Yes it is training the mind to think however it is much more than that. It is an ongoing process that never ends and is super complex that extends to all things. All things can be learned hence education encompasses this.
Crunchy Chicharrones and as a byproduct of that, don’t think in terms of their peers. Most people find a position on a subject, then believe that as the absolute truth, and there is nothing else to learn. I’ve always noticed the arrogant posturing of college graduates when they talk to those who took a different path in life.
@@joemcbee I personaly learned 10x more things than I would if I didn't study at university. Now, after 5 years I'm finally able to study on my own efficiently. If I compare classmates from high school, those who didn't go to university, they learned almost nothing. They are very smart guys and I like them, but they are now far behind. I'm 100% sure I would end like them too. So universities are quite useful and only tiny percentage of people who start working after finishing high school can compare their ability to learn with college students, because college students do nothing, but LEARN TO STUDY.
@@zufex2029 agreed. Higher education gives you the luxury of time and opportunities to learn to analyze problems from a different perspective. It allows you to get a full grasp of the meaning of "the more you know, the less you know". In general I observe that the largest problem of highschool graduates (even the very clever ones) who didnt pursue a higher education, is that they don't even realize what they don't know.
That’s one hell of a compliment! I got one from a subordinate that made me feel really good about myself too: “You’re a true leader, not a boss. You don’t just lead the way, you show us the path for us to make it ourselves”
@@snackers7 no, it's not just learning. He's saying that being educated means you've learned enough about systems of information and how to use them properly, so you can continue to learn, critique, and create in a meaningful way. Otherwise you could just be learning about conspiracy theories or pseudoscience. It's more than having an open, inquisitive and critical mind, as the commenter suggests. Critique is meaningless if we don't know how to do it properly. That is education.
Yeah but imagination is not being cultivated and encouraged more people being labelled ADHD and drugged instead of helped to focus or be more creative. It's largely a spiritual crisis I suspect too the oppression is not just damaging people intellectually and psychologically but morally also.
To be truly educated also means to cultivate emotional self-control. One shouldn't underestimate how important this facility will be for a life well-lived. Tempering the emotions plays an immensely important role in intellectual growth too.
@@89wings44 That’s a good question and now we can find answers to emotional intelligence almost everywhere. The basics are; knowing your emotional self, practicing emotional regulation when triggers try to dis regulate you. And knowing the common things that others get dis regulated by and adapting to them. Combined with understanding personal boundary implementation. It’s not easy to learn but totally worth practicing as you learn. 👍💪
Was it Socrates who said - when it's more profitable to speak than to listen, it's time to change your company. I could listen to this clear-thinking and fair-minded guy just for food for thought. Always hungry for that.
+Skepsi B - Socrates hit on another key component of being educated: recognizing your own ignorance. Unless you truly come to grips with how little you know about so much, you won't have the motivation to go out and seek knowledge to remedy this ignorance.
+A Skeptical Human Dear Skeptical - I missed my place in the order of things by hitting the wrong key. My response to yours is nearby. Hope you read it, it contains a thank you.
@ Skepsi B : yeah me too. What amazes me is that people who are probably not educated or informed say he's a liberal who doesn't grasp reality and other baseless types of comments. I think the world is going to have lost a great man and it makes me sad to think of it. We should celebrate him before he leaves us and thank him for his lifetime of work studying hard .
I taught a few classes at a university as an adjunct professor and occasionally was a guest lecturer. One thing that used to rip me was when I was presenting a difficult concept and someone would raise their hand and their question wasn't asking for clarification; they wanted to know if this was going to be on the test. They sure didn't want to waste their time learning something this difficult if it wasn't going to be on the test! It seems to me most students are automata. They study for tests so they can pass classes so they can get a diploma so they can get a good job so they can hopefully someday have a decent life only to find at middle age that it was all a waste of time and their life still sucks. Instead students should study things because they are difficult. They should have an epiphany. Their education should be the process of broadening their horizons rather than walking a narrow path. They should learn things because they are worth learning instead of because it is a hurdle to clear.
That's kind of a ridiculous thing to say. When you're in school, your goal is to get a degree. It's absurd to say that getting a degree is something that people wake up one day and think was a waste of time. If that degree provided them with their career then they would never think that.
superdog797 It is a waste of time to get a degree but not an education. It is a waste of time to get a paycheck but to be stuck in a rutt. It is a waste of time to do what everyone else expects you to but ignore your own wellbeing. It is a waste of time to exist but not to live. Life should be an adventure rather than an unending grind.
Al Dente That's easy to say but in the real world you have to make money to survive and the more money you make, all else being equal, the better off your offspring will be. This is also good for society because money is literally a measure of social utility. The vast majority of people who graduate with practical degrees will be better off than had they tried to make it on their own, because the vast majority of people are just not geared towards "working for themselves" - they are far more productive when they are part of something larger and someone is telling them what to do. The point of school is not to produce the most educated student, but rather to provide a way to rank a student's ability to meet specific demands under pressure. Education in the sense Chomsky is talking about is nothing more than a genuine desire and ability to learn, and to strive to continue to learn, of your own volition. But what does a company care if you are curious about the world or not, if what they need you to do is crunch numbers, create a software program, or produce a new pharmaceutical drug within a given time frame? Your "education" to them is irrelevant - what matters is your grades. If the goal of school were to produce the most educated student there would be no point in ranking students. So the students who are concerned about what's on the test understand what the purpose of school is. If they wish to be educated to satisfy some sort of life preference that is up for them to decide in their own free time.
Unfortunately the distraction here is that RUclips gives priority to American material, much of which is posted by stupid teenagers with their caps on backwards and who use "like" twenty times in each sentence and call each other "dude". If anybody knows how to filter out that sort of crap I would love to know!
Mmm maybe for some people. Having access to internet does not always mean you are well educated. You can find everything on internet even though if you come from a “well educated family or background “. Can’t generalized everyone.
He is referring to the past. He was, and still is, a luminary in computer sciences. In the 1960s and 70s he was one of the intellectuals exposing the CRIMES of the Western powers, particularly USA, committed under the guise of DEMOCRACY and PROGRESS. Not many had the guts, clarity and eloquence to do that. What's his is his. After that, he became a Has Been trying to keep his iconic status. Championed mainly by left organizations. He stated they Israel is commiting GENOCIDE against the Arab "Palestinians". He was a great figure in Syntax and, with others (!), fathered computer languages. He doesn't know shit about SEMANTICS. Go to sleep, old man. You were a very intelligent man. You're not a prophet.
This is on point. Imagine being able to do anything you want to, without depending on other people, having the ability and gumption to test your ideas irl. That's worthy of respect. First then can you call yourself an adult, being truly independent - not only by having your own place to live at and managing your own economy, but actually making a true difference in the world, or at least try to. Never allowing fear to stop you, that is fear of exclusion or fear of being disliked, but following your mind and the logic you've created for yourself. Doing whatever it takes to make things happen. I'm amazed of this idea.
Ok try to relax, many adults do not change the world at all mate, and the mind usually takes you into a corner. To change the world using your mind, the general scale of that action is equivalent to inventing an 'i-phone level' product/concept and then marketing it across all markets/audiences possible. Basically a FAANG level company has some relative impact on the world... Most adults dont even maintain a blog so, easier said than done to change the world with thought alone...
I am a linguist working on Chomskyan linguistics, and I show this vide to my students on every possible occasions. I also show this video to my colleagues whenever possible. I think it is important that higher educations have a clear sense of direction, or view, about where we are going.
In front of Noam Chomsky, you could have a look at what Norbert Wiener said on such topics... You can find it in the Epilogue of “Ex-Prodigy”, first part of his 2 parts-autobiography; and in his posthumus manual: “Invention. The Care and Feeding of Ideas”. The latter was a manual supposed to provide a new generation of scientists the materials to get off the illusions and fantasies of their elder... Noam Chomsky worked on a universal grammar able to take control of minds; Norbert Wiener, son of a greatest philologist self-made to Harvard Univ., worked on how to use digital machines to allow human brain better get recognition among humans, so that mankind would gain in communication. On this last point you can see “The Human Use of Human Beings” (aka “Cybernetics & Society”).
Maybe not going anywhere is only right education? Jiddu Krishnamurti would agree with me on this. Maharshi would as well. What is education, what is understanding?
@@peternielsen8601 isn't it precisely: going? Although yep, Krishnamurti and many other less known had really interesting reflections on these topics. I feel what our education lacks the most, is the sense of the legacy from where we're from (closely, not at larger scales: e.g., nation, ethnicity...): culture. And culture fundamentally is about sensing, internally and externally. Personality, which means: living...
When our dean talked to my graduating class in medical school in 1962, he said. " Half of what we have taught you here is wrong, and it's up to you to discover that half." He was correct; education never stops.
Noam Chomsky talks about a world-famous physicist who taught at MIT who would tell his class, "It's not important what we cover in the class, it's important what you discover." I asked Professor Chomsky who that was. Here is his answer: Victor Weisskopf.
I have knowledge in three sciences and have no graduation certificate. In your eyes I am not educated! Continue with this rhetoric and you will end up with millions graduated morons.
Snuggle toothed, I appreciate your deep attempts at informing trump supporters. It's what I've tried to do too. As I see it, there isn't an argument to be had with people who don't even have an understanding of the basic facts, so you have to explain and teach the facts and then have a discussion with an equally informed person. Too many conversations with trump people are just A) the liberal makes verifiably factual statement and then the trump supporter slings accusations, half truths poorly understood, and ignorant racist comments.
Self-education is much more important than academic education. One can be educated a lot more by just reading important books independently in a library than attending the most expensive university. After all each classe in colleges is usually less than an hour, but you have to study hours and hours after each class to make good grades. So it is always YOU who educate yourself by reading the text books, not your teacher or the school. In other words, BOOKS, great books, are the main sources of education, as well as your life experiences and skill development. But none of these or no education is possible to gain if there is no *courage to learn* In the very beginning.
Mostly agree with you except one issue. In my experience classes do help you learn better, absorb concepts faster especially if the teacher is competent. Reading the material after a fruitful class further strengthens understanding.
Congratulations. Imagine...if Socrates... Plato...where not known by the people of their times. We are living in that world. Don't have to imagine....just look around. Literally...non in my life know Chomsky. He is my model human. 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Noam is correct. Being a linguist he uses lots of words. Here is a simplified translation. The primary purpose of education is to teach people how to learn.
@@johnvanvliet2076 Or just a very genuine, kind, man who has dedicated his life to the general improvement of the life of humanity, rather than living an easy life which he very easily could have chosen.
It seems to me that most young people in my age, even in higher education don't give a good shit about education in the sense of actually learning anything and applying critical thinking. They just go through the motions in order to reap the material benefits of a good paying job, status of high grades and on the psychological benefit of stroking their ego. Good little obedient workers they've become
most education does not give the proper setting to pursue things that oneself finds interesting... So it is to me to no surprise that people your age do not actively participate in a system that much more indoctrinates than educates
I like Chomsky's perspective. Here's another one, similar, by Steven Pinker: “It seems to me that educated people should know something about the 13-billion-year prehistory of our species and the basic laws governing the physical and living world, including our bodies and brains. They should grasp the timeline of human history from the dawn of agriculture to the present. They should be exposed to the diversity of human cultures, and the major systems of belief and value with which they have made sense of their lives. They should know about the formative events in human history, including the blunders we can hope not to repeat. They should understand the principles behind democratic governance and the rule of law. They should know how to appreciate works of fiction and art as sources of aesthetic pleasure and as impetuses to reflect on the human condition. On top of this knowledge, a liberal education should make certain habits of rationality second nature. Educated people should be able to express complex ideas in clear writing and speech. They should appreciate that objective knowledge is a precious commodity, and know how to distinguish vetted fact from superstition, rumor, and unexamined conventional wisdom. They should know how to reason logically and statistically, avoiding the fallacies and biases to which the untutored human mind is vulnerable. They should think causally rather than magically and know what it takes to distinguish causation from correlation and coincidence. They should be acutely aware of human fallibility, most notably their own, and appreciate that people who disagree with them are not stupid or evil. Accordingly, they should appreciate the value of trying to change minds by persuasion rather than intimidation or demagoguery.”
"They should be acutely aware of human fallibility, most notably their own, and appreciate that people who disagree with them are not stupid or evil. Accordingly, they should appreciate the value of trying to change minds by persuasion rather than intimidation or demagoguery." We need so much more of that.
Dylan Williams I disagree with those who disagree with you being not evil all the time. You can must definitely find disagreement with someone and they’re evil
I didn't start to get educated till I gave up caring what I was supposed to do in school. I went to the library all day, I read whatever i found interesting. I took the classes i wanted not what I was supposed to. I've earned no degrees, but have completed about 200 credit hours in lots of areas. I worked and did more 1/2 at night. I'm 66 now and have 6 books i'm reading now. Our schools are a huge failure.
I had a similar experience. I practically failed every year in public school. I played hooky all the time. And I always had to go to summer school. By the time I graduated high school, it was half a year later than the rest of my classmates, and my GPA was terrible (at least I graduated). I worked at Walmart for a year, and then applied to community college because I didn't want to work at Walmart for the rest of my life. I took classes that actually interested me, with no declared major, and I ended up making all A's the first year. I was able to transfer to a university with a scholarship that paid 90% of my tuition (I had to take out loans for the rest of the cost). Four years later, I graduated cum laude, with a bachelor of arts in philosophy, a bachelor of science in anthropology, and a minor in biology in the genetics/evolution track. There's also some sort of writing certificate listed on my transcript for taking so many classes with a writing focus, but I don't think it actually means all that much. I just wanted to take classes where I could directly participate in the conversation. Those were always the most satisfying classes. And my independent study classes. There is not as much ability to be lazy with readings when it's just you and the professor talking it through one-on-one every day, but it's very intellectually stimulating. I'm trying to go back to grad school.
@@darbyheavey406 Who are you talking to? Your comment doesn't make any sense. 'most of those commentators don't..' What are you on about. Noam is a linguist and political analyst. So he is apt to comment on most if not all of human matters. Stop leaving silly replys to comments 👍
@@guilhermecorrea9483 you will be forgotten soon. He has more written more than 100 books. He is most quoted intellectual of academic human history. You either dumb. Or a cia bot.
Thank you Mr. Chomsky. I always am reminded of that underlying spark of curiosity and inquiry that we each can activate into all aspects of life and society when I listen to you!
@@TeaParty1776 What destructiveness? Education should just include to teach how to govern yourself and to question and critically examine what you find in this world, so that useless, or even harmful, baggage is sorted out.
@@TeaParty1776 Anarchy is the absence of any kind of state to which people would be subject. What makes you think this would result in murderous and pillaging gangs? Humanity's principle modus operandi is cooperation.
@@TeaParty1776 Do you think disputes can only be resolved by a higher force? Sorting problems out among equals _has_ to work for humans to get along with each other. Since humans are getting along with each other for hundreds of thousands of years (mind you, long before the existence of state-like structures), it is safe to assume that this is managable. The consensus of the community should guarantee sufficient objectivity.
@@theindiandragon4821 Formulating the basis for your educational journey and to find authentic unbiased sources regarding that, is DIFFICULT. Its like the real "knowledge" is hidden somewhere deep down beneath this plethora of data, videos and, articles and pdfs.
I taught at a well-respected university and was evaluated on how much my students like me and not on what skills they learned. I left teaching after that.
Itzel Direm This is becoming more and more prevalent in my own country (England) too, as the degree of student 'satisfaction' supercedes the importance of student engagement and understanding of what they are taught. As long as they are 'satisfied', that is feeling like they are educated, then all is ostensibly well. This seems to be the concomitant result of the increased commodification and marketisation of higher education that increasingly blights institutions, and I sadly don't see that ending any time soon. I'm sorry to hear you've left teaching; it is an art and discipline I aspire to undertake in the future myself. I remain optimistic that students and academics will, particularly the former, become cognizant of this and change will be fought for before too long.
@@c.j.griffin It will change for the worst. Education is becoming entertainment. A teacher is supposed to put on a show so he is "liked" (as in a FB post), and evaluated positively. He's also supposed to be publishing at a ridiculously high rate so to prove that he isn't slacking off. Classic control tactic here. Obviously he won't be published for slicing current government policies, or by taking up radical stances in controversial topics.
As a blue hair myself I think curiosity is an extremely underrated trait. You never know where it will lead you. The adventures you will have. Curiosity just opens other real doors and imagined doors for the inquiring mind to delve into.
A close friend of mine in law school told me that I was an intellectual. I denied it because I did not think I was very smart. He corrected me, and said that an intellectual is a curious person. I almost forgot his definition, in 1986, thanks for reminding me.
I remember in high school when my friend complimented me, it went along the lines of, "you are a deep thinker, every time you speak I am always expecting some sense to emerge from what you say". Still gives me the goosebumps till date and thank you for that compliment wherever you are.
This is an excellent point made by Chomsky! To be considered as well educated it is not enough, or even necessary, to have memorized a lot of data and information (although a decent memory helps, and some level of knowledge is necessary). I think at the core of outstandingly well educated individuals is a strong desire to understand what is actually true of reality! A prerequisite is a dedication to honesty and integrity that takes precedence over ego concerns. Truly well educated individuals do not mind being corrected if they make a mistake -- on the contrary, they thank the other person for the correction. Two top examples of truly well educated people are (in my opinion): Carl Sagan and Carol Tavris. (Also, of course, Noam Chomsky.)
He's had enormous influence across many many fields, and been a consistent truth teller in a complicated world. You on the other hand can't even form coherent sentences...
I wish I could GO BACK IN TIME TO MY CHILDHOOD and teach myself after I've discovered what's important and what's I'm suited to. My decades of school didn't teach me anything I could pay my bills of or fulfil my passions. I've learned to read and write myself. Thank you schools for wasting my time and stressing me out.
I am a 24yrs young woman and I never graduated high school because i couldn't find the money to pay my fee for the subject. So i had to drop out, now here i am going to classes again trying to get an high school diplomat and its not easy I'm going through depression, panick attack, anxiety etc because I'm so anxious about failing and what would become of my life at this age; mind you i read alot of books and understand certain thing's in life without having a diplomat. But i dont know why i bother to pay my money to do any schooling now when I'm actually learning the simple concept of life and educating myself; i lost weight because of it. The point is no one could tell that i didn't have a degree or graduated high school because of the level of my thinking and the way i talk.
@@asenickesha5267your education does not determine the way you talk or act. But it can open intellectual doors for you that would have otherwise been inaccessible. Don't worry about your age, you are very young and have a lot ahead of you. I can only imagine the mental struggles you underwent and hope you pushed through to get your diploma
Marvelous to hear world renowned linguist / educator / philosopher, Noam Chomsky, advocating for what comes naturally to children - inquiry following curiosity that is sparked in stimulating environments. Our childrens' natural propensities are stifled in conventional teaching situations to the extent that they become disempowered and subjugated to the establishment. And we wonder what has become of the democratic process when so few who have the vote actually use it. Our young grow up to become consumers rather than thinkers .....
I like listening to Noam.People like him are rare and he makes you think.If we had more people like him ruling the planet how different our world would be.We can only hope and encourage young people to think and that life is not only about material things but human relations.
Thank you, sir. Curiosity. I was always a curious kid. Often got squelched for it, and even disciplined for 'talking out of turn.." (Any teacher who ever does this to a kid should be throttled)..Anyway at 73 I hold my capacity to be curious even dearer now than I did when I was 6!!!
I firmly believe that constructive curiosity is probably the defining quality required to be educated - 'constructive' because curiosity on its own is not a directed curiosity. To be able to learn the curiosity must be able to ask new questions while learning from previous experience - this is where 'constructive' come into play.
I believe Chomsky talked about Russell's ideas on education as well. In his essay, Russell emphasizes on the spirit of free inquiry and the value of intrinsic discipline, both of which help a person acquire ideal education.
@ el coveney : so are you if that's your picture. What Chomsky is saying is very beautiful. Why is half our country comprised of these hateful people with animus and vitriol loo k
On the contrary, I think those few teachers who understand the flaws with the system have the most positive impact on students. As a student myself, I mostly dislike school for various reasons, but those few teachers who really know what they're doing can make a huge difference.
I wish I could do or say something to cheer a person like that up, he never stop giving, do I hope he's also happy, or at least content. Imagine if the officials in USA, people high up, media, politicians and similar had given him due credit for all his service not only to his local community, but to USA and the whole world. North-America is fanatical in it's silence against anyone that question that USA are Gods specially chosen nation, with better people then anywhere else. No weakness admitted.
We are so thankful that his videos will live forever even after he leaves us. I wish him good health and prosperity. May he live another 1000 years and keep educating us.
Thanks to you, Prof. Chomsky, that today I have acquired vast knowledge about history and politics. You were my first step into the world of knowledge that is so vital today without which I would have been brain dead, I thank you for the books that I read online understanding about politics and also history. I will always be grateful to you,
@@lorenzomcnally6629 It is essential to separate work from the artist and appreciate the work and don’t fall into idolatry of a person. I believe that’s what you are trying to convey
I think schools should be teaching Critical Thinking, Logic, and how to argue/debate properly at a young age. Here in the US at least, they do not do that. They bombard you with rote memorization for the most part. Being able to think for yourself, ask the right questions, form educated opinions and defend them properly are skills that are required almost every day of our lives, and yet nobody knows how to have argue without resorting to ad hominem or other logical fallacies. This leads to people becoming heated and arguing over nonsense. Unfortunately, I truly believe our government does not want a population that can think for themselves. They want good little hard working consumers who don't question what's being presented to them as the truth. They should also focus more on how to handle money, save, invest, etc from a young age. But no, they want wage slaves. A core education should first and foremost consist of skills that are required in daily life for everyone.
Well said. An intelligent and informed electorate scares the shit out of many republicans. That's why they are underfunding schools and appointing morons to high-positions in our educational system to destroy the system from within.
If America put in place what you are advocating, there would be fewer twinkies at the local grocery store and fewer latte choices at the local Starbucks. And I just don't think Americans like to part with their twinkies and lattes. Those things are worth invading other countries for, hence the trillions spent on the military.
“Oh good - WHEW! - Noam Chomsky’s description of ‘education’ is something I can shoehorn my own ignorance into, and feel like I am thinking for myself. Thanks, Noam, for approving my version of, and making me feel like, I am being ‘original’!!”
Hi, I changed my mind. I infer that Mr. Chomsky is a smugly resentful and petty man when it comes to defending his Marxist / Communist beliefs. His general social and economic Leftist views might be more intolerant and unpalatable than I had previously supposed. So with respect, I'm now entirely skeptical until I can know otherwise. To give his due Noam has of course examined many interesting problems with great insights & has been called 'the greatest living mind.' The only trouble is it's water from the same well. Choose wisely.
I was held back 2 yrs in elementary in the USA. I became homeschooled from books and Kahn Academy because my mother was disgusted by the U.S. education system. She decided to incorporate the Finnish education style on our homeschooling. 4 hrs a day, 5 days a week. Graduated high school 13 years old SAT 2300.
I'm from Germany and I can feel your (prior) pain. The US and German education systems were both modeled after the Prussian public school system, which was designed to create properly deformed underlings for a feudal-capitalist state. Private schools are not the answer, though. Ripping the public school system (and everything else) from the death grip of the state is. Like Nietzsche said: State is the name of the coldest of all cold monsters. Coldly lies it also; and this lie creeps from its mouth: "I, the state, am the people."
@@TeaParty1776 And you shouldn't confuse categories. Capitalism belongs to the category of economics, while feudalism belongs to the category of politics. Or what do you think Marx was writing against, at a time when feudalism still existed in Germany? Notcapitalism? And yes, the classical liberal thinkers who brought us capitalism and its theory, like Adam Smith and John Locke, for example, abhorred the idea of democracy. Even the Founding Fathers of the USA did. Why do you think your political system is so shitty?
@@TeaParty1776 So, you're not going to talk about democracy. Very telling. See, people can't be free without democracy. As I said, the classical liberals hated the idea of democracy. I wonder, why? And gender fluidity? Why should I care? I'm a heterosexual man, but I don't care how others live their lives, as long as it doesn't impact mine. That brings me back to capitalism. Capitalism always produces crises that it cannot solve by itself. 2008 comes to mind. That was solved by massive taxpayer funded state intervention, AKA socialism for the rich. And regarding Marx: I sure respect him, that's why I mentioned him, but I prefer Bakunin and Kropotkin. I want to see both, capitalism and the state, gone. David Graeber puts it best, when he says that "capitalism as a really bad way of organizing communism". Ind the same way, I might add, is the state a really bad way of organizing democracy. And, at last, conservatism: most conservatives I know want the kind of socialism back they grew up with, only they call it capitalism. The few others call themselves Libertarians and don't understand that capitalism needs the state to function at all. Both are not to be taken seriously.
@@TeaParty1776 No, that didn't destroy Athens. Last time I looked it was still there, being the capital of Greece. The Attic Democracy OTOH died after two wars against the Macedonians. And Hitler wasn't elected by a majority. Hindenburg made him chancellor to prevent the Social Democrats, Socialists and Communists from forming a government. Also, you should google for "consensus decision making" and how it improved the living conditions of the people in Porto Alegre in Brazil.
Not one word wasted! What an honor to know I live in the same timeframe this man is alive. Is like being a contemporary of Socrates, Da Vinci, or Newton.
TY Noam, inspirational life, learning to think is what makes being human worthwhile. We can't always be 100% right, nor 100% wrong but a life in pursuit of knowledge for good is better than remaining ignorant of the possibility. The world is better off for your life's work, I am grateful. God bless.
At the ripe (and higher educated) age of 50, I've concluded I would have been happier and had more friends if I'd gone through life a simpleton like Forrest Gump
Not once does Chomsky mention the (vaunted) degree. It's odd how some of the most enlightened among us, when discussing the truly educated, never talk about the degree. Yet this is what most people regard as education.
Some people who don't have college degrees are definitely better educated than some who do. There are tons of total idiots who just go through the motions to get that expensive piece of paper, without ever truly valuing the process of receiving it. It's not the paper that is meant to be valuable. It's the education by experts within a very intellectually stimulating environment. It's the fact that you have the ability to share ideas, ask thoughtful questions, and receive personalized answers. What good is the paper, without the intellectual accomplishment that it represents? Unfortunately, the system and culture as a whole is a ridiculous mess in this country, and so, college is commonly perceived to be about investing in the future, rather than about acquiring knowledge. It is about financial success, not the search for truth. I hate that very much. That should not be the case. I do believe that college is a good way to access information that is not so easily accessible otherwise (and, sometimes, maybe not available anywhere else at all). However, a degree is not really proof of anything. It doesn't mean that you received the full value from your education, just because you got through it. That doesn't guarantee that anything actually clicked for you. It has to be a conscious effort to seek enlightenment. I have more than one degree, but I got them because I valued what the degrees stood for, not the degrees themselves. Although, I admit that I do appreciate being officially recognized for the effort. It is something that I'm proud of myself for accomplishing. So, I like having the paper and displaying it, because I'm proud of it. But it wasn't the end goal.
The danger of "educating ourselves" is the feeling that arises when we listen only to ourselves. But there's nothing wrong with it, if we keep an open mind
There is a difference between education and instruction. Going to school, to me, is more about getting instruction, whereas education is how your mind is molded based on your principles shaped by your environment ( parents, friends, society.... )
I never really started to learn the reality of how the world really works until I started to basically question everything I have been told. In my opinion, the propaganda that we have all been fed about the world is actually a lot worse than 99 percent of the people understand. The key to learning is to automatically believe that almost everything you have been told by official sources is either partly or completely propaganda.. The smartest and most educated people I know think this way...
“Education is not merely the acquisition of knowledge it is ability to bend the truth to your will and gain using a perceived intelligence as your smoke screen” - Jim Cramer
Chomsky is a good argument why homeschooling is a better education than public schools, and a trade is more honest and intelligent pursuit than college.
A lot of people are truly blessed to be educated and have parents with money , unlike others, who never have that opportunity in life, count your blessings.. Peace..
As brilliant as Chomsky is on so many topics, and how correct he is about the need to self-educate and to ask questions and to discover new things, he is nevertheless still strangled by the inability to imagine education outside the restrictive box of the American "system" of K-12, college, grad school and so on. To truly educate oneself and to truly be educated as a society, this system must be revolutionized in the pioneering spirit of Maria Montessori and similar visionaries. The western system that Chomsky speaks of, and supports, is the very antithesis to his alleged vision and was in fact designed to prevent the type of free thinking and questioning he advocates.
@@GlassesAndCoffeeMugs You are probably right to a degree. Sound bites like this blur the real conceptualizations and context. But I still wonder where his truly revolutionary vision is given that he worked at MIT for decades despite it being the foundational pillar of the military state that is the US and given that he appears to be advocating a radical change within the structure of US education but not a radical alteration of that structure. These systems he speaks of are primary causes of the problems he wishes to address and in my view the systems and structures should be the focus in that a stratified, isolated, age-specific structure originally designed to train compliant factory workers and government loyalists needs to be blown up. Formal, isolated, dependent education beyond age 12 in classrooms with instructors and professors is hopelessly outdated. All this does is extend childhood well into the 20s which is not at all healthy. That doesn't mean education stops at twelve nor does dependency, but it should not be so age specific nor so passive. But I agree that Chomsky here is not advocating a literal allegiance to structure but more so is speaking to the breath of developmental time from early childhood to adulthood and in this sense I agree completely.
education is not only in school, but self education as well. the enthusiasm to read, the exchange with others, travelling, it's never ending, as Einstein said, it stops at Death
"Education is not the learning of facts; it's rather the training of the mind to think. "
Spot on.
Sadly, education is memorizing so called "facts" only to regurgitate them on paper and forget them later. Bulemic learning.
Atta girl !!....thanks.
@Crunchy Chicharrones que hablas, babas??
Yes it is training the mind to think however it is much more than that. It is an ongoing process that never ends and is super complex that extends to all things. All things can be learned hence education encompasses this.
"Education is what remains after one has forgotten what one has learned in school."
Albert Einstein
@@TeaParty1776 Yeah literally one of the top 10 greatest minds to ever exist should definitely stick to just physics.
@@TeaParty1776 no, but it's an engine towards knowledge
@@TeaParty1776 Einstein had both.
@@TeaParty1776 Yeah, he was if you just judged him by his job title.
@@TeaParty1776 Yeah but metaphors are good for comparing concepts
From my experience. the most creative minds learn to educate themselves.
Crunchy Chicharrones and as a byproduct of that, don’t think in terms of their peers. Most people find a position on a subject, then believe that as the absolute truth, and there is nothing else to learn. I’ve always noticed the arrogant posturing of college graduates when they talk to those who took a different path in life.
@@joemcbee I personaly learned 10x more things than I would if I didn't study at university. Now, after 5 years I'm finally able to study on my own efficiently. If I compare classmates from high school, those who didn't go to university, they learned almost nothing. They are very smart guys and I like them, but they are now far behind. I'm 100% sure I would end like them too. So universities are quite useful and only tiny percentage of people who start working after finishing high school can compare their ability to learn with college students, because college students do nothing, but LEARN TO STUDY.
@@zufex2029 agreed. Higher education gives you the luxury of time and opportunities to learn to analyze problems from a different perspective. It allows you to get a full grasp of the meaning of "the more you know, the less you know". In general I observe that the largest problem of highschool graduates (even the very clever ones) who didnt pursue a higher education, is that they don't even realize what they don't know.
@@SaschaGerstner exactly
@@SaschaGerstner This is so true I actually learnt almost everything I know after college but the discipline college gave me came in very handy..
I'll never forget the best complement a boss had ever given me.
She said, "You always know the right questions to ask"
*compliment
That’s one hell of a compliment!
I got one from a subordinate that made me feel really good about myself too:
“You’re a true leader, not a boss. You don’t just lead the way, you show us the path for us to make it ourselves”
One time my mom told me I’m handsome.
I get something similar from coworkers, except when they have a random question they always come get me. And i do always have an answer 😂
So..? :)
In short: developing an open, inquisitive and critical mind.
and then run it into the ground with homework!! giggle
Or: learn how to learn
So its not education :D Its learning. Its strange because professor doesnt know actually meaning of education.
@@snackers7 no, it's not just learning. He's saying that being educated means you've learned enough about systems of information and how to use them properly, so you can continue to learn, critique, and create in a meaningful way. Otherwise you could just be learning about conspiracy theories or pseudoscience. It's more than having an open, inquisitive and critical mind, as the commenter suggests. Critique is meaningless if we don't know how to do it properly. That is education.
Yeah but imagination is not being cultivated and encouraged more people being labelled ADHD and drugged instead of helped to focus or be more creative. It's largely a spiritual crisis I suspect too the oppression is not just damaging people intellectually and psychologically but morally also.
To be truly educated also means to cultivate emotional self-control. One shouldn't underestimate how important this facility will be for a life well-lived. Tempering the emotions plays an immensely important role in intellectual growth too.
@Hello there, how are you doing this blessed day?
how do we do that though
Absolutely agree
@@89wings44 That’s a good question and now we can find answers to emotional intelligence almost everywhere. The basics are; knowing your emotional self, practicing emotional regulation when triggers try to dis regulate you. And knowing the common things that others get dis regulated by and adapting to them. Combined with understanding personal boundary implementation. It’s not easy to learn but totally worth practicing as you learn. 👍💪
I agree with you completely!
Was it Socrates who said - when it's more profitable to speak than to listen, it's time to change your company. I could listen to this clear-thinking and fair-minded guy just for food for thought. Always hungry for that.
+Skepsi B - Socrates hit on another key component of being educated: recognizing your own ignorance. Unless you truly come to grips with how little you know about so much, you won't have the motivation to go out and seek knowledge to remedy this ignorance.
+A Skeptical Human Dear Skeptical - I missed my place in the order of things by hitting the wrong key. My response to yours is nearby. Hope you read it, it contains a thank you.
@ Skepsi B : yeah me too. What amazes me is that people who are probably not educated or informed say he's a liberal who doesn't grasp reality and other baseless types of comments. I think the world is going to have lost a great man and it makes me sad to think of it. We should celebrate him before he leaves us and thank him for his lifetime of work studying hard .
Skepsi B.
Seeking the truth as it relates to conscious life? Search *_Truth contest_* and read the top entry called "The Present"
I taught a few classes at a university as an adjunct professor and occasionally was a guest lecturer. One thing that used to rip me was when I was presenting a difficult concept and someone would raise their hand and their question wasn't asking for clarification; they wanted to know if this was going to be on the test. They sure didn't want to waste their time learning something this difficult if it wasn't going to be on the test! It seems to me most students are automata. They study for tests so they can pass classes so they can get a diploma so they can get a good job so they can hopefully someday have a decent life only to find at middle age that it was all a waste of time and their life still sucks. Instead students should study things because they are difficult. They should have an epiphany. Their education should be the process of broadening their horizons rather than walking a narrow path. They should learn things because they are worth learning instead of because it is a hurdle to clear.
I call this "edumatation."
I like this appropriation
That's kind of a ridiculous thing to say. When you're in school, your goal is to get a degree. It's absurd to say that getting a degree is something that people wake up one day and think was a waste of time. If that degree provided them with their career then they would never think that.
superdog797 It is a waste of time to get a degree but not an education. It is a waste of time to get a paycheck but to be stuck in a rutt. It is a waste of time to do what everyone else expects you to but ignore your own wellbeing. It is a waste of time to exist but not to live. Life should be an adventure rather than an unending grind.
Al Dente That's easy to say but in the real world you have to make money to survive and the more money you make, all else being equal, the better off your offspring will be. This is also good for society because money is literally a measure of social utility. The vast majority of people who graduate with practical degrees will be better off than had they tried to make it on their own, because the vast majority of people are just not geared towards "working for themselves" - they are far more productive when they are part of something larger and someone is telling them what to do.
The point of school is not to produce the most educated student, but rather to provide a way to rank a student's ability to meet specific demands under pressure. Education in the sense Chomsky is talking about is nothing more than a genuine desire and ability to learn, and to strive to continue to learn, of your own volition. But what does a company care if you are curious about the world or not, if what they need you to do is crunch numbers, create a software program, or produce a new pharmaceutical drug within a given time frame? Your "education" to them is irrelevant - what matters is your grades.
If the goal of school were to produce the most educated student there would be no point in ranking students. So the students who are concerned about what's on the test understand what the purpose of school is. If they wish to be educated to satisfy some sort of life preference that is up for them to decide in their own free time.
Knowing that you don't know is the beginning of knowledge.
Understanding that you don't understand is the beginning of wisdom.
I love having a curious mind. I’m so happy I’ve discovered Chomsky. Truly inspiring mind, one of a kind.
heard about that
With the internet, anyone that has access can be well educated. What one needs is a curious mind and a love for learning.
And a discerning mind. The internet is a mixed bag!
Time ...you need time to
Unfortunately the distraction here is that RUclips gives priority to American material, much of which is posted by stupid teenagers with their caps on backwards and who use "like" twenty times in each sentence and call each other "dude".
If anybody knows how to filter out that sort of crap I would love to know!
Bob Marshall
Hahah same here!!
Mmm maybe for some people. Having access to internet does not always mean you are well educated. You can find everything on internet even though if you come from a “well educated family or background “. Can’t generalized everyone.
Noam Chomsky having to introduce himself is the cutest thing I have ever seen. 💓💓
He is referring to the past.
He was, and still is, a luminary in computer sciences.
In the 1960s and 70s he was one of the intellectuals exposing the CRIMES of the Western powers, particularly USA, committed under the guise of DEMOCRACY and PROGRESS. Not many had the guts, clarity and eloquence to do that. What's his is his.
After that, he became a Has Been trying to keep his iconic status. Championed mainly by left organizations.
He stated they Israel is commiting GENOCIDE against the Arab "Palestinians".
He was a great figure in Syntax and, with others (!), fathered computer languages. He doesn't know shit about SEMANTICS.
Go to sleep, old man. You were a very intelligent man. You're not a prophet.
There is nothing "cute" about Marxism
Nothing cute about communism
Professor Chomsky is a true educator.
His mind doesn't age.
This is on point. Imagine being able to do anything you want to, without depending on other people, having the ability and gumption to test your ideas irl. That's worthy of respect. First then can you call yourself an adult, being truly independent - not only by having your own place to live at and managing your own economy, but actually making a true difference in the world, or at least try to. Never allowing fear to stop you, that is fear of exclusion or fear of being disliked, but following your mind and the logic you've created for yourself. Doing whatever it takes to make things happen. I'm amazed of this idea.
Ok try to relax, many adults do not change the world at all mate, and the mind usually takes you into a corner. To change the world using your mind, the general scale of that action is equivalent to inventing an 'i-phone level' product/concept and then marketing it across all markets/audiences possible. Basically a FAANG level company has some relative impact on the world...
Most adults dont even maintain a blog so, easier said than done to change the world with thought alone...
No one is truly independent from other people. The most things a human has and uses were invented and made by other people.
Thats just being a hermit
@@martinjugolin2087 every integrated genius gonna start as an hermit , you gotta get comfortable alone
Most people will become used by the world most aren't smart enough to change it
I am a linguist working on Chomskyan linguistics, and I show this vide to my students on every possible occasions. I also show this video to my colleagues whenever possible. I think it is important that higher educations have a clear sense of direction, or view, about where we are going.
In front of Noam Chomsky, you could have a look at what Norbert Wiener said on such topics... You can find it in the Epilogue of “Ex-Prodigy”, first part of his 2 parts-autobiography; and in his posthumus manual: “Invention. The Care and Feeding of Ideas”. The latter was a manual supposed to provide a new generation of scientists the materials to get off the illusions and fantasies of their elder...
Noam Chomsky worked on a universal grammar able to take control of minds; Norbert Wiener, son of a greatest philologist self-made to Harvard Univ., worked on how to use digital machines to allow human brain better get recognition among humans, so that mankind would gain in communication. On this last point you can see “The Human Use of Human Beings” (aka “Cybernetics & Society”).
Maybe not going anywhere is only right education? Jiddu Krishnamurti would agree with me on this. Maharshi would as well. What is education, what is understanding?
@@peternielsen8601 isn't it precisely: going? Although yep, Krishnamurti and many other less known had really interesting reflections on these topics.
I feel what our education lacks the most, is the sense of the legacy from where we're from (closely, not at larger scales: e.g., nation, ethnicity...): culture. And culture fundamentally is about sensing, internally and externally. Personality, which means: living...
When our dean talked to my graduating class in medical school in 1962, he said. " Half of what we have
taught you here is wrong, and it's up to you to discover that half." He was correct; education never stops.
Very admirable attitude for a medical professional! How often do we see doctors cling to outdated information and harm patients in the process...
Noam Chomsky talks about a world-famous physicist who taught at MIT who would tell his class, "It's not important what we cover in the class, it's important what you discover." I asked Professor Chomsky who that was. Here is his answer:
Victor Weisskopf.
+The Brainwaves Video Anthology thankyou for posting this, very good.
I have knowledge in three sciences and have no graduation certificate. In your eyes I am not educated! Continue with this rhetoric and you will end up with millions graduated morons.
John Van Vliet it's about education not the four gospels. Your point is irrelevant.
Snuggle toothed, I appreciate your deep attempts at informing trump supporters. It's what I've tried to do too. As I see it, there isn't an argument to be had with people who don't even have an understanding of the basic facts, so you have to explain and teach the facts and then have a discussion with an equally informed person. Too many conversations with trump people are just A) the liberal makes verifiably factual statement and then the trump supporter slings accusations, half truths poorly understood, and ignorant racist comments.
The Brainwaves Video Anthology is
Self-education is much more important than academic education.
One can be educated a lot more by just reading important books independently in a library than attending the most expensive university.
After all each classe in colleges is usually less than an hour, but you have to study hours and hours after each class to make good grades. So it is always YOU who educate yourself by reading the text books, not your teacher or the school.
In other words, BOOKS, great books, are the main sources of education, as well as your life experiences and skill development.
But none of these or no education is possible to gain if there is no *courage to learn* In the very beginning.
Use the one to highlight the other.
Could you share your so called important books ?
Mostly agree with you except one issue. In my experience classes do help you learn better, absorb concepts faster especially if the teacher is competent. Reading the material after a fruitful class further strengthens understanding.
Self education is more important then academic "systematic" education. I never really knew this until my mid 30s... but you are so right.
Homeschooling, online learning materials and unschooling > a mandated education system that exists as the current public education system.
A well educated person is one who ia constantly learning! Mr. Chomsky is one I have learned heaps from. He is a well educated man. I salute you Noam!
@Hello there, how are you doing this blessed day?
I'm 23 years old and I just found out about him 2 months back and I am grateful to have found him. Life changing moments for me.🙌
Please, share with your peers.
Same here I found out about him a while back glad I did!
I have a public playlist called Human Understanding which includes the best video of him ou t there ... just to lst you know.
Every comment section on videos like this has someone professing their age looking for Atta boys, lol.
Congratulations.
Imagine...if Socrates... Plato...where not known by the people of their times. We are living in that world. Don't have to imagine....just look around.
Literally...non in my life know Chomsky.
He is my model human. 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Noam is correct. Being a linguist he uses lots of words. Here is a simplified translation.
The primary purpose of education is to teach people how to learn.
Noam is right*.
To teach people to learn, we need to have a better understanding of what is knowledge.
@@KKAw49 Are you talking about the semantics of the English language or...?
Well played. I prefer your concise version.
As a linguist, he would probably prefer to use less words; but as an educator, he understands that he can’t simply preach demands.
Noam comes off as a very warm person to be around. Kind and gentle you know?
You sound really ignorant and poorly educated.
@@johnvanvliet2076 Or just a very genuine, kind, man who has dedicated his life to the general improvement of the life of humanity, rather than living an easy life which he very easily could have chosen.
Sort of guy you'd like to have every month as guest at dinner.
@@johnvanvliet2076 yeah no believe me I'm no leftist. I just find a lot of his work to be insightful.
@@johnvanvliet2076 very well said. I agree.
Learn something about everything and everything about something.
“If we’re wise we never stop learning until the Lord calls us home.” ___Ma to Laura and Mary in Little House on the Prairie
It seems to me that most young people in my age, even in higher education don't give a good shit about education in the sense of actually learning anything and applying critical thinking. They just go through the motions in order to reap the material benefits of a good paying job, status of high grades and on the psychological benefit of stroking their ego. Good little obedient workers they've become
most education does not give the proper setting to pursue things that oneself finds interesting... So it is to me to no surprise that people your age do not actively participate in a system that much more indoctrinates than educates
And you i assume don't work?
I like Chomsky's perspective.
Here's another one, similar, by Steven Pinker:
“It seems to me that educated people should know something about the 13-billion-year prehistory of our species and the basic laws governing the physical and living world, including our bodies and brains. They should grasp the timeline of human history from the dawn of agriculture to the present. They should be exposed to the diversity of human cultures, and the major systems of belief and value with which they have made sense of their lives. They should know about the formative events in human history, including the blunders we can hope not to repeat. They should understand the principles behind democratic governance and the rule of law. They should know how to appreciate works of fiction and art as sources of aesthetic pleasure and as impetuses to reflect on the human condition.
On top of this knowledge, a liberal education should make certain habits of rationality second nature. Educated people should be able to express complex ideas in clear writing and speech. They should appreciate that objective knowledge is a precious commodity, and know how to distinguish vetted fact from superstition, rumor, and unexamined conventional wisdom. They should know how to reason logically and statistically, avoiding the fallacies and biases to which the untutored human mind is vulnerable. They should think causally rather than magically and know what it takes to distinguish causation from correlation and coincidence. They should be acutely aware of human fallibility, most notably their own, and appreciate that people who disagree with them are not stupid or evil. Accordingly, they should appreciate the value of trying to change minds by persuasion rather than intimidation or demagoguery.”
Thanks!! I appreciate you for sharing this information
"They should be acutely aware of human fallibility, most notably their own, and appreciate that people who disagree with them are not stupid or evil. Accordingly, they should appreciate the value of trying to change minds by persuasion rather than intimidation or demagoguery." We need so much more of that.
Thanx for sharing ... This quotation has enclosed ocean in a jug of what a truly educated mind is. 👏👏👍👍
Dylan Williams I disagree with those who disagree with you being not evil all the time. You can must definitely find disagreement with someone and they’re evil
yup13 billion thanks for your info didn't know the uni was bout 13.7 but the 4.5 earth I did
I didn't start to get educated till I gave up caring what I was supposed to do in school. I went to the library all day, I read whatever i found interesting. I took the classes i wanted not what I was supposed to. I've earned no degrees, but have completed about 200 credit hours in lots of areas. I worked and did more 1/2 at night. I'm 66 now and have 6 books i'm reading now. Our schools are a huge failure.
I’m impressed.You are an inspiration to us all Sir.
I had a similar experience. I practically failed every year in public school. I played hooky all the time. And I always had to go to summer school. By the time I graduated high school, it was half a year later than the rest of my classmates, and my GPA was terrible (at least I graduated).
I worked at Walmart for a year, and then applied to community college because I didn't want to work at Walmart for the rest of my life.
I took classes that actually interested me, with no declared major, and I ended up making all A's the first year. I was able to transfer to a university with a scholarship that paid 90% of my tuition (I had to take out loans for the rest of the cost). Four years later, I graduated cum laude, with a bachelor of arts in philosophy, a bachelor of science in anthropology, and a minor in biology in the genetics/evolution track. There's also some sort of writing certificate listed on my transcript for taking so many classes with a writing focus, but I don't think it actually means all that much. I just wanted to take classes where I could directly participate in the conversation. Those were always the most satisfying classes. And my independent study classes. There is not as much ability to be lazy with readings when it's just you and the professor talking it through one-on-one every day, but it's very intellectually stimulating. I'm trying to go back to grad school.
200 hours from a huge failing system? What kept you going?
I kindly disagree with you. And at 66 your words don't show much wisdom.
Facts
A gem of a human being. Long may he live
Do more research. Most of those commentators don’t even know what field he worked in.
@@darbyheavey406 Who are you talking to? Your comment doesn't make any sense. 'most of those commentators don't..' What are you on about. Noam is a linguist and political analyst. So he is apt to comment on most if not all of human matters. Stop leaving silly replys to comments 👍
@@darbyheavey406 I don't think it's relevant. He's an agitator, a real symbol of our times, and that's it. I hope he'll be forgotten soon.
@@guilhermecorrea9483 I hope he wont
@@guilhermecorrea9483 you will be forgotten soon. He has more written more than 100 books. He is most quoted intellectual of academic human history. You either dumb. Or a cia bot.
"It's not important what you cover in class , but what you discover" - Noam chomsky
It was said by Walter Lewin, the MIT physicist. Noam referenced him in this video.😊
Never stop learning.
Thank you Mr. Chomsky. I always am reminded of that underlying spark of curiosity and inquiry that we each can activate into all aspects of life and society when I listen to you!
"The mind is not a vessel to be filled, but a fire to be kindled."
Fantastic.
True wisdom in action! Never stop educating yourself, find motivation to continue, and spread your findings to your fellow humans.
Make the world a better place.
"That government is best which makes itself unnecessary.
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-Wilhelm von Humboldt
Sign me UP. This is too good to be TRUE.
@@TeaParty1776 What destructiveness?
Education should just include to teach how to govern yourself and to question and critically examine what you find in this world, so that useless, or even harmful, baggage is sorted out.
@@TeaParty1776
Anarchy is the absence of any kind of state to which people would be subject.
What makes you think this would result in murderous and pillaging gangs?
Humanity's principle modus operandi is cooperation.
@@TeaParty1776 Do you think disputes can only be resolved by a higher force?
Sorting problems out among equals _has_ to work for humans to get along with each other.
Since humans are getting along with each other for hundreds of thousands of years (mind you, long before the existence of state-like structures), it is safe to assume that this is managable.
The consensus of the community should guarantee sufficient objectivity.
@@TeaParty1776 Then better go and vanquish ignorance. How fortunate that that's one goal of education and upbringing.
Really appreciated this, Noam Chomsky, cuts thru everything.
@Hello there, how are you doing this blessed day?
Having web access is being awarded the greatest research and toy accessory in history
But "then again", everyone on the internet doesn't know where to look, how to look...
@@theindiandragon4821 Formulating the basis for your educational journey and to find authentic unbiased sources regarding that, is DIFFICULT. Its like the real "knowledge" is hidden somewhere deep down beneath this plethora of data, videos and, articles and pdfs.
Separate your learning from Exams, Grades, Marks ...and focus that how will you discover what you don't know
Well said.
I taught at a well-respected university and was evaluated on how much my students like me and not on what skills they learned. I left teaching after that.
Itzel Direm This is becoming more and more prevalent in my own country (England) too, as the degree of student 'satisfaction' supercedes the importance of student engagement and understanding of what they are taught. As long as they are 'satisfied', that is feeling like they are educated, then all is ostensibly well. This seems to be the concomitant result of the increased commodification and marketisation of higher education that increasingly blights institutions, and I sadly don't see that ending any time soon.
I'm sorry to hear you've left teaching; it is an art and discipline I aspire to undertake in the future myself. I remain optimistic that students and academics will, particularly the former, become cognizant of this and change will be fought for before too long.
This is progress simpleton. Im glad you left a profession that you had nothing to offer. Watch the video for the first time now and try to learn.
@@Jay-wj5hd ooh you are a nasty piece work ....education passed you by and you didn't even realise it ....
@@c.j.griffin It will change for the worst. Education is becoming entertainment. A teacher is supposed to put on a show so he is "liked" (as in a FB post), and evaluated positively. He's also supposed to be publishing at a ridiculously high rate so to prove that he isn't slacking off. Classic control tactic here. Obviously he won't be published for slicing current government policies, or by taking up radical stances in controversial topics.
The difficult is folks don;t know how to be alone and think for themselves. Need constant approval or connection with others.
As a blue hair myself I think curiosity is an extremely underrated trait. You never know where it will lead you. The adventures you will have. Curiosity just opens other real doors and imagined doors for the inquiring mind to delve into.
A close friend of mine in law school told me that I was an intellectual. I denied it because I did not think I was very smart. He corrected me, and said that an intellectual is a curious person. I almost forgot his definition, in 1986, thanks for reminding me.
@@hjander in recent times, how have you found your curiosity increases your intellect?
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I remember in high school when my friend complimented me, it went along the lines of, "you are a deep thinker, every time you speak I am always expecting some sense to emerge from what you say". Still gives me the goosebumps till date and thank you for that compliment wherever you are.
The more you know the more you realize how much you do not know! It's a never ending process!
...does Chomsky know that?
What a Wonderful Man! Excellent Video! FR
This is an excellent point made by Chomsky! To be considered as well educated it is not enough, or even necessary, to have memorized a lot of data and information (although a decent memory helps, and some level of knowledge is necessary).
I think at the core of outstandingly well educated individuals is a strong desire to understand what is actually true of reality! A prerequisite is a dedication to honesty and integrity that takes precedence over ego concerns. Truly well educated individuals do not mind being corrected if they make a mistake -- on the contrary, they thank the other person for the correction.
Two top examples of truly well educated people are (in my opinion): Carl Sagan and Carol Tavris. (Also, of course, Noam Chomsky.)
He's had enormous influence across many many fields, and been a consistent truth teller in a complicated world. You on the other hand can't even form coherent sentences...
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 to discover not to follow digest and recycle but to apprehend one’s own perception 🦋🦋🦋
Most of my college years passed trying to pass exams and not to think and really know what it's all about.
I wish I could GO BACK IN TIME TO MY CHILDHOOD and teach myself after I've discovered what's important and what's I'm suited to.
My decades of school didn't teach me anything I could pay my bills of or fulfil my passions. I've learned to read and write myself. Thank you schools for wasting my time and stressing me out.
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I am a 24yrs young woman and I never graduated high school because i couldn't find the money to pay my fee for the subject. So i had to drop out, now here i am going to classes again trying to get an high school diplomat and its not easy I'm going through depression, panick attack, anxiety etc because I'm so anxious about failing and what would become of my life at this age; mind you i read alot of books and understand certain thing's in life without having a diplomat. But i dont know why i bother to pay my money to do any schooling now when I'm actually learning the simple concept of life and educating myself; i lost weight because of it. The point is no one could tell that i didn't have a degree or graduated high school because of the level of my thinking and the way i talk.
@@asenickesha5267your education does not determine the way you talk or act. But it can open intellectual doors for you that would have otherwise been inaccessible.
Don't worry about your age, you are very young and have a lot ahead of you. I can only imagine the mental struggles you underwent and hope you pushed through to get your diploma
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Marvelous to hear world renowned linguist / educator / philosopher, Noam Chomsky, advocating for what comes naturally to children - inquiry following curiosity that is sparked in stimulating environments. Our childrens' natural propensities are stifled in conventional teaching situations to the extent that they become disempowered and subjugated to the establishment. And we wonder what has become of the democratic process when so few who have the vote actually use it. Our young grow up to become consumers rather than thinkers .....
Marvellous, double L
Abundant curiosity is one trait of the truly educated. It is what keeps them informed and sharp.
Unfortunately, too many people think that if you cannot get a high-paying job after finishing higher level education, then it was a waste of time.
I like listening to Noam.People like him are rare and he makes you think.If we had more people like him ruling the planet how different our world would be.We can only hope and encourage young people to think and that life is not only about material things but human relations.
Thank you, sir. Curiosity. I was always a curious kid. Often got squelched for it, and even disciplined for 'talking out of turn.." (Any teacher who ever does this to a kid should be throttled)..Anyway at 73 I hold my capacity to be curious even dearer now than I did when I was 6!!!
I firmly believe that constructive curiosity is probably the defining quality required to be educated - 'constructive' because curiosity on its own is not a directed curiosity.
To be able to learn the curiosity must be able to ask new questions while learning from previous experience - this is where 'constructive' come into play.
"Knowledge is everywhere in many different forms. Observe, absorb and apply." - Michael Guzmán Rivera, Bronx H.S. of Science 1980
I believe Chomsky talked about Russell's ideas on education as well. In his essay, Russell emphasizes on the spirit of free inquiry and the value of intrinsic discipline, both of which help a person acquire ideal education.
what is the name of the book
Professor Chomsky telling the facts as they are 😊 ❤ May God bless him.
I admire this human being .
Oh geez well this is embarrassing I though the point of emphasis was clearly the tissue napkins oh boy
Me too!
@stephen noonan sup
This is so beautiful!
@ el coveney : so are you if that's your picture. What Chomsky is saying is very beautiful. Why is half our country comprised of these hateful people with animus and vitriol loo k
Rick Bonamassa Can't believe your genius way of hitting in her didn't work. Figured you two would be married by now 😂😂😂
He tried
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That is why I wasn't motivated to teach in the school system. Chomsky is a role model of developing intellect and enormous wisdom.
On the contrary, I think those few teachers who understand the flaws with the system have the most positive impact on students. As a student myself, I mostly dislike school for various reasons, but those few teachers who really know what they're doing can make a huge difference.
The practical definition of education. Not knowing facts but leading to discovery objectively systematically.
On being truly educated is knowing the right questions to ask.
Mr. Chomsky always looks like he's at peace with himself.
I wish I could do or say something to cheer a person like that up, he never stop giving, do I hope he's also happy, or at least content. Imagine if the officials in USA, people high up, media, politicians and similar had given him due credit for all his service not only to his local community, but to USA and the whole world. North-America is fanatical in it's silence against anyone that question that USA are Gods specially chosen nation, with better people then anywhere else. No weakness admitted.
A white washed tomb
At times you need to be truly educated to understand Mr Chomsky!
grandslam1998 This Scottish motor mechanic understands him perfectly. Do not underestimate your fellow man.
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@J Donovan Much of whether you are liberal or authoritarian is innate.
We are so thankful that his videos will live forever even after he leaves us.
I wish him good health and prosperity. May he live another 1000 years and keep educating us.
He describes the starting point of education, curiosity, not the outcome. Knowing things isn't especially important for him.
Thanks to you, Prof. Chomsky, that today I have acquired vast knowledge about history and politics. You were my first step into the world of knowledge that is so vital today without which I would have been brain dead, I thank you for the books that I read online understanding about politics and also history. I will always be grateful to you,
Be careful of Chomsky. He is very good. But, also very,
very pretentious !
@@lorenzomcnally6629 It is essential to separate work from the artist and appreciate the work and don’t fall into idolatry of a person. I believe that’s what you are trying to convey
He's been at MIT for SIXTY FIVE YEARS???? That's really amazing.
Yep, He's in his 90's
He's now at the University of Arizona.
@@MontyCantsin5 still teaching??
@@cr-it5lh: Yes. You can view the courses currently taught by Chomsky on the university's website.
being truly educated means knowing What you want and how to get it..imo
I think schools should be teaching Critical Thinking, Logic, and how to argue/debate properly at a young age. Here in the US at least, they do not do that. They bombard you with rote memorization for the most part. Being able to think for yourself, ask the right questions, form educated opinions and defend them properly are skills that are required almost every day of our lives, and yet nobody knows how to have argue without resorting to ad hominem or other logical fallacies. This leads to people becoming heated and arguing over nonsense. Unfortunately, I truly believe our government does not want a population that can think for themselves. They want good little hard working consumers who don't question what's being presented to them as the truth. They should also focus more on how to handle money, save, invest, etc from a young age. But no, they want wage slaves. A core education should first and foremost consist of skills that are required in daily life for everyone.
Put like that, it's easy to see why those who would direct our lives fear education more than almost anything else.
Well said. An intelligent and informed electorate scares the shit out of many republicans. That's why they are underfunding schools and appointing morons to high-positions in our educational system to destroy the system from within.
grumpy old fart I like your view GOF respect from another GOF
Depends where you live and the schools you attend.
If America put in place what you are advocating, there would be fewer twinkies at the local grocery store and fewer latte choices at the local Starbucks. And I just don't think Americans like to part with their twinkies and lattes. Those things are worth invading other countries for, hence the trillions spent on the military.
“Oh good - WHEW! - Noam Chomsky’s description of ‘education’ is something I can shoehorn my own ignorance into, and feel like I am thinking for myself. Thanks, Noam, for approving my version of, and making me feel like, I am being ‘original’!!”
I never grasp how intelligent this guy really is because I always fall asleep during any of his monologues,
Yeah I hear ya! And I never grasp how literate I am because books are even more monotonous.
He is an embodiment of a truly educated individual 🤗❤️
He doesn't even need a self-introduction.
There a curious new young mind every day. Always. Introduce him, or anybody of value.
Who doesn't? An introduction wouldn't hurt though.
Hi, I changed my mind. I infer that Mr. Chomsky is a smugly resentful and petty man when it comes to defending his Marxist / Communist beliefs.
His general social and economic Leftist views might be more intolerant and unpalatable than I had previously supposed. So with respect, I'm now entirely skeptical until I can know otherwise.
To give his due Noam has of course examined many interesting problems with great insights & has been called 'the greatest living mind.' The only trouble is it's water from the same well. Choose wisely.
I was held back 2 yrs in elementary in the USA. I became homeschooled from books and Kahn Academy because my mother was disgusted by the U.S. education system. She decided to incorporate the Finnish education style on our homeschooling. 4 hrs a day, 5 days a week. Graduated high school 13 years old SAT 2300.
I'm from Germany and I can feel your (prior) pain. The US and German education systems were both modeled after the Prussian public school system, which was designed to create properly deformed underlings for a feudal-capitalist state. Private schools are not the answer, though. Ripping the public school system (and everything else) from the death grip of the state is. Like Nietzsche said: State is the name of the coldest of all cold monsters. Coldly lies it also; and this lie creeps from its mouth: "I, the state, am the people."
@@TeaParty1776 And you shouldn't confuse categories. Capitalism belongs to the category of economics, while feudalism belongs to the category of politics. Or what do you think Marx was writing against, at a time when feudalism still existed in Germany? Notcapitalism? And yes, the classical liberal thinkers who brought us capitalism and its theory, like Adam Smith and John Locke, for example, abhorred the idea of democracy. Even the Founding Fathers of the USA did. Why do you think your political system is so shitty?
@@TeaParty1776 So, you're not going to talk about democracy. Very telling. See, people can't be free without democracy. As I said, the classical liberals hated the idea of democracy. I wonder, why?
And gender fluidity? Why should I care? I'm a heterosexual man, but I don't care how others live their lives, as long as it doesn't impact mine. That brings me back to capitalism. Capitalism always produces crises that it cannot solve by itself. 2008 comes to mind. That was solved by massive taxpayer funded state intervention, AKA socialism for the rich. And regarding Marx: I sure respect him, that's why I mentioned him, but I prefer Bakunin and Kropotkin. I want to see both, capitalism and the state, gone. David Graeber puts it best, when he says that "capitalism as a really bad way of organizing communism". Ind the same way, I might add, is the state a really bad way of organizing democracy.
And, at last, conservatism: most conservatives I know want the kind of socialism back they grew up with, only they call it capitalism. The few others call themselves Libertarians and don't understand that capitalism needs the state to function at all. Both are not to be taken seriously.
@@TeaParty1776 No, that didn't destroy Athens. Last time I looked it was still there, being the capital of Greece. The Attic Democracy OTOH died after two wars against the Macedonians. And Hitler wasn't elected by a majority. Hindenburg made him chancellor to prevent the Social Democrats, Socialists and Communists from forming a government. Also, you should google for "consensus decision making" and how it improved the living conditions of the people in Porto Alegre in Brazil.
Not one word wasted! What an honor to know I live in the same timeframe this man is alive. Is like being a contemporary of Socrates, Da Vinci, or Newton.
TY Noam, inspirational life, learning to think is what makes being human worthwhile. We can't always be 100% right, nor 100% wrong but a life in pursuit of knowledge for good is better than remaining ignorant of the possibility. The world is better off for your life's work, I am grateful. God bless.
this man makes me wanna read a book
By the way, the Physicist Chomsky was talking about was Victor Wieskopf.
summary: see socrates, plato
learn to think
don't follow, find your own way based on trusted sources
Its the journey .
Insightful words of intellectual like Noam Chomsky
Being truly educated to me is teaching students how to think and reason. Education is the reaction of knowing the truth.
At the ripe (and higher educated) age of 50, I've concluded I would have been happier and had more friends if I'd gone through life a simpleton like Forrest Gump
You being old makes me sad😢
who, me?
Not once does Chomsky mention the (vaunted) degree. It's odd how some of the most enlightened among us, when discussing the truly educated, never talk about the degree. Yet this is what most people regard as education.
teddy toto Autodidacts exist
Only the shallow care about degrees.
It's not a perfect system, but the degree is a distinction from others who haven't got one.. it is still, partly, based on the merit system..
Enlightenment is a journey not a degree. You AGREE.
Some people who don't have college degrees are definitely better educated than some who do. There are tons of total idiots who just go through the motions to get that expensive piece of paper, without ever truly valuing the process of receiving it. It's not the paper that is meant to be valuable. It's the education by experts within a very intellectually stimulating environment. It's the fact that you have the ability to share ideas, ask thoughtful questions, and receive personalized answers. What good is the paper, without the intellectual accomplishment that it represents?
Unfortunately, the system and culture as a whole is a ridiculous mess in this country, and so, college is commonly perceived to be about investing in the future, rather than about acquiring knowledge. It is about financial success, not the search for truth. I hate that very much. That should not be the case.
I do believe that college is a good way to access information that is not so easily accessible otherwise (and, sometimes, maybe not available anywhere else at all). However, a degree is not really proof of anything. It doesn't mean that you received the full value from your education, just because you got through it. That doesn't guarantee that anything actually clicked for you. It has to be a conscious effort to seek enlightenment.
I have more than one degree, but I got them because I valued what the degrees stood for, not the degrees themselves. Although, I admit that I do appreciate being officially recognized for the effort. It is something that I'm proud of myself for accomplishing. So, I like having the paper and displaying it, because I'm proud of it. But it wasn't the end goal.
This man is a living legend that has clashed and shared discussion with the greatest mind of the 20th century. What a life...
Its not your past education that matters. Most people’s education starts beyond 21
Education is a constant evaluation of your intelligence.
Al Farabi said "being educated is being able to discover"
I really like his voice, so calming. He should start an ASMR channel. 😁😁
Hello Katie 👋👋
How are you doing and how's the weather condition over there .... ?
The danger of "educating ourselves" is the feeling that arises when we listen only to ourselves. But there's nothing wrong with it, if we keep an open mind
There is a difference between education and instruction. Going to school, to me, is more about getting instruction, whereas education is how your mind is molded based on your principles shaped by your environment ( parents, friends, society.... )
Never confuse education with public schooling
Key word PUBLIC. Some REST ROOM s. Post THAT on there DOORS.?
I never really started to learn the reality of how the world really works until I started to basically question everything I have been told.
In my opinion, the propaganda that we have all been fed about the world is actually a lot worse than 99 percent of the people understand.
The key to learning is to automatically believe that almost everything you have been told by official sources is either partly or completely propaganda..
The smartest and most educated people I know think this way...
"Question everything"
@@hackedtechnothief Yep, totally agree.
A living legend, extremely honest.
#BDS
“Education is not merely the acquisition of knowledge it is ability to bend the truth to your will and gain using a perceived intelligence as your smoke screen” - Jim Cramer
How did his last stock pick work out for you? ;-)
Well said Mr. Chomsky! Yá'át'ééh from Arizona!
Chomsky is a good argument why homeschooling is a better education than public schools, and a trade is more honest and intelligent pursuit than college.
I drive by that place every day. Cool view MIT front lawn & the dome.
Memorial Drive by the Charles River.
A lot of people are truly blessed to be educated and have parents with money , unlike others, who never have that opportunity in life, count your blessings.. Peace..
As brilliant as Chomsky is on so many topics, and how correct he is about the need to self-educate and to ask questions and to discover new things, he is nevertheless still strangled by the inability to imagine education outside the restrictive box of the American "system" of K-12, college, grad school and so on. To truly educate oneself and to truly be educated as a society, this system must be revolutionized in the pioneering spirit of Maria Montessori and similar visionaries. The western system that Chomsky speaks of, and supports, is the very antithesis to his alleged vision and was in fact designed to prevent the type of free thinking and questioning he advocates.
I don't think Chomsky would disagree with this tbh
@@GlassesAndCoffeeMugs You are probably right to a degree. Sound bites like this blur the real conceptualizations and context. But I still wonder where his truly revolutionary vision is given that he worked at MIT for decades despite it being the foundational pillar of the military state that is the US and given that he appears to be advocating a radical change within the structure of US education but not a radical alteration of that structure. These systems he speaks of are primary causes of the problems he wishes to address and in my view the systems and structures should be the focus in that a stratified, isolated, age-specific structure originally designed to train compliant factory workers and government loyalists needs to be blown up. Formal, isolated, dependent education beyond age 12 in classrooms with instructors and professors is hopelessly outdated. All this does is extend childhood well into the 20s which is not at all healthy. That doesn't mean education stops at twelve nor does dependency, but it should not be so age specific nor so passive. But I agree that Chomsky here is not advocating a literal allegiance to structure but more so is speaking to the breath of developmental time from early childhood to adulthood and in this sense I agree completely.
education is not only in school, but self education as well.
the enthusiasm to read, the exchange with others, travelling, it's never ending, as Einstein
said, it stops at Death