I think the way DCA was calculating the Effect totals was by dividing the Design score by 2 and then totalling them up. It seems to hold together for the ones shown on screen.
I’ve competed in all kinds of competitive circuits. All of these (except BOA) and dozens of others. As random as this will sound, the best scoring system I’ve ever worked with, by far, is the system for the Barbershop Harmony Society for barbershop quartets. It’s super consistent.
Two video ideas 1. Breakdown of Texas UIL scoring because it’s weird and I don’t get it (you can add others too of course) 2. Reaction to the Grand National Finals run and rank each performance yourself, but don’t look at the final scores until you reacted to all of them and rank them based on your expertise.
Don't forget that BOA looks out for their buddies too. Take a look at all of the winners from the grand nationals last week in both the semi-finals and finals and then compare that list to the list of directors that are on their advisory board. Hint, it's a lot. 9 of the 12 bands that placed in the semi-finals have directors on the BOA advisory board. Can't understand how no one's called them out on that.
Correlation doesn't equal causation, that's why no one is "calling them out." The directors of those marching bands happen to have very strong programs. Additionally, non-partisan adjudicators are the ones scoring the bands, not the executive board. You could also make the argument that if bands like Tarpon Springs and Hebron came to Nats, some of those bands whose directors are on the advisory board would not have made finals.
If you don't see how being an advisor to the organization that judges the very thing you complete in is a conflict of interest and unfair advantage, I'm not sure what else to say.
@@keithkozma Again, it's not the board that is judging the shows. Each adjudicator works as an independent contractor, and they have judged hundreds or thousands of shows for all different kinds of circuits. I promise you that they are not thinking about being nicer to the band performing because their director is on the board to the organization that is paying them to judge.
@@MusketeerCaptain Maybe I'm a bit jaded, but in my experience with life that's exactly what happens and I'm not only talking about marching bands. Favoritism is everywhere.
@@keithkozma I can understand your perspective. I know a lot of the adjudicators for BOA and other circuits, so I'm coming from a place of knowing their integrity. My favorite story one of them told me was the following: "I was judging for a different circuit, not to be named, and it was the only time this issue has ever come up in my (x) years of judging. The contest host didn't like the score I had given their group, so they asked me, "is there anything we can do about that score that you gave?" I told them, "sure, I can lower it if you want" and they knew at that point the conversation was done." So, in short, these guys take their job seriously and really love being as honest as they can in their comments/scoring of each group, in *my* experience.
He could do a whole video on this…. Region contest sheets vs Area/state sheets 1A-4A and then different sheets for 5A -6A Lots to unpack with the new sheets this year.
@@notkiwibird oh yea it’s real weird, one of our percussion judges had literally been fired from other events and was still allowed to judge for our show, his comments were so bad that our band director didn’t even show them to us lol
@@notkiwibird I’m still in touch with my old high school, my best friend is a director for the district. I’ve seen them play half times before Area. I thought they were at least top 12, enough to make Finals. They performed 3rd that morning at 9 right after they had to travel 4 hours. Had a good run, ended up being 22. They need to adjust how they score bands
would actually love to see this and Flower mound to see his reaction on the differnces of the two. What happened to FMs drumline durring TX finals that they dropped to 11th??
Yes, do a video of local band circuits! I would be most interested in the Western Band Association, Southern California School Band & Orchestra Association field shows, and the Wisconsin School Music Association competitive fall marching band.
I didn’t even realize that’s what boa does. My highschool went to boa competitions, and I always thought that it was just what show was written the best. Hearing you speak about what the judges should actually be judging changed my perspective completely. It’s so crazy I thought it was that way.
TEXAS UIL MARCHING BAND SCORING, INCREDIBLY CHAOTIC, its simplicity makes it so Edit: to take a closer look at how UIL scoring changes over the Area and state level, I’d recommend looking at one of the Area’s results and the state prelims/finals results. My suggestion for the Area would be Area B, crazy results in all of these👀👀
@@marisolbecerra06 haha I’m actually in the JET band and I appreciate the sympathy. It’s nice to know we weren’t the only ones who thought that. Nothing against jersey village just against UIL.
@@lukebaros1372 Yeah I'm at cy fair and of course no shade to jersey village, their show was cool (we got to see them at one of our games) just the judging and the amount of abrupt changes made those placements all the stranger, plus I liked y'alls show a lot lol
Check out the University interscholastic league ( UIL) which is in Texas. I spent the best four years of my life so far in marching band being judged by them!
This was super cool to watch. You should do another video on my schools circuit, SCSBOA! I’d be curious how it’s ranked (you could even use the 2A Championships sheet happening this Saturday, using Westlake High School).
This is a great breakdown of the scoring structures. I’m a guard instructor and honestly I don’t blame you at all for not attempting the guard sheets for WGI, I couldn’t breakdown the percussion sheets like you did. My kids compete in MMBA (Maryland Marching Band Association) which has a score breakdown that I still don’t really get. From what I remember it’s also one of the ones that breaks out percussion and guard into separate scores that don’t (really) have a bearing on the main score which has its pros and cons
My high was in tob until this year when we left for Maryland marching band association. Thought there judging was very inconsistent from region to region which screwed up standings at championships .
I agree; probably a 55/45 or 60/40 for music/visual makes more sense to me and then the music score is the tie breaker. But yeah, why I like the Barbershop Harmony Society that has a double or triple panel (depending on contest size district vs. international) so 2 or 3 judges per the 3 categories of Singing, Music, and Performance. And those judges all go to a 3yr. candidate school that helps them find what they're categories mean and what they look for. Both of these things help to eliminate the outliers in scores. (still always subjective; no way around it even if not malicious)
Go and look at scoring in DCI from 1983 and earlier...the tick system. Highlights: Shows were longer -- 11:30 to 13 min (the current 10 - 11:30 started in 1986) No one was allowed to vocalize on the field without penalty, except for the DM(s) and color guard captain On the first note or first step there was a single gunshot, indicating that timing had started (the first running start was, I think, Cadets in 89). At the 11:30 mark, there were 2 gunshot, after which ALL judging ceased except for GE...if you watch a high cam vid from before 84, you see the field judges leaving the field with their clipboards held up high to show they were no longer marking mistakes. You could therefore drop gear, blow a drill set, or completely chow a solo or ensemble section (*cough 82 SCV cough*) and it would not affect the score....which is why corps often held off on their hardest and most error-prone parts until after the 11:30 gun. If you went beyond 13 minutes, there was another single shot, indicating overtime penalties were now in play. The scoring itself: Everyone STARTED with a score of 100...mistakes, called tics (because they were noted by a tic on the score sheet) were generally 1/10th of a point for moist infractions -- a blown attack, phasing/out of step in the feet, hitting a rim, etc, although there could be larger penalties -- dropping a rifle or stick was 1/10th, but picking it up again was a full POINT. This is partially why corps would repeat one or more charts from the prior year(s)....it was already familiar, which meant (ideally) it would be played cleaner. There were 5 charts in 82 BD...the opener, perc feature, and concert were repeated in 83 (and were in the same place in the show1st, 3rd, and 4th), with only the production (2nd) and closer (5th) being new to the program. It was a very punitive system.
Nah, you get punished if you are still mentally sleeping during your performance. If you perform well, you'll still get scored properly. The people who adjudicate these shows have been doing so for over a decade. They know what a good/bad band is when they see/hear one.
For DCA the 250 number: you halve composition and add communication and performance. So for the first one P. Hinman's score for the Buccaneers is Comm: 98, Comp: 99, Perf: 98. Comm: 98 + Perf: 98 = 196 and Comp: 99/2 = 49.5 add them together and you get 245.50. My guess is that they wanted some judge of composition, but less of a judge for it than the actual performance on the field. That way an exceptional corp could outperform any bad music they had and still get a decent score, but a bad corp with good music wouldn't be carried by it's good music (though in practice, this wouldn't matter so much)
(UIL) is the state of Texas’s sports and fine arts system and they judge it by having 3 music judges and 2 marching judges and they put my school with music: 10, 9, 9 marching; 8, 5 and I think we should’ve of scored higher than what we got because 1 is the best and 10 is the worst and most bands that were in the area finals with us didn’t even March most of the time while we did March 95% if the show which confused us and then that was our best run ever in the finals and we went down a place please someone explain Edit: Look at the videos of the finals here are the schools: My school: (Brewer Highschool), Aldeo Highschool, Colleyville heritage, summit highschool, Burleson centennial HS, Midlothian highschool, Birdville Highschool, Azle highschool, Richland highschool, Legacy highschool watch the final videos and give me your thoughts
The marching band I am in just went to bands of america and some of the shows there were crazy and we had one of the best preformances we had this season
My band used to compete in USBands/USSBA and now compete in Calvacade of bands, it would be interesting for you to maybe make a sequel to this video where you rank these two along with UiL, tob, and any others that other people have said in the comments!
@@vjay4461 at the time we went on, we didn't get to see your show but i bet it was awesome. the thing is, we all thought you guys would beat us with the way you guys were scoring in the few competitions leading up to championships
The music is for sure more important than the visual aspect, although visual is very important too, like my director always says, “although it’s marching, in the end this is a MUSIC contest” ;))
The World Association of Marching Showbands (WAMSB) it's own judging system they call the One World Judging System. Every caption is well defined using simple words that can easily be translated to other languages (for example, instead of Content and Execution, they say What and How). I can't find a definition on how the total score is added up, but I think this is intentionally vague so local competitions can build their own scoring system off of these definitions based on local valuesand judge availability. This vagueness is also important because marching bands are extremely different around the world. For example, here in Canada, we try to emulate DCI corps, European bands are more militaristic, and Asian bands value cleanliness over difficulty. Band instrumentations vary, at the 2 WAMSB competitions I've taken part in, I've competed against marching bands, drum corps, pipe bands, fife corps, drumlines, and fanfarenzugs, with members aged from elementary school kids to all age groups, and from places like Canada, Mexico, China, Taiwan, Malaysia, Hong Kong, Germany, and the Netherlands.
Straight up, Texas UIL scoring is F Tier My school made it to area One judge ruined it They also played favoritism And also tying bands just get placed alphabetically regardless of best rank
I’d love to see a followup video comparing DCA and DCI scoring systems to the VFW and American Legion scoring systems. I’ve always heard that DCA and DCI scoring systems came about as a reaction to the inflexible and suffocatingly rigid rules of the VFW and AL, but I have never heard any intelligent discussion around what exact rules people disliked so much. It would be an interesting video.
Good morning! Day 4: of asking Eric to watch the 7th regiment 2021 online production. Side note, you should look at the scoring systems for pipe bands. I’d say review however they do it in the Honda battle of the bands competition (the hbcu competition the film drumline is based on) but I can’t find the rules online for judging, just the voting process to get there
You should try and do Midwest Marching. I’m not sure how the scoring works, but I’ve marched in it for 2 years with the Windsor High School Golden Brigade.
You should check out northern California's two main circuits, the NCBA (Northern California Band Association) and the WBA (Western Band Association) one of them was comically bad and the other wasn't
My high school competed in both championships my sophomore year in 2013 and we also did parade for NCBA😂 I'm not 100% sure if I remember this right but I've heard at the time that one of the NCBA judges didn't like our band director so he negatively affected our score
Check out the top 5 circuits for BOA Participating Bands: ISSMA, OMEA, UIL, OKMEA, FMEA, and misstates to compare who have the better judging system and Band size vs School size set up.
I agree with the thought that performance (should) have more impact on the scores. Most of the sheets address this in the content side of individual caption. My vote… break down UIL sheets. Different sheets for different contests (region level, area/state, level), and also different from classification/size. This is new for Texas high school marching bands this year. There is even room for interpretation within some of the captions. Example: does blend/balance in a percussion caption mean blend/balance to the winds when there is a full ensemble box?
@@igachap7851 I don’t want to sound like I’m crapping on them. As most judging rubrics do; they leave room for interpretation and preference. Most of the people judging(especially in the smaller classifications) are used to the old way of doing things, and I believe(and hope) next time around will be better. I do like the idea of caption specific judges(5A & 6A). I’ll say again though, not a big of the design portion having some much weight on the outcome. Change can be good, but growing pains are real.
Video 5 of Loopy Grandma asking Lil' Peanut to play Wipe Out by the Ventures!!! Maybe be dressed as a Surfer Dude? with Surfing special effects! ... I know you are very creative, so I expect something EPIC! (OOPS! Almost forgot to post! 😁)
I played my first BOA like 4 days ago, and despite the fact that I’ve never dropped my stick ever during drill or playing it in front of a crowd, I dropped my stick and because I’m bass, we didn’t have any other sticks for performance, I had to play the ballad and closer one handed. The worst part is I’m a freshman in the drumline.
I want to see him break down ASBOA’s scoring system (Arkansas Schools Band and Orchestra Assocation) and just have a stroke realizing they value being together, not even in time, over anything else
Everyone in high school band complains that their school is poor and cant place well because of that. After noticing how much BOA emphasizes on GE, i can fully understand that, even if your school isn't poor.
I'd love to see a comparison of state band association scoring. For example, Colorado separates performance into "Individual" and "Ensemble" for both music and visual performance. I'd like to see you look at different states across the county, but I don't expect you to do all 50. Or do I?!? I don't. Like 10 is fine.
yooooo he looked at the show that I was at lets go also The dixie state championships were done after the grand finals in texas so I don't know why that was posted first?
Hi EMC, I just got into toms today, and I’m striving for snares. is there any advice you have? I’ve beem playing for like 2 months, and i’m still working on my chops.
I would have like to seen TOB done as well. I marched in that circuit and we would also do some ussba shows as well, mind you, it was the 90s. but it would be neat to see how it ranks.
@@jakegreene4313 I havent marched competitively since '98. I heard things changed a lot, the last competiton I went to was in 2002. my band director passed in january the next year, and our high school quit doing the competitive marching.
@@EMCproductions It takes me a few seconds to think of what to say! Plus, I got the notification faster on my iPad than on my phone ... Don't know why ...
BOA should be lower. As someone who marches BOA, I can’t describe how annoying the judging system is. It’s split into two panels, so a set of judges will judge four bands, then another set of judges will judge four bands, and it’ll go back fourth. The score is then averaged up between the two panels. We didn’t make finals this year because of it and it’s so annoying
@@sethleverett8889 well yeah but those are the comps that everyone goes to and when the judges have completely different scorings it gets really annoying
I would recommend watching some of the top bands from BOA grand nats this year and making a tier list about it. The kids who marched in those shows I think would love to have their show on a popular RUclips channel! Just an idea though
I know that some people will disagree, but i think you should rank the biggest states by most finalist(historically) for BOA. Ohio, Texas, Indiana, Florida, and California. My disclaimer is that I’m not 100% on these top 5 but it seems like these states consistently churn out top bands. What’s wrong with their state that they go to BOA?
Hey Eric, would you be able to make a tenor solo for my friend. They have Covid right now and they are a huge fan of you. You probably won't see this but if you do that be amazing
I marched at Keller High School for 4 years and oh boy do we know BOA… our school was always a more traditional march and play style (not a theatrical production on a field). Long story short, BOA judging has changed the bands style and it’s sad.
All this math made my brain hurt. I need a nap.
I think the way DCA was calculating the Effect totals was by dividing the Design score by 2 and then totalling them up. It seems to hold together for the ones shown on screen.
That’s a crap ton of numbers lol
Are you going to make a video on the BOA 2021 event?
I’ve competed in all kinds of competitive circuits. All of these (except BOA) and dozens of others. As random as this will sound, the best scoring system I’ve ever worked with, by far, is the system for the Barbershop Harmony Society for barbershop quartets. It’s super consistent.
Literally came here to say that Eric should look into the BHS judging system. 🤣🤣🤣
Two video ideas
1. Breakdown of Texas UIL scoring because it’s weird and I don’t get it (you can add others too of course)
2. Reaction to the Grand National Finals run and rank each performance yourself, but don’t look at the final scores until you reacted to all of them and rank them based on your expertise.
that’s sound really good, especially since i was in boa finals last week and got 8th place overally
@@tybishop8478 we got 12th, but also got invited to the Rose Parade in 2023
@@igachap7851 yeah i was there. congrats!
I've always thought that UIL Texas Music scoring was simple now once you have it explained yk
@@tybishop8478 we got 7th, ay we commend you guys for beating reagan tho
Don't forget that BOA looks out for their buddies too. Take a look at all of the winners from the grand nationals last week in both the semi-finals and finals and then compare that list to the list of directors that are on their advisory board. Hint, it's a lot. 9 of the 12 bands that placed in the semi-finals have directors on the BOA advisory board. Can't understand how no one's called them out on that.
Correlation doesn't equal causation, that's why no one is "calling them out." The directors of those marching bands happen to have very strong programs. Additionally, non-partisan adjudicators are the ones scoring the bands, not the executive board.
You could also make the argument that if bands like Tarpon Springs and Hebron came to Nats, some of those bands whose directors are on the advisory board would not have made finals.
If you don't see how being an advisor to the organization that judges the very thing you complete in is a conflict of interest and unfair advantage, I'm not sure what else to say.
@@keithkozma Again, it's not the board that is judging the shows. Each adjudicator works as an independent contractor, and they have judged hundreds or thousands of shows for all different kinds of circuits. I promise you that they are not thinking about being nicer to the band performing because their director is on the board to the organization that is paying them to judge.
@@MusketeerCaptain Maybe I'm a bit jaded, but in my experience with life that's exactly what happens and I'm not only talking about marching bands. Favoritism is everywhere.
@@keithkozma I can understand your perspective. I know a lot of the adjudicators for BOA and other circuits, so I'm coming from a place of knowing their integrity.
My favorite story one of them told me was the following:
"I was judging for a different circuit, not to be named, and it was the only time this issue has ever come up in my (x) years of judging. The contest host didn't like the score I had given their group, so they asked me, "is there anything we can do about that score that you gave?" I told them, "sure, I can lower it if you want" and they knew at that point the conversation was done."
So, in short, these guys take their job seriously and really love being as honest as they can in their comments/scoring of each group, in *my* experience.
This is exactly what I need, I'm writing an essay on scoring systems 🙌
haha i was lowkey hoping for Texas UIL judging system to be on here
Bro it’s terrible
@@jackmjack2805 like really bad. Everyone I met recently who did Area said it was garbage
He could do a whole video on this….
Region contest sheets vs Area/state sheets
1A-4A and then different sheets for 5A -6A
Lots to unpack with the new sheets this year.
@@notkiwibird oh yea it’s real weird, one of our percussion judges had literally been fired from other events and was still allowed to judge for our show, his comments were so bad that our band director didn’t even show them to us lol
@@notkiwibird I’m still in touch with my old high school, my best friend is a director for the district. I’ve seen them play half times before Area. I thought they were at least top 12, enough to make Finals. They performed 3rd that morning at 9 right after they had to travel 4 hours. Had a good run, ended up being 22. They need to adjust how they score bands
You should do Ohio Music Education Association. They sometimes literally rank based on when your band performed.
Can confirm
Bruh OMEA is like entirely based on what judge you get, it's so inconsistent
That would be “Superior”
PLEASE DO OMEA
@@matthewheim3853 yeah but everyone else in your block would have the same judges so it’s fair
You should react to the Hebron Marching Band 2021 show, specifically their UIL finals run
Yes!! They didn't get to go to Grand Nationals this year but their show was amazing!
loved hebrons show
would actually love to see this and Flower mound to see his reaction on the differnces of the two. What happened to FMs drumline durring TX finals that they dropped to 11th??
It was quite a fun show to play!
as someone in the woodlands highschool. yes hebron did amazing! I'm sad we didn't go up against them in grand nats
Yes, do a video of local band circuits! I would be most interested in the Western Band Association, Southern California School Band & Orchestra Association field shows, and the Wisconsin School Music Association competitive fall marching band.
Definitely would place Western Band Association at the top there.
8:11 for DCA effect scores it looks like it's communication plus performance plus half of design gets you your total
I didn’t even realize that’s what boa does. My highschool went to boa competitions, and I always thought that it was just what show was written the best. Hearing you speak about what the judges should actually be judging changed my perspective completely. It’s so crazy I thought it was that way.
In the Long Ago, MBA had GE judges in the box and Execution judges on the field. This was during the tick era.
TEXAS UIL MARCHING BAND SCORING, INCREDIBLY CHAOTIC, its simplicity makes it so
Edit: to take a closer look at how UIL scoring changes over the Area and state level, I’d recommend looking at one of the Area’s results and the state prelims/finals results. My suggestion for the Area would be Area B, crazy results in all of these👀👀
Also area H ended up crazy
And area I 💀
@@lukebaros1372 Area I was so wack man no way jersey village beat james e taylor 💀
@@marisolbecerra06 haha I’m actually in the JET band and I appreciate the sympathy. It’s nice to know we weren’t the only ones who thought that. Nothing against jersey village just against UIL.
@@lukebaros1372 Yeah I'm at cy fair and of course no shade to jersey village, their show was cool (we got to see them at one of our games) just the judging and the amount of abrupt changes made those placements all the stranger, plus I liked y'alls show a lot lol
10:32. Today I learned that DCA is also BOA
Good catch! I love when Morning People catch video errors. I wonder if Eric can fix it?
Apparently WGI is also DCA.
Check out the University interscholastic league ( UIL) which is in Texas. I spent the best four years of my life so far in marching band being judged by them!
This was super cool to watch. You should do another video on my schools circuit, SCSBOA! I’d be curious how it’s ranked (you could even use the 2A Championships sheet happening this Saturday, using Westlake High School).
Or the 3A one for Thousand Oaks High School (We love you Westlake💚💙🧡)
Good luck Westlake. we'll see you saturday -Rowland HS
@@firstnamelastname4928 congrats on 1st in WBA champs from Rosemead HS
Or the 1A from Steele Canyon. We won 4th percussion last saturday
This is a great breakdown of the scoring structures. I’m a guard instructor and honestly I don’t blame you at all for not attempting the guard sheets for WGI, I couldn’t breakdown the percussion sheets like you did. My kids compete in MMBA (Maryland Marching Band Association) which has a score breakdown that I still don’t really get. From what I remember it’s also one of the ones that breaks out percussion and guard into separate scores that don’t (really) have a bearing on the main score which has its pros and cons
My HS did TOB. (Grew up in central PA) I’d love a scoring breakdown for them. Love your content!
My high school was in that circuit too, where’d you go?
@@bryan3754 Tyrone. I marched ‘99-‘03. Group two and three when I was there. You?
I wish he included TOB!
@@robrich3005 I currently play snare for Biglerville High school, we’re one of the smallest bands in the circuit.
My high was in tob until this year when we left for Maryland marching band association. Thought there judging was very inconsistent from region to region which screwed up standings at championships .
I agree; probably a 55/45 or 60/40 for music/visual makes more sense to me and then the music score is the tie breaker.
But yeah, why I like the Barbershop Harmony Society that has a double or triple panel (depending on contest size district vs. international) so 2 or 3 judges per the 3 categories of Singing, Music, and Performance. And those judges all go to a 3yr. candidate school that helps them find what they're categories mean and what they look for.
Both of these things help to eliminate the outliers in scores. (still always subjective; no way around it even if not malicious)
The video we’ve all been wanting a channel with decent size and outreach to make🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Go and look at scoring in DCI from 1983 and earlier...the tick system.
Highlights:
Shows were longer -- 11:30 to 13 min (the current 10 - 11:30 started in 1986)
No one was allowed to vocalize on the field without penalty, except for the DM(s) and color guard captain
On the first note or first step there was a single gunshot, indicating that timing had started (the first running start was, I think, Cadets in 89).
At the 11:30 mark, there were 2 gunshot, after which ALL judging ceased except for GE...if you watch a high cam vid from before 84, you see the field judges leaving the field with their clipboards held up high to show they were no longer marking mistakes. You could therefore drop gear, blow a drill set, or completely chow a solo or ensemble section (*cough 82 SCV cough*) and it would not affect the score....which is why corps often held off on their hardest and most error-prone parts until after the 11:30 gun.
If you went beyond 13 minutes, there was another single shot, indicating overtime penalties were now in play.
The scoring itself: Everyone STARTED with a score of 100...mistakes, called tics (because they were noted by a tic on the score sheet) were generally 1/10th of a point for moist infractions -- a blown attack, phasing/out of step in the feet, hitting a rim, etc, although there could be larger penalties -- dropping a rifle or stick was 1/10th, but picking it up again was a full POINT. This is partially why corps would repeat one or more charts from the prior year(s)....it was already familiar, which meant (ideally) it would be played cleaner. There were 5 charts in 82 BD...the opener, perc feature, and concert were repeated in 83 (and were in the same place in the show1st, 3rd, and 4th), with only the production (2nd) and closer (5th) being new to the program.
It was a very punitive system.
For boa it’s even worse when you get an early performance time because there isn’t anyone there. You get punished for it and it’s annoying
Similar to FMBC
Nah, you get punished if you are still mentally sleeping during your performance. If you perform well, you'll still get scored properly. The people who adjudicate these shows have been doing so for over a decade. They know what a good/bad band is when they see/hear one.
Yes, please compare some local systems! I think finding some varied and different systems to compare would be very interesting to see!
For DCA the 250 number: you halve composition and add communication and performance. So for the first one P. Hinman's score for the Buccaneers is Comm: 98, Comp: 99, Perf: 98.
Comm: 98 + Perf: 98 = 196 and Comp: 99/2 = 49.5 add them together and you get 245.50.
My guess is that they wanted some judge of composition, but less of a judge for it than the actual performance on the field. That way an exceptional corp could outperform any bad music they had and still get a decent score, but a bad corp with good music wouldn't be carried by it's good music (though in practice, this wouldn't matter so much)
(UIL) is the state of Texas’s sports and fine arts system and they judge it by having 3 music judges and 2 marching judges and they put my school with music: 10, 9, 9 marching; 8, 5 and I think we should’ve of scored higher than what we got because 1 is the best and 10 is the worst and most bands that were in the area finals with us didn’t even March most of the time while we did March 95% if the show which confused us and then that was our best run ever in the finals and we went down a place please someone explain
Edit: Look at the videos of the finals here are the schools: My school: (Brewer Highschool), Aldeo Highschool, Colleyville heritage, summit highschool, Burleson centennial HS, Midlothian highschool, Birdville Highschool, Azle highschool, Richland highschool, Legacy highschool watch the final videos and give me your thoughts
Yeah, you DEFINITELY need to talk Marching Band Circuits!
Cavalcade of Bands
Maryland Marching Band Association
Tournament of Bands
USBands
Etc.
The marching band I am in just went to bands of america and some of the shows there were crazy and we had one of the best preformances we had this season
Loving these uploads , appreciate all the consistency and heart you put in ya vids
DCA , also known as an east coast exclusive activity.
The Texas UIL judging is pretty much based on how clean you are with a small amount of general effect
Region level yes. Check out the new rubrics for area/state this year, though. Much different from the previous sheets.
My band used to compete in USBands/USSBA and now compete in Calvacade of bands, it would be interesting for you to maybe make a sequel to this video where you rank these two along with UiL, tob, and any others that other people have said in the comments!
which school?
@@mang058 Nazareth Area
@@vjay4461 cool! congrats on the win. I also compete in cavalcade, my band is Susquehannock
@@mang058 yooo that’s epic! Congrats on your win too! Although we’re pretty annoyed you beat our score 😝 jk
@@vjay4461 at the time we went on, we didn't get to see your show but i bet it was awesome. the thing is, we all thought you guys would beat us with the way you guys were scoring in the few competitions leading up to championships
Video 5 of commenting until EMC makes a front ensemble out of spocks
Now you’re getting me curious about you’re opinion about the world music concours in Kerkrade Netherlands.
Yes please do local band scores. UMEA is the Utah circuit if you were curious since you used the BOA scores from Utah.
You should do ISSMA’s scoring system
Could you please react to the 2021 Hebron and Flowermound shows?
The music is for sure more important than the visual aspect, although visual is very important too, like my director always says, “although it’s marching, in the end this is a MUSIC contest” ;))
The World Association of Marching Showbands (WAMSB) it's own judging system they call the One World Judging System. Every caption is well defined using simple words that can easily be translated to other languages (for example, instead of Content and Execution, they say What and How). I can't find a definition on how the total score is added up, but I think this is intentionally vague so local competitions can build their own scoring system off of these definitions based on local valuesand judge availability. This vagueness is also important because marching bands are extremely different around the world. For example, here in Canada, we try to emulate DCI corps, European bands are more militaristic, and Asian bands value cleanliness over difficulty. Band instrumentations vary, at the 2 WAMSB competitions I've taken part in, I've competed against marching bands, drum corps, pipe bands, fife corps, drumlines, and fanfarenzugs, with members aged from elementary school kids to all age groups, and from places like Canada, Mexico, China, Taiwan, Malaysia, Hong Kong, Germany, and the Netherlands.
That's super clever and these competitions sound so amazing and educationally valuable!
DCA Visual effect is Comm + Per + (Des/2) = Tot
Yeah I staff at Westlake High School (UT) and we always get crapped on by general effect. Judge tape literally said our drill was bad😂😂
Make a marchable tenor set out of bass drums
That would be painful
Actually got started in the late 1960s, that way. My back still hurts
Straight up, Texas UIL scoring is F Tier
My school made it to area
One judge ruined it
They also played favoritism
And also tying bands just get placed alphabetically regardless of best rank
Can you do one with Texas UIL.
Thanks!
My band director marched with you his name is mr Sullivan
He scored the scorers scoring him. Thats a next level W
I’d love to see a followup video comparing DCA and DCI scoring systems to the VFW and American Legion scoring systems. I’ve always heard that DCA and DCI scoring systems came about as a reaction to the inflexible and suffocatingly rigid rules of the VFW and AL, but I have never heard any intelligent discussion around what exact rules people disliked so much. It would be an interesting video.
We need more tier lists!!
*a choir student watching these videos* mhm yes i understand this definitely
judging the judging is a power move
Please do MCBA or Michigans marching circuit for high school
Good morning!
Day 4: of asking Eric to watch the 7th regiment 2021 online production.
Side note, you should look at the scoring systems for pipe bands. I’d say review however they do it in the Honda battle of the bands competition (the hbcu competition the film drumline is based on) but I can’t find the rules online for judging, just the voting process to get there
OMEA (Ohio)'s judging system is based on the DCI one I believe
you should Georgia Indoor Percussion Association
hey emc I got a Crunchie Lunchie note lick its just a piece of music I've working on
You should try and do Midwest Marching. I’m not sure how the scoring works, but I’ve marched in it for 2 years with the Windsor High School Golden Brigade.
Michael Stone is in there and he is my band director right now
You should check out northern California's two main circuits, the NCBA (Northern California Band Association) and the WBA (Western Band Association) one of them was comically bad and the other wasn't
My high school competed in both championships my sophomore year in 2013 and we also did parade for NCBA😂 I'm not 100% sure if I remember this right but I've heard at the time that one of the NCBA judges didn't like our band director so he negatively affected our score
This is more important than my 8am chemistry lecture
Yes! West coast!
Check out the top 5 circuits for BOA Participating Bands: ISSMA, OMEA, UIL, OKMEA, FMEA, and misstates to compare who have the better judging system and Band size vs School size set up.
I agree with the thought that performance (should) have more impact on the scores. Most of the sheets address this in the content side of individual caption.
My vote… break down UIL sheets. Different sheets for different contests (region level, area/state, level), and also different from classification/size.
This is new for Texas high school marching bands this year.
There is even room for interpretation within some of the captions. Example: does blend/balance in a percussion caption mean blend/balance to the winds when there is a full ensemble box?
What a nice way to say that Texas UIL score sheets are terrible and confusing… because I agree
@@igachap7851 I don’t want to sound like I’m crapping on them. As most judging rubrics do; they leave room for interpretation and preference.
Most of the people judging(especially in the smaller classifications) are used to the old way of doing things, and I believe(and hope) next time around will be better.
I do like the idea of caption specific judges(5A & 6A). I’ll say again though, not a big of the design portion having some much weight on the outcome.
Change can be good, but growing pains are real.
Can you also do this for the systems in europe? For DCUK, DCE, CGN and WMC and maybe more.
you should make a video reacting to different high school bands field shows
Video 5 of Loopy Grandma asking Lil' Peanut to play Wipe Out by the Ventures!!! Maybe be dressed as a Surfer Dude? with Surfing special effects! ... I know you are very creative, so I expect something EPIC! (OOPS! Almost forgot to post! 😁)
I played my first BOA like 4 days ago, and despite the fact that I’ve never dropped my stick ever during drill or playing it in front of a crowd, I dropped my stick and because I’m bass, we didn’t have any other sticks for performance, I had to play the ballad and closer one handed. The worst part is I’m a freshman in the drumline.
you should rank high school bands from all 50 states or like top 5 bands in each state or something
I’m in the Lakota East Highschool MB and I think that we should’ve made it into semis in grand nats this year.
YOU SHOULD DEFINITELY REACT TO HIGH SCHOOL BANDS IN TEXAS
8:05 the formula is add comm. and per and 1/2 of Des to get a max of 250
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I want to see him break down ASBOA’s scoring system (Arkansas Schools Band and Orchestra Assocation) and just have a stroke realizing they value being together, not even in time, over anything else
Everyone in high school band complains that their school is poor and cant place well because of that. After noticing how much BOA emphasizes on GE, i can fully understand that, even if your school isn't poor.
Great stuff!!!
Please do cavalcade of bands. Our percussion got a 99/96 this past weekend at champs.
I'd love to see a comparison of state band association scoring. For example, Colorado separates performance into "Individual" and "Ensemble" for both music and visual performance. I'd like to see you look at different states across the county, but I don't expect you to do all 50. Or do I?!? I don't. Like 10 is fine.
yooooo he looked at the show that I was at lets go
also The dixie state championships were done after the grand finals in texas so I don't know why that was posted first?
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WATCH HEBRON 2021!!! Best high school marching show ever
Hi EMC, I just got into toms today, and I’m striving for snares. is there any advice you have? I’ve beem playing for like 2 months, and i’m still working on my chops.
U can do one for scsboa marching bands they changed it this year 40% music preformance, 35% GE, and 25% visual preformance
Make a ranking system of the hybrid rudiments since you did one on the essential rudiments.
woah a new video. Very trippy
I would have like to seen TOB done as well. I marched in that circuit and we would also do some ussba shows as well, mind you, it was the 90s. but it would be neat to see how it ranks.
TOB is frustrating man, especially for the 1A bands. This year for ACCs they had a non percussionist score the percussion, it was laughable
@@jakegreene4313 I havent marched competitively since '98. I heard things changed a lot, the last competiton I went to was in 2002. my band director passed in january the next year, and our high school quit doing the competitive marching.
Rank the southern high school levels. (Like TX MS LA AL etc.)
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You should react to Hebron 2021
Yeah a new. Video!
2nd. So close again...
@@EMCproductions It takes me a few seconds to think of what to say! Plus, I got the notification faster on my iPad than on my phone ... Don't know why ...
Excellencecution! Yes.
Did you know that you put the dca logo in place of wgi and boa on a couple screens?
BOA should be lower. As someone who marches BOA, I can’t describe how annoying the judging system is. It’s split into two panels, so a set of judges will judge four bands, then another set of judges will judge four bands, and it’ll go back fourth. The score is then averaged up between the two panels. We didn’t make finals this year because of it and it’s so annoying
These only happen at super regionals and grand nationals where there is too many bands for one panel to judge
@@sethleverett8889 well yeah but those are the comps that everyone goes to and when the judges have completely different scorings it gets really annoying
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The double stops roll thing, how does it work out evenly?
Could you explain the difference between BOA and DCI? There used to be a difference. Is there anymore?
Our band preformed at BOA in Utah and the scoring system is not very well liked amongst the band directors
Paoli Indiana early and late show plz.
I would recommend watching some of the top bands from BOA grand nats this year and making a tier list about it. The kids who marched in those shows I think would love to have their show on a popular RUclips channel! Just an idea though
I know that some people will disagree, but i think you should rank the biggest states by most finalist(historically) for BOA. Ohio, Texas, Indiana, Florida, and California. My disclaimer is that I’m not 100% on these top 5 but it seems like these states consistently churn out top bands. What’s wrong with their state that they go to BOA?
My HS band got boa 31 place and was 0.02points from the semi finals
Hey Eric, would you be able to make a tenor solo for my friend. They have Covid right now and they are a huge fan of you. You probably won't see this but if you do that be amazing
I marched at Keller High School for
4 years and oh boy do we know BOA… our school was always a more traditional march and play style (not a theatrical production on a field). Long story short, BOA judging has changed the bands style and it’s sad.
I feel your pain my school never does good at BOA, but we’ve made state finals and done relatively well in them most years
you should examine scoring systems by state
I'm having a lot trouble play 6th let's in time. What do u think is the most effective way for me to be able to play it in time??