"If the shell was in love with someone before turning they might twist that love into something evil... Like it might become an abusive relationship, and they would be very jealous and wanting to possess their lover and keep them away from anyone else..." Still a better love story than Twi... Wait... That IS the "love" story in Twilight! 😮
I picture if Strad and Dracula met introductions would go like this. Strad starts off, I AM STRAD! Baron of Berovia. Then Dracula is all like, begone pesent, you are a mere mosquito before a mighty dragon!
I like the idea of vampires being their own kind of evil, separate from demons and devils. Maybe the vampiric curse enhances any negative traits the person had in life but otherwise the new fledge vampire will have the same alignment it did in life, although it may lean more towards evil.
Just wanted to mention that radiant damage cancels their regeneration ability for a while since you were wondering if it did anything extra. Same goes for holy water.
In Elder Scrolls the origin of Vampirism is specifically explained and pretty fucked up. It originated from the Daedric Prince Molag Bal Daedric Prince of Domination. He came upon a priestess of Arkay who is the Aedric god of Life and Death. So he pinned her to the ground by impaling his sword through her chest then raped her. She soon resurrected as the very first Vampire. This is why in Elder Scrolls the most powerful Vampires are women because only a woman can be chosen during a ritual, which is heavily hinted that they are themselves raped by Molag Bal, to turn them into Daughters of Coldharbor, Coldharbor being Molag Bals realm of Oblivian which is Elder Scroll’s version of the hells. Him being known for ravaging women is why one of his aliases is the King of Rape since rape is a form of Domination. This is also why all vampires in the Elder Scrolls gain innate proficiency in Illusion magic.
it didnt even come from him since he admits to not knowing how to cure it, and it literally takes another deadric prince to cure it and it being the prince of dreams and nightmares. Also there are multiple tribes across cyrodil who are said to not be connected to the vampire lords, so its still pretty mysterious
@@alexcavazos3341 Molag Bal 100% created vampirism in that way. It's confirmed by Bethesda. Lamae (The first vampire) is the reason for the different strains of vampirism. Molag Bal is also a deadric prince, so it's most likely that he simply doesn't want to cure anyone. After all, most deadra search for champions for a long time and Molag Bal basically has as many as are vampires
@@KS-PNW for " role " playing flavor my game shop used the theme of Van Richten view points on Ravenloft monsters with White Wolf style of creature backgrounds. During AD&D2e with took the DMG: create your own character class rules to modify the Bard class to create spellcasting werewolves & vampires. 3rd.E skill points and multi-classing rules just gave more deep style of play revolving around the monsters. I came up with a plot where Richten retired coming house from Barovia he picked up a stray druid wolf cub with a note that the puppy will look after him. She had a magic feeding bag around her neck. The wolf cub was a high land loup garou werewolve that could only be harm by gold. And she was loupin stock born of a wolf from White Wlof werewolf game. The starting running joke, she becomes the city's lead rat catcher. So my game shop had me play a puppy like Scoobie Doo for the next few months. And since more than a few players had dogs the whole game became a running gag of what kind of trouble can a one to three year old dog can get into that is also as smart as a five year old girl. " Don't chew on that." " Put that down." "Why, did .. you .. bring all those dead chewed up rats into the house ?!" " When you save a fish for later, you do not stick it under the bed or under the living room couch. !" " Please tell me you didn't roll in what I think you just roll in ! .. Out of the house ! .. It's .. BATH .. Time !"
1.) creation of the first vampires. a.) a sorcerer used Vampire Touch spell too many times awhile alive. After they fell in battle or old age catches up to them. They raise after death as a Vampire. i.) Ravenloft campaign setting , if your character is dealt the killing blow from the Vampire Touch spell, they raise as a vampire. b.) some fool spell caster uses Lesser Planar Binding and summons a Vampire Spirit.
Just imagine that the inverse happened to a vampire where they gain back their human soul. It would be through some sort of experiment with litch creation ritual. They would be confused because they have the memories of the vampire and would feel guilty and horrified by the things the monster did using their body. The person would also have to catch up on the times and what has happened as it would be as though they woke up from a coma. In terms of their power it would be that of a vampire still but their weaknesses would be reduced to being non fatal and they would have certain traits of a litch. If you're wondering where their soul is held it is actually drawn back to their body.
Vecnas incisors replace the bearer's upper canines with black vampire-like fangs. In addition to giving +1% magic resistance the bearer may transform into a vampire version of themselves for an 8-hour stretch twice per month, they cannot create spawn vampires by using their blood drain in this form but drinking somebody of good or neutral alignment to death will wrack a good bearer with guilt, causing them to suffer a -5 penalty to all actions, attack rolls and saving throws for the following week. If such a host makes three kills in this manner, then their alignment will change and probably become an NPC its either this punishment or something dependent on the DM's wish.
Also, if you bind a Lycanthrope who is still in human form with silver manacles or chains, it will prevent them from shape-changing. In my world, at least.
@@t2av159 you don't have to make the whole weapon silver when you're creating fantasy worlds; coating or have a thin core of it is usually enough. Then again, it's a fantasy world, and you can just make up a silver alloy that is weapon grade
i kinda disagree about the strictly evil vampire, yes it makes sense but on the other hand vampires are intelligent and wise, imo vampires can act for good, it will be a very rare thing obviously but it can happen, not every vampire has to be evil, becoming a vampire might be means to an end after all
This is a totally valid interpretation of Vampirism and a fun way to play the game. In games I DM though, I simply prefer the evil, other-worldly body snatching entity interpretation. It is more true to the original folklore and mythology and it is downright scarier.
yeah of course, me too, when i say they can act for good i dont mean that they actually are good, but even when you are evil you do things for a purpose and this purpose sometimes is to defeat a greater evil, maybe not for the good of others but still its a good act even if you are doing it for your own purposes, im running a vampire adventure atm and the vampire lord of this adventure is definitely evil but i want to give him a meaningful backstory so that the players can sympathise with him to a certain degree, im thinking something like the belmont version of dracula from castlevania
Yeah, I've been planning to run one who has used it as a means to buy time. But I've also looked at the Daemon eater homebrew with a character who by the end of it is trying to take hades, then hell, then the rest of the abyss. By first fighting yugoloths and ultraloths. It would be a overleveled campaign by the time that takes place, not sure what the other class he would run would be, been leaning toward the sun sol monk for dramatic theming or the astral monk.
That does bring up the question for dnd, doesn’t becoming a vampire specifically turn you evil whether you like it or not? I find that odd and possibly really limiting, is that really how it works in dnd?
Disagree on a couple of points. Holy Water and holy symbols do affect vampires, holy symbol used by a cleric is literally part of the turn undead spell. Holy water does damage a vampire, i think it counts as a ranged attack as if it burning oil? I’m not exact on that one.
Not exactly DnD related, but in Jojo's bizarre adventure, Vampires are actually the spawn of ancient and powerful vampire-like beings called "the pillar men", they were basically a byproduct of their attempts to surpass their own weakness to the sun, they made a mask that could tap into their hidden potential, it didn't quite work but when used on a human, it made them into vampires. Jojo vampires are basically bootleg pillarmen, having super strenght and regeneration, control over their own physiology, thirst for blood, and are really weak to the sun. Jojo Vampires can also create spawn on their own, when they suck your blood they can inject you with their essense to transform you into undead zombies, they can also create spawn by giving a human their own blood without feeding on them first.
In my setting Vampires are a unique Undead because rather than coming from Orcus they were self-absorbed aristocratic elves cursed by the savage Blood God to become Vampires, a mockery of “civilized nobility”.
In my D&D world, there’s a creature that’s created whenever somebody who was sacrificed in like a ritual is brought back to life a being known as a Blood angel is born and every time he is, he changes some fundamental aspect about the world and one of those times he created vampires.
The Dungeoncast they also had more powers. Like they could see invisible vampires. They often became inquisitors and hunted vampires. Mostly because (probably) the vampire parents are butts.
In D&D when a succubus gives the kiss of death to someone who has not been made to commit to the succubus the soul goes to its plane of alignment and the body becomes a vampire. That is where they come from.
The "dh" in dhampir is the "th" in 'that' (not "th" as in 'thought') "tham-PEER" Imagine someone with fangs and a tropish accent trying to say "vampire"
I don't know where this idea that Strahd is THE original vampire started. Jander Sunstar is an older vampire, compared to Strahd. And, there are older vampires than Jander...
@@KS-PNW Which is a fair observation. A statement like, "Strahd is the original vampire of the Dark Domains", would be acceptable. Seeing as how when the Dark Powers began piecing together the Dark Domains, Strahd and Barovia were the first piece.
This was actually retconned with the recent Van Richten’s Guide to Ravenloft book, where Jander is explicitly younger than Strahd and was mentored by him. Also I think they said Strahd was the first vampire, and they definitely said he was the first dark lord.
We had a vampire grapple our solar monk, I forget what it’s called but in the grapple he just switched his light on and the light filled the room that they had dragged it into. Instant mist and with the Druid trapping it in a whirlwind, the mist basically died the next round.
Another idea: you could have a vampire that seems obsessed with a cure, if for no other reason than to ensure that theirs is the only clan of vampires on that plane, with drastically empowering that clan being part of their plan if said vamp is the BBEG. Of course, for the ultimate irony, if they succeed in this ppan, you could easily turn that cure agaimst him/her, or he/she could use it as a "punishment" for thralls that fail them.
My original Vampire was a Necromancer who drank the blood of the most powerful of Demons(Who's the equivalent of Satan but worse and stronger), killing his body but being reborn as undead creature of the night.
I have multiple types of vampires in my world that develop their special powers once they reach 2000 years of age. Human vampires that can fly at supersonic speeds, minotaur vampires that are immune to fire, can shoot 8th level fireballs, and bend lava, goliath vampires that can bend the earth, sahuagin vampires that can swim and cause tsunamis, and elven vampires that have +50 damage bonus to all evocation spells.
What do people think about the creation of vampires through survival of a Succubus's kiss? I was a video where this was a little known fact and I was wondering what changes would be made by the shift in creation. Do we agree this is a thing and would there be a para-dime shift because of the "corruption" source?
By the official rules the player that becomes a vampire becomes an evil NPC. Even if you homebrew a non-evil vampire it's very hard to be an adventurer that can only operate during the night.
50 episodes in and the show is still great. I still remember having my comments about 'dragons shooting breath out of their face. Compared to what?' Comment being mentioned. Can't remember the episode.
Since this episode, someone has put out a homebrew "Natalia's Guide to Necromancy" which contains a great set of Vampire rules for player characters (and extra control undead features).
Congrats on 50 episodes guys! So here's my theory for this episode. Tsunami vs. Vampire should be instadeath? Because technically, the tsunami is moving (running) water, and it does a FUCK TON of damage as is, so would you say you'd add that extra running water damage? That's how I think I'd rule it, but I always enjoy your thoughts. By the way, I introduced my Players to my new campaign setting, and one of them went with the Bullywug playable race!
Thank you! Tsunami v. Vampire definitely is an instakill. Running water plus tsunami damage. So basically 100d6 tsunami damage + the 20 acid damage for it being running. Awesome, I'm glad to hear someone liked the Bullywug homebrew!
From what I understand about the Succubus and Vampire connection, it’s that if a Succubus were to actually fall in love with a mortal, then their kiss will turn that mortal into a true Vampire.
I run a campaign where vampire spawn and vampire kills are tweaked. I took inspiration from supernatural. Vampires are weakened when staked with a wood steak to the heart dipped in dead man's blood (paralyze vampires for 1 hour, removes the regeneration, and lowers ac by 3.) Dipping your sword or arrows in in dead mans blood removes regeneration for 3 turns and lowers ac by 3. When vampire spawn fall to 0 hp they fall unconscious and appear dead for 1 hour. To kill them you must either decapitate them or burn them with holy oil. Vampires at 0 hp turn into most and return home. They must be staked, decapitated, and burned with holy oil. Holy oil and holy water negate regeneration for 1 turn.
That'd be interesting, personally I'd rule it that an Aasimar can't become an Vampire, their too inherently tied to positive energy and light on a biological level, so any attempt to make an Aasimar a vampire would just either cause the curse to burn up and the Aasimar is just a corpse till revived by resurrection magic, or perhaps any vampire trying to drain an Aasimar would take damage.
I'm not sure if this is a thing in D&D, but if I recall correctly in the Original Dracula, Nosferatu, and in a lot of vampire fiction that involves them rising from the grave, they can take the dirt they were buried in originally, and add it to a new grave or fill a coffin with it, essentially making that grave/coffin a valid resting place, which is why Dracula could operate in London while his grave was in Transylvania.
If you’ve got grace dirt from the original grave you can use that too, and unlike a coffin it’s kind of hard to burn or destroy grave dirt beyond repair. You could move it and hide it by sweeping it up, but it’s still technically usable as long as the vampire can get it back somehow.
I'm gona assume there is is an actual Dracula in D&D becues the is an artifact call Dracula's ring. So for the to be a ring from him he must be in there some where...
You can, although it's not one of the playable races. Talk to your DM to see if you can Homebrew a custom race. You could also play a Drow that contracts vampirism while adventuring normally. Good luck!
The Ravenloft Novels go a lot deeper. He may have been the first vampire on his homeworld, and he's certainly the first in Ravenloft (a.k.a. Domains of Dread) but Sunstar (an elven vampire from Toril) shows up and is older/more experienced than Strahd and ends up being his vampire guru for a time.
Lol, we need a video game called Need To Feed But made with the Need for Speed theme, and in that sort of style, idk how that would work, but my brain just has the ideas
I used to play 1e. Everytime a vampire hits you. Lose 2 levels. Vampires are so weak now. They used to have a fear factor. Now they just die and spawn and die and spawn
Boy he called it with the Dhamphires or how ever the fuck you spell it. I like what they did with them in the Raven loft book though. Really like the hex blood and the reborn or whatever it's called. Great lore in that book.
What really confused me is that first you said “if you wish to become immortal, but don't want to be a lich, you could turn into a vampire” and after that you said “vampire is not the same person, who was turned, that person died and some other thing took their body and memories ”. Is seems controversial somehow. Like you cant really gain immortality or undeath for that matter by turning into vampire, all that you can do is simply donating your body and life to some fiendish spirit. It seems like ppl didn't really think it over.
Saying this was text-to-speech because I'm kind of on the run but I heard that part were vampires and succubi have a lot in common? More so than you realize in real life mythology, from what I understand they were created by the demoness Lilith both of them. now I could be mixing that up with some other Lord depending on the depiction you take it from as I believe Lilith is primarily a Jewish mythology figure with only some ties to any other mythologies. so essentially take that with a grain of salt but yeah Lilith from what I understand created both vampires and succubi
That dude just simply repeats what DND book wrote about vampire stuff, he said a victim infected by the vampirism and alignment started changing to evil just because that person was not himself but someone else??? WTF? victim changed alignment simply just because he could not deal with the unbearable starving for blood so he had to kill for blood to get rid of the indescribable agony. he might feel guilty for killing in the beginning, but as time time goes on, he lost the compassion for his FOOD, started to lose the lingering humanity in his soul, that eventually would turn him into evil alignment, but he is still himself not ANOTHER thing replaced him inside of the body. its common scene. like will you feel guilty or compassion for eating bunch of chicken or steak when you are super starving? Does the craving scene for more juicy yummy roast chicken mean something is replacing yourself in your mortal vessel? Nope, so do vampires.
His whole context for it was that it was his personal application of traditional vampire lore into his dnd setting. It wasn’t strictly fact, it was just his interpretation of how to use them with a maintained historical accuracy. You can use them however you want
What would happen if a vampire lived in an apartment and wind up infested with rats and bats or live in in the suburbs neighborhood in the vampire is your next-door neighbor or gated community would there be rats and bats in their house to?
So wait, you don't consider the vampire to be one of the exceptions to the "undead=evil" rule because... your personal headcanon? I mean, that's fine, just don't say it like it's canon.
I fundamentally disagree with you that what's in a vampire/undead is not the same person but something else. The quintessential point of unearth is either eternal punishment/torment for evil actions in life (so you are already twisted) or it's a conscious choice/pact the very powerful/evil make to avoid death. The soul doesn't pass on and get replaced it's the same soul trapped in a state of in life tormented by the life it can no longer enjoy and needs it's can't satisfy, hunger, sleep, love.. etc. Also you say you're not quite sure about vampires indulging in sex, except at the very start of the video you mention the lore of vampire being related to succubi, whose very nature is to drain life essence/corrupt employing charm seduction and sex This would seem to account for vampyric obsessions with lust/sex as well as their desire to crave connections with the life they have lost as well as trying to sit desire they no longer can being undead, lust is also one of the seven deadly sins and the driver of many evils, it is in a way a kind if madness that overrides sensible thoughts and moral/ethical behaviour almost like a possession, something, succubi, demons and vampires employ to varying degrees, with their charm, mind control.. etc. Lust in and of itself a corruption of love and the downfall of many undead, Soth lust for Isolde, Strad's lust for his brothers wife, a Liches lyst for power, surely it is fitting then that such lusts are carried over into undeath.
Why are there "rests" in recorded video aside from padding? It make more sense on radio. Im sorry. I like the info but It ain't worth it enough sticking around for. Ya people gotta make a living but I feel slapped in the face with it in my observation of it.
It kinda is. You're original post said it ain't worth worth sticking around for, indicating a time-sensitive nature to your problem with the Short Rest format. Also, "Short Rest" is a new 5th Edition Dungeons and Dragons game mechanic. It is very thematic for the boys to refer to their intermission as such, and allow them to give us information that doesn't fit into the video, like giveaways, shout-out to Patrons, and I actually listen to the whole thing, while writing up any campaign ideas I get from the subject matter.
@@paulcoy9060 I know the reference and I did state my main point. "Padding" I dont like it when youtubers pad videos. If I didn't state that well enough in my original observation then okay. And I forgot all about this goofiness tbh XD
Why u always banter, and belittle a persons attempt at a charecture, cus it doesnt fit in ur idea of official or homebrew, ur the player that makes it unfunny, even if always a dm. U say u doent knock it but u spent the whole video hitting it down.
"If the shell was in love with someone before turning they might twist that love into something evil... Like it might become an abusive relationship, and they would be very jealous and wanting to possess their lover and keep them away from anyone else..."
Still a better love story than Twi... Wait... That IS the "love" story in Twilight! 😮
I picture if Strad and Dracula met introductions would go like this. Strad starts off, I AM STRAD! Baron of Berovia. Then Dracula is all like, begone pesent, you are a mere mosquito before a mighty dragon!
Peasant*
Strahd has a dragon. Just saying..
Strahd killed a dragon
I like the idea of vampires being their own kind of evil, separate from demons and devils. Maybe the vampiric curse enhances any negative traits the person had in life but otherwise the new fledge vampire will have the same alignment it did in life, although it may lean more towards evil.
Just wanted to mention that radiant damage cancels their regeneration ability for a while since you were wondering if it did anything extra. Same goes for holy water.
In Elder Scrolls the origin of Vampirism is specifically explained and pretty fucked up. It originated from the Daedric Prince Molag Bal Daedric Prince of Domination. He came upon a priestess of Arkay who is the Aedric god of Life and Death. So he pinned her to the ground by impaling his sword through her chest then raped her. She soon resurrected as the very first Vampire. This is why in Elder Scrolls the most powerful Vampires are women because only a woman can be chosen during a ritual, which is heavily hinted that they are themselves raped by Molag Bal, to turn them into Daughters of Coldharbor, Coldharbor being Molag Bals realm of Oblivian which is Elder Scroll’s version of the hells. Him being known for ravaging women is why one of his aliases is the King of Rape since rape is a form of Domination. This is also why all vampires in the Elder Scrolls gain innate proficiency in Illusion magic.
it didnt even come from him since he admits to not knowing how to cure it, and it literally takes another deadric prince to cure it and it being the prince of dreams and nightmares. Also there are multiple tribes across cyrodil who are said to not be connected to the vampire lords, so its still pretty mysterious
@@alexcavazos3341 Molag Bal 100% created vampirism in that way. It's confirmed by Bethesda. Lamae (The first vampire) is the reason for the different strains of vampirism. Molag Bal is also a deadric prince, so it's most likely that he simply doesn't want to cure anyone. After all, most deadra search for champions for a long time and Molag Bal basically has as many as are vampires
All You Need To Know About Vampires
1.) AD&D2e Ravenloft: Van Richten Guide to Vampires.
2.) White Wolf/ World of Darkness: Vampire the Masquerade .
Seriously the van Richtens guides were SO good
@@KS-PNW for " role " playing flavor my game shop used the theme of Van Richten view points on Ravenloft monsters with White Wolf style of creature backgrounds.
During AD&D2e with took the DMG: create your own character class rules to modify the Bard class to create spellcasting werewolves & vampires. 3rd.E skill points and multi-classing rules just gave more deep style of play revolving around the monsters.
I came up with a plot where Richten retired coming house from Barovia he picked up a stray druid wolf cub with a note that the puppy will look after him. She had a magic feeding bag around her neck. The wolf cub was a high land loup garou werewolve that could only be harm by gold. And she was loupin stock born of a wolf from White Wlof werewolf game. The starting running joke, she becomes the city's lead rat catcher.
So my game shop had me play a puppy like Scoobie Doo for the next few months. And since more than a few players had dogs the whole game became a running gag of what kind of trouble can a one to three year old dog can get into that is also as smart as a five year old girl.
" Don't chew on that."
" Put that down."
"Why, did .. you .. bring all those dead chewed up rats into the house ?!"
" When you save a fish for later, you do not stick it under the bed or under the living room couch. !"
" Please tell me you didn't roll in what I think you just roll in ! .. Out of the house ! .. It's .. BATH .. Time !"
Vampires that are not the same beings as they were in life? Sounds like the Buffy version of a vampire.
MisterTutor2010 Yeah the Angel/Angelus dichotomy is what I think of when I think of becoming a vampire.
In my universe vampires are an accident created by a lich pursuing true immortality, so there’s that as an option. Just a thought.
1.) creation of the first vampires.
a.) a sorcerer used Vampire Touch spell too many times awhile alive. After they fell in battle or old age catches up to them. They raise after death as a Vampire.
i.) Ravenloft campaign setting , if your character is dealt the killing blow from the Vampire Touch spell, they raise as a vampire.
b.) some fool spell caster uses Lesser Planar Binding and summons a Vampire Spirit.
I like that. Nice.
So Warhammer fantasy. Neferata attempted to become a lich like nagash and Arkhan but messed up with the lesser version of eternal life, Vampirism.
Just imagine that the inverse happened to a vampire where they gain back their human soul. It would be through some sort of experiment with litch creation ritual. They would be confused because they have the memories of the vampire and would feel guilty and horrified by the things the monster did using their body.
The person would also have to catch up on the times and what has happened as it would be as though they woke up from a coma. In terms of their power it would be that of a vampire still but their weaknesses would be reduced to being non fatal and they would have certain traits of a litch. If you're wondering where their soul is held it is actually drawn back to their body.
Vecnas incisors replace the bearer's upper canines with black vampire-like fangs. In addition to giving +1% magic resistance the bearer may transform into a vampire version of themselves for an 8-hour stretch twice per month, they cannot create spawn vampires by using their blood drain in this form but drinking somebody of good or neutral alignment to death will wrack a good bearer with guilt, causing them to suffer a -5 penalty to all actions, attack rolls and saving throws for the following week. If such a host makes three kills in this manner, then their alignment will change and probably become an NPC its either this punishment or something dependent on the DM's wish.
A way of making silver weapons somewhat significant is having silver damage delay regeneration for a round
This is perfect.
This is the coolest idea I have read on the internet today! Love it and gonna use it!
Also, if you bind a Lycanthrope who is still in human form with silver manacles or chains, it will prevent them from shape-changing. In my world, at least.
Silver is too soft for a weapon
@@t2av159 you don't have to make the whole weapon silver when you're creating fantasy worlds; coating or have a thin core of it is usually enough. Then again, it's a fantasy world, and you can just make up a silver alloy that is weapon grade
i kinda disagree about the strictly evil vampire, yes it makes sense but on the other hand vampires are intelligent and wise, imo vampires can act for good, it will be a very rare thing obviously but it can happen, not every vampire has to be evil, becoming a vampire might be means to an end after all
This is a totally valid interpretation of Vampirism and a fun way to play the game. In games I DM though, I simply prefer the evil, other-worldly body snatching entity interpretation. It is more true to the original folklore and mythology and it is downright scarier.
yeah of course, me too, when i say they can act for good i dont mean that they actually are good, but even when you are evil you do things for a purpose and this purpose sometimes is to defeat a greater evil, maybe not for the good of others but still its a good act even if you are doing it for your own purposes, im running a vampire adventure atm and the vampire lord of this adventure is definitely evil but i want to give him a meaningful backstory so that the players can sympathise with him to a certain degree, im thinking something like the belmont version of dracula from castlevania
@@RatchildUK sounds interesting
Yeah, I've been planning to run one who has used it as a means to buy time.
But I've also looked at the Daemon eater homebrew with a character who by the end of it is trying to take hades, then hell, then the rest of the abyss. By first fighting yugoloths and ultraloths. It would be a overleveled campaign by the time that takes place, not sure what the other class he would run would be, been leaning toward the sun sol monk for dramatic theming or the astral monk.
That does bring up the question for dnd, doesn’t becoming a vampire specifically turn you evil whether you like it or not? I find that odd and possibly really limiting, is that really how it works in dnd?
Disagree on a couple of points. Holy Water and holy symbols do affect vampires, holy symbol used by a cleric is literally part of the turn undead spell. Holy water does damage a vampire, i think it counts as a ranged attack as if it burning oil? I’m not exact on that one.
Not exactly DnD related, but in Jojo's bizarre adventure, Vampires are actually the spawn of ancient and powerful vampire-like beings called "the pillar men", they were basically a byproduct of their attempts to surpass their own weakness to the sun, they made a mask that could tap into their hidden potential, it didn't quite work but when used on a human, it made them into vampires. Jojo vampires are basically bootleg pillarmen, having super strenght and regeneration, control over their own physiology, thirst for blood, and are really weak to the sun. Jojo Vampires can also create spawn on their own, when they suck your blood they can inject you with their essense to transform you into undead zombies, they can also create spawn by giving a human their own blood without feeding on them first.
A jojo reference!!!! Oh and DIOOOOOOOOO!
In my setting Vampires are a unique Undead because rather than coming from Orcus they were self-absorbed aristocratic elves cursed by the savage Blood God to become Vampires, a mockery of “civilized nobility”.
In my D&D world, there’s a creature that’s created whenever somebody who was sacrificed in like a ritual is brought back to life a being known as a Blood angel is born and every time he is, he changes some fundamental aspect about the world and one of those times he created vampires.
A dhampires are from swedish lore. I am using one in one of my campaigns.
Ah, i had read that they were originally slavic in origin. I actually think they are a pretty cool idea despite us making fun of the name :)
The Dungeoncast they also had more powers. Like they could see invisible vampires. They often became inquisitors and hunted vampires. Mostly because (probably) the vampire parents are butts.
Hes kinda a dick who likes to throw jokes and banter
In D&D when a succubus gives the kiss of death to someone who has not been made to commit to the succubus the soul goes to its plane of alignment and the body becomes a vampire. That is where they come from.
The "dh" in dhampir is the "th" in 'that' (not "th" as in 'thought')
"tham-PEER"
Imagine someone with fangs and a tropish accent trying to say "vampire"
23:23 you can use a decanter of endless water and just geyser him in the face that would count as running water right?
What if a insane and completely malevolent being who becomes a vampire. Would they be twisted to be a nice and try-to-care person?
If a parent becomes infected they might become overprotective of their family like murdering anyone that inconveniences them
I don't know where this idea that Strahd is THE original vampire started. Jander Sunstar is an older vampire, compared to Strahd. And, there are older vampires than Jander...
To be fair vampires may not have been known on Strahd's homeworld
@@KS-PNW Which is a fair observation. A statement like, "Strahd is the original vampire of the Dark Domains", would be acceptable. Seeing as how when the Dark Powers began piecing together the Dark Domains, Strahd and Barovia were the first piece.
This was actually retconned with the recent Van Richten’s Guide to Ravenloft book, where Jander is explicitly younger than Strahd and was mentored by him. Also I think they said Strahd was the first vampire, and they definitely said he was the first dark lord.
Makes the druid create water spell for druids useful
Warhammer has the best vampire lore. If you love vampires check out warhammer fantasy.
Also, the Witcher tbh
We had a vampire grapple our solar monk, I forget what it’s called but in the grapple he just switched his light on and the light filled the room that they had dragged it into. Instant mist and with the Druid trapping it in a whirlwind, the mist basically died the next round.
Maybe the original Vampires in D&D were survivors of attacks from a Bloodkiss Beholder.
I think vampires are considered lawful evil, but not quite in the same way as a devil or baatezu.
Another idea: you could have a vampire that seems obsessed with a cure, if for no other reason than to ensure that theirs is the only clan of vampires on that plane, with drastically empowering that clan being part of their plan if said vamp is the BBEG.
Of course, for the ultimate irony, if they succeed in this ppan, you could easily turn that cure agaimst him/her, or he/she could use it as a "punishment" for thralls that fail them.
My original Vampire was a Necromancer who drank the blood of the most powerful of Demons(Who's the equivalent of Satan but worse and stronger), killing his body but being reborn as undead creature of the night.
This duo dynamics looks exactly like the Brass and Copper Dragon. Will just want to keep talking qnd Bryan joking
Miss you guys and your amusing and insightful podcast on D&D Monsters
I have multiple types of vampires in my world that develop their special powers once they reach 2000 years of age. Human vampires that can fly at supersonic speeds, minotaur vampires that are immune to fire, can shoot 8th level fireballs, and bend lava, goliath vampires that can bend the earth, sahuagin vampires that can swim and cause tsunamis, and elven vampires that have +50 damage bonus to all evocation spells.
What do people think about the creation of vampires through survival of a Succubus's kiss? I was a video where this was a little known fact and I was wondering what changes would be made by the shift in creation. Do we agree this is a thing and would there be a para-dime shift because of the "corruption" source?
By the official rules the player that becomes a vampire becomes an evil NPC. Even if you homebrew a non-evil vampire it's very hard to be an adventurer that can only operate during the night.
50 episodes in and the show is still great. I still remember having my comments about 'dragons shooting breath out of their face. Compared to what?' Comment being mentioned. Can't remember the episode.
Thanks!! Haha I still remember that comment. I don't remember when we mentioned it, but it was about the Dragons episode for sure :)
I still remember finding this channel from a Reddit link. Before you even had enough episodes to have a 'videos' tab
Really wish I could remember the episode you mentioned my comment. It's one of the things I love about smaller channels. The back and forth
Since this episode, someone has put out a homebrew "Natalia's Guide to Necromancy" which contains a great set of Vampire rules for player characters (and extra control undead features).
Congrats on 50 episodes guys!
So here's my theory for this episode.
Tsunami vs. Vampire should be instadeath? Because technically, the tsunami is moving (running) water, and it does a FUCK TON of damage as is, so would you say you'd add that extra running water damage?
That's how I think I'd rule it, but I always enjoy your thoughts.
By the way, I introduced my Players to my new campaign setting, and one of them went with the Bullywug playable race!
Thank you! Tsunami v. Vampire definitely is an instakill. Running water plus tsunami damage. So basically 100d6 tsunami damage + the 20 acid damage for it being running.
Awesome, I'm glad to hear someone liked the Bullywug homebrew!
From what I understand about the Succubus and Vampire connection, it’s that if a Succubus were to actually fall in love with a mortal, then their kiss will turn that mortal into a true Vampire.
I run a campaign where vampire spawn and vampire kills are tweaked. I took inspiration from supernatural. Vampires are weakened when staked with a wood steak to the heart dipped in dead man's blood (paralyze vampires for 1 hour, removes the regeneration, and lowers ac by 3.) Dipping your sword or arrows in in dead mans blood removes regeneration for 3 turns and lowers ac by 3. When vampire spawn fall to 0 hp they fall unconscious and appear dead for 1 hour. To kill them you must either decapitate them or burn them with holy oil. Vampires at 0 hp turn into most and return home. They must be staked, decapitated, and burned with holy oil. Holy oil and holy water negate regeneration for 1 turn.
what would it be like to have an aasimar vampire
That'd be interesting, personally I'd rule it that an Aasimar can't become an Vampire, their too inherently tied to positive energy and light on a biological level, so any attempt to make an Aasimar a vampire would just either cause the curse to burn up and the Aasimar is just a corpse till revived by resurrection magic, or perhaps any vampire trying to drain an Aasimar would take damage.
If a normal fallen aasimar is scary imagine one thats cannibalistic.
Could vampires make new resting places?
I'm not sure if this is a thing in D&D, but if I recall correctly in the Original Dracula, Nosferatu, and in a lot of vampire fiction that involves them rising from the grave, they can take the dirt they were buried in originally, and add it to a new grave or fill a coffin with it, essentially making that grave/coffin a valid resting place, which is why Dracula could operate in London while his grave was in Transylvania.
If you’ve got grace dirt from the original grave you can use that too, and unlike a coffin it’s kind of hard to burn or destroy grave dirt beyond repair. You could move it and hide it by sweeping it up, but it’s still technically usable as long as the vampire can get it back somehow.
I'm gona assume there is is an actual Dracula in D&D becues the is an artifact call Dracula's ring. So for the to be a ring from him he must be in there some where...
Vampires becoming evil is the same mechanism as installing windows on a Mac.
interesting vid, gents. thanks for the info. and i agree... 5e pussed down a GREAT MANY monsters.
Can drows be vampires is that cool? I'm new to D&D
You can, although it's not one of the playable races. Talk to your DM to see if you can Homebrew a custom race. You could also play a Drow that contracts vampirism while adventuring normally. Good luck!
@@Dferd777drow is a playables race, as is stated in the 5e player handbook.
Yes. Although some settings have specific rules about elven vampires
Curse of strahd makes it know that he is the first vampire and all others are from him. Made a pact with a dark god
The Ravenloft Novels go a lot deeper. He may have been the first vampire on his homeworld, and he's certainly the first in Ravenloft (a.k.a. Domains of Dread) but Sunstar (an elven vampire from Toril) shows up and is older/more experienced than Strahd and ends up being his vampire guru for a time.
@@KS-PNW the ravenloft novels are not considered canon. Otherwise you would be correct.
sunsoul monks are perfect vampire killers then
Lol, we need a video game called Need To Feed
But made with the Need for Speed theme, and in that sort of style, idk how that would work, but my brain just has the ideas
I was hoping that you would talk about the vampire dragon
In the novels he was a count at some point
Yeah I know I sound old here but Castle Ravenloft is a poor substitute for the real Ravenloft lore
I used to play 1e. Everytime a vampire hits you. Lose 2 levels. Vampires are so weak now. They used to have a fear factor. Now they just die and spawn and die and spawn
Can a Druid turn into a giant Bat? Does he gain Vampiric ability for a short period of time without being a vampire?
28:35 yeah but what about Dio Brando? He had like 5 kids as a vampire.
Different universe
Boy he called it with the Dhamphires or how ever the fuck you spell it. I like what they did with them in the Raven loft book though. Really like the hex blood and the reborn or whatever it's called. Great lore in that book.
Will, Brian please do a episode on Doresain the ghoul king or Korvaka!
I thought it was pronounced: Dhamp-eer not dampire..?
Strahd was a count... Unless that's changed in 4 or 5e.
Fyi I think the origin he got in I Strahd is WAY better than this newer Shadowfell stuff...
What really confused me is that first you said “if you wish to become immortal, but don't want to be a lich, you could turn into a vampire” and after that you said “vampire is not the same person, who was turned, that person died and some other thing took their body and memories ”. Is seems controversial somehow. Like you cant really gain immortality or undeath for that matter by turning into vampire, all that you can do is simply donating your body and life to some fiendish spirit. It seems like ppl didn't really think it over.
Saying this was text-to-speech because I'm kind of on the run but I heard that part were vampires and succubi have a lot in common? More so than you realize in real life mythology, from what I understand they were created by the demoness Lilith both of them. now I could be mixing that up with some other Lord depending on the depiction you take it from as I believe Lilith is primarily a Jewish mythology figure with only some ties to any other mythologies. so essentially take that with a grain of salt but yeah Lilith from what I understand created both vampires and succubi
That dude just simply repeats what DND book wrote about vampire stuff, he said a victim infected by the vampirism and alignment started changing to evil just because that person was not himself but someone else??? WTF? victim changed alignment simply just because he could not deal with the unbearable starving for blood so he had to kill for blood to get rid of the indescribable agony. he might feel guilty for killing in the beginning, but as time time goes on, he lost the compassion for his FOOD, started to lose the lingering humanity in his soul, that eventually would turn him into evil alignment, but he is still himself not ANOTHER thing replaced him inside of the body. its common scene. like will you feel guilty or compassion for eating bunch of chicken or steak when you are super starving? Does the craving scene for more juicy yummy roast chicken mean something is replacing yourself in your mortal vessel? Nope, so do vampires.
His whole context for it was that it was his personal application of traditional vampire lore into his dnd setting. It wasn’t strictly fact, it was just his interpretation of how to use them with a maintained historical accuracy. You can use them however you want
I don't even play dnd, just enjoy the lore
What would happen if a vampire lived in an apartment and wind up infested with rats and bats or live in in the suburbs neighborhood in the vampire is your next-door neighbor or gated community would there be rats and bats in their house to?
I feel like vampires are out of place in a tolkien inspired fantasy genre like DnD.
If you want vampires go play Vampires, the masquerade.
So wait, you don't consider the vampire to be one of the exceptions to the "undead=evil" rule because... your personal headcanon? I mean, that's fine, just don't say it like it's canon.
I fundamentally disagree with you that what's in a vampire/undead is not the same person but something else. The quintessential point of unearth is either eternal punishment/torment for evil actions in life (so you are already twisted) or it's a conscious choice/pact the very powerful/evil make to avoid death. The soul doesn't pass on and get replaced it's the same soul trapped in a state of in life tormented by the life it can no longer enjoy and needs it's can't satisfy, hunger, sleep, love.. etc.
Also you say you're not quite sure about vampires indulging in sex, except at the very start of the video you mention the lore of vampire being related to succubi, whose very nature is to drain life essence/corrupt employing charm seduction and sex This would seem to account for vampyric obsessions with lust/sex as well as their desire to crave connections with the life they have lost as well as trying to sit desire they no longer can being undead, lust is also one of the seven deadly sins and the driver of many evils, it is in a way a kind if madness that overrides sensible thoughts and moral/ethical behaviour almost like a possession, something, succubi, demons and vampires employ to varying degrees, with their charm, mind control.. etc.
Lust in and of itself a corruption of love and the downfall of many undead, Soth lust for Isolde, Strad's lust for his brothers wife, a Liches lyst for power, surely it is fitting then that such lusts are carried over into undeath.
Why are there "rests" in recorded video aside from padding? It make more sense on radio. Im sorry. I like the info but It ain't worth it enough sticking around for. Ya people gotta make a living but I feel slapped in the face with it in my observation of it.
You do know you can skip ahead on the time scale, right?
@@paulcoy9060 That's not the point.
It kinda is. You're original post said it ain't worth worth sticking around for, indicating a time-sensitive nature to your problem with the Short Rest format.
Also, "Short Rest" is a new 5th Edition Dungeons and Dragons game mechanic. It is very thematic for the boys to refer to their intermission as such, and allow them to give us information that doesn't fit into the video, like giveaways, shout-out to Patrons, and I actually listen to the whole thing, while writing up any campaign ideas I get from the subject matter.
@@paulcoy9060 I know the reference and I did state my main point. "Padding" I dont like it when youtubers pad videos. If I didn't state that well enough in my original observation then okay.
And I forgot all about this goofiness tbh XD
I am not a fan of having half breeds of any kind or even multiclassing.
scuse me but we don't talk about 4e
Be more like aj pikket
Why u always banter, and belittle a persons attempt at a charecture, cus it doesnt fit in ur idea of official or homebrew, ur the player that makes it unfunny, even if always a dm. U say u doent knock it but u spent the whole video hitting it down.
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U mad bro? You seem mad for some reason : /
Isn't a baron still a count?
I think vampires are considered lawful evil, but not quite in the same way as a devil or baatezu.