@@Scrinwaipwr that depends upon perspective. However, my point was that just because one group of people do something does not provide the justification for a different group of people doing the same thing.
@@Aussie_LeftistAmerica became a different country with the election of Reagan. Corruption is thick everywhere and justification for greed became a religion of its own
What the hell advice can Labour strategists give Harris? "Wait for 50% of Republican voters not to show up to vote, and win by default with less votes than your predecessor got"? Hardly a winning strategy for her.
His point is that the Labour Party is alleged to have violated US Federal election law, and Sofia Patel, head of operations at Labour, made the admission on LinkedIn 🤣
I'm not sure I entirely agree. I think it individualise the problem. If you just penalise the individual then you lose momentum to change the system. I'm a big advocate of changing the system over the individual. I also think the argument could be extended to medical professionals. Should a medical professional be liable if they follow the recommended treatment and a patient dies as a result of that. Should we not change the recommended treatment process over penalising the person?
@@emilyfowler1890The United Kingdom needs to work towards police abolition & never let law enforcement unions (not labor unions, more like criminal cabals) evolve to become like the “police benevolent associations“ that are the PR/legal branch of the United States organized crime called Law Enforcement Agencies.
Well the training has to be in accordance with the law in the first place. And you have to take into account the nature of the job. No other job requires you to kill in a split second decision like this..... You haven't made as much of a revelation as you think you have....
not since tony benn, and defintely not since starmer took over and purged the party of any left wing sentiment other than the token caricature to shift the blame onto
It might not be a new phenomenon but it certainly seems unfortunate to me that there exist Labour Party members that politically feel sufficiently aligned with the US Democrats to do this.
I really cant take those women's words seriously when that guy was a full fledged demon, and they no doubt knew it. Justice?! Where is the justice for all his victims? People need to stop this nonsense.
‘Full- fledged demon’ -with that kind of dehumanisation you can easily justify extrajudicial killing. I guess you think the justice system should be thrown away for some folks; to me that stops it from being a justice system
Yes, he was a victim, but he was also part of the problem. it went to court and the jury made the decision! How much pain comes from the gangs? Member could choose to be part of the solution and stop their behaviour.
Moral of the story is, when you're an unpopular prime minister, party and more useless than Rishi Sunak on a basketball court, maybe its best to stay out of foreign affairs. Common sense is a wonderful thing, but seriously lacking in Labour.
they DID stay out of it, tha'ts the issue labour activists did this on their own time and money as usual the media goes ''hurr durr labour bad', sheep jump' and the sheep fly off the ground people just ignore the truth and accept the easy narrative paid for by billioniares and tory cronies on the BBC board of directors
Having to wait until the last five minutes of the hour to hear from Helena is a bit ridiculous. I'd like to have heard from her about the election interference accusations against Labour by Trump for example.
And Kier Starmer Labour has not long ago amended the Eisenhower-era 1958 Mutual Defence Agreement (MDA) that Britain’s nuclear weapons are now forever reliant on US military scientists.
Fundamentally, UK political staff shouldn't be campaigning for US parties in US elections. If it's non-partisan, then why aren't they also assisting the Trump campaign? All it does is prove we are a 51st State.
Piers Morgan a British citizen is openly campaigning for Trump. Despite what he says! Piers Morgan has a platform that reaches millions of people that he could potentially influence!
The BBC Home affairs editor Mark Easton said on Monday night that the jury decided that the police officer was guilty of nothing more than doing his best under difficult circumstances. That is a complete misrepresentation of what the jury decided. All they decided is that the evidence did not prove beyond reasonable doubt that he was guilty of murder.
Public opinion has very clearly shown that they are completely behind the Police in this case. Bar the usual suspects on the left whining and moaning of course.
So glad michael pushed back against Francesca, I feel like she just said whatever talking point she could with 0 depth. The guy was ramming them with his car and had many opportunities to stop and get out and chose not to.
Like wise glad micheal pushed back. I disagree with the shooting from the video footage of the ramming. I agree there was no direct threat. However I did find Francessca seemed to just take an anti police line. And anominity until proven guilty seems like an obvious route given the position police are in.
agreed. Ultimately the jury said not guilty. It was their decision to make, not hers, unless she's saying eg police held back evidence etc. Respect the jury
For me the shooting part of the Kaba incident is only a part of the issue. The really critical question that still hasn't be clearly answered for me, is was the hard stop necessary there and then? Knowing what they knew about the car (suspected of a firearms incident), the police would have to assume there is a significant chance that the driver would be armed (even though he wasn't in reality) and volatile. The hard stop took place in a very tight residential street. Was that in the public interest? Was public safety considered at all? Say the driver was armed and started firing? Bullets could end up going through front doors and in living rooms and bedrooms. What was so critical for it to happen there and then? Was there the option to follow the car to see if a potentially less dangerous option for intervention presented itself? That decision to hard stop rapidly escalated the situation into a zero sum game for all involved, directly leading to Kaba being shot dead. You have to feel like there was another way out.
On one hand you have the police. On the other hand the family of a repeat very violent career criminal. Yeah a balanced view point. The jury made the right decision.
The real decision is what is the priority? protecting the public including the man shot outside the nightclub by kaba or protecting violent thugs like kaba.
Big Brother! No disrespect, but as I'm sure as much as that point was relevant to her in some manner, that was one weak (I'm being polite) comparison. And yes, Trump is full of beep, but Big Brother...
It's clear he's in place to maintain the two party status quo. That entails looking bad enough, so people to be lead back to the conservatives in a few years.
I wonder if there's a single topic Novara could cover that wouldn't have their commentators blaming Israel in the comments? 😂 The stench of antisemitism on this channel is vile.
Unbelievable that this policeman got away with a murder and so many justifications coming in for what he did.. the guy was shot at intentionally and he was unarmed
The UK needs to stay out of our elections. I love that Trump started out the letter that way. It is clear the British haven't stopped meddling in our country seems we gained independence from it. I guess since you're British, you don't get it.
he held the legal woman to account. She had an angle beyond respecting process. That's all fine, but it does need holding. MW did that well. Indeed, referring to his colour, and not the issues themselves, is racist.
Kaba and his associates have killed far more black people than Martin Blake, and for much shittier reasons. Why are you so desperate to defend the most violent and predatory people from your community?
I disagree. That’s a horseshoe argument, not taking white privilege into account. You can’t use ‘both sides’ arguments in defence of a power imbalance. Besides which I don’t agree she had ‘an angle’ - she had an argument which she put clearly and dispassionately, whereas Michael’s pearl-clutching in defence of the police, misinterpreting her words and talking over her was embarrassing,. That’s not ‘holding her to account’. She wasn’t disrespecting or questioning the jury’s decision, she was explaining - rightly, IMO - why police should be just as accountable as anyone else.
Farage and Truss are in America supporting Trump.
@@DK72-341 two wrongs don’t make a right
Is it wrong then? How is it wrong on either count?@nickthepostpunk5766
@@nickthepostpunk5766 are they wrongs though?
(Beyond the issue of Farage neglecting his job as an MP.)
@@Scrinwaipwr that depends upon perspective. However, my point was that just because one group of people do something does not provide the justification for a different group of people doing the same thing.
@@nickthepostpunk5766 it does when the complainant is supportive of the first group doing it.
How dare uk government interfere only Israel are allowed to do this
The Americans made it clear they wouldn't have Corbyn as our prime minister.
"American political and business elite". The people would have wanted Corbyn.
"American political and business elite". The people would have wanted Corbyn.
@@Aussie_LeftistAmerica became a different country with the election of Reagan. Corruption is thick everywhere and justification for greed became a religion of its own
@@Victoria-Enzulaneoliberalism...along with Thatcher.
@@Aussie_LeftistThe Americans wouldn’t want Corbyn, they don’t understand socialism. America is all about making wealth for self.
What the hell advice can Labour strategists give Harris?
"Wait for 50% of Republican voters not to show up to vote, and win by default with less votes than your predecessor got"?
Hardly a winning strategy for her.
@suny 20% of the electorate voted for them...so 80% can rightly say this shower has nothing to do with us!😊
Absolutely!
One thing you cannot deny about the GE2024 win for Labour is that it was strategically brilliant, wether you like their politics or not.
Could that be their one highlight?
@@Sam.o.29 I can deny that. A drunken mole could have walked into that landslide.
So uk cannot influence, but Israel can 🤣🤣🤣
TBF Israel has a lot more money to slosh about than the UK...
It’s not the UK, it’s the Labour Party.
The US does not want to be Islamic like Londonistan
@@thepeadairand your point is?
His point is that the Labour Party is alleged to have violated US Federal election law, and Sofia Patel, head of operations at Labour, made the admission on LinkedIn 🤣
If cops aren't held to the standard of the law, only to their training, then their training in effect becomes the law. I don't think that is right.
That’s a good point honestly
I'm not sure I entirely agree. I think it individualise the problem. If you just penalise the individual then you lose momentum to change the system. I'm a big advocate of changing the system over the individual. I also think the argument could be extended to medical professionals. Should a medical professional be liable if they follow the recommended treatment and a patient dies as a result of that. Should we not change the recommended treatment process over penalising the person?
@@emilyfowler1890The United Kingdom needs to work towards police abolition & never let law enforcement unions (not labor unions, more like criminal cabals) evolve to become like the “police benevolent associations“ that are the PR/legal branch of the United States organized crime called Law Enforcement Agencies.
Well the training has to be in accordance with the law in the first place. And you have to take into account the nature of the job. No other job requires you to kill in a split second decision like this.....
You haven't made as much of a revelation as you think you have....
@@merbst No the UK shouldn't work towards police abolition, you will always need them.
The Labour Party may be many things .....but left wing?
not since tony benn, and defintely not since starmer took over and purged the party of any left wing sentiment other than the token caricature to shift the blame onto
Labour need to work for their constituency. Sort out the UK. Doubt anyone gives a fuck about Starner in the US.
So the two countries have something in common!😊
80% of the UK feel the same!😊
As an American, I see him as a young Joe Biden.
💯💯💯
David Lammey? Clown show
Trouble is he ran away from the circus!
It might not be a new phenomenon but it certainly seems unfortunate to me that there exist Labour Party members that politically feel sufficiently aligned with the US Democrats to do this.
When he was last president didn't ring into Farage show and tell people not to vote for Corbyn back in 2019 isn't that election interfering?
No because America can do whatever they want. And the cringe is taking place in the UK not America
Labour Friends of Israel paying for it?
He accused them of being "far left", which I found more shocking! 😂
Just goes to show he doesn’t understand political language at all.
Labour have pretty much disappointed in everything they've said or done at the moment, a real PR disaster.
I really cant take those women's words seriously when that guy was a full fledged demon, and they no doubt knew it. Justice?! Where is the justice for all his victims? People need to stop this nonsense.
‘Full- fledged demon’ -with that kind of dehumanisation you can easily justify extrajudicial killing. I guess you think the justice system should be thrown away for some folks; to me that stops it from being a justice system
Every accusation is a confession when it comes from trump.
And IsNotreal/IOF
Thank you all for your sane channel, and not forgetting the work.
Man that lawyer was embarrassing to listen to
Novara is doing itself a disservice having her on. Makes the left position look completely out of touch and insane.
@@SherkriekMichael pushed back on it very well though
May be Ashworth is advising harris how to lose elections
Yes, he was a victim, but he was also part of the problem. it went to court and the jury made the decision! How much pain comes from the gangs? Member could choose to be part of the solution and stop their behaviour.
Moral of the story is, when you're an unpopular prime minister, party and more useless than Rishi Sunak on a basketball court, maybe its best to stay out of foreign affairs. Common sense is a wonderful thing, but seriously lacking in Labour.
they DID stay out of it, tha'ts the issue
labour activists did this on their own time and money
as usual the media goes ''hurr durr labour bad', sheep jump' and the sheep fly off the ground
people just ignore the truth and accept the easy narrative paid for by billioniares and tory cronies on the BBC board of directors
Having to wait until the last five minutes of the hour to hear from Helena is a bit ridiculous. I'd like to have heard from her about the election interference accusations against Labour by Trump for example.
People going door to door campaigning for a presidential candidate is totally normal, as long as it’s your own country. Gimme a break.
Well done to Michael to holding that legal guest to account.
Agreed, I'm not sure I've heard him interrupt a guest kike that before but it really did need doing
32:13 They haven’t interfered with the defendant’s right to privacy, they’ve interfered with his right to life.
Are those MPS meant to be helping their consistency?
And Kier Starmer Labour has not long ago amended the Eisenhower-era 1958 Mutual Defence Agreement (MDA) that Britain’s nuclear weapons are now forever reliant on US military scientists.
We pay for them they fire them. Can we really be called a nuclear power?
if anything labour would help republicans
Fundamentally, UK political staff shouldn't be campaigning for US parties in US elections. If it's non-partisan, then why aren't they also assisting the Trump campaign? All it does is prove we are a 51st State.
Piers Morgan a British citizen is openly campaigning for Trump. Despite what he says! Piers Morgan has a platform that reaches millions of people that he could potentially influence!
South Africans shouldn't be paying Trump voters either lol
@@keithgupton9349is he a tory party member?
The BBC Home affairs editor Mark Easton said on Monday night that the jury decided that the police officer was guilty of nothing more than doing his best under difficult circumstances. That is a complete misrepresentation of what the jury decided. All they decided is that the evidence did not prove beyond reasonable doubt that he was guilty of murder.
Public opinion has very clearly shown that they are completely behind the Police in this case. Bar the usual suspects on the left whining and moaning of course.
If Russia sent some activists to the UK to ‘leaflet’ homes about politics just before an election what would we call it ????
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black
He acuses what he is guilty of
Need ubi or adjacent solution to distribute surplus value of mechanized industry.
So glad michael pushed back against Francesca, I feel like she just said whatever talking point she could with 0 depth. The guy was ramming them with his car and had many opportunities to stop and get out and chose not to.
Like wise glad micheal pushed back. I disagree with the shooting from the video footage of the ramming. I agree there was no direct threat. However I did find Francessca seemed to just take an anti police line. And anominity until proven guilty seems like an obvious route given the position police are in.
agreed. Ultimately the jury said not guilty. It was their decision to make, not hers, unless she's saying eg police held back evidence etc. Respect the jury
@@jackoh991 OJ
@@gamerknown okay fair point.
For me the shooting part of the Kaba incident is only a part of the issue. The really critical question that still hasn't be clearly answered for me, is was the hard stop necessary there and then? Knowing what they knew about the car (suspected of a firearms incident), the police would have to assume there is a significant chance that the driver would be armed (even though he wasn't in reality) and volatile. The hard stop took place in a very tight residential street. Was that in the public interest? Was public safety considered at all? Say the driver was armed and started firing? Bullets could end up going through front doors and in living rooms and bedrooms. What was so critical for it to happen there and then? Was there the option to follow the car to see if a potentially less dangerous option for intervention presented itself? That decision to hard stop rapidly escalated the situation into a zero sum game for all involved, directly leading to Kaba being shot dead. You have to feel like there was another way out.
When the commentator says that the person was unarmed, there is such a concept in law called VAW, vehicle as a weapon.
On one hand you have the police.
On the other hand the family of a repeat very violent career criminal.
Yeah a balanced view point.
The jury made the right decision.
Good campaign move
The real decision is what is the priority? protecting the public including the man shot outside the nightclub by kaba or protecting violent thugs like kaba.
Big Brother! No disrespect, but as I'm sure as much as that point was relevant to her in some manner, that was one weak (I'm being polite) comparison. And yes, Trump is full of beep, but Big Brother...
Ricky Jones, out on bail, who'd of thought it🤔.
What do uk politicians even know about messaging in us politics?
Is Starmer trying to scuttle the Labour party for his masters ?
yes
There is no Labour Party. It’s the capital party.
It's clear he's in place to maintain the two party status quo. That entails looking bad enough, so people to be lead back to the conservatives in a few years.
I wonder if there's a single topic Novara could cover that wouldn't have their commentators blaming Israel in the comments? 😂 The stench of antisemitism on this channel is vile.
Loving Mark Rowley's spinning hat.
Did Flynn really say bollocks?
May be keir stammer is getting donations from democrat party of US
no party by that name in the U.S
LOL, Brits spewing "Labour" advice to Latinos in Az - Trump they understand ...
i need more ewan on the show
They may have gained independence, but in a way we still own them
WTF! You throw your own under the bus; you can't make Trump an enemy...get it together
Jesus Christ…has mr walker grown a pair ….
What do you mean?
@@Tricia_Kholding the legal guest to account
@@jackjude@novara. Progressive media 🤡
@@michaelbadu8388 regressive media (spastic "news")🤡🤡🤡
Curious as your talking us election/israli lives. Whats your take on Hassan now? I still think he is a muppet.
An armed what?
Britain is a speck on America's backside, only it's historic status as the former colonial power gives it any relevance.
It’s situation within Europe and the EU is what gives it relevance to the Americans.
Hola just going to listen
There was no threat to the officer or his colleagues? A man ramming his vehicle isn't a threat?
🤠❤️💚
The Hill - Inside the secret plan to destroy X and elect Kamala Harris by Paul Thacker
Hope so. It's that or fascist rule.
The hill ffs.
Unbelievable that this policeman got away with a murder and so many justifications coming in for what he did.. the guy was shot at intentionally and he was unarmed
A gangbanger using his car as a weapon? Are you for real.
The guy was a career criminal and had only a few days before tried to murder someone.
A long history of crime and violence .
The UK needs to stay out of our elections. I love that Trump started out the letter that way. It is clear the British haven't stopped meddling in our country seems we gained independence from it. I guess since you're British, you don't get it.
Trump wasn’t so averse to British involvement when he put Nigel Farage on the stage at one of his rallies.
could not agree more
Israel runs your country dear through AIPAC and oligarch donors like Miriam Adelson and the ever odious Musk!
You need to get out more!
You obviously have never heard of AIPAC 😂
Fml an American complaining about meddling in other countries affairs 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Jesus, Michael’s handling of the Kaba story. Whiteness beaming through.
Agreed, terrible. Expected better from Michael/NM on this.
What is whiteness?
he held the legal woman to account. She had an angle beyond respecting process. That's all fine, but it does need holding. MW did that well.
Indeed, referring to his colour, and not the issues themselves, is racist.
Kaba and his associates have killed far more black people than Martin Blake, and for much shittier reasons. Why are you so desperate to defend the most violent and predatory people from your community?
I disagree. That’s a horseshoe argument, not taking white privilege into account. You can’t use ‘both sides’ arguments in defence of a power imbalance. Besides which I don’t agree she had ‘an angle’ - she had an argument which she put clearly and dispassionately, whereas Michael’s pearl-clutching in defence of the police, misinterpreting her words and talking over her was embarrassing,. That’s not ‘holding her to account’. She wasn’t disrespecting or questioning the jury’s decision, she was explaining - rightly, IMO - why police should be just as accountable as anyone else.
Michael are you ok? your face looks swollen
that's just you