axe to grind." I think he knows his stance and is not shy in saying it. Sometimes he says things that I just don't plain agree with, such as his stance on personhood as based on moral responsibility, by which I mean not a beings capacity to suffer. He is legitimately correct according to one perspective on this matter, that is to say internally consistent. I don't think it is out of blind altruism.
“It is assumed that if it is the kind of work that woman do it isn’t work”. After watching David Graebers lecture on the origin of Capitalism and reading his book on Debt, that sentence has a whole new meaning to me.
@@RextheRebel It does if you take into account what Chomsky is saying here. Matter of fact it is at the bed rock of all surplus goods because the number one thing u need to have surplus goods is a mentally and emotionally healthy workforce, which is what mothers produce.
@@jd7634 you guys are stretching the definition way too thin. I'm not opposed to mother's getting paid for raising children. I'm merely pointing out they never needed to for the longest time and that no, because the value of their labor ceases the moment they stop, it is literally not fit under the definition of productive labor. You know what what isn't productive labor but is still extremely valuable? The military.
As a parent I can say raising kids is the most difficult thing I've ever had to do. The most expensive in terms of time, money, and energy as well. Just incredible amount of resources to get them to learn and do basic things, to be fed, to be potty trained, to eat reasonable food -- they don't come "pre-programmed" to do these things in a "normal" way. It's truly incredible. That Welfare Mom or any Mom or any parent at all regardless of sex, merely raising kids who don't contribute to society is a net negative if they tax society. So there's some extra context. Yes, it's very hard work, but have to also produce citizens who have ethics, both moral and work ethic to contribute to society.
Yea and his point is that you should be compensated for that - those good citizens your raising will benefit future companies and the nation, and they should help out.
God had nothing to do with this. Specifically, your blonde haired blue eyed version of white American God has absolutely nothing to do with this. Weep. Cope. Christianity died. Or unless you'd like to talk about the catholic church and it's relationship to young boys? Don't insult Mr. Chomsky with your nonsense. thanks !
One of the simplest topics I've heard Chomsky talk about and with such clarity... Nice to be able to listen to this man without burning so much rubber.
Nomsky is spot on regarding raising a child and not working.And how many women are working paying for expensive child care or the grandparents are the fallback.No retirement for many eldelry people looking after grandchildren In the U.K the whole child care and working mothers is out of balance and outdated.
0:46 "so if you're raising a child you're not working?" ('Society' says it isn't work) 0:59 "the fundamental assumption is" 1:11 "meritocratic society" 2:07 "tacit assumption that underlies" 2:22 "utterly outlandish premises" 2:48 "human capital" how much a human can contribute to growth 3:22 "you oughta be paying welfare mothers a high salary" 3:59 "serious internal contradiction" 4:11 "mythical number keeps changing depending on what purposes trying to achieve" 4:19 "mystic number" 4:34 "pay people to stay off the labor market" 4:47 "internal contradictions and absurdities"
The original video has been deleted... I'm so gutted! So many UNIQUE uploads of Chomsky talks have been deleted over the years. I regret not making a backup sooner. Could be lost forever.
I absolutely agree that raising children is work, as long as it is quality controlled like work for someone else. In this case, the child is the employer and society needs to verify for its sake that the work is well done. That'd be the single important caveat.
*Seeker-Please* knowledge for free! Thank you 😊 (All chop wood )Raised to believe everything is and should be earned. Homes, cars, education, clothing, food or even healthcare are free for some and not me!! How could that be! Growing up we children had chores in and out doors. We earned our keep. We respected our elders and cleaned out some cellar's. Learned how to cook from a great big book. Mom had a job look at us three. Mom and Dad had time then you see. Dad would work pay most the bill's. Mom was home teaching Jeff and Jill new skills. What is right use your sight!! This world now needs be set *write-on* Change we must this understood! Equality my friends means we all chop some wood!! No color no shade nor gender or faith will be treated better! We must learn to live together
jaye see Man how is it that an indoctrination can rob yall of simplest human consciousness? I am consistantly amazed at the thorough enslavement of the human mind. It seems, and Bernays agrees, generationally the manipulation of mankind on the whole becomes twice if not 10 times more effective upon the following generations. Knowledge, Intellect takes a slow absorption of those such as Neitzche "God is dead and we have killed him", Kropotkin, Prudhomme, Solzanitkin, Goldman, Debbs, IWW, the resources are plentiful, the requirement is that you do the work. It will not be spoon fed to you, I am EXTREMELY SCEPTICAL, of anything spoon fed as being remotely true, or valuable information. Fact is there are many, people who think, and live, highly self educated intellectual lives as logical empowered humans. You must seek them out, "Wilsonian" and "Reagans Police State" policies are finely honed weapons against Anarchists, Socialists(fyi no authoritarian anything can ever be good), Communists, hell anything but the status qoue is to be instantly, and harshly, ostracized thanks to Mandatory Factory Public Schooling. So seek us out, turn off any form of media, distance yourself from the electronic illusions, and soon with some effort you will find there are more folks then you ever thought possible just like Chomsky, only still physically active in bringing darkness to light.
Tacit assumptions! 2:05 Or presuppositions.. Unconscious beliefs.. We all need to work a bit less so as to relax and meditate.. So that we can uncover those false tacit assumptions we deeply believe in.. So as to free ourselves (and our kids!) from our false and stressful thoughts...
3:50 "The whole story unravels completely, when you look at it closely." Make sure to keep a good book of myths (Greek, Chinese, or Indian or Biblical) nearby as long as another story is needed desperately. And the sign of maturity: no story is needed any more. Reality is loved as is.
We need more children in the world, because God knows, the world will come to an end when the National Debts around the world cannot be serviced anymore. First one to suffer may be Japan :( , then it's a house of cards from there on. Paradoxically we will suffocate the world with too many people. So the choice must be made between the status quo, or a complete change of social systems. Technocracy or Cyberocracy is a good replacement for past and current systems.
I AM a Mother l m raising my Son and my Daughter with my money My Time My Energy as All but how some gov. Harass Innocent Parents to lucrative sinister activities abusing kids in Europe its disgusting !
I'm sorry but I think the question was "forcing vagrants to work". Am I missing something or did Chomsky twist it around to make the topic about vagrant mothers. I love the work of Chomsky, I just seem to be missing the point here. English isn't my first language btw, if I missed something.
As I veiw the assinine assumption that arbitrary monetizing of humanity, makes absolutely no sense. No man created mankind therefore man is priceless. Clearly life is a miracle, a priceless miracle. That said, consider that a mother brings a child into this world, through some miracle it survives and enters society. So then the task of making children, then raising children with the greater good for society in mind is perhaps entirely the very most valuable thing a mother or father can do in this world. The current lifestyle of stress, over work, insecurity of all required items for survival, contradiction, and outright systemic violence, is just ruthless nonsense. Once again proving that illusions of govt authority being necessary in any way shape or form, is laughable that we have allowed govt to continue this long. If its not clear by now that govts, or any psuedo authority can or will actually do anything for the majority, is just plain ignorant.
The government of China did an amazing work of lifting the nation out of poverty and transforming it into the tech giant it has become. I believe the fault lies in the election system, where it is absolutely vital to get the vote under the time constraint given where it drives people to desperate measures where you accept sponsors because money = tv time, pr and marketing for yourself which are the most important aspects for a presidential candidate. And then when you are elected you are indebted to your sponsors (these are big oil, big pharma etc corporations) and you do what they want. (cutting taxes etc). And then the next election in 4 years you need money again. Its a vicious circle where no good work to benefit the average citizen ever gets done. If it is done then the next elected official undoes the work because they got elected because of corporate money. I believe the way out is to choose a good person based on their life's work and values and set them as president for life. Sorry i know this was out of the blue but I have had this conclusion for our way out in the US and UK from false prophet leaders like Barack Obama and our current situation with Brexit and Trump. Needed to let it out.
LOL, pseudo.authority. Is that what God is to you? Pseudo authority? Do you think the bible was man made as well, that the life skills written in it are nothing, and can be ignored? Then we always have this word "responsibility" thrown out in the air. What is responsibility? I told my brother yesterday, as I was doing something, other than pacing; "It's a responsible act to take care of ones home." Now animals will kind of mess things up, just like unruly children, but for the most part at least try and keep it clean and orderly. Mr. Protector of the Timeline, wouldn't you agree? Ha Ha
Chomsky is always looking at the worst case scenario when it come to policies and there imperfection. No it doesn't mean if you are a single mother you are not working! It means if you are a single mother; And you are not working, help with transportation may be one option. Chomsky has developed a narrow vision controlled by his focus on. You are bad I am good. I guess these federal agencies and corporations that write checks at MIT are good to go?? Chomsky goes straight to the bank: good because he benefits from them .
i ignore the second statement as its just some stupid assumptions and personal attacks. however lets face your actual argument: no he is not looking at the worst case scenario. work often times means wage labour. and if you are "just" a mother you are not working. thats just reality and not some scenario. he also dont say a mother cant do anything else in her time. however why would you expect that from her and not from a regular "worker" to do some other stuff in his off time.
@@AymanB Thanks again for the video, but the source description link is invalid. Could you provide the name of the full lecture, perhaps? Since the video is from the q&a portion it's impossible to know from its content. Thanks!
I would say though that if you filed for a welfare check for the work of raising children, it should be permissible for regular social worker checkups to assess the quality of the work. A parent who tutors and helps them with homework after school, teaches them practical life lessons (who here has had their parents explain how taxes work?), providing healthy social activities, a stimulating environment, food that isn't just a boiled hotdog wrapped up in a white bread bun, then yes being a mother could be considered full time work.
i agree, but i dont think checkups would make someone care more about their own children if they otherwise would only halfass the work. the quality of the work will reveal itself in the finished product. if it requires multiple generations, so be it
@@michaelreed6603 That is a good stance, I was just sort of spitballing. All this logic circles on itself, and yeah, it play out through multiple generations. Too bad, by definition, you nor I will be there to see the finished work :)
first of all, this is a pretty odd view on humans and human nature. like you need to supervise someone so the properly do something. especially odd when its about children second, the fact that you can do something bad, doesnt mean you need to be supervised, drilled, punished etc. third, even if you ignore point 2 and just do it, it wont improve anything, let alone be manageable. fourth, being filed for a welfare check when you raise kids is a joke in itself.
@@BuGGyBoBerlYeah, lotta holes in this logic. Who’s going to be the authority to say that one way of parenting is right and the other isn’t? Who’s going to be their authority? Just a sort of narrow idea.
While there are plenty of good, struggling, often single parents, there's plenty who use the idea of welfare or child support as incentive to lay around and pop out kids. Kind of anecdotal, but not all moms are made equal. There's plenty like mine and all my friends', who would sooner pocket the money for booze, cigarettes, and partying and essentially leave their kids to die - literally. So while it's true rearing children isn't economically considered, measured, or valued, it's tricky finding a way to go aout making it so.
well you cherrypick bad examples. but one have to bear in mind that this is a minority. most mothers/fathers want the best for their kids. also people wont just make 10 children because they get money. the point rather is that they arent heavily disadvantaged when they get kids and child support. this will indeed lead to a few more kids but we the amount of kids one has is mostly bound to other factors. idk but you portray a very negative view on human beings which imo isnt very realistic. at least for the majority.
The more basic idea is that women are a force of nature, nature produces things without effort, and only effort deserves to be compensated. Would you give money to an apple tree in exchange for its apples? So the carrying of the baby to term is all effortless, as mothers everywhere can attest. Raising the child, admittedly, requires effort, but it's basically a private hobby, and why should there be any social support for someone's private hobby?
Leave it to the man who will never have to be pregnant for nine months then push a watermelon sized human out of a tiny orifice to say "the carrying of the baby to term is all effortless." In fact "mothers everywhere can attest" to the opposite of what you are saying. I've seen plenty of bedbound women confined to a lying position for months so that they don't risk losing their babies. "Raising the child, admittedly, requires effort, but it's basically a private hobby," what an absurd statement, you are comparing raising a human to playing an instrument or a sport. Raising a child is a 24 hour a day job of taking care of a fragile human that depends on you for it every need. Until the children are of schooling age to be able to be under the supervision of a teacher of 8 hours a day women don't get any breaks. Hobbies are peoples breaks that they do for some fun and respite, raising children is not a lighthearted break from the stresses of life. Men like you are the reason so many women are going childfree. It'S NoT a ReAL JoB, It'S a HobBY. Just say you think that you think it's a woman's role to take care of the children because its a fun hobby for them and therefore they don't deserve compensation or recognition for their efforts and go. Men like you make me so glad to be a lesbian it's unreal.
An apple does not contribute to society anywhere near the level of what a well raised human being can do. That child HAS to become part of society. By investing in mothers, and parents for that matter, we are investing in something that will benefit the country, society and shit, even the world. To call raising children "a private hobby", is a weird take on something that greatly effects everyone else, when looked at from a macro level.
God Emperor Trump turned winter into spring with his birth. He will and is fixing everything. He saved my dog. He washed my car. He delivered my wife's babies. He
Raising children as a means of contributing to the rate of capital, is all well and good IF the parents are doing a satisfactory job of raising the child.
Nonsense Noam, no one is forcing women to have children. But we are forced to work or live a life in the margins. Single mothers aren't ostracized, in fact they're taking care of with anti male legislation like alimony and child support (what amounts to years of financial slavery for men) and the possibility to send your children to daycare. People come up with the vilest language when talking about unemployed men but I have yet come across a person who called housewives and single mothers ''bums'' and ''parasites'' (which you are if your forcing a man to pay for the next 18 years while the mother does nothing.)
So stupid. Having babies doesn’t inherently bring economic value. You have to train them. Also you save money when you care for children versus paying someone else to care for them.
what if they arent being raised adequately because they dont have enough money and then the cost of the issues that arise with an unraised impoverished child after becoming adult is more costly. even if you were a soulless heathen and only cared about saving money theres that argument
You definately should not pay mothers for raising children, the powers that pay the wage will then have the power to jusdge if the job is getting done to a high enough standard that they set. Can you be fired from being a mother if it is a job? Can you evaluate the wage based on the final outcome? Noam says some silly things but to pay woment to raise children because that are working a job is insane and he should have a good shove around for that alone.
My neighbor told me her daughter will go back to work right after she has her child because “she wants to contribute to society!” I told her if she truly wants to contribute to society in any meaningful way, she should raise her son herself.
Assuming the daughter really did say that and it's not your neighbor being nuts, it's amazing how effective propaganda is.
I don't work to "contribute to society," I work to pay rent and buy food.
@@aluisious I think I see your point, but isn't there also something problematic about work that doesn't contribute to society? Can we afford to live in a society where the point of everyone's labour is only to gain money for food and housing?
Of course, you could say anyone who pays taxes also contributes to society, as (in theory) that money is put to use in providing for others. I'm just worried that we'll keep seeing these growing problems in the world while devoting our lives to activities that, at best, do nothing to help.
@@DG-loWorking for 99.9% of people IS merely to pay for their own rent/bills/food - just to survive.
Anything else that 'contributes to society' is by way of taxes that governments spend on our behalf, and by way of occasional voluntary donations to charities via the wages we earn.
We are a selfish animal.
How much do we REALLY care about 'society' or those who we'll never meet and who will never reciprocate our 'goodwill' gestures?
We actually don't, if we're brutally honest.
All any of us REALLY care about is ourselves and our immediate friends and family.
it is the children that will grow up to become society
@@iraceruk I mostly had the climate crisis on my mind as I wrote that reply, and, as to your question too, I think that will show how much we care. Some are willing to make significant sacrifices in order to avert catastrophe; others just want to secure themselves for when it comes. (Most must be somewhere in between.) But I think the ratio is nowhere near that weighted.
"The whole thing is such a tissue of internal contradictions and absurdities that it's really hard to discuss. You shouldn't be trapped into entering into discussion on the premises on which it is pursued" is one of those Chomsky quotes that are eternal and absolute.
Thanks for putting it out. I'll forward more gems if I find them.
Under rated comment.
CHOMPSKY?
Eternal absolute?
None sense..
Semi Faustian logic and Marxism
The classic MONOTONED hushed
Repeated Cliches and Platitudes
Of Karl Marx his prophet of eternal
Capitalist Christian Judeo DOOM
love the way he makes us realise our presumptions we’ve never even questioned are noting but absurd dogma. Chomsky is a giant 💪🏼
You didn't question.
Our epoch has been called the century of work. It is in fact the century of pain, misery and corruption.
Paul Lafargue
“The world of the commodity is a world upside-down, which bases itself not upon life but upon the transformation of life into work.”
- Raoul Vaneigem
The 20th was the first century without widespread slavery throughout the world, and you say it is pain and misery? You wouldn’t know misery if it slapped you in the face. You piss on the grave of every single slave and so many other real victims throughout human history when you say it used to be so much better.
You have no tangible examples of civilizations that were “based on life” rather than work. The history of humanity is working and grappling for what we can to survive the best we can. Why do you think nearly every major civilization has had slavery? Because the strong take advantage of the weak yes, but also because it takes a ton of work to maintain civilization. Some are fortunate enough to be able to enjoy significant portions of their work nowadays, but to many it remains just survival as it always has. If you think working for a living means you have no life, we’ve been at peace for far too long.
As a mom i agree with this message 😀😀😀
Cynthia Carey
Noam Chomsky is Pro Mom!
Cynthia Carey one of the questions on a political analysis test was whether or not people who can get a job and choose not to should receive support from society. a simple example is stay at home moms and that is part of why I'm a socialist
Cynthia Carey ,
I counted the number of hours a mom works a week raising a child. It 160 hours a week.
She on duty 24 hours a day 7 days a week. There is no time she's not on duty.
Respect for all mommies
He's fantastic
This is what a man looks like when he's curious about the world, wants to understand, is capable of understanding it, wants to explain it and wants to change it (take note Zizek, Peterson et al)
With truth that is beyond like or dislike, but fact.
Not sure, even he himself will admit everyone has their "axe to grind." I think he knows his stance and is not shy in saying it. Sometimes he says things that I just don't plain agree with, such as his stance on personhood as based on moral responsibility, by which I mean not a beings capacity to suffer. He is legitimately correct according to one perspective on this matter, that is to say internally consistent. I don't think it is out of blind altruism.
“It is assumed that if it is the kind of work that woman do it isn’t work”. After watching David Graebers lecture on the origin of Capitalism and reading his book on Debt, that sentence has a whole new meaning to me.
It's work but it's not productive work and by that I mean it isn't labor which results in a surplus of goods.
@@RextheRebel It does if you take into account what Chomsky is saying here. Matter of fact it is at the bed rock of all surplus goods because the number one thing u need to have surplus goods is a mentally and emotionally healthy workforce, which is what mothers produce.
@@loverofbread1017 based
@@RextheRebel They're literally helping raise productive workers, if THAT'S not productive work then I don't know wtf IS.
@@jd7634 you guys are stretching the definition way too thin. I'm not opposed to mother's getting paid for raising children. I'm merely pointing out they never needed to for the longest time and that no, because the value of their labor ceases the moment they stop, it is literally not fit under the definition of productive labor. You know what what isn't productive labor but is still extremely valuable? The military.
Absolutely right as always
Gotta love this man nothing but truth in all his books and speeches.
As a parent I can say raising kids is the most difficult thing I've ever had to do. The most expensive in terms of time, money, and energy as well. Just incredible amount of resources to get them to learn and do basic things, to be fed, to be potty trained, to eat reasonable food -- they don't come "pre-programmed" to do these things in a "normal" way. It's truly incredible.
That Welfare Mom or any Mom or any parent at all regardless of sex, merely raising kids who don't contribute to society is a net negative if they tax society. So there's some extra context. Yes, it's very hard work, but have to also produce citizens who have ethics, both moral and work ethic to contribute to society.
Yea and his point is that you should be compensated for that - those good citizens your raising will benefit future companies and the nation, and they should help out.
As a secular Jeffersonian Christian I find the placement of the cross over our man's shoulder is very appropriate. God bless you Dr. Chomsky!
God had nothing to do with this. Specifically, your blonde haired blue eyed version of white American God has absolutely nothing to do with this. Weep. Cope. Christianity died. Or unless you'd like to talk about the catholic church and it's relationship to young boys?
Don't insult Mr. Chomsky with your nonsense. thanks !
Thank You Mr.Chomsky for your enlightening talk.
Great and concise breakdown of the irrationality of neoclassical economics
One of the simplest topics I've heard Chomsky talk about and with such clarity... Nice to be able to listen to this man without burning so much rubber.
I love Chomsky.
Listening without sound it looks like a catholic priest of duty talking to his parishers (note the cross in the background)
Chopped that guys question to pieces.
human capital is a way of measuring how much a member of a society can contribute to a society; going to work increases inflation
Nomsky is spot on regarding raising a child and not working.And how many women are working paying for expensive child care or the grandparents are the fallback.No retirement for many eldelry people looking after grandchildren In the U.K the whole child care and working mothers is out of balance and outdated.
0:46 "so if you're raising a child you're not working?" ('Society' says it isn't work)
0:59 "the fundamental assumption is"
1:11 "meritocratic society"
2:07 "tacit assumption that underlies"
2:22 "utterly outlandish premises"
2:48 "human capital" how much a human can contribute to growth
3:22 "you oughta be paying welfare mothers a high salary"
3:59 "serious internal contradiction"
4:11 "mythical number keeps changing depending on what purposes trying to achieve"
4:19 "mystic number"
4:34 "pay people to stay off the labor market"
4:47 "internal contradictions and absurdities"
happy birthday noam Chomsky!
The original video has been deleted... I'm so gutted!
So many UNIQUE uploads of Chomsky talks have been deleted over the years. I regret not making a backup sooner. Could be lost forever.
there are so many chomsky lectures that have been lost from being deleted off youtube, there may not even be an original saved anywhere
I absolutely agree that raising children is work, as long as it is quality controlled like work for someone else.
In this case, the child is the employer and society needs to verify for its sake that the work is well done.
That'd be the single important caveat.
*Seeker-Please* knowledge for free! Thank you 😊
(All chop wood )Raised to believe everything is and should be earned. Homes, cars, education, clothing, food or even healthcare are free for some and not me!! How could that be! Growing up we children had chores in and out doors. We earned our keep. We respected our elders and cleaned out some cellar's. Learned how to cook from a great big book. Mom had a job look at us three. Mom and Dad had time then you see. Dad would work pay most the bill's. Mom was home teaching Jeff and Jill new skills. What is right use your sight!! This world now needs be set *write-on*
Change we must this understood! Equality my friends means we all chop some wood!! No color no shade nor gender or faith will be treated better! We must learn to live together
“Human capital”shows how brainwashed we are inside this system
noam is da GOAT
the man's a damn genius
Where are the other men like him?
S Feratovic
Anarchist groups.
Direct actions.
Libertarian Socialists.
Everywhere and no where lol.
They've all died of old age, or been assassinated under the CIA Phoenix Program...
jaye see
Man how is it that an indoctrination can rob yall of simplest human consciousness? I am consistantly amazed at the thorough enslavement of the human mind. It seems, and Bernays agrees, generationally the manipulation of mankind on the whole becomes twice if not 10 times more effective upon the following generations.
Knowledge, Intellect takes a slow absorption of those such as Neitzche "God is dead and we have killed him", Kropotkin, Prudhomme, Solzanitkin, Goldman, Debbs, IWW, the resources are plentiful, the requirement is that you do the work. It will not be spoon fed to you, I am EXTREMELY SCEPTICAL, of anything spoon fed as being remotely true, or valuable information.
Fact is there are many, people who think, and live, highly self educated intellectual lives as logical empowered humans. You must seek them out, "Wilsonian" and "Reagans Police State" policies are finely honed weapons against Anarchists, Socialists(fyi no authoritarian anything can ever be good), Communists, hell anything but the status qoue is to be instantly, and harshly, ostracized thanks to Mandatory Factory Public Schooling.
So seek us out, turn off any form of media, distance yourself from the electronic illusions, and soon with some effort you will find there are more folks then you ever thought possible just like Chomsky, only still physically active in bringing darkness to light.
Flamelike Sunset
Wth does Galileo have to do with Chomsky? Galileo was just another elite psuedo scientists.
S Feratovic their clever enough to keep their head down & keep their high paying proffeserships
Outlandish premise.
Tacit assumptions! 2:05
Or presuppositions..
Unconscious beliefs..
We all need to work a bit less so as to relax and meditate..
So that we can uncover those false tacit assumptions we deeply believe in..
So as to free ourselves (and our kids!) from our false and stressful thoughts...
3:50 "The whole story unravels completely, when you look at it closely."
Make sure to keep a good book of myths (Greek, Chinese, or Indian or Biblical) nearby as long as another story is needed desperately.
And the sign of maturity: no story is needed any more. Reality is loved as is.
A capitalist will tell you that raisin a person for, lets say, 20 years, is very unproductive.
Even though humans are the only thing that keeps the economy going
We need more children in the world, because God knows, the world will come to an end when the National Debts around the world cannot be serviced anymore. First one to suffer may be Japan :( , then it's a house of cards from there on. Paradoxically we will suffocate the world with too many people. So the choice must be made between the status quo, or a complete change of social systems. Technocracy or Cyberocracy is a good replacement for past and current systems.
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We shouldn`t raise human capital at all.
I AM a Mother l m raising my Son and my Daughter with my money My Time My Energy as All but how some gov. Harass Innocent Parents to lucrative sinister activities abusing kids in Europe its disgusting !
what are you talking about with your last part of that sentence?
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yes it's such a parody! Good video thank you!
What about doing both parenting and market speculation?
Thank You Sir
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A meritocracy, LOL, comedy from Noam.
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I'm sorry but I think the question was "forcing vagrants to work". Am I missing something or did Chomsky twist it around to make the topic about vagrant mothers. I love the work of Chomsky, I just seem to be missing the point here. English isn't my first language btw, if I missed something.
As I veiw the assinine assumption that arbitrary monetizing of humanity, makes absolutely no sense.
No man created mankind therefore man is priceless. Clearly life is a miracle, a priceless miracle.
That said, consider that a mother brings a child into this world, through some miracle it survives and enters society. So then the task of making children, then raising children with the greater good for society in mind is perhaps entirely the very most valuable thing a mother or father can do in this world. The current lifestyle of stress, over work, insecurity of all required items for survival, contradiction, and outright systemic violence, is just ruthless nonsense. Once again proving that illusions of govt authority being necessary in any way shape or form, is laughable that we have allowed govt to continue this long. If its not clear by now that govts, or any psuedo authority can or will actually do anything for the majority, is just plain ignorant.
The government of China did an amazing work of lifting the nation out of poverty and transforming it into the tech giant it has become. I believe the fault lies in the election system, where it is absolutely vital to get the vote under the time constraint given where it drives people to desperate measures where you accept sponsors because money = tv time, pr and marketing for yourself which are the most important aspects for a presidential candidate. And then when you are elected you are indebted to your sponsors (these are big oil, big pharma etc corporations) and you do what they want. (cutting taxes etc). And then the next election in 4 years you need money again. Its a vicious circle where no good work to benefit the average citizen ever gets done. If it is done then the next elected official undoes the work because they got elected because of corporate money. I believe the way out is to choose a good person based on their life's work and values and set them as president for life. Sorry i know this was out of the blue but I have had this conclusion for our way out in the US and UK from false prophet leaders like Barack Obama and our current situation with Brexit and Trump. Needed to let it out.
thats the ghost of Humes Paradox that constantly looms over us my friend. We are yet to exorcise it...
@@zayap3274 begone commie
LOL, pseudo.authority. Is that what God is to you? Pseudo authority? Do you think the bible was man made as well, that the life skills written in it are nothing, and can be ignored? Then we always have this word "responsibility" thrown out in the air. What is responsibility? I told my brother yesterday, as I was doing something, other than pacing; "It's a responsible act to take care of ones home." Now animals will kind of mess things up, just like unruly children, but for the most part at least try and keep it clean and orderly. Mr. Protector of the Timeline, wouldn't you agree? Ha Ha
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Good answer, but thought the questioner was actually referring to vagrants and not welfare mothers
by this reasoning even eating is not work, because I don't get paid to eat, but it's worth a lot to me personally. This doesn't make sense to me
Chomsky is always looking at the worst case scenario when it come to policies and there imperfection. No it doesn't mean if you are a single mother you are not working! It means if you are a single mother; And you are not working, help with transportation may be one option. Chomsky has developed a narrow vision controlled by his focus on. You are bad I am good. I guess these federal agencies and corporations that write checks at MIT are good to go?? Chomsky goes straight to the bank: good because he benefits from them .
i ignore the second statement as its just some stupid assumptions and personal attacks.
however lets face your actual argument: no he is not looking at the worst case scenario. work often times means wage labour. and if you are "just" a mother you are not working. thats just reality and not some scenario. he also dont say a mother cant do anything else in her time. however why would you expect that from her and not from a regular "worker" to do some other stuff in his off time.
Just work at MIT for 90 years. Job done!
jaye see...good job attacking the man and not his ideas...jeez you make this too easy
@@MikeRLloyd73 Yep.
The link of the source doesn't work anymore :/
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Would you tell me the name of this lecture plzzzz
There's a link to the source video in the description.
@@AymanB Thanks again for the video, but the source description link is invalid. Could you provide the name of the full lecture, perhaps? Since the video is from the q&a portion it's impossible to know from its content. Thanks!
Did you find out?
wow, very good reasoning ability..
I would say though that if you filed for a welfare check for the work of raising children, it should be permissible for regular social worker checkups to assess the quality of the work. A parent who tutors and helps them with homework after school, teaches them practical life lessons (who here has had their parents explain how taxes work?), providing healthy social activities, a stimulating environment, food that isn't just a boiled hotdog wrapped up in a white bread bun, then yes being a mother could be considered full time work.
i agree, but i dont think checkups would make someone care more about their own children if they otherwise would only halfass the work. the quality of the work will reveal itself in the finished product. if it requires multiple generations, so be it
@@michaelreed6603 That is a good stance, I was just sort of spitballing. All this logic circles on itself, and yeah, it play out through multiple generations. Too bad, by definition, you nor I will be there to see the finished work :)
first of all, this is a pretty odd view on humans and human nature. like you need to supervise someone so the properly do something. especially odd when its about children
second, the fact that you can do something bad, doesnt mean you need to be supervised, drilled, punished etc.
third, even if you ignore point 2 and just do it, it wont improve anything, let alone be manageable.
fourth, being filed for a welfare check when you raise kids is a joke in itself.
@BuGGyBoBerl Backed out on a first draft for a response, but wanted to give credit for point 2, witty.
@@BuGGyBoBerlYeah, lotta holes in this logic. Who’s going to be the authority to say that one way of parenting is right and the other isn’t? Who’s going to be their authority? Just a sort of narrow idea.
Its amazing how narrow minded and heartless right wing rhetoric thinking are
"We ought to pay mothers a high salary to improve the work they do." Sounds like Andrew Yang. #YangGang
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While there are plenty of good, struggling, often single parents, there's plenty who use the idea of welfare or child support as incentive to lay around and pop out kids.
Kind of anecdotal, but not all moms are made equal. There's plenty like mine and all my friends', who would sooner pocket the money for booze, cigarettes, and partying and essentially leave their kids to die - literally. So while it's true rearing children isn't economically considered, measured, or valued, it's tricky finding a way to go aout making it so.
well you cherrypick bad examples. but one have to bear in mind that this is a minority. most mothers/fathers want the best for their kids. also people wont just make 10 children because they get money. the point rather is that they arent heavily disadvantaged when they get kids and child support. this will indeed lead to a few more kids but we the amount of kids one has is mostly bound to other factors. idk but you portray a very negative view on human beings which imo isnt very realistic. at least for the majority.
That has nothing to do with any points Chomsky made in the video.
Problem is there aren't alot of good vvomen anymore which means there aren't alot of good mothers which means there aren't alot of good young men.
You can raise your child to be independent by age 5
Theo Kirkley my five year old was mowing lawns so he could afford his cigar habit
@@MikeRLloyd73 he's gonna have to kick that habit
The more basic idea is that women are a force of nature, nature produces things without effort, and only effort deserves to be compensated. Would you give money to an apple tree in exchange for its apples? So the carrying of the baby to term is all effortless, as mothers everywhere can attest. Raising the child, admittedly, requires effort, but it's basically a private hobby, and why should there be any social support for someone's private hobby?
Leave it to the man who will never have to be pregnant for nine months then push a watermelon sized human out of a tiny orifice to say "the carrying of the baby to term is all effortless." In fact "mothers everywhere can attest" to the opposite of what you are saying. I've seen plenty of bedbound women confined to a lying position for months so that they don't risk losing their babies. "Raising the child, admittedly, requires effort, but it's basically a private hobby," what an absurd statement, you are comparing raising a human to playing an instrument or a sport. Raising a child is a 24 hour a day job of taking care of a fragile human that depends on you for it every need. Until the children are of schooling age to be able to be under the supervision of a teacher of 8 hours a day women don't get any breaks. Hobbies are peoples breaks that they do for some fun and respite, raising children is not a lighthearted break from the stresses of life. Men like you are the reason so many women are going childfree. It'S NoT a ReAL JoB, It'S a HobBY. Just say you think that you think it's a woman's role to take care of the children because its a fun hobby for them and therefore they don't deserve compensation or recognition for their efforts and go. Men like you make me so glad to be a lesbian it's unreal.
An apple does not contribute to society anywhere near the level of what a well raised human being can do. That child HAS to become part of society. By investing in mothers, and parents for that matter, we are investing in something that will benefit the country, society and shit, even the world. To call raising children "a private hobby", is a weird take on something that greatly effects everyone else, when looked at from a macro level.
Trump will fix it ,,lol.
God Emperor Trump turned winter into spring with his birth. He will and is fixing everything. He saved my dog. He washed my car. He delivered my wife's babies. He
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For sure he will lie and say he did...
Lets hope that Trump stops funding from Marxist universities.
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Raising children as a means of contributing to the rate of capital, is all well and good IF the parents are doing a satisfactory job of raising the child.
1. he was argueing in the logic of the capitalism
2. what makes you assume they dont?
Just another academic with big theories that are impossible to implement. He's irrelevant except as a source of entertainment.
A bad mother isnt raising good capital
Nonsense Noam, no one is forcing women to have children. But we are forced to work or live a life in the margins. Single mothers aren't ostracized, in fact they're taking care of with anti male legislation like alimony and child support (what amounts to years of financial slavery for men) and the possibility to send your children to daycare. People come up with the vilest language when talking about unemployed men but I have yet come across a person who called housewives and single mothers ''bums'' and ''parasites'' (which you are if your forcing a man to pay for the next 18 years while the mother does nothing.)
And nobody i forcing men to have s3x. U sir are not a bull in a cage.
Gay men are men, they dont make babies. More men need to be gay.
So stupid. Having babies doesn’t inherently bring economic value. You have to train them. Also you save money when you care for children versus paying someone else to care for them.
what if they arent being raised adequately because they dont have enough money and then the cost of the issues that arise with an unraised impoverished child after becoming adult is more costly. even if you were a soulless heathen and only cared about saving money theres that argument
You definately should not pay mothers for raising children, the powers that pay the wage will then have the power to jusdge if the job is getting done to a high enough standard that they set. Can you be fired from being a mother if it is a job? Can you evaluate the wage based on the final outcome? Noam says some silly things but to pay woment to raise children because that are working a job is insane and he should have a good shove around for that alone.
When daddy builds you a trust fund with monthly payouts does he measure your performance?
@@ariss3304 if it is big daddy government then yes your performance will be judged, yes indeed.
@@ariss3304 sounds like you need a good shove around aswell you lunatic 😂
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