It's surprising this video came to me. I am a french sailor. Please excuse my writing, because English is not my mother tongue Very interesting video and also very well done video, we can see a lot of things. Let me comment : First J80 1067 should not have its engine on the rear when racing. It si forbidden by J80 class and we understand why. Second, Can 106 should not have his spinnaker pole oustside the bow, on the wrong side and with a sheet still in it. There is plenty of time to clean and prepare when going upwind. At the first buoy, can 106 had no right for space, but J80 give him plenty of. The problem is not to chnage his mind at the last second. The two dog legs buoys are very close wich is not a good idea. It helps to break boats ! At the second buoy, J80 669 had right for space and J80 1067 took risk to close the door. J80 669 touch the buoy but it doesn't seem to be a problem... At 00:37 the jib is probably to tight as the boat is not sailing upwind. And the two peaples who are looking at the buoy and doing nothing else could have prepared the spinnaker and be ready to hoist it sligtly before the second dog leg buoys. At 00:37 the spinakker should be like it is at 00:54. Looking to the two "V" boats and considering the J80 669 position at 00:08, the J80 1067 had lost at least 4 boat lenght in this dog leg. Hope it helps.
Is this another Tennessee beer can race? Nobody seems to care how much money they've gotta blow replacing rigging or fixing hull damage slamming into each other. This is sailing, not roller derby.
Depends on whether this was a beer can race or not. Frankly I don't think it required protest flags; the skipper mangling his own spinnaker pole received punishment enough.
Spin pole was probly on a mast track which they had attached and lowered to its lowest position which extends it beyond the bow. Odd how they suddenly felt they needed to cross astern. Must be something going on we cant see
@@SailingTeamTallyHoHe no doubt realized when it was too late that he indeed _didn't_ have room at the mark, and tried to duck their stern a second too late. Too bad for him; his spinnaker pole is now a reaching strut.
@@SailingTeamTallyHo It was indeed on the mast track. What I find perplexing is that it wasn't _raised_ on the mast track in preparation for rounding the weather mark -- unless it was a reaching mark.
Meh, another day, another spinnaker pole. Yacht racing as a contact sport does not appeal to me when the cost of replacing rigging or repairing hull damage rivals what you paid for the boat. However, if the extent of your accountability for stupid decisions on the race course is mangling your own rigging, that oughta be punishment enough. This guy could no longer fly his chute for the rest of the race coz he wanted so squeeze out some apparent advantage at the windward mark. Cost/benefit analysis concludes that the one descriptive word for this maneuver is "asinine."
First scenario just looks like a rule 11 break by the boat that broke its pole with a 43.1 exoneration of rule 14 for the boat w the camera. Second by the offset looks like a rule 18.1, and not an 11 since it was within 3 boat lengths of the mark.
@@fredbarnes196 the screeching tires scenario would depend on the SIs as to whether the offset is considered a mark of the course or not. If it is, then rule 18.1 (inside overlap would have room at the 3 boat length zone boundary) separately from the main windward mark. The written rule just says “mark of the course”. Good footage!
So with no overlap..then purely a rule 19 then (screecher was overtaking and had to avoid hitting from behind). Also the rule 18 clause which states that if the 3 boat length overlap cannot be confirmed..then it is assumed that there was no overlap
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It's surprising this video came to me. I am a french sailor. Please excuse my writing, because English is not my mother tongue
Very interesting video and also very well done video, we can see a lot of things. Let me comment :
First J80 1067 should not have its engine on the rear when racing. It si forbidden by J80 class and we understand why.
Second, Can 106 should not have his spinnaker pole oustside the bow, on the wrong side and with a sheet still in it. There is plenty of time to clean and prepare when going upwind.
At the first buoy, can 106 had no right for space, but J80 give him plenty of. The problem is not to chnage his mind at the last second.
The two dog legs buoys are very close wich is not a good idea. It helps to break boats !
At the second buoy, J80 669 had right for space and J80 1067 took risk to close the door. J80 669 touch the buoy but it doesn't seem to be a problem...
At 00:37 the jib is probably to tight as the boat is not sailing upwind. And the two peaples who are looking at the buoy and doing nothing else could have prepared the spinnaker and be ready to hoist it sligtly before the second dog leg buoys. At 00:37 the spinakker should be like it is at 00:54.
Looking to the two "V" boats and considering the J80 669 position at 00:08, the J80 1067 had lost at least 4 boat lenght in this dog leg.
Hope it helps.
Nice, definitely captures that feeling
No overlap establish at the zone entry so the guy broke his own pole while fouling the leeward boat.
there goes a few grand in a spinnaker pole.
I love crewing. I’d cry owning😂
Yep..at least 1k just like that! But i would say it was entirely preventable
Is this another Tennessee beer can race? Nobody seems to care how much money they've gotta blow replacing rigging or fixing hull damage slamming into each other. This is sailing, not roller derby.
No protest flags?
More polite to sort it out with some beers at the bar, especially with everyone racing a handicap.
Nobody cares.
Depends on whether this was a beer can race or not. Frankly I don't think it required protest flags; the skipper mangling his own spinnaker pole received punishment enough.
Why would he have his deck spinnaker pole several feet out in front of the bow pulpit?
Spin pole was probly on a mast track which they had attached and lowered to its lowest position which extends it beyond the bow. Odd how they suddenly felt they needed to cross astern. Must be something going on we cant see
I don’t believe it was past the pulpit ??
@@SailingTeamTallyHoHe no doubt realized when it was too late that he indeed _didn't_ have room at the mark, and tried to duck their stern a second too late. Too bad for him; his spinnaker pole is now a reaching strut.
@@SailingTeamTallyHo It was indeed on the mast track. What I find perplexing is that it wasn't _raised_ on the mast track in preparation for rounding the weather mark -- unless it was a reaching mark.
@@briane173 skipper experience and crew training
Meh, another day, another spinnaker pole.
Yacht racing as a contact sport does not appeal to me when the cost of replacing rigging or repairing hull damage rivals what you paid for the boat. However, if the extent of your accountability for stupid decisions on the race course is mangling your own rigging, that oughta be punishment enough. This guy could no longer fly his chute for the rest of the race coz he wanted so squeeze out some apparent advantage at the windward mark. Cost/benefit analysis concludes that the one descriptive word for this maneuver is "asinine."
I hate mark roundings...😖
First scenario just looks like a rule 11 break by the boat that broke its pole with a 43.1 exoneration of rule 14 for the boat w the camera. Second by the offset looks like a rule 18.1, and not an 11 since it was within 3 boat lengths of the mark.
Neither broken pole or screeching tires has room, which needs to be established at the first mark
@@fredbarnes196 the screeching tires scenario would depend on the SIs as to whether the offset is considered a mark of the course or not. If it is, then rule 18.1 (inside overlap would have room at the 3 boat length zone boundary) separately from the main windward mark. The written rule just says “mark of the course”. Good footage!
There was not overlap, therefore, he didn't have rights at the mark, the reason he was falling off.
So with no overlap..then purely a rule 19 then (screecher was overtaking and had to avoid hitting from behind). Also the rule 18 clause which states that if the 3 boat length overlap cannot be confirmed..then it is assumed that there was no overlap