I've been a loner from childhood to totally sane septuagenarian. Just because a person is a loner is not a reason to assume they might be crazy. It's simply the nature of more people than you'd think.
Yeah, I'm middle aged female with no siblings or children and considered a "loner" and I'm nowhere near crazy. I'm really tired of all of loosely suggestive crap that "loners" get. 😢
@@snowblo1 Yup! At 65 and childless as every year passes it just reassures me I made the right choice. I just wish all these opinionated people who think they know me better than I know myself would STFU! I have heard it all: I'm selfish, greedy, heartless, will regret it, don't know what I'm missing, and the capper...I Better learn to die alone. Here's what I think: I do not need to create a child to validate my life, I'm not that insecure!!!
@kendall Evans Well I'll be turning 50 soon, and the one thing that I'll be honest and say that I still struggle with; is not so much not ever having children, but the fact that I believe my Mom really wanted to be a Grandma. Thank God, she isn't the type of Mom that would always nag me about when I was going to get married, or "when are you going to give me grand babies." Til this day, she's never mentioned it. But when she's engaging with he friends and they're constantly talking and bragging about their grand kids, I can't help but to feel inadequate, guilty and ashamed. Something I still need to work on. 😫
I was working that day on overtime since it was normally my day off. I knew Jennifer San Marco quite well, she would sit with me sometimes at lunch wanting to know how to buy stocks which I knew a lot about. I also knew everyone she killed, they were my co-workers who I had worked with everyday for years. When she started she was a great worker and very friendly, but after about a year that changed and she became a complete different person. Many believed that she had stopped taking her medication but no one really knows. I first noticed it when I said "Hi Jennifer" and she didn't respond but gave me an angry look. I thought maybe I had offended her in some way, I just didn't understand it because she had spoken friendly to me almost everyday for more than a year before that. Anyway, the night it happened, I heard the gunshots while I was scanning Priority Mail and then everyone started to run to the dock where the trucks were, for safety. Dexter Shannon was one week away from retirement. Charlotte Colton was actually not a supervisor like the video says, but an employee trainer. She actually was not working that night, she had just popped in for a few minutes to leave off some paperwork, even though she could have done it the next morning. Also not mentioned in the video, a deaf employee that she really liked when she worked there, was at the time clock ready to leave when she spotted him. He later told me she smiled at him and then went on her way, he was spared! Also not mentioned in the video, right after she shot Charlotte Colton, she aimed her gun at the head of a lady employee who would have been killed for sure, except for the fact that her gun jammed, giving time for that employee to escape. I had worked at that office since 1989 and loved working there, but after that happened in 2006 it just wasn't the same. I happily took early retirement in January 2013, after 23 years. Of course, it is a day I will never forget.
Wow ,what an amazing story great to hear some facts first hand , SHOULD do a RUclips story about it , Might be therapeutic maybe help people know what signs to look for when people seem to be going off the deep end
I used to work with a guy that was very difficult and a bully. The women were afraid of him. He got written up once and got very mad and said he quit and went stomping out. A while later he called from his car in the parking lot to talk to the boss almost crying saying he wanted his job back. The boss had had enough of him and his causing a hostile work environment. She said no. He then said he felt like killing himself. She called the police and had him escorted off the property. Everyone was afraid he was going to come back and harm them. The women got escorts by security to their cars at night. I remember thinking I’m 6’4” and 285. I’m not afraid of this guy. I should have been. I got a call from another coworker that this guy had set himself on fire in his parents driveway. They witnessed and it and his father tried to put the fire out. They both ended up in a burn unit and both died. I learned a lesson. If that guy would do that to himself? We are very lucky he didn’t come in and kill all of us.
My sister did that to herself,died, So much emotional PAIN. From Abuse. THERE IS NO WAY she could have done that to ANYONE ELSE!🤬🤬🤬 Your IGNORANCE IS OVERWHELMING!
@@jeanettecoleman-mz7ie there was a loving man named Ben Gilliland. From San Diego. Kind, loving, etc….wouldn’t hurt a fly! Used to molest me on a daily basis for yrs. He was my step dad. Just cause it was your sister, doesn’t mean it couldn’t have happened.
@@jeanettecoleman-mz7ie❤❤❤ I'm so sorry for your loss 😢 it must be such a huge burden to carry 😢 I'm praying for you to experience some peace after such a devastating loss 🙏
Very tragic! People have horribly fragmented personalities and the mental health system is failing humanity because it is controlled by Big Pharma and the government. People need love and community support to thrive, not psych meds.
My husband works at the post office and he complains about one woman who's constantly singing as loud as possible the entire time they're in the office.
I would have asked her what her friend's name was and who was winning the argument. Some people go through severe trauma to the point that they split. Then the trauma is reinforced and becomes two distinct personalities; however, it is not usual for the other personality to be percieved as outside the body. It is most often an amnesia type episode whole the person's personality takes over a task or deals with a similar situation as the one that has caused the split. Then, there are people that get into "spirit guides", and the person can become demonized. Messing with the occult like that usually leads to what is percieved as mental illness. What they need is deliverance. Then, there is the person that percieves such a greivous wrong has been done to them that it eats them up. These too, need deliverance. I've met all three in my life. Then there is the true Schyzophrenic, which is a genetic disorder that can be inherited. Last but not least, victims of mind control often have these kinds of issues.
I worked at a mail facility for 37 yrs. Some people you could tell were a little off. I tried to be nice to everyone. People would laugh at me and say "why do you talk to him/her? You know they're crazy." After watching the movie "Stalking Karen Black" and seeing how he let the one lady go cause she was always nice to him I made that my mission. I looked for areas that I could hide if a shooter came in. You never know what people are thinking or what they're going through. But since I had a schizophrenic brother, I recognized the symptoms when I saw it in people. They become obsessed with people for no reason and won't let it go. Years can go by and they're still taking about that person and how that person is telling people things about them. I left them alone. One missed pill and you might become their target. Not trying to offend anyone. But it's real and you have no idea unless you've witnessed it in someone. Just try to be kind to people. It might just save your life.
You're right there. In my experiences with schizophrenia, it's just a matter of time until they shift gears on you. Friends, family members, professionals, doesn't matter. Miss a dose or two and it's all downhill from there. Coincidentally, I'm also a postal worker of over 30 years who generally keeps it cool with everybody. Hope your brother is doing ok, it's a tough hand to be dealt.
That's a lousy reason to be nice to everyone you encounter - you should do it anyway - regardless of your desire to escape your possible future death by murder. Seems, um, self serving at best. "Just try to be kind to people" because it's the right thing to do.
I had a government job as a painter that exposed me to hundreds of people in their different workplaces, and I met several who were waging war against the whole place in their heads every day. Even the happiest people were paranoid and territorial compared to any other places I'd worked, except maybe one where I was the only guy who hadn't been in prison. Institutionalisation is a real Petri dish for mental health issues. There was/is a good support system in that gov't job, and the pay was great, but I couldn't handle the culture at all. Someone would ask me every day if I had been a painter on "the outside". That creeped me out.
Sad part about someone like her is that although you report it and are legitimately concerned for that person’s safety and others, you’re usually told that there is nothing anyone can do. That basically means someone has to be injured or killed until something is done.
It's because humans are the worst species on the planet. In times where people were confined with mental illness, they were generally treated horribly.
I worked for the USPS. If they target you for whatever trivial reason they can make your life a living hell. I endured this from management for 13 yrs. If someone is not mentally well it can easily send them over the edge.
I had a friend who worked at our local USPS processing center as a temp during Xmas one year. She hated it. She said the supervisors acted like drill Sargents. She said they weren't friendly at all. She also said they had 2 way mirrors and they would watch you and if they felt you were moving too slow, they'd suddenly show up and start yelling at you in front of other employees, instead of talking to you in private. I remember she would come home sometimes in tears because a supervisor had yelled and belittled her in full view of everyone else. Years later she still talks about the terrible treatment she received there.
I worked as a rural carrier briefly. I delivered packages for them over Christmas and really enjoyed it, but once I got hired on full time everything was different. Management tries to make your life hell, and they constantly belittle you. I told them I quit one day, and they called me early the next morning and begged me to drive an hour and a half to come in, only to sit me down with the postmaster and officially fire me. Fuck USPS. When I say they belittle you, it's not just when you mess something up. If you ask a question or take up one second of a supervisors day, they will tear you down in public. The most toxic place I've ever worked. We would have union meetings where the rep would tell us straight up its us versus management.
So true I work at the postal service and they chose me to target. I remain calm though I see it as a joke, but mentally it takes a toll. Especially if you’re not doing so well. Ect. It’s a very toxic place to work and it changes you. A lot ppl don’t talk about it enough.
i pulled an attacker who was stabbing a security guard off him. this person was clearly mental. This happened at a Social Security office in my hometown, in 2009. The security guard was not professional and provoked the attack. he was stabbed 3 times before I could get to him. He's lucky to be alive. One needs to treat everyone with respect.
I was employed at the Washington DC processing and distribution center in the late 80's until the early 90's. A woman used to verbally harass me endlessly. I reported it many times. An Inspection Service agent informed me that they couldn't do anything until this deranged individual "made a qualitative change in behavior." When I reported that I was physically assaulted, they immediately arrested the individual, and that was the last time I saw her.😬
I was watching the intro and started recognizing landmarks. Then I realized, I live about a mile from this postal facility. Chilling. the strangest thing to me besides the obvious, was that I have never heard about this before. What a mind blower.
Same! Give me some shows to watch and knitting and a full fridge and pantry and I’m a happy camper, I swear if I could live in one of those celebrity mansions where you have your own pool etc I’d be set lol
Our mental healthcare system in this country is basically non-existent. I have a schizophrenic son who has had full blown psychosis at times and a harm to himself and trying to get him help has been a uphill battle trying to get him the care that he needs. Sick patients over the age of 18 have autonomy over their own health decisions. It's been extremely frustrating.
My younger brother is like that. He was protected by my mother up until her death. Toke years to get him disability and a place to live and has been a nightmare for him and his bad episodes were scary. He’s 60 now and is a mere shell. There’s really nothing there. It’s so sad.
I do Hope Well for you, and your son! I hope you will continue to "contact every Mental Health and Organizations" that you can! Please consult an attorney that 'may help' you to legally 'force' the MHO's to help you!
Sorry to read that. I wish you the best. Prayer does help me mentally. I pray for everyone that means something to me...I'm not even religious, my mother told me 4 decades ago that you don't have to be religious for God to help you. 😢 ❤ the world doesn't have to be a horrible place. It's great because you are in it with all of us. ❤❤😊
" Part of her problem was admitting she had a problem." That was true of nearly every mentally ill person I've ever known in the inpatient psych facility I worked at.
I had been self employed for 25 years then recently I started working at a hospital. Its the first time I've ever had a Corporate Job / 9-5 job. For the first time I understand how this sort of thing happens. People at this hospital Gossip like hostile middle schoolers. They are back stabbers. Ive just never experienced anything like this environment before. I have almost quit a couple times because of the brutal rumor mill. My supervisor changed my shift so this shift of people seem to be a good bit more mature and kinder. I have seen two physical fights in the 7 months ive been employed at this hospital. I could totally see someone coming in and taking everyone in the breakrooms out! Im surprised it doesn't happen more often in these places. :0 the only way ive been surviving this job is not talking to people much buut smiling. I never use the breakroom and i use lockers in another part of the hospital.
@@nadinevandewater348 now it doesn't surprise me that things go wrong in hospital setting and there are medical lawsuits. The amount of stress that nurses put on one another with gossip and stretching the truth to be unrecognizable. A Nurse told me to never tell anyone any personal business because it will be completely twisted as she has experienced it and seen it too many times with her fellow nurses. She expressed its stressful as hell.
Thank you I work at a post office in Southern Indiana.. bullies fights lies gossip. If anyone ever tried to fix it all levels of leadership will bully you. I look at the ground and smile just because it’s so hostile and unsafe. Thank you… at least one person knows what I’m talking about.
Gossip is everywhere....i do independent contract deliveries and theres still insane amounts of gossip on social media about the job even tho we all work independently
in the 70s & 80s, I worked at a sorting center. Everyone felt trapped. They weren't going to find another job, with pay and benefits, to match a high school degree. Supervisors micro-managed people they didn't like. One employee, stabbed the postmaster to death. A woman killed a non-employee. The killer killed her ex-boyfriend's current girlfriend. Several people, I kept an eye on. If they started acting even more strange, I was going to get out of the way. Probably 10% of the graveyard shift was drunk every night, including one supervisor.
Its amazing whats allowed to go on in the workplace fromsupers and others. Its disgusting.when something happens all the great pretenders comes out of the woodwork.
My father took a job at South Central post office in Toronto. It was a pre retirement job from being an accountant most of his career . He took the night shift. He said how the manage made life there miserable . He walked into the washroom and a worker had a few lines of coke layed out and offered some to my dad , who refused . Nothing like that happened while he worked there .
@@sastrugi4471 How about ensuring the person isn't a ball of anger and fury and violent intent, and get them help. You take a dangerous weapon from them, they going to find something else. But you take that anger from them and give them some sense of peace. You won't have the first part to deal with right? Sometimes the obvious solution isn't always the best.
One of my night law school study partners worked full-time for the postal service. He asked me to a BBQ which turned out to be all coworkers of his. He considered himself an employee employment grievance liason. I have never spent a more unpleasant afternoon. Those people spent hours complaining about their jobs and planned their grievance tactics. I understood a lot more what "going postal" was really about.
Some people who mind their own business expect other people to do the same they just want to be left alone they don't want to be harassed on the job or anyplace else
As a female supervisor within an Alabama city, I had to put up with constant harassment from supervisors above me, secretaries and then employees under my supervision. All I ever tried to do my 28.5 yrs there was to be professional, treat people the way I would want to be treated and have employees just do what they’re paid to do. When I retired I had just been through a 3 month investigation brought on by allegations of a 16 yr old summer employee. After the investigation, there was no evidence I did what he accused me of. The next summer, the city attorney called me and told me I had to hire him again that summer. I told the city attorney, if you force me to hire him again, I will sue the city for making me work in an harassing environment. He wasn’t hired in my division but was in another division in the city. In my 28.5 yrs, I watched as supervisors and secretaries stole time, merchandise, had po’s cut and processed for equipment they used for personal use. Equipment disappeared never to return. I was told I could not get comp time for working over my scheduled time but watched my supervisor take off for weeks at a time and never used his leave time…..ever. He didn’t even know how to code the leave on his time card. I watched secretaries who covered for these supervisors get to work through their lunches and at the end of the two weeks put their worked lunch time on their time cards as comptime worked. Getting an additional 30 min each day of their compensatory time getting an extra 2.5 hours of comp time per week. But, even though they were working through their lunch time, they would only do things for my supervisor during that time. If I needed anything, they told me to come back after lunch! Deep corruption and you could not do anything to stop it. Also at the end of my tenor with this city, the Mayors assistant hired a retired football coach as our dept head so that he could get into the states drop program for 3-5 yrs. This program was developed to allow employees considering retirement to put equivalent of their salary into a retirement account and at the end the state would match the money. It was so crazy and truly a way for the top employees in the state to rip off Alabama. That program was discontinued the year before my retirement. I never understood how this guy qualified for that program since he’d not been with the city 10 yrs prior to be vested! Continued fraud of the top city people!
my worst experiences at the post office were with my fellow letter carriers. Now that I've been out a while I realize they are really, really stupid or just plain evil. I also think many postal workers hate themselves for ending up there. My office was a perfect example of the "crabs in a bucket" scenario.
My sister worked in a post office, similar things happened there. I always say, "Why expect Godly things from Un godly people." there are so many Un Godly People walking around. Honesty and integrity are dwindling. the one common thread that I see, a split home or a home where there is no accountability for the Children being raised. They are no longer raised but grown until they can go to college learn something and get a job. They unfortunately never learned the basics of work. They grow up looking for how to get out of work, the welfare system is being manipulated for un earned gains as well. Now apply this to our government today and easy to see this country will fall soon.
My mother fortunately was on vacation when that happened and the ladie that was covering for her got killed. My mother till this day feels very bad. But I'm very fortunate to still have her here.
This hits deep, my older sister is schizophrenic and it took us 3 for years to finally get her the help she needed, it was a complete change over night in college. She was completely normal one day and the next completely different. Every now and again she shows improvement but it doesn’t last. As soon as they started talking about symptoms and behavior I knew what this lady’s issue was. Sadly so many had to die because our health care system sucks and they should have made her get help.
As a psych health care nurse for 30 years, we can only do what we are allowed to do. Patients are placed on their meds. They do well, but yhen think they don't need the meds and come off them - it is we especially true of bipolar Patients. We need full on psych hospitals like we used to have in 1960s to protect the mentally ill and possible victims including families.
@@ceceliamonge3235Bipolar2 patients like myself benefit in a huge way with Benzos..and the FDA has decided that this is at a level of Oxycodone. Its absolutely ridiculous. Benzodiazepem helps with head injuries, quitting drinking, anxiety and so much more. Not abused, it can change a person's life. The hospital orders 3mg a day..i had to fight and battle to be kept at 1mg. And raised to 2mg per day. ...and thats not alwats taken, some days it might be. Its a power drug, but some ppls mania and nervous systems are totally out of wack. I had it real bad with head injuries too. When removed i slur my speech, cant feel my own hands and feet....and it is impossible to get. CPTSD on top.of that....idk, nothing else has helped like that.
@@ceceliamonge3235 If anyone try's to put me in a locked facility, again, I'm going to do whatever it takes to not go. The Bellview is not a very nice place. People don't understand the heavy dark pain I suffer.
I currently work at the post office in Florida, employees are no longer screened, no tests for drugs or anything, disrepect and violence are everyday occurences.
@@dee1973 there are no perfect workplaces. I'm currently looking for a new job because my hours were cut in half (while the new employees hours were increased) for no reason. One doesn't have to work for the post office to be treated badly at work. For months I was told "Don't bend over like that in front of me." I was just doing my job.
My friends son worked at facility in Goleta and seen it all go down ,he said it was an experience he will never forget,He transferred over to another facility to try and forget it all .
I worked in mental health for years. I can tell you, it’s rare for a MH patient to receive adequate care and follow up. I did what I could, relentlessly trying to improve quality of care, get Therapusts and Psychiatrist to raise their standard of care, to include families and/or community resources in individual treatment plans that would improve outcomes, build trust, improve compliance, keep communities safe, etc, etc. the general response from the MH staff was apathy, only a few willing to dedicate themselves to successful quality of care. Those patients unwilling to stay on medication to control symptoms and prevent harm to self and others, could easily be Court ordered to accept appropriate, effective medication, (regularly scheduled injections). But most Psychiatrists refused to go that route, didn’t want to get that involved. As a result, MH patients often went off their oral medication and some became suicidal/homicidal and killed others and themselves. After 28 years of exhausted effort to improve care, I finally had to quit, so exhausted I developed a dehabilitating illness, MS, from all the anguish and stress of advocating for change, fighting for MH patients and their families.,
As a mental health patient , I Truly do appreciate all your effort. Wish it would have done something cause this is ridiculous. The mental health care system is a laughing matter right now. And I hate to say it, it really is. Brilliant and as a mental patient. I want you to know that most of us are doing our best to try to be normal. Most of us are not violent. Like that put air every now and then somebody snaps and does somethi'm really if you wanna put a blame to it, we could blame the metal health system.That's very true
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Yes! I came here to comment that every male in her life, when interviewed, first centered her value, abilities, and personality specifically on her looks and their attraction to her. And then, when she didn't fall at their feet (I mean, how rude) the descriptions change to less flattering adjectives. Gross.
@@nanastan9 I didn't hear any of them insinuate that she didn't "fall at their feet". It's natural to notice someone's attractiveness, which includes the way they carry themselves. They all said positive things about her until she displayed odd behavior - yelling, talking to herself, getting angry, etc.
@whodat5020 looks are part of life stiff, why not comment on them? A small percentage are considered beautiful, the rest of us just aren't, so what. Why do women wear make-up, nevermind marketing products. Grow up, it's not everything but it's a component.
I am a former postal worker. All the USPS has to do with these nut cases is that USPS hires people who can pass the test (or at least they used to?) and it's not easy. You have to have a near photographic memory and be very adept at recognizing patterns and do well with numbers. I was in my first year when the Edmond, OK PO slaughter happen. I watch all of these documentaries. I can see how the work environment could push a mentally ill person over the edge. This woman should have been sent for mandatory EAP counseling. Way too much abnormal behavior was overlooked by the management.
Me too. I retired from USPS and the phrase “ going postal “ is intriguing. I remember how it was like when I first started. A time when an angry employee almost hit another with a parcel while throwing it to a hamper😂. A normal conversation that turned into a verbal fight. It takes wisdom to get along with people. “A soft answer turns away wrath. “ . A smile, a help, encouragement. When a customer tells me, “I miss you”, it’s good enough for me that I made a difference. We all can. 😮
No way. The narrator for Frontline is absolutely amazing. He’s not British. The British narrators are great if they are great; the North American narrators are great if they are great. Neither is better than the other but I would give the edge to the Frontline narrator.
She suffered from serious schizophrenia and refused treatment. Thousands loose on the streets right now. It’s a wonder these types of tragedies don’t happen more often. She was a special case for sure.
Sometimes when a person gets promoted to a supervisor position their ego also gets boosted. They start believing that they’re entitled & superior to others & start treating others poorly. I’ve witnessed this at many companies I worked for.
🤣🤣🤣I’ve witnessed low level employees that have been there for years act like that anyway with new hires and feel threatened by them several times now…
This is where the phrase "going postal" comes from, believe it or not. Not from this specific incident, but incidents like it that have occurs at post facilities in the past
There IS a reason it is overlooked…. People stigmatize and condemn those that seek any mental health care, so those suffering often keep it to themselves so they don’t get the negativity or often times fired from their jobs. This is especially true for first responders, health care professionals and the like.
This woman is not the worst out there, but yes, mental illness drove her to this. You do not ban guns because of incidents like this. But guns should not go into the hands like this woman who obviously was suicidal and could have been because of the medication she was on. But medicine and psychological care is what people like this need before another incident happens.
People think beautiful women are angels, every coworker talked about how beautiful she was and can not believe how such a beautiful woman would do something like that. Mental health is for real and has nothing to do with the way we look.
Beautiful people get away with murder. There are open doors for them everywhere. Some serial killers have been very attractive. The reason they got away with killing for so long.
Clearly she suffered from Schizophrenia. I wonder why none of her family was mentioned. It’s as if she moved away from them and didn’t have a relationship. Clearly she was on her own. I feel sorry for her and the innocent victims.
Like how the guy said “you know and she said see I paid, as she turned to her imaginary friend”…This is a grown ass woman. Alarm bells going off in my head!
The suggestion that a person is a loner is a good reason to assume she/he might be crazy is absurd. Most serial killers, if not all, had wives, kids and friends.
Most? I don’t think so. Jennifer San Marco was a nice lady that was getting bullied at work. She had no choice. She had to do something. She had her reasons. I totally understand. The Jennster Rules biotches 😮😊😅
Something that bothers me about this video...hardly any time was spent, parsing out what happened to her as a young child...what about any of her other siblings, or other relatives? Growing up in horrible environments is usually a big red flag, when folks go bonkers as adults!...Our existence is so random, so subject to the dynamics of our upbringing...none of us has a choice about any of such things, when we are born. I am old now, but made sure to thank my "normal" parents for providing me with a sense of being loved and wanted. Many people are not so fortunate!
@@curbozerboomer1773 True. But lots of people go through horrible childhoods and come out...well, not vicious. Not saying the abuse has nothing to do with becoming a serial killer, it usually has a lot to do with it.
That was really scary when they said she came in with lipstick smeared all over her lips.. not put on correctly. But what's scarier is when you can't help the person that is clearly crazy. you can only offer them help.
I'm really moved by what the interviewees had to say, positive, reflective and fact based. They are clearly still shaken and I hope they, and the surviving family members have found some peace since 2006.
@@ixfr123 What is an edgelord? My reference was bringing attention to the pubic servant, who was pushing out some tears. There are others that shoot unarmed people or people having mental problems, or citizens just running away... and LAUGH AND JOKE about it.
@@968porsche9 You mock people who saw the bodies of people they knew. Stop pretending like you would be jaded and too cool to cry if people you were friends with were murdered and you saw their bodies lying in a pool of blood.
Kind of weird that there is only one photo of her as an adult (presumably a drivers license) and one childhood yearbook photo. She must have really avoided the camera.
Astonishing nobody could say anything about her family other than "a distant relative." Surely she didn't enroll herself in school as a minor. Did anyone claim her body...
Jeffrey Dahmer tried to claim it but the morgue workers became suspicious when he arrived carrying a knife and fork with a napkin tucked into his collar.
I worked for the post office for 10 years.I did not talk to many people there that’s the way I was.fair employee. Some people there were real bastards breaking balls.
What strikes me is that there was no information that came from her family or relatives. I suspect she possibly came from a very broken family. At some point she became homicidal and carried out her rage on innocent people. It’s really an unspeakable act she committed that affected so many people.
She may have come from a Mafia family. Where she learned to be vindictive and believe in revenge. Some of her family may be prison/dead. I wondered also why her past history seems to be SCRUBBED! SHHH!
@Raw Olympia Organized Ritual Abuse is something I thought about. Her abusers (family bloodline) split her personality and created a personality that was ALWAYS thinking of Revenge! After she left college ,there's a Big GAP in her history until she shows up in California. ( drivers license photo looks in middle 30's!) She doesn't have Any other Drivers licenses from other States?
exactly and she was treated very badly... this video only tells one side of the story and none of her "fellow" workers are ever going to admit they treated her bad
You don't know that she wasn't offered help by somebody. Outside of that, there is little anybody can do. Being crazy isn't against the law. Plenty of people talk to invisible Gods, are they crazy? Should they be locked up? Whole churches full of them.
And how do you expect people to help her when some families have one of their OWN family members with schizophrenia and it takes them years to get real help?
I had worked at the post office and was not treated well due to my ethnicity. I was told we had to hire you people. I didn't like the way I was treated. So I left. I would never harm anyone. Have a great job and I am very happy where I'm at. My condolences to all the families and victims. Such a sad tragedy.
"We had to hire YOU PEOPLE." 😢 I'm sure you 💯 % were abundantly qualified to be in that job, or they wouldn't have hired you. I'm sorry you were subjected to that. I've been lucky to work with companies with a diverse workforce of mostly good people myself.
Lots of us were not treated well in there. Not due to ethnicity. The Postal Service is just ran by a bunch of clowns. Most of the supervisors are just gutless brainless idiots.
As a white guy who worked at the Post Office for 36 years, I do not believe your story...from my observations, the P.O. bent over backwards to make sure there was no discrimination going on..I worked with hundreds of ethnic minorities, and believe me, if a minority felt they were being treated unfairly, the problem was solved very quickly.
Where she was living in New Mexico was just a little tiny town. It probably didn’t have any psychiatric services at all. To get adequate mental health services you have to live in a town of about 250,000 and have regular employment and good insurance.
Crazy how her mind was breaking, but she continued functioning to make money and survive, slowly breaking down more and more til it feels like she's barely hanging on by a thread. Talking to imaginary friends which she believes are real, whilst paying bills. Just goes to show how important it is to have loved ones around. Too bad family didn't take notice and step in.
@@crystalwater505 ah, are you one of those people that shuts their brain off and can't even talk about things you're even the slightest bit emotional about? Anyone who isn't virtue signaling or saying the same obvious thing over and over is frowned upon. Okay how about this "wow what she did was terrible wow this was so awful" Victimizing her would look something like this: "she got screwed over and had no choice but to do this" calling her crazy, and finding it interesting how she held it together and functioned for so long whilst she's clearly losing touch with reality is not victimizing her. If you think that way then got off twitter.
I worked for a large municipality in Florida back in the two thousands and their was an employee new hire that I started hanging out with a little on the weekends my girlfriend and I would go to him and his wife's house he also had two children. On some weekends play cards have a few drinks.after 4 or 5 months of hanging out I started declining invitations I just got board and had other things to do. Well let's just say he made the next 5 years very hard for me at work. It was like he took it super personal that I ended the weekend parties. But he just wouldn't let go. Luckily I was able to retire early and what a relief 🥶🥳
OK she killed 7 but she certainly was not in her right mind what a shame she didn't get the right help. Also would like to say RIP to the7 who were killed may there family have peace❤
I have a friend who was having a mental breakdown, he had himself sectioned at a mental facility, because he couldn't trust himself to not hurt others.
My Aunt did that too. She lived with my Grandmother who was very domineering. I really can understand my Aunt wanting to go bonkers on my Grandmother. Everything worked out and my Aunt was left a whole house by my Grandmother and my Aunt also retired from a bank after like 40 years with a nice retirement package. I thought it was good what my Aunt did... deciding to voluntarily commit herself instead of harming my Grandmother.
So she had mental issues, but she wasn’t seeing a doctor or therapist, or on medication. I have mental health problems but I also have all those things to help me, so I don’t hallucinate or feel depressed or suicidal. Mental health matters. Much Love ❤️ from Australia 🇦🇺
Im friendly like that with everyone when I see them but I like to be by myself and people say I’m stand off ish at first. People say in an introvert at heart but also you have charisma. I truly love being by myself. Anyone else?
My dad, retired Sgt in the RCMP, has always warned me, *Don't fear the serial killer, fear the one that is suicidal!! They have nothing to lose because they don't plan on sticking around, so they'll take many along with them*
@Cheryl Johnson Not necessarily. How many times do you hear that a serial killer pleads guilty to take the death penalty off the table for example, or hide, use aliases etc etc Also, as my father stated, the odds of being killed by a serial killer, well, odds are better to be struck by lightening. Then, stop and think about how many murder, suicides you hear of.
all the people that think some ones looks matter many great looking people are the ones to worry about and big burly or just non attractive people will be the ones to save your butt
I worked at the Post Office for 30 years. It's not a strenuous job physically but it could be mentally challenging at times. Being watched from Supervisors regulary and being told what to do when they don't know. The Postal Murders back in the 80's were caused by the Supervisors. It made a big change how things would be done by the employees. Supervisors were pulled off the floor for a long time. Just a few would be out watching nervously. The report came back that the main killer is a 'Armed Forces' age in mid 30's or more. The shooter would likely be a white man who took some crazy crap from a supervisor. One incident! You're told your shoes are illlegal and taken off the clock and told to go home and change them in 1 hour. After you get back he tells you were ok and didn't need to go home. Just one of the many things that can cause a Murderous veteran rampage in the workplace. But it's not over. Something will happen again.
@@snowblo1 he’s probably not doing his job correctly. I used to manage people. Many need vocal inspiration to do their work. And sometimes that inspiration comes in the form of ‘do your fucking job already!’ Call it micro management. It’s also called getting the job done with lazy ass employees.
I’m sure everything you said about the job is correct, but I don’t think that you respond to an enraging event with violence unless that violence was already inside you. I think the horrible conditions exacerbated the mental health issues that someone already had.
From what I understand, working "inside" at a large postal facility is extremely stressful. 25+ years ago, I was offered a maintenance job with the postal service. I assumed it would be a position that I traveled to different locations daily in a van furnished with the tools I needed. But I declined the position when they informed me I would work daily in a facility like this one in this video. It was a well paying position, but I wasn't interested when I learned that my job only involved one place every day.
Yes. I worked in the Post Office for nearly 40 years. Mostly driving. But yeah, stuck with the same people every day, week, year, you could end up hating your best friend. Same work every day too, very unfulfilling work.
Tragic for the victims and their families & friends. Also tragic for San Marco, who should have been followed by medical professionals as early as her first 51/50. Terrible tragedy for all. 😢
Why? Are they serious? This is what happens when people ignore people that need mental help. This woman was obviously offer rocker for a long long time and no one said a thing
There was nothing you could do even if you "said anything ". She refused to believe she had any problems. No family to step in and force her to get help. Takes 3 immediate family members to have one committed.
@@deeprollingriver52No-one. Denise was sympathizing about MH issues and mentioned her experience with MH with her sister. I'm not sure why her comment triggered you but I do not see that Denise said anything wrong.
I agree with you, even if someone stop any med, That that might be taken, is there is a possibility of doing something so out of the ordinary, No, some thing happened, that brothered her , in a way that changed her perspective, about others. Thay became an enemy. A object, not a person.
Really tragic. This woman obviously had no family support, and refused to get help. It's also really horrible that she decided that she needed to take the lives of others, not just her own.
She was seriously insane. To bad she couldn't be committed even when the signs were so obvious. Now innocent people lost their lives, sad, really sad 😢
I dated a girl in my 20’s who had a mental breakdown after her car was broken into and someone used paperwork from that break in to then break into her house… When she stepped off the curb of reality into the street of chaos… I saw that I could not help her and she would not let a professional help her. She was found running nude in a park at 1am… She was committed for mental evaluation and spent a month in hospital, and she moved back to her home town to live with her parents… God bless her I hope she is doing well…
I'm quite confused as to how someone with such clear extreme signs of mental illness (including schizophrenia like outbursts in public) wasn't taken somewhere, when so many clear and present situations seemed to have had happened. It's not like she was someone just suffering from a minor bout of depression or slight changes in her personality. We are talking about multiple and severe outbursts and alarming behavior. Many being instances that would have clearly been enough for authorities to step in and demand some treatment and/or attention. I guess that's why some numbers point to as much as 20% of the homeless population in the US suffer from schizophrenia, even though people suffering from this serious illness make up only 1% of the population. This is not a new thing either as people like this have bee living o the streets, most going completely untreated or assisted. It can be completely debilitating and one of the wealthiest countries in the world allow the Medical and Insurance corporations essentially ignore or turn down treatment costs. Even when those "lucky" individuals that do get treatment, if you're not independently wealthy or have a job that has excellent insurance, they end up in state institutions that are overrun and with short staff that are underpaid and in many cases not qualified enough. Then there's the cruel treatment, physical and sexual assault and other abuses. . . . just to name a few things that make it a nightmare. . . . . and people wonder why human beings don't want to get this treatment. So much so they would rather live on the streets and slowly sink into an abyss of darkness, pain and sickness as their illness spirals out of control. Not to mention all the other dangers anyone who is on the streets must face. These people were born into a hard life, not by choice and deserve to be treated with dignity and respect. They desperately need the proper care and attention.
Look at her past work and position at Dept of Corrections. She was no wall flower to have that past job. If she wanted to be left alone... I bet she made it well known and convincingly. I bet those cops had an earful and handfull getting her out of the PO. The lady was trained with a gun and knew how to act with authority when she wanted to.
Yet, with her history of mental illness, and her forcible removal from the postal sorting facility by Santa Barbara county sheriff's deputies, she still managed to pass a Federal background check, and a 15 day waiting period, and buy a pistol and ammunition in Grant, New Mexico. What a broken system we have.
Very interesting case! Female mass murderers and shooters are extremely RARE! Everyone should have reported her strange behavior to the authorities before it was too late. My condolences go out to all of the victims families and friends involved 🙏🏽🕊
It was reported. Since she was fired and moved away it was probably problem solved in their eyes. Since it is so rare then even nowadays probably nothing would be done.
@@ianlitchfield9273 Truth and what crossed my mind reading the post. I worked in the supermarket business and my fellow employees robbed the store at gun point in one store...luckily I was filling in at another store that night. Anything and everything happens in a lot of work places people assume are quiet and peaceful. Make it a point to be nice with your co workers so if they go nuts they will spare you. One of the guys that robbed my store was off the clock the night before and helped me fill dairy because he knew they were working us ragged.
My theory is that she had a hidden rage/anger/resentment issue that no one else saw. She gets mad at her neighbor for calling the police due to loud noise.... then gets escorted out of the post office by cops due to mentioning suicide...
I have seen so many I.D.(Investigation Discovery) and videos like this one, but I had never seen this case...It's shocking, to say the least. I wish somebody had helped her issues sooner. I wonder how was her family, and how was her childhood.
During the AIDS epidemic in the 1980’s a lot of guys were afraid of “AIDS Concentration Camps” and there were some powerful political movements afoot. They managed to get legislation passed where you couldn’t forcibly lock someone up b and make them take their meds. At about the same time b Big Pharma convinced a bunch of politicians that the costly mental hospital system could be shut down, because big Pharma now had anti psychotic meds to control severe mental illness.
The system of state mental hospitals was shut down , then laws were passed so you couldn’t forcibly round the insane up and forcibly make them take their medications, thus we have the current mental health crisis b in the United States . 😅
She had already exhibited mental health problems and yet she was able to purchase a deadly weapon. The mandatory waiting period was just that: a waiting period. A deeper check on the MENTAL qualifications/ background of a gun applicant would have disqualified this unbalanced woman. RIP Common Sense.
I've been a loner from childhood to totally sane septuagenarian. Just because a person is a loner is not a reason to assume they might be crazy. It's simply the nature of more people than you'd think.
Include me...
Same
Yeah, I'm middle aged female with no siblings or children and considered a "loner" and I'm nowhere near crazy. I'm really tired of all of loosely suggestive crap that "loners" get. 😢
@@snowblo1 Yup!
At 65 and childless as every year passes it just reassures me I made the right choice. I just wish all these opinionated people who think they know me better than I know myself would STFU! I have heard it all:
I'm selfish, greedy, heartless, will regret it, don't know what I'm missing, and the capper...I Better learn to die alone. Here's what I think: I do not need to create a child to validate my life, I'm not that insecure!!!
@kendall Evans Well I'll be turning 50 soon, and the one thing that I'll be honest and say that I still struggle with; is not so much not ever having children, but the fact that I believe my Mom really wanted to be a Grandma. Thank God, she isn't the type of Mom that would always nag me about when I was going to get married, or "when are you going to give me grand babies." Til this day, she's never mentioned it. But when she's engaging with he friends and they're constantly talking and bragging about their grand kids, I can't help but to feel inadequate, guilty and ashamed. Something I still need to work on. 😫
I was working that day on overtime since it was normally my day off. I knew Jennifer San Marco quite well, she would sit with me sometimes at lunch wanting to know how to buy stocks which I knew a lot about. I also knew everyone she killed, they were my co-workers who I had worked with everyday for years. When she started she was a great worker and very friendly, but after about a year that changed and she became a complete different person. Many believed that she had stopped taking her medication but no one really knows. I first noticed it when I said "Hi Jennifer" and she didn't respond but gave me an angry look. I thought maybe I had offended her in some way, I just didn't understand it because she had spoken friendly to me almost everyday for more than a year before that.
Anyway, the night it happened, I heard the gunshots while I was scanning Priority Mail and then everyone started to run to the dock where the trucks were, for safety.
Dexter Shannon was one week away from retirement. Charlotte Colton was actually not a supervisor like the video says, but an employee trainer. She actually was not working that night, she had just popped in for a few minutes to leave off some paperwork, even though she could have done it the next morning. Also not mentioned in the video, a deaf employee that she really liked when she worked there, was at the time clock ready to leave when she spotted him. He later told me she smiled at him and then went on her way, he was spared!
Also not mentioned in the video, right after she shot Charlotte Colton, she aimed her gun at the head of a lady employee who would have been killed for sure, except for the fact that her gun jammed, giving time for that employee to escape.
I had worked at that office since 1989 and loved working there, but after that happened in 2006 it just wasn't the same. I happily took early retirement in January 2013, after 23 years.
Of course, it is a day I will never forget.
Sorry for the loss of all your colleagues 😢
God bless you, Bill.
Damn😣😣😣😣
Wow ,what an amazing story great to hear some facts first hand , SHOULD do a RUclips story about it , Might be therapeutic maybe help people know what signs to look for when people seem to be going off the deep end
Thank you for your riveting story Bill. Take care of yourself. Clara from Scotland. 😢
I used to work with a guy that was very difficult and a bully. The women were afraid of him. He got written up once and got very mad and said he quit and went stomping out. A while later he called from his car in the parking lot to talk to the boss almost crying saying he wanted his job back. The boss had had enough of him and his causing a hostile work environment. She said no. He then said he felt like killing himself. She called the police and had him escorted off the property. Everyone was afraid he was going to come back and harm them. The women got escorts by security to their cars at night. I remember thinking I’m 6’4” and 285. I’m not afraid of this guy. I should have been. I got a call from another coworker that this guy had set himself on fire in his parents driveway. They witnessed and it and his father tried to put the fire out. They both ended up in a burn unit and both died. I learned a lesson. If that guy would do that to himself? We are very lucky he didn’t come in and kill all of us.
My sister did that to herself,died, So much emotional PAIN. From Abuse. THERE IS NO WAY she could have done that to ANYONE ELSE!🤬🤬🤬
Your IGNORANCE IS OVERWHELMING!
@@jeanettecoleman-mz7ie there was a loving man named Ben Gilliland. From San Diego. Kind, loving, etc….wouldn’t hurt a fly!
Used to molest me on a daily basis for yrs. He was my step dad. Just cause it was your sister, doesn’t mean it couldn’t have happened.
@@jeanettecoleman-mz7ie❤❤❤ I'm so sorry for your loss 😢 it must be such a huge burden to carry 😢 I'm praying for you to experience some peace after such a devastating loss 🙏
Wow!
Very tragic! People have horribly fragmented personalities and the mental health system is failing humanity because it is controlled by Big Pharma and the government.
People need love and community support to thrive, not psych meds.
Having a coworker engaging in a conversation with their imaginary friend all shift would make me very uncomfortable!
My husband works at the post office and he complains about one woman who's constantly singing as loud as possible the entire time they're in the office.
Just uncomfortable?! These days I'd be looking for another job asap before they snap.
Same. I wouldn't stick around.
Well, deal with it, because mentally ill people need to work too. You're no better than them. America creates sick people, so deal with it!
I would have asked her what her friend's name was and who was winning the argument.
Some people go through severe trauma to the point that they split. Then the trauma is reinforced and becomes two distinct personalities; however, it is not usual for the other personality to be percieved as outside the body. It is most often an amnesia type episode whole the person's personality takes over a task or deals with a similar situation as the one that has caused the split.
Then, there are people that get into "spirit guides", and the person can become demonized. Messing with the occult like that usually leads to what is percieved as mental illness. What they need is deliverance.
Then, there is the person that percieves such a greivous wrong has been done to them that it eats them up. These too, need deliverance.
I've met all three in my life.
Then there is the true Schyzophrenic, which is a genetic disorder that can be inherited.
Last but not least, victims of mind control often have these kinds of issues.
I worked at a mail facility for 37 yrs. Some people you could tell were a little off. I tried to be nice to everyone. People would laugh at me and say "why do you talk to him/her? You know they're crazy." After watching the movie "Stalking Karen Black" and seeing how he let the one lady go cause she was always nice to him I made that my mission. I looked for areas that I could hide if a shooter came in. You never know what people are thinking or what they're going through. But since I had a schizophrenic brother, I recognized the symptoms when I saw it in people. They become obsessed with people for no reason and won't let it go. Years can go by and they're still taking about that person and how that person is telling people things about them. I left them alone. One missed pill and you might become their target. Not trying to offend anyone. But it's real and you have no idea unless you've witnessed it in someone. Just try to be kind to people. It might just save your life.
Well said.
You're right there. In my experiences with schizophrenia, it's just a matter of time until they shift gears on you. Friends, family members, professionals, doesn't matter. Miss a dose or two and it's all downhill from there. Coincidentally, I'm also a postal worker of over 30 years who generally keeps it cool with everybody. Hope your brother is doing ok, it's a tough hand to be dealt.
I do not discuss my personal life nor do I participate in the awful rumor mills. I smile but don't talk much.
That's a lousy reason to be nice to everyone you encounter - you should do it anyway - regardless of your desire to escape your possible future death by murder. Seems, um, self serving at best. "Just try to be kind to people" because it's the right thing to do.
I had a government job as a painter that exposed me to hundreds of people in their different workplaces, and I met several who were waging war against the whole place in their heads every day. Even the happiest people were paranoid and territorial compared to any other places I'd worked, except maybe one where I was the only guy who hadn't been in prison.
Institutionalisation is a real Petri dish for mental health issues. There was/is a good support system in that gov't job, and the pay was great, but I couldn't handle the culture at all. Someone would ask me every day if I had been a painter on "the outside". That creeped me out.
Just because someone is a" loner" it doesn't make them dangerous or a killer .
What is the line that makes the difference and someone dangerous
If they get married.@@PraveenSrJ01
Exactly. We are many. We even have a club with annual meetings.
Nobody ever shows up.
@@oliviajohnjohnolivia8142 LOL
@@Traitorman..Proverbs26.11😂
Sad part about someone like her is that although you report it and are legitimately concerned for that person’s safety and others, you’re usually told that there is nothing anyone can do. That basically means someone has to be injured or killed until something is done.
sad... 😭😭😭
It's because humans are the worst species on the planet. In times where people were confined with mental illness, they were generally treated horribly.
Then i help the family accountable to do the right thing
Your exactly right ,I hear it many times in true crime cases when an ex is stalking them ,to many times and they end up dead .
What’s the solution to that?
I worked for the USPS. If they target you for whatever trivial reason they can make your life a living hell. I endured this from management for 13 yrs. If someone is not mentally well it can easily send them over the edge.
I had a friend who worked at our local USPS processing center as a temp during Xmas one year. She hated it.
She said the supervisors acted like drill Sargents. She said they weren't friendly at all. She also said they had 2 way mirrors and they would watch you and if they felt you were moving too slow, they'd suddenly show up and start yelling at you in front of other employees, instead of talking to you in private. I remember she would come home sometimes in tears because a supervisor had yelled and belittled her in full view of everyone else. Years later she still talks about the terrible treatment she received there.
No wonder they saying people go "postal"
I worked as a rural carrier briefly. I delivered packages for them over Christmas and really enjoyed it, but once I got hired on full time everything was different. Management tries to make your life hell, and they constantly belittle you. I told them I quit one day, and they called me early the next morning and begged me to drive an hour and a half to come in, only to sit me down with the postmaster and officially fire me. Fuck USPS.
When I say they belittle you, it's not just when you mess something up. If you ask a question or take up one second of a supervisors day, they will tear you down in public. The most toxic place I've ever worked. We would have union meetings where the rep would tell us straight up its us versus management.
So true I work at the postal service and they chose me to target. I remain calm though I see it as a joke, but mentally it takes a toll. Especially if you’re not doing so well. Ect. It’s a very toxic place to work and it changes you. A lot ppl don’t talk about it enough.
@@leont5096The term comes from someone who snapped
i pulled an attacker who was stabbing a security guard off him. this person was clearly mental. This happened at a Social Security office in my hometown, in 2009. The security guard was not professional and provoked the attack. he was stabbed 3 times before I could get to him. He's lucky to be alive. One needs to treat everyone with respect.
Like you do calling people "mental"?
The attacker was violent.
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I was employed at the Washington DC processing and distribution center in the late 80's until the early 90's. A woman used to verbally harass me endlessly. I reported it many times. An Inspection Service agent informed me that they couldn't do anything until this deranged individual "made a qualitative change in behavior."
When I reported that I was physically assaulted, they immediately arrested the individual, and that was the last time I saw her.😬
I don't believe you.
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I don't care!
@@fgoogleinthea7475 Shut up!
Yep i worked at Edgeworth & Brentwood. People dont know the sht supervisors talk to people because of their position.
@@WarriorsCherub999
900 Brentwood Road!
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I was watching the intro and started recognizing landmarks. Then I realized, I live about a mile from this postal facility. Chilling. the strangest thing to me besides the obvious, was that I have never heard about this before. What a mind blower.
Agreed, I went to ucsb and I’ve been in that post office a million times. Never once heard about it
Wow
Wow 😯
And I thought that I'd never heard about it because I've never been to wierd primitive out of the way places like wherever this is.
interesting how the media choses the stories to highlight. a ex police officer female with a pistol doesnt fit the narrative.
I’m a introvert, loner. I feel comfortable this way. Private person period 😊❤
Yes
Freedom is a beautiful thing. Enjoy life and Peace to you
Same! Give me some shows to watch and knitting and a full fridge and pantry and I’m a happy camper, I swear if I could live in one of those celebrity mansions where you have your own pool etc I’d be set lol
@@allysonmoore2363 yes, My name is Johnathan I’m the introvert this is my wife Sherry tablet she pass on. In the year 2022 in the March
Same! Plus I have Bipolar Disorder II. I need my peace & quiet after a very busy work day.
Our mental healthcare system in this country is basically non-existent. I have a schizophrenic son who has had full blown psychosis at times and a harm to himself and trying to get him help has been a uphill battle trying to get him the care that he needs. Sick patients over the age of 18 have autonomy over their own health decisions. It's been extremely frustrating.
"The mental health system is broken". I took my ex to doctors and that's what they said.
My younger brother is like that. He was protected by my mother up until her death. Toke years to get him disability and a place to live and has been a nightmare for him and his bad episodes were scary.
He’s 60 now and is a mere shell. There’s really nothing there. It’s so sad.
I do Hope Well for you, and your son! I hope you will continue to "contact every Mental Health and Organizations" that you can! Please consult an attorney that 'may help' you to legally 'force' the MHO's to help you!
Sorry to read that. I wish you the best. Prayer does help me mentally. I pray for everyone that means something to me...I'm not even religious, my mother told me 4 decades ago that you don't have to be religious for God to help you. 😢 ❤ the world doesn't have to be a horrible place. It's great because you are in it with all of us. ❤❤😊
Are you able to get him in a conservatorship, maybe?
" Part of her problem was admitting she had a problem."
That was true of nearly every mentally ill person I've ever known in the inpatient psych facility I worked at.
Also, she was an ex cop.
@@strongfoot2009 🤔🤔🤔how do you go from being a cop to being a post office employee…
@@strongfoot2009 She wasn't a cop. She was a dispatcher for the police.
@@strongfoot2009She was never a cop.
I don't understand. How is admitting you have a problem, THE problem? So denying you have a problem is the solution?
I had been self employed for 25 years then recently I started working at a hospital. Its the first time I've ever had a Corporate Job / 9-5 job. For the first time I understand how this sort of thing happens. People at this hospital Gossip like hostile middle schoolers. They are back stabbers. Ive just never experienced anything like this environment before. I have almost quit a couple times because of the brutal rumor mill. My supervisor changed my shift so this shift of people seem to be a good bit more mature and kinder. I have seen two physical fights in the 7 months ive been employed at this hospital. I could totally see someone coming in and taking everyone in the breakrooms out! Im surprised it doesn't happen more often in these places. :0 the only way ive been surviving this job is not talking to people much buut smiling. I never use the breakroom and i use lockers in another part of the hospital.
Thats scary. I know they gossip a lot in the hospital and nursing homes. But also in other offices.
I’m sorry you have to experience this ❤
@@nadinevandewater348 now it doesn't surprise me that things go wrong in hospital setting and there are medical lawsuits. The amount of stress that nurses put on one another with gossip and stretching the truth to be unrecognizable. A Nurse told me to never tell anyone any personal business because it will be completely twisted as she has experienced it and seen it too many times with her fellow nurses. She expressed its stressful as hell.
Thank you I work at a post office in Southern Indiana.. bullies fights lies gossip. If anyone ever tried to fix it all levels of leadership will bully you. I look at the ground and smile just because it’s so hostile and unsafe. Thank you… at least one person knows what I’m talking about.
Gossip is everywhere....i do independent contract deliveries and theres still insane amounts of gossip on social media about the job even tho we all work independently
in the 70s & 80s, I worked at a sorting center. Everyone felt trapped. They weren't going to find another job, with pay and benefits, to match a high school degree. Supervisors micro-managed people they didn't like. One employee, stabbed the postmaster to death. A woman killed a non-employee. The killer killed her ex-boyfriend's current girlfriend. Several people, I kept an eye on. If they started acting even more strange, I was going to get out of the way. Probably 10% of the graveyard shift was drunk every night, including one supervisor.
The drunk ones were the least likely to do anything.
That’s the key words,micro managed.that’s what does it .screwing around with people over petty thing and harassment.
Its amazing whats allowed to go on in the workplace fromsupers and others. Its disgusting.when something happens all the great pretenders comes out of the woodwork.
@@randallanthony1794lol, my bf micromanages me bc apparently I have "no common sense."
My father took a job at South Central post office in Toronto. It was a pre retirement job from being an accountant most of his career . He took the night shift. He said how the manage made life there miserable . He walked into the washroom and a worker had a few lines of coke layed out and offered some to my dad , who refused . Nothing like that happened while he worked there .
Mental illness is not acknowledged, treated, or taken seriously in this country. Yet I have no idea how this could have been prevented.
Not having access to a firearm would be the obvious solution.
@@sastrugi4471 How about ensuring the person isn't a ball of anger and fury and violent intent, and get them help. You take a dangerous weapon from them, they going to find something else. But you take that anger from them and give them some sense of peace. You won't have the first part to deal with right? Sometimes the obvious solution isn't always the best.
@@jaylu7021 You take away the weapon and get them help. It's just so obvious this person should never ever had access to a firearm.
@@sastrugi4471 If it's so obvious, then why didn't you step in and prevent this shooting??
@@jaymike3302 two pieces of bread either side of your head.
One of my night law school study partners worked full-time for the postal service. He asked me to a BBQ which turned out to be all coworkers of his. He considered himself an employee employment grievance liason. I have never spent a more unpleasant afternoon. Those people spent hours complaining about their jobs and planned their grievance tactics. I understood a lot more what "going postal" was really about.
toxic workplace turns some people go "postal".
Some people who mind their own business expect other people to do the same they just want to be left alone they don't want to be harassed on the job or anyplace else
As a female supervisor within an Alabama city, I had to put up with constant harassment from supervisors above me, secretaries and then employees under my supervision. All I ever tried to do my 28.5 yrs there was to be professional, treat people the way I would want to be treated and have employees just do what they’re paid to do. When I retired I had just been through a 3 month investigation brought on by allegations of a 16 yr old summer employee. After the investigation, there was no evidence I did what he accused me of. The next summer, the city attorney called me and told me I had to hire him again that summer. I told the city attorney, if you force me to hire him again, I will sue the city for making me work in an harassing environment. He wasn’t hired in my division but was in another division in the city. In my 28.5 yrs, I watched as supervisors and secretaries stole time, merchandise, had po’s cut and processed for equipment they used for personal use. Equipment disappeared never to return. I was told I could not get comp time for working over my scheduled time but watched my supervisor take off for weeks at a time and never used his leave time…..ever. He didn’t even know how to code the leave on his time card. I watched secretaries who covered for these supervisors get to work through their lunches and at the end of the two weeks put their worked lunch time on their time cards as comptime worked. Getting an additional 30 min each day of their compensatory time getting an extra 2.5 hours of comp time per week. But, even though they were working through their lunch time, they would only do things for my supervisor during that time. If I needed anything, they told me to come back after lunch! Deep corruption and you could not do anything to stop it. Also at the end of my tenor with this city, the Mayors assistant hired a retired football coach as our dept head so that he could get into the states drop program for 3-5 yrs. This program was developed to allow employees considering retirement to put equivalent of their salary into a retirement account and at the end the state would match the money. It was so crazy and truly a way for the top employees in the state to rip off Alabama. That program was discontinued the year before my retirement. I never understood how this guy qualified for that program since he’d not been with the city 10 yrs prior to be vested! Continued fraud of the top city people!
my worst experiences at the post office were with my fellow letter carriers. Now that I've been out a while I realize they are really, really stupid or just plain evil. I also think many postal workers hate themselves for ending up there. My office was a perfect example of the "crabs in a bucket" scenario.
Holy shit this is nuts
That's the South
My sister worked in a post office, similar things happened there. I always say, "Why expect Godly things from Un godly people." there are so many Un Godly People walking around. Honesty and integrity are dwindling. the one common thread that I see, a split home or a home where there is no accountability for the Children being raised. They are no longer raised but grown until they can go to college learn something and get a job. They unfortunately never learned the basics of work. They grow up looking for how to get out of work, the welfare system is being manipulated for un earned gains as well. Now apply this to our government today and easy to see this country will fall soon.
@@dianevanderlinden3480😮
My mother fortunately was on vacation when that happened and the ladie that was covering for her got killed. My mother till this day feels very bad. But I'm very fortunate to still have her here.
Glad your mom wasn't there. Life or death hinges on small decisions sometimes...
aw. she shouldn't feel guilty, it was a random act of evil, noone was to know. I'm sure the family of the victim know that too. x
This hits deep, my older sister is schizophrenic and it took us 3 for years to finally get her the help she needed, it was a complete change over night in college. She was completely normal one day and the next completely different. Every now and again she shows improvement but it doesn’t last. As soon as they started talking about symptoms and behavior I knew what this lady’s issue was. Sadly so many had to die because our health care system sucks and they should have made her get help.
As a psych health care nurse for 30 years, we can only do what we are allowed to do. Patients are placed on their meds. They do well, but yhen think they don't need the meds and come off them - it is we especially true of bipolar Patients. We need full on psych hospitals like we used to have in 1960s to protect the mentally ill and possible victims including families.
@@ceceliamonge3235Bipolar2 patients like myself benefit in a huge way with Benzos..and the FDA has decided that this is at a level of Oxycodone. Its absolutely ridiculous. Benzodiazepem helps with head injuries, quitting drinking, anxiety and so much more. Not abused, it can change a person's life. The hospital orders 3mg a day..i had to fight and battle to be kept at 1mg. And raised to 2mg per day. ...and thats not alwats taken, some days it might be.
Its a power drug, but some ppls mania and nervous systems are totally out of wack. I had it real bad with head injuries too. When removed i slur my speech, cant feel my own hands and feet....and it is impossible to get. CPTSD on top.of that....idk, nothing else has helped like that.
@@ceceliamonge3235I worked with a bi-polar woman who was a mess without her meds. Crying loads
@@ceceliamonge3235 If anyone try's to put me in a locked facility, again, I'm going to do whatever it takes to not go. The Bellview is not a very nice place. People don't understand the heavy dark pain I suffer.
So many people walking around here undiagnosed with a lot of different things. My ex of 10 years is schizophrenic. Just a band aid.
So sad all these years later and all these officers are still affected. Prayers to all.
I currently work at the post office in Florida, employees are no longer screened, no tests for drugs or anything, disrepect and violence are everyday occurences.
Get out of Florida while you still can
So it's a typical job? Lol.
I hope it is not typical. I want to see things get better but we need new management, starting with DeJoy.
@@dee1973 there are no perfect workplaces. I'm currently looking for a new job because my hours were cut in half (while the new employees hours were increased) for no reason.
One doesn't have to work for the post office to be treated badly at work. For months I was told "Don't bend over like that in front of me." I was just doing my job.
Ok, I actually understand what you are saying, the Post office would be worse f we did have the
My friends son worked at facility in Goleta and seen it all go down ,he said it was an experience he will never forget,He transferred over to another facility to try and forget it all .
I worked in mental health for years. I can tell you, it’s rare for a MH patient to receive adequate care and follow up. I did what I could, relentlessly trying to improve quality of care, get Therapusts and Psychiatrist to raise their standard of care, to include families and/or community resources in individual treatment plans that would improve outcomes, build trust, improve compliance, keep communities safe, etc, etc. the general response from the MH staff was apathy, only a few willing to dedicate themselves to successful quality of care. Those patients unwilling to stay on medication to control symptoms and prevent harm to self and others, could easily be Court ordered to accept appropriate, effective medication, (regularly scheduled injections). But most Psychiatrists refused to go that route, didn’t want to get that involved. As a result, MH patients often went off their oral medication and some became suicidal/homicidal and killed others and themselves. After 28 years of exhausted effort to improve care, I finally had to quit, so exhausted I developed a dehabilitating illness, MS, from all the anguish and stress of advocating for change, fighting for MH patients and their families.,
You can thank the Republicans for that.
It's an impossible situation - like trying to stop the wind from blowing.
Thank you for such diligence
As a mental health patient , I Truly do appreciate all your effort. Wish it would have done something cause this is ridiculous. The mental health care system is a laughing matter right now. And I hate to say it, it really is.
Brilliant and as a mental patient. I want you to know that most of us are doing our best to try to be normal.
Most of us are not violent. Like that put air every now and then somebody snaps and does somethi'm really if you wanna put a blame to it, we could blame the metal health system.That's very true
Your story sounds very frustrating. I sympathize. You need to take natural anti-inflammatory herbs . A good and easy one is cloves . I take 2 in the morning before I eat . Just chew them up and wash them down with some water. I’m losing my arthritis ( I’m 64 yrs old) and I don’t need as much sleep and wake up well . My blood pressures are 111 over77 . Pretty good ,I’m told. But anyway , anti-inflammatories are plentiful . Most illness is caused by inflammation. Sugar is a huge culprit! So don’t give up and start this easy habit and in a couple days you should see results ! even though your illness is very serious, don’t give up. Turmeric is good , fennel , honey . 😊
This story is so heartbreaking for everyone involved.
"But how? She was sooooo beautiful? 😍" LoL. I threw up in my mouth a little every time someone in this episode brought up her looks.
Yes! I came here to comment that every male in her life, when interviewed, first centered her value, abilities, and personality specifically on her looks and their attraction to her. And then, when she didn't fall at their feet (I mean, how rude) the descriptions change to less flattering adjectives.
Gross.
@@nanastan9 I didn't hear any of them insinuate that she didn't "fall at their feet". It's natural to notice someone's attractiveness, which includes the way they carry themselves. They all said positive things about her until she displayed odd behavior - yelling, talking to herself, getting angry, etc.
So only unfortunate looking women murder? 😂
@@VioletJoy Exactly. It is very human to notice someones looks first.
@whodat5020 looks are part of life stiff, why not comment on them? A small percentage are considered beautiful, the rest of us just aren't, so what. Why do women wear make-up, nevermind marketing products. Grow up, it's not everything but it's a component.
It makes it seen even more scary that she was so accurate those poor people had no chance what a horrible tragedy
DMTBKA
dont be scared grasshopper.
I am a former postal worker. All the USPS has to do with these nut cases is that USPS hires people who can pass the test (or at least they used to?) and it's not easy. You have to have a near photographic memory and be very adept at recognizing patterns and do well with numbers.
I was in my first year when the Edmond, OK PO slaughter happen. I watch all of these documentaries. I can see how the work environment could push a mentally ill person over the edge. This woman should have been sent for mandatory EAP counseling. Way too much abnormal behavior was overlooked by the management.
Dude I really gotta stop watching these at night time, I don’t know why I still always do
Me too
WHO..F..CARES..?????????????????????
Me too. I retired from USPS and the phrase “ going postal “ is intriguing. I remember how it was like when I first started. A time when an angry employee almost hit another with a parcel while throwing it to a hamper😂. A normal conversation that turned into a verbal fight. It takes wisdom to get along with people. “A soft answer turns away wrath. “ . A smile, a help, encouragement. When a customer tells me, “I miss you”, it’s good enough for me that I made a difference. We all can. 😮
WHEN it comes to documentaries dealing with crime, the Brits make the best narrators in my opinion . Narrators can
make or break the show
I agree, and I find that to be true for many types of documentaries.
I Agree!!!
Keith David's narration of 'Pillows and Blankets' is among the best documentary narration I have ever experienced.
No way. The narrator for Frontline is absolutely amazing. He’s not British. The British narrators are great if they are great; the North American narrators are great if they are great. Neither is better than the other but I would give the edge to the Frontline narrator.
@@RobertMJohnsonOMG so true
She suffered from serious schizophrenia and refused treatment. Thousands loose on the streets right now. It’s a wonder these types of tragedies don’t happen more often. She was a special case for sure.
Why do you think there are so many shootings? There are so many like her.
Sometimes when a person gets promoted to a supervisor position their ego also gets boosted. They start believing that they’re entitled & superior to others & start treating others poorly. I’ve witnessed this at many companies I worked for.
Ain't that the fuking Truth
Same here
This happened to me
My dad was like that.
🤣🤣🤣I’ve witnessed low level employees that have been there for years act like that anyway with new hires and feel threatened by them several times now…
This is where the phrase "going postal" comes from, believe it or not. Not from this specific incident, but incidents like it that have occurs at post facilities in the past
We pressure postal workers. Basically, *some* of them might not snap in less stressful situations.
Exactly
It makes me wonder what management is doing wrong having all these attacks in the post office
True
What a shame. Mental health is no joke. There is no reason it's often overlooked.
There IS a reason it is overlooked…. People stigmatize and condemn those that seek any mental health care, so those suffering often keep it to themselves so they don’t get the negativity or often times fired from their jobs. This is especially true for first responders, health care professionals and the like.
The mental health care system in America is a completely joke. You’ll come out worse than going in anyone who denies that is delusional.
Mental health is no joke but the mental health system is
It's sad she never got the help she needed as this mass shooting could have been prevented
Mental health isn’t the issue, mental illness is.
You don’t have to be ugly to be a murderer. It’s just the person’s mind and heart that is ugly.
You are quite the psychologist, Miss Freud.
This woman is not the worst out there, but yes, mental illness drove her to this. You do not ban guns because of incidents like this.
But guns should not go into the hands like this woman who obviously was suicidal and could have been because of the medication she was on.
But medicine and psychological care is what people like this need before another incident happens.
True, and you don't have to have a mental illness to kill....you could just be evil..
People think beautiful women are angels, every coworker talked about how beautiful she was and can not believe how such a beautiful woman would do something like that. Mental health is for real and has nothing to do with the way we look.
Beautiful people get away with murder. There are open doors for them everywhere. Some serial killers have been very attractive. The reason they got away with killing for so long.
I retired from the usps and this story is very sad.
I can understand it if her anger was AT the postal service.
Anybody who worked at the USPS in the eighties or before with that archaic management knows why "going postal" came about.
Clearly she suffered from Schizophrenia. I wonder why none of her family was mentioned. It’s as if she moved away from them and didn’t have a relationship. Clearly she was on her own. I feel sorry for her and the innocent victims.
Like how the guy said “you know and she said see I paid, as she turned to her imaginary friend”…This is a grown ass woman. Alarm bells going off in my head!
The suggestion that a person is a loner is a good reason to assume she/he might be crazy is absurd. Most serial killers, if not all, had wives, kids and friends.
Serial killers are probably not neurotypical, psychopathy is a neurodivergence, not insanity.
Most? I don’t think so. Jennifer San Marco was a nice lady that was getting bullied at work. She had no choice. She had to do something. She had her reasons. I totally understand. The Jennster Rules biotches 😮😊😅
Something that bothers me about this video...hardly any time was spent, parsing out what happened to her as a young child...what about any of her other siblings, or other relatives? Growing up in horrible environments is usually a big red flag, when folks go bonkers as adults!...Our existence is so random, so subject to the dynamics of our upbringing...none of us has a choice about any of such things, when we are born. I am old now, but made sure to thank my "normal" parents for providing me with a sense of being loved and wanted. Many people are not so fortunate!
Good Christians, Just like the Puritans
@@curbozerboomer1773
True. But lots of people go through horrible childhoods and come out...well, not vicious.
Not saying the abuse has nothing to do with becoming a serial killer, it usually has a lot to do with it.
That was really scary when they said she came in with lipstick smeared all over her lips.. not put on correctly. But what's scarier is when you can't help the person that is clearly crazy. you can only offer them help.
Unless of course you have 3 immediate family members to have you committed. and she didn't have that.
I'm really moved by what the interviewees had to say, positive, reflective and fact based. They are clearly still shaken and I hope they, and the surviving family members have found some peace since 2006.
saw this story in the past this compares to the other mass killings we have had
The officers really poured it on. Lets just hope they act that compassionate to someone's grandma who might be having a fit.
@@968porsche9 "really poured it on" We get it, you are an edgelord who would be so casual about seeing people you know murdered.
@@ixfr123 What is an edgelord?
My reference was bringing attention to the pubic servant, who was pushing out some tears. There are others that shoot unarmed people or people having mental problems, or citizens just running away... and LAUGH AND JOKE about it.
@@968porsche9 You mock people who saw the bodies of people they knew. Stop pretending like you would be jaded and too cool to cry if people you were friends with were murdered and you saw their bodies lying in a pool of blood.
Kind of weird that there is only one photo of her as an adult (presumably a drivers license) and one childhood yearbook photo. She must have really avoided the camera.
Astonishing nobody could say anything about her family other than "a distant relative." Surely she didn't enroll herself in school as a minor. Did anyone claim her body...
Yeah so many holes in the story
Pyh op??????
Jeffrey Dahmer tried to claim it but the morgue workers became suspicious when he arrived carrying a knife and fork with a napkin tucked into his collar.
shes an absolute mystery
If you ever worked at the post office, you know why.
I worked for the post office for 10 years.I did not talk to many people there that’s the way I was.fair employee. Some people there were real bastards breaking balls.
What strikes me is that there was no information that came from her family or relatives. I suspect she possibly came from a very broken family. At some point she became homicidal and carried out her rage on innocent people. It’s really an unspeakable act she committed that affected so many people.
Excuses for women as usual
@@jamesball8519 Ted Bundy had family problems too but i guess that’s just “excuses for women” too right?😭💀
She may have come from a Mafia family. Where she learned to be vindictive and believe in revenge. Some of her family may be prison/dead.
I wondered also why her past
history seems to be SCRUBBED!
SHHH!
@@Kingmaker33 MK Ultra?
@Raw Olympia Organized Ritual Abuse is something I thought about. Her abusers (family bloodline) split her personality and created a personality that was ALWAYS thinking of Revenge!
After she left college ,there's a Big GAP in her history until she shows up in California. ( drivers license photo looks in middle 30's!) She doesn't have Any other Drivers licenses from other States?
I worked for the Post Office. They treat some people so badly I can see them going over the edge. At least back in the last century it was like that.
exactly and she was treated very badly... this video only tells one side of the story and none of her "fellow" workers are ever going to admit they treated her bad
I always feel bad for post office people. Thx for ur service
Still is like that
If you’ve ever worked at the post office, you know why..
@@kimber45ish yup job if its not for you will drive u insane.
So many talking about how disturbed she was yet not one person really tried to help her. That’s disgusting.
You don't know that she wasn't offered help by somebody. Outside of that, there is little anybody can do. Being crazy isn't against the law. Plenty of people talk to invisible Gods, are they crazy? Should they be locked up? Whole churches full of them.
Where were you, and why didn't you come help her???❓❓❓
And how do you expect people to help her when some families have one of their OWN family members with schizophrenia and it takes them years to get real help?
@@inkjazz we don't know..... Why don't you enlighten us???❓❓❓
@@Control-Alt-Delete619 My comment was directed towards the original poster
sad sad story, it feels like she was worried about a world no one can control, then got obsessed
A waste of life. I'm sorry for the families, victim's and co worker's.
I had worked at the post office and was not treated well due to my ethnicity. I was told we had to hire you people. I didn't like the way I was treated. So I left. I would never harm anyone. Have a great job and I am very happy where I'm at. My condolences to all the families and victims. Such a sad tragedy.
"We had to hire YOU PEOPLE." 😢 I'm sure you 💯 % were abundantly qualified to be in that job, or they wouldn't have hired you.
I'm sorry you were subjected to that.
I've been lucky to work with companies with a diverse workforce of mostly good people myself.
Lots of us were not treated well in there. Not due to ethnicity. The Postal Service is just ran by a bunch of clowns. Most of the supervisors are just gutless brainless idiots.
As a white guy who worked at the Post Office for 36 years, I do not believe your story...from my observations, the P.O. bent over backwards to make sure there was no discrimination going on..I worked with hundreds of ethnic minorities, and believe me, if a minority felt they were being treated unfairly, the problem was solved very quickly.
In Florida white postal workers are a minority and all the supervisors are Spanish or black. Should have moved there
The same post office? Good thing. They basically said "we'll take the bullets for you"
Having been involuntarily committed to a psychiatric facility why was she vetted to pass the gun ownership test?
She moved around a lot and was educated. When lucid, she could probably be quite convincing.
"WHAT THE"!!!!!😮
The narrator in this episode is perfect. It’s like he was born to do this.
He's also the narrator of "Born to kill"
He narrates on a lot of documentaries
@@kim-lusteenkamp4866that's where he was from
@@shawnlindow9608 WTF you talking about it's Cristopher Slade he's the first name in the credits lol
@@Rando_Shyte my bad…..
This woman needed help that she did not get. So sad for both her and her victims. I feel like this was completely preventable!
Going postal /was coined phrase from this .
She refused help according to video
Where she was living in New Mexico was just a little tiny town. It probably didn’t have any psychiatric services at all. To get adequate mental health services you have to live in a town of about 250,000 and have regular employment and good insurance.
Crazy how her mind was breaking, but she continued functioning to make money and survive, slowly breaking down more and more til it feels like she's barely hanging on by a thread. Talking to imaginary friends which she believes are real, whilst paying bills. Just goes to show how important it is to have loved ones around. Too bad family didn't take notice and step in.
Imagine victimizing criminals.
@@crystalwater505 ah, are you one of those people that shuts their brain off and can't even talk about things you're even the slightest bit emotional about? Anyone who isn't virtue signaling or saying the same obvious thing over and over is frowned upon. Okay how about this "wow what she did was terrible wow this was so awful"
Victimizing her would look something like this: "she got screwed over and had no choice but to do this" calling her crazy, and finding it interesting how she held it together and functioned for so long whilst she's clearly losing touch with reality is not victimizing her. If you think that way then got off twitter.
@@scottboy I don't use Twitter. Too many people like you on there that victimize criminals.
I worked for a large municipality in Florida back in the two thousands and their was an employee new hire that I started hanging out with a little on the weekends my girlfriend and I would go to him and his wife's house he also had two children. On some weekends play cards have a few drinks.after 4 or 5 months of hanging out I started declining invitations I just got board and had other things to do. Well let's just say he made the next 5 years very hard for me at work. It was like he took it super personal that I ended the weekend parties. But he just wouldn't let go. Luckily I was able to retire early and what a relief 🥶🥳
OK she killed 7 but she certainly was not in her right mind what a shame she didn't get the right help. Also would like to say RIP to the7 who were killed may there family have peace❤
It's sad that the term .."Going Postal" actually became a real thing in the public vernacular.
I have a friend who was having a mental breakdown, he had himself sectioned at a mental facility, because he couldn't trust himself to not hurt others.
I STRONGLY SALUTE YOUR FRIEND. I PRAY HE FINDS THE PEACE THAT GOD DESIRES FOR HIM IN CHRIST.
JOHN 3:16,Y'ALL❤
My Aunt did that too. She lived with my Grandmother who was very domineering. I really can understand my Aunt wanting to go bonkers on my Grandmother.
Everything worked out and my Aunt was left a whole house by my Grandmother and my Aunt also retired from a bank after like 40 years with a nice retirement package. I thought it was good what my Aunt did... deciding to voluntarily commit herself instead of harming my Grandmother.
So she had mental issues, but she wasn’t seeing a doctor or therapist, or on medication. I have mental health problems but I also have all those things to help me, so I don’t hallucinate or feel depressed or suicidal. Mental health matters. Much Love ❤️ from Australia 🇦🇺
Back then, they didn't even have ICD codes for mental illness...
Im friendly like that with everyone when I see them but I like to be by myself and people say I’m stand off ish at first.
People say in an introvert at heart but also you have charisma.
I truly love being by myself.
Anyone else?
I was always told I was "stuck up" 20:41
LOVE my alone time!
How could she admit to having a problem if she was mentally unstable? Stupid logic. How would she even know she had a problem.
My dad, retired Sgt in the RCMP, has always warned me, *Don't fear the serial killer, fear the one that is suicidal!! They have nothing to lose because they don't plan on sticking around, so they'll take many along with them*
Wouldn't it make sense to fear both?
Pretty sure you can go ahead and fear both
@Cheryl Johnson Not necessarily. How many times do you hear that a serial killer pleads guilty to take the death penalty off the table for example, or hide, use aliases etc etc
Also, as my father stated, the odds of being killed by a serial killer, well, odds are better to be struck by lightening. Then, stop and think about how many murder, suicides you hear of.
@@hoorayitsjackie6166 Read what I posted to the other for the response.
all the people that think some ones looks matter many great looking people are the ones to worry about and big burly or just non attractive people will be the ones to save your butt
I worked at the Post Office for 30 years. It's not a strenuous job physically but it could be mentally challenging at times. Being watched from Supervisors regulary and being told what to do when they don't know. The Postal Murders back in the 80's were caused by the Supervisors. It made a big change how things would be done by the employees. Supervisors were pulled off the floor for a long time. Just a few would be out watching nervously. The report came back that the main killer is a 'Armed Forces' age in mid 30's or more. The shooter would likely be a white man who took some crazy crap from a supervisor. One incident! You're told your shoes are illlegal and taken off the clock and told to go home and change them in 1 hour. After you get back he tells you were ok and didn't need to go home. Just one of the many things that can cause a Murderous veteran rampage in the workplace. But it's not over. Something will happen again.
Oh wow, I had no idea they micro managed the employees so much at the post office. 😮
@@snowblo1 he’s probably not doing his job correctly. I used to manage people. Many need vocal inspiration to do their work. And sometimes that inspiration comes in the form of ‘do your fucking job already!’ Call it micro management. It’s also called getting the job done with lazy ass employees.
I’m sure everything you said about the job is correct, but I don’t think that you respond to an enraging event with violence unless that violence was already inside you. I think the horrible conditions exacerbated the mental health issues that someone already had.
@@snowblo1 The tour manager, hated me so much, he spent a lot of each night micro-managing me.
@@kdavis1492 I am sure you enjoyed those " back-door micro management nights" don't you dare to lie to us !! LOL
From what I understand, working "inside" at a large postal facility is extremely stressful. 25+ years ago, I was offered a maintenance job with the postal service. I assumed it would be a position that I traveled to different locations daily in a van furnished with the tools I needed. But I declined the position when they informed me I would work daily in a facility like this one in this video. It was a well paying position, but I wasn't interested when I learned that my job only involved one place every day.
Yes. I worked in the Post Office for nearly 40 years. Mostly driving. But yeah, stuck with the same people every day, week, year, you could end up hating your best friend. Same work every day too, very unfulfilling work.
The poor cops who had to witness such a traumatic thing. It must take a terrible toll on them and their families.
What about the federal workers who had to see that also?
This is so horribly sad. So many families and friends affected.
How does one protect themselves from this kind of ending? You can't...
Tragic for the victims and their families & friends. Also tragic for San Marco, who should have been followed by medical professionals as early as her first 51/50. Terrible tragedy for all. 😢
Why? Are they serious? This is what happens when people ignore people that need mental help. This woman was obviously offer rocker for a long long time and no one said a thing
No one can make a grown person get help.
Well said about ignoring people
There was nothing you could do even if you "said anything ". She refused to believe she had any problems. No family to step in and force her to get help. Takes 3 immediate family members to have one committed.
She definitely needed to be on the psychiatric ward, and have a doctor to help her.
She was having a psychotic break, its so sad this whole situation
Holy shit Lauren! Crazy to randomly find a comment from some one I actually know in comments section on YT 😂You have good taste in videos I see 🙂
Well done. Thank you. Such a sad illnesss My late sister suffered terribly from bi-polar disorder.
Who said she was bipolar?
@@deeprollingriver52No-one. Denise was sympathizing about MH issues and mentioned her experience with MH with her sister. I'm not sure why her comment triggered you but I do not see that Denise said anything wrong.
I so feel for first responders and police. Everyone take note the lives they have to lead and what they see. ❤
So much focus on the way this woman looked says a lot... something happened to this woman at that job that isn't being talked about.
I agree with you, even if someone stop any med,
That that might be taken, is there is a possibility of doing something so out of the ordinary,
No, some thing happened, that brothered her , in a way that changed her perspective, about others.
Thay became an enemy.
A object, not a person.
Postal Workers are notorious for going on these sprees. Look it up.
Going postal is a phrase to describe someone going on a shooting spree.
Yes, let's blame someone else for what she did.
God bless the victims, their families, their coworkers, and their families, the police and their families. 🙏🏼
Incredible tragedy.
"God"--if he were real, would not even allow this horrible thing to happen. Wake up!
@@curbozerboomer1773 It's no skin off your nose if someone wants to pray. You sound paranoid of free speech. Poor you.
Really tragic. This woman obviously had no family support, and refused to get help. It's also really horrible that she decided that she needed to take the lives of others, not just her own.
She was seriously insane. To bad she couldn't be committed even when the signs were so obvious. Now innocent people lost their lives, sad, really sad 😢
I dated a girl in my 20’s who had a mental breakdown after her car was broken into and someone used paperwork from that break in to then break into her house…
When she stepped off the curb of reality into the street of chaos…
I saw that I could not help her and she would not let a professional help her.
She was found running nude in a park at 1am…
She was committed for mental evaluation and spent a month in hospital, and she moved back to her home town to live with her parents…
God bless her I hope she is doing well…
That sounds scary 😱
I'm quite confused as to how someone with such clear extreme signs of mental illness (including schizophrenia like outbursts in public) wasn't taken somewhere, when so many clear and present situations seemed to have had happened.
It's not like she was someone just suffering from a minor bout of depression or slight changes in her personality. We are talking about multiple and severe outbursts and alarming behavior. Many being instances that would have clearly been enough for authorities to step in and demand some treatment and/or attention.
I guess that's why some numbers point to as much as 20% of the homeless population in the US suffer from schizophrenia, even though people suffering from this serious illness make up only 1% of the population.
This is not a new thing either as people like this have bee living o the streets, most going completely untreated or assisted. It can be completely debilitating and one of the wealthiest countries in the world allow the Medical and Insurance corporations essentially ignore or turn down treatment costs. Even when those "lucky" individuals that do get treatment, if you're not independently wealthy or have a job that has excellent insurance, they end up in state institutions that are overrun and with short staff that are underpaid and in many cases not qualified enough. Then there's the cruel treatment, physical and sexual assault and other abuses. . . . just to name a few things that make it a nightmare. . . . . and people wonder why human beings don't want to get this treatment. So much so they would rather live on the streets and slowly sink into an abyss of darkness, pain and sickness as their illness spirals out of control. Not to mention all the other dangers anyone who is on the streets must face.
These people were born into a hard life, not by choice and deserve to be treated with dignity and respect. They desperately need the proper care and attention.
I respect your compassion!
Breathing while Black🗣
Thank you for sharing
Look at her past work and position at Dept of Corrections. She was no wall flower to have that past job. If she wanted to be left alone... I bet she made it well known and convincingly. I bet those cops had an earful and handfull getting her out of the PO. The lady was trained with a gun and knew how to act with authority when she wanted to.
Yet, with her history of mental illness, and her forcible removal from the postal sorting facility by Santa Barbara county sheriff's deputies, she still managed to pass a Federal background check, and a 15 day waiting period, and buy a pistol and ammunition in Grant, New Mexico. What a broken system we have.
Yes, they only check if we have history in a psych facility, not if there's a diagnosis/treatment...
It's amazingly easy to buy a pistol in New mexico.
I hope that the survivors find comfort in one another and don't end up as isolated and suffering alone like the perpetrator clearly was.
Very interesting case! Female mass murderers and shooters are extremely RARE! Everyone should have reported her strange behavior to the authorities before it was too late.
My condolences go out to all of the victims families and friends involved 🙏🏽🕊
It was reported. Since she was fired and moved away it was probably problem solved in their eyes. Since it is so rare then even nowadays probably nothing would be done.
That little area of Goleta is a quiet peaceful town right on the coast just north of Santa Barbara, never heard of this tragic incident.
Denial leads to all kinds of serious problems. Whatever her troubled past was, by never working it through, she set her life on a dangerous course.
You have all missed the major lesson of this video: Never piss off an Italian Girl from Brooklyn.
Especially one that had been a Sgt. with The Dept of Corrections and has probably fired thousands of rounds down range.
Seeing those men cry is heartbreaking 😔
My Mom and her husband worked for the USPS for 30 yrs. They told me the horrible stories of affairs and dating!
I think that happens everywhere I'm afraid
But did they die! No. All work places have drama and the most that happens is shame and embarrassment, and then someone leaves.
@@ianlitchfield9273 Truth and what crossed my mind reading the post. I worked in the supermarket business and my fellow employees robbed the store at gun point in one store...luckily I was filling in at another store that night. Anything and everything happens in a lot of work places people assume are quiet and peaceful.
Make it a point to be nice with your co workers so if they go nuts they will spare you. One of the guys that robbed my store was off the clock the night before and helped me fill dairy because he knew they were working us ragged.
My theory is that she had a hidden rage/anger/resentment issue that no one else saw. She gets mad at her neighbor for calling the police due to loud noise.... then gets escorted out of the post office by cops due to mentioning suicide...
Two guys are in tears at the end... You know this hit home
I have seen so many I.D.(Investigation Discovery) and videos like this one, but I had never seen this case...It's shocking, to say the least.
I wish somebody had helped her issues sooner.
I wonder how was her family, and how was her childhood.
The Cop's break down and cry...Meanwhile...the workers that were THERE and went through the worst keep their shit together
Heartbreaking that these people lost their lives to someone with a mental illness, that was allowed to buy a weapon.
It goes to show you, anyone can become a killer. Stay vigilant out there people and trust no one.
No. Not anyone can become a killer. That’s ridiculous.
@deeprollingriver52 Oh you must be one of those people who lives in fantasy land.
How in the heck does a woman act like this around so many people and not get locked up
During the AIDS epidemic in the 1980’s a lot of guys were afraid of “AIDS Concentration Camps” and there were some powerful political movements afoot. They managed to get legislation passed where you couldn’t forcibly lock someone up b and make them take their meds. At about the same time b Big Pharma convinced a bunch of politicians that the costly mental hospital system could be shut down, because big Pharma now had anti psychotic meds to control severe mental illness.
The system of state mental hospitals was shut down , then laws were passed so you couldn’t forcibly round the insane up and forcibly make them take their medications, thus we have the current mental health crisis b in the United States . 😅
*She could’ve kept shooting even more but for some reason she decided to end it. Maybe she finally realized what she was doing was wrong.*
L.O.L
Gee- you think?😂
Smh… you point?! Like perhaps she was a good person ‘deep down’ …
@@recuerdos2457 She bought 200 rounds and only used 7 rounds. What would your explanation be?
If she thought the way we do, she wouldn’t have committed this terrible crime in the first place. I see her nothing but evil …
@@johnfidel187 is rounds bullets?
Very tragic tale, well presented. We know a bit more about mental illness these days but still not enough 🙏😞
She had already exhibited mental health problems and yet she was able to purchase a deadly weapon. The mandatory waiting period was just that: a waiting period. A deeper check on the MENTAL qualifications/ background of a gun applicant would have disqualified this unbalanced woman. RIP Common Sense.
Everyone who noticed her strange behavior should’ve reported it to the proper authorities.
Nothing what happened because she’s white😴🥱
What the hell does race or color have to do with it???@@Lenasevilla-yb4ei
What would they have done?