Simple explanation to Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth's Ending
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- To reiterate before some people get mad, this is just one explanation that exists among the hundreds of theories floating around. It's all in good fun. Theorizing is all we got until the next 4-5 years lmao
TLDR: Sephiroth plans to utilize the Reunion which is a merger of worlds. He is merging every timeline in existence to the remake timeline so that there will only be one single timeline in the ff7 universe. This is so that it doesn't matter if he lost in the OG or in other timelines, because this is the only one that will matter so winning in remake will mean an absolute victory. And a loss will be an absolute loss.
To guaranteed his win, he needs to cast meteour and he needs cloud to deliver him the black materia to him at the northern crater which is why he is manipulating cloud so hard. He needs to get rid of holy and we see he has been doing that throughout the entire game, but got outplayed as aerith managed to sneak one into the remake's timeline. He acknowledges this when he sees cloud with the white materia in the remake timeline, "that doesn't belong here." Now that his plan to stop holy is ruined, he has to figure out how to deal with it.
The rainbow light signifies some time shenanigans happening. Zack's purpose is to show this plot device. Cloud collided swords with sephiroth when he tries to kill Aerith and rainbow light came out. Tifa saw a version of aerith with blood and one without, so there most likely is an Aerith that 'lived' in some other timeline. Why is this important? Because when reunion happens, if all timeline is merging into one then that alive aerith will then make her way back into remake's timeline, just like Zack. How they going to explain multiple instances of characters post merge? Maybe they're all just dead in the other timelines is my guess since we see Zack fated to get gunned down by Shinra no matter which route he chooses except the one where sephiroth put him in the lifestream.
Or maybe some crackpot insane styled plot twist is coming our way, who knows. This is just the way I interpreted the ending when I finished the game. Either way it goes, most of the game has been pretty damn similiar to the OG.
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As much as I enjoy a 40-minute convoluted and far-fetched explanation of the ending, this is probably the best one-plain, simple, and grounded in what we actually see happening.
Everyone else is wrong this is the only logical explanation it’s obvious
I swear you simplified it so perfectly it makes sense. It's not so convoluted like everyone else is making it out to be
I have a simpler explanation. Elena's seat salt ice cream is a clear indication of Donald summon and he will use the Kingdom Key to unlock Zack inside Cloud's heart.
That sounds like nomura
I saw the ice cream and instantly thought of Sea salt ice cream 😂😂
This 😂
Ah yes, a fellow Occam's Razor enjoyer.
Concise but well-reasoned and didn’t try to add complexity just to make the theorist seem smarter. I liked this a lot!
There is really no reason to make it way more complex than it is.
The devs weren't listening.
Sephiroth pretty much explains word for word his Plan like, hey mate, I'm merging dying timelines, their suffering gives me strength and when only one lasts I'll be eternal and spread
@@EustaceCerviart And that sentence is begging the question on more fronts than it has words.
Why are timelines dying? How are they dying? Where did Sephiroth gain the ability to travel through timelines? Where are all the other Sephiroths? How does suffering provide Sephiroth with more power? Why would only one remaining timeline give him the ultimate power? Why can Aerith travel timelines or at least, how is she aware? How do timelines work to begin with?
And that's just a fraction of the swiss cheese that is FF7R's plot.
We have to make so many assumptions with unexplained concepts and blurred transitions from material to metaphysical realms that the story ends up having as many interpretations as there are viewers.
@@EustaceCerviartseriously. I realize there’s things we don’t know but there’s so much that’s literally directly told to us.
@@Luftgitarrenprofithe game tells us that Ancients could travel and speak to the planet, and Sephiroth, when he died, couldn’t join the Lifestream, instead he travelled around and learned all knowledge of the Ancients. I think that gives answers to a few of your questions. But as to why timelines/worlds are dying, I also can’t remember anything being said
I think you’re 100% right. It makes the most sense out of all the videos I’ve seen. Plus, it was the original intention of the OG FFVII game to have Aerith come back to life at the end, but due to time constraints and money, they didn’t do that. So, having this timeline merge theory where she’s alive again to help in the final battle makes a lot of sense.
Yes it’s obvious
Great video. I completely agree with the idea that the multiverse thing doesn't matter since like you said, the Reunion will merge everything together and what happens at the end of part 3 will be it. Sephiroth won't be able to come back and FF7 can be put to rest
This, and also I think the multiverse stuff is a way to flesh out what the lifestream is and is capable of. It expands on the power of memories and feelings, which is what the lifestream has always been since the original. A key figure goes one way, dies, returns to lifestream, the lifestream uses this new information to go a different path. I think you can see that with basically Zack's whole arc. They explained this in some more cryptic manner in the original with Sephiroth traveling through the lifestream, and the "multiverse" stuff is how they're showing that power in the Remake.
Not really... FF7 has made them too much money.... one day another FF7 spinoff or something we'll see again. They even mentioned continuing it in an interview around 2019
@@zacatkinson3926Maybe we get a Dirge of Cerberus remake or something. I don't think they'll touch the main storyline with Shinra & Sephiroth again. They could make an AC game or DLC but that's probably it. Of course they won't fully abandon the compilation, but I think the main storyline is going to be ended. Anything that isn't a DoC remake or AC game is not going to give SE much money
@@mingQWERTY it might we’ll see
@@zacatkinson3926they made it out of heart and love and u can see and feel it
And the by continuation in the interview meant trilogy and spinoffs like crisis core remake or ever crisis
The trilogy is LITERALLY a sequel to advent children: from the first game you can clearly tell that Aerith and Sephiroth knew what was going to happen in the future and by challenging fate multiple timelines were created so there’s still a chance to see Aerith back in the third game in fact she’s alive in Zack’s timeline.
THIS is exactly what I am thinking. The events are repeating themselves for some reason, thinking back of Sephiroth saying that he will never be a memory in AC, I suspect this has to do with him again. Aerith was probably aware of what was going on and also rolled back her journey, this time with all the informations she needed from the previous events. How she could do that? Well time and space don't matter in the lifestream.
Maybe the only way to defeat Sephiroth this time would be for Cloud to sacrifice himself so that Sephiroth dies permanently with him. Remember that Sephiroth values Cloud so much that he wants to join forces with him to defy destiny. He even says “But I will not END. NOR WILL I HAVE YOU END” unless maybe the Clear Materia can somehow erase Sephiroth completely from Cloud’s mind and he won’t have to die.
I like this thought line. It is not overcomplicated, but many people will be discussing/speculating/theorising until part three.
After the o.g. i never thought I would still be playing FF7 (rebirth) at the age of 57! The devs have done so well with Remake and Rebirth, and I can't wait for Reunion.
It wont be called that
Simple theories are usually best theories. I was hoping for a video like this after 7R when everyone going on about there being multiple Sephiroths from OG and AC and Aerith time travelling from the future, etc. Much simpler answer was just that they both had visions of the future via the Lifestream, which we saw established in 7R. But that simple answer was missed in all the crazy theorizing.
I think the fact that Sephiroth and Lifestream Aeirth know the timeline means this game is at the very least a spiritual sequel to the OG. You can argue they are playing out at the same time but I would still consider it a sequel seeing as without the OG we don’t get the remakes new events.
It’s a sequel the original events already happened
Subbed. This is the only thing that makes sense, and you're the only one to explain it as simply as possible.
I like this. My brains been going in so many directions trying to pull on every minor thread of evidence and analyzing super minor details. It’s fun, and I think we want square to also have these crazy theories put on display because it shows they love it like we do, but it’s probably going to be like you said: the games going to be exactly what it’s told us, no big twists or shocking changes
We've already had both
I think Sepiroth found a way to weaponize emotion via lifestream's multiverse. The prime emotion he wants is loss or grief. That's why he's basically started the war between Shinra and Wutai. War happens, meteor happens, multiverse colliding. All that negative emotions will siphon to him achieving godhood. And since the timeline is merged, we got all our heroes to stop him. But I'm guessing they need to return to their respective timeline when it's all over and Aerith as we know will still be dead in the remake timeline.
Hahahaha dude this is awesome!! The way you explain it is just so funny and entertaining to me, it feels like trying to explain quantum physics to a five-year-old. I love it haha, thank you for making this!
Aerith is working with the planet to outsmart sephiroth and win/ survive, she matermiding something and thats why she gave red and marlene the knowledge she knew Zack would likely meet up with Marlene and Marlene told Zack which is what Aerith was planning
I mostly agree with you, but I'm not entirely sure how much is truly "mastermind" levels. I have seen theories where people elevate Aerith up to god levels, and I don't think she is that at all. She's doing her best, but it's more of a scrappy job than some masterful plan. I think a lot of her "big plays" are better credited to the lifestream than Aerith, though I think there are memories of other Aeriths feeding the lifestream information. So in a way there's some type of mastermind going on, but I don't think Aerith has all or even most of the information at any time, she's still responding to bits and pieces she gets here and there.
@@Kanriel I guess, but my point is if she can transfer knowledge to Marlene and Red and literally know which Aerith needs to show up to help Cloud and literally shows up through time and space with the sephy fight means she's more powerful than we think or at least helped.
@@zacatkinson3926 She's certainly more powerful than the crew knows of, but I'm not sure how much information she's really getting access to, and if she knows as much as people seem to think. Or maybe, I think she only has access to quote so much information while she's dead and in the lifestream. She only gets/gives bits and pieces otherwise. And we don't know just how much control she has over things. It feels like she may have got Zack to the right timeline, but we don't know how much of that is Aerith and how much is lifestream itself. But other than that, we've seen Seph show more ability to manipulate worlds than Aerith. So I just disagree with the implication there's some "omniAerith" or "ultimate Aerith", we haven't seen her show that yet. And we also still know Seph is playing around, he hasn't shown just how much control he has in there yet, he's still toying with Cloud.
@@Kanriel i just think we’re underestimating aerith, she knows what happening before it dies and Zack thinks she may control the whispers, that was a small but important point
@@zacatkinson3926 Zack senses her presence, so the whispers may be listening to her in that scenario, and her influence is winning out. But we don't know if she has full control or just got a temporary pass for the whispers to follow her. Because those "same" whispers also seem to work against Cloud and company, and maybe that's because Aerith didn't want them to show up while she was praying...seems a bit odd for that to be the case.
My theory after finishing the game and watching this is that Sephiroth needs Cloud not only to get him the black materia but also to act differently in some crucial events. To me it looked like it was Cloud to kill Aerith and Sephiroth needed to have Cloud do it because when he did it himself in the other timelines it didn't work and he got defeated every time.
He wants a new timeline where Cloud does everything he says and becomes an "evil Cloud" who can grant Sephy the victory in the end by slowly turning against the others. That's why Cloud seems off in the ending cutscene and he puts the black materia into his sword. Also Barrett seems very suspicious of Cloud and says a very little convincing "Ok we trust you" when Cloud says he knows where Sephy is.
Aerith knows this and told the others that she was gonna die this way but it was necessary to create the new timeline in which Cloud acts like "a puppet" (Sephy says it before the fight in the temple) who does Sephy's bidding while Aerith and the lifestream are going to try to undermine this attempt from Sephy by tapping in the other timelines to influence other events and getting informations, working under Sephy's radar and basically making it look like he's winning again (which he is from the looks of it). And maybe in the final game the rest of the gang with the help of Aerith from the lifestream are going to fight Cloud to stop him and create their own new timeline in which this last Sephy attempt failed forever.
It's difficult to explain and I did a bad job probably and I could be totally wrong but I like a theory of an "evil Cloud" who becomes a new villain but correct me if I'm missing something!
That's a good one, I have a question, didn't we defeated fate/destiny/whispers in the final boss of remake? I thought because of that we wouldn't see those whispers again and we could save Aerith for real this time.. so what was the point?
@@juanfernandorojas3194 I think the point was that both us and Sephiroth needed to overpower the arbiters to change both parties fates.
We want them defeated so we can change the story and save Aerith meanwhile Sephy wants to use them as a tool to stop us and seal his new destiny, where he can finally win.
Basically the arbiters are neutral, but now half of them are white (the ones that have been brought to our side) and half is black (the ones Sephy is controlling) and whoever has more willpower and strenght of spirit will win in the end (us of course and maybe Zack will also come back!)
I love this theory, because it kinda mean the one I have about the remake Sephiroth.
The remake sephiroth is advent children who was able to more or less break away from the will of Jenova (that part is convoluted).
It would explain why the whispers got involved, why Zack was pulled into an alt timeline and how sephiroth has been able to influence cloud so much (without Zack in the livestream guiding cloud sephiroth has a stronger influence on him).
It would also explain why Aerith dies even after we save her. I think sephiroth wanted her alive. It would mean Aerith wouldn’t be in the livestream to amplify holy like she did before, Aerith herself kind of altered the timeline and made sure she would die. It would explain why the whispers were holding cloud back even when he was trying to save Aerith.
@toulor895When you fight him you hear the exact same music played when he stabs you and lifts you as the movie. The same music plays when cloud gets stabbed at the end of advent children
@@OrangeJuicePapi the music could be just a reference, not necessarily an outright confirmation of it being the same Sephiroth.
I for one think you are both wrong, this is neither. This Sephiroth is unrelated to other media. The game is remaking the original and adapting elements from the compilation but stops there. It is its own separate thing.
@@pandaeyezlol no
The edge of creation seph is the OG seph that Cloud fought in Advent. He is good, trying to right the wrongs of Jenova. "you can't see through clouded eyes" the evidence are the white feathers at the end of Rebirth. Seph has white feathers when he is good in Ever Crises.
I like your explanation. Good stuff, smart summarized and really well put
Sometimes the most simple explanation solution is the best answer. I agree with this.
You sound exactly how i imagine cloud's voice actor sounds in real life. Thank you.
Reunion. When worlds merge where at least in one of those world some characters live/survive. Example zack aerith jessie biggs wedge glenn and so on. When they merge they will all be alive in one singular timeline. Reunite again. Thus. Reunion. Goddammnnnnn 😱
It was obvious before rebirth was out
Final Fantasy VII Reunite/Reunited
There are just too many signs that Aerith will survive. Marlene telling Zack that only Cloud can save Aerith. Sephiroth saying 7 seconds etc, and Zack's last words to Cloud asking him to save her AFTER she had died.
They have no where to go within the story but save aerith and all of them really. Maybe even sonon will be saved
I hope it goes the way you say. It seems the most reasonable way to get out of all this multiverse craziness
Actually even Sephiroth losing isn't that bad for him - he would 'never be a memory' in a hundred other ways. There's nothing stopping him from coming back as long as Cloud exists.
That's why I wonder if Cloud's going to die.
Yes, Sephiroth lost on OG, so Sephiroth needs an alternative timeline to go on.
It's funny because sephiroth himself said the rules: 1) when fate is breached a new world is created and 2) no matter how persistent, that created world will get destroyed.
It means that it's his fate to get defeated and defying it will just create another timeline which will eventually get destroyed. There's no telling that the merging of worlds in rebirth is final, because sephiroth himself was able to separate zack from the merging. It means timelines can still be created when fates are defied, so sephiroth trying to defy his defeat will just do the same.
I would also like to emphasize one possible plot hole in what you said: if alive aerith and zack will fully merge with remake timeline and become permanently alive, it means it's not necessary to place the non-empty holy in the remake timeline because the non-empty holy will just blend with the remake timeline anyway.
From my understanding, even if merged, the timeline where aerith lived will still vanish in due time. I'm guessing she persisted until the end of advent children.
Your thoughts pretty much align with mine. Like you need to frame things in a way that fit the context of the story has been given to you so far. The theories floating around about Aerith at the end of Rebirth being a projection or hallucination from Cloud are grounded in our own real world reality, as opposed to fitting in within the world of FF7. But that's the fun of getting lost in these stories - they don't have to follow the rules of our real world every day life.
This might sound farfetched but hear me out. In FFXV, every alternate timeline exists inside the Lucian Crystal as a "dream" which is explained in the Dawn of the Future. Switch "Lucian Crystal" for "Lifestream" and it fits. There are other worlds in the lifestream and Sephiroth wants to take control of it to erase all of the ones where he loses.
This is the best theory and might hold water. Simple and to the point. If true it will be cool and can’t wait for what’s coming on part 3
When Cloud deflected Sephiroth from Aerith, the full Holy materia fell. This was in original time line. Then it switched to a branch where she really DID die. Skip to the end. Cloud has and EMPTY Holy materia(like how zacks line is), and sees that the party he is with exists in another split(the sky at the end). Cloud is not sad because he KNOWS Aerith is not dead in the OG timeline. This is as much as i can really confirm to myself as anything else(Zack, reunion, importance of the current timeline etc.) is just confusing.
I still don't really get how any of this is supposed to work, I presume the Areith who gives Cloud the white materia is in the timeline where you play as Zack and the world is ending (I'm presuming it's the same one even though I know Zack's own timeline splits in 3 by the end). How did she know to give it to Cloud before Sepiroth showed up at the church and if that is the Cloud from the Zack timeline then how did Cloud "Prime" get it? Not complaining about the video, this was good, simple and clean.
Sephiroth wants to terminate the timelines because every time it happens it creates suffering and that changes the lifestream
I think a lot of this makes sense. Curious what you think though, as I remember from the OG that it isn’t Holy which stops meteor ultimately - it tries but isn’t enough. Rather it is the lifestream - presumably guided by Aerith - which is able to overcome meteor.
And it appears in the game as if it’s Sephiroth’s whisperers that help Cloud get to Aerith? Would that mean Sephiroth’s only path to victory is where Aerith lives and can’t become powerful in the lifestream? I know this is venturing into crackpot theory territory, but it’d be an interesting twist if Seph realized his biggest mistake was killing Aerith.
The way Sephiroth was talking at the end of the game, I was just begging for him to just shout "Time Will Compress!"
Like Ultimecia?
@@sixpathsrequiem literally. Feels like they could have 100 percent referenced her with a line at the end and it's have made complete sense XD
Im all for the multiverse. I felt really compelled by the changes. And amazing visuals of rebirth ending made me cry for over 5hrs. What a ride. ❤️
Aerith in remake lived and was saved, but the timeline reunion pulled the effect of aerith's death even without the cause, sorta like king crimson
Great video. I just played through rebirth and beat it a second time. Such an amazing game.
Thanks for being the only RUclipsr to see the obvious, it's really that simple but nerds want to convolute everything so they can make 20 more theories while we wait for part 3.
Many of us do, we just dont do videos
Wow this makes A LOT of sense. Nice video!
Thanks for explaining it so simply and clearly!! Makes alot of sense!
This is exactly what I took from the ending and I hope it doesn't get too confusing or to cute
I like a suprise but I want square to be careful
this definitely seems like a sensible theory! tho what I'm wondering is, if a true Reunion would really mean people like Zack and Aerith surviving.
Especially in Aerith's case, since at the end of orginal FF7 she's the one who manages to stop meteor because she is in the lifestream. Would her surviving mean Sephiroth wins because meteor can't be stopped?
another interesting thing we can look forward to is how and when the reunion will happen. in the og the jenova reunion happens when Cloud reaches Sephiroth in the north crater. I wonder if, when and how the reunion of timelines will happen in part 3...
I think your theory is very accurate.
The Landi Lodge did an excellent breakdown… makes a gang of sense.
That guy is clueless
This is my thinking as well, we see Cloud stop Sephiroth and save Aerith in 1 of the time lines, We see Zack in the church at the end in another. Cloud (having traveled through the Multiverse can still see and interact with Aerith and Zack and fight Sephiroth. So when the world merge into one I see both Characters potentially being resurrected.
They need to Save the planet and forge a better ending than the 1 we saw in the OG FF7 where mankind was wiped out.
THANK YOU. Fuckin' Occam's Razor, seriously. People making Jenova Aerith theories and all that just make me scratch my head, people just really wanna complicate the hell out of it, lol
They’re dummies
Aerith being Jenova is the dumbest theory yet.
I think you're mostly right, only Sephiroth actually had his reunion happening, winch is having Aerith dead on all these new universes created by the end of Remake. He wanted to do that, but Cloud saves her and creates the single universe where she does survive.
Then there's that glitch and Sephiroth really did kill her and to me, that's Aerith "editing" the timeline, because before the sneaky blur effect is removed from Sephiroth and he's smiling for killing her, he's surprised AF, hidden by said blur.
Aerith probably saved Zack into that last other timeline.
I really don’t get why Sephiroth would want to kill Aerith tho. Cuz by doing that she joins the lifestream and gains the ability to stop meteor. Sephiroth just wanted Cloud to experience the feeling of extreme sadness and emotions to feed the planet. It doesn’t mean that his intention was to kill her. If you think about it why would Sephiroth repeat the same mistake he did in the OG that sealed his fate and his plans. I think that Glitch was to show that Cloud was experiencing two worlds at the same time.
Predictions for the end: Sethoroth, Hojo and Jenova gets erased from existence and Cloud creates a new timeline where Sethoroth, Hojo and Jenova never happened. it's only Shinra and Avalanche
Nice, appreciate a quick and logical outlook!
Shortest and clearest explanation.
This is very well aligned with what I was thinking as well and grounded in what the game gives us. A lot of the other ending explained and theory videos just greatly miss the mark imo. You did it right in 4 minutes lol hell yeah
I think the only way Sephiroth wins is when he knows his true origin. Because he likes Cloud a bit much probably because he's the only one to actually challenge his power even as a mere man no wonder he needs him at his side
This hopefully this closes the Advent children problem
This is the most sanest theory so far. Of course, there is a lot more to know about the Ancients, the Gi and the Promised Land but in the end the remake trilogy is supposed to end the compilation and give a happy ending (hopefully)
People like you are the reason for sea salt ice cream and FF 7/2 days.
Saw a theory somewhere that cloud will learn omnislash by each of his counterparts in different timelines coming together to hit Sephiroth
That’s wrong
With your line of thinking, in the original at the end of the game when you finally beat sephiroth in clouds head, Aerith reaches out to him, then you see Tifa reaching out before she falls, cloud saves her and tells her that he is starting to understand. He says "I can meet her if I go to the promised land" reunion has been changed to mean a reunion of all the timelines, promised land could mean the timeline Zack and her are alive, because 2 years later in advent children, they are together, telling cloud he can't join them yet. 498 years after that, we see red in a world where humans don't exist? So what if they went to the prime timeline and Red stays behind for the Gi?
All worlds already have been merged, Sephiroth said it, Zack is alive in another world ( prob ours) because Aerith pull him to another world after Seph send him to that one with the meteor, that happens after the stab occurs, the Aerith that is doing it is the same that appears to fight along Cloud and becomes lifestream afterwards. So Aerith is "dead" anyways, her spirit is in lifestream.
When does sephy say it?
@@Kitth3n end of cap 13 and said a lot of times in 14 after Aerith fate
I pray you are correct…can’t handle Aeriths death for the second time
You mention that when all timelines merge, Zack and Aerith will remain alive. Why is that, if there are timelines where they don't survive? How does them survivng certain timelines override the others?
Imagine having 3 boxes. 1 with the crew, 1 with Zack, 1 with Aerith. Now drop everything from those boxes into 1 box, leave the rest empty. Now destroy empty boxes.
You are left with 1 box, whole crew + Sephiroth.
If Sepiroth wins, game over. If crew wins, the world is "free" to go multiverse again.
Well, the why is important here.
Why is and does Sephiroth want to merge the timelines? To win in the one all merged. I would argue, this.
The Ancients-
Ancients could not beat Jenova. In their efforts they sealed Jenova in multiple hundreds of timelines and had the planets arbiters of fate watch over each, to make sure events of the scattered timelines all play out similarly or the same.
Broken mirror theory. I would argue though just as Jenova is scattered across all timelines and reality, so is cloud. It think when they all merge, cloud is gonna realise that Jenova feared Cloud. That he was not a puppet but something much much more.
Aerith pulled a Makaveli (aka 2pac) Sings about it in her music ( one song)
but faked her death or took political asylum in another timeline. Psuedocide
Poor Zack Efron lol
Right, the only way to get rid of the possibilities of cloud and aerith stopping him, is to get rid of the timelines into one and win. Then he cannot be stopped. Because, apparently, cloud and aerith can exist in all possibilities, while cloud doesn't know this yet. Aerith seems to have figured it out. But why did square add this rather than just making it one timeline that you must beat Sephiroth? I don't know, so you can see zack and play as aerith after death is the only reason I can think of... and to keep us guessing for a new experience. I definitely agree that all timelines will merge and the whole crew will be able to oppose Sephiroth. The dude is already a god with all these abilities! What more does he want? lol
Cloud may know as during the battle he said he did this once and can do it again he knows the timeline is repeating
Reunion of all jenovas too. Jenova reunion is likely the last boss lol
Tho still doesn’t really explain why cloud can still see aeirth? Even tho she died.. to be fair i personally like that his in denial cause thats his whole character. But i could be wrong and probably am:(
She was a ghost twice in advent children
I wonder one thing. In the scene where Cloud do shopping with Aerith, why Aerith act so strange? She seems over excited and reminds me Yuffie. At the very begining of the scene, before Aerith invites Cloud to go outside, we clearly hear a voice saying "Shu shu shu!", which is what Yuffie always say.
Someone remember this or am I going crazy?
Aerith is in a manic state because her world is doomed but chooses to spend her final moments with Cloud. Its got nothing to do with Yuffie she just wants to cherish every moment she has with Cloud which is why she is waking him up because her time is limited. Her goal is also to give him the White Materia for the other Aerith to receive so that she regains the memories that she lost.
See, this is why I don't understand why they're using multiverse and time travel when things end up almost the same. Sephiroth cast Meteor in the original and Holy did not stop Meteor in the OG. Aerith in the lifestream stopped Meteor. All Sephiroth had to do was not kill Aerith and he would've won, but instead, what he does is try to kill her so Cloud could save her. Sure, he's harvesting emotions, but it seems pointless to do that when the story is effectively the same.
Making more money isn't pointless. They know it doesn't make sense but they want your money regardless.
@@metastase895 Your argument makes little sense. They could make more money by making a better story.
I think maybe we are assuming things based on og and misunderstand. It was naver implied in the og compliation that Aerith is stronger within lifestream. It was implied that her ghost prayed to the planet for help and the planet itself used lifestream as a weapon to stop meteor (which is still bad considering lifestream shouldn't be used like that)
In otwtas it was mentioned both by Aerith and Sephiroth that it will take time but their conciousness will still merge with lifestream which scares them a little.
Even in the lifestream Aerith was torn between her duties as a Cetra and being able to go back to material world. She even considered a little to create similar remnants as sephiroth but know this is wrong
I see it as;
- all the timelines will merge at some point in the final game
- but characters that are destined to die will do so
---> i.e. biggs and wedge 'survived', but in those timelines they still died, just in another way
----------> using that theory, i think aerith will get a 'proper' death, and it will be unexpected in a similar way as bigg's sudden death was, so the audience still get some of the shock value that Aerith's OG death had :)
I would bet my money on this, if I didn’t dislike gambling
It’s common sense
Just finished playing it and makes a lot of sense of what you just said 👍
What happened in Remake: a new timeline where Zack lives and Zack dies
What happened in Rebirth: a new timeline where Aerith lives and Aerith dies.
Part 3: a new timeline where everyone lives and everyone dies.
I really want to believe that there is a timeline where Aerith lives, and there is a lot of evidence pointing to this being the case, but I also don't want to seem as delusional as Cloud is right now. 😆
Aerith being Jenova is the dumbest theory yet.
I’m curious on the name for Pt.3
Reclaim?
Restore?
Revive?
Nomura is on drugs again
You can believe what you want but the devs have already said that the people who die in the game are not coming back. So I highly doubt she's coming back to life. Helping in the lifestream 100% but not back to life.
Dude everyone that has died has come back Zack Biggs Barret, death is nothing here
@@zacatkinson3926 yeah except barret was before sephiroth controlled the black whispers. And so was Zack and Biggs. Unfortunately for you.... Barret was in the last game pre whisper absorbtion Biggs was shot dead and didn't come back in rebirth and Zack hasn't been killed a second time yet aerith was stabbed and stayed dead the eyes opening up was in clouds broken mind. If you wanna think she is alive I can't wait for your reaction in part 3 when she stays dead LIKE THE DEVELOPERS SAID SHE Would 🤦😂🤣
@@TheOfficialNewb wrong she won’t die they won’t end it the same the whispers revived them. You have to understand they make anything up, they won’t tell us the ending years before it releases don’t be naive and gullible it’s bad business if they did.
@@zacatkinson3926 lol they didn't say aerith is going to die..... 🤦 They said "loss is a major part of the story and whoever does end up dying is going to stay dead" obviously they wouldn't say a name specifically 🤦
@@TheOfficialNewb They didn't say though over the course of rebirth or also part 3. You couldn't get Aerith's ultimate limit break or her ultimate weapon in Rebirth. That must be an intentional decision from the devs. If she wasn't coming back at all they would've given her full toolkit already before you lose her permanently. She's def coming back in Part 3 but whether she survives in the ending is another matter as the author suggests.
yeah i like it. the only concrete thing we have really is the rainbow motif, that one seems undeniable. you take it from there and it feels like alt timeline is the simplest theory
Brilliant summary, nice one 😊
Where does the secret ending of Dirge of Cerberus tie into all this
Is the original final fantasy 7 story any good?
Congrats I've been saying this for forever by now, also their consciousness will merge into one as they seem to have knowledge and " dreams" of their other selves, like what Zack said in the church
Yeah, and I think you can basically explain some of the oddity by having some people be more sensitive to their dreams. Like Marlene has these extra connections because as a child she dreams harder and thinks they're real, and...they sorta are!
taking what we get as truth is actually incredibly underrated and very smart. thanks
Its not timelines. Its lifestream using memories. Even simpler.
This. Which is a concept from the OG. Everyone is trying to make this like it's MCU but it's much simpler than that. It's not some infinite multiverse.
but the concept of multiple worlds is still there, but like yall said it seems heavily dependent on memories being shared across time. maybe the "alternate timelines" aspect of it comes from the fact that memories can be misremembered/altered? And with sufficient meddling, they can be made true?
@@KajuKajuKatli There is still multiple worlds to some degree, to what extent we may need part 3 to figure out. But I think there's a limit to how many worlds the lifestream can hold together at once, as the lifestream pulls out of failed worlds (which is why they fail). We're told this when Zack goes to stop Biggs, the lifestream has already left that world, and it is doomed to fail shortly because there is no more lifestream. Without the lifestream, the world dies quick.
They'll probably expand on this later, but I view the Arbiters of fate as representations of the lifestreams power, and Sephiroth is siphoning that power for his own gain. This may hinder the ability for extra worlds to even exist, which is obviously part of Seph's plan. So I feel we're going to see less ability to have multiple worlds as we go, as Seph is going to take over more and more of the lifestreams power as we go.
I honestly wish you are right, but Sephiroth is outright spelling it out "when destiny is breached, new worlds are created"._
And why would there be different stamps? Lifestream just trolling? Not likely.
Incorrect
Aerith is pulling them in and out of timelines Zack was pulled into fighting a sephiroth alone and then yanked away and dropped in the church. When Aerith helped cloud fight Seph she showed up in a portal with the rainbow light again, she's operating the rainbow light pattern aspects of the multiverse
Everyone says the third game can’t be called Reunion but it makes the most sense. Not sure what else they would call it.
Rejoining, maybe?
It won’t be that maybe “reunite”
Reunited
I think if we look at it from the perspective of part 3 connecting to advent children, we can infer that Zack and aerith will very much be dead by the end of part 3.
But if this is a sequel, which would explain why Aerith and Sephiroth knew everything about what's going on, then things might play out differently. And before you bash me, yes a sequel is also connected to a prequel, in this case to AC.
Having the Trilogy a prequel to AC wouldn't make sense to me narratively. You fight Sephiroth for 3 games, he's still not dead because then Cloud fights Sepiroth again in AC and even after the final fight he's still not dead. It would make that whole arc over 3 games completely pointless. They've basically kept to the same story as OG so far but they have to change something here in part 3 to actually end the story for good.
@@darthangelus2606 oh I’m not a toxic purist fan brother lol there is no reason to bash just discussing things here as we should. But I mean I do hope you’re right and this ends up being revealed as a sequel, because they recently just rereleased advent children in theaters that tells me they don’t plan on changing or retconning that film
@@lukewilson624 interesting take and actually makes a lot of sense. Connecting and leading to are two different things in my opinion. Who knows they’re connecting part 3 to AC I don’t think they said it would lead to, correct me if I’m wrong
@@Colombianbusiness They don't need to change anything about that film if this is a sequel. They just have to explain the links in part 3. But if you think back how Sephiroth was saying that he will never be a memory, maybe he's trying his world domination tour once again. And this time the party may destroy him once and for all, if this is gonna be a happy ending. If not, we all know already where this will be going.
They just left the ending open ended because it’s not the the ending it’s the middle lol
This worked well. Thank you!
Great video. Best so far. This, is exactly what I thought and then add that Cloud is broken and only can see Aerith on top of that making the lifestream sequence in the next game being more important, when he will finally see that Aerith is dead and remember the burial in the water.
Best vid on this ive seen so far
The problem here is that you’re ignoring many other things that the game states. Like how the NPC in Cosmo Canyon says that the different worlds happen inside the lifestream. And how Aerith knows she has to die since Remake and is not trying to fight it at all (quite the opposite, she wants Cloud to accept it).
Also, Sephiroth’s goal is to live forever. It is stated both in Rebirth and Remake quite literally.
But I think you’re on the right track. Nice video.
She won’t die in the third game
@@zacatkinson3926 you're right. She already did.
@@danobra She wont die at all I mean we already know we have alive versions of them out there
@@zacatkinson3926 if you think there's a multiverse, you should pay more attention to the game
@@danobra There is.. troll
Aerith is dead in all timelines. Sephiroth made sure of that by hunting her down in every single one. The "alive" Aerith Cloud sees at the end is just in his broken mind. He couldn't accept Zack's death, and now he can't accept Aerith's death. We already know that this is how he copes. When she was still alive, she gave him the last white materia that will ever exist. Now Aerith exists ONLY in the lifestream. Cloud and the gang will need to become stronger than they ever have been in order to defeat "MERGED TIMELINES SEPHIROTH"
But then what happened to the Aerith that cloud saved??
She will be in the next one, there 100% is an Aerith that Cloud saves @@Im_marcel.
Not sure if Sephiroth is even interested in killing Aerith. Him killing Aerith will result in his demise because she stops Meteor which ruins his plans. Why would Sephiroth repeat the same mistake by killing Aerith? And there are so many hints that point to Aerith being alive. Cloud was the only one allowed to enter the portal to the capital and manages to parry Sephiroth’s blade and save Aerith. The name of the game is Rebirth which is referred to what Cloud did. The birth of a world in which Aerith survives. Its only natural that the others think he is crazy because they did not enter through the same portal as him. So the next game will probably be called FF7 Reunite/Reunited because the world’s will be merged again as hinted by Zack. Other hints that point to Aerith being alive is when Zack says “Save her!” To Aerith thanking Cloud during the final battle and Sephiroth saying that he underestimated her. They are not going to add all the convoluted stuff just for it to all end up like how things ended in the OG. The devs are going to give us the happy ending that fans have wanted since the OG.
I do think Zack is still gonna die in the end. everything is gonna be “fixed” and would eventually lead up to advent children/dirge of cerberus.
Things might be different. In the rebirth ultimania there is a concept art of Cloud outside of Aerith’s house and Aerith cooking/doing the dishes. And they are both wearing their Advent Children outfits. Things will lead up to Advent Children maybe but it might be in a happier way than how it was in the original.
Bleh what is this bland lettuce you’ve offered me? I’ll be chewing on my sugar-loaded crackpot for the next 4-5 years thank you very much 😂😂
Sarcasm?
Good video. But I don't think that it will be 4-5 years. I'm thinking, 2-3 years, at least.
Possibly 2-3 since the devs said the game is about half done.
This is more plausible than the dood level 7 explanation, as fun as it is to hear his theorizing 👍
Max is wrong this time unfortunately
Fact of the matter is, if he was right I would buy part 3 but he isn't. Rebirth sales can already tell how much worse part 3 will be.
@@metastase895 Thats not true
>im taking everything the game shows us at face value
that's where you fucked up
He didn’t
Doesn't have to be simple, cloud has become crazy, he starts seeing things and delusion things. This is what happens if people are swimming too much mako pool, like people are swimming to nuclear pool and drugs
Holy did not stop the meteor in the OG. The lifestream supposedly guided by spirit Aerith did. Which means in order for this to happen, Aerith still needs to be ultimately dead and part of the lifestream in order to have this ability.
And the multiverse still matters even if it turns out to be the same in the end, because they still took the weight from Aerith's death scene and robbed us of the lake scene with Cloud.