John is an amazing individual he encompasses the soul of one who values, courage, and care for fellow human being. Anyone who is privileged to call him friend, brother, or son is fortunate.
@Yes No that makes his actions even more impressive and inspiring, not less so. 🙄 Obviously some people here are just immature fools who have never had a serious thought in their empty head, you should just leave the adults to chat and go play your xbox or whatever.
Stereotypes about gay people being sensitive aside, this guy's affection and genuine care towards a flatmate he had known for 6 weeks is truly heartwarming.
@Total Sweetheart he wasn't his gay lover. You obviously didn't watch the video, or if you did then you are having elementary school level comprehension issues. He was roommates with him.
John deserves a lot more recognition for all he did. He may have saved dozens of lives through his work and determination. All for a friend he easily could have mourned and moved on from but no he stood up to the police and worked to get justice for 3 innocent young men.
RyanBennett FC the Queen should give him a medal. He alone did something wonderful for the gay community and the community as a whole. He should be recognised publicly for it.
@KoivuTheHab So if the drug orgy story was true, you don't think 3 deaths from a party warrants investigation? Or do you think older men drugging and raping young men is OK?! Also you need to go back and watch again. If they had of investigated the drug orgy story, they would have realised the parties did not exist and that they were a cover story. It would have been easy for them to trace the person Thierry was talking to. If they had listened to John Jack Taylor would still be alive now.
KoivuTheHab dumb af, home many times did the detectives and police tell him they were investigating the cases and nothing was suspicious. They weren’t even investigating until the LGBT groups allianced with the police highlighted his concern. Someone needs to watch the video again. Not until the last body turned up dead that’s when police finally took control and had the killer in custody.
@Ciaran Moran213 you wouldn't want a friend that works that hard for you, or your memory? Not sure what makes you think I wouldn't want to have a friend like John.....
You guys need to look at it from the perspective of the police. If they do anything outside the rule book then the eventual prosecution can fall apart because of issues with evidence - its credibility, how it was obtained etc - which would ultimately affect the defendant's right to a fair trial. Also, they may have even suspected John Pape as the offender so why would they reveal their cards to him?
@@loyalentertainment4323HAHA wow very creative! How long did it take you to come up with that one? you complete tool... respect the poor lad instead of making a joke of him.
It's usually not about the skill. I'm sure the detectives are much better at their job than this guy. The issue is, most police don't get the luxury of working on just one case for 6 months. They have something like this coming up every single day. Most people get away with crime, not because they make themselves hard to catch, but because the police are to busy. If crimes get unsolved, people get upset, if taxes go up to hire more police, people get upset. The police are not complete fools, at least not most of them, they are just overworked.
Peter R This is bullshit. It's England, the murder rates are exceptionally small in comparison to say, America. This looks like a smaller town, nothing much ever happens in smaller towns of England other than robberies and fights (I'm from one). A murder would have been insane in comparison to the usual petty crimes, this should have been investigated.
+Lee Sin JG small towns don’t have a dedicated staff of homicide detectives, usually get called in from bigger urban areas which are overstretched and have huge budget cuts anyway. Stephen port was actually very smart and deceiving besides doing it in the same place and the dumb suicide note idea, only after that did murder even cross the police mind. Police might’ve just assumed dodgy product was in rotation on the streets. If port had done this same crimes in a built up urban area with lots of nightlife and had spread out his murder areas, sick fucks like this are untraceable.
Bryn Hendry cops job is to clock in and drag out the case and maybe get some overtime and if realy lucky get to travel somewhere while they dont do their job properly. Cause if they do their job they would arrest ppl who do crime instead of bullying ppl because they dont respect cops authority.
Excuse the intrusion, but I'm not sure a sentence should start with 'besides', a semicolon should have preceded not a full stop; Anyway have a peaceful day.
I don't believe for one second that the police couldn't put this together, they didn't even try. Thank goodness for John Pape, he saved a lot of lives.
@KoivuTheHab but then had the police traced who wrote that chem sex story to John via Facebook they would have found Steven sooner.So stop defending these stupid police officers.They waste time tracking car offences like speeding,tax and insurance but take forever to close murder cases meanwhile more people are behind killed
@KoivuTheHab you sound so ignorant prick,respond to what l said.Im actually a PHD student so who needs an education between you and l.I'm not going to stoop to your level,clearly you are a police officer or someone who licks ass for a living.Grow a pair and stop supporting morons.
@KoivuTheHab you are the one who needs to grow up constable,lm not the one who made you and your generation useless.Pot calling the kettle black,l doubt you finished your GCSE's🤔🤔
I knew one of the victims, Anthony. He lived in my halls at university and we would often party together and we got on really well. He was such a kind and funny person and by no means a "druggy". I am so sad that he his gone but I am so thankful for the hard work that John has done so that Stephen Port is where he belongs. I just can't believe it took 3 other victims to get to that point....
I wish someone would write a book on the victims, so we can get to know them, before they are forgotten by all but those that new them - perhaps you (miss Rose) could suggest this to a publisher... Im reading The Meaning of Matthew, by his mother.....
I’m appalled at the way the police handled this John you’re a hero, without your dedication for justice, in honour of your friend it’s likely he would have killed again, and again and again I pray for your peace, and your happiness my friend
@@nashnash3644 yeah, it got me wondering, is this kind of crime (not sure whether I should call it "hate crime", as the perpetrator, apparently, was gay, himself) a frequent occurrence in the United Kingdom?!?
Full support to BBC Three for giving this man his right to speak and hold the police to account. A really interesting and eye opening documentary, vital to the gaps in modern day policing that aren't quite being reached by the checklist they have currently. I can only hope that as a result of these recent findings that the police have a further inquiry into their methodology, however the public statement they issued as a result of this is appalling.
This still haunts me. I remember this killer used to message me on Grindr all the time and I blocked him every single time. Years went past and I came across this story online and it affected me the way I didn’t even think it will. I went into deep depression and still find it really hard to trust guys. It could have been me and that scares me still to this day. I can’t thank God enough to have my back and protect me from this monster. My heart goes out to all the victims and their families ♥️
This is really scary, how could the police have missed something so obvious, that a person could make the link using Google but the police couldn't is so worrying.
Kate McNamara because when people find something interesting and reaaaaly focus on it ,they pay way more attention to it/spend more time on it.because its much more personal.not just a job. for example when somethings wrong with your body and doctors seem to get it wrong or just dont know what it is, youre most likely gonna find out about it before any doctor IF you chose to realy look into it.
Anni Psy I mean I do get where you're coming from but this evidence was really easy to find, a Google search was all it took. It's just hard to think that the police wouldn't look into this case more closely when so many young, gay men in the same area were killed.
18:03 "I think if you only encounter a community or a group of people by policing them, that potentially you develop a prejudice about them." Truer words were never spoken.
"please don't blame the guy I was with last night"...!!!??? Are you serious ? You don't go immediately check who he was with that night ? you don't go and check the computers and the chat logs ? Do you call yourselves policemen ?
sharefactor Yeah but in Rotherham they knew but were too scared to admit it for fear of being labelled racists. Here there was no such excuse. This is an absolute travesty.
Are you kidding? After the second death, the police couldn't, or just wouldn't, make a connection? Any half-witted detective should have been able to take one look at the first two victims and based on their physical resemblance: body type, hair, and facial features, the fact the victims were relatively found in the same area, less than a mile away from each other, that should have been more than enough to establish a pattern.
@theylied1776 yup I know righttt u took the words right out of my mouth , and who knows if they even ordered a drug test for his autopsy,even thou if they did or didn't it still comes out on the check up on the blood which is procedure ,it seems to me a lack of police and corner (ppl with all the files) job or like they didn't even bother much with them cases ,and who really knows if and how long it took them to reach his parents and give them notice ,and long story short , the case is so simple to solve if u put some caring into it and really do their jobs correctly ,both boys also would and I bet had the same drugs in there systems and c'mon can they show anymore lack of their work , they could of saved the other 2 boys if they would of just worked with the evidence they had with the 1st 2 boys ,they were just found streets away from eachother ,meaning that's the area he kills or just dumps the bodies ,but still they could of staked out all around that area in a undercover cars and easily would of caught the murderer ,......and even brake his code to facebook and read his messages I'm sure there was a bunch of information in the inbox messages ,..enough to pin down the killer
it is? 200 years ago you'd get tortured for having it. No one fully accepts gays. Maybe on face value when people lie to gay peoples faces but no one understands or accepts them, never will.
There's nothing more heartbreaking than a person trying to be strong and solid in front of the camera but then intense emotions breaks through. He really did everything he could. I want a friend like that 14:17 we need people like this.
Men have a false sense of security, which is partially why they engage in risky behavior that women have been taught to avoid. Many of the worlds worst, most prolific serial killers exclusively targeted men, so the sense of security actually works in the killers favor. Randy Kraft was a serial killer in Los Angeles who killed over 60 men and some were marines. It’s terrifying to think that an average man could plan his murders so well that he could eventually take down a much larger, stronger man. Serial killers are cunning and that’s the problem. Once you realize what’s going on, it’s too late. So use your best judgment and don’t let your sex drive dictate your behavior.
This dude is a really clear thinker - gives some hope for the evolution and development of further empathy, love, and down to Earth living while keeping the well-being of others in mind
It almost seems fake. Who would write that and think that would work.... AND IT DID. Lord knows if I was that dude and wrote that, theyd would be like "we got em guys.... cuff em"
"Homophobia is a strong word. But I think if you only encounter a community or a group of people by policing them, that potentially you develop a prejudice about that community. And I am therefore left wondering whether the problem is there is a lack of diversity within the police force, that they are still seeing the gay community as something other". Powerful words!
@KoivuTheHab I didn't claim he was not at fault, I said how was that his fault? As he was just feeding back the clever lies the murderer had feed him like anyone would as it sounded believable & he thought it would validly help the investigation
Harry Dibbs Sometimes you just gotta look for a silver lining, where there isn't much of one at least there's a shitty pun. I don't think a small pun in the name is really disrespectful. It's not insulting, it's just a shitty pun.
Jamessuperfun No you're just fishing for likes you idiot. If it was your brother or another family member found dead in a graveyard would you like it if ppl joked about it or made puns?
David Groves true... if they had just sacked all of the nurses in the ul after beverley allet killed the babies... we would never have a baby death in the uk again. why do the goverment not see the sense in such things??
*THIS MAN IS A LEGEND!* They should make a movie about him he went above and beyond to get closure for his friends death and in getting his message out he saved many people.
And John did all of this for a guy he'd known six weeks (give or take) John is someone how needs more recognition for his work. We should all aspire to be like John.
John should have been a detective. He deserves a hell of alot more recognition for what he did. He probably saved god knows how many other young men's lives. Bless 'em.
What a brave, determined and compassionate man. Smart enough to follow the trail and have justice carried out. He has a heart of gold. I want to be his friend!!
This is an excellent documentary. His diligence and loyalty to his friend truly helped take a murderer off the streets! It's just a shame that the police pussy footed around and 3 more people died! What if they had been straight and sober? Quicker and more thorough investigation? Hmmm...we can only speculate but this guy did better detective work than the real detectives, and put the puzzle together quicker! So that should've told them just how obviously linked the crimes actually were! I'm sorry they died that way. Nobody deserves that, gay or straight! Sigh....what a world!
Carla .McD he met a "friend" online whom he immediately let live with him. When Gabriel said he was moving out, he openly admitted in the beginning that he didn't even ask where. This guy is no friend. He has used this for attention and fame since. He had pics of the first three victims. Very young Blondish Twinkie looking men. Then rambles on and on about how it could be him next. He is 40 years old with a little boys hair cut. Something just isn't right with this guy either. He continues to exploit these men, pretending to be an lgbt crusader while going around town pretending to cry and vomit at every turn but only when talking about if it had been him. May I never be blessed with such a "friend".
Oi Jess you're right! What old man is cruising gay sites to rent out rooms to young men?? Why is this weird behaviour allowed in the gay community? Is it because of the whole daddy kink thing?? Cause if that was my son I would be sickened to think he was living with an older man like that. It's automatically predatory. And I'm not upset but I do worry for young people a lot. I know how naive I was.
I honestly think the friend investigating on his own should be a police officer, he could have used his determination and passion to save other lives. Too many meatheads are entering the police force and we wonder why they are bad at their job, well duh thats what happens when you feed a police culture that nurtures meatheads over critical thinkers.
a lot of it is that they're binded by the rules. if this guy joined the police he'd be in the same position. life isnt like the books and films- you go off and try and investigate without protocol, you lose your job and nobody carries on looking in to it anyway.
Nah, I don't think it has a thing to do with their sexuality. They were stupid to not see the signs, but I really don't think the police could give a shit who you have sex with.
This man is amazing. The things he did to get justice for his friend and stopping a killer from murdering more men. Shame on the police for being so negligent. My heart breaks for him, he still feel such guilt and sadness. I would recommend reading the books of Dr. Brian L. Weiss to anyone that lost loved ones. Those stories of his patients help me with my grief.
This guy wasn't some long time friend, he was a roommate hed only known for about 6 weeks. Yet he dedicated himself to figuring this out and wouldn't give up. He worked harder than law enforcement did. Talk about a stand up guy. And he also seems really kind and humble.
Use to see this creep on the bus all the time. He used to sit at the back usually eating chicken and chips, he was always on his own. Gives me shivers fucking creep. R.I.P jack
Lol I think eating smelly food on the bus is actually against tfl policy 😂. But no honestly I thought he was a creep because of his demeanour. He appeared anti social and aloof.
Very sad story. The police definitely dropped the ball. He said something so powerful here. "When the only time you encounter a certain type of group is when you are policing them, then you can develop a prejudice". We see that here in the states. There does need to be more diversity and sensitivity training.
Obama was at the funeral for the cops that got shot in Dallas and was calling cops racist there...Fuck that... Also he had BLM at the white house, which committed terrorism on police.
colette s Your police do seem to take the war on crime abit to literally. Alot of black men & women seem to be unfairly killed at the hands of your police.
Talsong Kingslayer sensitivity training means not shooting a man with downs syndrome because he had a toy in his hand. Or how about not locking a woman and her 4 year old child in a police car after she witnesses you killing her boyfriend? Or, oh, even NOT IMMEDIATE JUMPING PUT OF YOUR CAR AND TAZING THE FIRST BLACK GUY YOU CAN FIND THEN SHOOTING HIM WHEN HE RUNS. Yeah. That sounds like some good sensitivity training, aka these are human beings not animals to put down when you can't be fucked to reason with them.
John, you are a truly amazing, special person. I'm sure that Gabriel would think this too. You are clearly a thoroughly decent human being, and your friends and family should be very proud of you. Be happy, you deserve it. Total respect for you.
The League of incompetent losers has just as much right to the honors and high paying and prestigious positions in society as do the conscientious and intelligent people, even though the incompetent posers don't and cannot do their jobs properly. They stick together in their leagues and their unions. You cannot blame them for striving (cut-throat acting and competing) to climb the career ladder in a world that is beyond their abilities.
John you are a very special, intelligent man gifted with deep insight and sensitivity. Thank you for being a caring soul, there are too few such people on planet earth.
how are those deaths not suspicious????? either theyre really horrible at their job and its a miracle they still work orrrr (more likely) they don’t care about the gay youth. i mean an autopsy can show if they had drugs in their body and if they got any recent injuries. i can’t understand any other way to imagine why the police didnt care
Gabriel was very loved to have a man so invested in the importance of his life to fight so hard for justice. There’s Beauty in this story. It’s tragic but there’s Beauty too.
It upsets me to say this, but I feel they didn't care at first. Then 4 murders later... they react due to press and pressure. This screams prejudice and it sickens me. If you're curious, I'm straight.
Whoever picked the music for this docommentary deserves a raise! Lots of Boards of Canada and Aphex Twin! I just love BBC III lately. Also, great doc. That gentleman doing his own investigation is so articulate and commendable. Such a sad story.
This man did more work than the police and he deserves a medal for what he did. He didn't give up and he possibly saved future lives from the sick serial killer. It's just too bad the police didn't take it more seriously because more deaths could have been prevented. RIP
Sure hope that stupid police gave that man a job as a detective after they figured out he was right all along... anyway... sad story, RIP Gabriel and all other victims.
Ingeborg R maybe you're right. he did help. I just wonder how close they really were. this is one of dozens of interviews, specials. it seems I question his motives. I question anyone who seems to seek to squeeze all of the fame they can from a really bad situation. maybe he is a honest honorable guy. Perhaps I'm jaded lately. somewhere in the middle....
I actually got that vibe somewhat when he was in the graveyard and then had to walk away, I dont know why. I see where youre coming from, definitely. But he also seemed very passionate when he was talking about how retarded the police were about the whole ordeal, and the breakdowns he had seemed real.
Ingeborg R well, I do believe they were actually negligent. maybe I've been watching to much dark stuff online. lol I question everything and everyone. it was one of my new year's resolutions. stop with all the murder TV, internet, books. it is actually changing who I am and just any confidence in humanity. lol. So, noted. lol.
Get you a friend like John
Also, be a friend like John
@Reality Reviews now we know what you will be in your next life time
well said... a true friend
Reality Reviews That's why they have chastity belts.
Tomorrow Ito hi
@Reality Reviews Lmfao
Talk about true friendship. Even after his buddy died he still fought for him.
I truly admire him
Suck him up
StevieEthereal 966 But you are idiot,, if you think that.
Seb Web10 right tho
John is an amazing individual he encompasses the soul of one who values, courage, and care for fellow human being. Anyone who is privileged to call him friend, brother, or son is fortunate.
@Yes No that makes his actions even more impressive and inspiring, not less so. 🙄 Obviously some people here are just immature fools who have never had a serious thought in their empty head, you should just leave the adults to chat and go play your xbox or whatever.
Stereotypes about gay people being sensitive aside, this guy's affection and genuine care towards a flatmate he had known for 6 weeks is truly heartwarming.
♥️Heartwarming init♥️
Julian Nikolay Krogh-Fredriksen great guy really
@Total Sweetheart he wasn't his gay lover. You obviously didn't watch the video, or if you did then you are having elementary school level comprehension issues. He was roommates with him.
Great sarcasm, you must be British.
@hauha to a fault. It can divorce you of compassion
This guy needs a medal, a hug, and a detective job.
The incompetent ones gang up against the competent ones.
Todd Michael Johnson throw the whole department away
Todd Michael Johnson - and a bj??
Todd Michael Johnson yas
Todd Michael Johnson come on he's a serial killer can't believe you'd say that
John deserves a lot more recognition for all he did. He may have saved dozens of lives through his work and determination. All for a friend he easily could have mourned and moved on from but no he stood up to the police and worked to get justice for 3 innocent young men.
RyanBennett FC the Queen should give him a medal. He alone did something wonderful for the gay community and the community as a whole. He should be recognised publicly for it.
@KoivuTheHab So if the drug orgy story was true, you don't think 3 deaths from a party warrants investigation? Or do you think older men drugging and raping young men is OK?! Also you need to go back and watch again. If they had of investigated the drug orgy story, they would have realised the parties did not exist and that they were a cover story. It would have been easy for them to trace the person Thierry was talking to. If they had listened to John Jack Taylor would still be alive now.
@KoivuTheHab the police never considered the deaths suspicious... nobody cared in this story but John.
KoivuTheHab I kinda see what you’re saying but you can’t say he didn’t help with this investigation.
KoivuTheHab dumb af, home many times did the detectives and police tell him they were investigating the cases and nothing was suspicious. They weren’t even investigating until the LGBT groups allianced with the police highlighted his concern. Someone needs to watch the video again. Not until the last body turned up dead that’s when police finally took control and had the killer in custody.
John, I pray I will have a friend like you.
You're a good man.
@Ciaran Moran213 you wouldn't want a friend that works that hard for you, or your memory? Not sure what makes you think I wouldn't want to have a friend like John.....
@@just-dl because it's obviously because he's gay.
@@just-dl no one wants a friend like "Yes No" 😂❤
@@arianaajbeaverhausen8175 I think you got that right! I don't really want him/her for an acquaintance! yeesh!
Im stunned this all took place
When a random guy can look up and find more information than the damn police
Well said! To make it worse they didn't even listen to him. How did someone from the police force fail to see something was not right.
Nathan Moore they just didnt care..
This man CARED. This was the thing that mattered, He cared, and put in proper effort. Shameful on the police for this idleness in these cases.
Mel T not even the first time this ever happened. Worrying
You guys need to look at it from the perspective of the police. If they do anything outside the rule book then the eventual prosecution can fall apart because of issues with evidence - its credibility, how it was obtained etc - which would ultimately affect the defendant's right to a fair trial. Also, they may have even suspected John Pape as the offender so why would they reveal their cards to him?
Dudes over here avenging the death of someone he knew for 6 weeks & I can't even get a text back. We all need a friend like him
Nahh
Robert Lee she just wants some validation from strangers leave her alone
Robert Lee lolol
Aaron Headridge thirst
Sydney Mancuso no you sure can’t
The amount of love and kindness in John Papes heart brought tears to my eyes. Sending him so much love and big hugs.
Overrated
John Pape, such a beautiful soul. Rented a room for a stranger to later become an advocate for a friend and the community.
We could do with more people like that it would make the world a safer place. Some people just don't care.
He did it cause he wanted his ass..
I thought he was gay himself?
Jul Szadu lmao, you can't be that naive poor girl
I love people like him!
This guy did his friend the ultimate solid. Didn’t give up on him even in death. 😿
Jessimus Prime 😂😂did his friend😂😂I get it lmao
@@loyalentertainment4323HAHA wow very creative! How long did it take you to come up with that one?
you complete tool... respect the poor lad instead of making a joke of him.
I wish I could have the option to click "love" instead of just "liking" it ❤️
John is LEGENDARY he needs recognition for his kind and persistent acts throughout.
Sophie Dillon-Savage .. hi Sophie , wanna chat ? Your really pretty btw !
BOSTON BRUINS 12 talking to people like you was Gabriel’s first mistake, delete RUclips and download tinder you weirdo
I think he means the guy that killed all the gays
@Yes No it really is lol
This guy should be made a detective, he did a much better job than the police did.
It's usually not about the skill. I'm sure the detectives are much better at their job than this guy. The issue is, most police don't get the luxury of working on just one case for 6 months. They have something like this coming up every single day. Most people get away with crime, not because they make themselves hard to catch, but because the police are to busy. If crimes get unsolved, people get upset, if taxes go up to hire more police, people get upset. The police are not complete fools, at least not most of them, they are just overworked.
Peter R This is bullshit. It's England, the murder rates are exceptionally small in comparison to say, America. This looks like a smaller town, nothing much ever happens in smaller towns of England other than robberies and fights (I'm from one).
A murder would have been insane in comparison to the usual petty crimes, this should have been investigated.
Bryn Hendry I was thinking the same as I watched.
+Lee Sin JG small towns don’t have a dedicated staff of homicide detectives, usually get called in from bigger urban areas which are overstretched and have huge budget cuts anyway. Stephen port was actually very smart and deceiving besides doing it in the same place and the dumb suicide note idea, only after that did murder even cross the police mind. Police might’ve just assumed dodgy product was in rotation on the streets. If port had done this same crimes in a built up urban area with lots of nightlife and had spread out his murder areas, sick fucks like this are untraceable.
Bryn Hendry cops job is to clock in and drag out the case and maybe get some overtime and if realy lucky get to travel somewhere while they dont do their job properly. Cause if they do their job they would arrest ppl who do crime instead of bullying ppl because they dont respect cops authority.
vigilant citizens like John are the real heroes.
Grass
@Witchfinder Nielsen I'd guess he's more cash money than you are, edgelord
Excuse the intrusion, but I'm not sure a sentence should start with 'besides', a semicolon should have preceded not a full stop; Anyway have a peaceful day.
My heart is with you, John.
Bruh you here :D
I love ypur channel
I don't believe for one second that the police couldn't put this together, they didn't even try. Thank goodness for John Pape, he saved a lot of lives.
i think its been edited to look like he did all the work though
@KoivuTheHab Police are time wasters,there is no lie there.
@KoivuTheHab but then had the police traced who wrote that chem sex story to John via Facebook they would have found Steven sooner.So stop defending these stupid police officers.They waste time tracking car offences like speeding,tax and insurance but take forever to close murder cases meanwhile more people are behind killed
@KoivuTheHab you sound so ignorant prick,respond to what l said.Im actually a PHD student so who needs an education between you and l.I'm not going to stoop to your level,clearly you are a police officer or someone who licks ass for a living.Grow a pair and stop supporting morons.
@KoivuTheHab you are the one who needs to grow up constable,lm not the one who made you and your generation useless.Pot calling the kettle black,l doubt you finished your GCSE's🤔🤔
I knew one of the victims, Anthony. He lived in my halls at university and we would often party together and we got on really well. He was such a kind and funny person and by no means a "druggy". I am so sad that he his gone but I am so thankful for the hard work that John has done so that Stephen Port is where he belongs. I just can't believe it took 3 other victims to get to that point....
Georgia Rose I'm so sorry you lost your friend.
I wish someone would write a book on the victims, so we can get to know them, before they are forgotten by all but those that new them - perhaps you (miss Rose) could suggest this to a publisher... Im reading The Meaning of Matthew, by his mother.....
Sorry for your loss. Take care lovely
I’m appalled at the way the police handled this
John you’re a hero, without your dedication for justice, in honour of your friend it’s likely he would have killed again, and again and again
I pray for your peace, and your happiness my friend
And this is London police.they didn't take this case much seriously.
@@nashnash3644 yeah, it got me wondering, is this kind of crime (not sure whether I should call it "hate crime", as the perpetrator, apparently, was gay, himself) a frequent occurrence in the United Kingdom?!?
Goes to show, you don’t have to be related by blood to be family. This guy investigated as if it were his own. True hero.
After living with him for 6 weeks though? Its unusual to be close to someone in that time.
David word. That’s what I was thinking
@@David-cm4ok He was probably a good sex partner, but it didn't work both ways. That is why Gabriel went to those orgies.
@@bjarnestronstrup9122 fair enough.
@@bjarnestronstrup9122 I bet it was sex for free rent agreement.
Full support to BBC Three for giving this man his right to speak and hold the police to account. A really interesting and eye opening documentary, vital to the gaps in modern day policing that aren't quite being reached by the checklist they have currently. I can only hope that as a result of these recent findings that the police have a further inquiry into their methodology, however the public statement they issued as a result of this is appalling.
It's like investigating crack head deaths, or something like that. Nobody cares about a bunch of low life, degenerate deviants. Nor should they.
Brotein 7 don’t you have a bus to step in front of tomorrow? No one gives a shit about a pathetic excuse of a Human being like you
This still haunts me. I remember this killer used to message me on Grindr all the time and I blocked him every single time. Years went past and I came across this story online and it affected me the way I didn’t even think it will. I went into deep depression and still find it really hard to trust guys. It could have been me and that scares me still to this day. I can’t thank God enough to have my back and protect me from this monster. My heart goes out to all the victims and their families ♥️
I'm glad you are safe and it must be a horrible feeling for you. Yes, the bad man was as ugly outside as inside. Take care x
Your intuition protected you, thank goodness you blocked him.
Man, you are lucky enough to take the correct move on time.
Do you think God protected the 4 victims as well?
@@Jack-xy3pm God isn't real. This was pure luck. If God was real, he'd protected everyone, not select people.
This is really scary, how could the police have missed something so obvious, that a person could make the link using Google but the police couldn't is so worrying.
It also lends to the belief that they were protecting the killers and that the person accused of these killings was probably a patsy.
Don't be wet.
Kate McNamara I agree.Very scary!
Kate McNamara because when people find something interesting and reaaaaly focus on it ,they pay way more attention to it/spend more time on it.because its much more personal.not just a job. for example when somethings wrong with your body and doctors seem to get it wrong or just dont know what it is, youre most likely gonna find out about it before any doctor IF you chose to realy look into it.
Anni Psy I mean I do get where you're coming from but this evidence was really easy to find, a Google search was all it took. It's just hard to think that the police wouldn't look into this case more closely when so many young, gay men in the same area were killed.
I am so happy people like you exist in the world. thankyou for not giving up on your cause.
18:03 "I think if you only encounter a community or a group of people by policing them, that potentially you develop a prejudice about them." Truer words were never spoken.
"please don't blame the guy I was with last night"...!!!???
Are you serious ? You don't go immediately check who he was with that night ? you don't go and check the computers and the chat logs ?
Do you call yourselves policemen ?
sharefactor Yeah but in Rotherham they knew but were too scared to admit it for fear of being labelled racists. Here there was no such excuse. This is an absolute travesty.
more than that, they assist in covering it up because of the institutionalized paedophile networks in Parliament.
I need a friend like this dude. What an incredible guy doing what he did.
Huh - so this dude did his own investigation and was more effective than the local police. Go figure ....
The police didn't do shit!
Happens a lot in murder cases! Almost like you have to do your own leg work to get anywhere.
Are you kidding? After the second death, the police couldn't, or just wouldn't, make a connection? Any half-witted detective should have been able to take one look at the first two victims and based on their physical resemblance: body type, hair, and facial features, the fact the victims were relatively found in the same area, less than a mile away from each other, that should have been more than enough to establish a pattern.
theylied1776 and that they would've both had GHB in their bloodstream
@theylied1776 yup I know righttt u took the words right out of my mouth , and who knows if they even ordered a drug test for his autopsy,even thou if they did or didn't it still comes out on the check up on the blood which is procedure ,it seems to me a lack of police and corner (ppl with all the files) job or like they didn't even bother much with them cases ,and who really knows if and how long it took them to reach his parents and give them notice ,and long story short , the case is so simple to solve if u put some caring into it and really do their jobs correctly ,both boys also would and I bet had the same drugs in there systems and c'mon can they show anymore lack of their work , they could of saved the other 2 boys if they would of just worked with the evidence they had with the 1st 2 boys ,they were just found streets away from eachother ,meaning that's the area he kills or just dumps the bodies ,but still they could of staked out all around that area in a undercover cars and easily would of caught the murderer ,......and even brake his code to facebook and read his messages I'm sure there was a bunch of information in the inbox messages ,..enough to pin down the killer
But GHB is rapidly cleared by the body via first-pass metabolism. That's why so many women who report date-rape lack any phlebometic evidence.
razakel I didn't know that. Hmm, well even so the police were extremely lacking imo.
Well, you likely know nothing about pharmacology. Personally, I'm fascinated by the anthropological and societal implications of illegal drugs.
This is so sad. The lives of those young men taken. I'm happy that the friend kept pushing to be heard. He saved future victims from a horrible death
Police are racist and anti gay. If I wasn't straight I would cross the road to Port who looks like an escapee from a Freak Show.
(gay men) huge difference
Manchester Utd Luke 1988 what do you mean?
Manchester Utd Luke 1988 so you're saying being gay is a disease?
it is? 200 years ago you'd get tortured for having it. No one fully accepts gays. Maybe on face value when people lie to gay peoples faces but no one understands or accepts them, never will.
There's nothing more heartbreaking than a person trying to be strong and solid in front of the camera but then intense emotions breaks through. He really did everything he could. I want a friend like that 14:17 we need people like this.
Also, it's hella suspicious to write "don't blame the guy I was with last night"
Yuna Exactly my thoughts. Can’t believe they didn’t bother looking into it.
Also the fact that when the police were asked if they checked the handwriting with the family they said yes but clearly they didn’t
Proper retardation/ autistic to not find it suspicious 'Dont blame the guy i was with last night', jeez
Ashley R. Lmfao right 😂 nobody says that afrer a suicide note. His ass guilty
Kinda like, " Don't check my trunk..I hit a deer in reverse"!!! They definitely need an outreach/ liasson officer for the Gay community!💝
That guy should be a police investigator
HJD What a lad He used common sense when something pricked his conscious something the police didn't do.
This guy was a damned good story teller and narrator. Someone needs to hire him ASAP!
Pretty sure the BBC hired him already
I'm sure they did
Why is this gentleman John not a politician he is the type we need, so eloquent, such critical thinking. Ugh
Zoe Mariella .. hi Zoe , your hot , wanna chat ?
^ this guy is a person who u should watch out for
@@bostonbruins1235 creep
bobr.mp4 Your a Homosexual so keep chasing little boys !
BOSTON BRUINS 12 little boys would be peadophillia that kinda the law
Men have a false sense of security, which is partially why they engage in risky behavior that women have been taught to avoid. Many of the worlds worst, most prolific serial killers exclusively targeted men, so the sense of security actually works in the killers favor. Randy Kraft was a serial killer in Los Angeles who killed over 60 men and some were marines. It’s terrifying to think that an average man could plan his murders so well that he could eventually take down a much larger, stronger man. Serial killers are cunning and that’s the problem. Once you realize what’s going on, it’s too late. So use your best judgment and don’t let your sex drive dictate your behavior.
This dude is a really clear thinker - gives some hope for the evolution and development of further empathy, love, and down to Earth living while keeping the well-being of others in mind
"Please don't blame the guy I was with last night..." come on that's like kids mystery show level obvious. It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.
It is funny though
It almost seems fake. Who would write that and think that would work.... AND IT DID. Lord knows if I was that dude and wrote that, theyd would be like "we got em guys.... cuff em"
I can see him getting arrested now like "and I would have gotten away with it, if it wasn't for those pesky kids and that dog" lol
@@abigailarizmendi1261 hhhchhcccccchhhhhccchyxx
@Witchfinder Nielsen I pray that you are joking
"Homophobia is a strong word. But I think if you only encounter a community or a group of people by policing them, that potentially you develop a prejudice about that community. And I am therefore left wondering whether the problem is there is a lack of diversity within the police force, that they are still seeing the gay community as something other". Powerful words!
Gay as fuck.
@Tanel k what?
I agree. Powerful and Insightful. 🖤
I think this is so extreme, it's outrageous even to homophobes...
Its the gay people themselves who alienates themselves from others
When ordinary people are MORE competent THAN police officers and a coroner for that matter. SMH 🤦🏼♂️
Don't rely on the police, they aren't worth it.
What a great guy. Glad he got to share his story - may they all rest in peace x
Christina Bentley Well said
They were gay so they will be in hell now according to the bible.
If I got murdered my room mate probably wouldn’t have noticed till rent was due, lmAo.
I meant your room mate not landlord
Damn
Dude... Lmfao😂😩😂
Im fuckin weak 😂😂🤣 its better then roomin with friends and mixing money with personal. Roommate smart if u ask me
Mr. Rotundus i hope you are ok
This guy is a hero. He can replace the entire police department and still do a more effective and efficient job.
What a friend. You have my respect.
His gay lovee
tweetle d so?
i think this fella so well articulated his account of things, sensitively and so spot on with everything
@KoivuTheHab yes he did but how was that his fault?
@KoivuTheHab ok I may be, please explain how
@KoivuTheHab I didn't claim he was not at fault, I said how was that his fault? As he was just feeding back the clever lies the murderer had feed him like anyone would as it sounded believable & he thought it would validly help the investigation
i actually deleted my grindr after being sent the message "i will find you". shit terrified me
This is so horrible. The fact that he was trying to make sense of it while the police were simply trying put it all to rest is sickening.
Grindr is Full of Sociopaths, guys please be careful.
a grinder is a tool to roll joints :P or to crumble your weed
Grinder is to roll joints with a tool :D
Kenny Clauw yes that is what a grinder is but grindr (no e) is a gay dating app
your from ,the uk or the states :D just c urious
ah you w'ere on grinder then? :D you want a date lol
John is a real human being with real compassion and sympathy, something most of society lacks nowadays.
Should have called it the Grindr Killr
Jamessuperfun Fuck you, people died.
Harry Dibbs Sometimes you just gotta look for a silver lining, where there isn't much of one at least there's a shitty pun.
I don't think a small pun in the name is really disrespectful. It's not insulting, it's just a shitty pun.
Jamessuperfun No you're just fishing for likes you idiot. If it was your brother or another family member found dead in a graveyard would you like it if ppl joked about it or made puns?
Meehbaoui I imagine indifference. It's a pun, not an insult.
Jamessuperfun Jerk
What an amazing and dedicated friend.
the police never thought to compare the handwriting of the victim and the alleged suicide note?
The whole police department should be fired.
David Groves true... if they had just sacked all of the nurses in the ul after beverley allet killed the babies... we would never have a baby death in the uk again. why do the goverment not see the sense in such things??
He's such a good friend for investigating :) + Shame on the police :(
xiaorishu oh my God! hey! I used to watch the crap out of your videos! hope everything is going well for you!
What a smart, compassionate, tenacious man
*THIS MAN IS A LEGEND!*
They should make a movie about him he went above and beyond to get closure for his friends death and in getting his message out he saved many people.
It's being filmed now, the barking murders with Stephen Marchant
Yes .thanks..
There’s also a tv show. Called four lives.
that kid from slovakia looked so young . this fella port is pure evil
And John did all of this for a guy he'd known six weeks (give or take) John is someone how needs more recognition for his work. We should all aspire to be like John.
You posted this a year ago, I bet you haven't changed your ways at all in that year to be like john pape
He feels so guilty that he never asked Gabriel where he was going.
: ( such a great friend really he didnt give up on the truth or giving justice for his friend...just wow
should be up to Gabriel to give him that info-might want to keep things private
this guy is a hero for invistigating into this. total respect
I wonder how many cases we’ll never know about because there wasn’t a dedicated friend like this guy.
John is very articulate and should be a detective himself.
Nona Yobiznez I doubt that he is hardened enough to be able to stand it.
I love everyone's appreciation of John in the comments. you deserve it m8
John should have been a detective. He deserves a hell of alot more recognition for what he did. He probably saved god knows how many other young men's lives. Bless 'em.
Pathetic effort out of those who are meant to "protect and serve" us all.
R.I.P. to them all.
Nothing new then same thing with Brett!
Its awful poor men who had their lives taken away to soon
What a brave, determined and compassionate man. Smart enough to follow the trail and have justice carried out. He has a heart of gold. I want to be his friend!!
@Yes No why do you say that?
What an amazing friend and human being you are, John. Truly an inspiration....
this guy is so insightful and expresses his thoughts so well. He would be a great detective.
This is an excellent documentary. His diligence and loyalty to his friend truly helped take a murderer off the streets! It's just a shame that the police pussy footed around and 3 more people died! What if they had been straight and sober? Quicker and more thorough investigation? Hmmm...we can only speculate but this guy did better detective work than the real detectives, and put the puzzle together quicker! So that should've told them just how obviously linked the crimes actually were! I'm sorry they died that way. Nobody deserves that, gay or straight! Sigh....what a world!
Carla .McD couldn't agree more! +1
Carla .McD he met a "friend" online whom he immediately let live with him. When Gabriel said he was moving out, he openly admitted in the beginning that he didn't even ask where. This guy is no friend. He has used this for attention and fame since. He had pics of the first three victims. Very young Blondish Twinkie looking men. Then rambles on and on about how it could be him next. He is 40 years old with a little boys hair cut. Something just isn't right with this guy either. He continues to exploit these men, pretending to be an lgbt crusader while going around town pretending to cry and vomit at every turn but only when talking about if it had been him. May I never be blessed with such a "friend".
Oi Jess you're right! What old man is cruising gay sites to rent out rooms to young men?? Why is this weird behaviour allowed in the gay community? Is it because of the whole daddy kink thing?? Cause if that was my son I would be sickened to think he was living with an older man like that. It's automatically predatory. And I'm not upset but I do worry for young people a lot. I know how naive I was.
vegan vegeta it is really sad. To imagine fleeing a predator to answer a ad by a serial killer.
sickening
Wow friend like him exist..what a nice friend n great human being..respect ...
I honestly think the friend investigating on his own should be a police officer, he could have used his determination and passion to save other lives. Too many meatheads are entering the police force and we wonder why they are bad at their job, well duh thats what happens when you feed a police culture that nurtures meatheads over critical thinkers.
a lot of it is that they're binded by the rules. if this guy joined the police he'd be in the same position. life isnt like the books and films- you go off and try and investigate without protocol, you lose your job and nobody carries on looking in to it anyway.
Officers get corrupted
Bethan H private investigator maybe
I certainly does look like the police in the area didn't give a shit about the local gay community.
Nah, I don't think it has a thing to do with their sexuality. They were stupid to not see the signs, but I really don't think the police could give a shit who you have sex with.
police not only dont give a shit about the gay community, they are preoccupied with jihadi johns here there and everywhere.
white privilege
Idc tbh
Police only patrol the richest parts of town, I see it myself
This man is amazing. The things he did to get justice for his friend and stopping a killer from murdering more men. Shame on the police for being so negligent. My heart breaks for him, he still feel such guilt and sadness. I would recommend reading the books of Dr. Brian L. Weiss to anyone that lost loved ones. Those stories of his patients help me with my grief.
This guy wasn't some long time friend, he was a roommate hed only known for about 6 weeks. Yet he dedicated himself to figuring this out and wouldn't give up. He worked harder than law enforcement did. Talk about a stand up guy. And he also seems really kind and humble.
what a good friend this guy is god bless u .very 😔
This guy deserves some recognition in the UK!!! I’m so proud to see the passion and determination you exuded in closing this case, here’s to you!!!!!
Use to see this creep on the bus all the time. He used to sit at the back usually eating chicken and chips, he was always on his own. Gives me shivers fucking creep. R.I.P jack
UR3ANFISH but bus was it? He looks scarily familiar
The number 62
the murderer or the guy who investigated
Lol I think eating smelly food on the bus is actually against tfl policy 😂.
But no honestly I thought he was a creep because of his demeanour. He appeared anti social and aloof.
UR3ANFISH who though ? The dude in the video or the killer ?
Yet another showcase of the police's failings in this country. My thoughts to the friends and families of all the victims.
Cor Blimey I agree. This guy has more passion for justice than the police do.
What a beautiful person you are John. You did everything you could, and we are proud of you.
John you are a beautiful human,and friend.
Very sad story. The police definitely dropped the ball. He said something so powerful here. "When the only time you encounter a certain type of group is when you are policing them, then you can develop a prejudice". We see that here in the states. There does need to be more diversity and sensitivity training.
colette s Obama never did not support the police.
Obama was at the funeral for the cops that got shot in Dallas and was calling cops racist there...Fuck that... Also he had BLM at the white house, which committed terrorism on police.
Having BLM at the Whitehouse was ridiculous.
colette s Your police do seem to take the war on crime abit to literally. Alot of black men & women seem to be unfairly killed at the hands of your police.
Talsong Kingslayer sensitivity training means not shooting a man with downs syndrome because he had a toy in his hand. Or how about not locking a woman and her 4 year old child in a police car after she witnesses you killing her boyfriend? Or, oh, even NOT IMMEDIATE JUMPING PUT OF YOUR CAR AND TAZING THE FIRST BLACK GUY YOU CAN FIND THEN SHOOTING HIM WHEN HE RUNS. Yeah. That sounds like some good sensitivity training, aka these are human beings not animals to put down when you can't be fucked to reason with them.
John, you are a truly amazing, special person. I'm sure that Gabriel would think this too. You are clearly a thoroughly decent human being, and your friends and family should be very proud of you. Be happy, you deserve it. Total respect for you.
sorry for your loss. You are a wonderful friend.
The police need replacing by smart people with good thinking skills.
The League of incompetent losers has just as much right to the honors and high paying and prestigious positions in society as do the conscientious and intelligent people, even though the incompetent posers don't and cannot do their jobs properly. They stick together in their leagues and their unions. You cannot blame them for striving (cut-throat acting and competing) to climb the career ladder in a world that is beyond their abilities.
you can have good thinking skills in daydreaming all day!
Smart people don’t become police officers. It’s a low wage, no college degree needed job.
These are the kind of stories that SHOULD be covered by EVERY public broadcasting station!!!
John you are a very special, intelligent man gifted with deep insight and sensitivity. Thank you for being a caring soul, there are too few such people on planet earth.
how are those deaths not suspicious????? either theyre really horrible at their job and its a miracle they still work orrrr (more likely) they don’t care about the gay youth. i mean an autopsy can show if they had drugs in their body and if they got any recent injuries. i can’t understand any other way to imagine why the police didnt care
peach “hmmm he was stabbed 4 times in the back and shot from 10 feet way. Ok let’s rule it a suicide.”
Hard to care when you've been labeled a homophobe
John seems like a great guy. I want to give him a hug.
Wow. What an articulate and erudite interviewee. And an absolute warrior. Well done, sir.
God bless that guys friend. Seriously. What a hero and loyal friend.
Gabriel was very loved to have a man so invested in the importance of his life to fight so hard for justice. There’s Beauty in this story. It’s tragic but there’s Beauty too.
Homophobic police didn't give priority... To these men
It upsets me to say this, but I feel they didn't care at first.
Then 4 murders later... they react due to press and pressure. This screams prejudice and it sickens me.
If you're curious, I'm straight.
Police are usually stupid and undereducated!
@Tonya Antony did you watch the video? There was no chem sex party ffs
It's sad.
Whoever picked the music for this docommentary deserves a raise! Lots of Boards of Canada and Aphex Twin! I just love BBC III lately.
Also, great doc. That gentleman doing his own investigation is so articulate and commendable. Such a sad story.
Burial too!
Wanna sit on mommy's lap?
-Tim
Liter-ally thought the same thing then saw ur comment
I came here to notice if anyone noticed lol
Was not expecting to hear Boards of Canada here. Now i want to stop the video and listen to that album.
This man did more work than the police and he deserves a medal for what he did. He didn't give up and he possibly saved future lives from the sick serial killer. It's just too bad the police didn't take it more seriously because more deaths could have been prevented. RIP
Very sad but well done for your tenacity and independent investigations. RIP.
Peter Shields RIP
Absolutely horrifying !! How could this happen when the police knew about it all along🤔
E Baina one word, homophobia
John is a genuinely good person, the world doesn't deserve him.
Sure hope that stupid police gave that man a job as a detective after they figured out he was right all along... anyway... sad story, RIP Gabriel and all other victims.
Indra Eindhoven he didnt do anything that impressive
dont downplay what he did for his friend and the other victims, he helped the families of the murdered a lot
Ingeborg R maybe you're right. he did help. I just wonder how close they really were. this is one of dozens of interviews, specials. it seems I question his motives. I question anyone who seems to seek to squeeze all of the fame they can from a really bad situation. maybe he is a honest honorable guy. Perhaps I'm jaded lately. somewhere in the middle....
I actually got that vibe somewhat when he was in the graveyard and then had to walk away, I dont know why. I see where youre coming from, definitely. But he also seemed very passionate when he was talking about how retarded the police were about the whole ordeal, and the breakdowns he had seemed real.
Ingeborg R well, I do believe they were actually negligent. maybe I've been watching to much dark stuff online. lol I question everything and everyone. it was one of my new year's resolutions. stop with all the murder TV, internet, books. it is actually changing who I am and just any confidence in humanity. lol. So, noted. lol.
What an amazing friend! Everyone should be so lucky to have someone like him in their life.
Bless you mate, everyone needs a friend like you. ❤️
what an articulate beautiful soul. bless him for being such a good friend