In these days of the proliferation of Roman and Eastern apologists, this is a most needed breath of fresh air. To quote Paul: "may the Word run and be glorified".
Great video! Congrats on your confirmation into Lutheranism btw! It took me at least a couple years of studying denominations to commit to Lutheranism, but my wife & I were just confirmed earlier this year. Videos like this have been very helpful for us throughout the whole process since we both grew up with no exposure at all to classical Protestantism
Happy All Saints’ Day, hopefully by God’s mercy includes Father Luther, who never envisioned such a celebration and for there to be so many alternative churches, he on;y wanted, quite rightly in some ways (which were addressed) his reformed Catholic Church, he would be celebrating all hallows Eve instead and all saints and all souls days all those years ago. If today he is celebrating by God’s mercy, he is celebrating with us this All Saints’ Day he is;I’ve in heaven, and us Christian’s here hoping by gods Grace to finish the race.
I will be replying to this in depth, probably within the next few days. I love addressing these "Reformation Day" videos and articles because invariably they are so selective and one-sided in what they discuss that they amount to a relentless effort at promulgating half-truths. I fully expect the same again here, but I would be delighted to be wrong about that and to actually see a fair presentation.
Well, I started to do so but found that the discussion rambled and wandered so much -- like so many theological videos online lately -- that it was very difficult to make replies to. I'll wait for a more specific topic.
BTW… I am not familiar with the three guests. Who are they, pastors? Professors? I’m an old emeritus LCMS and so t recognize these men. A little background please.
We're just a handful of well-read LCMS laymen (team also includes an AALC seminarian, a Concordia visiting professor, a Danish theologian, and a member of the Ethiopian WELS sister church). Most of us are converts from evangelicalism of some variety.
I liked the history and positive treatment of why you guys like Lutheranism and think it's good you could celebrate together the heritage of your tradition at this time. However... Maybe a disclaimer that 'Evangelical is an umbrella' was needed, ironically, given it is being compared to Lutheranism and last I checked it's possible to be both as one is not a denomination. Defining the use of the term maybe as well, sounds like a pejorative at times with some of that apect of the conversation being cringeworthy and giving a bit much of the zealous convert attitude. As someone who grew up in what I would describe as an evangelical Baptist context and remain so I tried to relate to the experiences shared in this video but much of it just doesn't seem that familiar to me. Maybe this is a geographical or cultural difference but it also seems there's a bit of over reaching when it comes to distinguishing Lutheranism in ways that don't seem to represent the background several of you guys came from in anything but its weaknesses or with anecdotes that assume them. The discussion around vocation(1:18:06) portrays this most clearly, projecting assumptions of pride and legalism on others without basis. Most people, when speaking of vocation, just mean finding something that suits the giftings and abilities God has given you. I have seen some charismatic contexts where there's such a high expectation to figure this out exactly right where it can become excessive but even there if someone was convinced God told them 'go be a janitor' then there would be no problem. I can't imagine any evangelical saying, even privately, that person was less valued or loved by God.
Let us not forget that Lutherans did force a reformation in the Roman church. Rome today is not what it was in 1517. Today it is the Trent Catholic Church. I suspect had Rome quickly called a council we would have remained i the Roman church. One thing I deplore is anti catholic sentiment I sometimes encounter in my LCMS. Some be Ie e that Catholics are not Christians. Our LCMS pastors must do a better job of teaching that we are closer to Rome than we are to most Protestants. Our Confessions asserts that we are in agreement with Rome and E Orthodox that Christ is truly and substantially present in the Eucharist. Sadly too many of our LCMS people do not believe that Eucharist is the body and blood of Christ. Instead there is this misunderstanding that the bread and wine somehow connect us to the body and blood. In so saying we deny the true substantial body and blood are there. When we distribute the elements we say “the body of Christ for you.” We do not say the body of Christ is under the bread as if we are to look underneath the wafer. It IS THE VODY AND BLOOD. it is not hidden underneath or in someway attached. IT IS!
@@Thatoneguy-pu8tyI think you better read Joseph Ratzinger for one. You will be surprised by how much we have in common. A sacramental understanding gives us much in common.
@@Thatoneguy-pu8tyhigh church Protestants actually have more in common with Rome than they do low church Protestants. An Anglican is closer to a Catholic than a Pentecostal is to an Anglican I would argue.
@@Thatoneguy-pu8ty Rome co fesses the Trinity, the virgin birth, the two natures of Christ, the sacrificial substitutionary death of Jesus, the bodily resurrection, the ascension, the return in judgment, baptism for regeneration, the true substantial presence of Christ in the Eucharist, the forgiveness of sins, the in dwelling of the Holy Spirit, the bodily resurrection of all the dead….I guess you are right. That is a false religion…but that is what Lutherans believe. So I guess we are a false religion also. How did I miss that?
I’m not trivializing it. I think it’s one of the best things about being a Christian! That’s why I think Christians are better off celebrating every chance they get when they go to church Sunday. Assuming their church can afford it.
@@hc7385 so we are free to ignore the Dominican command “Do This”. Please rethink your position and note that out BOC affirms that we celebrate mass every Lords Day, every holy day and whenever people ask for it. Look it up in the Book o Concord.
@@hc7385 "The preaching of the Word is a solemn moment and should not be trivialized. Each church is free to choose how often it is done, without mysticism." You see the issue here? The Supper feeds people with the grace and life of Christ every bit as much as the Word does. Because of this, it is absolutely central to Christian worship, and depriving people of it on a Sunday is just as severe as depriving them of the Word.
Thank you for having us on Javier!
In these days of the proliferation of Roman and Eastern apologists, this is a most needed breath of fresh air. To quote Paul: "may the Word run and be glorified".
Great video! Congrats on your confirmation into Lutheranism btw! It took me at least a couple years of studying denominations to commit to Lutheranism, but my wife & I were just confirmed earlier this year. Videos like this have been very helpful for us throughout the whole process since we both grew up with no exposure at all to classical Protestantism
Blessed Reformation day!
Great Apostasy Day*
@@a.ihistory5879 Papists Apostasy Day
@@a.ihistory5879 Yes, the day Rome rejected the Gospel and fell to Apostasy
Cheers
Excellent stream. It’s great to be a Lutheran, and everyone should subscribe to both this channel and Scholastic Lutherans!
The boyssss! The just shall live by faith. Loving your work Javier keep it up brother
Im really bummed I couldn't make this stream. You're all my favorites!
Love both of your channels, looking forward to watching this!
Welcome to the Evangelical Lutheran Church, Javier!
Happy All Saints’ Day, hopefully by God’s mercy includes Father Luther, who never envisioned such a celebration and for there to be so many alternative churches, he on;y wanted, quite rightly in some ways (which were addressed) his reformed Catholic Church, he would be celebrating all hallows Eve instead and all saints and all souls days all those years ago. If today he is celebrating by God’s mercy, he is celebrating with us this All Saints’ Day he is;I’ve in heaven, and us Christian’s here hoping by gods Grace to finish the race.
Post Tenebras Lux!
After Spiritual darkness in the medieval period, comes the return of the Gospel’s glorious light!
Blessed Reformation day!
A discussion of Occam and his influence on Luther would be helpful. May it will come up. Have not finished the video.
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@@amcasci I have a different video addressing that very topic: ruclips.net/video/d1KR8FEGeuE/видео.htmlsi=e2ERx5_20s6tXFkx
Hope that helps!
I will be replying to this in depth, probably within the next few days. I love addressing these "Reformation Day" videos and articles because invariably they are so selective and one-sided in what they discuss that they amount to a relentless effort at promulgating half-truths. I fully expect the same again here, but I would be delighted to be wrong about that and to actually see a fair presentation.
Well, I started to do so but found that the discussion rambled and wandered so much -- like so many theological videos online lately -- that it was very difficult to make replies to. I'll wait for a more specific topic.
27:20 Epic Thomas Carlyle reference.
When bro didn't give me an invite 😔✊
Excited to hear the talk
@@PracticalChristianLessons Sorry, this was a Lutheran event 😎
All jokes aside, though, we definitely need to film another video together soon!
Ah…scholastic Lutherans. I found the answer to my question as to who these men are.
Is Seth drinking beer?🍺
It's a tradition that I drink a beer on stream! For this special occasion, however, I did not drink a beer... I drank two beers!
BTW… I am not familiar with the three guests. Who are they, pastors? Professors? I’m an old emeritus LCMS and so t recognize these men. A little background please.
I should add I am not questioning their scholarship. Just wondering who they are.
We're just a handful of well-read LCMS laymen (team also includes an AALC seminarian, a Concordia visiting professor, a Danish theologian, and a member of the Ethiopian WELS sister church). Most of us are converts from evangelicalism of some variety.
I liked the history and positive treatment of why you guys like Lutheranism and think it's good you could celebrate together the heritage of your tradition at this time.
However...
Maybe a disclaimer that 'Evangelical is an umbrella' was needed, ironically, given it is being compared to Lutheranism and last I checked it's possible to be both as one is not a denomination. Defining the use of the term maybe as well, sounds like a pejorative at times with some of that apect of the conversation being cringeworthy and giving a bit much of the zealous convert attitude.
As someone who grew up in what I would describe as an evangelical Baptist context and remain so I tried to relate to the experiences shared in this video but much of it just doesn't seem that familiar to me. Maybe this is a geographical or cultural difference but it also seems there's a bit of over reaching when it comes to distinguishing Lutheranism in ways that don't seem to represent the background several of you guys came from in anything but its weaknesses or with anecdotes that assume them.
The discussion around vocation(1:18:06) portrays this most clearly, projecting assumptions of pride and legalism on others without basis. Most people, when speaking of vocation, just mean finding something that suits the giftings and abilities God has given you. I have seen some charismatic contexts where there's such a high expectation to figure this out exactly right where it can become excessive but even there if someone was convinced God told them 'go be a janitor' then there would be no problem. I can't imagine any evangelical saying, even privately, that person was less valued or loved by God.
Let us not forget that Lutherans did force a reformation in the Roman church. Rome today is not what it was in 1517. Today it is the Trent Catholic Church. I suspect had Rome quickly called a council we would have remained i the Roman church. One thing I deplore is anti catholic sentiment I sometimes encounter in my LCMS. Some be
Ie e that Catholics are not Christians. Our LCMS pastors must do a better job of teaching that we are closer to Rome than we are to most Protestants. Our Confessions asserts that we are in agreement with Rome and E Orthodox that Christ is truly and substantially present in the Eucharist. Sadly too many of our LCMS people do not believe that Eucharist is the body and blood of Christ. Instead there is this misunderstanding that the bread and wine somehow connect us to the body and blood. In so saying we deny the true substantial body and blood are there. When we distribute the elements we say “the body of Christ for you.” We do not say the body of Christ is under the bread as if we are to look underneath the wafer. It IS THE VODY AND BLOOD. it is not hidden underneath or in someway attached. IT IS!
We Protestants have nothing in common with Rome. They teach a gospel other than that of Christ. Anathema.
@@Thatoneguy-pu8tyI think you better read Joseph Ratzinger for one. You will be surprised by how much we have in common. A sacramental understanding gives us much in common.
@@Thatoneguy-pu8tyhigh church Protestants actually have more in common with Rome than they do low church Protestants. An Anglican is closer to a Catholic than a Pentecostal is to an Anglican I would argue.
@@amcasci Agreed, atleast Magisterial Protestants have a much more in common with Rome.
@@Thatoneguy-pu8ty Rome co fesses the Trinity, the virgin birth, the two natures of Christ, the sacrificial substitutionary death of Jesus, the bodily resurrection, the ascension, the return in judgment, baptism for regeneration, the true substantial presence of Christ in the Eucharist, the forgiveness of sins, the in dwelling of the Holy Spirit, the bodily resurrection of all the dead….I guess you are right. That is a false religion…but that is what Lutherans believe. So I guess we are a false religion also. How did I miss that?
You had the Lord’s Supper quarterly? Man back in my days as a baptist you were lucky to get it during Christmas.
The Lord's Supper is a solemn moment and should not be trivialized. Each church is free to choose how often it is celebrated, without mysticism.
I’m not trivializing it. I think it’s one of the best things about being a Christian! That’s why I think Christians are better off celebrating every chance they get when they go to church Sunday. Assuming their church can afford it.
@@hc7385 so we are free to ignore the Dominican command “Do This”. Please rethink your position and note that out BOC affirms that we celebrate mass every Lords Day, every holy day and whenever people ask for it. Look it up in the Book o Concord.
Dominical not Dominican…good old spell correct
@@hc7385 "The preaching of the Word is a solemn moment and should not be trivialized. Each church is free to choose how often it is done, without mysticism."
You see the issue here? The Supper feeds people with the grace and life of Christ every bit as much as the Word does. Because of this, it is absolutely central to Christian worship, and depriving people of it on a Sunday is just as severe as depriving them of the Word.
Heretics and Schismatics are celebrating right now..
Yep the Catholics on All Saints’ Day
W@@Thatoneguy-pu8ty
Loans before Luther people were saved by grace through faith for Christs sake, not to mention holy baptism.
Oh…I forgot to add…some Lutherans are also saved by grace through faith for Christ sake.
"Great Apostasy Day"
Yeah, unfortunate that the Roman Church had to apostatize... Praying for Papists 🙏🙏🙏
@@jaema8281what a great response 😂👍
So True. A man made religion has just begun... LOL.
Day 1 of reminding all of you that WELS is the one true Church, and all of you must submit to her.
Schism is Sin, we should not be promoting divisions in the Church. I pray that WELS and the LCMS would heal the schism and unite soon.
@@ministeriosemmanuel638It was tongue in cheek my friend.