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Apatosaurus: Your Dinosaurs Are Wrong #12
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2014
- thegeekgroup.org/ - Brontosaurus has been a popular request over the last few months. After a modest correction relating to naming conventions, Steve obliges! Using a rather jiggly example, he covers what made these creatures extremely successful for their time.
UPDATE: An extremely thorough 2015 study of the Diplodocidae found Brontosaurus to be a separate genus from Apatosaurus! They're still more closely related to each other than to the other Diplodocids, though. peerj.com/articles/857/#discu...
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I want a T-shirt that says “ask me about the bone wars”
What were the bone wars
So get one, for half as much as he'd charge you for it
@@nonamepresent881maybe they want to support him :)
I would pay a lot for that
@@squirrels9027 It was this competition to find the most fossils between two rival paleontologists Edward Drinker Cope and Othniel Charles Marsh that started when Marsh made fun of Cope for putting an Elasmosaurus head on its tail. It only ended when Cope died.
*bronto eats a large stone*
"Oh my, that...doesn't seem right."
*bronto eats an entire tree*
"Well I stand corrected I guess."
It's weird watching this in the future when brontosaurus and apatosaurus are now separate Dino's.
Emily Kopp yes it is
U read my mind
yes
Emily Kopp lol oh yes. And 2 years later.
Yah
Brontosaurus is back as a seperate species. Huzzah!
*genus
Some apatosaurus species got reclassified as Brontosaurus genera
I still like Apatosaurus more.
One of them was the one featured in this video. In fact, it's the type species for Brontosaurus.
Jeffrey Gao I like brontosaurus better, partly because of the name, partly because I've seen it restored with these bony studs on the neck (not sure how accurate these are) that look really cool, idk if apatosaurus has been restored with these but whatever.
Dionaea Muscipula really?
Its quite a good coincidence that the species you used has been redescribed to the Brontosaurus genus.
+BigSexy ya
***** That's exactly how it went down. Long Live Brontosaurus
***** lots of people still thinks its a thing, so probably not as long.
@@frenne_dilley It's a dumb one and it didn't. The dinosaur is Apatosaurus, this is just about people not willing to leave a silly old defunct name alone. Apatosaurus was named first, people, get over it. You've discovered iPads, iPhones, Instagram, coronavirus, Trump, Johnson, Islamists, body-waxing, plastic surgery, killer drugs, climate change, the death of music and film as an art form, the ongoing death of millions of animal species in REAL time, and the unique factoid we don't NEED to eat, wear or treat any of them like shit, yet still do. And all this lovely crap has come to light LONG SINCE Brontodon was retired into the ether. Be proud of that, otherwise you'll lose it all, and deserve too!
@@kyachdistent1301 brontodon?
Please do a whole episode on the bone wars.
BONE WARS
Ditto!!!!!
I wonder why they never made a movie out of it!!
In regards to the "Bull-Whip" theory about the tail, I think the idea was less about the tail swinging at the threat and suddenly changing direction to increase the impact, cuz yeah, that'd send the end of its tail twirling off into the trees, and more of just-...
Ya'know, take a really long piece of Bamboo; 20~ft?, and while holding it at the thick end, just turn, like, 45 degree (I don't know the Key-strokes for the Degrees symbol) and watch just how much strength you can generate at the end without having to "Whip-crack" it. You'd be surprised how hard those things can hit.
Scale that up to the appropriate size and weight and I doubt even Rexes would be brave/stupid enough to attack it from anywhere in a ~90 degree (dammit) arc behind it, let alone if it just spins (albeit quite slowly) around.
If I were dumb as a rock and had a long tail I'd break it ten times over to avoid having my caudofemoralis longus ripped out my ass
I'm sure even if it was a traumatic experience desperate subadults would beat the life out of a predator with that tail, especially considering late derived titanosaurs have spikes and stuff at the tail
A comment from 4 years ago? Just do 0 °
Brontosaurus is a valid genus now. Isn't that great?
make a episode of the supersaurus
No. The Morrison has too many diplodocids.
Send a toy then, pretty sure they would not mind doing it.
*Oi JOSUKE! brontosaurus is now a valid genus. Isn't that wacky?
@@jeffreygao3956 no
Your Dinosaurs are Wrong is the BEST series ever!!!! Whenever a new installment comes in, I watch it immediately. What's Steve's secret - how did he become so well-versed in dinosaur knowledge - heck, he even cites the literature!!
Hearing Brontosaurus is no longer a valid genus:😱
Brontosaurus now making a comeback: ✊😄 long lived the brontosaurus has returned!
No
This is an incredible website for truthful dinosaur 🦕 information. I've been a voracious dino fan for about 63 years (67 yo) and I have read everything I can get my hands on. Kudos to you for allowing me to continue to learn on this fascinating subject.
"I cant stand up high enough."
You could stand.
"Damn it, I'm a scientist not an athlete!"
"So it was for honking" Thank you for this I never thought I'd here this in the the context of dinosaurs outside of modern ones
+LordTrilobite
I'm sorry if I didn't explain my reasoning better. I personally think it's okay to call *Apatosaurus* "brontosaurus" in the same way that we call *Felis* "cat."
You have a channel!? I am subscribing.
Steven Bellettini Well, that might not work now, Considering Brontosaurus is now a Valid genus separate from Apatosaurus.
Dilo Power Mhmm
why,@@dilo19000 why? there is NONE evidence to support this!!!1
Great now all I can imagine is Little Foot from The Land Before Time sprinting on his hind legs haha
"Ight, I'm boutta head out"
WONDERFUL VISION
My first thought was them swimming and floating just enough they could kick along the bottom with their back legs, but now I wonder...
It’s pretty cool going back to this now in a time where good ol Brontosaurus is back. And seeing as this is about excelsus, technically this IS a YDAW about Brontosaurus. Which is kind of a mind blower.
"I hope you didn't drown." No. Otherwise they wouldn't be watching this wonderful program!
Andrew Shriner we managed to avoid drowning
Technically, I don't believe drowning is defined by fatality. Drowning victims may be rescued and revived.
caveman vs deep end of pool
I never attempted to do that.
@@zooemperor3954 It's good I only have been at the bathtub and used a straw......if it worked, I wanted to do that in the actual lake. good thing it didn't work and I didn't had it far to break through the surface. I tried an actual snorkel. that sucked.
I wanna see an animation of modern animals and dinosaurs interacting in realistic ways, maybe a small raptor and a big cat meet and they both jump a bit and watch each other before both running off, or a Sauropod being scared by a hippo protecting it's river or something like that, hell even just dinosaurs interacting like that with each other
Those videos where a cat sees her reflection for the first time and tries to fight it but its a velociraptor
I really love this guy. I want to take him home and keep him in q comfy room that I can go into any time I want awkwardly delivered dinosaur facts.
So cool to learn that baby apatosaurus was a bipedal runner. Thank you for putting this video together!
Brontosaurus is back!
yee
Funny how the fossil in your profile pic is doing a pose that suggests: *TOO FABULOUS FOR YOU.*
Apatosaurus is front. For over a 100 years. Brontodon is-back in the mists of time to stay. Death to non-discoveries that are another name and species entirely. No name sounds so brilliant it can't be made disappear when not needed!
Those baby Sauropods better be active and fast on those hind limbs to avoid all the Theropods who rely on the massive amounts of Sauropod eggs left to fend for themselves until large enough to join the herd. Makes a lot of sense. Interesting to imagine what social groups if any, baby Sauropods may have formed.
I accidentally came across this channel just now and it's awesome !!! and especially the last part showing "Aladar's evolution... sorry, interpretational evolution haha !! Great job!
I'm lucky with the snorkel pool statement
Can you describe what he means by that? I’m not entirely sure I know what he’s describing. Could you also explain what would go wrong in that scenario?
I read an article on bipedalism that said it was better for acceleration, so it makes sense that little ones would use it to get moving as fast as possible.
@ 13:19
Translation: "I was that stupid kid"
Brontosaurus is now a separate dinosaur. Now when people say brontosaurus they aren't referring to a fake dino.
That last bit of info about the running baby was so cool!
i'm late to the party, I just found your show and have been watching an episode every night. Not in order. Can I just say I love your show and I LOVE GERTY THE DINOSAUR!! I'm always happy when people know who she was. Also you should totally do an episode on the Bone Wars! If you already have and I haven't found it I apologize. It would be awesome!
Yes, fill my brain with more Di-knowledge!
i'd love to see a full episode, or even a series, on the bone wars. cope is one of my favorite historical figures in paleontology.
Actually, the most recent biomechanic analysis of sauropod feet point out to them having a "semi-plantigrade" posture, the metatarsals were not quite level to the ground but not anything close to vertical either.
Oh, cool!
HoveringAboveMyself that’s not how it works- if it’s metatarsals are off the ground at all, it is digitigrade, because all of the weight is on it carpals
which foot?
*_"Largest land vertebrate to walk the earth" implies that there was a bigger, land dwelling, invertebrate... spooky stuff._*
_Arthropleura_
I did the garden hose snorkel thing. Lol. But it was so hard to inhale through the long hose that I switched to a twelve foot long vacuum hose that was 2" diameter. That was easier to inhale through. I also exhaled through my nose. I'm glad I didn't drown... Lol
Baby Brontosaurs running on hind legs just made my week!!! 🦕
Dude I love your videos!!! Where can I find more Dinosaur information!!!
Love this series! If you get the chance, maybe do an iguanodon? You know, those ones from the movie Dinosaur!
The rollercoaster of Brontosaurus classification was more than I expected.
This really needs an update!
I love the humorous tone.
Tail snap break the sound barrier 😂😭
The Brontosaurus as depicted by Zdenek Burian was my favorite dinosaur growing up. It was used in an old book called "Life before man", which was my dinosaur "bible" for many many years. It also contained a lot of other amazing pictures. Not entirely scientifically accurate anymore, but very beautiful :)
We need a Brontosaurus Synapisode!
Speaking of largest land animals ever to walk the earth, I'd love to see you discuss the Sauroposeidon. If I recall, about 15 years ago I read all we had at the time were four neck vertebrae and we decided it may be the biggest thing ever to walk the earth, I'd like to see of that still holds up and if people recreate it accurately.
My dad did almost drown as a teen. He thought he was so clever with his 15 foot snorkel.
It's probably an indication I should go to sleep, but I could _not_ figure out how a snorkel would be helped by a garden hose to swim to the bottom, and your comment made me realize that he only said "garden hose" not as in "garden hose connected to the outdoor running water pipe" 😅😅 So thank you for your comment, I'm gonna go rest my tired brain 😁
'Baby apatosaurs running on their hind limbs'
I have the most adorable image in my head after that description.
"...sauropods rose to prominence"
Some lifeforms just don't know when to stop! They did rise quite a bit, prominencing more and more :D
thank you. your explanations are very thorough. why did Duck slide in front of the camera?
That bull whip would be painful for regular communication but I bet it could terrify predators or rivals in a display
Can you please do a carnotaurus i would like to see what we got.
Maybe a Carnotaurus
I don't know why but the fact that you can see the tape where they marked with tape so they know where to put if
That garden hose and snorkel idea... Yeah that was my 6th grade science project. 🤣 lol
Okay but imagining a juvenile sauropod tegu-running is legit terrifying. Imagine if subadults or adults still managed that! I wouldn't want to be anything considered threatening.
Thanks for defending the layman's term of Brotosaurus or Ptrodactyl, like you always say, "What's in a name?"
The wobbly head of that toy cracks me up. :D
t.rex: "ayyo what up i'm here to-" "BACK THE FUCK UP I AM AN APATOSAURUS!!!"
"No, my father didn't fight in the Bone Wars, he was the navigator on a steam freighter."
"That's what your uncle told you. He didn't hold your father's ideals. He thought he should have stayed here and not gotten involved."
"You fought in the Bone Wars?"
"Yes. I was once an archaeologist, the same as your father. "
"I wish I had known him."
"He was the best horse rider in the country. And a cunning curator. And he was a good friend."
I'd love to see you do videos on any of these guys~
Velociraptor (which i'm sure is coming, it's just a matter of time) (or dromaeosaurid theropods in general, really.)
Microraptors
Carnotaurus
Triceratops (Or Ceratopsids in general)
Spinosaurus (It'd be awesome to see, especially considering the new findings recently!)
Oviraptor
Archaeopteryx
(I'm fairly certain these last four aren't dinosaurs though, but marine reptiles if i remember right?)
Icthyosaurus
Pleseosaur
Mososaurus
Liopleurodon
Love this!!!
Do the bone wars!!! I'm reading about it now, would love to hear your take.
Any thoughts about diplodocids possibly having trunks? I recall reading a book years ago, might have been Bakker's "Dinosaure Heresies", that suggested that they had trunks because the naris(?) placement is similar to that of pachyderms. I believe, though, that the same book also suggests the idea of it leading to resonating chamber although I might be confusing it with the chapter on hadrosaurs.
Riceball01 Trunks would be redundant to the long neck. The nostrils were probably up high to keep them out of the way of the branches.
What is that piano piece called you've been using at the end of your YDAW videos up to this one? I love it and if it's a real song I'd love to listen to it.
i Always call teropods ''terrorpods''
GamePlayXtreme. Makes sense once you watch the JP trilogy.
GamePlayXtreme its "theropod"
When the first skeleton was found it was mistakenly given the wrong skull (a Camarasaurus skull), which remained that way for decades. When the mistake was realised and the skeleton was given the correct skull it was renamed Apatosaurus. I don't know why but it probably put a few noses out of joint at the time. Personally I still love to think of this animal as Brontosaurus. Always thought it was a cool name and he is still my favourite dino.
The skull has nothing to do with the Brontosaurus/Apatosaurus debate.
Where can I get the toy. I know it’s not accurate but it would look kool on my desk.
Oh boy, one of those bendy toys!
I didn't expect to see Gertie the Dinosaur animation.
Gertie's chewing motion is one of the inaccuracies, right? I heard that only mammals can do side-to-side chewing, so they'd only have done up-down chewing, right?
Sauropods didn't chew at all, as they didn't have molars. they swallowed their food whole and ground it up using gastroliths
but would apatosaurus be a good swimer if it needed to like how elephants can swim
"For the *lazyman, it's enough."
FTFY
brontosaurus was reclassified as it's own genus separate to apatosaurus last year or a couple years ago I believe.
Alsooo, what were the bone wars?
Can you do that majungasaurus thing in the intro?
Is that what that thing is?
+Kougaji Sciacallo Dunno?
+Quetzalcoatlus I kinda want him to do it just so we can know...
+Kougaji Sciacallo yeah...
Quetzalcoatlus its a corythosaurus
Breakthrough in hand-drawn animation involves a dinosaur with 'Gertie the Dinosaur'; breakthrough with computer animation involved dinosaurs with 'Jurassic Park'
I thought Taylor et al.(2009) also suggest a high neck is the most likely posture for most land vertebrate animals
I would love to see Triceratops next time, if possible!
"the head was just a grabbing device to move food into the gut" sounds like an insult to me, I think I'm going to use it on my mother-in-law
I'm watching this for the first time now (after having seen the more recent episodes) and man is Steven ever flamboyant with his arms. What happened to him???
What species is seen in this video, bc both a. Louisae and a.ajax are bigger than diplodocus, a.ajax even rivalled supersaurus in size based on new specimens
could the shorter neck-bone things be an adaptation to allow the youngsters of the species to lift their heads up and back in order to shift their centre of gravity back towards the hindlimbs to enable bipedal locomotion? Because running with such a long neck stretched out in front of you will probably not be very safe. Or functional.
@Chaotic Good Steve Question ? how do scientists come up with what geneius and Spicies name takes Presadance ? like Apatosaurus over Brontosaurus ?
He's no longer on this channel. You can find him at the your dinosaurs are wrong channel.
"This has implications, but we're not sure what they are." So much of science is like this, but hey, that's part of the reason we love it.
*WHOOO* Late Jurassic
That endings always get me 😂
"it is for honking". Of course. I am starting to believe if non-avian dinosaurus would be still around today, they would've been somewhat drawn to overly trafficed highways with honking cars......
whats the bone war
Read dragon teeth by Michael chriton, it will give you the idea. It’s also a great book
so seeing how B. excelsus is its own genus, and this episode was on A. excelsus, does that mean we'll get another episode about apatosaurus and change the title of this one to Brontosaurus?
Hmmm... How did they hold up that huge tail all the time? Was a similar system in play as is used in a suspension bridge?
This man is my Hero
That snorkeling story, though!
Are you saying you used a garden hose as a snorkel? Could someone explain what exactly might go wrong in that?
An episode on the Bone Wars would be awesome
Please do quetzalcoatlus and carnotaurus they are two awesome prehistoric creatures that are often misportrayed in toys. (ie. the toys from whale mart that have the super disproportionate horns for carno and the missing crests on quetzal.
I’ve always had a thought that the naris (hole in the top of the head) was similar to an elephants skull with the same hole. Could it be that the brontosaurus had a trunk like an elephant? Curious on your thoughts.
It's not impossible given how trunk musculature can't fossilise. However, given the (hypothesised) use of the long neck and small head primarily to extend the feeding envelope, it's unlikely they would have developed a prehensile trunk to serve what was effectively the same purpose. Not to mention how no known reptilians, whether extinct or extant, have a trunk in that manner.
It's an amusing and creative thought, but the redundancy of it and lack of evidence would seem to suggest otherwise.
Apatosaurus for us in the UK wasn't actually that popular. I guess our equivalent was Brachiosaurus. Like, the core dinos were T-Rex, Raptor, Triceratops, Brachio and Stegosaurus
ThisIsNotHarvey yeah you might just hear of apatosaurus but brachiosaurus was more popular, at least where I was in the uk that was the case.
Same in France I think, although I know too much species to be a good french profane representative ^^
I have to somewhat disagree, I grew up with both Bronto and Brachia, maybe because one of my first toy dinosaurs what a schleich Apatosaurus followed by a allosaurus and a brachiasaurus. So i always think of both of them when peoppe talk about saurapods. I also think of loads more dinosaurs before Raptors because I actually only found out about those when I watched Jurassic park for the first time 😅 it's interesting to see how it's different for different people 😊
This was made only one year before brontosaurus and apatosaurus where classified as distinct genus...
1:29 when you say "largest land vertebrates" that leaves open the possibility that there are invertebrates larger than a sauropod.
And imagining the possibility of a 747-sized hornet has me so shook that I'm commenting on a 6 year old video.
Edit: NINE year old video.
Brontosaurus has been reinstated, hoorah!
I love how stupid he looks when you deepen the chest but otherwise keep the same anatomy of the toy lol! i love this series so much, thank you for making it!
Those hind-leg-running juveniles are COOL!
And it make sense: an *adult* Apatosaur would have no natural predators -- just too freaking big. But a juvenile might have to run for his life every now and again.
Even after reinstating Brontosaurus as a distinct genus, Apatosaurus was considerably bigger than "thunder lizard".
What was the name of the dinosaur where the paleontologist who "discovered" it got the head of one mixed up with the body of another species? I thought that was the Brontosaurus, and now I'm confused.
4:18 Hey, at least Gertie’s legs are directly underneath instead of sprawling like a lizard. So that’s something.