Buffy the Vampire Slayer • TPN's Extended Movie Review
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- My extended review of the movie that started it all.
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Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Myth, Metaphor & Morality
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To take Buffy's analogy from the end of S7:
The movie is cookie dough, not quite ready. The series is actual cookies,
The movie is putting sardines in the cookie dough which means it could never be good.
@@albertcornett7408 oh lighten up
Have we considered the possibility that Seth Green is, in fact, a vampire?
Then the werewolf thing is just a phase. A phase, get it? Get it? Get...... ok, that was lame
tsukigalleta,
You owned the lameness of your joke, and thereby restored yourself to a state of non-lameness.
I laughed too hard at that
He certainly seems to by immortal.
tsukigalleta HAHAHHAHA hahhahaha holy shit
I like how the more Buffy begins to dislike her Jock boyfriend and Clueless friends she starts dressing like a member of Pearl Jam. Gotta love the 90s
Every time I see Donald Sutherland in an interview for the _Hunger Games_ describing how much he can relate to his character, Coriolanus Snow, I’m reminded of what it must have been like for Joss to work with him as I laugh, half nodding, half shaking my head, in agreement with the statements he makes emphasizing his emotional compatibility with a ruthless, greedy, and villainous dictator 🧐
The irony when it was revealed the roles were actually reversed, and Joss Whedon has been outed as an enormous monster who bullied and harassed his staff, delighted in making them cry, physically assaulting them or trying to milestone them when they were still minors.
'The Gift' music starts playing - DAMN YOUUUUUU!!!
OMG Seth Green was in this movie I never knew that. That is one reason right there why it was great that you reviewed this movie
Paul Reubens' death scene actually had me confused as to whether he was actually dying or if for some reason the stake didn't affect him similarly to how the fire didn't affect Lothos and he was just taunting Buffy and was gonna get right back up and attack her or something.
Also, Buffy being superior to other slayers because she's different kind of falls apart when the only difference (her keen fashion sense) doesn't even help her much. Like Lothos just shakes off the flames and continues his rampage and that's it. Still, I found the movie to be kind of enjoyable despite how cheesy and campy it was.
Okay, I saw this movie in a theater when I was in college because I loved the West Coast, "Valley Girl" culture, as well as hyperviolent, preternatural stuff, so I figured this movie was right up my alley: "Buffy," obviously a Malibu Beach-crawling mallrat slaying bloodsucking vampires? I was in. Keep in mind, at this point, we'd had a couple of pretentious Anne Rice vamp flicks - not to mention the mystical anchor that was 'Bram Stoker's Dracula' - and way too many teen sex romps. This seemed like a delightful send-off of the two genres, plus a non-Peewee Herman Paul Reubens - interesting! I went to this movie expecting a clever pop-culture parody, and what I got was a somewhat compelling story that couldn't seem to figure out if it was serious, ironic, or outright parodic.
The California Girl stuff - which I'd emulated, though I'm not from Cali - was over-the-top campy, yet her relationship to her Watcher seemed to be reaching for some deep emotions without connecting (your revelations of Donald Sutherland's attitude during filming sheds much light on this), namely, the moment when he tells Buffy that she is not like previous Slayers, but is "extraordinary," has stuck with me years later for both its emotional weight and creepiness. I agree with your assessment of Rutger Hauer's performance, completely - it seemed like it had been edited in from a different movie.
Overall, however, my number-one take-away from the movie was how I liked it during the prom scene when Buffy put on running shoes and a leather jacket with her fluffy, frilly prom dress, because in that moment, she reminded me of one of my very first action heroes, Princess Leia from Star Wars, who wore the lovely dress with kick-ass boots and could fire a blaster rifle as well as any boy or man around her. I think that was why the movie, with all of its flaws, wasn't able to turn me away from the TV series: the 6-year-old girl in me finally found another Princess Leia.
Oh, and when I referred to 'Bram Stoker's Dracula' as an anchor, above, I didn't mean in a good way, I meant that it was a terrible weight that dragged the genre into stupid darkness and we're still trying to dig our way out of it. 'Twilight' is another one. "He's a bloodthirsty killing machine, but he won't hurt me because my love will save him." REALLY?! Is that all that vampires can be? Magical domestic abusers?
Interesting to note little things that made it in to the first 2 seasons from this movie. Lothos' 'Close you Eyes', and the white prom dress with her boyfriend's jacket went into Prophecy Girl
I like the ridiculous death scene of Paul Reuben! It's an utterly inane and incongruous element. Like a brilliant peacock feather duck taped onto an armadillo.
"Like a brilliant peacock feather duck taped onto an armadillo."
Great idea! I'm gonna do it!
How do you tape with a duck?
What an apt analogy
EXACTLY
@@BubbaSmurft Use duke tape.
The idea that Buffy's strength is her ties to the world resonates better with family and friends rather than fashion. A hero with a meaningful life is better than the solitary hero.
I think Star Wars was (at some point) trying to make the same point, that the Jedi were wrong for their monk-like lifestyle. My understanding of "bringing balance to the Force" is reflected in Luke having friends, a community, something to fight for.
The " right" vs " good" dichotomy you touched on here is really getting close to the heart of the show, which is that Buffy is an altruist. Whether it's defending Dawn in season5 or defending Spike in season7 she absolutely refuses to compromise about being good. And a show about the power of altruism will be forever relevant.
Every time I hear The Sacrifice, my eyes instantly fill with tears.
So much gorgeous original music from this show. The Sacrifice, arguably, is the best of them all. It's so achingly simple and sad and hopeful.
Lol great video but the thing that made me smile the most was hearing that the guide was coming back in a couple of weeks Xd
JOY.
Agreed.
I never thought Spike's lines in "Fool for love" could have any sexual connotation, but it makes all the sense when one of the first things he said after actually having sex with Buffy was "I knew it, I knew the only thing better than killing a slayer would be (f*cking one)".
Great review, Ian!
It also adds up because she is suicidal is season 6 and then spike learns that he can physically harm her. The response is sex and violence being merged together.
Wow! You're right!
I've never seen that either, but now that Ian's brought it up, it's all I CAN see.
I saw it right off, but I think by the time I watched it I had spoiled myself about the fact that they have a thing later, so it may have been because of that. His lines in School Hard where really sexual though, not to mention the way he moved when fighting the second slayer. It wasn't a hard leap to make for me.
I LOVE the Buffy origin comic, it's so underrated and Pike actually was a pretty good love interest.
All these Buffy scenes made me tear up... especially the ones from "The Gift"...
God, i really should rewatch this show.
Even though i finished rewatching it a week ago.
Buffy the Vampire Slayer was one of my favorite movies as a kid. I watched it all the time. I remember in 6th grade my friend coming up to me and going "Are you going to watch the BtVS tv show? I know how much you love that movie!" And of course I watched the show from the beginning and loved it. I see the two as two separate entities and I love them both for different reasons.
I saw the film when it was released, and because of it, I didn't give the series a chance until season six. I then went back and watched the entire series. I just couldn't believe (and still can't) that such an awesome show came from such schlocky beginnings.
I saw this movie when I was in Kindergarten, so you can imagine the affect it had on me. Needless to say it was my favorite movie until the show came around. So seeing it first might have been an advantage. I had no bias. Still one of my favorite movies of all time.
BTW. I'm glad to hear you might be coming back. Been a fan since the beginning. I won't be going anywhere.
I believe that helps. I also saw the movie before the show came out and I think that's why I like it.
Ditto. I was movie buffy for Halloween as a kid, I had the worst crush on luke Perry. I was thrilled when I heard the show was coming out, it was instantly my favourite show.
But I love camp. I love the lame movie jokes, "kill him...kill him a lot." I love the never-ending death scene.
The only thing I didn't like was the super creepy watcher, I was convinced he was a bad guy. Donald was awful.
Movie first for me as well. Looks like for most who did are much more forgiving of the movie. I honestly didn’t think it was bad at all. Kristy Swanson and Paul Reubens made the movie.
Yep, that was my experience too. Combined with the fact that for some reason both the film and later the early seasons of the series (which started airing in my country around 1999, when I was 13-14) would always be on late at night on the randomest, often regional, TV channels, my perception of Buffy the Vampire Slayer was that of an elusive and almost magnetically charming story, with a most badass heroine who I'd like to identify with, that I always only caught glimpses of. It took almost 10 years and the advent of fast internet for me to discover the TV series fully and completely fall in love with it.
That music! Why?! I thought I'd be safe from tears in a review of the movie but nooooo, still gotta break my heart.
"Something Blue" and "Hero"
Wait, WHAT??!!? f They've not killed your channel yet?!? Good on ya! I'm quite pleased about it and look forward tae seeing more from one of my favourite reviewers.
Looking forward to him continuing his reviews. I guess he won against the copyrighting claims, or whatever he was having trouble with. Fair Use and all that...
Probably related to H3H3 Productions' big win in court last month. Now he has same legal precedent to stand on regarding RUclips copyright strikes.
Spike met Kendra in What's my line as well, so that would make 4 slayers wouldn't it? Anyway, great to see another Buffy review!
I 100% agree with you on the part about Kristy Swanson by far is the best part of the movie. I haven't seen it since it first came out on VHS but I do remember really liking Kristy Swanson and the character of Buffy. And when I finally got around to watching the TV series ( I didn't start the show till it was long off the air ) I remember thinking as I watched the first episode that Sarah was doing a good imitation of the Swanson's character. Of course, Sarah took the character and made it her own very quickly and the character of Buffy herself changed as the events of the show dictated, but I will always be fond of Swanson's version too.
Marick: You will be able to use this to track the vampires.
Buffy: There's one.
Giles: But, but you didn't *hone*.
So Buffy getting cramps in this movie is like their version of spider-sense? Pffffhahahaha! XD This movie’s really somethin’
I think it was a great idea at the time, specially considering that anything related to women's menstruation always had and still has stigmas and bad connotations. In the very last episode of the show, Buffy, Faith and all the potentials open the seal bleeding together over it. Joss said he was representing their menstruation
tsukigalleta That was more symbolic though, so it was more subtle, here it’s literal and more obvious, which makes it more hilariously bad.
Thrilled to watch this review, but mostly loved your digression into the show and a little mini-review of Fool for Love. We haven't had much Spike in your reviews and I love his arc! Looking forward to Something Blue.
YES! Glas to hear you're bringing back the guides! :D
Well there was an itch that has just been scratched. Over the last month I have been rewatching your previous reviews. I have always loved watching a Buffy episode just after its review and seeing if it has changed because of your review. Oh how I have missed them. So glad they are coming back, can not wait.
This movie is what you have called, "a candy episode" for me. I know it has it's flaws and the show is superior, but I love it.
The soundtrack to this movie is one of my favorite movie soundtracks.
It’s biggest flaw is that overall it’s a crap movie.
Ahhh!!! OMG!!! I just screamed out loud when you said u were back doing Buffy videos in a few weeks! I'm soooooooo excited!! Thank you!!! So glad you are back!
Glad i watched the making of it. Got to see your work go all out. Keep up your great videos and ready to see the return of your buffy and angel videos
Gosh, that analysis of `The Gift` left me traumatized...
All in all, great review, as usual! I love how you picked the movie apart and recognized it's flaws in an almost unbiased way. It's refreshing to start a morning with a new piece of your reviews!
I always think it would’ve been nice to see Buffy before the show with the same cast we had in the show and a better script!
Jon Agreed!
Me too, but I know for sure that Sarah Michelle Gellar (TV Buffy) was 20-ish in 1997 so she would've been actually 15 in the movie, and probably not only wouldn't have looked like the Buffy we know but also, the scenes with Angel would've been even worse with Sarah Michelle Gellar actually being 15... Yeah, no. Besides, the Show references the movie all the time from what I recall
Donald Sutherland is a great actor but this is not his best moment.
You can tell he wanders around the whole time wondering "How the f*** did I get roped into this?"
Thank you for helping me realize that even a couple of notes from 'Sacrifice' can make me cry. I haven't bothered to watch the movie for the same reasons. I wouldn't be able to stop thinking of the wasted potential.
Yes, I'm so glad you're back! I haven't even watched the video yet, just saw you posted this review and I'm so happy.
YOU'RE COMING BACK OHMAGAWD
Sorry just cant get through my last year of college without these guides,I swear
I'm looking forward to your take on "Something Blue." It has always struck me as a crucial episode, reversing Marx's observation that history repeats itself "first as tragedy, then as farce," because here is the farce that foreshadows the tragedy at the end of Season 6. I have never been able to watch the last four continuous episodes of Season 6 without thinking of "Something Blue," and saying to myself "We should have seen it coming."
Glad to see a new video from you!
So happy to see a new video from you!
i had checked out of this channel for a while, since it was having so many issues with videos getting flagged. I'm just delighted that you are back in business. I've missed you!!!
A huge Hug from Chile, I love your videos especially Buffy, im really happy you are continuing them
Having seen the making of live stream of this video I appreciate this even more than I would anyway.
Awesome you're back! Can't wait for mooore Guide! :D Thanks!
Great review man, I look forward to the return of the Buffy Guide reviews. James :-)
I really missed your reviews. It's been awhile since I've seen this movie, so I forgot a lot about it, but the OG Buffy seems really good actually! I'm a bit surprised about that.
I never watched this movie, but it’s hilarious to watch your analysis. It really feels like Season 1. But hey, I love camp.
Btw, you might see me on a ship next time I comment on this channel.
I'd say the main reason why the movie is struggling is that it's in the middle of the shift between the traditinal 80's storytelling and the emerging countermovement to it. In a sense the Angel episode "Lonely Heart" refers quite a lot to the Buffy movie. Having a very conventional enemy in a very conventional setting (even referred to as terminally in the 80's), the episode even introduces Kate as the traditional police connection to the detective and their strained relationship...
The saving grace for the movie IMO is Kristy Swanson who performs quite well despite all the Karate Kid stuff, also "Party With The Animals" is one of my favourite Ozzy songs so the movie holds a special place for me.
When I knew you were doing this I thought "okay, it's time to see the movie" to see your review afterwards and, god, it was terrible. I didn't have very hight expectations but I really had a hard time going through it, I was just bored and I couldn't understand the script... why does Merric have to get himself killed again? Why didn't the vampires kill Buffy when they have a chance? Maybe this is just problem that I have because of the language but it honestly feels more like the movie is very messed up. The only thing I expected Buffy to do is to burn the gym down and she didn't... very disappointing.
Once again, thanks a lot for your review. I feel very glad to know that Wheedon was pissed because of the directing and that the script wasn't like this, it's a relief.
I am looking foward to see the new guide videos, I really miss them!
I just realized how often you go to the season five finale for that emotional ending, IT'S SO GOOD. Gosh darned it.
I can't tell you how thrilled I am to hear that you are making more guides!! Congrats on another great video!
Yes!! Cannot wait for your reviews to start again.
My nostalgia is completely severed from my recognition of this film's flaws, so your (spot-on) review did not damage it at all. I do however think there is something to be said for the now-eroded charms that resonated within the film's particular moment that, though past, has stayed with me. I was ten or younger when I saw this movie on TV and, for a young girl, there was nothing like it going on at the time. The two things that made it stand out, namely the female superhero and the comedy horror take on it, felt linked to me (though of course these two elements have appeared unattached to each other in other films). I felt strongly that Buffy's stock 90s femininity, as you call it, was being used as a platform to critique horror and the comic-book superhero genre, not to tear it down necessarily, but to open up a new view on it. Some of the significations are problematic, and it quickly deflates into campy humour, but at the time it felt like there was something there, a new vantage point that was deeply exciting. I did wish, even then, that it had taken itself more seriously and was better developed, and to my lasting delight, I got my wish a few years later in the form of the series.
I also think it would be interesting to look at how both the film and the series suffer and succeed in relation to the generation transition that was going on at the time (teenage Xers giving way to the first wave of teen Millennials).
I would like your reading of the idea, that the image of Buffy pulling on the leather jacket over her white prom dress was copied exactly in the tv series season 1 finale (it's how I read it). It's not the jacket that Angel gave her in a previous episode, but the parallels between Angel and Pike and the link between this prop and the memorable scene where Angel gives her the jacket seem too obvious to me to not suggest an adaptation of some of the meanings at work in the Kristy Swanson scene, which, by the way, was a scene I loved as a kid.
Finally: "You're floating! C'mon get away from here!" How do you not find that hilarious? :-)
hahahaha, i loved how you pointed Seth Green!!! XD
The Buffy Guide is coming back???!?!?!?? I have the biggest grin on my face right now. I knew it was a great time to start rewatching the show,
It's been too long, friend :) Welcome back!
Well done
And very excited the episode guides are coming back!!!
the comic book version of this story in Buffy Omnibus vol. 1 is incredible. I love that we got to see what Buffy did before coming to Sunnydale in those comics. Absolutely glorious.
I Love your Buffy Videos im so excited when the Buffy guide is Coming back
I totally agree with you about the one thing that I am appreciative of this movie. It gave us the series.
It's good to know that if Fox ever did sue you for the guides there is legal precedent for you to win now. Of course they probably won't ever sue you since they got that nice loophole going. That is assuming that that's still an issue. Regardless I am happy to hear you got some more videos still in the works.
Great review. I'm impressed, and the thoughts you expressed seemed to mirror my own feelings that I didn't know how to go about expressing about this movie. I too watched it years after I established myself as a huuuge buffy fan, fan of the series that is. Thanks for another great video !
So glad I watched the movie. When I bought the BoxSet for Season 1, Joss mentioned in his Audio Commentary for Welcome To The Hellmouth that the TV show did, to some extent, follow on from the film. So I stopped watching the DVDs until I watched the movie, then I restarted by rewatching WTTH again. So glad I did, as this made Normal Again the most psychologically scary thing I've ever seen.
Please review the 20 minutes Presentation. :)
You managed to sum up why I LOVE the Season 5 finale but feel so uneasy about the Season 7 finale. "Good vs. Right."
To me, Buffy's actions in The Gift were full of love. Seemingly irrational but almost as if she understood something very few Slayers ever have. That she's still a person at the end of the day. And, while the mission still matters, you have to stop and ask yourself "What's the point of it all if not for the sake of loving what you're fighting for..."
Meanwhile, Chosen (and most of the latter half of Season 7) felt like Buffy was completely succumbing to her duty and putting the mission before the point of the mission. The way she acted and reacted was all for the sake of goodness...but was it right? And, finally (while debatable for some), Buffy did the most horrible thing of all. Something worse than even the Shadowmen did to Sineya. She forced Called every Potential in the world for the sake of one battle. Was this act something good to counteract the First Evil? Yes. But, was it at all right to remove choice of becoming a human sacrifice from countless girls just as so many before her weren't given the choice.......I don't think so. Buffy was good. But, Buffy was wrong.
Hmmm... You bring up some interesting points but I think it's down to how you interpret the ending of the show. I'm not sure on how I view it. You can look at it as Buffy being selfish, forcing girls into her fate to lessen her responsibility, which brings up the issue of whether years of servitude to the prevention of the world's end gives her that right. If Slayers are given the choice to fight or not (I don't remember it being explicitly stated in the comics if they're obligated to join the new Watchers) then you can say that all she did was give a generation of girls strength and power they never knew about or realised they could have (like she did, as a feminist icon, for girls in the real world who watched the show). Either way, it's a tough one for me to have a definite opinion on.
Good point. I hope PotN sees your comment. I'd love to know his take. I always saw Chosen (and Season 7 honestly) as a sort of morbid season where we see Buffy grow as a woman but also forfeit some of her greater qualities to do so. I try to imagine if I was force Called to be a Slayer or Champion or whatever under the guise of "choice" and how I'd feel.....
I like your stance. From the feminist angle, it was a win. But, for me, from the "choice in your own life" angle, it seemed....well, hypocritical.
Considering that ALL the potential slayers were being targeted, Buffy gave them the strength that they could have. Gave them an opportunity for something great. Had she not have done that, then the entire Slayer line would've been gone. she also gave them a choice to join the Slayer Organization, even if they declined they still had the instinct to fight
LeoP2008 I have to disagree with Buffy being wrong. The sharing of the power may seem like a lessening of her burden but ultimately the thing that needs remembering is that if the First had won there, then it would have been the first domino to truly tip and bring on the ultimate apocalypse. Not an apocalypse of the Master's new world order or Adam's human/demon hybrids nor even Willow's destruction of the world, but the world itself becoming a thing of pure evil.
LeoP2008 Yeah. I personally didn't love Season 7 and it was mainly down to the Potentials. I would have much preferred the show to end with Buffy and Scoobies past and present fighting the Turok-Han and the First with all the Potentials beings activated at the end. That way we would've been able to spend time with characters we've known and loved for years while still having the same feminist ending. I don't think the Potentials really had much of a bearing on the S7 plot at all and seriously hindered the season. But in the end, the girls still had the choice of what to do with their power. Also Spike's season arc (other than the masterful church scene) and Willow getting over Tara could have been done a lot better.
I watched the film 1st then the tv show... While, I appreciate the film 'cause it gave us the show, I personally believe SMG is the ultimate Buffy (end of story). And if Buffy is appropriated in anyway, like in the comics it should be of SMG's characterization and her characterization only.
So pumped hearing you'll be back yo reviewing episodes!!! Love your work and am the biggest Buffy/Angel fan ever. Keep up the amazing work!
YEEEEEEESSS, HE'S BACK. HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY.
Soo.. what is your favourite piece of fiction, if it's not buffy?
Great video as always, makes me excited for the season 5 guide!
As someone who originally watched the Buffy movie way before the original airdate of the Buffy show... the movie has a special place in my heart for the fact it was all we had at the time... it’s either 90s Buffy or no Buffy at all - plus by the way the Paul rubens vampire from this version has been now canon within ‘what we do in the shadows’ universe lol
The cultural context in which a thing happens is important to how it is received and remembered. The first time I saw this movie was when it was first released on video. A friend and I picked it up on a lark. It looked dumb so what the heck, right?
I loved every terrible cheesy campy thing about it. It's the reason why I watched Buffy when it first came to television. I'm glad the movie exists to have put the idea of Buffy into the cultural ether, a whisper in the wind.
I still view the movie through that lens of nostalgia. I can't unsee it through it. I mean, I *could* if I tried, but I don't have any reason to do so. Especially because I already accept it as it is, flaws and all.
I can understand the, I don't know, consternation? of someone who comes at it from the other direction. Seeing it as an article of history, a vestigial that's uselessly attached to the fully formed and still useful organ that is the show(s).
It's probably a bit like the Doctor or Star Trek. You can go back and see how it all started. Some will like it, some will not and most will likely have that particular fondness for "their" Doctor or "their" Star Trek.
Thank you for your commentary on this movie! I watched the movie before I watched the show (because I had heard the Buffy pilot loosely references the movie). It's fascinating how the ideas in the movie became the amazing Buffy TV show. It just goes to show that it takes a team--the right team--to make something great.
BEEN WAITING FOR THIS FOREVER!!!!!!! Well worth the wait just because of the sexy close-talking part. 😂😂😂
'walking fountain of innuendo' YES I LOVE HIM SO MUCH
The Guide coming back?! Hell yes!
My favorite part of the movie is Paul Ruben's death.....scene.....hilarious!
It's odd to hear that Sutherland did not want to be connected with this movie when I think of him as Katniss' President Snow now.
Don't feel bad, Ian. I don't think there's anyone really deluded enough to not see the movie's many many flaws, but the nostalgia factor does help shine some of those flaws off. And hey, how about that rockin' soundtrack? ;)
What you should feel bad about is ragging on PeeWee's death scene! HDU! That is the best most ridiculously ludicrous death scene ever! :P
And yay! Your guides are coming back! I'm so excited!
God, I missed this.
Yesss!!! So good to see you back!
Awesome review, and I love the interpretation of Lovers Walk, one of my favourite Buffy episodes of all time. Now I don't need to watch the movie and I can concentrate on the show!!!
“When the music stops, the rest is silence” what if Giles randomly said that line when he saw Jenny’s dead body? I’d be like “Wow, nice homage there haha.” Maybe he’d do it better than Sutherland but it’d still be weird.
scifinerd17 Actually, I think it would've been better if Angelus said it since he did a voiceover in Passion.
Humaira Ahmed When I said this, I just meant it as a joke because it’s such a silly line, especially the way it’s said by Donald Sutherland in the Buffy movie. Also Giles is Buffy’s Watcher and so was Merrick. So it’d make sense if it’s passed on from one Watcher to another, just for unintentional shits and giggles.
Wow, awesome vid! Keep up the good work
I love the movie, both because it's so bad it's good and also because it created the show. Also it's nice to hear the few easter eggs to the movie in the show. Like Buffy burning down the gym and such. I do wish she mentioned her first Watcher dying though. =
Holy shit, I just had a short discussion, just maybe a week ago and even here on RUclips as well, with someone who asked me what I would think about the possibiltity of a Buffy movie still coming out (since we basically agreed that the tv show didn´t quite end perfectly appropriately!). I explained that I wouldn´t want this, because I feel it would just have to have the original cast of the tv show (plus, there´s the comic book!) to feel cannon and by now, there´s just too much time past! BUT: Right after that he convinced me, that making a movie about some past slayers, maybe from the 19th century, maybe even going back to the very first one, could actually turn out to be fantastc, if it´s done correctly! But I would have never guessed, that we already had a Buffy movie, that came out a long time ago!... Kind of a mindfuck right there to me...
HE'S BACK!
It's funny how much of this echoes in the Buffy series even when the two are wildly different. Just seeing prototype Bangel speak, the leather jacket, Buffy dealing with a boyfriend who wants to be her manly protector (hello proto-Riley) makes me so happy we got...well not this.
Actualize! Actualize!
I remember Joss Whedon mentioning the show is a soft reboot, Buffy alluded in the first episode of the first season that the events happened more or less but somethings were changed.
I can't wait for more buffy guides!!
Spike actually has meet 5 slayers, not 3,
1. Slayer from China
2. Nickie
3. Buffy
4. Kendra
5. Faith.
Plus all of the Slayers that Spike helped train in season 6,
Including the rouge Slayer that chopped off Spikes hands in Angel season 5.
At the point in the story where he tells Buffy about Slayers needing a death wish, he was up to 5 Slayers but had only fought with 3 and killed 2.
If you remember it was Drucellia that killed Kendra not Spike.
Am I the only one who's mind went to a bad place at "stiff one-eye"?
...I never realized how much I totally misinterpreted that phrase until you just said something.
I've missed your videos so much!
I found the movie to be fun and weird.
I thought Kristy was perky and empathetic. I like Rutger Hauer. I thought Pee Wee's death scene was pretty funny (although in retrospect it sticks out like a sore bum). I liked it enough that I was resistant to the TV series at first.
I have absolutely no quibbles, however, with your criticisms.
Also...
Kristy Swanson:
Hot.
Oh how I've missed you!
Welcome back!!!!!
The movie is why I never bothered with the show until it was already off the air. Why in the world would I watch a TV show based on a movie I completely loathed?
Thankfully, I (eventually) caved. And I still get the I told you so's from my friends for it.
I've really missed hearing you talk about Buffy so much. I actually avoided watching the BtVS television show for years because, although the movie was terrible, Kristy Swanson did a fantastic job with the character and I was convinced nobody could do it better. Sarah Michelle Gellar just didn't seem the right type physically to pull it off.
I know exactly what you mean. I felt the same way when I heard the series was coming out but still forced myself to watch the tv show because it was the only Buffy I was going to get. By the second episode, I was addicted. Did you notice they made Sarah Michelle Gellar look more like Kristy Swanson's version of the character in season 2?
Yes, the show as a whole really found its footing in the second season and took off.
Green Books I didn't see a comparison between Sarah Michelle Gellar's look and Kristy Swanson's. The only thing similar was that Buffy's hair was more blonde, mostly because SMG dyed her hair blonde for Scream 2
David Salazar Interviews have indicated there was a deliberate change made to Buffy's look in Season 2, so that wasn't just an offshoot of her Scream 2 role. But I didn't think the similarity was deliberate, just that the hair change did make her look more like Swanson which was just something I noticed as a big fan of the movie. However, I do not mean that as any kind of indication that the show was moving in a more movie-oriented direction (luckily). In Season 2, the show got better as a result of being LESS like the movie, not more. Buffy's look is just a totally shallow observation I wanted to share with Toshi Omni in the spirit of pure nostalgia. But if you don't think so, that's cool too. Honestly, I just like any excuse to talk about Buffy (series or movie).
Tosh: "Yes, the show as a whole really found its footing in the second season and took off."
TOTALLY agree. The difference between S1 and S2 is stark. Season 1 is entertaining, but I don't feel that they actually had a handle on who exactly Buffy WAS. They hit the ground running in S2. They seemed to have made a bunch of decisions about who she was -- very decisive. By the time they made "When She Was Bad" and "School Hard", I felt like Sarah, and Joss knew EXACTLY who Buffy was -- like they'd been making the show for years.
Please review the unaired Buffy pilot
your extrapolations are brillliant!
I forget where i heard it, i think it was an interview with joss, but what made buffy different was her ties to the world. Forgive me for reiterating but it seemed you implied that wasnt it.
All slayers before her were isolated. Theres only the kill. Buffy had immense help because of the scoobies when she faced nearly every big bad.
Xander giving her CPR when she drowned.
Willow re-ensouling Angelous.
Xander getting a bunch of c4 for the Mayor
Willow, Giles and Xander combining their essence with buffy to destroy Adam.
Willow weakening Glory and giles killing Ben
Xander saving Dark Willow
Willow activating the potentials and Spike using the amulet.
Without the help of the scoobies, she surely would have perished at the end of any season. (Obviously she did in season 5 but you know what i mean)
I think this point is more heavily realized in the wish. Wishverse buffy is cold and cynical. Shes truly isolated. She went in solo and has her neck snapped by the master.
Also a side note, i really hope they do a remake of the buffy movie. Given Joss's explanation of what it was intended to be, i think it'd be sick as hell. Its unfortunate his vision was so heavily violated and perverted by people who couldnt take this movie seriously. It was intended to be a genuine horror type movie abd they turned it into a joke.
Awesome video dude!