Yes. My freshman year (I’m going into my junior), we got third place in our class at our second comp. Sounds awesome. Problem was. There were three bands. All the newbies didn’t realize that so they were all celebrating about third place. The others were sulking.
My first year directing an indoor perc group, my kids cheered because they weren't last! We were all total noobs at wgi. I had no idea what I was doing! Some comments were "this would make a great field show, too bad that's not what we do here!" How's that for "constructive" comments?
My freshman year mpa judge said our band “marched too much”. Not sure how a marching band can march too much but yeah. We got a poor that year, but percussion got a superior and best in class so we still got a trophy.
Groups are judged based on their content and achievement. Marching isn’t the only type of visual content, and judges will reward groups who present more variety of choreographic ideas. If you marched the whole show, what other types of visual ideas did you miss out on?
A guy in my drum line got something like 7 points off his I&E solo because the judge didn’t like how his snare was tuned. If those points weren’t taken off, he would have gotten 1st.
Oh hey, I was in the same boat, except my judge didn’t like the tempo my solo was played at (even though I met checked before to make sure it was exactly on time with the sheet music.) Took me from 1st to 4th, and on the score sheets that was the only mark up. It was then I realized I&E wasn’t really worth all of the time and effort.
This. I just had a comp yesterday (we got 1st place and best in general effect, music, and percussion) I’m in battery so we listen to the percussion judge tape and he loved our part and how it fit with pit and the winds, we got perfect scores from him. But one of the music judges said that the battery score didn’t match the wind book at all and it didn’t make sense musically. At the end of the day it’s all judges preferences
Once took an amazing tenors player to an I&E competition with 15 competitors, and two judges. He played amazingly. One judge gave him 1st place, the other gave him 15th place. How is that even possible.
Most of the time....personal preference of a judge..has nothing to do with the percussionist...it's all about the personal attitude of the judge and the "style" of percussion the judge is "used to "...yep....
Honestly I hate when judges can’t understand different styles of music. Like when people make fun of HBCU styles, or traditional militant styles, or drum corps styles, or show band styles. They are all different but simple to understand if you actually care. Sadly most judges don’t.
My sophomore year of high school we played a video game themed drumline show. It was a ton of fun! The finale of the show was the Tetris A theme. Our drill was full of little references, in that we formed different Tetris blocks. One of the judges complained about too many straight lines. ._.
No because that happened to a sister school at a marching contest a few weeks ago, an ambulance decided to back up into the field as they were performing and then somehow they did something that caused their electronics to crash so they had to redo the show, I have friends over there and they said in the judges tapes that “they wouldn’t have normally done that but because they showed absolute promise and precision we decided to let you guys have another chance.” Surprise surprise they ended up in finals 😃
When my band went to a competition, a car alarm went off during our performance and threw most of us off. Didn't get a redo and pretty sure that cost us points
We had a judge who docked points because our synthesized voice sounded “too robotic” and that our samples “weren’t EQ’d correctly.” On a synth. There’s not much we can do with those sounds.
EQ can be adjusted. If you’ve got even the most entry level system you can make adjustments to help with that. But of course the first comment makes no sense.
When I was in WGI we had a show called nonsense and was very similar to the loony tunes show you did but it was Dr. Suess themed. It was supposed to be ridiculous. We had spinning snares and tenor drum harnesses, light up bass drums, marching timpani lines, etc... We had so many inconsistent scores all year, that we had to change our show theme halfway through the year because non of the judges understood what we were doing. So our new show was, "the evolution of music"... Woohoo
This is the only arguement I will accept for why band isn't a sport: there is no definitive scoring system. Its judged, making it highly subject to bias and scoring flaws. By this arguement, gymnastics and diving arent sports, but it's a good point to make. Judges arent a definitive or finite way to score something.
Every sport has referees though. Soccer, football, basketball all have fouls. Nobody says it isn't football when the ref calls 5 yard penalties. Boxing and such have judges to determine wins when a knockout doesn't happen.
Don't gymnastics and diving have an agreed upon point value for the moves performed? Like you can have an easier dive executed flawlessly but still lose to a harder dive executed...less flawlessly?
A lot of activities I consider sports are judged. I wouldn’t say that MMA/boxing isn’t a sport but is judged and the winner could be skewed by a single judges decision. Good point though
Back when i marched in highschool, one of our competitions had a judge from one of the schools that were competing (i think thats illegal) and *surprise* they got 1st. Even the audience was confused because they werent the best and we didnt deserve 4th either lol
not in band, but a similar situation happened with me in a theatre competition last year. the host (who had also judged and was the theatre teacher at the high school the event was hosted at that year) had plenty of her students there. she submitted for the group musical, which usually takes numbers from our musical that season, and she was a judge in that for both preliminaries and finals. needless to say, they got first. but what was the most annoying was the way she announced the win. she congratulated them on turning a 30-member piece into, like, 10 members. (not hard. it was 'gaston' from beauty and the beast.) mind you, our school had a medley--about 4 songs within, like, 8 minutes, i think the limit was? and we had full-on dance numbers. (we did newsies as our musical.) needless to say, she was pretty condescending. quite a few of our seniors cried.
I never have been able to understand how a judges opinion of a piece of music matters at a music contest. This is not a composition contest. It is a PERFORMANCE contest meaning (if the piece is on the approved list) bottom line how well was the piece performed!!
Usually, I’ve found that when a judge critiques how ‘good’ the marching drill or the actual piece of music itself, it means they are too incompetent to provide an actual judging of the marching, and how the music is PLAYED. Because it’s literally ridiculous and petty to take off points if you think a piece of music sounds good or not, or if the drill suits your style or whatever. It’s the actual playing and marching that matters. Last year, my band advanced to state, and we made 8th. Literally every band director there (from all schools) said that we should’ve gotten top 3. Guess what our judge’s review paper said? “Drill is too simple”. That was their biggest complaint, and even though we marched and played perfectly they took off points because they didn’t like the drill itself.
12:18 for an audition to a school of music, the professor would tell the student whether they made it in to the studio or not on the spot. It's important to note that they didn't tell them their results in the audition room, they told them in front of every person in the waiting area (other students, parents, and studio members). The three people before me I heard were rejected. Not only unprofessional, but also really nerve-racking
When my daughter performed for her Music School auditions , she was prepared to perform TWO pieces...after performing the FIRST, the judges said...STOP...You are IN...and WE are glad to have you !!! She received a standing ovation from all 4 judges..She performs on French Horn...Some judges REALLY see GOOD performers ..bless them who really listen to the candidates...
My school usually gets first place in most competitions. Sometimes I feel it’s because we’re better funded. Most times I feel it’s just our staff. Sometimes I watch other shows and feel that we didn’t deserve first. On an other note we don’t have a drum break this year and I’m sad :(
Sadly better funding is the deciding factor. Better funding=Better Staff=Better performers=better show. Of course it's not impossible to do well without amazing funding but it definitely helps tilt the scale
My high school band (medium public school in Louisiana) did pretty well in our region but when we ventured out and had to face any band from Texas, just got annihilated. Even for an above average program, we had to scratch and claw to raise money ourselves.
@@massdefectecksdee my school is dirt poor but we’ve won champs every year since 2015 with the exception of last year where there was no season. so you’re absolutely right. although in higher divisions the best funded schools do way better we just happen to be an exception
At one competition, our percussion section got 8th out of the 8 bands that advanced from prelims to finals. Then, after our finals performance, our percussion section was given 2nd out of 8. No one felt like we played any differently or had a better run at finals.
My high school band was effectively banned from advancing past the district level marching contests. Why? No color guard. Being a military marching style, it was all rank and file and no flashy designs. We always got very high scores on music and marching precision, but not having a color guard docked us points at UIL. Even if everything else was perfect, it wouldn't overcome that. At some point after I graduated, they added a pseudo color guard. All they do is march rank and file with the rest of the band with their flags held vertical. That's it. I don't think they even twirl the flags. It's ok, though, because our big competition was NAMMB, which was judged pretty strict. There's a video floating around that shows all the bands in the stands as they announce the scores. It's almost dead quiet as a bunch of II's and III's are called out, then ours is called as getting a I (One, the best score possible) and we basically drowned out the P.A. announcer with cheers.
The "color guard " thing is totally over rated...so what if the band has no color guard...they have Marching Corp...right ?? Drum line ??? duuuhhhhh !!!! Stupid old-fashioned "rules: need to be overhauled....
@@haukepowers8491 we didn't have corp, or a drumline. We had snare, bass (not tonal), and cymbals of course, but no section had features or split off like you see in corp style marching.
Funny I should find this back in my recommended list today. Texas UIL just held their first large school state military marching contest last night. It's the second year of a pilot program (last year was limited to small schools) where they now separate out the two different marching styles into their own contests. My school was able to advance to state in the 5A/6A class, but unfortunately didn't place. Still, proud of them for getting that far on the first go around.
We have a colorguard judge in our area that calls everything "interesting" . And we never know if it's good or bad. She provides no other context other than "interesting". It's infuriating and I've started avoiding competitions that hire her because she always scores us low without any helpful feedback.
We literally had a competition sophomore year where the judges lost our tapes and then also put us in the completely wrong division, when our director went to talk to them after about the show they basically didn’t give him anything to help us in any way, to say the least we were all extremely frustrated and the only thing we could do was practice and fix anything the director and the techs saw.
I can’t believe how good that entire video was! I actually had to pause it so I could laugh without missing anything. I love Casey Cangelosi! The tenor lick on the bass drums was awesome! The judges meeting w percussion judge was spot on! I love how you ran around the snare drum, TWICE! And the “tens of people” at PASIC comment had me in tears! I’m just blown away by every second of this video!
I was always frustrated at the people that are in band for the credit and would come to the concerts and just ruin it for everyone that actually cared about music!
My Band Director always says to not put too much stock into what some group of people seeing you for the first time says. Its all about how hard you work, and how bad you want it. (We have gotten Division 1 superior ratings for the two years we have competed [boo covid]) My last competition is going to be this coming Saturday and i think we are solid for another Division 1 rating. Wish me luck!
That's why I love the Barbershop Harmony Society's Judging. (all judging is subjective, but with double and triple panels all going through the same 3-yr. program, there's less chances of random scores happening)
Ooohhhh, that 11/8 GROOVE! We were out of our minds on that 11/8 groove! DJ lighting, UV body paints, whipping light sticks around on strings... your quintessential '80s Rave scene! 😎
My freshman year we did horrible. 2 years later we made school history and made finals every competition, ending with a 96 as our top score. We had a new band director my 2nd year, and he started to have us listen to all of the judges recordings after competitions so we knew what we were doing wrong, and I think that helped a lot.
Ahh, to be a music judge and judge a performance based on your subjective opinion of the piece rather than your objective critique or review of the actual performance. Crappy piece!! Really?
This didn't happen when I was in marching band, but when my youngest brother was in. This was at State in 2000, and they were announcing the placements at retreat. They announced the the 10th place band and the 9th place band. Then 'in 8th place...The AVON marching band!" Stunned Silence by the whole audience. I had to go back to college, but my mom got to see the recap and hear the judge's tapes at the band booster meeting the following Monday and told me about it. We had placed that low due to one judge. ONE JUDGE!! He had us so far in last place that it dropped us four places. All the other judges had us around 4th place or so. I also found out that that particular judge caused the band everybody thought was going to win to be second. Their show had some similar design elements to ours, but they were better than us, and that same judge didn't like them either. But too bad for that judge, because Avon came in first the following year and had a long winning streak at State after that. All my stories are from before Avon was the powerhouse that they are now because we were NOT a powerhouse when I was in band and just starting to get good when my brother was in, although he was in drumline and the drumline was a powerhouse.
Cangelosi is the percussion professor at the University in my hometown! I’m auditioning to get back into school next year so hopefully I’ll get to learn from him!
I’ve been involved in barbershop singing competitions for 25 years, and I gotta tell you, this is difficult to watch. It makes me feel so grateful that the Barbershop Harmony Society trains our judges so thoroughly. They go to judging school every 3 years and have to re-certify through a competitive process against new judge candidates who have been practice scoring for the previous 2 years. In between schools there are lots of required training exercises, practice recordings they score, and massive discussions on artistry, performance, vocal pedagogy, and where the judging categories should be headed. Every competitor (except at internationals) also gets private coaching from judges at every competition, so ability to give good feedback/coaching is one of the most essential aspects of BHS judging required to become certified. I did a tour of duty as a candidate judge, but did not finish for other reasons. However, as a competitor, I cannot be happy enough with how fair, comprehensive, and uplifting our contest and judging system is. I think if many of these burned band kids have a singing voice at all, they should consider forming a barbershop quartet, or joining a barbershop chorus. They would have a MUCH more fulfilling experience in our contests, which the BHS also puts up on RUclips so we can view them for years to come!
Our current show is still having choreography added to it and is in progress and judges keep docking us points because they can't understand our show or what's going on, however they keep mentioning the sections in which its super obvious of what's happening. Its just super infuriating when they complain about the most obvious section of the show saying its not obvious when there's more confusing parts then the one they pointed out
Had a show called “off the rails” with broken train tracks and everything and a huge train prop. Judge asked why the train wasn’t on any tracks when the show is titled “off the rails”. I don’t think it’s really a show design problem I more so think that most judges are brain dead or numb skulled.
My band director forced everyone to do a solo for “solo and ensemble” one year and I was way too packed between homework and working (illegal) long hours and had to sight read for my solo and didn’t get too bad of a score. It was a bad score but it was pretty decent. Judge even called me out because of how “not practiced” it was.
Small school director here. One of the most frustrating things I've had at marching competitions are ones where judges don't do recordings of their comments, they just use the score sheets to give scores and write any comments they have time for. On those events, so many times my groups have gotten like 30 out of 75, or 90 out of 150, and then the judges either don't write a comment, or all they write is 'good.' Like what the hell do you do with that? Had that happen this fall already. Even better, we got one of those 30 out of 75 scores, and they left a comment about our honor guard, and they aren't even supposed to give a score for honor guard in this state because no one does it.
This year, in 7th grade, the kid next to me, disassembled his tuba and tried to fix a stuck valve, he failed and he keeps stealing my music and sometimes my mouthpiece, but he doesn't use them. It very annoying, and since that kid sits in the middle of the tubas, I have to get yelled at in my ear by a 33 year old pissed of band director in middle school.
Thinking about that one time an ensemble from my band composed their very own piece for a competition, then got dead last because the judges were like "we usually play classical here." It was a kick-ass piece. Listening to it, I would have put them in first because it just sounded stunning.
BRO AT MY LAST COMPETITION (im a freshman in guard) THE MUSIC JUDGE GAVE US A SHOUTOUT BECAUSE WE WERE SO IN SYNC BUT THE VISUAL JUDGE SAID WE WERE OUT OF TIME IN THE SAME PART LIKE WHAT THE HELL-
It didn’t take me long to realize that competitions weren’t always “fair” Good to know that you kept pushing despite the “setbacks” 👍. Also my fav piece by Casey Cangelosi is Etude in e minor.👊
Usually, I’ve found that when a judge critiques how ‘good’ the marching drill or the actual piece of music itself, it means they are too incompetent to provide an actual judging of the marching, and how the music is PLAYED. Because it’s literally ridiculous and petty to take off points if you think a piece of music sounds good or not, or if the drill suits your style or whatever. It’s the actual playing and marching that matters. Last year, my band advanced to state, and we made 8th. Literally every band director there (from all schools) said that we should’ve gotten top 3. Guess what our judge’s review paper said? “Drill is too simple”. That was their biggest complaint, and even though we marched and played perfectly, they took off points because they didn’t like the drill itself.
Back in high school (45 years ago) I was a damn good snare drummer. I was always first chair and in the region bands but the solo and ensemble contests were frustrating. I worked hard and prepared but it always seemed as if the judges were trying too hard to encourage or keep from discouraging others. They gave multiple first, second, and third place medals and never rated anyone bad or last. I guess they were ahead of their time with, “everyone is a winner for trying.”
So recently we had UIL State Solo and Ensemble contests (based in Texas) and I was playing a snare solo entitled Africa Hot by John Wooton. Since covid was still a thing, UIL decided that we would record the videos and send it in to the judge. So we did that but...holy crap it took me 8 freakin hours to record that piece. Technically 2 days because I spent 6 hours the first day and 2 hours the second day. I just wanted to play that piece as perfectly as possible. S/o to my percussion teacher for staying with me so late the first day. All of that hard work...for a 2 rating (which 1 is the best and 4-5 is like the worst). I was gunning for that 1, but it didn't happen. The worst part is...MY JUDGE WASN"T EVEN A MARCHING GUY. He was some drumset guy who had no background in DCI from what I could find. I'm not saying my judge needed to be from DCI, but if you aren't gonna be a percussion instructor at a university or something, at least have background in DCI. Now, he did leave 2 good comments, but the third one was the weird one. He didn't feel the pulse in some sections of the piece. I thought I did a decent job doing that considering its hard to find the pulse in some places, but whatever. Its over. I got one more year of solo and ensemble and if anyone has any recommendations on what I should play (preferably 4.3 octave marimba, marching snare, or marching tenor) give them to me.
Get used to that, UIL solos 90% of the time are not judged by your same specific instrument player. I got lucky that Tony Edwards, Assistant PI at UT with orchestral experience judged my marimba solo (fairly well) but most of the time, especially in regionals and such you're just gonna be going off of whatever the judge feels lol. you either do really decent and they say you did "amazing" and have a "bright future" with like five words of critique or chew you out for phrasing or tempo
also Parody by Jesse Monkman is a fun and easy 4.3 solo. only downside is it's hard to read (I hate how tapspace prints their content, 6 bars a page??? seriously????) but it's fun and on the PML so aye
I'm glad you went ahead with Africa Hot! I'd like to see the video if you still have it. Also, what did you end up playing for your senior year? Last thing, if you haven't already started at TAMUK (you're going there right?), I'm good friends with someone who I think will be one of your teachers, Cristian Zavala. He's an alum from there too. Tell him hi for me! I hope things are going well for you! Ryan :)
@@ryancarlisle7909 Unfortunately I don’t have a video of Africa Hot with me. However I ended up playing a 4 mallet solo for my senior year called Hummingbird. I got a 1 at state with OP. Hope things are going well for you too. (Also now that I am actually getting into marimba stuff and mallets, what was the one baby pink pair of mallets you had called? Those and the white ones with the colored tip and like a darker birch shaft).
@@robpena9152 hey! That’s awesome! Those mallets are either my Matt Lau set from elite mallets (percushop) or a pair of my Chin Chen Lin set from Resta Jay. The other ones are from Artifact percussion. I had those custom made for me. I think you can still do that. I’d have to ask Aaron if he’s still doing that. Glad to hear you’re doing well! Maybe I’ll come visit K-ville again ;)
At my university, back when I was still an undergraduate and marching, we hosted a high school marching competition. Of course it was primarily a recruiting event for our music program and university as a whole, but we still did our best to give the kids a good experience. I worked in the press box on logistical stuff. As a high school marcher, everything about competition seems so mystical and official and it seems like the judges are some sort of all knowing faceless super smart marching gods in the press box and on the field. But after interacting with judges and overhearing their commentary for countless shows, I realize that they’re just regular people and will have differing opinions, and honestly might not even be as knowledgeable and experienced as you might imagine. Not to mention that once you get older you start to realize the social circumstances that impact band performances that are out of any one kid’s control. Funding, culture of the community of the high school, school size etc.
Had the opposite problem of the Loony Tunes show my senior year of marching band, consistently got top scores for visual in our group but dead last for visual effect :/ also got dead last in every competition but walked away from a few with the most caption awards in our group soooo... *shrug*
Last year in marching band we had a melo/ low brass part where they played the melody of twinkle twinkle littler star… once the field judge heard it he sang the abc’s into the microphone for the rest of the show and scored us low
Oh my LORD... I recently had my annual Solo & Ensemble competition for high-school and I remember choosing this piece my school didn't even have and practicing the living daylights out of it ("The Tower of Terror" - Marty Hurley). I played it and my only playing error was a opening a buzz too much from nerves. I get my feedback and I see that for the first time, I didn't get a Superior. The judge's lone comment was "That's the best playing of it I've ever heard, I just don't give anyone who plays this a Superior" and my jaw dropped... Go listen to it, it is a fun solo to both play and listen to.
I say give that judge the Marty Hurley left-hand traditional snare grip. Watch any late 70's early 80's PR drum solo to see why this is an appropriate comment
I played a snare solo that, when me and my band director were looking at it online, had a whole bunch of judges say that they loved and wanted to see people play. So I played it at regional and district competition and both judge groups said it was tacky, but still rated me well because I played it well.
Back in like 2002, my high school in the Florida panhandle did a very awful and embarrassing indoor drumline show based on The Patriot. We never had a full time drum instructor so they brought these two college goobers from Troy State to design and direct it and it was just a disaster. They were late a lot, smoked cigs in front of us, among other unprofessional stuff, and I'm pretty sure one of them slept with one of the girls who was like 15 or 16. Towards the end the main guy just stopped showing up and his assistant stuck around because he was actually nice to us, but probably because he wanted to sleep with more teenagers. We'd always get last place or nearly last because it was just terrible, and the Troy State goobers would change the show hours before we were supposed to perform. One time we were judged by one of the GOATs, Dennis DeLucia, and I remember him actually being somewhat charitable to us. Probably because he's a living legend professional and could most certainly tell we were victims of bad instruction lol. My highschool never did WGI after that and I don't think ever have since.
I come from a less fortnuate school as far as funding for the artsand we got visual points deducted for having trombones... I AM SO SERIOUS. we had trombones instead of all baritones. we also got points for for having silver and brass baritones. WHAT IS GOING ON
I have my first competition this Saturday and I so nervous. Last year we won grand champions (but everyone in the band says that was their worst run) and so I'm nervous we can't live up to that. This year none of us know what we are doing because of a new band director.
@@quailfox1553 Thank you! It went pretty okay with us getting 3rd overall out of about 12 schools. We also got some of the most honorable awards so yeah.
Late to the party but: My senior year in high school we marched the music from Dr. Seuss. I. LOVED. THIS. SHOW. We all loved this show. We poured everything on the field every time for this show because it was fun. It was technically challenging. It even had a baritone solo that was just... *chef's kiss*. And every competition the whole year we got lambasted for "not taking the craft seriously." But props to my director. Big homie went all the way to bat for us. Dude went so hard in the paint we got apology letters. While not the same as hardware... There is something about getting mail during concert season with mea culpas from marching season judges.
As a teaccher, the worst are the judges that only tell you positive things about your group with never speaking a negative, or hell even writing one down. Then they score you lowest overall on the day? Or just the competitions that always end up with the generic "bigger band is better band". Like we have 30 total kids that sound like 4x that much and some shows they go out and wipe the floor and be 2nd-3rd for the entire day, and the next they'll almost be dead last.
this is a story of my favorite moment in band ( so far... ). A judge came out to our school from a different state and spent hours telling us that we weren't feeling the music in the right sense, and that we need to have all of our heart on the field. After that we got a superior rating, went to State and got another superior rating...I love band
I went to Beckman High School in Irvine, CA from fall 2014 to fall 2017. In the falls, we competed in parade competitions in we always did well. In the springs, we changed gears to indoor percussion (ADLA circuit), which we only made finals once over 3 years I was in the program (spring 2015- spring 2017.
At MPA in 8th grade this girl was stomping because she missed a note, thankfully we still got a superior! We had to do a march and 2 other peices. From what I remeber I think the march was On Wisconsin and we played Fourtress of stone and Afterburn! (I'm not a percussionist but I feel like they took of points from the girl who stompped from missing notes)
YO my school played fortress of stone at honor band. For some reason since this was a high school level honor band that played a Sheldon piece and Hollywood Milestones
Last week we had a competition and our props flew away and almost hit a group of clarinets let's just say I have never seen our directors run as fast as they did to grab the props
There was a judge recording at the invitational we hosted, that started the mic early and we heard him mumbling during the shoutouts for 1 minute. He said, "god im losing pencils faster than my wife left me." "They should call this show the short baritones because this band used to have really yall baritones." Like what?! 😂
when i was in high school, I was in a serial last place band that got 2nd to last at finals just like you. We cheered so hard when we weren't last but our cheers included "we're not last!!!!" and we got mega chewed out by our director for our unprofessionality. Ironically, our best performing contest was the saddest one...
I judged TOB my first couple years out of college. I realized it was a crock when I was expressly told to start my scores on the low end at the beginning of the division so that there was room for the last bands in the division to score higher and to avoid ties.
What really sucks for my band is we’re poor because our director makes bed choices with the money so me and the rest of the drumline play our hearts out and do really good in our minds but we still get some of the worst percussion scores because we use stock music while everyone else has a percussion arrangers
I told Eric he should do that back in July when I was in Washington DC ... We were enjoying dinner with Chicken 🍗 from Astro Doughnuts and Fried Chicken.
@@IlliterateBreadsTV Didn't seem too interested at the time! 🙄 I stopped the video because I thought "Oh, this is not going well!" I think he was bored and it is quite a long video. But I'm from the Frank Zappa era. I see your likes: King Crimson, ELP, Deep Purple ... Some of my favorites! Others: Procol Harum, Cream, Led Zepplin, Jethro Tull ...
Just this year at a past competition we got many compliments on the drumlines dynamics from most judges. Except for one who constantly complained about how loud we were….. when he stood right in front of us on the field for most of the show.
This is my first year In marching band and we are going to state and I’m pretty nervous my school usually finishes in the top 5 for area also I’m in the drum line at my school bass 1 if I can have any tips that would help
I’m about to go into my first year of high school and I play trombone and we are luckily very very good at our competitions I am going to SHS southington high school and the band is BKMB blue knights marching band and most years we come in the top 3 at nationals so I am getting ready for 2 weeks of intense band camp wish me luck btw we are doing a show called Dystopia
Our marching band doesn’t have any sound systems or anything, and that’s just the way our high school did things. But at one of our marching competitions they took points off of our final score because we were too “old school” for their competition. That’s why we don’t go there anymore.
Honestly incredibly frustrating. When I was in high school, we only had sound for one show (my junior year). No props, no sets, no nothing. We couldn't afford that. My band (that I'm now an alum of) ended up getting grand champ for the first year since the early 00s. They were the only band in their division not to have any sound system, props, sets, or any tech of the sort. They were absolutely phenomenal. They didn't need props or sound, they were good on their own. I hate that marching band has turned into, "You gotta have all the glitz and tech and loud brass to even consider not being last." Some bands just... don't do that kinda stuff or can't afford to. And I don't think it's fair to knock a band for that - you don't know their funding. I hope that competition isn't like that anymore, that's rude as hell.
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Two friends of mine were in schools with small band programs which were put in AAAA because of how WSMA categorizes based on school size instead of band size. Which meant their bands of around 30 people were against our bands with 150 kids. In which both bands recived the judges comment of: Get a bigger band. :I
This is how most of the competitions around us are/were when I was in high school. Which meant that my high school with a band of around 75 (on a good year) was up against our rivals. Their school was slightly smaller than us, but their band was double our size. And despite their smaller school and smaller town, they had much more funding than us. We were constantly overshadowed by them because the categories for band comps are never fair. School size may determine where you are from (rural or metropolitan) but band size is a lot better of a determiner for comps. The only good band comp there is around here is my Alma Mater's. They take school size into consideration (as in it determines small or large school competition), but it weighs more on the band size than the school size. So our rivals were never in the same class as us, since their band was not near the same size as us. We got placed with similarly sized schools with similarly sized bands. The only fair comps I've found are the ones that don't just rely on school size. It's frustrating that the critiques of small bands are to just.... magically become large school bands. When in actuality there's good stuff in small bands, but nobody cares about them (unless your brass sound can burst your eardrums). Not everyone needs to have that big band sound to be good. I'm waiting for the day that a large band is told to get a smaller band or study what this smaller band does well. Doubt it'll happen tho
I remember, it was one of the biggest competitions last year, and one of the judges said to “finish the musical phrase” when we literally had rests, sucks because we were playing it right and that’s what kept us from getting a superior.
got to play the ensemble arrangement of white knuckle stroll with casey at indiana all state percussion a few years ago! coolest piece ever and casey is such a good dude
We were playing in a marching competition with bands five times our size in our size group we came in last for our size but all the bands with more or less the same amount of people as us got like 30 points (out of 100) lower than us so technically we got last, but at the same time realistically we should have been first in the small band category. The small Man category was like up to 200 people in the school and most of them had about 40 people in the band. We had 500 people in our school and only like 50 people in our band that was the high school band AND the middle School band. ALL OF THE OTHER LARGE BANDS HAD AT LEAST 150 PEOPLE!!!! THE LARGEST ONE HAD LIKE 500 PEOPLE!!!!!!
My band went down to MACBDA a few years ago with a few others from my city (MACBDA is a summer marching band circuit in Wisconsin). At the first show our best band got rained out so we they performed a standstill in the gym and didn't get scored. So one of the bands one every caption. At the end of announcing all the caption winners as the Sound of Sun Prairie, the announcer said, "and on first place, everyone say it with me, the Soouuund of Suun Praiiriieee". It was so satisfying to see our band sweep the captions the next two shows
My band has a 2 week band camp, and we had camp days every Saturday that arent a competition day (which we also have rehearsal on) and we have band after school everyday except Monday for 3 hours, we placed 15th at grandnats (with the highest score we’ve ever had, 90.01) this year and 3rd at state (highest we’ve ever placed in state)
i remember when our school went to a comptetion in 7th grade. it was hell. like im talking we had to drive 4 hours in a non air conditioning bus with 48 kids. once we got there it was 106 degress outside. and after we played, our band teacher had the audacity to give us flaming hot pizza. WITH LITERALLY 0 WATERS. WE HAD NONE 😭. to end the hell of a day off we had to drive another 3 hours back to our school to go home. funny thing is that once everyone got out of the bus they were all literally dripping with sweat 💀
We won at Yamaha cup at Judson, at their field, couple weeks later, we march Area prelims, woke up at 2:30am, had to be at the school by 4:30am, rehearsed tirelessly, Left around 6:00am, Arrived around 7:00 ish, Performed at 9:00am, went back to the school, waited for the results, and we found out we did not make finals. We ended up getting 15th place, the band that I'm in is pretty good to, one judge placed us 5th for music, the other judge placed us 18th. The judge that 18ed us commented "They didn't march enough" we had a lot of visuals at that time, like he's supposed to judge our visuals and "overall" marching, not how much we marched. He was catholic church manager, and claims to have been involved in music for 20 years, literally every school in our area was shocked from our result, after that, we went to a football game since we didn't make finals, and had an EMBARASING loss. We all went home with frowns, and sorrow. I go to W.H Taft HS btw.
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Have you ever been last place?
No but at regionals my friend got last in participating flutes
Yes. My freshman year (I’m going into my junior), we got third place in our class at our second comp. Sounds awesome. Problem was. There were three bands. All the newbies didn’t realize that so they were all celebrating about third place. The others were sulking.
My first year directing an indoor perc group, my kids cheered because they weren't last! We were all total noobs at wgi. I had no idea what I was doing! Some comments were "this would make a great field show, too bad that's not what we do here!" How's that for "constructive" comments?
Yes a couple Times
ohh for sure.
My freshman year mpa judge said our band “marched too much”. Not sure how a marching band can march too much but yeah. We got a poor that year, but percussion got a superior and best in class so we still got a trophy.
Lmao the year after you shouldve just stood still
@@hiiexist479 we basically did. Very little movement but it was still pretty good.
@@sirlordpizzaman3929 good
Groups are judged based on their content and achievement. Marching isn’t the only type of visual content, and judges will reward groups who present more variety of choreographic ideas. If you marched the whole show, what other types of visual ideas did you miss out on?
@@bradleysampson8230 I’m not sure. We had our trumpet captain do a one handed cartwheel while playing his solo so I feel like that covers most of it😂
A guy in my drum line got something like 7 points off his I&E solo because the judge didn’t like how his snare was tuned. If those points weren’t taken off, he would have gotten 1st.
That's so petty
I got 5 points taken off because they didn't like the speed I played even though it said to play at it
Thats why i dont get involvee in any contests or competitions where its subjective like that
Oh hey, I was in the same boat, except my judge didn’t like the tempo my solo was played at (even though I met checked before to make sure it was exactly on time with the sheet music.) Took me from 1st to 4th, and on the score sheets that was the only mark up. It was then I realized I&E wasn’t really worth all of the time and effort.
Music judging is so god damn subjective
Percussion Judge: "Wow, really nice dynamics battery! Great job of complimenting the woodwinds in that section!"
Music Judge: "BATTERY IS TOO LOUD"
Happens all the time!
I swear some of these judges shouldn’t have ever touched concert music
This happened at our last comp. Percussion got a 1 but the other music judges said we were too loud and didn’t mix well with the winds.
This. I just had a comp yesterday (we got 1st place and best in general effect, music, and percussion) I’m in battery so we listen to the percussion judge tape and he loved our part and how it fit with pit and the winds, we got perfect scores from him. But one of the music judges said that the battery score didn’t match the wind book at all and it didn’t make sense musically. At the end of the day it’s all judges preferences
FAX
Once took an amazing tenors player to an I&E competition with 15 competitors, and two judges. He played amazingly. One judge gave him 1st place, the other gave him 15th place. How is that even possible.
Most of the time....personal preference of a judge..has nothing to do with the percussionist...it's all about the personal attitude of the judge and the "style" of percussion the judge is "used to "...yep....
Honestly I hate when judges can’t understand different styles of music. Like when people make fun of HBCU styles, or traditional militant styles, or drum corps styles, or show band styles. They are all different but simple to understand if you actually care. Sadly most judges don’t.
How hard is it to have a freaking rubric and judge calibration session?
The duality of man
My sophomore year of high school we played a video game themed drumline show. It was a ton of fun!
The finale of the show was the Tetris A theme. Our drill was full of little references, in that we formed different Tetris blocks.
One of the judges complained about too many straight lines. ._.
That sounds so cool, do you have a video?
dang if I was a judge I'd leap with joy because there's no straight lines in my band ()_()
I saw one just like that it was pretty cool don't remember how long ago it was.
That reminds me of the drumline my freshman year who played Aerials by System of a Down for their show.
Lol
My band once got deducted 5 points because the fire alarm went off while playing and they didn’t let us redo the piece
No because that happened to a sister school at a marching contest a few weeks ago, an ambulance decided to back up into the field as they were performing and then somehow they did something that caused their electronics to crash so they had to redo the show, I have friends over there and they said in the judges tapes that “they wouldn’t have normally done that but because they showed absolute promise and precision we decided to let you guys have another chance.” Surprise surprise they ended up in finals 😃
When my band went to a competition, a car alarm went off during our performance and threw most of us off. Didn't get a redo and pretty sure that cost us points
@@igachap7851 what
@@zabooka Yeah... I felt bad initially then it turned into fury toward the judges 😐
@@igachap7851 I meant what did you just say that was so confusing
We had a judge who docked points because our synthesized voice sounded “too robotic” and that our samples “weren’t EQ’d correctly.” On a synth. There’s not much we can do with those sounds.
EQ can be adjusted. If you’ve got even the most entry level system you can make adjustments to help with that. But of course the first comment makes no sense.
Imagine playing in a band with samples and synths
if they were gonna judge you on your mixing they should make that clear beforehand that mixing is now a score category
@@cm9241 It can happen because of the theme of the show its not a bad thing
@@brqe nah I'm saying I'm jealous. Our entire pit was a xylophone and bells and a cymbal
When I was in WGI we had a show called nonsense and was very similar to the loony tunes show you did but it was Dr. Suess themed. It was supposed to be ridiculous. We had spinning snares and tenor drum harnesses, light up bass drums, marching timpani lines, etc...
We had so many inconsistent scores all year, that we had to change our show theme halfway through the year because non of the judges understood what we were doing.
So our new show was, "the evolution of music"...
Woohoo
@Band Kid crazy you said that because that's exactly what i thought of lol
@Band Kid honestly though their show absolutely bonkers but in the best way possible
What was the year and group. I wanna watch it
Sounds like a really entertaining show!
@@HotrodHud Huron Valley Percussion 2013
This is the only arguement I will accept for why band isn't a sport: there is no definitive scoring system. Its judged, making it highly subject to bias and scoring flaws. By this arguement, gymnastics and diving arent sports, but it's a good point to make. Judges arent a definitive or finite way to score something.
Every sport has referees though. Soccer, football, basketball all have fouls. Nobody says it isn't football when the ref calls 5 yard penalties. Boxing and such have judges to determine wins when a knockout doesn't happen.
Don't gymnastics and diving have an agreed upon point value for the moves performed? Like you can have an easier dive executed flawlessly but still lose to a harder dive executed...less flawlessly?
A lot of activities I consider sports are judged. I wouldn’t say that MMA/boxing isn’t a sport but is judged and the winner could be skewed by a single judges decision. Good point though
Back when i marched in highschool, one of our competitions had a judge from one of the schools that were competing (i think thats illegal) and *surprise* they got 1st. Even the audience was confused because they werent the best and we didnt deserve 4th either lol
I have seen this often...should be prohibited...
This isnt illegal but it def should be. If anything competitions should be hiring judges from different states so this doesn't happen
not in band, but a similar situation happened with me in a theatre competition last year. the host (who had also judged and was the theatre teacher at the high school the event was hosted at that year) had plenty of her students there. she submitted for the group musical, which usually takes numbers from our musical that season, and she was a judge in that for both preliminaries and finals. needless to say, they got first.
but what was the most annoying was the way she announced the win. she congratulated them on turning a 30-member piece into, like, 10 members. (not hard. it was 'gaston' from beauty and the beast.) mind you, our school had a medley--about 4 songs within, like, 8 minutes, i think the limit was? and we had full-on dance numbers. (we did newsies as our musical.)
needless to say, she was pretty condescending. quite a few of our seniors cried.
@@AshleyRidgePercussion man i literally go to that school are you really doing friendly fire rn
@@kitsayshello oh shoot we did do newsies as our musical… sorry 😃
we need merch that says "not music!"
*Crappy Piece!!*
And "I need to feel the 11/8 groove!"
@@oscargill423 I think I am going to make a shirt that say I am only here to Feel the 11/8 groove
I never have been able to understand how a judges opinion of a piece of music matters at a music contest. This is not a composition contest. It is a PERFORMANCE contest meaning (if the piece is on the approved list) bottom line how well was the piece performed!!
Usually, I’ve found that when a judge critiques how ‘good’ the marching drill or the actual piece of music itself, it means they are too incompetent to provide an actual judging of the marching, and how the music is PLAYED. Because it’s literally ridiculous and petty to take off points if you think a piece of music sounds good or not, or if the drill suits your style or whatever. It’s the actual playing and marching that matters.
Last year, my band advanced to state, and we made 8th. Literally every band director there (from all schools) said that we should’ve gotten top 3.
Guess what our judge’s review paper said?
“Drill is too simple”. That was their biggest complaint, and even though we marched and played perfectly they took off points because they didn’t like the drill itself.
@MusicByKsyusha Thats shitty, we need better judges.
That is very real
@@MusicByKsyusha exactly. And it penalizes the kids for things that are out of there control!!
12:18 for an audition to a school of music, the professor would tell the student whether they made it in to the studio or not on the spot. It's important to note that they didn't tell them their results in the audition room, they told them in front of every person in the waiting area (other students, parents, and studio members). The three people before me I heard were rejected. Not only unprofessional, but also really nerve-racking
When my daughter performed for her Music School auditions , she was prepared to perform TWO pieces...after performing the FIRST, the judges said...STOP...You are IN...and WE are glad to have you !!! She received a standing ovation from all 4 judges..She performs on French Horn...Some judges REALLY see GOOD performers ..bless them who really listen to the candidates...
My school usually gets first place in most competitions. Sometimes I feel it’s because we’re better funded. Most times I feel it’s just our staff. Sometimes I watch other shows and feel that we didn’t deserve first. On an other note we don’t have a drum break this year and I’m sad :(
Sadly better funding is the deciding factor. Better funding=Better Staff=Better performers=better show. Of course it's not impossible to do well without amazing funding but it definitely helps tilt the scale
What a shitty system
My high school band (medium public school in Louisiana) did pretty well in our region but when we ventured out and had to face any band from Texas, just got annihilated. Even for an above average program, we had to scratch and claw to raise money ourselves.
@@massdefectecksdee my school is dirt poor but we’ve won champs every year since 2015 with the exception of last year where there was no season. so you’re absolutely right. although in higher divisions the best funded schools do way better we just happen to be an exception
Out of curiousity, is your band typically the last to perform in your division?
At one competition, our percussion section got 8th out of the 8 bands that advanced from prelims to finals. Then, after our finals performance, our percussion section was given 2nd out of 8. No one felt like we played any differently or had a better run at finals.
My high school band was effectively banned from advancing past the district level marching contests. Why? No color guard. Being a military marching style, it was all rank and file and no flashy designs. We always got very high scores on music and marching precision, but not having a color guard docked us points at UIL. Even if everything else was perfect, it wouldn't overcome that. At some point after I graduated, they added a pseudo color guard. All they do is march rank and file with the rest of the band with their flags held vertical. That's it. I don't think they even twirl the flags.
It's ok, though, because our big competition was NAMMB, which was judged pretty strict. There's a video floating around that shows all the bands in the stands as they announce the scores. It's almost dead quiet as a bunch of II's and III's are called out, then ours is called as getting a I (One, the best score possible) and we basically drowned out the P.A. announcer with cheers.
The "color guard " thing is totally over rated...so what if the band has no color guard...they have Marching Corp...right ?? Drum line ??? duuuhhhhh !!!! Stupid old-fashioned "rules: need to be overhauled....
@@haukepowers8491 we didn't have corp, or a drumline. We had snare, bass (not tonal), and cymbals of course, but no section had features or split off like you see in corp style marching.
Funny I should find this back in my recommended list today. Texas UIL just held their first large school state military marching contest last night. It's the second year of a pilot program (last year was limited to small schools) where they now separate out the two different marching styles into their own contests. My school was able to advance to state in the 5A/6A class, but unfortunately didn't place. Still, proud of them for getting that far on the first go around.
As a marcher in Texas, I know we have two divisions, Open (corp style, show style, jazz style) and Military.
@@coleh9241 so it seems. NAMMB was fun, but nice to see the recognition from UIL on the unique quality of military style marching.
We have a colorguard judge in our area that calls everything "interesting" . And we never know if it's good or bad. She provides no other context other than "interesting". It's infuriating and I've started avoiding competitions that hire her because she always scores us low without any helpful feedback.
"1/10"
"Interesting"
Thanks for the feedback, will make sure to improve that section.
Interesting….
We literally had a competition sophomore year where the judges lost our tapes and then also put us in the completely wrong division, when our director went to talk to them after about the show they basically didn’t give him anything to help us in any way, to say the least we were all extremely frustrated and the only thing we could do was practice and fix anything the director and the techs saw.
me when i cant feel the eleven-eight groove
@Conner Harrell never post a subreddit on youtube
The profile pic is the other half of the meme. Nice.
A few years ago my school did a show called starry night, one of the judges said, “what was the theme”
We had literal stars
I can’t believe how good that entire video was! I actually had to pause it so I could laugh without missing anything. I love Casey Cangelosi! The tenor lick on the bass drums was awesome! The judges meeting w percussion judge was spot on! I love how you ran around the snare drum, TWICE!
And the “tens of people” at PASIC comment had me in tears!
I’m just blown away by every second of this video!
I was always frustrated at the people that are in band for the credit and would come to the concerts and just ruin it for everyone that actually cared about music!
Nobody:
Not one soul:
Percussion judge: “No percussion, it’s RataaTATAaTatA”
My Band Director always says to not put too much stock into what some group of people seeing you for the first time says. Its all about how hard you work, and how bad you want it. (We have gotten Division 1 superior ratings for the two years we have competed [boo covid]) My last competition is going to be this coming Saturday and i think we are solid for another Division 1 rating. Wish me luck!
How’d you do?
That's why I love the Barbershop Harmony Society's Judging. (all judging is subjective, but with double and triple panels all going through the same 3-yr. program, there's less chances of random scores happening)
Ooohhhh, that 11/8 GROOVE! We were out of our minds on that 11/8 groove! DJ lighting, UV body paints, whipping light sticks around on strings... your quintessential '80s Rave scene! 😎
My freshman year we did horrible. 2 years later we made school history and made finals every competition, ending with a 96 as our top score.
We had a new band director my 2nd year, and he started to have us listen to all of the judges recordings after competitions so we knew what we were doing wrong, and I think that helped a lot.
Ahh, to be a music judge and judge a performance based on your subjective opinion of the piece rather than your objective critique or review of the actual performance. Crappy piece!! Really?
I busted out laughing at DFL.
This didn't happen when I was in marching band, but when my youngest brother was in. This was at State in 2000, and they were announcing the placements at retreat. They announced the the 10th place band and the 9th place band. Then 'in 8th place...The AVON marching band!" Stunned Silence by the whole audience. I had to go back to college, but my mom got to see the recap and hear the judge's tapes at the band booster meeting the following Monday and told me about it. We had placed that low due to one judge. ONE JUDGE!! He had us so far in last place that it dropped us four places. All the other judges had us around 4th place or so. I also found out that that particular judge caused the band everybody thought was going to win to be second. Their show had some similar design elements to ours, but they were better than us, and that same judge didn't like them either. But too bad for that judge, because Avon came in first the following year and had a long winning streak at State after that. All my stories are from before Avon was the powerhouse that they are now because we were NOT a powerhouse when I was in band and just starting to get good when my brother was in, although he was in drumline and the drumline was a powerhouse.
Cangelosi is the percussion professor at the University in my hometown! I’m auditioning to get back into school next year so hopefully I’ll get to learn from him!
I’ve been involved in barbershop singing competitions for 25 years, and I gotta tell you, this is difficult to watch. It makes me feel so grateful that the Barbershop Harmony Society trains our judges so thoroughly. They go to judging school every 3 years and have to re-certify through a competitive process against new judge candidates who have been practice scoring for the previous 2 years. In between schools there are lots of required training exercises, practice recordings they score, and massive discussions on artistry, performance, vocal pedagogy, and where the judging categories should be headed. Every competitor (except at internationals) also gets private coaching from judges at every competition, so ability to give good feedback/coaching is one of the most essential aspects of BHS judging required to become certified.
I did a tour of duty as a candidate judge, but did not finish for other reasons. However, as a competitor, I cannot be happy enough with how fair, comprehensive, and uplifting our contest and judging system is. I think if many of these burned band kids have a singing voice at all, they should consider forming a barbershop quartet, or joining a barbershop chorus. They would have a MUCH more fulfilling experience in our contests, which the BHS also puts up on RUclips so we can view them for years to come!
The percussion judge at my last marching band competition got laughed out of the room because of the score sheet.
Show design is another important factor. Shows have to make sense to the judges. No matter how solid you are. The concept needs be understandable.
Then explain how Broken City won. I don't think the judges actually knew what that show was about at the time.
Our current show is still having choreography added to it and is in progress and judges keep docking us points because they can't understand our show or what's going on, however they keep mentioning the sections in which its super obvious of what's happening. Its just super infuriating when they complain about the most obvious section of the show saying its not obvious when there's more confusing parts then the one they pointed out
Had a show called “off the rails” with broken train tracks and everything and a huge train prop. Judge asked why the train wasn’t on any tracks when the show is titled “off the rails”. I don’t think it’s really a show design problem I more so think that most judges are brain dead or numb skulled.
That WGI picture at 3:45, those were 3 of the 4 marimbas and the cymbal lead from my freshman year! Wow they got that image around
Too many judges stuck on their “professor longbeard” life.
My band director forced everyone to do a solo for “solo and ensemble” one year and I was way too packed between homework and working (illegal) long hours and had to sight read for my solo and didn’t get too bad of a score. It was a bad score but it was pretty decent. Judge even called me out because of how “not practiced” it was.
Turns out the judge who wrote “crappy piece” was actually just Pius Cheung trolling Cangelosi
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Small school director here. One of the most frustrating things I've had at marching competitions are ones where judges don't do recordings of their comments, they just use the score sheets to give scores and write any comments they have time for. On those events, so many times my groups have gotten like 30 out of 75, or 90 out of 150, and then the judges either don't write a comment, or all they write is 'good.' Like what the hell do you do with that? Had that happen this fall already. Even better, we got one of those 30 out of 75 scores, and they left a comment about our honor guard, and they aren't even supposed to give a score for honor guard in this state because no one does it.
This year, in 7th grade, the kid next to me, disassembled his tuba and tried to fix a stuck valve, he failed and he keeps stealing my music and sometimes my mouthpiece, but he doesn't use them. It very annoying, and since that kid sits in the middle of the tubas, I have to get yelled at in my ear by a 33 year old pissed of band director in middle school.
Bro I would have told both the director and the kid off fr
Video 13 of asking EMC to see who plays the Beast and the Harlot drum solo the best
Got to love the "lack of drumline" in a marching piece that had all perc on front.
Thinking about that one time an ensemble from my band composed their very own piece for a competition, then got dead last because the judges were like "we usually play classical here."
It was a kick-ass piece. Listening to it, I would have put them in first because it just sounded stunning.
BRO AT MY LAST COMPETITION (im a freshman in guard) THE MUSIC JUDGE GAVE US A SHOUTOUT BECAUSE WE WERE SO IN SYNC BUT THE VISUAL JUDGE SAID WE WERE OUT OF TIME IN THE SAME PART LIKE WHAT THE HELL-
It didn’t take me long to realize that competitions weren’t always “fair”
Good to know that you kept pushing despite the “setbacks” 👍.
Also my fav piece by Casey Cangelosi is Etude in e minor.👊
Usually, I’ve found that when a judge critiques how ‘good’ the marching drill or the actual piece of music itself, it means they are too incompetent to provide an actual judging of the marching, and how the music is PLAYED. Because it’s literally ridiculous and petty to take off points if you think a piece of music sounds good or not, or if the drill suits your style or whatever. It’s the actual playing and marching that matters.
Last year, my band advanced to state, and we made 8th. Literally every band director there (from all schools) said that we should’ve gotten top 3.
Guess what our judge’s review paper said?
“Drill is too simple”. That was their biggest complaint, and even though we marched and played perfectly, they took off points because they didn’t like the drill itself.
Back in high school (45 years ago) I was a damn good snare drummer. I was always first chair and in the region bands but the solo and ensemble contests were frustrating. I worked hard and prepared but it always seemed as if the judges were trying too hard to encourage or keep from discouraging others. They gave multiple first, second, and third place medals and never rated anyone bad or last. I guess they were ahead of their time with, “everyone is a winner for trying.”
So recently we had UIL State Solo and Ensemble contests (based in Texas) and I was playing a snare solo entitled Africa Hot by John Wooton. Since covid was still a thing, UIL decided that we would record the videos and send it in to the judge. So we did that but...holy crap it took me 8 freakin hours to record that piece. Technically 2 days because I spent 6 hours the first day and 2 hours the second day. I just wanted to play that piece as perfectly as possible. S/o to my percussion teacher for staying with me so late the first day. All of that hard work...for a 2 rating (which 1 is the best and 4-5 is like the worst). I was gunning for that 1, but it didn't happen. The worst part is...MY JUDGE WASN"T EVEN A MARCHING GUY. He was some drumset guy who had no background in DCI from what I could find. I'm not saying my judge needed to be from DCI, but if you aren't gonna be a percussion instructor at a university or something, at least have background in DCI. Now, he did leave 2 good comments, but the third one was the weird one. He didn't feel the pulse in some sections of the piece. I thought I did a decent job doing that considering its hard to find the pulse in some places, but whatever. Its over. I got one more year of solo and ensemble and if anyone has any recommendations on what I should play (preferably 4.3 octave marimba, marching snare, or marching tenor) give them to me.
Get used to that, UIL solos 90% of the time are not judged by your same specific instrument player. I got lucky that Tony Edwards, Assistant PI at UT with orchestral experience judged my marimba solo (fairly well) but most of the time, especially in regionals and such you're just gonna be going off of whatever the judge feels lol. you either do really decent and they say you did "amazing" and have a "bright future" with like five words of critique or chew you out for phrasing or tempo
also Parody by Jesse Monkman is a fun and easy 4.3 solo. only downside is it's hard to read (I hate how tapspace prints their content, 6 bars a page??? seriously????) but it's fun and on the PML so aye
I'm glad you went ahead with Africa Hot! I'd like to see the video if you still have it. Also, what did you end up playing for your senior year? Last thing, if you haven't already started at TAMUK (you're going there right?), I'm good friends with someone who I think will be one of your teachers, Cristian Zavala. He's an alum from there too. Tell him hi for me! I hope things are going well for you!
Ryan :)
@@ryancarlisle7909 Unfortunately I don’t have a video of Africa Hot with me. However I ended up playing a 4 mallet solo for my senior year called Hummingbird. I got a 1 at state with OP. Hope things are going well for you too. (Also now that I am actually getting into marimba stuff and mallets, what was the one baby pink pair of mallets you had called? Those and the white ones with the colored tip and like a darker birch shaft).
@@robpena9152 hey! That’s awesome!
Those mallets are either my Matt Lau set from elite mallets (percushop) or a pair of my Chin Chen Lin set from Resta Jay. The other ones are from Artifact percussion. I had those custom made for me. I think you can still do that. I’d have to ask Aaron if he’s still doing that.
Glad to hear you’re doing well! Maybe I’ll come visit K-ville again ;)
At my university, back when I was still an undergraduate and marching, we hosted a high school marching competition. Of course it was primarily a recruiting event for our music program and university as a whole, but we still did our best to give the kids a good experience. I worked in the press box on logistical stuff. As a high school marcher, everything about competition seems so mystical and official and it seems like the judges are some sort of all knowing faceless super smart marching gods in the press box and on the field. But after interacting with judges and overhearing their commentary for countless shows, I realize that they’re just regular people and will have differing opinions, and honestly might not even be as knowledgeable and experienced as you might imagine.
Not to mention that once you get older you start to realize the social circumstances that impact band performances that are out of any one kid’s control. Funding, culture of the community of the high school, school size etc.
Best outro of any RUclips channel I've ever seen, you've got some serious taste, those judges don't know anything...
Had the opposite problem of the Loony Tunes show my senior year of marching band, consistently got top scores for visual in our group but dead last for visual effect :/ also got dead last in every competition but walked away from a few with the most caption awards in our group soooo... *shrug*
Last year in marching band we had a melo/ low brass part where they played the melody of twinkle twinkle littler star… once the field judge heard it he sang the abc’s into the microphone for the rest of the show and scored us low
That’s so degrading wtf. Marching band judges must be on a power trip
Oh my LORD... I recently had my annual Solo & Ensemble competition for high-school and I remember choosing this piece my school didn't even have and practicing the living daylights out of it ("The Tower of Terror" - Marty Hurley). I played it and my only playing error was a opening a buzz too much from nerves. I get my feedback and I see that for the first time, I didn't get a Superior. The judge's lone comment was "That's the best playing of it I've ever heard, I just don't give anyone who plays this a Superior" and my jaw dropped... Go listen to it, it is a fun solo to both play and listen to.
I say give that judge the Marty Hurley left-hand traditional snare grip. Watch any late 70's early 80's PR drum solo to see why this is an appropriate comment
Casey is such a beast . I love White Knuckle Stroll. When you pull that piece off and hit all of the big intervals, it’s Impressive to watch
I played a snare solo that, when me and my band director were looking at it online, had a whole bunch of judges say that they loved and wanted to see people play. So I played it at regional and district competition and both judge groups said it was tacky, but still rated me well because I played it well.
4:58 THAT IS MY BAND DIRECTOR TODD ZIMBELMAN! 😮
same fr ong
SAME
“Have a good morning” well since right after watching this video I start packing for my corps move ins, I will be having a good morning!! 😃
Have fun!!
robert
Back in like 2002, my high school in the Florida panhandle did a very awful and embarrassing indoor drumline show based on The Patriot. We never had a full time drum instructor so they brought these two college goobers from Troy State to design and direct it and it was just a disaster. They were late a lot, smoked cigs in front of us, among other unprofessional stuff, and I'm pretty sure one of them slept with one of the girls who was like 15 or 16. Towards the end the main guy just stopped showing up and his assistant stuck around because he was actually nice to us, but probably because he wanted to sleep with more teenagers. We'd always get last place or nearly last because it was just terrible, and the Troy State goobers would change the show hours before we were supposed to perform. One time we were judged by one of the GOATs, Dennis DeLucia, and I remember him actually being somewhat charitable to us. Probably because he's a living legend professional and could most certainly tell we were victims of bad instruction lol. My highschool never did WGI after that and I don't think ever have since.
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I come from a less fortnuate school as far as funding for the artsand we got visual points deducted for having trombones... I AM SO SERIOUS. we had trombones instead of all baritones. we also got points for for having silver and brass baritones. WHAT IS GOING ON
I have my first competition this Saturday and I so nervous. Last year we won grand champions (but everyone in the band says that was their worst run) and so I'm nervous we can't live up to that. This year none of us know what we are doing because of a new band director.
I hope it went well! Good luck on future competitions. I just had one today!
@@quailfox1553 Thank you! It went pretty okay with us getting 3rd overall out of about 12 schools. We also got some of the most honorable awards so yeah.
Late to the party but:
My senior year in high school we marched the music from Dr. Seuss. I. LOVED. THIS. SHOW. We all loved this show. We poured everything on the field every time for this show because it was fun. It was technically challenging. It even had a baritone solo that was just... *chef's kiss*. And every competition the whole year we got lambasted for "not taking the craft seriously." But props to my director. Big homie went all the way to bat for us. Dude went so hard in the paint we got apology letters. While not the same as hardware... There is something about getting mail during concert season with mea culpas from marching season judges.
Unless you practice 40 hours per day (like Ling Ling) you will NEVER win the judges favor! Go Practice!!
My high school band got 5th at area 4 years in a row-all four years I was in high school
Hey man, 5th in area is amazing for most bands
As a teaccher, the worst are the judges that only tell you positive things about your group with never speaking a negative, or hell even writing one down. Then they score you lowest overall on the day? Or just the competitions that always end up with the generic "bigger band is better band". Like we have 30 total kids that sound like 4x that much and some shows they go out and wipe the floor and be 2nd-3rd for the entire day, and the next they'll almost be dead last.
My freshman year, we took place in a percussion competition, and the host school competed and PAID THE JUDGES to make them win
this is a story of my favorite moment in band ( so far... ). A judge came out to our school from a different state and spent hours telling us that we weren't feeling the music in the right sense, and that we need to have all of our heart on the field. After that we got a superior rating, went to State and got another superior rating...I love band
I went to Beckman High School in Irvine, CA from fall 2014 to fall 2017. In the falls, we competed in parade competitions in we always did well. In the springs, we changed gears to indoor percussion (ADLA circuit), which we only made finals once over 3 years I was in the program (spring 2015- spring 2017.
At a competition this year one of the bands got scored 37 points higher than every other band in music and everyone was so confused.
At MPA in 8th grade this girl was stomping because she missed a note, thankfully we still got a superior! We had to do a march and 2 other peices. From what I remeber I think the march was On Wisconsin and we played Fourtress of stone and Afterburn!
(I'm not a percussionist but I feel like they took of points from the girl who stompped from missing notes)
YO my school played fortress of stone at honor band. For some reason since this was a high school level honor band that played a Sheldon piece and Hollywood Milestones
I’ve never got to have a discussion with my judges, unless I knew them personally
This man really just did Jig 2 on Bass Drums. 💀
Last week we had a competition and our props flew away and almost hit a group of clarinets let's just say I have never seen our directors run as fast as they did to grab the props
There was a judge recording at the invitational we hosted, that started the mic early and we heard him mumbling during the shoutouts for 1 minute. He said, "god im losing pencils faster than my wife left me." "They should call this show the short baritones because this band used to have really yall baritones." Like what?! 😂
“Not Music” (translation: Not music I understand even as a judge).
when i was in high school, I was in a serial last place band that got 2nd to last at finals just like you. We cheered so hard when we weren't last but our cheers included "we're not last!!!!" and we got mega chewed out by our director for our unprofessionality. Ironically, our best performing contest was the saddest one...
I judged TOB my first couple years out of college. I realized it was a crock when I was expressly told to start my scores on the low end at the beginning of the division so that there was room for the last bands in the division to score higher and to avoid ties.
is this tournament of bands in nm?
What really sucks for my band is we’re poor because our director makes bed choices with the money so me and the rest of the drumline play our hearts out and do really good in our minds but we still get some of the worst percussion scores because we use stock music while everyone else has a percussion arrangers
Please play The Black Page by Frank Zappa on drums. Considered one of the most difficult drum set pieces of all time
I told Eric he should do that back in July when I was in Washington DC ... We were enjoying dinner with Chicken 🍗 from Astro Doughnuts and Fried Chicken.
@@RedDogMamaHD what did he say to it?
@@IlliterateBreadsTV Didn't seem too interested at the time! 🙄 I stopped the video because I thought "Oh, this is not going well!" I think he was bored and it is quite a long video. But I'm from the Frank Zappa era. I see your likes: King Crimson, ELP, Deep Purple ... Some of my favorites! Others: Procol Harum, Cream, Led Zepplin, Jethro Tull ...
tbh if he did a good tenor version that would be sick
Just this year at a past competition we got many compliments on the drumlines dynamics from most judges. Except for one who constantly complained about how loud we were….. when he stood right in front of us on the field for most of the show.
This is my first year In marching band and we are going to state and I’m pretty nervous my school usually finishes in the top 5 for area also I’m in the drum line at my school bass 1 if I can have any tips that would help
Casey Cangelosi is such a great, humble guy.
I’m about to go into my first year of high school and I play trombone and we are luckily very very good at our competitions I am going to SHS southington high school and the band is BKMB blue knights marching band and most years we come in the top 3 at nationals so I am getting ready for 2 weeks of intense band camp wish me luck btw we are doing a show called Dystopia
Our marching band doesn’t have any sound systems or anything, and that’s just the way our high school did things. But at one of our marching competitions they took points off of our final score because we were too “old school” for their competition. That’s why we don’t go there anymore.
Honestly incredibly frustrating. When I was in high school, we only had sound for one show (my junior year). No props, no sets, no nothing. We couldn't afford that. My band (that I'm now an alum of) ended up getting grand champ for the first year since the early 00s. They were the only band in their division not to have any sound system, props, sets, or any tech of the sort. They were absolutely phenomenal. They didn't need props or sound, they were good on their own.
I hate that marching band has turned into, "You gotta have all the glitz and tech and loud brass to even consider not being last." Some bands just... don't do that kinda stuff or can't afford to. And I don't think it's fair to knock a band for that - you don't know their funding. I hope that competition isn't like that anymore, that's rude as hell.
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Two friends of mine were in schools with small band programs which were put in AAAA because of how WSMA categorizes based on school size instead of band size. Which meant their bands of around 30 people were against our bands with 150 kids. In which both bands recived the judges comment of: Get a bigger band. :I
This is how most of the competitions around us are/were when I was in high school. Which meant that my high school with a band of around 75 (on a good year) was up against our rivals. Their school was slightly smaller than us, but their band was double our size. And despite their smaller school and smaller town, they had much more funding than us. We were constantly overshadowed by them because the categories for band comps are never fair. School size may determine where you are from (rural or metropolitan) but band size is a lot better of a determiner for comps.
The only good band comp there is around here is my Alma Mater's. They take school size into consideration (as in it determines small or large school competition), but it weighs more on the band size than the school size. So our rivals were never in the same class as us, since their band was not near the same size as us. We got placed with similarly sized schools with similarly sized bands. The only fair comps I've found are the ones that don't just rely on school size.
It's frustrating that the critiques of small bands are to just.... magically become large school bands. When in actuality there's good stuff in small bands, but nobody cares about them (unless your brass sound can burst your eardrums). Not everyone needs to have that big band sound to be good. I'm waiting for the day that a large band is told to get a smaller band or study what this smaller band does well. Doubt it'll happen tho
I remember, it was one of the biggest competitions last year, and one of the judges said to “finish the musical phrase” when we literally had rests, sucks because we were playing it right and that’s what kept us from getting a superior.
Ima freshman just got first place at championships feels pretty good
got to play the ensemble arrangement of white knuckle stroll with casey at indiana all state percussion a few years ago! coolest piece ever and casey is such a good dude
We were playing in a marching competition with bands five times our size in our size group we came in last for our size but all the bands with more or less the same amount of people as us got like 30 points (out of 100) lower than us so technically we got last, but at the same time realistically we should have been first in the small band category. The small Man category was like up to 200 people in the school and most of them had about 40 people in the band. We had 500 people in our school and only like 50 people in our band that was the high school band AND the middle School band. ALL OF THE OTHER LARGE BANDS HAD AT LEAST 150 PEOPLE!!!! THE LARGEST ONE HAD LIKE 500 PEOPLE!!!!!!
My band went down to MACBDA a few years ago with a few others from my city (MACBDA is a summer marching band circuit in Wisconsin). At the first show our best band got rained out so we they performed a standstill in the gym and didn't get scored. So one of the bands one every caption. At the end of announcing all the caption winners as the Sound of Sun Prairie, the announcer said, "and on first place, everyone say it with me, the Soouuund of Suun Praiiriieee". It was so satisfying to see our band sweep the captions the next two shows
My band has a 2 week band camp, and we had camp days every Saturday that arent a competition day (which we also have rehearsal on) and we have band after school everyday except Monday for 3 hours, we placed 15th at grandnats (with the highest score we’ve ever had, 90.01) this year and 3rd at state (highest we’ve ever placed in state)
i remember when our school went to a comptetion in 7th grade. it was hell. like im talking we had to drive 4 hours in a non air conditioning bus with 48 kids. once we got there it was 106 degress outside. and after we played, our band teacher had the audacity to give us flaming hot pizza. WITH LITERALLY 0 WATERS. WE HAD NONE 😭. to end the hell of a day off we had to drive another 3 hours back to our school to go home. funny thing is that once everyone got out of the bus they were all literally dripping with sweat 💀
That feeling when two different judges give you contradicting pieces of advice on a section.
Dude when you put up that picture of a band at grand nationals, that was my high school band in 2019 lol 2:03
dude...
@@rockyinsinga6620 dude.....
I've never seen anyone drum quite like you, you're amazing!
My marching band was undefeated all season and even won Bands of America to come 3rd in state. we also were first in semi state. This was class C
We won at Yamaha cup at Judson, at their field, couple weeks later, we march Area prelims, woke up at 2:30am, had to be at the school by 4:30am, rehearsed tirelessly, Left around 6:00am, Arrived around 7:00 ish, Performed at 9:00am, went back to the school, waited for the results, and we found out we did not make finals. We ended up getting 15th place, the band that I'm in is pretty good to, one judge placed us 5th for music, the other judge placed us 18th. The judge that 18ed us commented "They didn't march enough" we had a lot of visuals at that time, like he's supposed to judge our visuals and "overall" marching, not how much we marched. He was catholic church manager, and claims to have been involved in music for 20 years, literally every school in our area was shocked from our result, after that, we went to a football game since we didn't make finals, and had an EMBARASING loss. We all went home with frowns, and sorrow. I go to W.H Taft HS btw.