Deinonychus: Your Dinosaurs Are Wrong #14
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- thegeekgroup.org/ - We have a very, very inaccurate one this time around. Steve looks at the animal that (for better or worse) was the catalyst for our current ideas about dinosaurs!
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When the robotic sauropod starts coming in to camera he's trying not to smile or laugh XD
I want to know how he worked out such smooth locomotion in Knex. It’s too brief and small to clearly see how the model is built but I’d like to make my own.
And so are we all
@@Hoshimaru57 I have a decades old set called K’nexasaurus Rex that moves fairly smoothly as well
A word about Jurassic Park. Around the time Michael Crichton was writing his novel, a paleontologist (Gregory Paul, I believe) released a paper addressing and partially revising dromaeosaur taxonomy. Specifically, Paul considered Deinonychus to be a junior synonym of Velociraptor, thus renaming it to Velociraptor antirrhopus. Crichton used this paper for his resource material, which is where the confusion stems from.
it ought to be the other way around, since deinonychus is much bigger than velocirraptor.
anyway, even if I'm not a fan of the JP franchise AT ALL, I remember that back in the day I read the book, and then saw the movie, and I always thought they had swapped V with D just to have a larger dinosaur in the film, but kept the name thinking it sounded cooler. I don't recall that anything in the novel suggested velocirraptor to be larger than it really is.
this always bothered me from the beginning, the same way that they decided to shrink dilophosaurus just because.
I've always found surprising how very often people mention these movies ever since, even in scientific context, I guess they made a profound impression upon fans of a certain generation, an impression to which I was immune. When they were promoting the first JP, they said they had professional paleontologists giving top notch advice and all that, but they actually took many liberties for the sake of dramatism or whatever, and those movies are really, really poor from a cinematographic point of view.
I was rewatching old YDAW vids and I saw this comment, I just thought I'd back it up with a quote from the book.
"Ellie said "but the animal we just saw, the velociraptor- you said it was a mongoliensis?"
"From the location of the amber," Wu said. "It is from China."
"Interesting," Grant said. "I was just digging up an infant antirrhopus"" -Chrichton 127-128.
Crichton specifies the dino in the park is mongoliensis, then incorrectly says antirrhopus is a velociraptor species, then proceeds to write the rest of the book as if mongoliensis is closer to D. antirrhopus size than to chicken size.
Great book though.
@@c.l.6957 In the resource material Chriton used they labeled Deinonychus as Velociraptor Antirrhopus. By the time the movie came out (it could have been earlier) everyone involved knew of the mistake (just like they were aware of feathered dinos) but kept the name because it sounded cooler and was easier to pronounce.
@@canalsoloparaverunvideodem8451 I always had the impression the Raptors in JP (the novel) where oversized, otherwise they wouldn't be that big of a threat. Remember one got hit by a rpg and all it did was wound the dinosaur. As far as the name goes, aside from cooler I've always read that partly why Spielberg stuck with velociraptor was because it was easier to pronounce. Which I really can't argue with, to this day I struggle with spelling deinonychus, let alone saying it.
@@canalsoloparaverunvideodem8451 also I believe somewhere it's mentioned the dilo was a juvenile, and from a cinematic point of view, it's actually pretty well done, it would not have the following it does today. It's ok to not like something just because you don't like it, don't need to make up a reason for not liking it.
I'm going to send a Barney costume.
madwonderland oh god.....
may i ask why?
Please send one
WHAT IS BARNEY?
MikeShatter they clearly just want to watch the world burn
I'm not a palenotologist, but loved dinosaurs as a kid and still "geek out" on them today. I grew up in the 60s and the 70s thinking the dinosaur images made by Knight were really cool: dinosaurs were slow, "cold-blooded", reptilian, mean, relentless, powerful, dark creatures moving around in primordial swamps, fighting and dying in epic, earth-shaking battles. But then I saw the original and really beautiful Bakker drawing of Deinonychus in the early 80s and it blew my mind: it still had the look of a reptile, but it was a jet-fighter, a Corvette, a sprinting rapier of a predator. A dinosaurian cheetah. It was mind-blowing. Even the name, "Terrible Claw"...so awesome. One can't understate how ground-breaking this find was and how Ostrem really made the connection to birds...very cool. And still is to this day.
Wow, I have had that Deinonychus figure for years and never knew what it was.
there is usually a label at the bottom
J.D. Norcross I always thought it was an iguanodon when I had it
Sparkii06 games You know something's wrong when a raptor is mistaken for Iguanodon! XDXD
Ultima ZillaRex but It does a bit....ok your right there is something wrong with me.
Sparkii06 games Not something wrong with you. I meant something wrong with the toy.
Cue dozens of Archaeopteryx toys arriving at TGG headquarters in 3. 2. 1...
Thank you, I think the way you teach science on youtube should be a model for all the other hyped sciency channels that go for a more superficial, poorly referenced with-jokeys-in-teh-middle approach.
hoarf wat about trey the explaining
looking at you Discovery News/Seeker.
Dear lord that Deinonychus toy is ugly O_O
+CJCroen1393 I have that toy
+CJCroen1393 I have that same toy. Lol.
I have a different one
I have that toy, labeled as a velociraptor!
Tyrannosaurus aegyptiacus 423 lol
There is also a kickstarter funded project called “Beasts of the Mesozoic” creating Posable dinosaur figures they have done the Raptors like Velociraptor, Pryoraptor, Dromeosaurus, and Etc.
Currently they are working on the Ceratopsian Dinosaurs.
tasty beasts of the mesozoic
ive got the balaur, zhenyuanlong and the eastern 2-pack hehe (≧∀≦)
dakotaraptor would be cool as they are basically speedy utahraptors there is no innacurate pop culture references to dakotaraptor yet
+Xandeogre I think the New Ice Age movie features them
Dakotaraptors were solitary hunter. But many think it's pack hunter when it was newly discovered
What about saurian?
Xandeowolf I'm definitely late but with saurian now there may be some mistakes in the Dakotaraptor
so what would be the point of doing this video then?
Quetzalcoatlus would be an interesting choice! I know it's not a dinosaur, but has that stopped you before?
A pterosaur and a mammal have been on the show before. Why not?
plesiosaurus
@@jeffreygao3956 What mammal? Not a mammal, a reptile, if you are referring to Dimetrodon.
@@victorshen9257 it's not technically a reptile either. Pelycosaur . Mammalian reptile or maybe more accurate reptilian mammal. pelycosaurs were kind of like missing link from reptile to mammal.
@@victorshen9257 stem-mammal
Please do Deinocheirus since it's body was fully revealed in 2014.
+animalman57 Problem there is that any Deinocheirus toys are like to be made as accurate as possible, because they've only been made since the full body was revealed.
Finally someone suggests Deinocheirus! It's one of my favorite dinos.
You say that like some development team has kept it secret until now...
animalman57 I get mixed up with Deinonichus and deinocherus
animalman57 hey animal man I see you all the time in prehistoric gaming's videos. Wus up
Steve, the veins in your forearms could facilitate the flow of enough water to irrigate The [friggin'] Hanging Gardens.
Touch his chin? Like a philosoraptor?
I lost it at the beginning. The intros never cease to amuse me.
Deinonyochus was one of my favorite raptors
i've seen this raptor toy at walmart here! i need to grab one, i love collecting "inaccuraptor" toys
Beautiful Woman: "HI there..."
Steve: "Wow! You're a paleontologist through and through!!"
Beautiful Woman: "... ?"
Poor Deinonychus, got his body stolen by Velociraptor thanks to Crichton and Jurassic Park.
If I ever get a pet bird I'm naming it Deinonychus; if it's male I'll nickname him Nyki (pronounced as Nicky) or Dein (Dean), if female I'll nickname her Deina (Diana)
Ah yes, Nyki, nicking others with the large claw…
Make your dinosaurs are wrong on Herrerasaurus.
9:50 I was totally blown away when I first saw that dynamic sketch of Deinonychus by Bob Bakker.
How you say it normally: die-non-ik-us
How your grandparents say it: die-no-nye-cuss
“We’ll cover Velociraptor eventually.”
They end up doing it 5 years later.
Yes
"About the size of a horse" *labeled 23 feet long*
its tail was really long but it weighed about as much as a horse, so therefore it was around the size of a horse
Probably meant more in overall volume, some weight ratio, or most likely *height* than length.
This show have such a dry sense of humor at times. It’s wonderful.
I LOVE THIS SERIES! STEVE.....ANOTHER GREAT VIDEO, I COULD LISTEN AND WATCH YOU BREAK DINOSAURS DOWN ALL DAY!
It’s actually true that it was based by this, the author of jurassic Park had professionals help him model them after deinonychus
I'd love to hear about Utahraptor, they're my favorite.
Can't really remember the exact reason but in my childhood this was my favorite dinosaur, I know I had 2 of them from Dinoriders which might have been the influence.
Now a day with all the talk about feathers on dinosaurs and dinosaur sounds, One bird I that makes me think of "raptors" is the Magpie. (Long tail, feather color, the sounds that they make, intelligence and maybe even pack like structure)
I love how he said its hands are pretty accurate because they are faced inwards, unlike in some movies and ark. Simply because he specifically mentioned ark, one of the most inaccurate modern dinosaur games. That just made me laugh because it is so popular and he specifically mentions it rather than in "video games". I found this funny, oh and please do a video on me!
I prefer The Isle. Get to be a Carno.
What evs
Dako I know Im late but considering the raptor in ark is a fucking UTAHRAPTOR, yeah, id say its a kinda inaccurate representation of an animal it is not. And Im pretty sure he said art not ark. And for the most part ark is realistic and accurate, aside from the giganotosaurus being bigger than the trex, even though in real life they were pretty closely sized. What else is inaccurate about ark.
The devs of Ark actually did their research and decided to screw it over in favor of rule of cool and other stuff.
No, Ark is not very accurate whatsoever. Even though their raptor is based on Utahraptor, it is still extremely inaccurate.
I still like the game, and the developers _know_ that its not accurate. The game is meant to be fun and cool, not accurate and educational, and they 100% know this. They tend to grossly exaggerate size, not just on the giganotosaurus but other animals as well. And they tend to exaggerate features as well, to make them stand out from each other more. For example, Kaprosuchus, being a crocodillian, probably couldn't leap 200 feat horizontally. But they needed it to stand out from the sarcosuchus, so they just posted that onto it.
G. S. Paul: **believes that Velociraptor and Deinonychus are the same dinosaur (despite separation by different continents, roughly 40 million years, and different skeletons)**
Every other paleontologist with a fully functioning brain: **[visible confusion]**
I'm kinda confused why people dont want feathery giant birds, I mean imagine the floof!!
You guys are amazing!!! Just the first minute had me almost subbed lol but all ur actual facts with citations had me in love. You guys need to go mainstream worldwide. I’m so tired of ignorant channels giving misinformation out!!!! Spreading ignorance is horrible. They’re like the enemies of truth and knowledge. Stay scientific dawgs! I’ll always be watching you guys and spreading the channel/vids. It’s honestly a privilege. Thank you.
I got here looking for the doom metal band Deinonychus, I have no interest in Dinosaurs but this guy is so interesting I ended up watching the whole thing, the background music is so well selected for the video it's mind blowing.
Deinonychus is a fantastic Doom Metal band name
There is another reason deinonychus was confused with Velociraptor in jurassic park. Crichton mixed up his sources for his book, making deinonychus velociraptor arthirropus.
Deinonychus is in the same family of velicoraptor
Not exactly. Crichton actually knew that his velociraptors were deinonychuses, and its mentioned in the dialogue between characters _within_ the book itself. They (inGen) chose to use velociraptor because it was more viscous sounding.
I think also because its much easier to say aswell
He never mixed up his sources lmfao. Deinonychus Arthirropus was also called Velociraptor Arthirropus. In the books, its directly adressed why the raptors are so large and are called raptors instead of Deinonychus. Just read the book or watch a video on it, but get something straight. Crichton did not mess up his sources
The Creator And it used to literally be called Velociraptor antirrhopus until it was given its own name but technically that's still inaccurate
Honestly, when I draw a sort-of crest on a Deinonychus, it's really just artistic-liberaty. When i draw dinosaurs I try to keep it realistic, but a flat, pigeon-like head looks to bland IMO
yee
ThisIsNotHarvey yee
When I draw dinosaurs, I make sure to make crests and colorful scales/feathers for males.
The flat, bland heads are for females
You’ll be really happy to know that Safari Ltd is working hard to update the ones you’ve done. Today I saw accurate Velociraptor (and this exact inaccurate Velociraptor/Deinonychus toy oddly enough). I also saw accurate T-Rex, Deinocheirus, Archaeopteryx, and Therazinosaurus toys, as well as some pretty good Pterosaurs in proper quadrupedal posture with pycnofibers.
I love the creative ways they prevent these toys and how Steve try so hard not crack up.
Deinonychus > Velociraptor
I loved deinonychus since I was younger. I even have a toy better than that one
no they are 2 different spicies
T R3KT
Ehhh did I say something different?No I didn`t.
> means "bigger" or "better" in that case.
Ofc they are 2 different species.
Randy1337 sorry then it is true cus raptor is like only 2m long xD
T R3KT
Yep :-)
Who pauses when the corrected toy is finished and says "Ding dong!" to lock that image in one's head?
I gotta agree with everyone! This series rocks! Do Spinosaurs!
Man, I had my parents subscribe to the Dinosaur binder in the 90's, but you take this thing to a whole other level.
I remember having this exact toy as a kid
Amazing! My son and I are watching this with mouths open. It is criminal that our toys are wrong. We will watch again tomorrow.
Dude
you need to make dinosaur toys.
I HAD THAT SAME TOY IN MY DINOSAUR COLLECTION AS A KID AND IT WAS MY FAVORITE ONE
THAT INTRO WAS SICK
Man part of me wants to send you what I consider one of the worst examples of a velociraptor toy I have ever found. It not only suffers from the usual problems (like no feathers and wrong arm positions etc) but I am thinking it is a recycled sculpt of some kind. This velociraptor toy has the head of a herbivore. It has a beaked mouth with no teeth and cheeks. Makes me think of really old terrible iguanadon reconstructions and I wouldn't have guessed it was a velociraptor if it wasn't for the toe claw and the text on the belly claiming that is what it's suppose to be. (it should be noted this toy has the date of 2000)
I think I may have 3 of the animals you are talking about , mine are literally an iguanodon with raptor feet, I cannot tell what it is as it has no name and is around 1 centimetre long it is brown in colour with darker brown stripes. It is also on four leger , as if it was meant to be an iguanodon but with raptor toes
I also have this one ( mine is a really dark blue almost black)
I also have one like that it came in a set with an ankylosaurus that had a very triangular head from the dorsal view, tons of spikes on the front and almost no club on its tail
+The winged Porpoise THAT'S IT THAT'S THE ONE I HAVE!!!
+Isaac Dickson did it come with other dinosaurs and a big mountain and palm trees
That toy is particularly awful. It's very satisfying to see all the corrections animated at the end.
I'm so amazed you didn't know the pronunciation of Deinonychus. By far my fave dino and fave dino name.
I would love to see you do a Spinosaurid! They're my favorite dinosaurs.
Wait, so feather-bearing deinonychus reconstructions were being made as early as the 80s? And Jurassic Park still somehow ended up making them a bunch of baldies, huh.
YAY! New video!
5:45 The Utahraptor outline is a bit outdated, recnet discoveries seem to show that Utahraptor was a lot bulkier than smaller Dromeosaurids.
I know I'm a million years late but I always have to comment when it comes up... the Jurassic Park raptors were in fact based on Utahraptor. In one of the features on the DVD set I have they talk about how they hesitated to make the raptors as big as they did because they had no precedent for a dromeosaur of that size. However, WHILE THEY WERE FILMING Utahraptor was dug up and one of the archaeologists on that team called up the consultants for the film and they then went forward in making it as big as they did. Utahraptor wasn't described officially until later, but that doesn't mean the community wasn't aware of it.
Fantastic episode. Can't wait to get to the newer ones.
the opposite of hypertrophy would be hypotrophy. The two prefixes are used opposite of each other in instances where there is a scalar difference between an above position and a below position. Sometimes also used to describe size. I think the a- prefix doesn't have an opposite, it just negates what it comes before, so the opposite of atrophy should be trophy, which, if hypertrophy is overgrowth and hypotrophy is undergrowth, then trophy could mean the presence of a grown body part in the first place. Which would mean atrophy should mean the complete loss of a body part, but english isn't a constructed language lol
I feel like saying that it had a tail fan because Microraptor had one is like saying a Lynx must have a mane, because you found a Lion with the mane preserved. There's been some serious over-correction in giving _every_ dinosaur flamboyant feathers just because they were far more bird-like than people once supposed.
The pronunciation of Deinonychus makes sense. As -onychus comes from the same root word as -onyx (like Baryonyx)
The English Y has many origins. One is the Greek letter Ypsilon, which was pronounced Ü and is the precursor of the Latin V, which in turn gave birth to U and W. The Romans were too lazy to write the stem apparently.
In the past the Greek Y has often been pronounced U. For example in the Mother Goose rhyme, "Polly put the kettle on/ Sukey took it off again", Sukey could also be spelled Psyche.
I had the exact same pronunciation issue with Dinonychus. Similarly until relatively recently:
PA-ra-SAUR-oh-LOW-fuss (Parasaurolophus)
seh-LOFF-ehsis (Coelophysis)
That toy (the sorta redish purple one) I had it as a kid I always thought it was a utahraptor
Jurassic Park was the best (at the time) special effects dinosaur movie ever. For myself, while watching it, I was very perturbed by the gross amount of inaccuracies. However, it spurred a huge amount of interest in dinosaurs which helped activate the public awareness and scientific curiosity.
Yay! Haha just saw this and kind of got hyped and excited when you mentioned my name! Thanks for making the video man! :) Btw, you said deeman correctly but for 'gamez' its just the word games :P
d_won1 ok
On pronunciation - My biology teacher told us what her professor taught her: "Whoever pronounces it the loudest and most confident is correct."
We are mashing Greek, Latin, German, Chinese, other languages, and proper nouns together. There is no way to "properly" pronounce these names.
That begining...
Made my day xD
0:52 who the hell thought THAT looked like a Deinonychus?!
Jenny Hart nobody
Yeah right that is a thicc boi
I never knew dinosaurs inspired such intense nerdiness. Hell, why not? They lived on an ancient version of Earth and neither will never occur in nature again.
5 years later... Velociraptor has finally been covered.
it is interesting that we have avian scales on ornithiscians
That deinonychus toy looks like what would happen if Robert Bakker's deinonychus depiction had sex with a hybrid between an iguanadon and one of those vaguely t-rex like "dinosaurs" from old children's books/cartoons, had a kid with it and overfed it, then it grew up living in unbearable agony
About the note at 10:46 the term foreleg can and now does typically mean the foremost extension of a leg. Because of the ever changing nature of English it no longer is used to describe a four legged critter. Thank God cause that was archaic as hell
The k'nex Dinosaur is like Neptr from Adventure Time! Giving Steve a hug like "I love you, creator"
I have an original 1978 national geographic magazine with a large segment on his thoughts on deinonychus. It features a drawing that is way ahead of its time for an animal discovered in the 60s. I mean its not feathered but its a really good image of the animal.
This toy is still sold in the Dollar Tree I work at and I cry a little inside whenever someone buys it.
P.S. I also said DInoNYchus for the first few decades of my life. I feel your pain.
For a behind-the-scenes look at why they went with Velociraptor for Jurassic Park I recommend reading the intro to Raptor Red (if you haven't already).
That toy is saying "Hello fellow deinonychus"
That K-nex dinosaur was freaking cool!
As a child, all the dinosaur books I read had the dumb shambling lump stumbling around swamps idea of dinosaurs. Reading Bakker's Dinosaur Heresies was like somebody switched the light on.
Dilophosaurus has always been my favorite dinosaur, it would be cool to see a video on that one!
We talked about that one for Episode 5!
ah, I didn't see that, I'll have to go watch it :D
YAY! :D a new one! I LOVE these cause they teach me so much about Dinosaurs. You should do a episode with a triceratops!
Before you do the Velociraptor episode I think you could also mention Achillobator as an inspiration for the Jurassic Park raptors. It was from Mongolia, and believed to be a Velociraptor species before it was classified in 1999. It was also similar size to Deinonychus.
Ezekiel O'Callaghan I only mention Jurassic Park because, for a large segment of the population, those films are the only point of contact with dinosaurs. A lot of people might not know what a _Deinonychus_ or _Achillobator_ was, but they recognize a raptor.
That said: yes, we should definitely cover how the raptor misconception came about.
It's pretty amazing that you got that thing to walk. :D
Oh, so that toy dinosaur I had was a Deinonychus
lol the way you use your hands is so nerdy it's great
With every new discovery, this thing becomes more of a nightmare
"The Hot-Blooded Dinosaurs" by Adrian J Desmond is a great read.
Your amazing, best art reference if listened to yet. Your field of study helps my hobby. =) thank you for all of your videos!
Deinonychus 50% feathered 50% scales
Enjoy this show so much!
2018 here checking in. I love these videos. I hope Steven eventually learns the word "genera". It's pronounced jĕn'ə-rə gen-er-a. "Genre" is similar but different.
Hi! Really good videos! I was wondering if you could make a Velociraptor one. Keep up the good work
me when I see the deinonychus: BOI WHAT IS THAT
Wait...I thought that toy was a Velociraptor! My whole childhood was a lie!
El Patron no it wasn’t. In the late 1980’s and 1990’s, this animal was also called Velociraptor Antirropus. It wasn’t until the late 1990’s till early 2000’s that the name was changed by the majority of the paleontology community and went with Ostom’s original name to avoid confusion.
Fun fact:deinonynchus means "terrible claw"
Oh my God, you can practically see him struggling to keep a straight face in the beginning!
Had you ever considered an Ankylosaurid? The club-tails never seem to get much press...
Todd Holiman He talked about euplocephalus a few episodes ago. Episode #9, to be precise.
I've always thought that the tail fan could act as a third wing or stabilizer. In either depiction of a dromaeosaur with or without primaries, it just feels right. Maneuverability is their THING. Turn on a dime.
I still can’t get over the name heterodontasaurus
it’s like that one meme
"Faaaat Raptor! He ate 2 much skin!"
Baaah! :D