On landing, you control airspeed with the elevator. You control altitude with the throttle. That’s what the pros say anyway. I find it works pretty good. Carry on.
I would use flaps if it's not windy, turn final at a lower altitude, not dive at the runway, idle the motor down more, and use a prop with less pitch, perhaps a 27x11. I think the 26x13 might be pushing too much air at idle, especially at a fast idle. Flaps will help slow the plane down and also lower the wing's angle of attack which will help prevent tip stalls. With full flaps, the plane might slow down too quickly if you pull the power off completely, so use a little throttle on final and during the round out. Practice slow flight. Climb to a safe altitude, throttle back, lower the flaps, and practice flying around just above the stall speed. See how slow you can fly without stalling.
I have a small scale F4U Corsair that does the same thing on landing keeps on rolling. Unfortunately being a "sport scale" model it doesn't have flaps so it's a pain in the butt to get it to slow down.
I would use full flaps on landing, to slow down more, use an "idle down" on your radio, to get your idle lower for landing, and maybe a lower-pitch prop. Maybe a 28x10 Falcon CF, instead of the 26x13. That will also help slow-down the landing. VERY nice plane -- hope you fixed it.
Landing warbirds actually expects flaps for landing because they are always to fast in the landing without it. Landing such warbirds is the most difficult part of the flight. You will master it!
Im sure your "local NTSB" report of yourself and friends already went over what-ifs, but seemed like a high-idle, fast approach, and negative grade runway landing all aided in the outcome. Can only hopefully guess it was into prevailing winds too. Real sorry to watch, hope all the salvageable parts (non-airframe) go into a new build!
@@dansplanes4112 I have a 3D Yak with a DLE55 and a three bladed prop due to restrictions on the sound level, the three bladed prop makes it pull harder on idle. I fly it on way smaller landing strips, i kill the engine when the approach looks good enough. Another thing i noticed, I should let the engine warmup, this way I can lower the idle speed just a notch. Also I have an onboard starter, so when the plane comes to a stop, I just restart and taxi back. Good luck with the rebuild!
All my Warbirds have engine kills just for that reason. You never know if the engine loosen up or a servo stops working. I usually fly with the helper or friend or spotter and show him or her the Killswitch and how to operate it and to operate it! Yes, after the first flight, you should have adjusted the endpoint at the throttle low end position. I could not tell if you had a throttle curve set up, but in Warbirds, it’s almost mandatory. On your final approach, you throttleback with a no wind condition full flap and adjusted descent with throttle. You may only need a couple hundred RPM so you really want that low in throttle very soft. PS I also fly all my Warbirds with the Aura flight stabilization system. I don’t feel like it is cheating because anything that can help smooth out these high wing loading fast flying works of art is a plus! Really the only problem the pilot had was the inability to kill the engine or adjust that idle down to 16 or 1700 RPM, hopefully next time he will learn from his mistake.
@@dansplanes4112 It helps me a lot evern though I am just starting on a Sport Cub. It is as light as bird and forgiving when being knocked around and it is so darn light you have to learn about wind fast. Great hobby.
I love the FW190, but it is a tricky bird to land. I flare right before I finally stabilize the approach to land to bleed off as much speed as possible and I still don’t have it fully figured out.
Sorry for your mishap. The plane was flying very nicely. I noticed that you were landing your Focke-Wulf on its mains. Focke-Wulfs don't like that. They prefer three-point landings. The P-51s, on the other hand, love to land on their mains. I hope that you can fix it and fly it again soon!... Give that three-point landing a try... That's how I land mine every time... Mine is the Eflite Focke-Wulf 1.5M made out of foam. I don't like balsa for obvious reasons... If you sneeze hard close to the plane, they will break... Foamy planes are sturdier...😁👍🏾 Thumbs-up for your video 👍🏾 Have a great rest of your night 🌙 Greetings from Douglas, Arizona 🌵 👍🏾 😁 🇵🇷 Like#22
You can always go around! Just like us full scale guys, if you’re not on the ground in the first 1/3rd of the runway, go around! Approach speed was quite excessive. If it’s not right, it won’t fix itself.
The experienced giant scale, gas fliers at my club thought the idle was ok however, many people in the comments think it was high. It's probably a combination of high idle, aggressive prop, diving to the runway and the airstrip having a down grade. Thanks for watching and commenting!
My goodness what is that thing made out of foam or something? That look like a sweet roll into grass and I've never had a plane come apart like that on a landing.
Is there any particular reason for the 26x13? I'm not a warbird flyer but I have a DLE 120 and its running a 28x10, that should help for a slower approach
@@emilioriesco3759 The person I bought it from had a sufferer prop on it for its maiden flight and felt it was under propped, so he went with the 26x13. I just kept out the same.
Very sorry, that was a nice touchdown but you hit the downslope and just did not slow down. I had a landing with a YA Spitfire and had the same issue. We thought it was down and safe and a full elevator pull got me back into the air JUST above stalling speed.
@@dansplanes4112 We learn the hard way. I learned not to fly a full flap landing in gusty cross winds when my PT-19 got hammered by a 90 degree gust and flipped upside down mere inches from touchdown. Fixed the plane using 15 minute epoxy and donated balsa and ply during the overnight and flew it again the next day in the same conditions, half flaps and more speed. No issues! Rebuilding is part of flying unfortunately.
@Whitpusmc Yeah I crashed my giant P-47 (vids is on my channel) when I used flaps on a high crosswind day. It tip stalked. Instead of using the rudder to correct, I used rudder and ailerons. I have it full throttleand did an Emmalmen. At the top of the maneuver, it snapped and went full throttle into the ground. Learning giant scale warbird techniques can b brutal.
@@dansplanes4112 ouch, just went and watched that… I’m impressed. If I had film of some of my crashes the film would be buried in a hermetically sealed container and smuggled aboard the first ship to Mars… 🛸😅 your sharing helps us all improve, or realize we have all been there.
@Whitpusmc Thanks. That's the point of me being an open book. I don't post normal everyday flying because that's boring. So people might get the impression I'm always crashing, but I do more flying than crashing. From the comments I get, I hope it helps me and other folks. Thanks for watching!
Use flaps, and most importantly, lower that idle, its way too high obviously, Or get a prop with less pitch if you cant. And kill the motor on touchdown.
Maybe it's just the camera but, you seem to fly so far away. This airframe will actually fly very slow final approaches. Warbirds are so slippery. I throttle back on the downwind leg. Keep you're turns mostly flat.
I think your idle was too high. Low end might need to be richer. Sorry to see it get broken. 190's used to be great for scale competition due to great ground handling.
definitly should have shut the engine off and it would slowed down, your engine tune was way to rich on bottom end forcing you to have a high idle speed
You idle was too hi plus, I have not idea why the genius giving you points did not say kill the engine when you where close to the grass. In my gas planes I got a 3 position switch one is kill the other is Idle low and 3er Hi idle for flying, now I need hi idle do to 3D maneuvers and hover but still the same, so sorry for the bad luck.
You are really paying for not knowing how to tune the engine properly, you had the same problem with rhe topflite P-51, , when will you learn, obviously you have deep pockets, Whoever told you a warbird flys like a trainer is either a liar or a fool. You acceptance that this is part of the hobby is part of your problem. When the same problem happens with nitro or gas maybe its you. The jerk who will say I'm harsh are to be avoided. Ive suggested thst you distsnce yourself from their advice or commiseration. You lack someone who is honest, and wishes only for your success.
Sorry about the crash…don’t be afraid of full flaps for warbird landings
Thanks for the advice. I thought flaps would've worked.
On landing, you control airspeed with the elevator. You control altitude with the throttle.
That’s what the pros say anyway. I find it works pretty good.
Carry on.
Yeah, I'm trying to learn that difference. It's a change from nitro planes.
I would use flaps if it's not windy, turn final at a lower altitude, not dive at the runway, idle the motor down more, and use a prop with less pitch, perhaps a 27x11. I think the 26x13 might be pushing too much air at idle, especially at a fast idle. Flaps will help slow the plane down and also lower the wing's angle of attack which will help prevent tip stalls. With full flaps, the plane might slow down too quickly if you pull the power off completely, so use a little throttle on final and during the round out. Practice slow flight. Climb to a safe altitude, throttle back, lower the flaps, and practice flying around just above the stall speed. See how slow you can fly without stalling.
Thank you for your thoughts!
I have a small scale F4U Corsair that does the same thing on landing keeps on rolling. Unfortunately being a "sport scale" model it doesn't have flaps so it's a pain in the butt to get it to slow down.
Sorry to hear. Maybe a less aggressive prop could help.
Beautiful warbird!
Sorry about that crash. I’m sure you’ll get her back up soon!
@@who8dapple Thank you!
Man it happens, beautiful bird though 🇺🇸👍🏼
I would use full flaps on landing, to slow down more, use an "idle down" on your radio, to get your idle lower for landing, and maybe a lower-pitch prop. Maybe a 28x10 Falcon CF, instead of the 26x13. That will also help slow-down the landing. VERY nice plane -- hope you fixed it.
Thank you. I used the idle down switch and half flaps. Thanks for watching!
@@dansplanes4112 Lower idle, full flaps, wider prop. Good luck!
Landing warbirds actually expects flaps for landing because they are always to fast in the landing without it. Landing such warbirds is the most difficult part of the flight. You will master it!
Im sure your "local NTSB" report of yourself and friends already went over what-ifs, but seemed like a high-idle, fast approach, and negative grade runway landing all aided in the outcome. Can only hopefully guess it was into prevailing winds too.
Real sorry to watch, hope all the salvageable parts (non-airframe) go into a new build!
Thank you. I already have a replacement fuse 😀
Landing looked perfect but engine idle speed maybe too high to stop? Maybe cut the engine on rollout if necessary?
Good thoughts
@@dansplanes4112 I have a 3D Yak with a DLE55 and a three bladed prop due to restrictions on the sound level, the three bladed prop makes it pull harder on idle. I fly it on way smaller landing strips, i kill the engine when the approach looks good enough. Another thing i noticed, I should let the engine warmup, this way I can lower the idle speed just a notch. Also I have an onboard starter, so when the plane comes to a stop, I just restart and taxi back. Good luck with the rebuild!
All my Warbirds have engine kills just for that reason. You never know if the engine loosen up or a servo stops working.
I usually fly with the helper or friend or spotter and show him or her the Killswitch and how to operate it and to operate it!
Yes, after the first flight, you should have adjusted the endpoint at the throttle low end position. I could not tell if you had a throttle curve set up, but in Warbirds, it’s almost mandatory. On your final approach, you throttleback with a no wind condition full flap and adjusted descent with throttle. You may only need a couple hundred RPM so you really want that low in throttle very soft. PS I also fly all my Warbirds with the Aura flight stabilization system.
I don’t feel like it is cheating because anything that can help smooth out these high wing loading fast flying works of art is a plus!
Really the only problem the pilot had was the inability to kill the engine or adjust that idle down to 16 or 1700 RPM, hopefully next time he will learn from his mistake.
@@nealrehm6900 I'm not sure why people make such a big thing on "war bird's. No different to the classic pattern planes that I still fly.
I really like your coaching buddy..
@@washburnb1 Thank you. I hope it helps someone.
@@dansplanes4112 It helps me a lot evern though I am just starting on a Sport Cub. It is as light as bird and forgiving when being knocked around and it is so darn light you have to learn about wind fast. Great hobby.
Slowing down begins on the downwind leg.
She looks repairable! Just take your time and dial down your expo. If you had more rudder on landing you could've turned it away from the grass.
A paddock that large, oh I wish. Throttle cut?
I love the FW190, but it is a tricky bird to land. I flare right before I finally stabilize the approach to land to bleed off as much speed as possible and I still don’t have it fully figured out.
Thanks for your thoughts!
Why you didn't use Flaps for landing , also guessing your Throttle idle is to high
I used half flaps
@dansplanes4112 looking at your landing video I didn't see any Flaps
@@Mikeylikesit1968Yup, no visible flaps as it rolls past and no flaps when they get to the model.
@@dansplanes4112 nope zero flaps
So sorry beautiful plane and such a beautiful Landing also broke my heart
Thank you
Sorry for your mishap. The plane was flying very nicely. I noticed that you were landing your Focke-Wulf on its mains. Focke-Wulfs don't like that. They prefer three-point landings. The P-51s, on the other hand, love to land on their mains. I hope that you can fix it and fly it again soon!... Give that three-point landing a try... That's how I land mine every time... Mine is the Eflite Focke-Wulf 1.5M made out of foam. I don't like balsa for obvious reasons... If you sneeze hard close to the plane, they will break... Foamy planes are sturdier...😁👍🏾
Thumbs-up for your video 👍🏾 Have a great rest of your night 🌙 Greetings from Douglas, Arizona 🌵 👍🏾 😁 🇵🇷
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Thanks Douglas!
sorry to see this Dan, it was a great landing, just stopping a heavy model without brakes downhill , rebuild & refly xxxxx
Thank you
You can always go around! Just like us full scale guys, if you’re not on the ground in the first 1/3rd of the runway, go around!
Approach speed was quite excessive. If it’s not right, it won’t fix itself.
Great thoughts!
that was unfortunate especially as it was such a great landing...wonder was the engine idle a little high as it should really have slowed down
The experienced giant scale, gas fliers at my club thought the idle was ok however, many people in the comments think it was high. It's probably a combination of high idle, aggressive prop, diving to the runway and the airstrip having a down grade. Thanks for watching and commenting!
My goodness what is that thing made out of foam or something? That look like a sweet roll into grass and I've never had a plane come apart like that on a landing.
Sorry about that mishap after a perfect landing. I guess she needed brakes.
camera person had one job... one job.. you can always set up the throttle to shut off, when it is full back and trim all the way down.
13:22 ..👍🍺🍺🍺...that's exactly like when Ted Striker's squadron attacked at Macho Grande...😅😅😅...
Is there any particular reason for the 26x13? I'm not a warbird flyer but I have a DLE 120 and its running a 28x10, that should help for a slower approach
@@emilioriesco3759 The person I bought it from had a sufferer prop on it for its maiden flight and felt it was under propped, so he went with the 26x13. I just kept out the same.
@@dansplanes4112 oh I see. I will be waiting for the remaiden :)
@@emilioriesco3759 Thanks for watching :)
Fly downwind lower and maybe reduce idle RPM, good luck with the repair
Tx
Beautiful plane. Too bad on the landing crash. Is the idle too high?
3 clicks of trim i bet .....
Way too high a throttle at idle ! You'll get her fixed sorry about your mishap
Thanks for the advice!
Your idle seemed high
Very sorry, that was a nice touchdown but you hit the downslope and just did not slow down. I had a landing with a YA Spitfire and had the same issue. We thought it was down and safe and a full elevator pull got me back into the air JUST above stalling speed.
Tx for sharing, I don't feel as bad lol
@@dansplanes4112 We learn the hard way. I learned not to fly a full flap landing in gusty cross winds when my PT-19 got hammered by a 90 degree gust and flipped upside down mere inches from touchdown. Fixed the plane using 15 minute epoxy and donated balsa and ply during the overnight and flew it again the next day in the same conditions, half flaps and more speed. No issues! Rebuilding is part of flying unfortunately.
@Whitpusmc Yeah I crashed my giant P-47 (vids is on my channel) when I used flaps on a high crosswind day. It tip stalked. Instead of using the rudder to correct, I used rudder and ailerons. I have it full throttleand did an Emmalmen. At the top of the maneuver, it snapped and went full throttle into the ground. Learning giant scale warbird techniques can b brutal.
@@dansplanes4112 ouch, just went and watched that… I’m impressed. If I had film of some of my crashes the film would be buried in a hermetically sealed container and smuggled aboard the first ship to Mars… 🛸😅 your sharing helps us all improve, or realize we have all been there.
@Whitpusmc Thanks. That's the point of me being an open book. I don't post normal everyday flying because that's boring. So people might get the impression I'm always crashing, but I do more flying than crashing. From the comments I get, I hope it helps me and other folks. Thanks for watching!
What’s a man without a P-51…keep it
Scale 3 blade props?
That makes my stomach sick when that happens
Use flaps, and most importantly, lower that idle, its way too high obviously, Or get a prop with less pitch if you cant. And kill the motor on touchdown.
Good thoughts John, thank you
Good thing is that its totally repairable. Hope to see that Jug back in the air soon!
Needs scale prop!!!
9:21 ...🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺👍
0:12 ..👍🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺😁😁😁
Maybe it's just the camera but, you seem to fly so far away. This airframe will actually fly very slow final approaches. Warbirds are so slippery. I throttle back on the downwind leg. Keep you're turns mostly flat.
Thanks Tony
No different to classic pattern planes and they are not a problem.
@@hayloft3834 Warbirds are quite different from pattern planes.
@@tonydeaton1967 Having flown both, No.
@@hayloft3834 Pattern planes are designed SPECIFICALLY for stability. Warbirds are not. Been in the hobby thirty years, the two are vastly different.
Far too many Armchair pilots in chat. He did everything right on a maiden including the landing.
Thank you for your comments and support. Thanks too, for watching!
I think your idle was too high. Low end might need to be richer. Sorry to see it get broken. 190's used to be great for scale competition due to great ground handling.
Thanks for your input!
Tell your friend to shut up and let you fly the airplane
😂
Hope you get it repaired ok, what about fitting some electric brakes from the likes of JP Retracts.
fire the camera guy
Practice slow flight up high.
definitly should have shut the engine off and it would slowed down, your engine tune was way to rich on bottom end forcing you to have a high idle speed
@@UpVoltageOverclocking Thanks for watching and ur comments.
how much money does it cost to learn how to land a war bird ?
That's tough to say. Each person learns in different amounts of time. And, it depends if it's stick built or foam.
You idle was too hi plus, I have not idea why the genius giving you points did not say kill the engine when you where close to the grass. In my gas planes I got a 3 position switch one is kill the other is Idle low and 3er Hi idle for flying, now I need hi idle do to 3D maneuvers and hover but still the same, so sorry for the bad luck.
Thank you
You are really paying for not knowing how to tune the engine properly, you had the same problem with rhe topflite P-51, , when will you learn, obviously you have deep pockets,
Whoever told you a warbird flys like a trainer is either a liar or a fool. You acceptance that this is part of the hobby is part of your problem. When the same problem happens with nitro or gas maybe its you. The jerk who will say I'm harsh are to be avoided. Ive suggested thst you distsnce yourself from their advice or commiseration. You lack someone who is honest, and wishes only for your success.
Too high idle, not enough flaps and wrong propeller. That prop doesn´t brake at all....
Thanks for your feedback!
No prop spinning forward is going to brake.
Your inexperience of setting up an airplane and your flying abilities didn’t help out either..
What setup issue do you believe I had wrong?
No flaps, high idle, didn’t kill the engine or go around, didn’t pull the tail down to get some drag.
You did everything you could to crash it.
As you say yourself... "Win some loose some". BTW .. it's LOSE, not loose.
この程度では墜落とは言えません。修復は容易だと思いますがARF機だと外観をどうするかが問題ですね。
Throttle has trim on radio, adj when landing to reduce engine speed. Darren
Thanks Darren