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Babylon 5 What it takes to kill the Shadow
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- Опубликовано: 3 дек 2021
- The fledgling Alliance of younger races use telepaths to find out what it takes to kill the Shadow.
Babylon 5 Season 3 Episode 18 "Walkabout"
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That Narn heavy cruiser was getting some sweet sweet revenge.
The Narn Heavy Cruiser nearly soloed a Shadow vessel. There's a reason that the first thing the Shadows did was neutralize the Narns.
Oh yeah. Loved that it was a narn cruiser that got it done.
@hagamapama Interestingly the Narns were also among the first Mr. Morden approached.
The Shadows evidently didn’t find G’Kar’s lack of ambition beyond crushing the Centauri very xompelling, but still.
@@hagamapama Earth Force heavy laser technology was provided by Narns who themselves retro engineered it from Centauri captured designs. There are fusion reactors feeding them, they are brute force heavy weapons with a flaw shared by EA capital ships. The heavy batteries have limited arcs of fire. Both ships really need their fighters.
@@hagamapamaThey didn't fool around either. The ships sent against the Narn fleet were full-on capital ships. It took the massed pinpoint fire of three ships to do any damage at all to one of them, whereas the Shadow energy beams sliced through the Narn cruisers like they were nothing.
When the battle was over
The Narns:"This is for Gorash VII!" & "When we get back, Swedish Meatballs!!!!"
Always liked the randomness of the Shadow ships movement... went well with their chaotic nature.
G’Car: “i brought some friends”!.😎 RIP Andreas Catsulas.
now I cant help but imagining him with whiskers and cat ears... thanks a lot. **Katsulas, btw ;)
I think this was one of the game changers in the war against the Shadows. The first was the Vorlon's attack and the Shadows retaliating by killing Kosh. Next this. Then the bombing of Z'ha'dum, and finally Coriana 6.
I liked the first fight with the Vorlons; they used the "heat them to incandescence then ram them" method.
I put together my own edit of the Vorlon attack on the Shadow. Such an epic hit and run.
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And a Narn Heavy Cruiser did that too
Yet never did it again, why? Was only possible because was a surprise attack in violation of first rules ones of engagement.
0:52 there's that one derpy battle crab that comes tumbling out of hyperspace backwards
Shadow ships fly backwards in non-combat. It's faster, and aero-dynamic in planetary atmospheres. Most battle crabs must spin 180 degrees, or roll into position to enter attack mode.
@@QuantumNova It's space, there is no faster or aerodynamic from the shape.
Face it, it was a derpy ship... there's always one.
He was drunk, shooting his death ray all over the place.
Lords of choas. People amazed when the see chaotic behavior from the shadows? They flip, Stack like pringles, Roll, Fly backwards, or any direction. non B5 fans. Ugh
Every crew has that one guy that's just . . . . yeah.
To kill a shadow, you just need a ray of light.
Babylon 5 to this day remains the greatest space opera ever seen.
That Narn cruiser was like "Surprise bitch".
"This is for Gorash VII!"
When the Narn lasers hit the battlecrab it's like 'ow get them off me'
JESUS that isn't lasers!!! They are HEAVY PARTICLE beam weapons - remember that!
The Narns were thinking "This one's for Gorash 7! Payback's a bitch!"
Shadow vessel: They've got plot!lasers this time! Run awayyyyyy!
@@dirdib69 Not really, even at Gorash 7 there heavy particle beam weapons could harm a shadow vessel. They were caught by surprise and greatly out gunned. Here they can give thanks to Garibaldi and his discovery, they had telepaths tip the odds in there favour.
@@dirdib69 This isn't plot. The Narnish beam weapons were demonstrated to be capable of injuring a Shadow vessel in the initial Gorash 7 ambush, one of them managed to land a shot that snipped off a tentacle, meaning it got through the Shadow's defenses. There is a reason the Shadows took them out first.
1:30 "This one's for Gorash 7!"
I love Narn Ships 😍😍😍
Yes, they look awesome
Kosh: And so it begins.
The Narn G'Quan class heavy cruisers always looks impressive to me. They can pack a punch.
Shadows: We have millions of years of advancement over you. B5: We have Leta. Shadows: Oh crap!
Man leta was so damn cute!!
Good instructions on how to take out the Shadows. Team work is what it takes.
Or system shock from beam weapons.
Lost an Ancient Shadow vessel to a mate's Sharlin that way.
Bring along a super powered telepath helps as well
@@harryc1971 They don't have rules for that in the table-top game.
Fortunately.
When are we going to get a Blu-ray release with the better graphics ???? Please be sometime in 2022 !!!
Considering the Narns had first hand expericence with the Shadow vessels and knowing they have no chance, it was quite brave of Captain Na'Kal to assault a Shadow vessel.
Having a telepath onboard helps.
Yes, a telepath helps, because (if I remember correctly) the Shadows don't pilot their own ships. There are captured telepaths piloting their ships. Is there any shots of Shadows inside of their own ships in battle?
1:19 That was plot armor. Shadow ships never miss unless they want to. Delenn herself says so in an earlier episode of the series. They never miss...
..if you ignore the telepath onboard messing with them that is
*herself
Also, how does Delenn actually know? She's heard *stories* about Shadows, but those are a thousand years old. It seems likely to that Shadows were so terrifying that legends like "they never miss" would spring up when really, they *rarely* miss. Particularly given that their CPUs are living people and the quality of the hardware there probably varies.
Also, the White Star was a much more agile ship than they're used to. Targeting something that darty has got to be hard.
Well you could destroy a shadow ship if you can sustain weapons fire on it but thay can destroy you before you complete the task. Can be easier with multiple ships sustaining fire. The vorlons can do it easily.
White Stars are cool, but they are medium class cruisers. They can hold their own in a battle one to one, but they need heavy support against an entire enemy fleet unless they can swarm them and are equipped with telepaths.
Two of those ships that come out of the jump at the end are Brakiri cruisers. Their design are some of my favorite on B5.
"They ran!"
"Yes, they did, Mr. Lennier."
It'll be interesting to see if they're going to update the ship designs for the reboot series. Of course I love the originals, but new takes on the Whitestar or the Shadows could be interesting.
Either way, I just hope we get a decent toy line with this show.
as long has you have your priorities straight..... 😂
I think most of the ship designs hold up. Textures could mostly go for a touch up though, especially the shadows and maybe Whitestars but even then despite being dated the Whitestars wore the skin well.
Ah, the way to beat a Shadow warship is to outnumber one 15:1 odds in your favor. You are dead meat with fair fight 1:1 odds.
Not if you have a powerful telepath aboard.
No telepath + Not a First One = dead meat against a Shadow warship
Erm.. if you're 'dead meat' in a 1:1, it's not a fair fight by definition, mate.
Just because the numbers are even, doesn't mean it's fair.
A destroyer without torps vs a battleship is also not a fair fight. An adult vs a small kid isn't either.
What a weird 'fair' definition.
@@dirdib69 Except that the Narns managed to do at least some damage without either of those things.
A good-heart Telepath :-)
I feel like ME bummed quite a bit off of B5 from a narrative point of view. There are other sci-fi properties that they clearly took from, but the whole idea of cyclical carnage and chaos throughout the Galaxy to forge a better, stronger version of sentient life really sticks out. That and how the Shadows took members of the younger races as thralls for use in their ships and/or as intermediaries as seen with Sheridan's wife, Morden, etc. Really comes off as an inspiration for the "indoctrination" aspect. I'm no big fan nor expert on ME but I've watched people play through the Legendary Edition here recently and it wasn't too long after I rewatched B5, and this struck me big time.
Yes, I know the Reapers were AI and were motivated by avoiding organic vs. synthetic conflict or whatever the contrivance there was (there was also no real rival/foil against them as with the Vorlons fighting the Shadows in B5). But the stakes were similar, and if the cycle had continued then most of the major powers would have been destroyed or rendered extinct. The survivors would have at once been celebrated by the Shadows as being stronger for enduring and guided along, nudged by the Vorlons, with some other trump card besides telepathy perhaps being devised for them on the next go-around.
But also consider how the Shadow War ended. It took a mythic figure like Sheridan who died and came back to forge an alliance of interstellar powers (many of whom did not get along), with all sorts of other intrigue going on at the same time. This was something that had happened before, but wasn't ever enough to prove that the Galaxy had moved beyond being curated by the older races until Sheridan came along. The similarities are striking and I doubt it's pure coincidence. Really a testament to how well JMS crafted a broad and engaging story on such a scale.
The creators of ME are huge B5 fans. They've admitted that the series directly inspired their game.
There was talk on some forums after ME launched that they originally wanted to make a B5 universe game, but because WB wouldn't grant any licensing they just took the B5 story then changed it enough that WB couldn't sue them. Years later I noticed that ME also contains storylines that very close to whats in the B5 novel trilogies. I didn't even pick up on that until I read them, and its a shame because I didn't get to read them until 2 years ago. The novels are meant to supplement the TV series, Crusade, and all the movies.
B5 is such a good base to steal ideas from I honestly don't blame them if they did.
@@brianwhedon8442 Didn't know they were outright about it. I only know a couple of people who are big fans and never really followed any of the forums or other resources. Makes sense, though. Real shame that WB were so tightwadded about the franchise being adapted as a game series but I suppose that allowed for a new IP that would gain broad appeal and maybe point some of its fans back to the roots.
@@The_Lucent_Archangel the late 90s was a good time for B5. There was the TV series and TV movies. There were novels co-written by JMS that are considered canon. There was a space combat computer sim in the works by Sierra. There was merchandizing, from shirts to action figures to collectable toys and model kit. Agents of Gaming had a space combat RPG game with scaled pewter minatures. But midway thru the early 2000s all that ended. It is no secret JMS wanted to always retain some control of his work, but WB owned all the rights to everything else. After the Legend of the Rangers movie failed to get picked up, WB cut ties to everything they had previously and contacted Mongoose publishing and gave them the rights to a RPG. Supposedly JMS had no say in this RPG which is why he doesn't consider any of their material canon. Well the Mongoose deal only lasted about 5 years and during this time JMS and WB were fighting. JMS wanted to do a theatrical movie (the only thing he could do that WB didn't own the rights to) and WB was fighting it. There was a compromise reached where WB and JMS settled on The Lost Tales for SciFi Channel but because of the death of a couple core actors, JMS held back on making more of TLT. And at this time the CEO of WB viewed B5 as a dead series. JMS revisited the movie idea again in the later 2000s but it fell thru. Around the time JMS was finishing the script for the movie, WB cancelled the deal with Mongoose. Since then, there has been nothing. Fast forward to 2020, and WB has a new CEO (who is a B5 fan) and JMS tells the world he's interested in doing a B5 reboot. The fans are in, the new WB is in.
Well as of 2022, there's been some reshuffling around. Networks were bought and sold, CEO's replaced. As of now, the B5 reboot is on indefinite hold.
We are back at square one.
All of those ideas have been done before Babylon 5, though. More advanced race deliberately starting conflict in order to make a younger race stronger/more prepared = Q introduces the Federation to the Borg in TNG. A cycle of destruction that periodically sweeps the galaxy = The Ur-Quan Kohr-Ah in Star Control II. Star Control II also did the thing with the enemy race using slaves from other races to fight for them, as well as an inspiring human leader uniting many different alien races to finally end the threat.
I'm sure these tropes are even older, too.
Narn cruiser to Shadow vessel - revenge is sweet!!!
Those Narn Cruisers pack a punch...
Shadows are beyond cool tho
What does it take to kill the Shadows? Just one telepath. Name of Lyta. :D
If I recall correctly, that just gets the ship to hold still. You still have to hit it really really hard.
@@dzerkle When they used the Minbari telepaths, that's right. I'm sure Lyta could tear them to pieces. :D
The Shadows never run apparently.
given how OP they were compared to everyone but the other first ones they rarely had too run
Because Shadows were never actually on these ships. Hell, these aren't even the actual Shadow ships. These are the ships that the Shadows created so that the younger races had a slim chance of survival in a fight, in order to fuel their chaos and conflict drive evolution and advancement philosophy.
@@seandlax9 the hell do you mean?
@@michelecastellotti1884 I can explain. The shadow ships shown in B5 are the weaker versions. Those aren't 'real' shadow ships, just toys pretty much. The ships flown by actual shadows would be too powerful for anyone except the Firstones. This information is from B5 wars, and books.
@@michelecastellotti1884 The Shadows don't want to straight murder everyone, they want a conflict where the stronger of the young races would emerge from the conflict even stronger, in an extreme "survival of the fittest" scenario. So the ships of theirs we see are heavily scaled down drones so that the younger races actually have a fighting chance. If they brought their true technology to bear, they'd annihilate the younger races with ease. The Shadows were a space faring race well before the Vorlons.
Forgot the one where Sheridan lured the Shadow vessel into Jupiter's gravity well, and the one where Sheridan blew up a jump-gate.
The video description says: "The fledgling Alliance of younger races use telepaths to find out what it takes to kill the Shadow."
Neither of your examples involved telepaths, and were different missions.
Starkiller is going to figure out how to beat the Shadow using tactics and mind games. It's what he does and why even the Minbari and Vorlons fear and respect him. that's not a reliable way to fight such a threat because Starkiller can't be in every ship at once.
That's not even an big shadow ships
the shadow wessel becomes free should be destroid minbari and other 3 shadows will become free. BUT in this case the series will ended😁😁😁
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All of a sudden shadow ships are useless? Hahahahaha. Up to now shadow ships were turning alliance ships into mince meat. Kind of like how Dominion ships were able turn Federation ships into swiss cheese then all of sudden DS-9 and its crews on runabouts were able to withstand Dominion attacks. Scifi shows always have plot holes and load up on plot armors.
LOL plot armor is some of the strongest material in any universe!
They took one out with a telepath and a White Star's (medium cruiser) Beam Cannon and the second with a White Star's Beam cannon and two Heavy X-ray laser cannons from the Narn G'Quan class heavy cruiser.
That is a lot of fire power into each target. Plus those shadow vessels most probably weren't Ancient Shadow Ships but Young Shadow ships (shadow vessels are organic and grow with time)
White star had a telepath, and the Minbari ship had several telepaths, all working to disrupt the shadows. They couldn't lock them up entirely like Lyta did, but still confuse them enough to make it a winnable fight.
There's a thing called adaptation.
Tanks and Aircraft used to be ridiculously OP during the first world war, but nowadays we can easily take them out with all the knowledge passed on. Now that the characters know what the Shadows were, they exploited their weaknesses.
This was an upgrade war. The Shadows haven't upgraded their stuff for at least 1,000 years while the allies got 1,000 years of upgrades "overnight." Also they had a psy onboard which was shutting down the Shadows ability to track and move.
Bloopers for this scene were great. ruclips.net/video/nhN3Bkynut8/видео.htmlsi=9nit2tEgTMX2kFas&t=400
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Has to be one of the worst space battles I have ever seen. The shadow ships suddently stop instantly, they woblle and doesn't retaliate. The other ships defy every physics law there is.
Are you just not aware of the context of the scene? They were testing the effects of telepaths on the Shadow vessels. Each shadow ship has a person(or alien) inside hardwired to the ship itself, working as the central processor. Them suddenly stopping is the result of telepathic interference.
The crabs control system was being completely fcked with by the psychics that are on the field. Lyta cannot immobilize the one chasing them but she can still interrupt it some. Shadow engine tech is unknown that I'm aware. I do remember there being commentary about the crabs diverting power from the drive systems to the shielding when under heavy fire causing them to seemingly stop moving.
Personally I blame the difficulty of rendering newtonian style shots involving such large complex objects. They did a good job with the star furies though.
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