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Whats inside a pop up campers roof
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- Опубликовано: 15 фев 2020
- Considering rebuilding a pop up campers roof and would like to know how they are constructed? We take 3 popular Coleman and Fleetwood roofs and show you how they are each internally built.
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Thank you so much for this video! It is very helpful to know just what was used as I go about replacing my roof!
Glad it was helpful David!
Interesting! My 2003 Bayside Elite has 4 aluminum channels 3” wide, an inch insulation in between the channels.
Thanks for this! Does anyone know how similar the 2008 Yuma roof is to the 1992 Pioneer Chesapeake? They look very similar. I need to completely rebuild mine and it's intimidating. This helps, though.
Thumbnail was not convincing, glad I clicked. Lots of what I'm looking for. Thanks for sharing!
What are your thoughts on removing the outer layer of ABS from the roof in order to coat it with Grizzly Grip (2001 Utah)? I guess my main curiosity is how the roofs structural integrity may be impacted.
If there is anybody out there that has performed this repair, please let me know how it went, how it held up, if you noticed any issues as a result...
Thanks for all of the videos you put up, they have been MASSIVELY helpful!!!
It is the most popular fix for these types of roof's. Take a look at grizzly grips webstore. They sell a pop up camper roof kit. Thanks for writing DB Craft!
Man, that ABS roof looked to be in good shape! hard to find them not all bowed or cracked up.
Acceptable loss Big Mike!
Thanks for the videos, very helpful. Question, can a ASb roof become water logged. I have a few cracks in the front was wondering if need to dry out before re sealing the top.
They sure can Master Captain Parker! The foam core acts like a sponge and can hold moisture. A dehumidifier may be in order. The roof should be around 300 pounds dry.
@@popupcamperpro thank you, your videos are very helpful. I've been able to order all of my replacements for my camper from your links. But thank you, you make working on these units a pleasure..
Thank you for the video. I have a 2004 Mesa. The roof is like the "Westlake" example in the video. The inside of the roof looks great - however the outside of the roof is sagging and causing water to pool rather than run off. Would it be the outer plywood rotten under the metal skin?? Or would it be the core foam that is shrinking?? How hard is it to take the metal off, the plywood off, replace the foam, replace the plywood, and then what.... Put a membrane on the roof? Do you have any videos of this? I know all replies take time. Thank you for your time.
With this many questions a phone call is a better service. Please call when you have a few minutes to talk.
Could you or should you, attach a roof rack for a kayak or small luggage on any of these tops? Thanks
You can Joshua! You can find all current instructions and parts at colemanpopupparts.com
Thanks for writing!
I have dozens of hairline cracks (especially on the sides near the seal) on my roof. 2002 Mesa. There’s no loose ABS or de-lamination. Would a couple of coats of rubberized paint do the trick, or are there more extensive steps to repair it?
I would recommend stopping the cracks first, then coating. Drill small holes in the ends of each crack to stop the spread.
@Pop up camper pro Adam - Since you chopped up an ABS roof, it would be really interesting to be able to see what fasteners Coleman/Fleetwood used to attach things to the ceiling inside e.g. what fasteners did they use to attach the vanity to the ceiling? There are a couple of plastic "caps" towards the middle of my ceiling of my '98 Bayside - what are they, etc...? Will a tri-grip rivet, or T-rivet hold in the foam?
Erik, good questions! For the fasteners inside an ABS roof, expansion rivets are recommended. The "caps" that you see are accordion rivets, marking the cutout location for a vent or AC install.
I have some rot on my 2013 palomino banshee roof that I need to fix. Any guidance would be appreciated
My best advise is to take it apart from the inside, and replace what has experienced damage. If general carpentry / construction is not something you typically do, considered enlisting the help of a general contractor or handyperson.
We have a 2008 Fleetwood Avalon highlander. The ceiling, on the inside, is sort of bubbling or delaminating. It looks like the more decorative film is separating from the base. It does not look discolored/stained. The roof is not quite like any of the 3 above. There are no seams on top, but there are metal pieces that wrap around the upper side edges and corners. We don't have an air-conditioner nor a vent. There is nothing on the roof and I don't see any cracks. Should I suspect water is getting in under the metal covering the edges? Is there a video for this model?
This would be the luan. I would recommend sealing the roof with a caulk like dicor lap sealant.
@@popupcamperpro Thanks so much!
I have a 2004 sun valley and the ceiling is abs and cracking on the corners. How can I repair the inside ceiling?
Drill the ends of the cracks, then use an ABS slurry to repair.
Thanks. Any videos, tips and or tricks for repairing soft spots on the interior ceiling? Need to do this on my 2004 Fleetwood bayside elite. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Hello Nick! You will need to open the roof up, and replace any water damaged materials. After the repair, reseal the exterior of the roof to prevent any future water intrusion.
@@popupcamperpro any chances you have a video on this coming out soon?
So, I stripped the ABS from the outside of my 1998 Bayside roof and Grizzly Gripped a couple of years ago. The ceiling inside is starting to delaminate at the front end. Without cutting it open, can you think of a way to re-adhere the delaminating section? My initial thought is to drill a couple of small holes through the ABS ceiling to spray in some contact adhesive (not sure if there are sprays that use the small tube like WD40 cans....), and then possibly use a couple of pop rivets to help anchor into the foam...
So sorry Eric but I do not have a recommendation on this repair. I have not tried this fix to date. Perhaps someone else in the community has done this repair and can answer?
@@popupcamperpro No worries. I appreciate the reply.
thank you very much for this and your other videos. i've already watched about replacing the door lock and that's next on my project. I have the abs top (the first one you cut and the outside is cracking and pieces are exposing the foam. what do i do?
Removing the outer shell and painting a bed liner on it is a very popular option
Are most roofs constructed this way?...wonder how mine would hold up to a luggage/kayak rack? 1995 Jayco Eagle 12 UDK
Brian Wilson Yes. They are made to be light as to put minimal stress on the lifting system. My 1998 Coleman is more like the last one cut with the metal sheeting/styrofoam/luan which is all sandwiched together with glue. There’s thin metal embedded between the luan and styrofoam that give screws a little something extra to grab besides the 1/4” luan where needed. The metal exterior shell gets pin holes over time, and from rock strikes, which causes water to infiltrate the styrofoam core, and rotted the luan and vinyl sheeting over the luan. I have racks on top as well, and these too caused water infiltration due to their loss of seal. I gutted the wet styrofoam and replaced it. Would have liked to have stripped the entire shell, but don’t have a garage for such a project, so only replaced what was bad. I then coated the exterior metal with several coats of elastomeric paint. So far so good. For the future, knowing what I know now, I don’t recommend getting a pop up with any penetrations in the outer skin (racks, AC units, etc). Long term, they will become liabilities to the integrity of the outer skin.
@@PAGrunt appreciate the reply. My camper had an AC unit on it already when I got it. The more I think about it, I may just leave it alone and figure a way to install a rack on the pickup truck instead
@@brianwilson8119 Im assuming newer pop ups have better construction and design, as new materials have come on the market since the 90's or even 2000's. I'm eyeballing a Rockwood pop up with a slide out and toy hauler on the tongue of the trailer. But my 1998 had issues from the previous owners neglect or inexperience. I didn't catch them when I looked, and since I bought it in late fall, didn't pop it up until spring...which is when I really noticed the damage. There's several pop up forums on the web, loaded with maintenance, fixes, and renovation ideas. Pop up princess is one.
Does anyone have any experience replacing the ABS with fiberglass? I’m mostly concerned with the foam core reacting to polyester fiberglass resin.
Not yet personally. I do have two project campers set for this repair. One with moderate ABS roof damage, and one with severe. Videos coming this fall. Does anyone else have some helpful tips they can offer?
Did you ever find out ?
I have a 1985 Sun Valley Coleman camper pop up that the trim inside has fallen from ceiling in the middle strip with the staples that were in there originally. can I use new to staples? I have a staple gun. Can I use 1/4 small staples to staple it back up??
Yes! As long as the structure behind it is solid and secure.
Thanks! Appreciated
Very helpful! I'm re-sealing the center seam on my 2006 Fleetwood Niagara (almost identical to Yuma roof) and this steered me in the right direction to use 1" aluminum C-channel around the openings for my new AC and Maxxfan. The only difference in construction on the Niagara is a 1-1/2" wide piece of wood under the center seam. Is there more wood in the front and rear panels where the tent rails screw in? Or do those screws just bite into the luan?
There is more reinforcement along the sides and backs of the roof to attach too
Was the 2008 Yuma an AulmaTite roof? I have a 2005 Fleetwood Victory and I inherited it with significant water damage. Would you consider doing a video on how to best maintain the seal on an AlumaTite roof?
Would you consider doing a video showing how to remove the roof?
Both videos are planned James! And yes this was an alumatite style roof.
@@popupcamperpro Thanks for the reply, I look forward to those videos as I have learned a ton already from your channel
@@popupcamperpro This would be super helpful to me as well. I'm really needing to do a rebuild on my AlumaTite roof but cant find the resources I need to truly understand it.
Hello! what are the dimensions of the wood "1/4 round that runs through the curved space of the metal top? Tjhank you!
Start with 1/4”. This is the most common size.
@@popupcamperpro 1/4" seems small for that piece?
what about a 1960s skamper roof with manual poles that insert? how do u replace the canvas?
Sorry, but I have yet to get my hands on a skamper to know how it attaches. Try contacting canvasreplacements.com to see if they have any suggestions, and please tell them Derek sent you!
What does the center seam where the two half’s of roof metal meet under the vinyl cover)
look like on a split roof aluminum with four corner caps? It was missing in the video.
It will look like two shells with a seamed section. Not every roof has this style though. Sometimes the center seams was used to better secure the middle of the roof to the wood core inside.
How do you level up a rebuilt unlevel door. Goshen lift system
Sorry Jim, but I do not understand the question.
I have a 2000 Coleman bayside and the outside top of roof has bubbled and cracked. Looking to see what would be the best way to fix it. Can you recommend how you would fix this?
If it is an ABS roof, the best solution is to peel off the plastic, and redcoat with a paint on bed liner. Metal roof’s that experience this typically require complete disassembly and rebuild.
Do you think pop rivets will hold on the last roof. Hey I really appreciate you taking time to do this.
When the correct style of rivet is used they can!
Thanks !
Can you show us how to repair a 1999 ABS roof that is cracked on the outside, but good on the inside?
I recently acquired an candidate camper to preform this upgrade. It will be in the shop just as soon as I can schedule it.
@@popupcamperpro Looking forward to learning more. I acquired a Coleman Fleetwood that has serious cracking on the top but inside is still in great condition. I am looking at the method to make the ABS plastic repair from pellets. Before looking on line I did a conventional fiberglass repair. It has worked great but looks ugly. Thanks for the great channel and parts options!
@@AdamSmith-ze6gl Several videos on RUclips on how to strip the ABS off the outside and then roll or spray on a bedliner, like Grizzly Grip or Raptor. This guy has a series of vids which I found really helpful when I did mine: ruclips.net/video/zCs_AOE61J8/видео.html
Found a nice Arcadia with a leaking roof prob from air conditioning.im kinda handy,would this be hard to fix or am I looking at a new roof?
Hard for me to say without seeing the roof first hand. Many times a roof top ac leak is caused from the weep holes blocked. I would recommend removing the interior panels to best gauge the extent of the damage. For a purchase inspection, push up on the roof from the inside, and look for staining. Soft spots and dark stains indicate water damage. It typically is fixable.
@popupcamperpro Hi! I have a 1997 fleetwood sea pine popup. The abs was completely delaminated and cracked. so we removed. The foam core looks to have a fiberglass layer over it and there are a few areas that the abs was stuck to and caused divets when removing. I have read use bondo but bondo is not waterproof. Someone suggested fiberglass filler, but I am unsure of the type and how it will react to the foam core. Any suggestions? Should I put a layer of paint on the divets then fill with epoxy resin instead of polyestrene resin? Should one use a dicor fiberglass roof coating instead of grizzly grip (someone stated that will start to peel and crack as it is not flexible enough for camper movement. Please advise, as I would like to complete the roof by July 20th (3wks). thanks! p/s: I have pics of the roof material for reference but do not know how to attach here to the thread.
These are questions I cannot answer to date with any authority. I always personally try these techniques before I recommend, and to date have not yet. I apologize but will need to refer you Popupportal.com and social media groups. Thanks for watching and writing!
can I rebuild my 1973 A wheel Camper roof it has wood and thin metal with old cap ends.... I can not find any place to order items from. the lift system is unique poles and sleeves
Hello Arlanda. I am not familiar with A wheel models, but everything is fixable. You may need to enlist the help of a local fabricator.
So it is safe on most pop up roofs to drill holes through to add things like a side awning or something like that? There’s no chance of damaging any electrical wiring or anything correct? I assume most of the electrical runs down the center seam… thanks!
Jeriah, You can see where the 12 volt traces up to the roof, commonly near a rear lift arm. From this point it will commonly follow the inside corners on many models. Especially Coleman and Fleetwood's. As long as you stay a few inches off the corners will should be fine.
@@popupcamperpro interesting, I’ve never noticed any wires running up around the lift arms. Is there a chance it’s running through the inside of one of them? I have a Jayco Jay. Thanks for the reply!
are Jayco's about the same?
Yes they are
So on the center seam roof, the aluminum is 2 pieces but attached via adhesive? so the center seam rail is more of a decoration ? I have a 2000 taos and the center seam rails are really bad, and the holes for the screws are stripped.... so do those screws actually function to hold anything on besides the rails ?
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The center seam hides the center join in most roofs. If
The holes are stripped, consider filling them in and reattaching the trim, or replace and make new holes.
@@popupcamperpro But just to be clear, Those screws only hold on the center trim and doesn't actually help hold the roof together? So i could use something like eternabond tape down center instead of the trim? Thanks
That is correct.
@@popupcamperpro Awesome, thanks ! Now i have a game plan if that trim doesn't clean up well...
Since i'm pretty sure my roof is made like the last roof in the video.. Does that foam break down after so many years ? I haven't been able to keep one screw in that roof that holds decently and really want to pull the fan to reseal, but again no screws seem to hold and afraid I would be able to get it back in there properly.
I have an '02 Yuma. Is it possible to replace just the ceiling without removing the entire roof?
Possible but not easy. Taking the roof off first is recommended.
@@popupcamperpro argh that's what I thought you'd say lol
those roofs look better than my sagging Coleman taos roof.
thinking of building one from scratch. is there a weight limit those lifters can hold?.
Anything I build will most likely be heavier than styrofoam and luan.
The lift system components are overbuilt to accommodate additional weight such as roof top racks, luggage and an air conditioner. Try to build as light as you can, while keeping it strong.
I bought a 2008 Fleetwood, bayside. The bottom half is sound but the roof needs repairs and the canvas needs replacing. I took the canvas off but now I really need help fixing the roof. Where can I go to get this done since I don’t have any of the tools and no way to take the roof off. Any suggestions would be very much appreciated.
I would recommend starting with handymen or carpenters local to your area.
@@popupcamperpro I will try that. I’m a bit overwhelmed right now. Thank you.
Can we cast a fiberglass from that?
I personally do not have any experience in fiberglass casting Scott.
@@popupcamperpro thanks so much for responding. I appreciate your cander my friend.
I have a 2005 Fleetwood Avalon. the front edge of the roof has rotted and I need to replace it. It looks simple enough to do I just don't know what size board I'll need to put back in there. Can you help?
I wish I had an Avalon to tell you! You will just have to take this one apart and out to gain your dimensions Greg.
@@popupcamperpro i took it to someone and had the wood replaced. In order to save $100, i had the guy not fasten the canvas insert track to the wood. I’m going to tackle that this weekend. Do you have any video instructions for that?
@@rivertoob hello again Greg! For metal tracks, screws are most common. For plastic, industrial adhesive and staples were used.
@@popupcamperpro thanks for replying again. I believe mine is plastic but it was definitely screwed in. do i have to pull the canvas out of the track in order to fasten the track back up to the replaced wood?
is there a setting on here that would email me when you reply?
I have a 2005 Niagara with the third style of roof. Any suggestions on where to find instructional videos on how to fix it?
Eric Finn Popupportal is another great resource!
@@popupcamperpro What do you call the third type of roof? Is there a name for it since I know it's not an ABS roof.
This would commonly be called an alumitire roof.
Thanx for the video. I have a 2008 Palomino Pony P280. I found some OSB on the end of the roof that spans the width. I was looking to see what I need to do to replace the OSB as it appears to have taken on water and gotten moldy. When looking it seems like an accordion type material between the inside top and the front of the roof. What would this be?
Hmmm. I am not sure. I have yet to work on a palomino roof. Perhaps someone else on here can help with this question?
What about a rounded top not flat
Sounds like you are referring to an ABS roof if it's on a Coleman or Fleetwood. If it's another manufacture please give me a call at the shop!
Do you know of any videos that show how to rebuild a Coleman roof? I have the second one (or pretty close to it) and had remove the entire foam section. Any insight is greatly appreciated
Pop up portal is another good resource if your not finding your particular roof on this forum.
Pop up camper pro Thanks. I’ve been looking on there and have found many threads on repairs but nothing on how to rebuild this type of roof (at least yet). Thanks for responding. I’ll keep searching
@@briankidwell1005 Did you ever have luck finding this information? I'm in need of the same info. Thank you
Hey, how about a Filon roof?
Coming soon. Considering using a brand new one for a more thorough disassembly.
Why??? Just why? I would pay you for that roof
The goal is to help anyone considering a roof rebuild. If you are unsure of what you might find inside your roof, this should give you some insight.
God I wish I had that and you just cut it up
Acceptable losses Baby Bunch!