Man you talking about how this battle is a piece of cake hurts me feelings as someone who still can't clear it. Then again ZUN did say it will be the easiest touhou to-date. This extra stage is actually the perfect difficulty for me. I usually can't clear extra stages because they are too hard, but with this one, it actually feels like I have a chance. In all honesty, I always felt like the Extra stage should be a bit more accessable - and that happening makes me happy. I don't view it being easy for masters like you as a negative.
Since this extra is much more important to the story than usual, I honestly think it makes sense for it to be more accessible. That doesn’t make it any less cool! Though, an easy fix for Reimu would be to just make her shot not target enemies from behind for this particular game.
I'm pretty sure it's because during a Spell Card she's coded so when you use a bomb or release she turns invulnerable and then vulnerable again, but he forgot to make her survival an exception, so when you do one of those she technically turns invulnerable, since she already was it makes no difference, but then she turns vulnerable, because that's what is supposed to happen in the Spells
having a homing shot definitely trivializes anything with a super-mobile boss. Also weird that zun forces you to use this backwards shot mechanic but then doesn't notice a lot of cards can be trivialized by abusing it (like the midbosses). Seems like this would be fun to pacifist though, forcing you to constantly be mobile throughout is different enough to make a pacifist run more exciting. Nobody does those runs anymore, bring them back!
Honestly it's very fitting. In the story the heroines use a gap between seasons in order to defeat Okina. So your seasonal abilities are supposed to be THE reason that you win. No wonder it's overpowered.
I've only beaten the extra stage with Reimu and yeah it definitely feels busted lol. Some day I'll have to beat it with the others. I can imagine the patterns in HSoFS extra that rely on you killing the enemies that spawn would be absolute hell to pacifist. But certainly some of them look like they'd be fun. I've tried pacifist for SA extra and I've only been able to make it as far as the third non-spell before Release of the Id, and only if I let myself bomb because I'm not a god gamer. It's so fucking hard trying to maintain the same dodge movements for at least a minute on each pattern, but otherwise it was pretty interesting to try.
@@rasmusmalmberg6468 And I want to point out that you get this ability specifically from Yukari, fellow sage and incredibly intelligent schemer. It only makes sense that Yukari would make a contingency plan should Matara have done something, which makes me think that Yukari also has something to counter Kasen. It's also funny that we came right off of a game where Yukari was, once again, the critical point that allowed Reimu to beat Shion and Joon Yorigami. Pretty much the only scheme of hers that failed was their doings with the Moon, but that was rendered moot when Junko hatched her own scheme and invaded herself.
Seems like boss had a great potential to be possibly best extra boss ever... but then got seriously nerfed. I mean she had a lot of cool attacks and concepts but half or her non spell and couple spells including survival card is literally what you would see on normal or easier.
too difficult: *complain* too easy: *complain even more* yes i know it's weirdly easy but ZUN confirmed that he wants this game to be "light and fun to play". i think to the majority of (noob) players are rescued by the "C bomb" and can actually finish the extra stage, which is pretty refreshing
The Survival spell really surprised me when I first saw it... Its like... literally the exact same thing for the entire duration, just speeds up over time? Sorry, but honestly, when you compare it to most other Survivals, it just looks wrong. I mean even for the standards of this Extra difficulty, that was *way* too easy. The only danger is getting pointblanked, but I assume thats a quick fix with memo.
this is the weirdest touhou game to date, i still remmeber when everybody was saying 13 was the eastiest, but 16 goes the extra mile making everythim relatively easy with occassional jumps of difficulty. At least with 13 there was health issues, honestly I wonder why the game suddenly became as such. Though i shouldn't complain but even as a normal player it's weirdly easy
I know this is an older video but this helped me quite a bit. I'm also glad you said "The speedkill on the second spell is a tiny bit luck-based" because, I would say, about 15% of the time it feels like it wants me dead.
The only thing I don't like about the extra is the lack of uniqueness in the spell cards. You could probably put half of those attacks on Hecatia and it wouldn't make a difference... But this is also my favourite theme from the game Nonspells are fine
That's debatable, apparently lore wise if Okina did the same trick of taking away your shot types, the spell would backfire and end up either severely hurting Okina for real or actually one-shoting her, like actually dying since it's outside spell card rules(if the dialogue is to be taken literally), so maybe it's intentional. Oh and if you're wondering why it didn't happen, the MC actually tells her that they're using a fifth season, since they just want a fair match with her instead of killing her.
It probably isn't intentional though. Notice how in the normal spells Okina's lifebar disappears during the duration of your release and reappears when it stops. I believe ZUN just forgot to remove that mechanic during survival cards.
Pretty sure it's not intended since she's usually faded out in the survival, but releasing makes her pop back in. Probably ZUN forgot to disable the release/bomb check on the survival spell.
i've got nothing to do so i want to make a summary about this stage. it is by far the easiest extra stage -you get shit tons of resources in this stage (if you know how to abuse releases which leads into spellcard capture = more points) -reimu is OP with the release however, it's also boring at the same time. all her nonspells are just..........the same. but with different colours.
My first time getting to the survival spell, I only saw the beginning of it because of the glitch where she becomes vulnerable if you bomb/release, but with the way the laser was moving I thought the rest of the spell had to be really cool. It wasn't.
Is it me or is this extra stage easier than other extra stages ? I just finished Legacy in Lunatic Kingdom in normal (haven't beat the extra stage yet) and yet I find this stage easier than Clownpiece's stage lmao
Honestly I think it's designed that way, unlike other extra stages which tend to be bosses in some way related to the story, this is a direct continuation from stage 6. It could even be called stage 7.
I didn't like this game actually, found it was more difficult than previous games to differentiate bullets and targets. Goes through points of inconsistent difficulty... Very hard then very easy... That said you did awesome
Ya Touhou no es como antes,antes eran más bonitas las niñas,grandes canciones o soundtrack pero a partir de Touhou 14 todo cambió a unos últimos Touhous muy chafas pero difíciles con música terriblemente aburrida y los niveles chafas
Wut, yo siento que el 14 y 15 tienen un buen OST, el 16 los temas de la primera mitad del juego son por lo general regulares mientras los de la otra mitad generalmente están a la altura de los anteriores, aunque eso sí, siento que el 16 no impactó mucho en comparación con los anteriores, además de que ZUN le puso a ese OST el toque que tenía Ten Desires, al cual muchos no les agradó la banda sonora de ese juego y fue bastante infame en su salida, de forma similar que con el 10, aunque este último técnicamente es un desastre aunque tenga uno de los mejores OSTs de la serie, a la altura del 7 y 8 digo yo, y el aspecto visual más colorido, que aparentemente ZUN quiso replicar con el 14 pero no le salió muy bien. A partir del Touhou 14.3 ZUN empezó a cambiar a un estilo musical más "digitalizado" por así decirlo.
Vaya estupidez lo que dijiste, si hay juegos con buenas musicas aun, el 18 tiene bastantes que son buenas, y hasta hay jefes creativos Me gustan mas los modernos que los antiguos honestamente
I HAVE to conclude that ZUN forgot to add extra phases at the survival.
Too bad, she might be flashier when he completed that somehow
That's the only logical conclusion here.... No additional phases for the survival spell? You barely have to move.... There's so much space.
Also you Can cheese it with release
I like how Okina show Reimu which door to go back to the shrine lol
I think the real difficulty of that survival spell is not losing focus from laughing at it...
Man you talking about how this battle is a piece of cake hurts me feelings as someone who still can't clear it. Then again ZUN did say it will be the easiest touhou to-date.
This extra stage is actually the perfect difficulty for me. I usually can't clear extra stages because they are too hard, but with this one, it actually feels like I have a chance.
In all honesty, I always felt like the Extra stage should be a bit more accessable - and that happening makes me happy. I don't view it being easy for masters like you as a negative.
DieAhatSchnecke I wish this game came out earlier, so that this would've been the first extra I cleared. Instead, I had Flandre. Yay
if you wanted a harder mode of this stage, do not use reimu.
Me too. I actually unlocked almost all ex.stages (exept for TH11 and TH12) and I was able to complete only this one. 😋
@@kyactus2046 Saki was my first extra, but for some reason I find Flandre really annoying.
You just have to bomb your way through
Since this extra is much more important to the story than usual, I honestly think it makes sense for it to be more accessible. That doesn’t make it any less cool!
Though, an easy fix for Reimu would be to just make her shot not target enemies from behind for this particular game.
Also if you use a release or bomb during the survival, for some reason Okina will grow a HP bar, and you can end the spell by shooting her down.
Would nullify Jaimers' No Bomb or No Release part of the run though.
That was more about spreading information, but yea it would as well.
See PearlescentX 1B extra, this basically confirms it
I'm pretty sure it's because during a Spell Card she's coded so when you use a bomb or release she turns invulnerable and then vulnerable again, but he forgot to make her survival an exception, so when you do one of those she technically turns invulnerable, since she already was it makes no difference, but then she turns vulnerable, because that's what is supposed to happen in the Spells
having a homing shot definitely trivializes anything with a super-mobile boss. Also weird that zun forces you to use this backwards shot mechanic but then doesn't notice a lot of cards can be trivialized by abusing it (like the midbosses). Seems like this would be fun to pacifist though, forcing you to constantly be mobile throughout is different enough to make a pacifist run more exciting. Nobody does those runs anymore, bring them back!
Honestly it's very fitting. In the story the heroines use a gap between seasons in order to defeat Okina. So your seasonal abilities are supposed to be THE reason that you win. No wonder it's overpowered.
I've only beaten the extra stage with Reimu and yeah it definitely feels busted lol. Some day I'll have to beat it with the others.
I can imagine the patterns in HSoFS extra that rely on you killing the enemies that spawn would be absolute hell to pacifist. But certainly some of them look like they'd be fun.
I've tried pacifist for SA extra and I've only been able to make it as far as the third non-spell before Release of the Id, and only if I let myself bomb because I'm not a god gamer. It's so fucking hard trying to maintain the same dodge movements for at least a minute on each pattern, but otherwise it was pretty interesting to try.
@@rasmusmalmberg6468 And I want to point out that you get this ability specifically from Yukari, fellow sage and incredibly intelligent schemer. It only makes sense that Yukari would make a contingency plan should Matara have done something, which makes me think that Yukari also has something to counter Kasen. It's also funny that we came right off of a game where Yukari was, once again, the critical point that allowed Reimu to beat Shion and Joon Yorigami.
Pretty much the only scheme of hers that failed was their doings with the Moon, but that was rendered moot when Junko hatched her own scheme and invaded herself.
That survival spell looks pretty 'meh' compared to previous Extra boss Survivals.
@redfong exactly
Mokou's survival is the best
@@meenachandran4923 I prefer Yukari
@@hello-rv1ci poor Ran (I don't exist)
Koishi's survival spell is the best imo.
"Thats going to be fun for scorerunners I assume"
its not, fucker keeps running into me
I look forward to seeing some of your runs for the game
kek
lmao
Reimu is ez modo for this stage, I had a tough time using Aya and Cirno here xD
Gengetsu Aya honestlt freaking sucks because the fact it's the same speed as StB/DS speed, i always accidently go to bullets instead (imho)
Seems like boss had a great potential to be possibly best extra boss ever... but then got seriously nerfed.
I mean she had a lot of cool attacks and concepts but half or her non spell and couple spells including survival card is literally what you would see on normal or easier.
Goes back for a rematch with Okina only to curb stomp her with full lives at the end.
too difficult: *complain*
too easy: *complain even more*
yes i know it's weirdly easy but ZUN confirmed that he wants this game to be "light and fun to play". i think to the majority of (noob) players are rescued by the "C bomb" and can actually finish the extra stage, which is pretty refreshing
PCB in my opinion the most balance Touhou game so far. not too difficult or too easy either.
The Survival spell really surprised me when I first saw it...
Its like... literally the exact same thing for the entire duration, just speeds up over time?
Sorry, but honestly, when you compare it to most other Survivals, it just looks wrong. I mean even for the standards of this Extra difficulty, that was *way* too easy. The only danger is getting pointblanked, but I assume thats a quick fix with memo.
I guess her plan backfired :^)
The game went from extremely difficult to somewhat easy.
Neta que Touhou más chafa
Realy Touhou Is the game Easy
Easy?
EASY?
THE UNDERTALE SANS FIGHT IS EASIER THAN THE BASIC STAGE!
@@amogus2056 true that
@@hectorcortes9619 Try touhou 15 then :/
'Here, I'll show you how to beat EX Okina Matara, take a seat." *sits down* "Okay how do I beat her?" "I just told you..."
8:34 This spellcard is the easiest part of it.
everyone on this comment section: *complains about the extra stage being easy*
okina: stop or i will enter inside all of your backdoors!
I'm willing to bet 50 bucks I can capture that survival in 3 tries at most
this is the weirdest touhou game to date, i still remmeber when everybody was saying 13 was the eastiest, but 16 goes the extra mile making everythim relatively easy with occassional jumps of difficulty. At least with 13 there was health issues, honestly I wonder why the game suddenly became as such. Though i shouldn't complain but even as a normal player it's weirdly easy
This game has a huge spike in difficulty between Normal and Hard, by the way.
Zun clearly overcompensated for LoLK
he did say it'll be the easiest touhou.
After the bitch and a half that was LoLK I'll take another easy Touhou any day.
Stage 5 and 6 have some nasty skill jumps.
Man, these danmaku patterns are soo beautiful...
I guess thats what made Touhou stand out from all the other series after all
okina's spellcards are a joke........ keine's spellcards are even harder in hard mode
Specially the survival one
I know this is an older video but this helped me quite a bit. I'm also glad you said "The speedkill on the second spell is a tiny bit luck-based" because, I would say, about 15% of the time it feels like it wants me dead.
I just noticed satono's clothes are inverted color/colour of mai's clothes
I swear to god, the melodica in Okina's theme slaps
7:24
Junko just casually calls for DFK Hibachi opener pattern
*Evil*
Nice Final
Reimu is just too OP
She's a shine maiden after all
5:04 Ice Sign "Icicle Fall" Easy
That spell before the survival kind of reminded me of Thunder Force 4, Reimu really letting out her inner Rynex with that back shot and Hunter.
The only thing I don't like about the extra is the lack of uniqueness in the spell cards. You could probably put half of those attacks on Hecatia and it wouldn't make a difference... But this is also my favourite theme from the game
Nonspells are fine
I never knew Reimu could shoot the bullets backwards too
Imagine being able to clear HSiFS
You don't actually have to timeout the survival. Upon releasing, Okina gains a hitbox and a healthbar. I have no idea if this is intentional or not.
That's debatable, apparently lore wise if Okina did the same trick of taking away your shot types, the spell would backfire and end up either severely hurting Okina for real or actually one-shoting her, like actually dying since it's outside spell card rules(if the dialogue is to be taken literally), so maybe it's intentional. Oh and if you're wondering why it didn't happen, the MC actually tells her that they're using a fifth season, since they just want a fair match with her instead of killing her.
It probably isn't intentional though. Notice how in the normal spells Okina's lifebar disappears during the duration of your release and reappears when it stops. I believe ZUN just forgot to remove that mechanic during survival cards.
Pretty sure it's not intended since she's usually faded out in the survival, but releasing makes her pop back in. Probably ZUN forgot to disable the release/bomb check on the survival spell.
That's what I was saying, just worded a lot better.
Be that as it may, it would nullify Jaimers' NR part of the run.
Amazing gameplay. Not even replayed~
i've got nothing to do so i want to make a summary about this stage.
it is by far the easiest extra stage
-you get shit tons of resources in this stage (if you know how to abuse releases which leads into spellcard capture = more points)
-reimu is OP with the release
however, it's also boring at the same time. all her nonspells are just..........the same. but with different colours.
My first time getting to the survival spell, I only saw the beginning of it because of the glitch where she becomes vulnerable if you bomb/release, but with the way the laser was moving I thought the rest of the spell had to be really cool.
It wasn't.
Mai and Satono's extra spells are much easier than their Stage 5 spells, I think that says something
Well played
i can still hear the voices at 8:55
Bruhh same
Wtf this looks way easier than every other extra boss. Not to mention more exploitable. Not very memorable imo
OhHoNo Try doing it without the exploits, it makes things VASTLY more challenging and fun. I can agree that it's pretty easy for an extra boss though.
Why is Okina holding the picture frame ?
Try with Cirno. IS A FUCKING NIGHTMARE
I beat it with Cirno. it's not THAT hard.
no miss, no bomb, no release????
because the extra is very simple with release and bombs
That's not humanly possible with SOME Characters. i Beat it WITHOUT releases but with Bombs.
Robot Sturm And I beat it without bombs, but with releases.
Died like a noob, anyway.
Man I don't see anybody playing this with Aya though? That tells me something..
Is it me or is this extra stage easier than other extra stages ? I just finished Legacy in Lunatic Kingdom in normal (haven't beat the extra stage yet) and yet I find this stage easier than Clownpiece's stage lmao
Honestly I think it's designed that way, unlike other extra stages which tend to be bosses in some way related to the story, this is a direct continuation from stage 6. It could even be called stage 7.
I tried this stage using marisa. It's not easy definitely (i die too often) and most of the time i run out of time defeating her on some spellcard
Im still dont understand about people who can clear extra stage without using bomb, for me lunatic is already hard af
Touhou 16
Where headbutting is easier than before
Highscore 171 632 640
Why is Okina still SIMPLE on Extra? Is she really that "strong"? Or she be "Flexin'"?
I wonder why people complain about it being "easy"
Let other people who are no as skilled as you are also have a chance to beat at least 1 extra.
As someone that has trouble 1ccing Normal, even I could no-miss tht survival spell wtf
This boss is a joke
Reimu Hakurei =Lyrica Prismriver
ISC - Reimu Version
thought everyone is just assuming but damn that survival spellcard seems really unfinished
I can't understand
English patch exists if you are referring to the story dialogue. If you're referring to the gameplay, then he's a pro after practicing a lot.
👍
Are you jesus christ?
虽然这一作EX难度好像不高，但是面对NNN的dalao我还是想说：太触啦~\(≧▽≦)/~
I didn't like this game actually, found it was more difficult than previous games to differentiate bullets and targets. Goes through points of inconsistent difficulty... Very hard then very easy... That said you did awesome
To be honest, TH16 has the arguably easiest extra stage.
This is my opinion, so please don't be so mean (and I think I meant the boss).
Easiest:
16
14
6
Hardest:
13
15
12
10 and 14 are among the easiest if you allow using Marisa B. :p
@@Erik_Emer 12 has hard ec stage but easy ex boss
...never thought about taking a look at this extra stage
Holy shit what a disappointment.
A really huge disappointment. Comparing it to Yukari's.
Ya Touhou no es como antes,antes eran más bonitas las niñas,grandes canciones o soundtrack pero a partir de Touhou 14 todo cambió a unos últimos Touhous muy chafas pero difíciles con música terriblemente aburrida y los niveles chafas
Wut, yo siento que el 14 y 15 tienen un buen OST, el 16 los temas de la primera mitad del juego son por lo general regulares mientras los de la otra mitad generalmente están a la altura de los anteriores, aunque eso sí, siento que el 16 no impactó mucho en comparación con los anteriores, además de que ZUN le puso a ese OST el toque que tenía Ten Desires, al cual muchos no les agradó la banda sonora de ese juego y fue bastante infame en su salida, de forma similar que con el 10, aunque este último técnicamente es un desastre aunque tenga uno de los mejores OSTs de la serie, a la altura del 7 y 8 digo yo, y el aspecto visual más colorido, que aparentemente ZUN quiso replicar con el 14 pero no le salió muy bien.
A partir del Touhou 14.3 ZUN empezó a cambiar a un estilo musical más "digitalizado" por así decirlo.
Argumento extremadamente subjetivo.
Vaya estupidez lo que dijiste, si hay juegos con buenas musicas aun, el 18 tiene bastantes que son buenas, y hasta hay jefes creativos
Me gustan mas los modernos que los antiguos honestamente
okina matara, uchiha madara Only I found this?
"Madara" Okina
This actually surprised me