At the outset of this episode you have cogently introduced the topic of "settler colonialism", and even as an amateur Gentile scholar of Jewish and Israeli history I am frankly shocked at the absurdity of this libelous Antisemitic proposition! How could the post-Holocaust migration of Diaspora Jews to their ancestral homeland in British Mandate Palestine be rationally considered to be "colonialism"? The Jews are arguably the most persecuted and oppressed ethnic minority in human history, powerless after two dark milennia of persecution and exploitation, if anyone had the right to refuge in an enclave of self defendable security, it was the Jews! After two centuries of European pogroms and organized mass murder, where the hell were they supposed to go? Uganda? So, I am anxious to listen to and learn from your distinguished guest. ❤️🐻🙏🇮🇱🇺🇲
actually there was a proposal between herzl and the british government called the "uganda plan", the zionist mission almost ended up there! herzl also proposed buying a piece of argentina to settle there instead before settling on palestine. while the jews escaping nazi genocide were indeed refugees, they arrived as refugees in a land that had been settled under the british mandate which was a colonial framework laid out in the waning days of the british empire. in fact the first zionist bank was called the "jewish colonial trust" and many of zionisms founding fathers openly referred to the project as colonial in its formative years.
The founders of Zionism were quite open about it being a colonial project, because colonization wasn't a dirty word back then. Here are some quotes from Theodore Herzl: Philanthropic colonization is a failure. National colonization will succeed. We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any employment in our own country .... expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly. Herzl's letter to Cecil Rhodes is also instructive. And the early agencies for encouraging immigration had names like the Jewish Colonisation Association and Jewish Colonial Trust. They didn't feel the need to hide it back then.
It seems that there may be an unnoticed ambiguity on the word “colonial”: an earlier sense, and the present-day sense. In their book Israel and the Family of Nations (Routledge 2009/2010), Alexander Yakobson and Amnon Rubinstein argue (against Ilan Pappé) that in the early days of the Zionist project, the word “colonial” (or “colonization,” etc.) was in European languages merely a term used to describe pretty much any settlement project “even if it was unrelated to colonialism in the sense which is understood today, not part of any conflict, and undertaken inside the state doing the settling, not outside its borders…” (p. 75). The authors provide some examples as support (Jewish “colonies” inside Tsarist Russia and in Argentina) and then conclude: “Thus it is obvious that while Zionist spokesmen, speaking in European languages, can indeed be quoted as referring to Jewish ‘colonization,’ ‘colonies’ and colonists’ in Palestine [the region], this is no proof that the Zionist movement was ‘colonialist’ in the present-day sense of the word.” (p. 75) Something to consider.
@@hendrikvanderbreggen Hendrik, really excellent scholarship on this very important point! Thank you for making this argument by citing examples from other scholars of the subject. The world needs to hear this wisdom, and I thank you for your efforts to unveil the truth about the post-Holocaust migration of Diaspora Jews back to their ancestral homeland, and defending their right to exist there in peace, security, and indigenous prosperity. 🙏🐻🇺🇲🇮🇱
A native American professor was giving discourse on the Indian wars 150 years ago and mentioned that the United States government paid bounties on Indian scalps when turned in has reward for killing the natives Reminded me of what the PLO does with the pay for slay cash money glorification for Martyrs program that they've always engaged in and that the United States ignores as it sends them money annually. The professor did not reply when I pointed out the parallels, one more crash landing at the intersection of intersectionality where reality does not intersect
Tired of having their land taken by settlers, the Plains Indians finally fought back at the Battle of Little Bighorn, committing atrocities against the whites. The response was that federal troops were called in and the tribes ruthlessly driven out and exterminated. Kind of reminds me of Oct 7.
@@John-c3u9o Except that most of the Palestinians in Israel in 1948 were Jordanian and Egyptian and didn’t have a national identity per Yasser Arafat in the 60s. Except that the Jews were indigenous to the land before Mohamed was born. Except that Israel has bent over backwards before and after Oct. 7 to provide humanitarian aid to Palestine. Except that Palestine elected a government that OPENLY STATED that their reason to exist was to commit GENOCIDE on the Jews. Their purpose is to slaughter Jews until no more Jews were left. Does that remind you of Nazis? Because the Amin Al Hosseini collaborated with the nazis to enact the Final Solution in Israel. You support genocide.
@@John-c3u9o The plains tribes were being pushed out by a more powerful ethnic group, this had happened before in North America, different tribes expanded their territories at the expense of their neighbours. The Comanche in the south comes to mind and I am sure there are other documented examples. There is archeology of a people that lived in the North prior to the Inuit, they were "displaced or eliminated" prior to European expansion. My family arrived as a result of the "highland clearances" in the Middle Ages, the Irish had the potato famine. there are countless examples of cultural expansions that cannot possibly be described as deliberate theft. The pressures of a people to "move" can be as simple as a potato blight, or extended drought.
Jonathan, this distressing news of your illness was new to me. I pray for your continuing recovery to full and robust health. Your consequential voice on behalf of Israel, America, and Western Civilization must not be silenced. God speed, my friend! 🐻🙏🇮🇱🇺🇲
You can't colonize a place you've been in for 4 thousand years since the cannanites were conquered and assimilated. Some are just returning to the homeland.
First time i encountered this land statement was my daughters university graduation. It started the event and was followed by extreme DEI ideology and parades of Palestine flags and cheers. Even the clearly gay students participated. Won’t forget that evening.
It's good to see your face again, Jonathan! Thank you for discussing this topic, which has direct relevance to those of us living in Canada and the US, and how it also ties into the situation in Israel. I have another book on my list regarding this topic and I'm adding this to my list as well. Praying for your full recovery 🙏
Palestine is a term the Roman Empire gave to the land in 135 ad to spite and humiliate the Jews for revolting against them and exiling many of them to other lands including the ones in Europe, so the word Palestine came from Europe, and the land had the name Israel before Palestine. And the people who call themselves Palestinians came from the Arabian peninsula in 7th century, and a Palestinian state never existed for real. And Palestine is something that the Arabs who call themselves that have stolen that identity from that extinct European tribe called the philistines/palestinians aka the tribe of Goliath from Crete, Greece, Europe. So Palestine is a colonial term.
The real name of Israel's Prime Minister is Benjamin Mileikowsky. "Netanhayu" is literally a fake Middle-Eastern name. Modern Hebrew was invented by linguists, who recast the ancient language. "Israel" is an invention of 19th-century ethno--nationalism. There was no ancient "nation-state" of "Israel" in the modern sense. There were simply various Israelite city-states and tiny kingdoms in the area that co-existed with city-states and kingdoms of other peoples. None of the Israelite kindoms were along the coastal regions, so if Israel's claim is based on ancient states they'd have to give back most of the coast. The Palestinians did not come from the Arabian peninsula, only their conquerors did. The modern day Palestinians have little DNA from the Arabian peninsula. They descend from the Greek and Aramaic-speaking Christians who inhabited the region at the time of the Islamic conquests. A "state of Austria" never existed until 1921. Does that mean Austrians have no claim to the territory because it was never previously a nation-state? Is there no such thing as "Austrians"? You are cutting and pasting AIPAC boilerplate.
@@John-c3u9o Well said. Also, don't forget that the ancient city of Tel Aviv was invented by Zionists and named after an ordinary German 19th Century novel.
@@John-c3u9o if the Palestinians don’t come from the Arabian peninsula, then why are they Arabs, why do they keep calling themselves Arabs and why do they speak the Arabic language, and Aramaic came from Syria not the land of Israel Judea and Samaria, but the Hebrew language is a Canaanite language and the nation of Israel is speaking it. And yes there is ancient Israel, the Mesha stele mentions, the Kurkh monoliths mention it, the Tel Dan stele mentions it, including the Merneptah stele mentions the kingdom of Israel. The Palestinians were no where to be seen in the land during king Saul’s time when he United the 12 tribes in 1047 BC to form the United monarchy of Israel. And the words of Benjamin Netanyahu’s name came from the Middle East it’s also from the language. And the reason why the Jews were in Europe is because the Romans brought them over there as slaves after the second Jewish revolt from 132-135 AD and the Romans gave the land a fake name that is Palestine. And boilerplate? look who’s talking, at least I don’t Liston to Islamic terrorist propaganda. And also the Arabs got the identity Palestinian in 1964, never has a Palestinian state ever existed, and the British mandate is not an Arab state but a British colonial entity. If you don’t like with what I said then that’s on you and ignore me if that helps you.
@@joeyconlin6543 The Byzantine inhabitants of Palestine adopted the language and religion of their conquerors, as did most of the peoples conquered by the Arabs. Historians estimate the process took about 200 years. So they are called "Arabs" because they speak Arabic, not because they are from the Arabian Peninsula. As to ancient Israelites, modern archeology has determined that Jerusalem at the time you are referring to had a population of no more than 3,000 people and a small hinterland surrounding it. At the same time there were other Canaanite kingdoms. Modern Palestinians descend from the ancient Canaanites. As do Jews. At the time there was no distinct racial or ethnic group of "Israelites." Modern historians have all concluded that "Israelites" were simply a break-away sect of Canaanites that formed a distinct identity based on worship of "Yahweh" as opposed to worship of Baal. There likely was no "exodus" at all, or if there was, it was only a tiny group, rejoining the main Israelite population, that never left the region of Canaan. The rest was myth-making that was part of Israelite identity formation.
You have been a very significant source of comfort at this difficult time with your calm sane and interesting analyses. I wish you a speedy and complete recovery.
Praying for you daily, Jonathan. May HaShem grace you with revitalisation after your recent illness. Your insight and voice are needed today. ❤ From Canada.
To the fans of the "settler colonialism" standard of "who was here first?" for determining the legitimate right of land possession, I would pose the question of "how far back in time do you want to go?" The Crusades drove the Jews and Arabs from Jerusalem, and in the case of the Jews, scattered them to the ends of the earth. So, it seems obvious to me that the return of the Jews to their ancestral homeland was forordained and long overdue. The European pogroms and ultimately the Holocaust finally gave the Jews the impetus, the push, to return under the flag of Zionism in a pitifully desperate search for a refuge from persecution where they could be safe and defend themselves from relentless existential attacks. That they did this so successfully is now the source of villification and genocidal war by their enemies. That's the way I see it. 🐻🙏🇮🇱🇺🇲
Its actually history. The british created the zionist state. You do not gwt to deny actual history. Lie to yourselces the world knows the truth. Justifying genocide on a lie.
@@kirstyduncan408 you need to go look up the term genocide and then try to justify its use, in this situation... because the only genocide in the middle east is the one the muslims have been perpetuating against the jews since 1948. and i can prove it with real, actual numbers.
Exactly! As per the former head of the PLO bureau of military operations, Zuhair Mohsen‘s statement in 1977: ‘The Palestinian people do not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians and Lebanese; we are all members of the same nation. Solely for political reasons are we careful to stress our identity as Palestinians. Since a separate State of Palestine would be an extra weapon in Arab hands to fight Zionism with. Yes, we do call for the creation of a Palestinian state for tactical reasons. Such a state would be a new means of continuing the battle against Zionism, and for Arab unity.’
Don't take either one's word for it. The book " From Time Immemorial " tells the story of who lived where and when in the words of the Califs, Ottomans, Saladin etc.
Actually, the Jews are the indigenous people. The first people here were Noach's son, Shem. The cananim came and conquered them. When the Jews came out of Mitzrayim, Hashem gave us this land to take back
I am pleased you are improving. I missed your unique presentation. Full of truth and wisdom. Your voice is very soothing, which helps when one is hearing such Israel hatred. A Christian from Australia. 5:52
Hi Jonathan, it is so nice to have you back! We missed you a lot. Great program. Shana Tova! May you be inscribed in the book of Life and Good Deeds. You are really contributing to the betterment of society. All the best from Beer Sheva, Israel.
I keep telling people here in Ireland that there is no comparison atall with the Irish independence whatsoever and Palestine. Its never been a country, etc The mainstream media here is extremely anti-Israel and I dont listen to it atall as it upsets me. TBN Israel Yair Pinto,CBN Chris Mitchell, JNS, and a few others that people like myself listen to . Ofcourse in Ireland we have had alot of paramilitaries I suppose on both sides violent groups on Republician and Loyalists sides some indeed having links with the PLO and now are active in the Palestinian cause in protest marches. I find most distressing is the attitude of the Government in relation to Israel and recognising a Palestinian State, etc. Now the President not surprised as in the past he has always been leftwing anti-,Israel and anti-American. But what can we do .just keep explaining I suppose.
According to the former head of the PLO bureau of military operations, Zuhair Mohsen‘s statement in 1977: ‘The Palestinian people do not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians and Lebanese; we are all members of the same nation. Solely for political reasons are we careful to stress our identity as Palestinians. Since a separate State of Palestine would be an extra weapon in Arab hands to fight Zionism with. Yes, we do call for the creation of a Palestinian state for tactical reasons. Such a state would be a new means of continuing the battle against Zionism, and for Arab unity.’
People who aren't Indigenous have no authority to determine what is Colonialism. It's not just moving somewhere, and it's not just two countries at war. Native Americans existed in civilization completely separate to the Old World for 10,000 years before clashing with Europe. That's not comparable to the Arab-Israel conflict, considering all Arabs and Jews have been part of each other's origin since the dawn of each of them as a people. It's completely laughable to compare colonialism which was like a clash between entirely alien worlds, to a war between two well established peoples in the regions they've both been established in for longer than 1000 years. It's completely fictional.
@@kirstyduncan408 wrong. there is almost no canaanite blood left in the world. a few pockets of people living in lebanon are all that's left, according to the most recent and comprehensive study of the genetic dispersion within the levant, done in 2017... and there's literally nobody trying to claim the land in the name of canaan, are there? which means your little argument is completely moot. take your lies and propaganda somewhere else. and the majority of the jews in israel, today, are the descendants of the jews ejectied from places like iraq, iran, algeria, syria and egypt. not europe. germany killed most european jews. that's why we all decided to give them their ancient homeland back.
The Jewish Colonisation Association[1][2][3] (JCA or ICA; Yiddish: ייִק"אַ), was an organisation created on September 11, 1891, by Baron Maurice de Hirsch. Its aim was to facilitate the mass emigration of Jews from Russia and other Eastern European countries, by settling them in agricultural settlements on lands purchased by the committee in North America (Canada and the United States), South America (Argentina and Brazil) and Ottoman Palestine. Today ICA is still active in Israel in supporting specific development projects under the name Jewish Charitable Association
And? So you base an opinion on the name of a single organization nobody has heard of? In 1891 and for the next 30 years, the Jews who emigrated from eastern Europe were refugees because they were, seeking refuge from oppressive governments and countries.
my Jewish family were in Southern Africa by 1713. I have known no other home. So ehat does that make us. There was a question asked a zulu chief years ago. When after time both peoples called the land home. And the children of your children learn to love this land. Then who's children will be called African.
You knowing no other home is an embarrassment to your parent who have failed you. The desire to be United with our home land is a focal point of Judaism yom kipper is coming soon and the end of that holiday we express our desire for Israel as an example. But even without that the people living in Israel did not unseat anyone else to live there except for the Arab who colonized Israel long ago
Phew, glad you’ve found a way to explain widespread opposition to Israeli (note: not Jewish) policy that isn’t grounded in behaviour and policies of the Israeli government… Would hate to face the reality that opposition could be linked to the fact Israel has perpetrated a range of well documented crimes against Palestinians, engages in systems of apartheid outside the green line, and denies rights to Palestinians within the green line.
Palestine was described as a sparsely populated wasteland before the arrival of Jews escaping European discrimination and returning to their ancestral land. Most so called Palestinians were recent arrivals from Egypt and Syria who moved to Palestine to work on Jewish farms and factories so they are also recent settlers.
Because they contextualize "colonialism" as just being anyone from any place moving to a different place. When in reality, colonialism was not a mere battle between two powers which were well known to each other. It would be more similar to a literal hypothetical alien invasion from space. Nobody in North America had established relations with Europe, or vice versa. It was as if space aliens came from another planet... That's not the context of the Arab-Israel conflict, which has been going on for 3000 years. When Natives and Europeans first clashed, as if two completely alien people converged on each other. Whereas that's not the historical relationship between Arabs and Jews, who have been part of each other's existence since the dawn of time, so the contextualization that the Native/European first contact was comparable to the Arab-Israel conflict is completely laughable. 😂
Adam Kirsch, you got it wrong, you use the wrong terms for areas of Biblical Israel.There is no such thing as the West Bank, as it is the west bank of Jordan. The correct term for these areas are Yehuda and Shomron. This is the Heart Land of the Jewish Homeland were Abraham, Issac and Jacob walked. By the way, the many of American Indians support and identify with Israel.
The UN definition of Palestinian is any non Jewish person. The majority of which are Egyptian and Syrian just like Arafat the PLO leader who recruited them!
Land acknowledgements are pervasive in Australia at all levels! Wishing you good health and thanks for the informative, professional programs. There are many, many supporters of Israel, unfortunately not at theblevel of Ms Wong but we are here. Greetings from Australia
"All Jews are Settlers" isn't new! As Einat Wilf says, not wanting the Jews to have a state at all goes all the way back to the 1930s, if not even further to the 1880s. "We don't want no two state ... we want 1948". What is new is that many of us who that that "the problem" is 1967 are finally waking up. Let's hope we are numerous and clear and strong enough to push back!
23:18 the fashionable and strongly-promoted world view of 'settler colonialism' is 'historically inactive and politically useless as it doesn't tell us anything about how to solve these problems'
Excellent point. I remember that in the 1970s (I think) an excavator working on a river bank in Kennewick, Washington exposed some bones which appeared to be human. Thinking that he might have uncovered a homicide burial site, the equipment operator contacted law enforcement authorities. The mysterious human remains were forensically examined and removed. Anthropologists determined that the bones were prehistoric human. When officials of a local American Indian tribe were notified as required by Federal law for disposition of the remains, the Anthropologists who were in possession of the bones had discovered what they thought was evidence that the skeleton predated the earliest remains previously discovered, all those of the Clovis people who all living American native people trace their North American ancestry to, and upon which they hang their claims of being victims of European colonial displacement. The news that the remains, now circulating in the media as "Kennewick Man", might be from an indigenous civilization previous to the arrival of the Clovis People panicked Native American activists because such a discovery might undermine their claims to victimhood of European colonialism. They demanded that the scientists immediately surrender the remains for disposal by the nearest registered tribe, in accordance with their tribal customs, citing Federal law. The anthropologists refused to comply. Lawsuits and countersuits flew. The bones ended up in a safe in custody of a Federal judge for several years pending the outcome of the litigation. The resolution was anticlimactic because subsequent scientific investigations, carbon dating, etc. concluded that the skeletal remains were indeed Clovis, which ended the controversy without undermining the American Indian victim activists' claims of subjugation by European colonists. But it shows how important, morally, politically, and economically these claims by "indigenous" people's to moral legitimacy are to these groups. I think it proves in most cases that an ethnic group's claim to territory is limited only by its military capability of taking and defending it regardless of the moral issues involved. The Jews may be the interesting exception that proves the rule. They came to unsettled Canaan, Judea, and Sumaria as escaped slaves from Egypt and created their own Jewish pacification of the land by establishing permanent cities and agricultural settlements. Many powerful armies and nations tried to conquer them. In many cases they were able to defend their land, but not in all cases, thus the Diaspora, and eventually after a long interval, return and establishment of the modern Jewish State of Israel. Under constant attack since 1948, they have so far proven capable of defending their sovereignty as a nation state. What the future portends is yet to be known, but I wouldn't bet against them!
Jews were admitted to the United States in their millions. The people of the Levant did not extend such an invitation, but believed they would be overwhelmed by Jewish immigrants, which is what happened. Without wishing ill towards Israel, we can admit this.
a little trivial but maybe not: When did the word 'settlers' stop being pronounced as settle-ers into this new pronunciation that feels derogatory and it's spit out like, 'Set-lers'? Set-ler Colonialism, Set-lers in Israel. I thought it was pronounced settler as in, 'one who settles'? Am I wrong,? Nitpicking?
Speaking of the Left, the anti imperialists, the PLO were part of it. The PLO fought Israel for 20 years+ but eventually agreed to accept partition of Palestine into Jewish and Arab states. Israel, however, has dropped the ball, while Palestinians, including Hamas and others, have fought Israel again.
Thank you Jonathan and Adam. One thread of the colonial/settler argument is based on genetic analysis. If I got the gist right, it holds that the DNA of contemporary Arab Palestinians is closer to those who lived in and around Jerusalem two millennia ago than that of contemporary Jewish inhabitants in the same place. Thus, these Jews "came from" someplace else; thus they're settlers. I don't find this persuasive, and I just now bought Adam's book in Kindle format, but I'm curious as to whether Adam confronts the genetic line of argument.
The idea of a Jewish National Homeland was put formally in place in the early 1900s. It was agreed to by Emir-King Feisal I bin Al-Husseini bin Ali Al-Hashemii as shown in the Feisal-Weizmann Agreement. It was signed by both parties on January 3rd, 1919. It included provisions for Jewish immigration, as it was understood that the Jewish People needed a Homeland. It was also agreed to by the European Powers who, along with the Jews and the Arabs, defeated the German and Ottoman Empires in WWI. King Feisal was not a British puppet king. He was the most prominent and respected Arab leader at the time, by Arabs as well as other peoples. He was the King of all Arabia and the Hajaz and the Grand Sharif of Mecca. He signed the Feisal-Weizmann Agreement on January 3rd, 1919 with his full name and title showing that he understood and supported the Agreement. The Jews and the Arabs fought together for their independence in WWI against the harsh and oppressive Ottoman Empire. The understanding was that the Jews would receive a territory sufficient for their religion and their people, and that the Arabs would receive all the other Ottoman territories which are very extensive and about twenty times larger than what was to become the Jewish State of Israel. This has been fulfilled on the Arab side of the agreement. It has yet to be fulfilled for the Jews. "A land without a people, for a people without a land." "A land without a people, for a people without a land." This statement was coined by Anthony Ashley Cooper, the 7th Earl of Shaftesbury, also known by the title; Lord Shaftesbury. Many travelers, writers, and reporters have stated the same about the land of Israel. The following is a quick but abbreviated list of these reporters: 1697, Thomas Shaw, English traveler - 18th century historian, French Count Constantine Francois Volney - 1816, James Silk Buckingham, English traveler - 1836, British nobleman Alexander William Crawford Lindsay - 1837, British Royal Commission - 1840, Lord Shaftsbury, Anthony Ashley Cooper 7th earl of Shaftesbury - 1852, English Clergyman Henry Burgess Whitaker Churton - 1853, Reverend Arthur G. H. Hollingsworth - 1857, British Council in Palestine - 1857, Herman Melville, author of 'Moby Dick' - 1860, Henry Baker Tristram - 1869, Mark Twain - 1888, Sir John William Dawson - 1888, English Clergyman Reverend Samuel Manning This being said there has always been a Jewish presence in Israel and in the Middle East, dating back to the times of Moses and to the days of Israel himself. Most Palestinians who are in Israel now, came during the first half of the 20th century, for better job opportunities and perhaps as interlopers taking over and taking claim and credit for the improvements the Jews were making to Israel. This is reflected in their surnames which are from other and surrounding countries. One of the most common Palestinian surnames is Al-Masri. In Arabic, Al-Masri literally means "the Egyptian." You'll also see Palestinians named Hourani, from Houran in southern Syria, - Tzurani, from Tyre in southern Lebanon, - Zrakawi, from Mazraka in Jordan, - Hijazi from the Hijaz province of the Arabian peninsula, - Mughrabi, from the Maghreb, - Elmisri, from Egypt, - Chalabi, Syrian, - Mugrabi, North Africa, - Habash, from Ethiopia. Many other names point to the Palestinian's true hereditary and geographical origins. It was originally intended that the Jewish people would receive all of what is now Israel and the area that is now Jordan as well. The maps of the Mandate for Palestine clearly show this. The British were given documented international legal title to the land of Palestine by the League of Nations who received it from the defeated Ottoman Turks. The Palestinians didn't accept this. In 1922 Winston Churchill put in place the first Two-State-Solution which could be called Israel-Jordan. The Israelis were to receive Israel and the people who are now called Palestinians did receive Jordan. Jordan is two times larger than Israel. Today two-thirds of the population of Jordan are Palestinians. Again the Muslims would not accept this solution, and riots and fighting broke out. 1933 saw the rise of Nazism and Hitler. World War Two took over much of the world's energy and consciousness between 1939 and 1945. Palestinian Arabs collaborated with the Nazis during this time and helped to promote and instigate the Holocaust. Their leading Supreme Mufti, Amin al-Husseini, as well as other "Palestinian" Muslim leaders met with Hitler and his high-ranking officials several times and helped to recruit Muslims into the Nazi forces. They even promoted the use of concentration camps. The Mufti lived in Germany for most of WWII where he headed up anti-Jewish propaganda. He continued his anti-Israeli propaganda until 1974 when he died. Yasser Arafat is the Mufti's grandson. He has also continued the Mufti's propaganda, war and genocide campaigns. WWII and the Holocaust ended in 1945. In 1947 the UN, now in control of the area, put in place the second Two-State-Solution, which gave the people who are now called Palestinians good portions of Israel, while they already had Jordan and while Jerusalem would become an international city. Israel agreed to this and declared themselves the independent State of Israel. Again the Arab Muslims wouldn't accept this solution and Israel was attacked by five surrounding Arab nations. This was the Israeli 1948 War of Independence. Israel won this war and gained a bit more territory. Since 1948 close to a million Jews have been pogromed out of Arab Muslim nations into Israel. Mostly from places and lands where they had lived for centuries and even millennia. Almost all of them having no place to go except Israel. The first massacre of Jews by Islamists occurred in Madhammad's day and was carried out by Madhammad himself. It was because the Jews would not "submit" to Islam. This conflict has been going on for a long time. Since 1920 several Two-State-Solutions and other solutions have been put in place: In 1920 the Israel-Jordan separation plan, in 1937 the Peel Commission, in 1939 the British White Paper, 1947 the UN Partition Plan, 1979 Egypt-Israel peace negotiations offered the Palestinians autonomy. Then there are the Oslo agreements of the 1990s. In 2000, Prime Minister Ehud Barak offered to create a Palestinian state in all of Gaza and 97 percent of the West Bank. In 2008 Prime Minister Ehud Olmert offered to withdraw from almost the entire West Bank and partition Jerusalem on a demographic basis. In addition, from 1948 to 1967, Jordan controlled the West Bank. The Palestinians could have received an independent state from the Jordanians. Each time Israel agreed to these solutions and the Palestinians did not and started conflicts and war. It wasn't until the 1960s that the Palestinians as a separate group started calling themselves Palestinians, perhaps trying to claim the land for themselves in that way, or because people didn't know what else to call them or they didn't know what to call themselves. Before that 'Palestinian' meant all peoples living in either Israel or Jordan, whether they were Jewish, Muslim, Christian, or of any other faith or belief system. The word "Palestinian" actually comes from the ancient Jewish word 'plishtim' which means 'invaders'. In 2005 the Palestinians received an independent state in Gaza. They could have built a beautiful country with all the aid and assistance they received, and sitting on the Mediterranean like they are. Instead, they made a psychotic terrorist network out of the entire country and used it as a launching pad to attack Israel on October 7th, 2023. There is more information and details concerning all these things. However, this is part of the history of events in Israel from the 1800s up until the present day.
The Oslo Agreements give the only juridical base for a two state solution. In order to reach the solution the process must be fulfilled, and the agreement gives also legitimacy to settlement blocks that are 2% of Judea and Samaria and they provide employment for Palestinians in the upper wage earners in Palestine that sustain the needs of greater numbers of Palestinians in Judea and Samaria.
Arab and Jewish interactions have been a problem in the Middle East at least since the 1920's. I often think about "just who are the Palestinians ?" We know the Jews in the area, we know who they are as there are records of land transfers, birth records, travel documentation as Jews left there homes and migrated to the Middle East. We DON"T have that information about the "Palestinians" at the end of WW1 the Ottoman Empire dissolved and as a result there was real uncertainty about who "belonged". Yasser Arafat was Egyptian by birth and grew up in Egypt, how was he a Palestinian and someone born and bred in Israel not legitamate. There were, of course, native inhabitants of the area, primarily Arab, bedouins, and Jews.but in the 1930's the Jews came in ( legally mostly I think ) but many many others we cannot identify, Ottomans, Egyptions, Arabs. Do they qualify as native inhabitants ? Palestinians ? Further muddying the argument we have WW2, at the end of which, many MILLIONS of people were displaced by war and nation building/destruction ( think of India/Pakistan) , into this maelstrom came the creation of Israel in 1948, after many many years of violence on the part of the other newly created Arab Nations in the region. Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia and other Nations were created out of whole cloth, and immediately declared the illigitimacy of Israel, when their own autocracies were in fact the same. This problem will not end in my lifetime.
Despite arguments with history or dna which might be difficult for people to understand and agree that the Jews are natives of that land ,now Israel. Archaeology never lies so Temple Mount is the foundation of King Solomon Temple was built by Jews centuries ago in Jerusalem, then after destruction of King Solomon Temple by Romans , 600 plus years later ,Dome of Rock was built by the Muslim on top of Jewish holy site.
Native Americans and South African blacks have equal rights to those who they call the oppressor in Syd country. Palestinians do not have equal rights to Israeli. This is the problem.
I think you are over analysing a theology which was simply invented to cause trouble in the first place. I also think we overly fixate on both the far left and the islamists. It's obvious to me that very powerful people within the western oligarchi have also been deeply involved with purposefully allowing these ideologies to spread completely unchecked for decades. I also suspect they have allowed it just out of laziness or corruption they obviously seem to think it's also beneficial to them.
Thank you for your thought provoking podcast. I am Hispanic, according to my DNA, I have Jewish, Muslim, Amerindian. My ancestors were given an offer from the Queen of Spain that they could not refuse, Catholicism. I am glad they converted to join the great Spanish family. No regrets.
8:19 because we listen to your rhetoric and watch your actions as an abusive husband looks on his bruised daughter in laws face; we know what you're doing because you learned it from us
Has Tobin lost weight ? Or I am hallucinating . Jews have always been in varying number in Palestine depending on.political and economic opportunities . They were also scattered in middle east north Africa and central Asia Iran Yemen and part of Arabian peninsula .But along with other races throughout history . Current Jewish population is mixture of north African middle eastern central asian etc along with hereditary European Jews . But not all European Jews are hereditary some are convert and right of return is fiction . A point raised validly by PLA president . Can all indians settle in India and all Buddhists in Nepal or all white races in Europe , this is impossible for others and for Jews too in the past and even now .
I really don’t think “woke” ideology has much to do with this phenomenon. Or perhaps, more precisely, the phrase “woke” is used almost as a dismissive slur. Acknowledging native lands is an important reminder and acknowledgment. I would love it if there could be a discussion of this topic without dismissing and flippantly deriding efforts to acknowledge the experiences of indigenous peoples, whether here or in Australia or elsewhere. And Jonathan, you mock CRT and DEI (sounding much like Ron DeSantis, Donald Trump, et al) but you obviously don’t understand what it is. If your goal is to bridge gaps and educate people who see things differently, I’m afraid your smug, derisive attitude will undermine those efforts. I would have liked to share this discussion with people I’d like to educate and prompt to think more deeply, but I won’t because I’m afraid many of your comments and attitude will be an automatic turn-off. On the other hand, your guest is very thoughtful and serious and has a more open, objective approach.
So glad you are better! We need you and your work!!
At the outset of this episode you have cogently introduced the topic of "settler colonialism", and even as an amateur Gentile scholar of Jewish and Israeli history I am frankly shocked at the absurdity of this libelous Antisemitic proposition! How could the post-Holocaust migration of Diaspora Jews to their ancestral homeland in British Mandate Palestine be rationally considered to be "colonialism"? The Jews are arguably the most persecuted and oppressed ethnic minority in human history, powerless after two dark milennia of persecution and exploitation, if anyone had the right to refuge in an enclave of self defendable security, it was the Jews! After two centuries of European pogroms and organized mass murder, where the hell were they supposed to go? Uganda? So, I am anxious to listen to and learn from your distinguished guest. ❤️🐻🙏🇮🇱🇺🇲
actually there was a proposal between herzl and the british government called the "uganda plan", the zionist mission almost ended up there! herzl also proposed buying a piece of argentina to settle there instead before settling on palestine. while the jews escaping nazi genocide were indeed refugees, they arrived as refugees in a land that had been settled under the british mandate which was a colonial framework laid out in the waning days of the british empire. in fact the first zionist bank was called the "jewish colonial trust" and many of zionisms founding fathers openly referred to the project as colonial in its formative years.
The founders of Zionism were quite open about it being a colonial project, because colonization wasn't a dirty word back then. Here are some quotes from Theodore Herzl:
Philanthropic colonization is a failure. National colonization will succeed.
We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any employment in our own country .... expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly.
Herzl's letter to Cecil Rhodes is also instructive. And the early agencies for encouraging immigration had names like the Jewish Colonisation Association and Jewish Colonial Trust. They didn't feel the need to hide it back then.
It seems that there may be an unnoticed ambiguity on the word “colonial”: an earlier sense, and the present-day sense. In their book Israel and the Family of Nations (Routledge 2009/2010), Alexander Yakobson and Amnon Rubinstein argue (against Ilan Pappé) that in the early days of the Zionist project, the word “colonial” (or “colonization,” etc.) was in European languages merely a term used to describe pretty much any settlement project “even if it was unrelated to colonialism in the sense which is understood today, not part of any conflict, and undertaken inside the state doing the settling, not outside its borders…” (p. 75). The authors provide some examples as support (Jewish “colonies” inside Tsarist Russia and in Argentina) and then conclude: “Thus it is obvious that while Zionist spokesmen, speaking in European languages, can indeed be quoted as referring to Jewish ‘colonization,’ ‘colonies’ and colonists’ in Palestine [the region], this is no proof that the Zionist movement was ‘colonialist’ in the present-day sense of the word.” (p. 75) Something to consider.
@@hendrikvanderbreggen Hendrik, really excellent scholarship on this very important point! Thank you for making this argument by citing examples from other scholars of the subject. The world needs to hear this wisdom, and I thank you for your efforts to unveil the truth about the post-Holocaust migration of Diaspora Jews back to their ancestral homeland, and defending their right to exist there in peace, security, and indigenous prosperity. 🙏🐻🇺🇲🇮🇱
@@hendrikvanderbreggen Sounds good if you ignore my second quote and the letter to Rhodes, which everyone who agrees with you definitely will.
A native American professor was giving discourse on the Indian wars 150 years ago and mentioned that the United States government paid bounties on Indian scalps when turned in has reward for killing the natives
Reminded me of what the PLO does with the pay for slay cash money glorification for Martyrs program that they've always engaged in and that the United States ignores as it sends them money annually.
The professor did not reply when I pointed out the parallels, one more crash landing at the intersection of intersectionality where reality does not intersect
Tired of having their land taken by settlers, the Plains Indians finally fought back at the Battle of Little Bighorn, committing atrocities against the whites. The response was that federal troops were called in and the tribes ruthlessly driven out and exterminated. Kind of reminds me of Oct 7.
@@John-c3u9o Except that most of the Palestinians in Israel in 1948 were Jordanian and Egyptian and didn’t have a national identity per Yasser Arafat in the 60s. Except that the Jews were indigenous to the land before Mohamed was born. Except that Israel has bent over backwards before and after Oct. 7 to provide humanitarian aid to Palestine. Except that Palestine elected a government that OPENLY STATED that their reason to exist was to commit GENOCIDE on the Jews. Their purpose is to slaughter Jews until no more Jews were left. Does that remind you of Nazis? Because the Amin Al Hosseini collaborated with the nazis to enact the Final Solution in Israel. You support genocide.
@@John-c3u9o Do you think it is American colonizer guilt then that they are driven to draw parallels?
@@John-c3u9o The plains tribes were being pushed out by a more powerful ethnic group, this had happened before in North America, different tribes expanded their territories at the expense of their neighbours. The Comanche in the south comes to mind and I am sure there are other documented examples.
There is archeology of a people that lived in the North prior to the Inuit, they were "displaced or eliminated" prior to European expansion.
My family arrived as a result of the "highland clearances" in the Middle Ages, the Irish had the potato famine. there are countless examples of cultural expansions that cannot possibly be described as deliberate theft.
The pressures of a people to "move" can be as simple as a potato blight, or extended drought.
I’d say it is more reminiscent of the land prize Jewish colonies get when they eliminate Palestinians in occupied enclaves without any consequence.
Jonathan, this distressing news of your illness was new to me. I pray for your continuing recovery to full and robust health. Your consequential voice on behalf of Israel, America, and Western Civilization must not be silenced. God speed, my friend! 🐻🙏🇮🇱🇺🇲
You can't colonize a place you've been in for 4 thousand years since the cannanites were conquered and assimilated. Some are just returning to the homeland.
Is simple Europe for European, Africa for African Israel is on the African tectonic plate not the european plate? Home back to the europen colony.
If people travel from distant places and displace the local population to establish their own society, what would you call that?
First time i encountered this land statement was my daughters university graduation. It started the event and was followed by extreme DEI ideology and parades of Palestine flags and cheers. Even the clearly gay students participated. Won’t forget that evening.
Prayers for your health -- keep up the good fight and please take care, your people need you.
It's good to see your face again, Jonathan! Thank you for discussing this topic, which has direct relevance to those of us living in Canada and the US, and how it also ties into the situation in Israel. I have another book on my list regarding this topic and I'm adding this to my list as well.
Praying for your full recovery 🙏
Palestine is a term the Roman Empire gave to the land in 135 ad to spite and humiliate the Jews for revolting against them and exiling many of them to other lands including the ones in Europe, so the word Palestine came from Europe, and the land had the name Israel before Palestine. And the people who call themselves Palestinians came from the Arabian peninsula in 7th century, and a Palestinian state never existed for real. And Palestine is something that the Arabs who call themselves that have stolen that identity from that extinct European tribe called the philistines/palestinians aka the tribe of Goliath from Crete, Greece, Europe. So Palestine is a colonial term.
The people who call themselves Israelis are randos from Belarus and Brooklyn who came over in the 20th century.
The real name of Israel's Prime Minister is Benjamin Mileikowsky. "Netanhayu" is literally a fake Middle-Eastern name. Modern Hebrew was invented by linguists, who recast the ancient language. "Israel" is an invention of 19th-century ethno--nationalism. There was no ancient "nation-state" of "Israel" in the modern sense. There were simply various Israelite city-states and tiny kingdoms in the area that co-existed with city-states and kingdoms of other peoples. None of the Israelite kindoms were along the coastal regions, so if Israel's claim is based on ancient states they'd have to give back most of the coast. The Palestinians did not come from the Arabian peninsula, only their conquerors did. The modern day Palestinians have little DNA from the Arabian peninsula. They descend from the Greek and Aramaic-speaking Christians who inhabited the region at the time of the Islamic conquests. A "state of Austria" never existed until 1921. Does that mean Austrians have no claim to the territory because it was never previously a nation-state? Is there no such thing as "Austrians"?
You are cutting and pasting AIPAC boilerplate.
@@John-c3u9o Well said. Also, don't forget that the ancient city of Tel Aviv was invented by Zionists and named after an ordinary German 19th Century novel.
@@John-c3u9o if the Palestinians don’t come from the Arabian peninsula, then why are they Arabs, why do they keep calling themselves Arabs and why do they speak the Arabic language, and Aramaic came from Syria not the land of Israel Judea and Samaria, but the Hebrew language is a Canaanite language and the nation of Israel is speaking it. And yes there is ancient Israel, the Mesha stele mentions, the Kurkh monoliths mention it, the Tel Dan stele mentions it, including the Merneptah stele mentions the kingdom of Israel. The Palestinians were no where to be seen in the land during king Saul’s time when he United the 12 tribes in 1047 BC to form the United monarchy of Israel. And the words of Benjamin Netanyahu’s name came from the Middle East it’s also from the language. And the reason why the Jews were in Europe is because the Romans brought them over there as slaves after the second Jewish revolt from 132-135 AD and the Romans gave the land a fake name that is Palestine. And boilerplate? look who’s talking, at least I don’t Liston to Islamic terrorist propaganda. And also the Arabs got the identity Palestinian in 1964, never has a Palestinian state ever existed, and the British mandate is not an Arab state but a British colonial entity. If you don’t like with what I said then that’s on you and ignore me if that helps you.
@@joeyconlin6543 The Byzantine inhabitants of Palestine adopted the language and religion of their conquerors, as did most of the peoples conquered by the Arabs. Historians estimate the process took about 200 years. So they are called "Arabs" because they speak Arabic, not because they are from the Arabian Peninsula. As to ancient Israelites, modern archeology has determined that Jerusalem at the time you are referring to had a population of no more than 3,000 people and a small hinterland surrounding it. At the same time there were other Canaanite kingdoms. Modern Palestinians descend from the ancient Canaanites. As do Jews. At the time there was no distinct racial or ethnic group of "Israelites." Modern historians have all concluded that "Israelites" were simply a break-away sect of Canaanites that formed a distinct identity based on worship of "Yahweh" as opposed to worship of Baal. There likely was no "exodus" at all, or if there was, it was only a tiny group, rejoining the main Israelite population, that never left the region of Canaan. The rest was myth-making that was part of Israelite identity formation.
Greetings from Costa Rica 🇨🇷, Shana tova
You have been a very significant source of comfort at this difficult time with your calm sane and interesting analyses. I wish you a speedy and complete recovery.
Praying for you daily, Jonathan. May HaShem grace you with revitalisation after your recent illness. Your insight and voice are needed today. ❤ From Canada.
Yes... as a Christian l accept God giving Caanan to Abraham, Isaac & Jacob.. forever.
You arw no christian
How is Canaan related to abraham??😂😂😂 Do you even know what Canaan is? 😂😂😂 And you claim to be a Christian??? What a liar😂😂
The native americans are settlers who arrived from east asia. Return the land to the bison and mastadons.
They committed genocide on the mastadons!
From sea to shining sea the bison should be free!
Shalom Jonathan Shana Tova, Great to see you back and hopefully healthy!
❤️
We stand with Israel forever
You think you stand forever
@@imankhandaker6103 no. You think…
@@Nothing-hp3zq ...but you don't. Which is why you can find nothing to say.
Ozymandias thought he stood forever ... perhaps his feet still do?
To the fans of the "settler colonialism" standard of "who was here first?" for determining the legitimate right of land possession, I would pose the question of "how far back in time do you want to go?" The Crusades drove the Jews and Arabs from Jerusalem, and in the case of the Jews, scattered them to the ends of the earth. So, it seems obvious to me that the return of the Jews to their ancestral homeland was forordained and long overdue. The European pogroms and ultimately the Holocaust finally gave the Jews the impetus, the push, to return under the flag of Zionism in a pitifully desperate search for a refuge from persecution where they could be safe and defend themselves from relentless existential attacks. That they did this so successfully is now the source of villification and genocidal war by their enemies. That's the way I see it. 🐻🙏🇮🇱🇺🇲
The settler/colonial myth as used by “Palestinians” was invented in Russia by the KGB in the 60’s.
Its actually history. The british created the zionist state. You do not gwt to deny actual history. Lie to yourselces the world knows the truth. Justifying genocide on a lie.
@@kirstyduncan408 you need to go look up the term genocide and then try to justify its use, in this situation... because the only genocide in the middle east is the one the muslims have been perpetuating against the jews since 1948. and i can prove it with real, actual numbers.
Exactly! As per the former head of the PLO bureau of military operations, Zuhair Mohsen‘s statement in 1977:
‘The Palestinian people do not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians and Lebanese; we are all members of the same nation. Solely for political reasons are we careful to stress our identity as Palestinians. Since a separate State of Palestine would be an extra weapon in Arab hands to fight Zionism with. Yes, we do call for the creation of a Palestinian state for tactical reasons. Such a state would be a new means of continuing the battle against Zionism, and for Arab unity.’
Jordan and Egypt are Palestinians country. No problem they have a plenty of land there!
They don’t want them either. No one wants the Muslim brotherhood
and they colonized EUROPE & NORTH AND SOUTH AMERICA IN CASE NOBODY NOTICED
Lol Israelis also think Jordan is their land.
@@ratulxyit is.
Don't take either one's word for it. The book " From Time Immemorial " tells the story of who lived where and when in the words of the Califs, Ottomans, Saladin etc.
I have been watching previous podcasts of yours.
It is good to see you back:)
A Christian from Australia. 4:33
Same from NZ. 😊 💕🇮🇱
Thanks for the interview. My copy of Adam Kirsch's book arrived today and I look forward to reading it!
Glad to know that you doing better Jonathan! Thank you for this episode, I miss your article take care of your health G-d bless you!
Good to hear from you, glad you are better ; A good year to you with blessings.
Thank you so much. So happy to have you back. Keep getting stronger
As a Rhodesian, this bought up so many memories.
Glad you are back! 💙🇮🇱 We sure missed you!
Glad you are recovering well. Keep on talking, and supporting a reality based view of the world. You do a great job.
Actually, the Jews are the indigenous people. The first people here were Noach's son, Shem. The cananim came and conquered them. When the Jews came out of Mitzrayim, Hashem gave us this land to take back
Netanyahu is white as f..
Thank you and so glad you are healthy and back! ❤️🩹
I am pleased you are improving. I missed your unique presentation. Full of truth and wisdom.
Your voice is very soothing, which helps when one is hearing such Israel hatred.
A Christian from Australia. 5:52
Hi Jonathan, it is so nice to have you back! We missed you a lot. Great program. Shana Tova! May you be inscribed in the book of Life and Good Deeds. You are really contributing to the betterment of society. All the best from Beer Sheva, Israel.
The anti-Israel people I know here in Ireland have a ludicrously simplistic understanding of the conflict.
Strangely though, with all that knowledge, you still find yourself on the wrong side of history.
@@SuperKripke sound byte
I keep telling people here in Ireland that there is no comparison atall with the Irish independence whatsoever and Palestine. Its never been a country, etc
The mainstream media here is extremely anti-Israel and I dont listen to it atall as it upsets me. TBN Israel Yair Pinto,CBN Chris Mitchell, JNS, and a few others that people like myself listen to .
Ofcourse in Ireland we have had alot of paramilitaries I suppose on both sides
violent groups on Republician and Loyalists sides
some indeed having links with the PLO and now are active in the Palestinian cause in protest marches.
I find most distressing is the attitude of the Government in relation to Israel and recognising a Palestinian State, etc. Now the President not surprised as in the past he has always been leftwing anti-,Israel and anti-American.
But what can we do .just keep explaining I suppose.
The whole world belongs to God the creator of Heaven and Earth!!!
All people are settlers !!!
Poor dear, get well soon and sending you strength and health.
Jonathon, you are the man. Hope to see you at J&L M's home soon. Best to your daughter as well.
According to the former head of the PLO bureau of military operations, Zuhair Mohsen‘s statement in 1977:
‘The Palestinian people do not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians and Lebanese; we are all members of the same nation. Solely for political reasons are we careful to stress our identity as Palestinians. Since a separate State of Palestine would be an extra weapon in Arab hands to fight Zionism with. Yes, we do call for the creation of a Palestinian state for tactical reasons. Such a state would be a new means of continuing the battle against Zionism, and for Arab unity.’
People who aren't Indigenous have no authority to determine what is Colonialism. It's not just moving somewhere, and it's not just two countries at war.
Native Americans existed in civilization completely separate to the Old World for 10,000 years before clashing with Europe.
That's not comparable to the Arab-Israel conflict, considering all Arabs and Jews have been part of each other's origin since the dawn of each of them as a people.
It's completely laughable to compare colonialism which was like a clash between entirely alien worlds, to a war between two well established peoples in the regions they've both been established in for longer than 1000 years. It's completely fictional.
No, the arabs aren't indigenous to Israel they are indigenous to the Arabian peninsula where they can return to at any time
People are indigenous to wherever they are born
@DavidMcdonald-df8tb I guess there is 300million native Americans
@@resolecca that is correct
Europeans aren't indigenous. Palestinians have levanthine bna as did the canaanites the europeans don't
@@kirstyduncan408 wrong. there is almost no canaanite blood left in the world. a few pockets of people living in lebanon are all that's left, according to the most recent and comprehensive study of the genetic dispersion within the levant, done in 2017... and there's literally nobody trying to claim the land in the name of canaan, are there? which means your little argument is completely moot.
take your lies and propaganda somewhere else.
and the majority of the jews in israel, today, are the descendants of the jews ejectied from places like iraq, iran, algeria, syria and egypt. not europe. germany killed most european jews. that's why we all decided to give them their ancient homeland back.
Praying 🙏 for complete healing for you ❤️
The Jewish Colonisation Association[1][2][3] (JCA or ICA; Yiddish: ייִק"אַ), was an organisation created on September 11, 1891, by Baron Maurice de Hirsch. Its aim was to facilitate the mass emigration of Jews from Russia and other Eastern European countries, by settling them in agricultural settlements on lands purchased by the committee in North America (Canada and the United States), South America (Argentina and Brazil) and Ottoman Palestine. Today ICA is still active in Israel in supporting specific development projects under the name Jewish Charitable Association
No wonder - land of Israel was colony of Turks and UK
So calling “academia” and humanitarian “ intellectuals” just a presstitutes of NWO elite
Jews is only original owners of all Land of israel
And? So you base an opinion on the name of a single organization nobody has heard of? In 1891 and for the next 30 years, the Jews who emigrated from eastern Europe were refugees because they were, seeking refuge from oppressive governments and countries.
Glad you are back! 💙🇮🇱
I look forward to seeing Kirsch’s book.
my Jewish family were in Southern Africa by 1713. I have known no other home. So ehat does that make us. There was a question asked a zulu chief years ago. When after time both peoples called the land home. And the children of your children learn to love this land. Then who's children will be called African.
You knowing no other home is an embarrassment to your parent who have failed you. The desire to be United with our home land is a focal point of Judaism yom kipper is coming soon and the end of that holiday we express our desire for Israel as an example. But even without that the people living in Israel did not unseat anyone else to live there except for the Arab who colonized Israel long ago
@cohenlabe1 oh I have lived on Israel now for 10 years then went America and back to Africa. so.
@@SAFARIBLADESMITH we cant for get the full name of the land is Eretz yisreal and it belongs to am yisreal
@cohenlabe1 no we can't and must fight for it. and not give any away for fake peace. yet this is not about land.
Am Yisrael Chai
Phew, glad you’ve found a way to explain widespread opposition to Israeli (note: not Jewish) policy that isn’t grounded in behaviour and policies of the Israeli government… Would hate to face the reality that opposition could be linked to the fact Israel has perpetrated a range of well documented crimes against Palestinians, engages in systems of apartheid outside the green line, and denies rights to Palestinians within the green line.
Glad you're back. Best of health to you.
Anyone who claims that he is an illegal settler should move out immediately!!
Is simple Europe for European, Africa for African Israel is on the African tectonic plate not the European plate? Home back to the European colony.
Palestine was described as a sparsely populated wasteland before the arrival of Jews escaping European discrimination and returning to their ancestral land. Most so called Palestinians were recent arrivals from Egypt and Syria who moved to Palestine to work on Jewish farms and factories so they are also recent settlers.
This myth of a vacant land has been perpetuated in such books as “From Time Immemorial.”
Glad you are back!! Praying for your continued recovery! We need your voice! 👍
Another great show. Always a pleasure.
Because they contextualize "colonialism" as just being anyone from any place moving to a different place.
When in reality, colonialism was not a mere battle between two powers which were well known to each other. It would be more similar to a literal hypothetical alien invasion from space.
Nobody in North America had established relations with Europe, or vice versa. It was as if space aliens came from another planet... That's not the context of the Arab-Israel conflict, which has been going on for 3000 years.
When Natives and Europeans first clashed, as if two completely alien people converged on each other. Whereas that's not the historical relationship between Arabs and Jews, who have been part of each other's existence since the dawn of time, so the contextualization that the Native/European first contact was comparable to the Arab-Israel conflict is completely laughable. 😂
Adam Kirsch, you got it wrong, you use the wrong terms for areas of Biblical Israel.There is no such thing as the West Bank, as it is the west bank of Jordan. The correct term for these areas are Yehuda and Shomron. This is the Heart Land of the Jewish Homeland were Abraham, Issac and Jacob walked. By the way, the many of American Indians support and identify with Israel.
The UN definition of Palestinian is any non Jewish person. The majority of which are Egyptian and Syrian just like Arafat the PLO leader who recruited them!
Land acknowledgements are pervasive in Australia at all levels!
Wishing you good health and thanks for the informative, professional programs. There are many, many supporters of Israel, unfortunately not at theblevel of Ms Wong but we are here. Greetings from Australia
"All Jews are Settlers" isn't new! As Einat Wilf says, not wanting the Jews to have a state at all goes all the way back to the 1930s, if not even further to the 1880s. "We don't want no two state ... we want 1948". What is new is that many of us who that that "the problem" is 1967 are finally waking up. Let's hope we are numerous and clear and strong enough to push back!
Is simple Europe for European, Africa for African Israel is on the African tectonic plate not the European plate? Home back to the European colony.
Great conversation! Thank you both very much for sharing your insights.
Good to see you back!
Thank you.
Yes, wishing you good health
I would call it karma
Get well soon. Hope you can make a full recovery
The ancestors of the Prime Minister Trudeau of Canada are Spanish that emigrated to Cuba as settlers and plantation owners.
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23:18 the fashionable and strongly-promoted world view of 'settler colonialism' is
'historically inactive and politically useless as it doesn't tell us anything about how to solve these problems'
Thank you so much.
Am Israel Hai!
The second wave of Asian nomads to enter North America pushed out the first wave. Think about that.🤦
Excellent point. I remember that in the 1970s (I think) an excavator working on a river bank in Kennewick, Washington exposed some bones which appeared to be human. Thinking that he might have uncovered a homicide burial site, the equipment operator contacted law enforcement authorities. The mysterious human remains were forensically examined and removed. Anthropologists determined that the bones were prehistoric human. When officials of a local American Indian tribe were notified as required by Federal law for disposition of the remains, the Anthropologists who were in possession of the bones had discovered what they thought was evidence that the skeleton predated the earliest remains previously discovered, all those of the Clovis people who all living American native people trace their North American ancestry to, and upon which they hang their claims of being victims of European colonial displacement. The news that the remains, now circulating in the media as "Kennewick Man", might be from an indigenous civilization previous to the arrival of the Clovis People panicked Native American activists because such a discovery might undermine their claims to victimhood of European colonialism. They demanded that the scientists immediately surrender the remains for disposal by the nearest registered tribe, in accordance with their tribal customs, citing Federal law. The anthropologists refused to comply. Lawsuits and countersuits flew. The bones ended up in a safe in custody of a Federal judge for several years pending the outcome of the litigation. The resolution was anticlimactic because subsequent scientific investigations, carbon dating, etc. concluded that the skeletal remains were indeed Clovis, which ended the controversy without undermining the American Indian victim activists' claims of subjugation by European colonists. But it shows how important, morally, politically, and economically these claims by "indigenous" people's to moral legitimacy are to these groups. I think it proves in most cases that an ethnic group's claim to territory is limited only by its military capability of taking and defending it regardless of the moral issues involved. The Jews may be the interesting exception that proves the rule. They came to unsettled Canaan, Judea, and Sumaria as escaped slaves from Egypt and created their own Jewish pacification of the land by establishing permanent cities and agricultural settlements. Many powerful armies and nations tried to conquer them. In many cases they were able to defend their land, but not in all cases, thus the Diaspora, and eventually after a long interval, return and establishment of the modern Jewish State of Israel. Under constant attack since 1948, they have so far proven capable of defending their sovereignty as a nation state. What the future portends is yet to be known, but I wouldn't bet against them!
If the Jews are settler colonialists in Israel what are the Palestinians ? Not conquest colonialists from Arabia (Hijaz)
Get well soon.
Jews were admitted to the United States in their millions. The people of the Levant did not extend such an invitation, but believed they would be overwhelmed by Jewish immigrants, which is what happened.
Without wishing ill towards Israel, we can admit this.
a little trivial but maybe not:
When did the word 'settlers' stop being pronounced as settle-ers into this new pronunciation that feels derogatory and it's spit out like, 'Set-lers'? Set-ler Colonialism, Set-lers in Israel. I thought it was pronounced settler as in, 'one who settles'? Am I wrong,? Nitpicking?
Words change their pronunciation all the time and it's not done deliberately. It just happens. Don't overthink it
Enyone using God's property without permission is a criminal !
Speaking of the Left, the anti imperialists, the PLO were part of it. The PLO fought Israel for 20 years+ but eventually agreed to accept partition of Palestine into Jewish and Arab states. Israel, however, has dropped the ball, while Palestinians, including Hamas and others, have fought Israel again.
Thank you Jonathan and Adam. One thread of the colonial/settler argument is based on genetic analysis. If I got the gist right, it holds that the DNA of contemporary Arab Palestinians is closer to those who lived in and around Jerusalem two millennia ago than that of contemporary Jewish inhabitants in the same place. Thus, these Jews "came from" someplace else; thus they're settlers. I don't find this persuasive, and I just now bought Adam's book in Kindle format, but I'm curious as to whether Adam confronts the genetic line of argument.
The idea of a Jewish National Homeland was put formally in place in the early 1900s. It was agreed to by Emir-King Feisal I bin Al-Husseini bin Ali Al-Hashemii as shown in the Feisal-Weizmann Agreement. It was signed by both parties on January 3rd, 1919. It included provisions for Jewish immigration, as it was understood that the Jewish People needed a Homeland.
It was also agreed to by the European Powers who, along with the Jews and the Arabs, defeated the German and Ottoman Empires in WWI.
King Feisal was not a British puppet king. He was the most prominent and respected Arab leader at the time, by Arabs as well as other peoples. He was the King of all Arabia and the Hajaz and the Grand Sharif of Mecca. He signed the Feisal-Weizmann Agreement on January 3rd, 1919 with his full name and title showing that he understood and supported the Agreement.
The Jews and the Arabs fought together for their independence in WWI against the harsh and oppressive Ottoman Empire. The understanding was that the Jews would receive a territory sufficient for their religion and their people, and that the Arabs would receive all the other Ottoman territories which are very extensive and about twenty times larger than what was to become the Jewish State of Israel.
This has been fulfilled on the Arab side of the agreement. It has yet to be fulfilled for the Jews.
"A land without a people, for a people without a land."
"A land without a people, for a people without a land." This statement was coined by Anthony Ashley Cooper, the 7th Earl of Shaftesbury, also known by the title; Lord Shaftesbury.
Many travelers, writers, and reporters have stated the same about the land of Israel. The following is a quick but abbreviated list of these reporters:
1697, Thomas Shaw, English traveler - 18th century historian, French Count Constantine Francois Volney - 1816, James Silk Buckingham, English traveler - 1836, British nobleman Alexander William Crawford Lindsay - 1837, British Royal Commission - 1840, Lord Shaftsbury, Anthony Ashley Cooper 7th earl of Shaftesbury - 1852, English Clergyman Henry Burgess Whitaker Churton - 1853, Reverend Arthur G. H. Hollingsworth - 1857, British Council in Palestine - 1857, Herman Melville, author of 'Moby Dick' - 1860, Henry Baker Tristram - 1869, Mark Twain - 1888, Sir John William Dawson - 1888, English Clergyman Reverend Samuel Manning
This being said there has always been a Jewish presence in Israel and in the Middle East, dating back to the times of Moses and to the days of Israel himself.
Most Palestinians who are in Israel now, came during the first half of the 20th century, for better job opportunities and perhaps as interlopers taking over and taking claim and credit for the improvements the Jews were making to Israel. This is reflected in their surnames which are from other and surrounding countries.
One of the most common Palestinian surnames is Al-Masri. In Arabic, Al-Masri literally means "the Egyptian." You'll also see Palestinians named Hourani, from Houran in southern Syria, - Tzurani, from Tyre in southern Lebanon, - Zrakawi, from Mazraka in Jordan, - Hijazi from the Hijaz province of the Arabian peninsula, - Mughrabi, from the Maghreb, - Elmisri, from Egypt, - Chalabi, Syrian, - Mugrabi, North Africa, - Habash, from Ethiopia. Many other names point to the Palestinian's true hereditary and geographical origins.
It was originally intended that the Jewish people would receive all of what is now Israel and the area that is now Jordan as well. The maps of the Mandate for Palestine clearly show this. The British were given documented international legal title to the land of Palestine by the League of Nations who received it from the defeated Ottoman Turks. The Palestinians didn't accept this. In 1922 Winston Churchill put in place the first Two-State-Solution which could be called Israel-Jordan. The Israelis were to receive Israel and the people who are now called Palestinians did receive Jordan. Jordan is two times larger than Israel. Today two-thirds of the population of Jordan are Palestinians.
Again the Muslims would not accept this solution, and riots and fighting broke out.
1933 saw the rise of Nazism and Hitler. World War Two took over much of the world's energy and consciousness between 1939 and 1945. Palestinian Arabs collaborated with the Nazis during this time and helped to promote and instigate the Holocaust. Their leading Supreme Mufti, Amin al-Husseini, as well as other "Palestinian" Muslim leaders met with Hitler and his high-ranking officials several times and helped to recruit Muslims into the Nazi forces. They even promoted the use of concentration camps. The Mufti lived in Germany for most of WWII where he headed up anti-Jewish propaganda. He continued his anti-Israeli propaganda until 1974 when he died. Yasser Arafat is the Mufti's grandson. He has also continued the Mufti's propaganda, war and genocide campaigns.
WWII and the Holocaust ended in 1945.
In 1947 the UN, now in control of the area, put in place the second Two-State-Solution, which gave the people who are now called Palestinians good portions of Israel, while they already had Jordan and while Jerusalem would become an international city.
Israel agreed to this and declared themselves the independent State of Israel.
Again the Arab Muslims wouldn't accept this solution and Israel was attacked by five surrounding Arab nations. This was the Israeli 1948 War of Independence. Israel won this war and gained a bit more territory.
Since 1948 close to a million Jews have been pogromed out of Arab Muslim nations into Israel. Mostly from places and lands where they had lived for centuries and even millennia. Almost all of them having no place to go except Israel.
The first massacre of Jews by Islamists occurred in Madhammad's day and was carried out by Madhammad himself. It was because the Jews would not "submit" to Islam.
This conflict has been going on for a long time.
Since 1920 several Two-State-Solutions and other solutions have been put in place: In 1920 the Israel-Jordan separation plan, in 1937 the Peel Commission, in 1939 the British White Paper, 1947 the UN Partition Plan, 1979 Egypt-Israel peace negotiations offered the Palestinians autonomy. Then there are the Oslo agreements of the 1990s. In 2000, Prime Minister Ehud Barak offered to create a Palestinian state in all of Gaza and 97 percent of the West Bank. In 2008 Prime Minister Ehud Olmert offered to withdraw from almost the entire West Bank and partition Jerusalem on a demographic basis. In addition, from 1948 to 1967, Jordan controlled the West Bank. The Palestinians could have received an independent state from the Jordanians.
Each time Israel agreed to these solutions and the Palestinians did not and started conflicts and war.
It wasn't until the 1960s that the Palestinians as a separate group started calling themselves Palestinians, perhaps trying to claim the land for themselves in that way, or because people didn't know what else to call them or they didn't know what to call themselves. Before that 'Palestinian' meant all peoples living in either Israel or Jordan, whether they were Jewish, Muslim, Christian, or of any other faith or belief system. The word "Palestinian" actually comes from the ancient Jewish word 'plishtim' which means 'invaders'.
In 2005 the Palestinians received an independent state in Gaza. They could have built a beautiful country with all the aid and assistance they received, and sitting on the Mediterranean like they are. Instead, they made a psychotic terrorist network out of the entire country and used it as a launching pad to attack Israel on October 7th, 2023.
There is more information and details concerning all these things. However, this is part of the history of events in Israel from the 1800s up until the present day.
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Thank you for your insight.
Amazing video
Great conversation.
The Oslo Agreements give the only juridical base for a two state solution. In order to reach the solution the process must be fulfilled, and the agreement gives also legitimacy to settlement blocks that are 2% of Judea and Samaria and they provide employment for Palestinians in the upper wage earners in Palestine that sustain the needs of greater numbers of Palestinians in Judea and Samaria.
Jews has history in israel about the palestinians did they have? Who were ther patriarch in that place?
Land acknowledgements go hand in hand with pronoun anouncements.
That's right.
because islam ignores facts that aren't convenient... like that israel is just judea, the ancient homeland of the twelve tribes on israel.
great guest!
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Arab and Jewish interactions have been a problem in the Middle East at least since the 1920's.
I often think about "just who are the Palestinians ?"
We know the Jews in the area, we know who they are as there are records of land transfers, birth records, travel documentation as Jews left there homes and migrated to the Middle East.
We DON"T have that information about the "Palestinians" at the end of WW1 the Ottoman Empire dissolved and as a result there was real uncertainty about who "belonged". Yasser Arafat was Egyptian by birth and grew up in Egypt, how was he a Palestinian and someone born and bred in Israel not legitamate.
There were, of course, native inhabitants of the area, primarily Arab, bedouins, and Jews.but in the 1930's the Jews came in ( legally mostly I think ) but many many others we cannot identify, Ottomans, Egyptions, Arabs.
Do they qualify as native inhabitants ? Palestinians ?
Further muddying the argument we have WW2, at the end of which, many MILLIONS of people were displaced by war and nation building/destruction ( think of India/Pakistan) , into this maelstrom came the creation of Israel in 1948, after many many years of violence on the part of the other newly created Arab Nations in the region.
Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia and other Nations were created out of whole cloth, and immediately declared the illigitimacy of Israel, when their own autocracies were in fact the same.
This problem will not end in my lifetime.
Despite arguments with history or dna which might be difficult for people to understand and agree that the Jews are natives of that land ,now Israel. Archaeology never lies so Temple Mount is the foundation of King Solomon Temple was built by Jews centuries ago in Jerusalem, then after destruction of King Solomon Temple by Romans , 600 plus years later ,Dome of Rock was built by the Muslim on top of Jewish holy site.
Native Americans and South African blacks have equal rights to those who they call the oppressor in Syd country. Palestinians do not have equal rights to Israeli. This is the problem.
I think you are over analysing a theology which was simply invented to cause trouble in the first place. I also think we overly fixate on both the far left and the islamists. It's obvious to me that very powerful people within the western oligarchi have also been deeply involved with purposefully allowing these ideologies to spread completely unchecked for decades. I also suspect they have allowed it just out of laziness or corruption they obviously seem to think it's also beneficial to them.
I suggest the book by Ibn Warraq: Why the West is Best.
You are looking thinner .. I hope you are on the way to full recovery! #AmYisroelChai
Squatter is a more fitting term
Even if it was true, any other country in the middle east would be lucky to be colonized by Israel.
Thank you for your thought provoking podcast. I am Hispanic, according to my DNA, I have Jewish, Muslim, Amerindian. My ancestors were given an offer from the Queen of Spain that they could not refuse, Catholicism. I am glad they converted to join the great Spanish family. No regrets.
You can't have muslim dna 😂😂
Muslim dna 😂😂
Turtle Island is NOT a made-up name. It is the name for the continent now known as North and South Americas
You can't be a colonialist in your own land
8:19 because we listen to your rhetoric and watch your actions as an abusive husband looks on his bruised daughter in laws face; we know what you're doing because you learned it from us
Has Tobin lost weight ? Or I am hallucinating .
Jews have always been in varying number in Palestine depending on.political and economic opportunities . They were also scattered in middle east north Africa and central Asia Iran Yemen and part of Arabian peninsula .But along with other races throughout history . Current Jewish population is mixture of north African middle eastern central asian etc along with hereditary European Jews . But not all European Jews are hereditary some are convert and right of return is fiction . A point raised validly by PLA president .
Can all indians settle in India and all Buddhists in Nepal or all white races in Europe , this is impossible for others and for Jews too in the past and even now .
I really don’t think “woke” ideology has much to do with this phenomenon. Or perhaps, more precisely, the phrase “woke” is used almost as a dismissive slur. Acknowledging native lands is an important reminder and acknowledgment. I would love it if there could be a discussion of this topic without dismissing and flippantly deriding efforts to acknowledge the experiences of indigenous peoples, whether here or in Australia or elsewhere. And Jonathan, you mock CRT and DEI (sounding much like Ron DeSantis, Donald Trump, et al) but you obviously don’t understand what it is. If your goal is to bridge gaps and educate people who see things differently, I’m afraid your smug, derisive attitude will undermine those efforts. I would have liked to share this discussion with people I’d like to educate and prompt to think more deeply, but I won’t because I’m afraid many of your comments and attitude will be an automatic turn-off. On the other hand, your guest is very thoughtful and serious and has a more open, objective approach.
Shana tovah!
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