When Cloud deflects Sephiroth's attack on Aerith, you see the rainbow prism appear, meaning Cloud DOES indeed create a reality where Aerith lives. We're just following the world where she doesn't. It's just like when Zack choses to go to Shinra instead of Biggs and creates a world where he goes to Biggs instead.
Agreed, In fact, I've compiled a list of evidences that seem to indicate not only Aerith's death being in doubt, but Cloud's visions may be more than just the side-effects of Mako: -The team goes through a portal in the first game. -Zack is alive in another dimension/timeline thanks to the Whispers, along with Biggs. -Marlene (who never saw Sephiroth) described who Sephiroth was to Zack and that Cloud needed to wake up to save Aerith. Does that indicate Zack needed to know that? -We have dueling Whispers. -Cloud has commented about knowing stuff he shouldn't know and having different versions of events compared with other people (lending to the idea that he is being given this information for some reason). -Tifa had some visions of events when she fell into the Mako (negating the idea that Mako is corrupting someone's memories). -Sephiroth seems to be trying to control the outcome by creating different dimensions/timelines, making it so that Aerith can't stop him in one dimension/timeline. -When Cloud deflects Sephiroth's attack, a rainbow pattern is shown. This has shown up every time Zack made a desision in his world, emphasizing a dimension/timeline has formed because of his desision. -Zack and Cloud from different dimensions/timelines merged into one to attempt to defeat Sephiroth. -The Whisperers brought Aerith back for one more fight against Sephiroth (bringing in the question of where they pulled her from). -Zack is still alive in, at least, one dimension/timeline with a comatose yet alive Aerith.
@@renegade637 I agree with most of what you said. Just two different takes from my perspective. - Sephiroth isn't creating the new worlds or dimensions, he appears to only be able to jump between them and insert a certain level of influence and control over them to manipulate fate. - The Aerith that appears at the end to help Cloud fight I don't think is from another world or dimension, I think it's the deceased Aerith that emerges from the LifeStream to help him, then returns to the LifeStream after the battle is done. I think the Aerith that Zack is begging Cloud to save is the comatose Aerith from his initial timeline. Zach seems to have multiple timelines going on and is potentially even jumping between them.
@@NexusNine Well, won't argue about Sephiroth. As for Aerith being dead, I suppose Aerith is deceased in the reality that Sephiroth managed to shift/leap into at the last second. But, then that leaves at least two potential Aeriths that may or may not have an effect on the third game: the Aerith from Zack's reality that Marlene seems to indicate will have some importance later on and the Aerith from the reality that Cloud spun off from the deflection. Although, I feel like there's some link between all the versions of Aerith. I'm not necessarily going into the Aerith from the original FF7 is communicating with the Aerith from Remake. It's more like her being a Cetra seems to be more significant this time around. She can talk to Cloud in his dreams or subconscious, she alludes to future knowledge that she has, she makes comments about how certain things are not supposed to be happening, and there's a continuing emphasis that she is the key to defeating Sephiroth. Seeing as how Zack and Cloud can see the tear in the sky after Aerith's death, I can't help but wonder if the creators intend for an even bigger role for Cloud, Zack, and Aerith vs Sephiroth in the third game.
@@renegade637 Cloud is also the only party member that made it through the whisper barrier to go after Aerith this time. Might be why he sees the sky different then the rest of the party, and can see alternate Aerith.
@@crossair777 "Cloud is also the only party member that made it through the whisper barrier to go after Aerith this time. Might be why he sees the sky different then the rest of the party, and can see alternate Aerith." And Zack being able to see the tear as well lends proof to the idea that not only is Cloud NOT seeing things (which was originally because of the Mako degradation and the original story idea that his mind was fracturing), he must understand the different realities after being shown them by Sephiroth and realizes the Aerith he talks to before leaving is the Aerith in the "deflection" reality. (Although, I find myself hard pressed to explain why "deflection" Aerith is being left behind so to speak.) In that case, it's going to be interesting to see how they plan on connecting all these realities back together for part 3.
When they finished remake they released it smack dab in the middle of the COVID lockdowns, hopefully they can get it out faster now that there's no lockdown.
2027 for the 30th anniversary of FF7 is the hope. I'm honestly surprised they cranked out a game this large in basically 3.5 years during the pandemic to boot. I think most of the technical challenges and groundwork are done enough to the point where hopefully the last game will be out even sooner.
It probably will be 4 years, but they have a lot going for them to be able to release sooner. No lockdown year(s), game engine already in place, however many years of experience with said engine, mostly the same dev crew throughout production, etc. 2 years would be crazy but 3 is reasonable.
Lodbrok is Jenova. The original is dead by Rufus Shinra’s hand. But that’s one of her abilities is to shape shift. In the Temple of the Ancients they even say “She stole the faces of the dead.”
I second this. Even Sephiroth says she can take on the form of those people hate, love and fear. It would make sense. Especially if Sephiroth appeared to Rufus. That's not Lodbrock taking on new powers. That's Jenova using Lodbrok's face to get into Rufus' head. Hence even why there are some very familiar Cloud like brain zaps that happen right as Sephiroth revealed himself to Rufus
Lodbrok was one of my favorite parts of the game. It really sold that Cloud isn't just going nuts, Jenova really does have these powers, and she really can affect everyone around her.
Rebirth's ending was such an emotional roller coaster for me. I can't even count how many times my heart soared and sank when I thought Aeirth was alive or dead. Just like with Remake, I have so many questions about where Rebirth will go with the next game and I love it.
Cloud saved her and it split the timeline. There's one where Aerith died and one where she is alive. Cloud can actively see both worlds together, which is why he sees Aerith alive. The others can only see her dead. Also why he can only see the rift in the sky, when the others can't
Yep. There's some good supporting evidence for this too. If you go back and look at the moment where Sephiroth's sword sticks into the floor, and then it flashes to another shot where you see the pool of blood appear, the 2 shots of his sword are actually in DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. You can see based on the pattern on the floor. The sword moves like a few feet away and completely changes angle as well. To me that strongly suggests that what they were showing is 2 different outcomes. Not the same outcome with Cloud being delusional (because why would something like that change based on his confusion)
@@garywood97 Not only that when Cloud walks up to Aerith laying on the floor after we "defeat" Seph, the rest of the party isn't visible in the POV of the "other timeline" that he created when he stopped Seph from stabbing Aerith. Since the party wasn't there to witness that event they only see Aerith dead while Cloud is experiencing two at the same time. It's kinda like the expressway of the Part 1 remake. If one of the party members stayed behind and didn't enter the portal to fight Seph and the arbiters of fate, they wouldn't be able to see any of the changes in that timeline. But since they all went in they see and experience everything together.
I’ve heard that it’s possible the vision of cloud saving her could also be what sephiroth wants cloud to see. It flashes green like it does whenever sephiroth is manipulating him. So the divide would be between reality and what cloud’s mind perceived (him saving Aerith) and what really happened( her being killed). It’s just conjecture but it’s an interesting idea
This actually makes alot of sense, I couldn't understand why Tifa was crying and Cloud wasn't, in the original game, Cloud was pretty hurt by Aerith's death.
@@jeffreyfitch1006 Yea but we do see him crying here though when she is bleeding out in his arms while sephiroth is talking smack?...i don't get it. The whole party is grieving her at the end and cloud is well, content?, happy even?. How is it that he perceives multiple timelines, one where she dies and one where he saves her but can't even act normal when his friends are grieving her death?. Like clearly he sees aerith in some form in the final cutscene but can't seem to realize his friends literally just saw her die? He just isnt't acting the way he should be which is bothering me. My first guess was that he is just seeing aeriths spirit but in that case why is he happy?...she died. It doesn't add up.
This is pretty much a sequel to the original game. The term remake means remade timeline which is pretty much Sephiroths plan to combine every dimension together so he can destroy it all. The game still is going through all the events of the OG game and will still lead to advent children and Sephiroth will still lose regardless.
Its just a retelling with add ons… stop with the sequel shits omg its just remaking a story to make it more interesting compared to the original and im fine with that but dont expect zack and aerith to be alive they gone for good.
@@Kise1652 I don’t think they will be alive either by end, they’ll still die like they always do otherwise it wouldn’t be final fantasy and it wouldn’t lead to advent children.
@@Kise1652clearly they will be. Pretty obvious with all this lame multiverse/timeline stuff that by the end, there will be worlds where those two reunited and got to be happy together. Square doesn’t have the guts anymore. Mark my words, someone pin this comment. That 3rd games ending is gonna be there to appease the fans. “Oh Zack finally got to be with Aerith, oh look at that world, Cloud finally got to be happy with Aerith, oh Tifa finally got Cloud!”
I think a new timeline has been created in which Cloud could save Aerith. Because as you see, when Aerith lied down on Cloud's hands, The game constantly switched between two images. One relate to the OG timeline in which Aerith was bloody and Cloud Saying somethings just like the OG one: Like " Aerith can't laugh or become angry anymore" . Another image showed us that Cloud was crying and non-bloody Aerith lied on his hand and No one else in the party like Tifa, Barret,etc... could see it. And on that timeline we're seeing Aerith is alive and touching Cloud's face and open her Eyes. And then they defeated Sephiroth together in the last bossfight. Bro we saw Aerith thanked Cloud for saving her. And saphiroth said he underestimated Cloud. In the end of that bossfight when sephiroth defeated, you can see Sephiroth dropped on his knees and really failed to defeat Cloud and Aerith on that timeline. There's no sense of Aerith's spirit fight alongside Cloud Bro. and here's my fucking prediction for the part three tho. You see: End of part one: Zack survived in an alternative timeline. End of part two: Aerith survived in another alternative timeline. And in part three we'll see this Trio(Zack, Aerith, Cloud) fight with sephiroth. Because of a reason: Sephiroth wants to combine all timelines this time and then destroy them all together. So after we see combination of timelines, this Trio will fight with sephiroth and Sephiroth will kill Aerith and Zack. Because as you know: they had to die. Its their destiny. After that, Cloud will fight lonely with shirtless sephiroth and the rest will the same as the OG. . Sorry for my bad English.
That would actually be a great way to end things in part 3. Thx for mentioning the Aerith dialogue, I'm convinced the Aerith that fifgts alongside Cloud in the last last Sephiroth boss fight was the Aerith saved by Cloud during Sephy skewer attempt
That's a good one but you miss one fact, in the remake when the group defeated the arbiter of fate they are no longer bound to their individual destiny that's why the unknown journey.
I don't think I've seen anyone mention that the holy materia is not glowing green after Aerith dies like in the OG, which indicated that the planet had accepted her prayers. Unless I'm color blind to whatever shade of green they're using here, or I'm misremembering the story. I interpreted Cloud seeing the sky split that they are in a doomed timeline due to that. But, the ending is nothing if not a bit confusing I suppose. Also, I interpreted the rainbow colors when Cloud deflects the blade as creating an alternate timeline, which explains why all the party members start the fight with a limit break ready, but Cloud doesn't. Cloud got to experience all of the emotions of succeeding in saving Aerith, but also was taken back to the OG timeline where that version of him failed. This ability to tap into those emotions is alluded to in Remake where he sheds a tear when he has that death premonition for Aerith.
Cloud being able to see the rift in the sky has 1 of 2 meanings imo: 1. The current timeline he's in (the main remake one) is doomed to fail as you said. At the end of remake when Sephiroth speaks to cloud at the edge of creation, he looks at the dying galaxy and says "our world will become a part of it" and "I won't let our world, nor you". Thinking about this again, Sephiroth wants to conquer all worlds, and so he seeks to defy destiny and "save" this world from its supposedly inevitable destruction with cloud's help. Obviously cloud refuses, but its clear that Sephiroth had the idea that this current world was doomed. Also, it makes sense as to why the whispers took Aerith's memories and the power of the white materia; this timeline was doomed from the start. 2. The less likely possibility is that cloud is seeing other timelines. So the rift in the sky is from another timeline, not the current remake one. But the evidence points to option 1 being more likely. Lastly, I have no clue about Aerith in the final cutscene. I think the Aerith he is seeing a spirit ghost from the lifestream, or it could be the Aerith from the timeline that he saved... the line "It's like a second home" could refer to the other timeline, or the lifestream in the current timeline. I'm not sure what form/which Aerith cloud is seeing now that I've read so many comments. Or it could just be clouds broken mind mixing all of this together and he's just hallucinating, we'll find out in 3-4 years haha
Point 2 is correct, also the rift seems to appear when a new world is created, not because it will die. It's a world that should not exist, but that doea not mean it will die soon necessarily. It's just that the worlds we see with a rift are doomed for one reason or another. Example: Aerith surviving dooms the world because remember, not only Holy needs to be cast to stop meteor, the lifestream needs to help too, and Aerith needs to be in the lifestream for it to happen
Aerith dies in the main timeline. She's alive in at least 1. Cloud DOES save Aerith and creates a timeline. It's THIS Aerith he speaks to and sees eveywhere. They're seperated by timelines but her power over the lifestream let's her talk with Cloud. Watch her death closely. Aerith puts Cloud in a bubble where she talks to him and he asks her to wake up she does and smiles at him. The whole party thinks she's dead because she is in their timeline but Cloud knows when the world's merge she'll rejoin them. Don't forget, Cloud is the only 1 Aerith let's into destiny's crossroads outside the forgotten capital. In doing so ONLY Cloud can change her fate and see the results. The rest of the party see's her fate as destiny ordained like in OG. It's why Tifa see's them talking and then it glitches to a dead Aerith and blood. Cloud and Aerith's new timeline is overlapping with the party at the same time. Same as the end of remake when Zack walks past the party. Exact time, different timelines but at that point only Aerith could sense it because she's Cetra. So at the very end she promises to keep praying for Holy in the capital which she can't do if she's dead (she also has her ribbon and materia) and leaves Sephiroth to Cloud. This explanation in the video is so poor. It explains what the player sees, not what's actually happening.
If this new remake thing is gonna be linked to Advent Children, all I can imagine is Zack and Aerith meeting each other in one of those "timeline worlds" and helping cloud and others from there.
No it's not, you're simply buying into dumb youtube fan theories... stop spreading nonsense, call it what it is, a THEORY! You sound like Ben Shapiro arguing about the existence of god...@@alwaysloctis
@GodOfAI_ yes. Sephiroth didn't die completely in OG/AC verse as we remember and so he managed to interfere in another timelines to so to say try again, and Aerith followed to stop him (I believe those Sephiroth and Aerith are ones in the Church scene in Chapter 14, as Seph says "so this is where you've been hiding" pointing OG Aerith was on the run from him between worlds and once she dragged Cloud to her ("their") place Sephiroth discovered her. though he came to her without masamune which I believe to be important in the question of Aerith's survival (OG Seph knows things didn't really play out for him when he killed her last time)
7:28 Tifa see two Aerith there, one with blood on her, the other with”current” Aerith. It will be interesting how things will evolve, would be cool to somehow bring Aerith back, through the Zack timeline where she is in coma. Aerith apparently knew about her death, Marlene got a glimpse of it. That’s why she ask Zack to save her.
End Rebirth in this point makes sense after Aerith dies, the rest of FF7 saga will conclude and i think Aerith will still have a big role but only Cloud know, part 3 will be fantastic just like Remake and Rebirth.
This video touches on it a little bit but I think it's moreso that Cloud has actually gone somehow even further into madness and delusion and is completely denying Aerith's death when it did actually happen. Also Sephiroth's exact line following this in that scene: "You'll never see the truth with such clouded eyes..." This is also why he is acting normal in the ending scenes whereas all the other members are grieving and also why he is seeing her where the others are not. Another interesting gameplay detail is that in the beginning of the Jenova Lifeclinger fight Cloud is the only party member without a full limit break gauge, implying that the others are in a heightened emotional state after witnessing Aerith's death whereas Cloud is not in this state unlike the original game (evidently in retrospect this limit break thing is something they wanted to do in the original game but didn't). They are really playing with fire here but I think the payoff could be immense in the climax of Cloud's character arc in the next game when he regains his true self and comes to realize that Aerith is in fact dead - if this is true I can see that this is when they would show the water burial scene, one of the most iconic scenes, that they have hidden here.
didn't red xiii sense aerith at the end though? I think it's just her presence via the lifestream, like how in the OG aerith died but her presence was still there to save the world but now it's a more physical sense
@@oliverfletcher8535yh, even right at the end the last shot when aerith was watching and seeing them off in the bronco, it was so similar to that one art in the OG where she staring at the highwind (even though she is dead before getting the highwind).
Cloud is ill but he is not hallucinating aerith. That's her spirit. Only he can see her and other realities because of his connection with aerith and having gone to different realities as well. Red can feel her presence so she is real as a lifestream spirit.
Here's my theory. So I believe that FFVII remake/rebirth has its own timeline. After Aerith's death in the FFVII OG, she communicate with Aerith in the Zack's timeline. The reason Aerith gives the Holy Materia is to create new timeline where she is alive. So we have OG timeline, Zack Timeline, Rebirth timeline where Aerith dies (and Cloud become evil because of the black materia), and Rebirth timeline where Aerith alive (this is where Cloud meets Aerith in the dream). I believe the Zack scene in intermission ending takes place after Aerith meets Sephiroth in the church, which gives us answer that she might die or prisioned by sephiroth (since he does not bring his sword). The question now is where Part 3 could take place. My theory is that Zack might jump to Aerith survives timeline helping Cloud in evil Cloud's timeline, to ensure that the outcome will resemble the OG timeline. I believe that the outcome will align with the OG, considering what happens after playing Rebirth. They're try to present anew story while still retaining the core events of the OG.
I agree and I'm not in the butthurt crowd. I like what they have done. People need to remember they didn't have to make this remake trilogy but they are and thank goodness we are lucky to experience it with the best characters in any medium
In Part 3, I have a feeling that we will have 2 storylines, Cloud and Zack. Zack will meet Aerith and, for the first time, fight alongside Zack, to help Cloud while keeping the ending just like OG. This will answer the AC part, where Zack and Aerith appearing is not as ghosts, but they are in a different timeline. And Cloud can see them because of the Lifestream thing. CMIIW.
Really though? Were those actually alternate timelines?? I don't remember it that way. I thought that was just the future, and the past was "compressed". Which is still just one timeline.
Through replaying the original game, I noticed that during the sequence when Tifa fixes Cloud's mind and visit his true memories we can see some very similar tear in the environment around. It almost feels like those alternate realities only exists inside the life stream and the main one is a physical world.
That aerith death was even worse than the first. I was reliving my childhood and screamed when cloud clashed swords with sephiroth!!! I paused the game and hoot and hollered for a few minutes. Unpaused the game only to see the blood on masumune.... and was instabtly deflated
Too early. Inflate yourself back. Looks like Cloud saved her, but he was alone at the "Destiny's Crossroads", so only for him that change was observable.
@@netfan7117can you explain? Edit. I see it now too! I love the ending and that Cloud's actions created a parallel world where he saved Aerith. Part 3 is going to be epic
I think it was pretty clear when cloud deflected the sword it created an alternate world where Aerith survived. He’s experiencing both realities at the same time which is why it cuts back and forth simultaneously with being dead and alive.
It hasn’t really been established yet on the story that the Jenova cells in clouds body manipulated his thoughts and actions so it doesn’t really make much sense to skip ahead to that yet this early on.
I legit ignored the prompts and felt like it would force me pull those trigger buttons. I felt like I made a choice, the right choice and it shook me to my core when the prompts faded away to continue the scene. Cloud saving Aerith made me stand up in genuine surprise and my eyes lighting up when the next thing happens. I know there will be people who won't like being jerked around with something like this, but it's become one of the most unique gaming experiences I've ever had.
I'm just interested in the fact that when Aerith died why did they cut out the whole Cloud releasing her in the water scene. I feel like that's too iconic to cut for no reason.
@bungifish2227 even if so but the problem is aerith lives in a different timeline so when sephiroth combines all timelines together aerith will be alive in the fresh and she will be in the lifestream in the same time
I think that Cloud has had a total mental break down, he would have taken her body to the water, but has now erased the moment from his memory. Choosing to live in delusion.
Septhiroth and aerith are from the original future. They both knew what was going on since the remake everyone were talking about this. Original septhiroth was defeated and went back in time played with reality to kill aerith for one. Aerith knew about this and it's her mission to stop him. The white materia and her losing her memories from the whispers are her losing her memories from her original future self, of the future and different realities.
Honestly, the 3rd game can be the same as the original's final act because the craziness can be considered resolve in this game's ending, but the only thing that will change is that Rufus is now also a nutjob, and Cloud is now a more nutter job. I'm excited to see this super insane Cloud in the 3rd game. Btw, ithe line at the end "No promises at journey's end" is very much a confirmation that the Aerith Cloud keeps on seeing is a hallucination because they made promises at each other, then followed by that line. Nice touch, I say.
It’s truly a tragedy how FF7 is so old, purist aren’t able to discuss in the internet. It’s not just the multiverse which fumbles the ending. But also that Cloud’s words of sadness were turned into Jenova madness without audio. The shock of Aerith’s sudden death in the original is improved by the reaction of Cloud. And also we need not forget the title of this game. “Rebirth”. Obviously the main timeline we follow needs to see Aerith gone otherwise they would have to go back to the drawing board instead of following the beats of FF7 original. However, after the parry we see the sparks of yellow that indicate a decision of splitting timelines. Because multiverse is dumb, it is now obvious that an Aerith is out there now. So that’s where my finger points when setting expectations for the next insane Kingdom Hearts ending of part 3. Since this is a formula. Every Re-sequel of this 3 part game will have an insane ending. And of course they had to. Each game is stand alone. So they need to start small, built up and end on a Sephiroth battle. Thankfully part 3 is the end so they don’t need to break their heads to shove Sephiroth in this time.
I wouldn't go that far... I think due to the additions/changes, part 3's Sepiroth is gonna be something we haven't seen before. Sure there is going to be "Safer" Sephiroth, but OGs Bizzaro Sephiroth already made his appearance at the end of this one. As such, the spectical come the end of 3 will be brand new for everyone, along with his safer form that we all know. I'm willing to wait till the final part is out to cast complete judgement. Tech was limited back in the 90s so for all we know, this is stuff Kitase wanted in the OG but couldn't feasibly apply. He already said alot of the ideas in the remake trilogy were floated about a very long time ago during OGs production. Along with Nomuras influence, it's not surprising this is the end result. I'm no purist when it comes to FF7. I expected changes and additions from the start. But for what it's worth, which ultimately is piddles, they have stayed pretty true to the OG timeline. It really is the OG timeline with twists and turns, just as advertised.
Dude the writing is awful. The new additions are awful. Pointless, and confusing. Idk why they couldn’t just remake the game, instead of giving us this terrible fan-fiction level nonsense.
Can someone explain to me why if there are 2 timelines since they defeated whisper on the highway, and why in main timeline we are playing, you can hear the news exactly same at timeline where Zack survives? (the news is played by the radio at the Kalm's inn)
Multiple Worlds now. Sephiroth explains it after Aerith(2 or 3) gives him(Cloud) the white materia and pushes him into another world. Defying fate had stark consequences. Cloud also comments on being in multiple worlds while walking in the forest on the way to Aerith. But to be more direct, calculate the time it would take a wounded Zack carrying a comatose Cloud all the way to Midgar. Would take some time. By the time they reached Midgar the bombings along with defying fate events would have taken place. My question is how did the overlap takes place. Essentially, Zack survives first world has two Clouds. Remember, even Shinra said one more suspect was missing, one with a buster sword. Yet, Zack brought a comatose Cloud into Midgar. So what happened to the Cloud that was with Avalanche and crew?
Imo, Cloud being able to see Aerith and the rift in the sky is similar to the storyline of Cloud being "Fractured" and he has to be brought back whole by Tifa to find out the true Nibelheim story. While it's definitely not a 1:1 its pulling a lot of it through this storyline though. I expect more choices and more fractures until he hits a boiling point of being thrown into the lifestream w/ Tifa in 3.
Cloud has a vision where in a certain timeline he succumbs and becomes a hooded black robe follower. Also in remake he has a vision where he became one of the failed experiments. Crazy.
Remember all the words aerith said. Remember everything she said. You will understand when recall what she said. About between her and cloud. How their romance and love is true. About how cloud is seeing other realities and still seeing her after she died. About what is going and what is going to happen later on .
I believe that it's not really Glenn standing in front of Rufus but Jenova. Since she can take on the forms of people that others know of. But that's just my theory.
So hang on, there are multiple universes? Why is there only a single Sephiroth then? Surely they would be competing to decide who gets to suck up the lifestream of all the multi-verses?
With Cloud having traveled through timelines as he did, it almost sounds like the Unchained state from Kingdom Hearts, where he could see and interact with more than just the one place.
He saved her at a divergence hence the rainbow colour on his sword, he is now straddling two time lines hence the multiverse ribbon in the sky that only he can see she will be back with Zack in the 'homecoming' the reunion of timelines in part three. but yes shes dead in the main timeline which is why everyone is crying at the end. they literally have tried to have it both ways .... I hate the multiverse
Thanks for this breakdown. I haven't picked up Remake or Rebirth as I don't have the time I once had with the PS1 original to sit down and play anymore.
I think she won't need resurrection even. the Aerith with flower pin (from last date with Cloud) seems to be sort of compilation of all of her versions, since Sephiroth is hunting down exactly her. and he entered the Church in the end *without masamune*. she'll be probably locked somewhere in between so Cloud will have to find and set her free. also could be we'd be given a choice which world Cloud chooses to survive ("7 seconds until the end"). but either way, I see no.point.at.all if we're not getting Aerith to live this time.
@@alwaysloctis "I see no.point.at.all if we're not getting Aerith to live this time." The point is telling a compelling story about sacrifice and loss - all major themes of the original game that still resonate with people.
@BlackSailPass_GuitarCovers we already saw it all, whole Cloud's redemption arc in OG and AC. and the main motto of pretty much all FF series is to defy destiny, so. it's more than it seems for now, you'll see.
@@alwaysloctis I'm not against change, but the changes should improve upon the source material. This Disney 'everyone survives and lives happily' twist is cliche, and the manner of achieving it contrived.
Zack and Cloud are the thing that starts the whole saga of ff7....so i believe that everytime either of THEM, do something that defies thier fate, they unknowingly create another timeline. Cloud. Beat the whispers, TL1. this caused Zack to live, TL2 Zack chooses to cure cloud, TL3 Cloud saved Aerith, TL 4 Zack chooses Biggs, TL 5
I think there's four timelines. It's like the lady in Nibelhiem said about the different types of Mako poisoned soldiers- two types, or is it three, or four?
Six, or maybe seven. At least. OG, Rebirth (Aerith dead), Rebirth branched by Cloud (Aerith alive), assuming it does not merge with another, Zack's, two more branched by Zack, Aerith's (dream date).
With so many timelines I was hoping to see Cloud’s kid with Aerith appear and fight side by side with Could’s daughter with Tifa. Then Zack’s kid with Aerith also joins in the crazy battle before a grown up brown haired solider named Denzel lends a hand with grown up Marlene. That would have been so cool… Secret ending could have been Lucrecia Crescent waking up to tell Sephiroth in the next part that she is actually he’s biological mum.
it a misconception many people like you have, the world is NOT infinite like marvel universe, a world only and ONLY created when the boundary of fate is breached, also some of the created worlds are quickly perishing, like one of zack world in the end getting destroyed by the meteor.
@@fadlanfadilah1171 in all honesty there should have been a Zack in the men’s bathroom having a sh*t reading a newspaper not giving one dam… He found out Aerith doesn’t like him anymore and likes his mate. Not sure in the real world people in that situation would just be cool with it. Hence where’s the heartbroken depressed version of Zack. lol. At the end of the day this is a fantasy game and script writers could change whatever they want
Genuinely hoping Square makes Cloud/Tifa and Aerith/Zack clear in Part 3. There's no need to milk the love triangle anymore at this point, just please give these severely traumatized characters a happy ending after all they've gone through. I think this is what most people want.
This is silly. There literally ALREADY is a resolution lol. I dont understand why this ship war is so dense, it’s not “milking” a love triangle. It’s literally a part of the story and central to characters growth. Cloud and Aerith were starting to fall in love, it’s clear even more so with the ending of Rebirth that those feelings were true. Aerith was the only person to see through Cloud’s facade and naturally brought out the real him. Tifa was much more passive about Cloud’s mental and it isnt until she meets Aerith and Aerith’s death that Cloud completely breaks and Tifa steps up to the plate to put him back together through Aerith’s influence on all of them. To be more bold and forthcoming Love is complex, some people just fit for each other at specific times and life happens a things change. That’s the whole point. Cloud loved Aerith and he loves Tifa. Both couples end up together idk what more of an “answer” shippers want.
@@ISoundMasterBlasterI I agree with you on some things. Aerith obviously has a profound effect on Tifa and Cloud, and it's made obvious that Cloud harbors feelings for both Tifa and Aerith. I agree with all that, although saying he and Aerith are in love is a massive stretch. It's more of a mutual interest in one another, and it basically ends when Aerith tells Cloud "I like you, but I don't LIKE you" at the end. I will say though, Tifa wasn't passive about Cloud's degradation at all. She clearly plays a huge role in supporting Cloud emotionally in Rebirth in a number of scenes. She just keeps certain things hidden bc she doesn't want to make things worse. She's also the one that brings out the real Cloud at moments, and permanently in the end. My real point is that, in the ending to the original game, Cloud and Tifa end up together, but the game isn't straightforward about it. I'd like Part 3 to be straightforward about the fates of all characters this time, for the sake of closure. That's all.
@@mirandalawson2990 I mean how much more straightforward can you get? They live together and basically have an adopted kid together. Tifa in the original was super passive about Cloud’s mental. Speaking from original context. She really doesnt speak out until much much later when they enter the life stream together. Rebirth has it different, because she confides in Aerith and through that we can see he being more proactive about it. I do believe Cloud loves Aerith and vice versa it just never had the time to blossom into something. It’s pretty clear in the original and her new “like” speech at the end isnt ending it is confirming it. Marlene even tells Zack about her feelings towards him. And in Tifa’s date scene Cloud assumes Aerith still harbors feelings for Zack and Tifa looks at him and replies “I think it’s more complicated than that.” Which hints at her feelings towards him as complicated as their situation is. Anyway hope youre enjoying the game, the ship talk can be exhausting and super toxic and lessens the story making the relationships so black and white.
@@ISoundMasterBlasterI Yeah well, Rebirth does indeed add in a lot of things that weren't in the og. Like even I'll admit, I thought if any one girl was going to get a kiss scene w/ Cloud, it'd definitely be Aerith rather than Tifa, but that wasn't the case. The "like" speech I guess I interpreted differently from you, which is fine ... Square seems like they implemented things in a way to where you can draw your own conclusions. But yeah, you're right, this kinda thing does get exhausting. Let's just enjoy the game haha
I think the BIG reveal in the 3rd part wont be about Cloud knowing the truth about himself but whether Aerith lives or not. In the beginning, Sephiroth is making Cloud question himself about whether Tifa is really Tifa but I think this a foreshadow for Aerith's scene. "You know I stabbed her." Coming into terms with this statement will be a huge shock to Cloud. But Aerith also says although the future is set into stone we can still change it. I think this a nice plot twist where Sephiroth is telling the truth but the main characters challenging fate.
I really hope to see part 3 in 2 years, because they only have to reuse all the scenarios they developed in part 1 and part 2 and on top of that they already have a very polished combat system, they just have to add new attacks in synergy with the new characters like Vincent Valentine and Cid. Of course, they have to develop Vincent Valentine and Cid as playable characters. Disc 3 of OG Final Fantasy 7 is very short in the main story, there is not much content to be honest. Let's hope they don't make us wait that long, I bet it will be out in 2 years at most, there shouldn't be any major setbacks. What I would add is greater interaction between some characters that appeared in games like Dierge of Cerberus, such as the Underground group from Intermission, Crissis Core with Cissnei revealing to a Cloud who recovered his memories all the martyrdom that Zack suffered to protect him and also mention in some way the events of Before Crisis.
The fact that the ending even needs to be explained just shows how little Direction they actually had when they were making this game. They took the easy way out and just pulled some stupid ass Multiverse thing like everything else was doing around these last how many years. Really it was just a shity form of fan service everybody still wanted Aerith to survive or be able to be revived.... so instead of giving us that what they did was give us an ending that showed on one of the multiple universes out there Cloud was able to push Aerith out of the way... so when some weird parallel multiple Universe somewhere she lives oh big fucking Joy.. As if they didn't completely ruin this game by over flooding and over stuffing it with minigames out the yin yang they had the completely double down and ruin it by giving us one of the world's most shitiest endings to a video game I would have rather they cut to Black like the demo did or like that last Sopranos episode because even an ending that just cut to nothing would have been better than the bullshit that was that ending that they gave us
@@SoulsLordsNo because the story doesn’t need a multiverse aspect, it just makes the story messy and cheap. It feels like every movie lately has a multiverse.
I love how everyone calls multiverses lazy writing, but they utterly fail to pick up on all the subtleties that are actually there, and don't understand how much exhaustive planning it takes to actually plan all that out. There is nothing directionless in all of this, it just asks the audience to dig a little bit deeper than surface level. You should maybe try that.
My conclusion: It will lead the story line to Advent Children. as the OG Cloud can see The Aerith and Zack from Rebirth. we Jus Play all the Cloud with OG's and Rebirth Consciousness to have a chance to save Aerith in Rebirth. Maybe in Advent Children He still possesses both White and Black Materia. he became the keeper. that's why he always stays away from everyone.
Cloud and Aerith is currently living in 2 different reality, but for Aerith she technical only truly live in one of the reality while being a spectator on another, hence why other party member beside cloud can't perceive her and the rift on the sky.
The ending completely fell apart for me personally. And I genuinely loved majority of the rest of the game and the additions to the OG. The multiverse bullshit is just so unecessary. It felt like things were just happening at the end and im sitting there like wtf is going on?
100% Agree. Literally every chapter, 1-13, was amazing. Then the last chapter was as you said...a freight train of wtf. Massive disappointment. But, still, game was amazing.
Zack does not die when he chooses to go see Biggs or Hojo. It is inconclusive. Most likely he survived, but the main takeaway is multiple timelines exist.
I think ‘’our’’ Aerith is aware of something she is not telling us. In one of the later chapter she explicitly say : ‘’future is not set in stone’’ or something along those lines. Don’t remember the exact setting but the context and her reaction made me think ‘’ big stuff happening in part 3… that we have never seen in the FF7 universe’’
I dont want to play this game anymore because aerith are already death in rebirth...break my heart 💔then next chapter 3 they will make zack death too....not confirmed yet🤔... Then what the point they make zack and aerith back to life and suddenly back to death again😒....Believe me, some gamer must be an unsatisfied emotion for part of this rebirth
it's not the end yet! and Aerith death is a very tricky moment since 1) we obviously see the scene from OG, as we get to see Cloud saying something but we can't hear what - and I bet it's his line from OG "Aerith will never laugh again"; 2) Sephiroth described to Cloud pretty clearly how the new worlds are born and that's what we see during Aerith's "death": glowing appearing (just like when Zack was choosing who to save and invented another timeline) and the breach in the sky (Seph said new world are fragile and we know from C&A date in Ch.14 that people realize their world is dying by the same breach in the sky). Cloud isn't hallucinating in the end, bc others don't see not only A, but also the breach, unlike Cloud who's kinda stuck in two(if not more) worlds at the same time. or we can listen to Sephiroth's "I must admit I underestimated you" line and C&A confidence of what they're doing to suggest they are on up to something to trick Sepbiroth into thinking he's winning again. so just wait and see, it'll be fine❤ there's no single point to return to OG since the whole purpose of Remake is to set things right.
If Aerith didn’t die as the original and in Cloud’s timeline, that would lead to a failed remake adaptation and upset fans who want it but still be heartbreaking. I have been explain that so mant time to people But this takes the cake.
@@alwaysloctis End Rebirth after Aerith’s death makes sense, set up part 3 all the way to the final moment. But i guess Aerith still going to have a big role when Cloud need yo talk to her.
i think i understand much better after intensively researching this over-compilcated ending Let me share my theory of this crazy ending! there must be 3 DIFFERENT timelines with 4 small branches we know so far. So the A timeline is the main reality and where aerith is dead as cloud failed to stop sephorith. however we see a short clip of the long sword hits through the floor with no blood. I believe that implies that cloud actually did save aerith in different timeline which could be in "C" where zack is not in...for now in the A(beagle dog) and C or D? timeline, cloud's team arrives so late after the wall of whispers vanished. This is the most important moment, i believe so. why? when in A, the team is running toward the altar and seeing aerith dying next to cloud. (tragic ending) while in C, they could be running toward the altar and seeing aerith, as usual, is greetin them with iconic smile besides cloud. (happy ending) and biggs should be in the same timeline as them what about B? its where zack is alive and take caring of cloud, marlene, aertith, elymra and biggs. Zack created three small branches of the B (terrier dog). when he had to make a decision whichever does he must save first: --- B,1(still terrier branch) go to shinra's HQ in attempt to save cloud ---B,2 (pug branch) stop biggs from bombing the reactor ---B,3 and/or 4? (shiba inu? spritz branch) zach goes to the church in sector 5 after failing to make a decision . Also i think=thats where the dream date is taken in too? because we watched how cloud is pushed back into light void and glancing sephorith enters the church after sending zack into a dark void which later will be fighting along with cloud briefly. what do u think? lastly, sephorith final boss appeared in three different universe: A- cloud's team except cloud. after winning the battle, the scene returns to the same scene where the team and cloud run toward the altar and see lifeless aerith lying on the cold floor. In cloud's perspective, he can see the white whisper around aerith. it shows they are in the A universe.
B- Zack in the ruined church and later was sent to another universe by aerith's white whisper. Yes, seems they are under the control of her power ( will reveal his location in part 3) C-2- Cloud and Aerith----i really think she is alive. now imagine yourself, after winning the battle against Sephroith monster. Cloud and aerith returns to the altar and greets the team members with smile. see the connection? conclusively, if we see the beagle dog and white whispers, that means we are likely in the main reality. if we see black whispers and different stamp dogs, that means we are likely in alternative realites with no aerith's involvement. What do i mean by aerith's involvement? white whispers sometimes show up when; --- it tries to keep the original tracks in the main universe such as when barret was stabbed by sephroith. ( square enix might be forgetting to change the color of the white whisper) ----it appears as Aerith joins cloud's battle against sephroith -- it appears when zack falls down in the void in ruined church....under the control of aerith's power, i believe so. what do you think about my theory?!
I can’t believe no one noticed this…. When Zack and Cloud are about to fight Sephiroth their fighting pose are different but specifically Zack… look at Zack’s fighting pose and when Is Aerith and Cloud About to fight with Sephiroth Cloud does the Zack fighting pose!! Why?????
Rebirth doesn't explain who the Zack in intermission ending was. Zack in Rebirth already found Aerith the moment he arrived to midgar where the one in intermission was clean and hadn't met Aerith yet. Either there's a retcon or there's another Zack out there.
Oh yeah didn’t think about that because I only saw the video clip once years ago. Wow they really messed up the story. It’s like FF has become Marvel and what’s worse is a lot of these plot threads came straight out FFXIII 2
It’s just Zack. There is no alternate timeline. There is no such thing as time in the lifestream. It’s just one constantly flowing stream of whatever the writers want to portray. This has been the case since original FF7 when Aerith literally comes back to help save the planet from beyond.
The Rufus scene is easy to explain: the robed guys all have Jenova cells and thus are linked to Sephiroth. The Jenova virus can read other's minds and change the host's appearance to be "those we fear, those we love". This robed figure transformed into Glenn because Glenn was someone that Rufus feared or knew well, and this was used by Sephiroth (who can control the robed figures) to distract Rufus from finding Sephiroth and the Promised land (AKA the northern crater). By crippling Shinra with war, they won't have the time nor might to oppose sephiroth's plans, which is line with what sephiroth has been shown to do throughout this entire game, in multiple timelines too.
I know most of the lore already with the small exception of the turks cell phone game and sephiroth first years. But even knowing all the OG and Crisis Core stuff, the story was a bit hard to follow at the end. I can't imagine what it's like for fans who never played the OG or crisis core seeing this ending.
I could be wrong but in the original, aeriths holy materia didn't make a difference? Didn't she end up merging with the life stream to stop meteor? As I said I'm probably wrong lol, been a while
@@e.t.gohome8042 Oh, I haven't bought a new console for 20 years. Just saying that a respectful remake of FFVII is one of the few things that might cause me to change that.
A fair criticism, it was a brilliant routine but they did not stick the landing. When I'm feeling more upset over the fate of a throwaway background character like Roche instead of a main character like Aerith, some balls definitely got dropped. If there were two things from this story that SE HAD to do right it was the Aerith death scene and the scene where Tifa rebuilds Cloud's mind in the lifestream. This isn't filling me with faith that they'll execute the second one any better. But my biggest gripe by far with this game was having to look at Dio's "moose knuckle" for like 40 minutes, but apparently cleavage and jiggles are "problematic"? I really detest two faced hypocrites. My second gripe was Cloud getting benched from the party. I'm going to be getting two or three chapters of that in the last installment of the game, so I didn't need him riding the pine in this one. Those two gripes were more nuisance than game killing. Overall a very great game though, far better than Remake. I only played remake once each on normal and hard and played intermission only once on normal. I beat FF7OG once a year, because it's replay value is through the roof. Remake had no replay value, but I can see myself replaying this title quite a few more times.
This ending left me feeling emotionally empty and I'm finding it hard to pinpoint why. Up until the point Cloud chases after Aerith then gives the black materia to Sepiroth I'd loved everything the game had to offer (a few annoying side quests aside 😅). I'd spent 100hrs laughing, crying, cheering , screaming & shouting and had expressed more bursts of raw emotion than any other game I've played before. But after Cloud gives away the black materia and he and Aerith fall from the tree branch and wake up in that different world/timeline something just didnt click with me. From that point until the credits rolled i didn't say a word or express any emotion. Story beats that should have tugged at my emotions like they had earlier in the game just didn't do anything for me. Aerith being saved/dying. Biggs dying. Multiple Zacks dying(?) after the different choices he made. One Zack surving and fighting with Cloud. The Jenova battle. Aerith world/timeline number 3 (or maybe number 4) appearing of out the void to fight with Cloud. The crew crying over Aeriths body. Tifa almost in the fetal position as she sat on the hill depressed over Aerith dying. Aeriths goodbye (for now). All of these should have left me an emotional wreck but none of it did. I'm not sure if its multiverse fatigue from the Marvel/DC universe that's done it to me or if its just something I've never really enjoyed. I find it hard to become emotionally invested anymore when you can just pluck a dead character from timline "Omega Alpha 777AB.2" and viola nobody needs to be sad anymore because nobody is every really dead. Love triangle you say? Worried you'll lose fans if you make a narrative decision one way or the other? Easy, just have one couple in one universe and the other in a different one. Everybody's happy. It might also have been because so much was happening on screen at once and it jumped around a lot that it never really gave me time to emotionally process what had just happened because I was having to concentrate so hard on wjst wws going on at any given moment. The last time I felt hollow like this after a game ended was Mass Effect 3.
Wouldn't it be funny if we were just playing a dream of Cloud and at the end of the 3rd game we see Cloud wake up from a coma he had suffered when Midgar Sector 7 blew up, sort of like a vision but we all played his vision version. Then Square Enix can put out another FF7 game after the third game and call it "FF7 Reality" or something like that. Of course, I am sure that would upset some fans if that happened but think it would be pretty funny to find out we all just played a dream of Clouds. I seriously doubt this would happen because who wants to go over another set of trilogy games of similar story again but in actual reality.
I kind of like the Arbitors of fate guiding the events towards the cannon of the original games. But my only real complaint is all this multiverse stuff and multiple timelines just muddles an already complete story of the original, Aeriths death in this version is greatly cheapened compared to the original even though it results in her death in the main timeline, the scene itself compared to the original is confusing and lacks the emotional gut punch, they also didn't follow through on maybe my favorite moment from the scene, where Jenova life shows up and instead of boss music, it just continues to play Aeriths theme, letting the player really wallow in the realization that Aerith was gone. I'm not saying this version was bad, but it just can't stack up to the original.
Agree, they had to nail Aeriths death and the multiverse stuff just made the scene a throw away. It's the same in any kind of media, multiverses are lazy boring overly confusing and just plain dumb. Character deaths are meaningless when there's a infinite number of that character alive elsewhere. I'm so bummed by the ending.
@@ReckluseMusic Its crazy because they blew literally every other part of the story out of the park. Junon, Kalm, Costa Del Sol, Gold Saucer, Gongaga, etc. EVERYTHING ELSE was amazing. But Aerith's death was executed so terribly it makes you wonder if it was on purpose. They already showed that she can hop between timelines with all her memories so yea technically she is alive and can show up at any moment in part 3. But I think she'll function like joker did with batman in arkham knight.
@@xanndovo I know, everything else was perfect so it's a shame. But to be fair to them I don't think there was a good point to stop the story and have a good ending for this 2nd part.
If Cloud didn’t hide the black material in his sword then he would have had to give it up to Yuffie. Probably not a good idea leaving it in the hands of a greedy teenager.
No one is talking about Sephiroth trying to control the weapons in the water. I'm pretty sure Sephiroth will succeed in part 3 in making the weapons his pawns, because we gotta get our asses kicked by ruby and emerald on a ps6
I think Cloud is seeing the Aerith that lived and the sky from the over timeline. That is the only thing that makes sense. Otherwise, why does he see the sky? Somehow Cloud is able to see two realities at once.
We don't need a world ending events . Sephiroth was already a well written villain he killed areith and threaten the world with metor while causing cloud psychosis issues in the original . Don't take pages from marvel or DC with multiverses . It's too late know but it's something to take note. Great game don't get me wrong I love any ff prorperty but I can see how non fans of FF will feel. They tried this in kingdom hearts 3 and that was a mess already .
Also that ending sets up part 3 perfectly. Cloud is already mentally shattered and seeing everyone’s reactions like Yuffie at the end it felt like she was coddling a kid, Barret going along with it to ease Tifa but even she’s shocked.
I so wanted Aerith to survive in this version, remake ended telling us it was going to be a new story, and it ended being the same fkcn story, except they cut vincent and cid story. -_-
Just finished it. I hate the multiverse bullshit. Aeriths death scene is totally ruined, is she dead? Who gives a shit she's alive in some other timeline so what does it matter. The scene lost all impact. I loved the game but the last chapter story wise is just awful. Sephiroth is also way less effective as a villain because who even knows what he's doing, his intentions from the original game made him way more frightening. Also the design of the planets weapons are dumb as hell, giant friendly looking whales? I'm surprised how bad they look as everything else design wise in the game is perfect. I loved the game but at the same time feel disappointed by it.
I dont think Lodbrock has any special powers. Hes dead and has been for a while. I think Lodbrock is just Jenova since Jenova can take on any form it wants using the clones
Probably in Rebirth the black whispers are meant to hinder good acts, and white whispers to aid good acts. Apparently the gray whispers in Remake to "keep fate in check" weren't purposeful enough. If only the writers had the mental discipline to not stray away from the storyline, there won't be a need for whispers to intervene each time the story takes a pointless turn of events. E.g. If Sephiroth didn't appear at Shinra HQ to stab Barret, the whispers needn't intervene to revive Barret. At this point the writers are so lost in their obsession to invoke a different timeline only to force Aerith, Zack and Sephiroth to be front and center of everything. The whispers have become so convoluted and redundant, just a convenient quick fix whenever the writer gets stuck with their new plots. I wouldn't be surprised if in part 3 Square Enix decides to introduce green whispers to serve the will of the lifestream and have have them float all over the weapons fights. Or red whispers to serve the will of Jenova and have them float all over the northern crater. Or hell, Cloud may even get his own golden whispers as he wields them to create his own timeline at the edge of creation or something, and the golden whispers help to bring back Aerith and Zack into his reality. After all Square has already gone so far down the slippery slope of lazy writing.
Maybe shorter this time the Creators said they have a lot done thxs to the game they just Released. They said there gonna use the same map an stuff an Improve it. So i might be out faster than you think
I feel like there are so many people in the comments watching this video to help them decide whether or not they like the game. Skipping to the end just to see if it's good makes no sense to me 😂
NGL that was me, I finish the main story yesterday ( I didn’t even cry about Aerith) because I was so confused, I didn’t even enjoy the final bosses, I needed help to understand
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When Cloud deflects Sephiroth's attack on Aerith, you see the rainbow prism appear, meaning Cloud DOES indeed create a reality where Aerith lives. We're just following the world where she doesn't. It's just like when Zack choses to go to Shinra instead of Biggs and creates a world where he goes to Biggs instead.
Agreed, In fact, I've compiled a list of evidences that seem to indicate not only Aerith's death being in doubt, but Cloud's visions may be more than just the side-effects of Mako:
-The team goes through a portal in the first game.
-Zack is alive in another dimension/timeline thanks to the Whispers, along with Biggs.
-Marlene (who never saw Sephiroth) described who Sephiroth was to Zack and that Cloud needed to wake up to save Aerith. Does that indicate Zack needed to know that?
-We have dueling Whispers.
-Cloud has commented about knowing stuff he shouldn't know and having different versions of events compared with other people (lending to the idea that he is being given this information for some
reason).
-Tifa had some visions of events when she fell into the Mako (negating the idea that Mako is corrupting someone's memories).
-Sephiroth seems to be trying to control the outcome by creating different dimensions/timelines, making it so that Aerith can't stop him in one dimension/timeline.
-When Cloud deflects Sephiroth's attack, a rainbow pattern is shown. This has shown up every time Zack made a desision in his world, emphasizing a dimension/timeline has formed because of his desision.
-Zack and Cloud from different dimensions/timelines merged into one to attempt to defeat Sephiroth.
-The Whisperers brought Aerith back for one more fight against Sephiroth (bringing in the question of where they pulled her from).
-Zack is still alive in, at least, one dimension/timeline with a comatose yet alive Aerith.
@@renegade637 I agree with most of what you said. Just two different takes from my perspective.
- Sephiroth isn't creating the new worlds or dimensions, he appears to only be able to jump between them and insert a certain level of influence and control over them to manipulate fate.
- The Aerith that appears at the end to help Cloud fight I don't think is from another world or dimension, I think it's the deceased Aerith that emerges from the LifeStream to help him, then returns to the LifeStream after the battle is done. I think the Aerith that Zack is begging Cloud to save is the comatose Aerith from his initial timeline. Zach seems to have multiple timelines going on and is potentially even jumping between them.
@@NexusNine Well, won't argue about Sephiroth. As for Aerith being dead, I suppose Aerith is deceased in the reality that Sephiroth managed to shift/leap into at the last second. But, then that leaves at least two potential Aeriths that may or may not have an effect on the third game: the Aerith from Zack's reality that Marlene seems to indicate will have some importance later on and the Aerith from the reality that Cloud spun off from the deflection. Although, I feel like there's some link between all the versions of Aerith. I'm not necessarily going into the Aerith from the original FF7 is communicating with the Aerith from Remake. It's more like her being a Cetra seems to be more significant this time around. She can talk to Cloud in his dreams or subconscious, she alludes to future knowledge that she has, she makes comments about how certain things are not supposed to be happening, and there's a continuing emphasis that she is the key to defeating Sephiroth. Seeing as how Zack and Cloud can see the tear in the sky after Aerith's death, I can't help but wonder if the creators intend for an even bigger role for Cloud, Zack, and Aerith vs Sephiroth in the third game.
@@renegade637 Cloud is also the only party member that made it through the whisper barrier to go after Aerith this time. Might be why he sees the sky different then the rest of the party, and can see alternate Aerith.
@@crossair777 "Cloud is also the only party member that made it through the whisper barrier to go after Aerith this time. Might be why he sees the sky different then the rest of the party, and can see alternate Aerith." And Zack being able to see the tear as well lends proof to the idea that not only is Cloud NOT seeing things (which was originally because of the Mako degradation and the original story idea that his mind was fracturing), he must understand the different realities after being shown them by Sephiroth and realizes the Aerith he talks to before leaving is the Aerith in the "deflection" reality. (Although, I find myself hard pressed to explain why "deflection" Aerith is being left behind so to speak.) In that case, it's going to be interesting to see how they plan on connecting all these realities back together for part 3.
So the remake/rebirth is Aerith playing new game plus while Sephiroth bumps up the difficulty
Its Sephiroth's salty runback.
Best explanation I've seen.
But Aerith's a pro. She's getting shit done regardless 👏
That's about it. Sephy sore loser
The hardest part is to now have to wait 4 years for the next one
When they finished remake they released it smack dab in the middle of the COVID lockdowns, hopefully they can get it out faster now that there's no lockdown.
2027 for the 30th anniversary of FF7 is the hope. I'm honestly surprised they cranked out a game this large in basically 3.5 years during the pandemic to boot. I think most of the technical challenges and groundwork are done enough to the point where hopefully the last game will be out even sooner.
my thoughts exactly
ff7 remake came out in early pandemic before the lockdown moron !! @@timothymarcoux6569
It probably will be 4 years, but they have a lot going for them to be able to release sooner. No lockdown year(s), game engine already in place, however many years of experience with said engine, mostly the same dev crew throughout production, etc. 2 years would be crazy but 3 is reasonable.
Lodbrok is Jenova. The original is dead by Rufus Shinra’s hand. But that’s one of her abilities is to shape shift. In the Temple of the Ancients they even say “She stole the faces of the dead.”
I second this. Even Sephiroth says she can take on the form of those people hate, love and fear. It would make sense. Especially if Sephiroth appeared to Rufus. That's not Lodbrock taking on new powers. That's Jenova using Lodbrok's face to get into Rufus' head. Hence even why there are some very familiar Cloud like brain zaps that happen right as Sephiroth revealed himself to Rufus
Lodbrok was one of my favorite parts of the game. It really sold that Cloud isn't just going nuts, Jenova really does have these powers, and she really can affect everyone around her.
Was wondering if anyone was gonna catch onto that.
Rebirth's ending was such an emotional roller coaster for me. I can't even count how many times my heart soared and sank when I thought Aeirth was alive or dead. Just like with Remake, I have so many questions about where Rebirth will go with the next game and I love it.
Cloud saved her and it split the timeline. There's one where Aerith died and one where she is alive. Cloud can actively see both worlds together, which is why he sees Aerith alive. The others can only see her dead. Also why he can only see the rift in the sky, when the others can't
Yep. There's some good supporting evidence for this too. If you go back and look at the moment where Sephiroth's sword sticks into the floor, and then it flashes to another shot where you see the pool of blood appear, the 2 shots of his sword are actually in DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. You can see based on the pattern on the floor. The sword moves like a few feet away and completely changes angle as well. To me that strongly suggests that what they were showing is 2 different outcomes. Not the same outcome with Cloud being delusional (because why would something like that change based on his confusion)
@@garywood97 Not only that when Cloud walks up to Aerith laying on the floor after we "defeat" Seph, the rest of the party isn't visible in the POV of the "other timeline" that he created when he stopped Seph from stabbing Aerith. Since the party wasn't there to witness that event they only see Aerith dead while Cloud is experiencing two at the same time.
It's kinda like the expressway of the Part 1 remake. If one of the party members stayed behind and didn't enter the portal to fight Seph and the arbiters of fate, they wouldn't be able to see any of the changes in that timeline. But since they all went in they see and experience everything together.
I’ve heard that it’s possible the vision of cloud saving her could also be what sephiroth wants cloud to see. It flashes green like it does whenever sephiroth is manipulating him. So the divide would be between reality and what cloud’s mind perceived (him saving Aerith) and what really happened( her being killed). It’s just conjecture but it’s an interesting idea
This actually makes alot of sense, I couldn't understand why Tifa was crying and Cloud wasn't, in the original game, Cloud was pretty hurt by Aerith's death.
@@jeffreyfitch1006 Yea but we do see him crying here though when she is bleeding out in his arms while sephiroth is talking smack?...i don't get it. The whole party is grieving her at the end and cloud is well, content?, happy even?. How is it that he perceives multiple timelines, one where she dies and one where he saves her but can't even act normal when his friends are grieving her death?. Like clearly he sees aerith in some form in the final cutscene but can't seem to realize his friends literally just saw her die? He just isnt't acting the way he should be which is bothering me. My first guess was that he is just seeing aeriths spirit but in that case why is he happy?...she died. It doesn't add up.
This is pretty much a sequel to the original game. The term remake means remade timeline which is pretty much Sephiroths plan to combine every dimension together so he can destroy it all. The game still is going through all the events of the OG game and will still lead to advent children and Sephiroth will still lose regardless.
Its just a retelling with add ons… stop with the sequel shits omg its just remaking a story to make it more interesting compared to the original and im fine with that but dont expect zack and aerith to be alive they gone for good.
@@Kise1652 I don’t think they will be alive either by end, they’ll still die like they always do otherwise it wouldn’t be final fantasy and it wouldn’t lead to advent children.
@@Kise1652clearly they will be. Pretty obvious with all this lame multiverse/timeline stuff that by the end, there will be worlds where those two reunited and got to be happy together. Square doesn’t have the guts anymore.
Mark my words, someone pin this comment. That 3rd games ending is gonna be there to appease the fans. “Oh Zack finally got to be with Aerith, oh look at that world, Cloud finally got to be happy with Aerith, oh Tifa finally got Cloud!”
@@hypeman1825sounds like a good thing. I'm down for all of that
I think a new timeline has been created in which Cloud could save Aerith. Because as you see, when Aerith lied down on Cloud's hands, The game constantly switched between two images. One relate to the OG timeline in which Aerith was bloody and Cloud Saying somethings just like the OG one: Like " Aerith can't laugh or become angry anymore" . Another image showed us that Cloud was crying and non-bloody Aerith lied on his hand and No one else in the party like Tifa, Barret,etc... could see it. And on that timeline we're seeing Aerith is alive and touching Cloud's face and open her Eyes. And then they defeated Sephiroth together in the last bossfight. Bro we saw Aerith thanked Cloud for saving her. And saphiroth said he underestimated Cloud. In the end of that bossfight when sephiroth defeated, you can see Sephiroth dropped on his knees and really failed to defeat Cloud and Aerith on that timeline. There's no sense of Aerith's spirit fight alongside Cloud Bro.
and here's my fucking prediction for the part three tho. You see:
End of part one: Zack survived in an alternative timeline.
End of part two: Aerith survived in another alternative timeline.
And in part three we'll see this Trio(Zack, Aerith, Cloud) fight with sephiroth. Because of a reason:
Sephiroth wants to combine all timelines this time and then destroy them all together. So after we see combination of timelines, this Trio will fight with sephiroth and Sephiroth will kill Aerith and Zack. Because as you know: they had to die. Its their destiny. After that, Cloud will fight lonely with shirtless sephiroth and the rest will the same as the OG.
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Sorry for my bad English.
That would actually be a great way to end things in part 3. Thx for mentioning the Aerith dialogue, I'm convinced the Aerith that fifgts alongside Cloud in the last last Sephiroth boss fight was the Aerith saved by Cloud during Sephy skewer attempt
That's a good one but you miss one fact, in the remake when the group defeated the arbiter of fate they are no longer bound to their individual destiny that's why the unknown journey.
I don't think I've seen anyone mention that the holy materia is not glowing green after Aerith dies like in the OG, which indicated that the planet had accepted her prayers. Unless I'm color blind to whatever shade of green they're using here, or I'm misremembering the story. I interpreted Cloud seeing the sky split that they are in a doomed timeline due to that. But, the ending is nothing if not a bit confusing I suppose. Also, I interpreted the rainbow colors when Cloud deflects the blade as creating an alternate timeline, which explains why all the party members start the fight with a limit break ready, but Cloud doesn't. Cloud got to experience all of the emotions of succeeding in saving Aerith, but also was taken back to the OG timeline where that version of him failed. This ability to tap into those emotions is alluded to in Remake where he sheds a tear when he has that death premonition for Aerith.
Cloud being able to see the rift in the sky has 1 of 2 meanings imo:
1. The current timeline he's in (the main remake one) is doomed to fail as you said. At the end of remake when Sephiroth speaks to cloud at the edge of creation, he looks at the dying galaxy and says "our world will become a part of it" and "I won't let our world, nor you". Thinking about this again, Sephiroth wants to conquer all worlds, and so he seeks to defy destiny and "save" this world from its supposedly inevitable destruction with cloud's help. Obviously cloud refuses, but its clear that Sephiroth had the idea that this current world was doomed. Also, it makes sense as to why the whispers took Aerith's memories and the power of the white materia; this timeline was doomed from the start.
2. The less likely possibility is that cloud is seeing other timelines. So the rift in the sky is from another timeline, not the current remake one. But the evidence points to option 1 being more likely.
Lastly, I have no clue about Aerith in the final cutscene. I think the Aerith he is seeing a spirit ghost from the lifestream, or it could be the Aerith from the timeline that he saved... the line "It's like a second home" could refer to the other timeline, or the lifestream in the current timeline. I'm not sure what form/which Aerith cloud is seeing now that I've read so many comments. Or it could just be clouds broken mind mixing all of this together and he's just hallucinating, we'll find out in 3-4 years haha
Point 2 IS the correct as he can see both timelines at the same time (being the newest the one he created when saving Aerith).
Point 2 is correct, also the rift seems to appear when a new world is created, not because it will die. It's a world that should not exist, but that doea not mean it will die soon necessarily. It's just that the worlds we see with a rift are doomed for one reason or another. Example: Aerith surviving dooms the world because remember, not only Holy needs to be cast to stop meteor, the lifestream needs to help too, and Aerith needs to be in the lifestream for it to happen
Aerith dies in the main timeline. She's alive in at least 1.
Cloud DOES save Aerith and creates a timeline. It's THIS Aerith he speaks to and sees eveywhere. They're seperated by timelines but her power over the lifestream let's her talk with Cloud. Watch her death closely. Aerith puts Cloud in a bubble where she talks to him and he asks her to wake up she does and smiles at him. The whole party thinks she's dead because she is in their timeline but Cloud knows when the world's merge she'll rejoin them.
Don't forget, Cloud is the only 1 Aerith let's into destiny's crossroads outside the forgotten capital. In doing so ONLY Cloud can change her fate and see the results. The rest of the party see's her fate as destiny ordained like in OG. It's why Tifa see's them talking and then it glitches to a dead Aerith and blood. Cloud and Aerith's new timeline is overlapping with the party at the same time. Same as the end of remake when Zack walks past the party. Exact time, different timelines but at that point only Aerith could sense it because she's Cetra.
So at the very end she promises to keep praying for Holy in the capital which she can't do if she's dead (she also has her ribbon and materia) and leaves Sephiroth to Cloud.
This explanation in the video is so poor. It explains what the player sees, not what's actually happening.
Someone that really understood what hsppen there.
Congrats.
Bravo for getting it. You are a shining light in a sea of detritus lol
If this new remake thing is gonna be linked to Advent Children, all I can imagine is Zack and Aerith meeting each other in one of those "timeline worlds" and helping cloud and others from there.
it is already linked to AC. it's a sequel to it.
No it's not, you're simply buying into dumb youtube fan theories... stop spreading nonsense, call it what it is, a THEORY! You sound like Ben Shapiro arguing about the existence of god...@@alwaysloctis
@@alwaysloctis how can it be linked to ac if it is a sequel? It means the events will change right?
@GodOfAI_ yes. Sephiroth didn't die completely in OG/AC verse as we remember and so he managed to interfere in another timelines to so to say try again, and Aerith followed to stop him (I believe those Sephiroth and Aerith are ones in the Church scene in Chapter 14, as Seph says "so this is where you've been hiding" pointing OG Aerith was on the run from him between worlds and once she dragged Cloud to her ("their") place Sephiroth discovered her. though he came to her without masamune which I believe to be important in the question of Aerith's survival (OG Seph knows things didn't really play out for him when he killed her last time)
Imagine Zack looking like Advent Cloud with the one sleeve and the multiple swords.
7:28 Tifa see two Aerith there, one with blood on her, the other with”current” Aerith.
It will be interesting how things will evolve, would be cool to somehow bring Aerith back, through the Zack timeline where she is in coma.
Aerith apparently knew about her death, Marlene got a glimpse of it. That’s why she ask Zack to save her.
End Rebirth in this point makes sense after Aerith dies, the rest of FF7 saga will conclude and i think Aerith will still have a big role but only Cloud know, part 3 will be fantastic just like Remake and Rebirth.
This video touches on it a little bit but I think it's moreso that Cloud has actually gone somehow even further into madness and delusion and is completely denying Aerith's death when it did actually happen. Also Sephiroth's exact line following this in that scene: "You'll never see the truth with such clouded eyes..."
This is also why he is acting normal in the ending scenes whereas all the other members are grieving and also why he is seeing her where the others are not. Another interesting gameplay detail is that in the beginning of the Jenova Lifeclinger fight Cloud is the only party member without a full limit break gauge, implying that the others are in a heightened emotional state after witnessing Aerith's death whereas Cloud is not in this state unlike the original game (evidently in retrospect this limit break thing is something they wanted to do in the original game but didn't).
They are really playing with fire here but I think the payoff could be immense in the climax of Cloud's character arc in the next game when he regains his true self and comes to realize that Aerith is in fact dead - if this is true I can see that this is when they would show the water burial scene, one of the most iconic scenes, that they have hidden here.
didn't red xiii sense aerith at the end though? I think it's just her presence via the lifestream, like how in the OG aerith died but her presence was still there to save the world but now it's a more physical sense
@@oliverfletcher8535yes he did sense her
1 word; Tifa.
@@oliverfletcher8535yh, even right at the end the last shot when aerith was watching and seeing them off in the bronco, it was so similar to that one art in the OG where she staring at the highwind (even though she is dead before getting the highwind).
cant wait to see cloud break even more in part 3
Cloud is ill but he is not hallucinating aerith. That's her spirit. Only he can see her and other realities because of his connection with aerith and having gone to different realities as well. Red can feel her presence so she is real as a lifestream spirit.
Here's my theory. So I believe that FFVII remake/rebirth has its own timeline. After Aerith's death in the FFVII OG, she communicate with Aerith in the Zack's timeline. The reason Aerith gives the Holy Materia is to create new timeline where she is alive. So we have OG timeline, Zack Timeline, Rebirth timeline where Aerith dies (and Cloud become evil because of the black materia), and Rebirth timeline where Aerith alive (this is where Cloud meets Aerith in the dream).
I believe the Zack scene in intermission ending takes place after Aerith meets Sephiroth in the church, which gives us answer that she might die or prisioned by sephiroth (since he does not bring his sword). The question now is where Part 3 could take place. My theory is that Zack might jump to Aerith survives timeline helping Cloud in evil Cloud's timeline, to ensure that the outcome will resemble the OG timeline. I believe that the outcome will align with the OG, considering what happens after playing Rebirth. They're try to present anew story while still retaining the core events of the OG.
That seems to track. I'll have to rewatch those earlier moments
I agree and I'm not in the butthurt crowd. I like what they have done. People need to remember they didn't have to make this remake trilogy but they are and thank goodness we are lucky to experience it with the best characters in any medium
In Part 3, I have a feeling that we will have 2 storylines, Cloud and Zack. Zack will meet Aerith and, for the first time, fight alongside Zack, to help Cloud while keeping the ending just like OG. This will answer the AC part, where Zack and Aerith appearing is not as ghosts, but they are in a different timeline. And Cloud can see them because of the Lifestream thing. CMIIW.
Hope they not changing Palmer get hit by truck scene or Don Cornell fall from Da Chao Statue on part 3...
Looks like Sephiroth is doing an Ultimecia story.
So basically they turn FF7, into FF8 plot, where Ultimacia wanted to compressed all timelines into one
Damn they remade VII into VIII’s plot that is wild, I never would have thought that, but you right fam
I was thinking the same thing. This is becoming FF8. At least, it seems that way so far lol.
Really though? Were those actually alternate timelines?? I don't remember it that way. I thought that was just the future, and the past was "compressed".
Which is still just one timeline.
I thought the same thing while following this game
The rift can also be seen behind heavy clouds over Midgar when you’re sailing the Tiny Bronco to the Temple. It’s very faint, but you can see it.
Through replaying the original game, I noticed that during the sequence when Tifa fixes Cloud's mind and visit his true memories we can see some very similar tear in the environment around. It almost feels like those alternate realities only exists inside the life stream and the main one is a physical world.
That aerith death was even worse than the first. I was reliving my childhood and screamed when cloud clashed swords with sephiroth!!! I paused the game and hoot and hollered for a few minutes. Unpaused the game only to see the blood on masumune.... and was instabtly deflated
Too early. Inflate yourself back. Looks like Cloud saved her, but he was alone at the "Destiny's Crossroads", so only for him that change was observable.
@@netfan7117can you explain?
Edit. I see it now too! I love the ending and that Cloud's actions created a parallel world where he saved Aerith.
Part 3 is going to be epic
Same
as someone who played the original years ago, I am loving this!!!!!! I appreciate that they are not copy pasting events!
I think it was pretty clear when cloud deflected the sword it created an alternate world where Aerith survived. He’s experiencing both realities at the same time which is why it cuts back and forth simultaneously with being dead and alive.
It hasn’t really been established yet on the story that the Jenova cells in clouds body manipulated his thoughts and actions so it doesn’t really make much sense to skip ahead to that yet this early on.
I legit ignored the prompts and felt like it would force me pull those trigger buttons. I felt like I made a choice, the right choice and it shook me to my core when the prompts faded away to continue the scene. Cloud saving Aerith made me stand up in genuine surprise and my eyes lighting up when the next thing happens. I know there will be people who won't like being jerked around with something like this, but it's become one of the most unique gaming experiences I've ever had.
I'm just interested in the fact that when Aerith died why did they cut out the whole Cloud releasing her in the water scene. I feel like that's too iconic to cut for no reason.
Aerith is alive
Saving it for part 3. They definitely will show the real full scene played out in the pov of like tifa or Barret of what truly happened
@bungifish2227 even if so but the problem is aerith lives in a different timeline so when sephiroth combines all timelines together aerith will be alive in the fresh and she will be in the lifestream in the same time
@@bungifish2227wait ur saying cloud killed aerith then and that’s maybe why tifa didn’t talk to him at the end scene
I think that Cloud has had a total mental break down, he would have taken her body to the water, but has now erased the moment from his memory. Choosing to live in delusion.
Septhiroth and aerith are from the original future. They both knew what was going on since the remake everyone were talking about this. Original septhiroth was defeated and went back in time played with reality to kill aerith for one. Aerith knew about this and it's her mission to stop him. The white materia and her losing her memories from the whispers are her losing her memories from her original future self, of the future and different realities.
I wonder if that pattern on the ground on 9:28 is intentional. Does it mean that all timelines end with Aerith's death or maybe begin.
Good eye and thought
Honestly, the 3rd game can be the same as the original's final act because the craziness can be considered resolve in this game's ending, but the only thing that will change is that Rufus is now also a nutjob, and Cloud is now a more nutter job. I'm excited to see this super insane Cloud in the 3rd game.
Btw, ithe line at the end "No promises at journey's end" is very much a confirmation that the Aerith Cloud keeps on seeing is a hallucination because they made promises at each other, then followed by that line. Nice touch, I say.
It’s truly a tragedy how FF7 is so old, purist aren’t able to discuss in the internet.
It’s not just the multiverse which fumbles the ending. But also that Cloud’s words of sadness were turned into Jenova madness without audio.
The shock of Aerith’s sudden death in the original is improved by the reaction of Cloud.
And also we need not forget the title of this game. “Rebirth”. Obviously the main timeline we follow needs to see Aerith gone otherwise they would have to go back to the drawing board instead of following the beats of FF7 original.
However, after the parry we see the sparks of yellow that indicate a decision of splitting timelines.
Because multiverse is dumb, it is now obvious that an Aerith is out there now. So that’s where my finger points when setting expectations for the next insane Kingdom Hearts ending of part 3.
Since this is a formula. Every Re-sequel of this 3 part game will have an insane ending.
And of course they had to. Each game is stand alone. So they need to start small, built up and end on a Sephiroth battle. Thankfully part 3 is the end so they don’t need to break their heads to shove Sephiroth in this time.
I wouldn't go that far... I think due to the additions/changes, part 3's Sepiroth is gonna be something we haven't seen before. Sure there is going to be "Safer" Sephiroth, but OGs Bizzaro Sephiroth already made his appearance at the end of this one. As such, the spectical come the end of 3 will be brand new for everyone, along with his safer form that we all know.
I'm willing to wait till the final part is out to cast complete judgement. Tech was limited back in the 90s so for all we know, this is stuff Kitase wanted in the OG but couldn't feasibly apply. He already said alot of the ideas in the remake trilogy were floated about a very long time ago during OGs production. Along with Nomuras influence, it's not surprising this is the end result.
I'm no purist when it comes to FF7. I expected changes and additions from the start. But for what it's worth, which ultimately is piddles, they have stayed pretty true to the OG timeline. It really is the OG timeline with twists and turns, just as advertised.
Dude the writing is awful. The new additions are awful. Pointless, and confusing. Idk why they couldn’t just remake the game, instead of giving us this terrible fan-fiction level nonsense.
Can someone explain to me why if there are 2 timelines since they defeated whisper on the highway, and why in main timeline we are playing, you can hear the news exactly same at timeline where Zack survives? (the news is played by the radio at the Kalm's inn)
Multiple Worlds now. Sephiroth explains it after Aerith(2 or 3) gives him(Cloud) the white materia and pushes him into another world. Defying fate had stark consequences. Cloud also comments on being in multiple worlds while walking in the forest on the way to Aerith.
But to be more direct, calculate the time it would take a wounded Zack carrying a comatose Cloud all the way to Midgar. Would take some time. By the time they reached Midgar the bombings along with defying fate events would have taken place.
My question is how did the overlap takes place. Essentially, Zack survives first world has two Clouds. Remember, even Shinra said one more suspect was missing, one with a buster sword. Yet, Zack brought a comatose Cloud into Midgar. So what happened to the Cloud that was with Avalanche and crew?
@@Haniff-hh1jz it supposed to be 2 separate worlds
@@loner1512it was.. now it’s dozens.. I’m not really all that excited about it either lol.
Imo, Cloud being able to see Aerith and the rift in the sky is similar to the storyline of Cloud being "Fractured" and he has to be brought back whole by Tifa to find out the true Nibelheim story. While it's definitely not a 1:1 its pulling a lot of it through this storyline though. I expect more choices and more fractures until he hits a boiling point of being thrown into the lifestream w/ Tifa in 3.
Glenn is a former soldier that’s why Sephiroth can control him.
a former solider, wutai spy, and now a seppy clone. he needs to pick a lane lol
fans theorize Glenn to be Cloud's biological father. He knows Sepiroth for the first soldier.
@aileene-ez9gx that would cool if its confirmed as cannon
we will play as an alternate Cloud the one with Mako Poisoning
the original Cloud will turn evil, that's my theory
Cloud has a vision where in a certain timeline he succumbs and becomes a hooded black robe follower. Also in remake he has a vision where he became one of the failed experiments. Crazy.
Remember all the words aerith said. Remember everything she said. You will understand when recall what she said. About between her and cloud. How their romance and love is true. About how cloud is seeing other realities and still seeing her after she died. About what is going and what is going to happen later on .
I believe that it's not really Glenn standing in front of Rufus but Jenova. Since she can take on the forms of people that others know of. But that's just my theory.
Zack doesn’t die in the alternate timeline but Aerith is alive in one time line
I wonder if Part 3 will be a PS6 Exclusive?
So hang on, there are multiple universes? Why is there only a single Sephiroth then? Surely they would be competing to decide who gets to suck up the lifestream of all the multi-verses?
doesnt make sense does it
With Cloud having traveled through timelines as he did, it almost sounds like the Unchained state from Kingdom Hearts, where he could see and interact with more than just the one place.
He saved her at a divergence hence the rainbow colour on his sword, he is now straddling two time lines hence the multiverse ribbon in the sky that only he can see she will be back with Zack in the 'homecoming' the reunion of timelines in part three. but yes shes dead in the main timeline which is why everyone is crying at the end.
they literally have tried to have it both ways .... I hate the multiverse
I think the pain they make us go through everytime we see Aerith’s death…deserves a change of ending making it more conclusive and happy
Aerith is still alive
@@latinalover26 in an another timeline
@@dylan2335 WHEN sephiroth combine all timelines together...the werith we save comes back to the party
@@latinalover26 she only comes back to help cloud fight him 😂🤦🏽♂️
is tifa going to save cloud from mako poisoning and repair his mind in part 3
is there a reason why tifa is not saying anything to cloud at all in the end of rebirth?
Thanks for this breakdown. I haven't picked up Remake or Rebirth as I don't have the time I once had with the PS1 original to sit down and play anymore.
Mark my words, in the final game they're going to 'resurrect Aeris from an alternate timeline'.
I think she won't need resurrection even. the Aerith with flower pin (from last date with Cloud) seems to be sort of compilation of all of her versions, since Sephiroth is hunting down exactly her. and he entered the Church in the end *without masamune*. she'll be probably locked somewhere in between so Cloud will have to find and set her free.
also could be we'd be given a choice which world Cloud chooses to survive ("7 seconds until the end").
but either way, I see no.point.at.all if we're not getting Aerith to live this time.
@@alwaysloctis "I see no.point.at.all if we're not getting Aerith to live this time."
The point is telling a compelling story about sacrifice and loss - all major themes of the original game that still resonate with people.
@BlackSailPass_GuitarCovers we already saw it all, whole Cloud's redemption arc in OG and AC. and the main motto of pretty much all FF series is to defy destiny, so.
it's more than it seems for now, you'll see.
@@alwaysloctis I'm not against change, but the changes should improve upon the source material. This Disney 'everyone survives and lives happily' twist is cliche, and the manner of achieving it contrived.
You're dellusional
Zack and Cloud are the thing that starts the whole saga of ff7....so i believe that everytime either of THEM, do something that defies thier fate, they unknowingly create another timeline.
Cloud. Beat the whispers, TL1.
this caused Zack to live, TL2
Zack chooses to cure cloud, TL3
Cloud saved Aerith, TL 4
Zack chooses Biggs, TL 5
I think there's four timelines. It's like the lady in Nibelhiem said about the different types of Mako poisoned soldiers- two types, or is it three, or four?
Six, or maybe seven. At least. OG, Rebirth (Aerith dead), Rebirth branched by Cloud (Aerith alive), assuming it does not merge with another, Zack's, two more branched by Zack, Aerith's (dream date).
With so many timelines I was hoping to see Cloud’s kid with Aerith appear and fight side by side with Could’s daughter with Tifa. Then Zack’s kid with Aerith also joins in the crazy battle before a grown up brown haired solider named Denzel lends a hand with grown up Marlene. That would have been so cool…
Secret ending could have been Lucrecia Crescent waking up to tell Sephiroth in the next part that she is actually he’s biological mum.
it a misconception many people like you have, the world is NOT infinite like marvel universe, a world only and ONLY created when the boundary of fate is breached, also some of the created worlds are quickly perishing, like one of zack world in the end getting destroyed by the meteor.
@@fadlanfadilah1171 in all honesty there should have been a Zack in the men’s bathroom having a sh*t reading a newspaper not giving one dam… He found out Aerith doesn’t like him anymore and likes his mate. Not sure in the real world people in that situation would just be cool with it. Hence where’s the heartbroken depressed version of Zack. lol.
At the end of the day this is a fantasy game and script writers could change whatever they want
Genuinely hoping Square makes Cloud/Tifa and Aerith/Zack clear in Part 3. There's no need to milk the love triangle anymore at this point, just please give these severely traumatized characters a happy ending after all they've gone through. I think this is what most people want.
This is silly. There literally ALREADY is a resolution lol. I dont understand why this ship war is so dense, it’s not “milking” a love triangle. It’s literally a part of the story and central to characters growth. Cloud and Aerith were starting to fall in love, it’s clear even more so with the ending of Rebirth that those feelings were true. Aerith was the only person to see through Cloud’s facade and naturally brought out the real him.
Tifa was much more passive about Cloud’s mental and it isnt until she meets Aerith and Aerith’s death that Cloud completely breaks and Tifa steps up to the plate to put him back together through Aerith’s influence on all of them. To be more bold and forthcoming
Love is complex, some people just fit for each other at specific times and life happens a things change. That’s the whole point. Cloud loved Aerith and he loves Tifa. Both couples end up together idk what more of an “answer” shippers want.
@@ISoundMasterBlasterI I agree with you on some things. Aerith obviously has a profound effect on Tifa and Cloud, and it's made obvious that Cloud harbors feelings for both Tifa and Aerith. I agree with all that, although saying he and Aerith are in love is a massive stretch. It's more of a mutual interest in one another, and it basically ends when Aerith tells Cloud "I like you, but I don't LIKE you" at the end.
I will say though, Tifa wasn't passive about Cloud's degradation at all. She clearly plays a huge role in supporting Cloud emotionally in Rebirth in a number of scenes. She just keeps certain things hidden bc she doesn't want to make things worse. She's also the one that brings out the real Cloud at moments, and permanently in the end.
My real point is that, in the ending to the original game, Cloud and Tifa end up together, but the game isn't straightforward about it. I'd like Part 3 to be straightforward about the fates of all characters this time, for the sake of closure. That's all.
@@mirandalawson2990 I mean how much more straightforward can you get? They live together and basically have an adopted kid together.
Tifa in the original was super passive about Cloud’s mental. Speaking from original context. She really doesnt speak out until much much later when they enter the life stream together. Rebirth has it different, because she confides in Aerith and through that we can see he being more proactive about it.
I do believe Cloud loves Aerith and vice versa it just never had the time to blossom into something. It’s pretty clear in the original and her new “like” speech at the end isnt ending it is confirming it. Marlene even tells Zack about her feelings towards him. And in Tifa’s date scene Cloud assumes Aerith still harbors feelings for Zack and Tifa looks at him and replies “I think it’s more complicated than that.” Which hints at her feelings towards him as complicated as their situation is.
Anyway hope youre enjoying the game, the ship talk can be exhausting and super toxic and lessens the story making the relationships so black and white.
damn lol
@@ISoundMasterBlasterI Yeah well, Rebirth does indeed add in a lot of things that weren't in the og. Like even I'll admit, I thought if any one girl was going to get a kiss scene w/ Cloud, it'd definitely be Aerith rather than Tifa, but that wasn't the case. The "like" speech I guess I interpreted differently from you, which is fine ... Square seems like they implemented things in a way to where you can draw your own conclusions.
But yeah, you're right, this kinda thing does get exhausting. Let's just enjoy the game haha
I think come the 3rd game, Aerith will return to help the party... but it will more than likely be the Aerith in Zacks timeline
they also have a sephiroth to defeat in their universe, i hope dyne, and cloudsoldier help them
I think the BIG reveal in the 3rd part wont be about Cloud knowing the truth about himself but whether Aerith lives or not. In the beginning, Sephiroth is making Cloud question himself about whether Tifa is really Tifa but I think this a foreshadow for Aerith's scene. "You know I stabbed her." Coming into terms with this statement will be a huge shock to Cloud. But Aerith also says although the future is set into stone we can still change it. I think this a nice plot twist where Sephiroth is telling the truth but the main characters challenging fate.
What a great game! I ADORED IT! "Goodbye"... Hit me harder than I anticipated :(
I really hope to see part 3 in 2 years, because they only have to reuse all the scenarios they developed in part 1 and part 2 and on top of that they already have a very polished combat system, they just have to add new attacks in synergy with the new characters like Vincent Valentine and Cid. Of course, they have to develop Vincent Valentine and Cid as playable characters. Disc 3 of OG Final Fantasy 7 is very short in the main story, there is not much content to be honest. Let's hope they don't make us wait that long, I bet it will be out in 2 years at most, there shouldn't be any major setbacks. What I would add is greater interaction between some characters that appeared in games like Dierge of Cerberus, such as the Underground group from Intermission, Crissis Core with Cissnei revealing to a Cloud who recovered his memories all the martyrdom that Zack suffered to protect him and also mention in some way the events of Before Crisis.
But they gotta make Zack going back to clouds world and reunite with Aerith
does the rainbow glowing we see mean that its a cannocial event or something changed in a timeline?
Depending on the form, it's a defiance of fate or barrier/branching of realities.
@@netfan7117 ah ok
The fact that the ending even needs to be explained just shows how little Direction they actually had when they were making this game.
They took the easy way out and just pulled some stupid ass Multiverse thing like everything else was doing around these last how many years.
Really it was just a shity form of fan service everybody still wanted Aerith to survive or be able to be revived.... so instead of giving us that what they did was give us an ending that showed on one of the multiple universes out there Cloud was able to push Aerith out of the way... so when some weird parallel multiple Universe somewhere she lives oh big fucking Joy..
As if they didn't completely ruin this game by over flooding and over stuffing it with minigames out the yin yang they had the completely double down and ruin it by giving us one of the world's most shitiest endings to a video game I would have rather they cut to Black like the demo did or like that last Sopranos episode because even an ending that just cut to nothing would have been better than the bullshit that was that ending that they gave us
So the Inception ending is bad cause it needed an explanation, that’s your logic yeah. Cool.
@@SoulsLordsNo because the story doesn’t need a multiverse aspect, it just makes the story messy and cheap. It feels like every movie lately has a multiverse.
game is just made for people who enjoy to actually THINK and dig deeper. you can always play genshin impact instead
I love how everyone calls multiverses lazy writing, but they utterly fail to pick up on all the subtleties that are actually there, and don't understand how much exhaustive planning it takes to actually plan all that out. There is nothing directionless in all of this, it just asks the audience to dig a little bit deeper than surface level. You should maybe try that.
@@alwaysloctisI agree with you on Final Fantasy VII Rebirth, but don't knock Genshin Impact, it actually does have some pretty deep lore.
My conclusion: It will lead the story line to Advent Children. as the OG Cloud can see The Aerith and Zack from Rebirth. we Jus Play all the Cloud with OG's and Rebirth Consciousness to have a chance to save Aerith in Rebirth.
Maybe in Advent Children He still possesses both White and Black Materia. he became the keeper. that's why he always stays away from everyone.
(Thats what will come when Part3-FF7R starts... with 3 scenarios)
AVALANCHE UNIVERSE [REAL]:
-Alive: 1.Barret 2.Tifa 3.CloudRebel 4.Red13 5.EvilSephiroth-A
Killed by whispers?:
-Dead: 1.ZackFair 2.Sonon 3.Wedge 4.JessieMain 5.BiggsMain 6.DyneCrazy 7.AerithTrue
SLEEPING UNIVERSE [REAL]:
-Alive: 1.ZackAwaken 2.AerithAwake 3.CloudSoldier 4.DyneAwake 5.EvilSephiroth-B
Killed by whispers?: CloudRebel
-Dead: 1,Sonon 2,Wedge 3,JessieMain 4.Barret 5.Tifa 6.Red13? 7,BiggsMain?
SLEEPING FLOWERS [DREAM]
Visited first time: BiggsRemakeEnding, JessieRemakeEnding, ZackIntergrade
Visited second time: WhiteMateriaCopy, AerithTrue, CloudRebel, EvilSephiroth-B
Cloud and Aerith is currently living in 2 different reality, but for Aerith she technical only truly live in one of the reality while being a spectator on another, hence why other party member beside cloud can't perceive her and the rift on the sky.
Multiverse stories are the worst stories. If everything happens - nothing matters. I need 1 main character. 1 history. 1 conclusion.
7:45 YOU NEED to download the chair dlc to save Aerith from sephiroth
The ending completely fell apart for me personally. And I genuinely loved majority of the rest of the game and the additions to the OG. The multiverse bullshit is just so unecessary. It felt like things were just happening at the end and im sitting there like wtf is going on?
100% Agree. Literally every chapter, 1-13, was amazing. Then the last chapter was as you said...a freight train of wtf. Massive disappointment. But, still, game was amazing.
Yeah, same..
Same. Fuck multiverses.
Zack does not die when he chooses to go see Biggs or Hojo. It is inconclusive. Most likely he survived, but the main takeaway is multiple timelines exist.
I think ‘’our’’ Aerith is aware of something she is not telling us. In one of the later chapter she explicitly say : ‘’future is not set in stone’’ or something along those lines. Don’t remember the exact setting but the context and her reaction made me think ‘’ big stuff happening in part 3… that we have never seen in the FF7 universe’’
She did say that, she also said
" The future is always a blank page "
I dont want to play this game anymore because aerith are already death in rebirth...break my heart 💔then next chapter 3 they will make zack death too....not confirmed yet🤔... Then what the point they make zack and aerith back to life and suddenly back to death again😒....Believe me, some gamer must be an unsatisfied emotion for part of this rebirth
it's not the end yet! and Aerith death is a very tricky moment since
1) we obviously see the scene from OG, as we get to see Cloud saying something but we can't hear what - and I bet it's his line from OG "Aerith will never laugh again";
2) Sephiroth described to Cloud pretty clearly how the new worlds are born and that's what we see during Aerith's "death": glowing appearing (just like when Zack was choosing who to save and invented another timeline) and the breach in the sky (Seph said new world are fragile and we know from C&A date in Ch.14 that people realize their world is dying by the same breach in the sky).
Cloud isn't hallucinating in the end, bc others don't see not only A, but also the breach, unlike Cloud who's kinda stuck in two(if not more) worlds at the same time.
or we can listen to Sephiroth's "I must admit I underestimated you" line and C&A confidence of what they're doing to suggest they are on up to something to trick Sepbiroth into thinking he's winning again.
so just wait and see, it'll be fine❤ there's no single point to return to OG since the whole purpose of Remake is to set things right.
@@alwaysloctis its meant Aerith it not death yet...
@rajahaziq1754 she's not)
If Aerith didn’t die as the original and in Cloud’s timeline, that would lead to a failed remake adaptation and upset fans who want it but still be heartbreaking. I have been explain that so mant time to people But this takes the cake.
@@alwaysloctis
End Rebirth after Aerith’s death makes sense, set up part 3 all the way to the final moment. But i guess Aerith still going to have a big role when Cloud need yo talk to her.
i think i understand much better after intensively researching this over-compilcated ending
Let me share my theory of this crazy ending!
there must be 3 DIFFERENT timelines with 4 small branches we know so far. So the A timeline is the main reality and where aerith is dead as cloud failed to stop sephorith. however we see a short clip of the long sword hits through the floor with no blood. I believe that implies that cloud actually did save aerith in different timeline which could be in "C" where zack is not in...for now
in the A(beagle dog) and C or D? timeline, cloud's team arrives so late after the wall of whispers vanished.
This is the most important moment, i believe so. why?
when in A, the team is running toward the altar and seeing aerith dying next to cloud. (tragic ending)
while in C, they could be running toward the altar and seeing aerith, as usual, is greetin them with iconic smile besides cloud. (happy ending)
and biggs should be in the same timeline as them
what about B? its where zack is alive and take caring of cloud, marlene, aertith, elymra and biggs.
Zack created three small branches of the B (terrier dog). when he had to make a decision whichever does he must save first:
--- B,1(still terrier branch) go to shinra's HQ in attempt to save cloud
---B,2 (pug branch) stop biggs from bombing the reactor
---B,3 and/or 4? (shiba inu? spritz branch) zach goes to the church in sector 5 after failing to make a decision . Also i think=thats where the dream date is taken in too? because we watched how cloud is pushed back into light void and glancing sephorith enters the church after sending zack into a dark void which later will be fighting along with cloud briefly. what do u think?
lastly, sephorith final boss appeared in three different universe:
A- cloud's team except cloud. after winning the battle, the scene returns to the same scene where the team and cloud run toward the altar and see lifeless aerith lying on the cold floor. In cloud's perspective, he can see the white whisper around aerith. it shows they are in the A universe.
B- Zack in the ruined church and later was sent to another universe by aerith's white whisper. Yes, seems they are under the control of her power
( will reveal his location in part 3)
C-2- Cloud and Aerith----i really think she is alive. now imagine yourself, after winning the battle against Sephroith monster. Cloud and aerith returns to the altar and greets the team members with smile. see the connection?
conclusively,
if we see the beagle dog and white whispers, that means we are likely in the main reality.
if we see black whispers and different stamp dogs, that means we are likely in alternative realites with no aerith's involvement.
What do i mean by aerith's involvement?
white whispers sometimes show up when;
--- it tries to keep the original tracks in the main universe such as when barret was stabbed by sephroith.
( square enix might be forgetting to change the color of the white whisper)
----it appears as Aerith joins cloud's battle against sephroith
-- it appears when zack falls down in the void in ruined church....under the control of aerith's power, i believe so.
what do you think about my theory?!
FF becoming Kingdom Hearts is not a good thing dude.
Its not though so shut up
Ff has been doing multiversal timeline stories since FF1….. in fact it’s probably one of the more common conflicts In the franchise
I can’t believe no one noticed this…. When Zack and Cloud are about to fight Sephiroth their fighting pose are different but specifically Zack… look at Zack’s fighting pose and when Is Aerith and Cloud About to fight with Sephiroth Cloud does the Zack fighting pose!! Why?????
5:13 Sephiroth did say that he would never be a memory. 😅
Rebirth doesn't explain who the Zack in intermission ending was. Zack in Rebirth already found Aerith the moment he arrived to midgar where the one in intermission was clean and hadn't met Aerith yet. Either there's a retcon or there's another Zack out there.
Oh yeah didn’t think about that because I only saw the video clip once years ago. Wow they really messed up the story. It’s like FF has become Marvel and what’s worse is a lot of these plot threads came straight out FFXIII 2
@@mana-uv7cz we better get some sort of explanation.
it could still be a glimpse on the future we are yet to discover
It’s just Zack. There is no alternate timeline. There is no such thing as time in the lifestream. It’s just one constantly flowing stream of whatever the writers want to portray. This has been the case since original FF7 when Aerith literally comes back to help save the planet from beyond.
@@mana-uv7cz FF7 did not become marvel, it became Nomura's Kingdom Hearts crap
This must have always been the plan tho, cloud can see and talk to aeirth and Zack in advent children as well
The Rufus scene is easy to explain: the robed guys all have Jenova cells and thus are linked to Sephiroth. The Jenova virus can read other's minds and change the host's appearance to be "those we fear, those we love". This robed figure transformed into Glenn because Glenn was someone that Rufus feared or knew well, and this was used by Sephiroth (who can control the robed figures) to distract Rufus from finding Sephiroth and the Promised land (AKA the northern crater). By crippling Shinra with war, they won't have the time nor might to oppose sephiroth's plans, which is line with what sephiroth has been shown to do throughout this entire game, in multiple timelines too.
I know most of the lore already with the small exception of the turks cell phone game and sephiroth first years. But even knowing all the OG and Crisis Core stuff, the story was a bit hard to follow at the end.
I can't imagine what it's like for fans who never played the OG or crisis core seeing this ending.
I could be wrong but in the original, aeriths holy materia didn't make a difference? Didn't she end up merging with the life stream to stop meteor? As I said I'm probably wrong lol, been a while
I feel like had they brought the exact same story as the OG people would’ve complained. I give them props for trying out new thingd
If they had, I would've bought a PS5 just to play this game.
@@BlackSailPass_GuitarCoversthen don’t lol I promise you the world will keep spinning.
Believe me, old "fans" are still calling it garbage because they're adding new elements.
@@e.t.gohome8042 Oh, I haven't bought a new console for 20 years. Just saying that a respectful remake of FFVII is one of the few things that might cause me to change that.
@@BlackSailPass_GuitarCoversshut up
A fair criticism, it was a brilliant routine but they did not stick the landing. When I'm feeling more upset over the fate of a throwaway background character like Roche instead of a main character like Aerith, some balls definitely got dropped. If there were two things from this story that SE HAD to do right it was the Aerith death scene and the scene where Tifa rebuilds Cloud's mind in the lifestream. This isn't filling me with faith that they'll execute the second one any better. But my biggest gripe by far with this game was having to look at Dio's "moose knuckle" for like 40 minutes, but apparently cleavage and jiggles are "problematic"? I really detest two faced hypocrites. My second gripe was Cloud getting benched from the party. I'm going to be getting two or three chapters of that in the last installment of the game, so I didn't need him riding the pine in this one. Those two gripes were more nuisance than game killing. Overall a very great game though, far better than Remake. I only played remake once each on normal and hard and played intermission only once on normal. I beat FF7OG once a year, because it's replay value is through the roof. Remake had no replay value, but I can see myself replaying this title quite a few more times.
is tifa still going to save cloud from mako poisoning and repair his mind in the lifestream in part 3
Yes
@@amaurycasilas6686 i really hoped that they don't change it because tifa is the only one that saves cloud no one else.
its will happen, they foreshadowing in the livesteam event during rebirth and is ones of the most important part in FF7 @@RyanOstrowski-eh6ft
This ending left me feeling emotionally empty and I'm finding it hard to pinpoint why.
Up until the point Cloud chases after Aerith then gives the black materia to Sepiroth I'd loved everything the game had to offer (a few annoying side quests aside 😅). I'd spent 100hrs laughing, crying, cheering , screaming & shouting and had expressed more bursts of raw emotion than any other game I've played before.
But after Cloud gives away the black materia and he and Aerith fall from the tree branch and wake up in that different world/timeline something just didnt click with me.
From that point until the credits rolled i didn't say a word or express any emotion. Story beats that should have tugged at my emotions like they had earlier in the game just didn't do anything for me.
Aerith being saved/dying. Biggs dying. Multiple Zacks dying(?) after the different choices he made. One Zack surving and fighting with Cloud. The Jenova battle. Aerith world/timeline number 3 (or maybe number
4) appearing of out the void to fight with Cloud. The crew crying over Aeriths body. Tifa almost in the fetal position as she sat on the hill depressed over Aerith dying. Aeriths goodbye (for now). All of these should have left me an emotional wreck but none of it did.
I'm not sure if its multiverse fatigue from the Marvel/DC universe that's done it to me or if its just something I've never really enjoyed.
I find it hard to become emotionally invested anymore when you can just pluck a dead character from timline "Omega Alpha 777AB.2" and viola nobody needs to be sad anymore because nobody is every really dead. Love triangle you say? Worried you'll lose fans if you make a narrative decision one way or the other? Easy, just have one couple in one universe and the other in a different one. Everybody's happy.
It might also have been because so much was happening on screen at once and it jumped around a lot that it never really gave me time to emotionally process what had just happened because I was having to concentrate so hard on wjst wws going on at any given moment.
The last time I felt hollow like this after a game ended was Mass Effect 3.
That's too extreme. Mass effect 3 was way worse than this ending
Just finished the game tn after 4 months lmao. Idk how anyone could say this not GOTY. This P3R and stellar blade so clear at the top
In this version Aerith is going to live! I can see it happening and is gonna be amazing!
Wouldn't it be funny if we were just playing a dream of Cloud and at the end of the 3rd game we see Cloud wake up from a coma he had suffered when Midgar Sector 7 blew up, sort of like a vision but we all played his vision version. Then Square Enix can put out another FF7 game after the third game and call it "FF7 Reality" or something like that. Of course, I am sure that would upset some fans if that happened but think it would be pretty funny to find out we all just played a dream of Clouds. I seriously doubt this would happen because who wants to go over another set of trilogy games of similar story again but in actual reality.
I kind of like the Arbitors of fate guiding the events towards the cannon of the original games. But my only real complaint is all this multiverse stuff and multiple timelines just muddles an already complete story of the original, Aeriths death in this version is greatly cheapened compared to the original even though it results in her death in the main timeline, the scene itself compared to the original is confusing and lacks the emotional gut punch, they also didn't follow through on maybe my favorite moment from the scene, where Jenova life shows up and instead of boss music, it just continues to play Aeriths theme, letting the player really wallow in the realization that Aerith was gone. I'm not saying this version was bad, but it just can't stack up to the original.
Agree, they had to nail Aeriths death and the multiverse stuff just made the scene a throw away. It's the same in any kind of media, multiverses are lazy boring overly confusing and just plain dumb. Character deaths are meaningless when there's a infinite number of that character alive elsewhere. I'm so bummed by the ending.
@@ReckluseMusic Its crazy because they blew literally every other part of the story out of the park. Junon, Kalm, Costa Del Sol, Gold Saucer, Gongaga, etc. EVERYTHING ELSE was amazing. But Aerith's death was executed so terribly it makes you wonder if it was on purpose. They already showed that she can hop between timelines with all her memories so yea technically she is alive and can show up at any moment in part 3. But I think she'll function like joker did with batman in arkham knight.
@@xanndovo I know, everything else was perfect so it's a shame. But to be fair to them I don't think there was a good point to stop the story and have a good ending for this 2nd part.
If Cloud didn’t hide the black material in his sword then he would have had to give it up to Yuffie. Probably not a good idea leaving it in the hands of a greedy teenager.
No one is talking about Sephiroth trying to control the weapons in the water. I'm pretty sure Sephiroth will succeed in part 3 in making the weapons his pawns, because we gotta get our asses kicked by ruby and emerald on a ps6
I think Cloud is seeing the Aerith that lived and the sky from the over timeline. That is the only thing that makes sense. Otherwise, why does he see the sky? Somehow Cloud is able to see two realities at once.
I wanna know how Marlene is aware of events that didn’t happen in her timeline
We don't need a world ending events . Sephiroth was already a well written villain he killed areith and threaten the world with metor while causing cloud psychosis issues in the original . Don't take pages from marvel or DC with multiverses . It's too late know but it's something to take note. Great game don't get me wrong I love any ff prorperty but I can see how non fans of FF will feel. They tried this in kingdom hearts 3 and that was a mess already .
When Barret saw Cloud holding Aerith and shouting to Sephiroth, "ILL K××× YOU!" I felt that in my heart 😢
Wait, how are you so sure that in Zack’s other timelines, like when he goes to the reactor, it ends in his death? It’s still ambiguous
So how many timelines are there like 5, part 3 is gonna be crazy
Also that ending sets up part 3 perfectly. Cloud is already mentally shattered and seeing everyone’s reactions like Yuffie at the end it felt like she was coddling a kid, Barret going along with it to ease Tifa but even she’s shocked.
Just happy they revived my fav Character in the franchise Zach 🤝🏽
We can easily have many games taking place in the ff7 universe, it does not have to end with the main trilogy.
I so wanted Aerith to survive in this version, remake ended telling us it was going to be a new story, and it ended being the same fkcn story, except they cut vincent and cid story. -_-
Just finished it. I hate the multiverse bullshit. Aeriths death scene is totally ruined, is she dead? Who gives a shit she's alive in some other timeline so what does it matter. The scene lost all impact. I loved the game but the last chapter story wise is just awful. Sephiroth is also way less effective as a villain because who even knows what he's doing, his intentions from the original game made him way more frightening. Also the design of the planets weapons are dumb as hell, giant friendly looking whales? I'm surprised how bad they look as everything else design wise in the game is perfect. I loved the game but at the same time feel disappointed by it.
I dont think Lodbrock has any special powers. Hes dead and has been for a while. I think Lodbrock is just Jenova since Jenova can take on any form it wants using the clones
Man, they really dropped the ball with this one.
So does Aerith actually still die in Rebirth?
"To answer that, we need to talk about parallel universes"
Is it just me or are there 2 types of this time keeper ghosts?
One with bright and one with dark coloring?
Probably in Rebirth the black whispers are meant to hinder good acts, and white whispers to aid good acts.
Apparently the gray whispers in Remake to "keep fate in check" weren't purposeful enough. If only the writers had the mental discipline to not stray away from the storyline, there won't be a need for whispers to intervene each time the story takes a pointless turn of events. E.g. If Sephiroth didn't appear at Shinra HQ to stab Barret, the whispers needn't intervene to revive Barret.
At this point the writers are so lost in their obsession to invoke a different timeline only to force Aerith, Zack and Sephiroth to be front and center of everything. The whispers have become so convoluted and redundant, just a convenient quick fix whenever the writer gets stuck with their new plots.
I wouldn't be surprised if in part 3 Square Enix decides to introduce green whispers to serve the will of the lifestream and have have them float all over the weapons fights. Or red whispers to serve the will of Jenova and have them float all over the northern crater. Or hell, Cloud may even get his own golden whispers as he wields them to create his own timeline at the edge of creation or something, and the golden whispers help to bring back Aerith and Zack into his reality. After all Square has already gone so far down the slippery slope of lazy writing.
Maybe shorter this time the Creators said they have a lot done thxs to the game they just Released. They said there gonna use the same map an stuff an Improve it. So i might be out faster than you think
I feel like there are so many people in the comments watching this video to help them decide whether or not they like the game. Skipping to the end just to see if it's good makes no sense to me 😂
NGL that was me, I finish the main story yesterday ( I didn’t even cry about Aerith) because I was so confused, I didn’t even enjoy the final bosses, I needed help to understand