Pilot pissed off the controller. Runway incursion. REAL ATC
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2022
- 9 MAY 2022
A Cirrus SR-22, registration N57DB, performing flight from Norwood Memorial Airport (KOWD) to Hickory Regional Airport (KHKY).
Being on apron pilot had troubles with receiving clearance and after that the airplane deviated from ATC instructions made a runway incursion.
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Legend has it that this pilot is still trying to copy the clearance correctly.
No he is still on a 120 heading at 2ooo looking for fbo for fuel..
I was a little surprised that he didn't argue with the controller that his downloaded flight plan must be the right one.
@@stevenjones618 He's stuck on CLOROX, no BOTOX, no BOSOX now he has me doing it
LOL! This would be a great running gag in a comedy movie about general aviation. Just every 10-20 minutes go back to 30 seconds of this guy "...okay NORWOOD THREE DEPARTURE..."
😂😂😂😂😂
I can't believe they let this guy take off at all.
Truth.... ATC: I need you to u-turn at runway 10 and go back on taxi A to Norwood and make another RIGHT at Charlie and go head and shut the aircraft down.
Once shut down I'll have a number for you to copy.
I think they were probably glad to get rid of him and make him someone else's problem. All joking aside, I would have serious concerns over a pilot demonstrating an apparent lack of ability.
FAA regulations really lacks in situation like this. What should be obligatory is for tower to announce: “Attention all traffic! Mayday, mayday mayday! N57DB is in the air. Everybody run wherever you can. This is NOT an exercise!!!”
@@robertkoowalski1014 🤣🤣🤣
@Robert Koowalski -- Same warning should apply on the ground with mentally inept drivers.
2:20..."I don't know if you need a full read back"???? Are you freaking kidding me??? This guy should NOT be in an airplane, period.
Yeah, that's was amazing.
To be fair he could of said copy all squaking I forget the squad they gave but that
This guy wasted MORE time (ATC's and his own) by trying to SAVE time by not reading back. 🤦♂️🤬🤯
Just give a read back. I find it annoying that people have issues relaying information over the radio. It should really be a standard thing everyone learns in school.
There has never been a situation where a full read was more appropriate
Wow, 9 minutes to get a clearance followed by a runway incursion. That controller deserves a drink after that shift.
Don’t forget he made another wrong turn after that. Yikes!!!!
I would have reported him if that was me in tower. Sounded like the dude was on meds that mess with his comprehension abilities. Automatic cause for grounding him or denying takeoff.
That controller deserves a drink after that CONTACT!! :)
@@brianwhitley1053 Where's Kennedy Steve when you need him?
@@3rdandlong Somehow I don't think this would have gone on quite this long with him on the near end. 😄
In this situation, this pilot should just write it all down, walk back to the briefing room, have a coffee, sort his route out, get his charts, brief the SID, brief the expected taxi route, take a breath, then head back out to his plane and start again.
That would have been the smart thing instead of figuring it out in route.
He can do that but would still cause a runway incursion trying to take off. I suggest he just take an uber to wherever he needs to go.
Probably best to hire a competent CFI to revisit his life's goals after this one 😆
@sam04019491 I agree with everything up to the point of briefing something that is “expected”. Unless you know exactly what you’re getting/doing, don’t brief it. In my opinion it can easily lead to doing something you aren’t cleared for, confirmation bias and confusion.
Small correction: " this pilot should just write it all down, walk back to the briefing room, have a coffee, sort his route out, get his charts, brief the SID, brief the expected taxi route, take a breath, and find someone else to fly the plane."
As someone with a little over 40 hours now, and a student, I have mixed feelings after this. 1.) My mistakes don't feel so bad now, 2.) people like this are flying around me at any moment.
Yeah but you’re a student, you’re expected to make mistakes. This guy is in an SR22 on a long IFR plan through multiple crowded airways and he can’t follow simple directions. He should be able to follow simple runway and taxiway directions. Something is funky with this guy.
This is why I eventually hope to own a kerosene burner someday, so I can cruise up in the flight levels away from most, but unfortunately not all, of the fools like this.
@@ParadigmUnkn0wn a kerosene burner, that’s a new one for me!
That and a lot worse Taylor.
Spot on! As a student myself, I stopped looking up to pilots in general and instead pay attention to the right people. I’ve had my fill of watching all kinds of mistakes in less than 50 hours in the NY area.
I watched a pilot try to land on a closed runway with a giant lit up X and construction vehicles on it. Even after a couple people said the airport was closed.
I had another aircraft in the pattern at my home airport interfere with a neighboring airport’s pattern (two separate occasions).
And on my first solo I had another aircraft cut me off on final at a towered airport putting them only within a few hundred feet in front if me.
There’s more things but these are the ones that alert me to how you can only trust yourself. Just like when you drive on the road.
We can't really say that ALL of his decision making was flawed. In fact, paying extra for a plane with a parachute was downright brilliant.
He keeps this up he'll need it more sooner then later!
That guy has no business flying IFR. Period.
Agreed 100%
Agreed. Probably has no business flying VFR either.
@@hokiepilot4286 Of all planes, a cirrus is pretty quick compared to a lot of other lower performance planes. It’s easy to get behind the aircraft.
@@VictoryAviation he's behind the aircraft while it's standing still.
@@jonesjones7057 Truth
There is no amount of money that would sufficiently entice me to be this guy's passenger.
I don't like the fact that he might be flying over me.
I will say this though... the controller left out Norwich on her second readout. So at least that one wasn't on him during the second readback.
The sad part is that most pax won't question his qualifications, or really have any way of checking even if they are curious. They'll just be excited to go on an airplane ride.
Yes, you'd say "my plane" after the first runway excursion and fly the route to show him how it's done!
@@QFWP Lol I was gonna say, It'd be okay as long as you were prepared to take over
I'm just glad he made the wise choice and got a plane with a parachute.
He'd hit the ground before he finished following the directions to pull the parachute handle!
@@mikeperry2814 😂😂😂
Letting this guy take off is like getting married to fix your relationship problems.
if i was the controller i'd just want him gone from my airport
I’m triggered
Lol
This guy has an license? So many fundamental mistakes.
My thoughts exactly, sounds a little incapable. He should have called it a day when he couldn't get his clearance straight. It's no wonder there's so many RUclips videos plowing in somewhere.
Fairly standard Cirrus pilot.
@@Eric-oj5sj Yeah, I think this pilot is a fair representative of his cohort and why Cirrus got an early and undeserved reputation for crashing :|
This controller sounds so done by the time he gets to runway 10 lol
@@bcmfin He sounded pretty unsure and confused. Time to spend some ground time with a CFII and then a couple of flights as well. Better refreshed than dead.
As a flight instructor I will be showing this to my students as what not to do, never be this guy. Scary to think he’s flying around among us. How in the world did he not even get a phone number just blows my mind
I was wondering why he didn't get a phone number. And if he even has a current medical.
You think he could actually use a phone?
"I don't know if you need a full read back or not."
Dude, always read back ATCs instructions.
I think I’ve memorized that routing after so many repeats.
He’s not writing anything down. He’s trying to program his G1000 in real time as the controller reads it out! Holy shit, I can’t imagine doing that. Tying up the freq all morning like it’s nothing.
not even. he’s already got it in, and is just looking to see if it’s correct. he couldn’t even identify that it wasn’t.
I'd try to figure out a way to record the clearance (as sound) and then play back to me as many times as I need for me to punch it to the G1000.
My hand writing isn't something I'm glad of...
@@brunoais that’s not practical. You learn shorthand for clearances and it gets easy to copy them with practice.
@@mattym8 Yes. After some practice, I'd do that. For now, I'd use a recording I can pause, play and go back as much as I need :)
I can try using the shorthands on paper too to learn the process in the meantime too.
@@brunoais You can't sit there for ages replaying it to yourself while the controller is waiting for the readback.
He’s not copying it down, he’s trying to punch it into the box in real time. That is NOT how it works. Write it down. Heck many pilots record their clearance or even get it via email from Foreflight. This pilot may be “current” in the strict legal sense but he is very far from proficient in all respects. He needs massive retraining.
Yeah it really does sound like he's fumbling around with a computer.
You can get a clearance via email?
@@Hondaridr58 For general aviation, pilots nowadays usually get a pre-route from ForeFlight,if they use it, and usually get an update from ForeFlight if the route changes from what they originally filed for. For the airlines, we still operate somewhat old school. We have a paper document with our filed route and if the airport does not have digital ATIS we call clearance or ground for our clearance, normally abbreviated to as filed. If an airport has digital ATIS we can use the ACARS computer to receive a digital clearance. (Usually larger airports like in Chicago or at cargo hubs)
@@erich2312 Ah. Its not a clearance, it's more of a "here's what you can expect you clearance to look like". I took the OP's comment as him saying there was a way to actually to receive your clearance electronically via email from foreflight, like you would with ACARS.
@@Hondaridr58 No the actual clearance only comes from ATC but you can have the route already in the box and written down so that all you gotta do is note any last second changes.
Guess who's getting a kneeboard and a pen for his birthday.... lol
😂😂
I'd like to be the first to wish the pilot of N57DB happy 83rd birthday.🎂
I kept waiting for the the pilot to say “Forget it, I’ll just drive.”
I'm a CFII and listing to this dude read back the clearance was incredibly frustrating. Not to mention the runway incursion. This dude needs an IPC or a 709 ride.
Or needs to hand in his IFR rating and fly VFR.
Needs to be suspended until he can pass a checkride. This guy is either incredibly rusty, on drugs or has lost serious mental capacity to the point where he is totally unfit to fly.
This guy his going to death spiral in IMC then drop onto a house and kill an entire family some day.
709 Ride for his safety and others
For real!! Does not sound like he ever had an instrument rating! Also, that controller did the most amazing job on a slow and clear annunciation of the clearance. I've never had a clearance read so slow and nice. Looking at the FAA registration data, plane was registered in April, so new plane to pilot too. I'm betting this is a brand new pilot in a brand new Cirrus. Very safe.
This was so painful to listen to. 🤦
This is the guy ahead of you in the checkout who takes 2 minutes to find his chequebook, then another 5 minutes to write it out, then realises that he forgot an item at the other end of the store.
Perfect.
Legend has it he's still circling South Boston to this day trying to figure out his waypoints.
Until he runs out of fuel
You just know he's never gonna find Hickory.
Maybe not, but he's still trying.
For safety reason, as ATC, I would have canceled his flight plan and denied this pilot of taxiing. How in the world did this guy get his Instrument Ticket?
Can you imagine if he had to fly an approach
@@johng4954 It's pretty apparent that the autopilot does all the work for him.
Lol I’m surprised that if he’s so rusty on this shit, that he would’ve even been able to pass an IPC
@@dafox0427 even just using the autopilot with a g1000 requires way more competence than this.
If you did actually work in ATC you would know that you don't have the authority to do that.
He got his instrument license at a trucking school in Ypsilanti, Michigan class of 1946. This is after 75 years of experience. A huge improvement. The clearance he got in '46 on his check ride lasted two and a half days. He ran out of gas at the FBO 14 times.
Nope, ATP flight academy! And to think the same students are the future airline pilots. Scary sheet isn’t it?
@@avfan967 Laughing out Loud AVFAN! Yes, I've known quite a few myself over the past 55 years. Scary indeed. Great & very truthful comment. Watch: Bush Pilot Sudan. You'll like it, relates to people like this at times. Funny too! Mine.
@@billcallahan9303 I’ll check it out. PS Have you listen to the Mitsubishi pilot that went into Henderson last week?
@@avfan967 i found it. Thanks!
Very funny Bill Callahan
The best part is in the beginning he's doing all this over the tower freq 😂
I'm not a pilot but this has me flashing back to years I spent a job doing tech support. The customers who would refuse to follow my step-by-step instructions because they're smarter than I am, yet claim to be following my instructions ("oh yeah I did that"), and still nothing was working for them. Then after endless struggle to get an honest answer out of them I'd discover that their computer wasn't plugged in or whatever because they'd skipped Step 1.
Like any tech support personnel fighting w/folks who don’t realize the computer needs to be plugged in, this guy should have been directed to carefully remove the plane key, step out of the plane, and get mechanics to box up the plane for return…
so you're the guy that says "have you tried restarting the modem?" yet it never solves the problem
@@user-ik4br3nk2wI had concerned feelings at your "Working\Processing" swirls :D too many connection issues .
It really sounds like instead of just writing it down he's putting it into his navigation system and editing.
Yeah, that's what I was think. He was trying to input it into his flight computer instead of just writing it down verbatim, giving the correct read back, then inputting the route to his flight computer.
Even airline pilots have a piece of paper attached to the yoke to write stuff down on.
@@Zorthal Yeah, but you know pencil and paper is not cool anymore these days. Everything is iPads now.
@@Mash4096 he sounds like he's from pencil and paper era. He should be used to it
Thank goodness this ATC kept requiring full readback. I feel like she did everything she could to help him. I'm curious why no pilot deviation?
My guess is no traffic conflict and the controller was being generous. I feel bad for the guy. Hopefully he contacted a CFI or someone he knows to get some one on one time and go over instrument procedures.
We were all new at one point. I have messed up my share of things in the cockpit. Learned from each one of them.
I'm sure there was a report but the minimal traffic made it easy to recognize and file.
Deep down she probably just felt bad for him...
@@wgeffon Except he certainly didn’t sound “new”, a least not age-wise. It’s possible he was new to flying, but only if he took it up as a retirement hobby. That said, I agree that anyone who tries something new should get the benefit of the doubt as a novice who’s still learning…but piloting a plane and committing a runway incursion is just too dangerous to be excused.
@@teribaker5833 New pilots are simply that… new pilots. Everyone makes mistakes and when you’re new to flying, mistakes are plentiful. New or experienced, everyone shares the same airspace. This poor guy was simply over his head. Hopefully, he sought out some assistance or extra instruction somewhere. I have been flying professionally for 35 years. There is never s perfect flight. There’s always something that could have been done better. Nobody is ever on a commercial flight where it’s perfect. Too many tiny details in every flight.
And the word is that he's still out there, somewhere in the blue sky, looking for Hickory.
He doesn't need to be driving either.
Grief - that was painful.
Well done ATC.
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Not well done ATC. There is zero need to ATC to scream at a pilot. Even if a pilot is literally doing everything wrong, the worst thing they can do is add stress to the situation by yelling.
This guy gets to fly and I'm stuck here on my simulator...
You're stuck?
Omg I lost it when she said your going the wrong direction again the second time.
Imagine tying up tower for a solid 4 minutes to get a clearance and still getting it wrong
Imagine tying up 147K viewers wanting the incursion..
I'm a student pilot, and this was painful and frustrating even for me.
I was expecting a number to call, ATC was definetly too kind to him.
He’d get the number wrong too
@@CoffeeMatt10 , brilliant!
You think it would be a good practice for ATC to be unkind to pilots who are having difficulty?
@@CoffeeMatt10 Damn you! Now I have gatoraid all over my keyboard!
Man that controller is awesome. Speaking clearly and slowly, and even spelling out fixes for him.
I need a controller like that
Controller spelled it out very carefully because she knew what a dunce this guy was. And she insisted on a readback, which the pilot should have done without question. She was definitely doing a CYA in case he didn't make it. And I don't blame her one bit for doing it.
So true. That's exactly what she was doing.
"You're already on it, so just continue" To be fair, that is an ambiguous statement, so IMHO he did the right thing (this one time at least) in clarifying whether she meant for him to "continue straight" or "go ahead and make my turn".
*He
Not she
Sounds like this pilot is on his first excursion
This is the challenge of flying in New England airspace. This guy probably did most of his flying further south where you just file direct and then get a direct clearance. Had no problem doing this for years but then someone asked him to go to Boston and he thought it wouldn't be a big deal. Pilots need to understand that IFR flying in New England is an entirely different world and should preferably take someone with experience with them the first time. All CFII's should take their IFR students into busy airspace like this to give them the experience and respect for it. Years ago my IFR instructor took me over and over again through the same 4 approaches at small airports in central Illinois, got my ticket, and then had a hell of a time trying to get to the north side of Chicago by myself. Problem is that many CFII's have never been into this kind of airspace themselves so they can't teach it. You have 300hr CFII's taking their students through the same 4 approaches they learned on. CFI's and CFII's need to challenge themselves and broaden themselves to be better instructors.
It also sounds like what happened is that he loaded the "expected route" from Foreflight into his iPad, then loaded the iPad route into the panel GPS. When you do that, it often shows the intermediate waypoints on the victor airways even though they aren't read out in the clearance. That is why he had extra waypoints. You have to read back ATC's clearance word for word, no matter what Foreflight or the GPS says. But now that she was reading out something different than what the automation was telling him, he was completely flummoxed.
That's problematic because it means he probably never looked at the flight plan, never briefed it or the OWD3 sid, and was gonna be utterly lost. I just checked that Sid and it made my brain hurt because of all the if KBOS is landing this, do that instructions.
Sometimes it's hard as a CFII to spice it up and go to different airspace and airports for different approaches. You can only do so much in one lesson and have a lot of factors that limit where you can go for a lesson.
Dunno about that. I fly in Texas and the only time I get direct is for short IFR flights. Otherwise its the SIDs and Victors
You might be correct about that. I dont know, never flew there. However, I think it is inacceptable to have a license and still no be able to understand simple instructions. Sure, the SID might be complicated, but writing down a clearance and reading it back should still be something he can do.
These were such fundamental mistakes, this has nothing to do with being in the north east.
The problem is caused by the pilot's insistence on entering the clearance into his GPS, instead of copying it down and programming the GPS later
You can have thousands of hours, but you STILL need to look out for pilots exactly like this guy!
I am a student pilot and have already learned that you have to look out for joker pilots. It's kinda scary.
"Approach 57 DB, where am I??" That was painful to listen to. I do hope the incursion was reported and the FAA listened to this audio. CUDOS to the controller, much more patience than most! !! !!!
This control had a lot of patience but the second he started crossing onto the runway and making wrong turns they could no longer hold back
It makes you wonder if all incursions should result in a return, shut the plane off, talk to tower and only then proceed, gives the pilot a chance to get his stress levels down and start with a clean slate, this type of high stress/confusion levels straight into flight is a breeding ground for simple mistakes.
Final thought...OK, I'm of a certain age when we had Jeppesen charts, actual pieces of paper. In a binder. Heavy, hated them ..but? Now those same "charts", relevant navigation references are downloaded onto an iPad. Every week we got "revisions" and had to spend time throwing away old pages for the updated ones. Now? It's downloaded instantly. This guy in a remarkably advanced airplane, is simply over his head dealing with the technology. He has NO business flying.
I can understand getting a bit confused, but not being able to get the routing correct after so many tries makes me wonder if he should have been permitted to even take off. I guess they don’t have the power to stop him? The runway incursion certainly should have been the last straw?
I suppose she could refuse to give a takeoff clearance. Never seen it though.
Could it be an old guy with new tech? I mean I would write the routing down on paper as given, read back, look at the chart, and taxi, but it sounded as if he was trying to enter the data into something and it was getting all mixed up. Could be one great pilot in the skies.
@@pdrg That could be, but I'd suggest LEARNING the system properly before putting your life on the line?
@@pdrg ok lets say that was the case , but TWO wrong turns ....whoa.
@@pdrg That doesn't explain the runway incursion though.
I love the confusion/contempt in the Boston-accented controllers voice when reading "South Boston" for SBV.
Surprised the tower didnt tell him to park, shut down and go to the office to refile his flight plan because he is obviously unable to do it over the radio. This guy is just amazing.
I have little doubt that he will one day be flying VFR, land on an interstate, park his plane on an off ramp and then contact ground to ask why there are all these cars on the runway.
He´s so humble but also so confused. I´m guessing an old fella struggling with early dementia symptoms.
You read it right, just a guess.
There is currency and proficiency. This pilot is not proficient. Time to give up the airplane.
Someone school me: If a controller is concerned about the skill level of the pilot being a danger to themselves and others, can they deny clearance?
Absolutely
No they cannot. ATC doesn’t have any level of authority to take certificate action.
Not sure if it’s possible, but can ATC in the states refuse or prevent you from flying in their airspace ?…. This guy….. requires a lot more training to be diplomatic.
They can give you commands but without valid reason they can’t cancel your IFR plan or stop you from taking off. She is paid to navigate planes, nothing more, nothing less. She can file a complaint, even give him a pilot deviation, but she can’t tell him to go back and park. I suppose nothing stops her from refusing to give him take off clearance. Its been done before, but most of the time pilots take off anyway and risk their license.. idk lol😊
Oh my, hope he made it. Sounds like a rather old fella which was kind of confused over the waypoints first which got him so puzzled the taxi went as seen here.
No fucking business in an airplane let alone a car. Jesus. The hubris of these geriatrics
He needs to give up his airplane
How this guy ever got an instrument rating is beyond me.
Imagine if this was a good day for the pilot.
Very patient controller. Poor guy. Don't think he needs to be flying.
Just because you have a piece of paper that says you can, their comes a time when you shouldn't & hopefully somebody will point this out to us.
Shocked he’s courageous to go up IFR by himself. These types of pilots are dangerous. Know yourself!
I'm amazed that someone this slow has managed to become IFR rated. Genuinely shocking.
It seems to me, that since covid, everything that has been established and is good, is slowly going to be destroyed (not only in aviation). Anyone can do anything without consequences.
@@SurvivalSquirrel I am a student pilot and I took in person ground school and most of the class failed to pass the class exams. Many people in the class asked stupid questions. " Did they move the runway "
Pilot speaking so lethargic and sounds like a new pilot on the radio.
But he has his instrument. He had to pass his private pilot and then his instrument. Mind blowing
I've been critical of ATCs that go into "scold mode" when pilots make mistakes. Intead of scolding and moralizing, ATCSs should just give pilots vector and altitute to get to safety and discuss any mistakes later. But my heart goes out to this ATC big time. She maintained her cool, raised her voice only to get pilot's attention, and brought it back down and was professional just at the right moments. BRAVO !!! That poor pilot -- I hope he survives out there ! (He was a bit "slow", but he was polite and respectful and got it right in the end.) Kudos to ATC for keeping her cool and seeing him through !!! That is exactly what an ATC should do, even if it is frustrating. Good job, ATC !!!
"a bit slow" !? he was glacial...maybe oxygen depletion on ramp
Saying that ATC should “just give vectors and altitudes” to pilots who aren’t competent enough to copy a clearance is about the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard
I am a student pilot and have been scolded by ground from a minor mistake as a student pilot. Responded to a very similar tail number with Mike in it. Opps. Ground chewed me out. I was scared to talk to ground after that but I was lucky he left on break and I had another ground guy to speak to after the run-up.
I don’t like when people say just give vectors to someone who is supposed to have an instrument rating. Like don’t make the atc job harder because you didn’t study IFR enough it’s not the towers fault you’re trying to fly in ifr conditions when you barely know how to communicate properly
This is a IFR clearance lol. Vectors? What are you talking about ?
For group awareness, even though she didn't give him a number, this for sure had to be reported and he either has or will get a call from the faa. I'm betting the controller didn't think it was worth rattling this guy any more and figured she'd just let the feds deal with it.
She may have asked the Departure controller to give him the number rather than distract him while he's trying to fly the SID.
Good to know that no matter how bad my communications are with Norwood Tower, the bar is a lot lower. I know that controller has patience from talking to him in the past, but this is a new level...
Also that controller is a man, so every time I hear Ma'am I cringe
This video is one of the most frustrating things I've watched lately! This guy should not be allowed to be alone in an airplane. He can't get a clearance right on the ground, how would he handle a busy airspace or a rerouting inflight? So dangerous!
As someone who flies for a living, this made me shake my head in disbelief. This guy is clueless on even the most basic aspects of IFR flying like terminology, clearance format and read back requirements. I seriously doubt he is actually IFR rated.
How this pilot was ever signed off for an instrument check ride much less passed one is beyond me!
It was in 1962...
I wanna know who signed off Snodgrass to fly a single engine?
I had goose bumps listening to Orville and Wilber talk to ATC on their first flight ever.
Brilliant 😂
This was hard to watch.
I feel like at some point, probably after the runway incursion and before the 2nd wrong turn she should have just cancelled his clearance and directed him back to the ramp, so many red flags of an impending disaster I'm not sure it was responsible to allow him to continue.
Unfortunately that isn’t her call.
@@tomatosofficial1124 she just has to say she suspected he was impaired in some way and she not only can refuse to clear him but would be obliged to
I can't believe it either that they gave him clearance .
I would like to also hear the recording as he reached his destination to see how many tries it took to get landing clearance and if he landing on the correct runway, or on a runway at all for that matter.
$20 says he landed on Quebec.
This pilot should never have been given the green light by his CFI to fly solo IFR without more experience and training, especially in a high performance airplane like an SR22 with advanced avionics. Clearly overmatched
I wonder how much influence the chute on the SR22 has on an under skilled or unconfident pilot. I would think that a few of the deployments weren't absolutely needed.
This guy sounds like he got his certificates and rating decades ago
Actually the SR22 is the perfect plane for a guy like this sadly. The avnx that it has makes it so that anyone can get from point A to point B, provided you enter the route correctly. In the event that stupid does kick in and you run out of airspeed, altitude and ideas all at the same time, there is always the ability to take the silk elevator and join the caterpillar club.
Assuming he has an instrument rating, the CFI isn’t in a position to give him a green light to do anything. Additionally, there is no such thing as “solo IFR”. You are either rated or with a CFII.
@@mtnairpilot 100% agree, what I mean is that his CFI or CFII should have recommended more lessons before going out on his own (perhaps this happened but the advice wasn’t heeded, hard to say). I won’t attempt a flight in a new type unless I’m not only legal to do so, but also have a CFI’s blessing with minimums for what weather conditions I’m proficient to handle. Also, I’m a fan of your MU-2 videos. My uncle Alan K used to own a P-model.
I don’t think I would want to fly with this guy.
As a non-pilot flight simmer, after watching this I feel like an airline captain 😂🤣
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I've been taxiing aircraft for mx going on 10 years now and have been considering learning to fly as a hobby. This video is a slight confidence boost.
@@One_Shot_Garage Aha! Side note, do it!
How did he not get a "possible pilot deviation, I have a phone number for you to call" for that?
57DB, advise when ready to copy the phone number. Stand by, I'm creating a contact on my phone. How do you spell ATC? What was that number again? Do I need to dial a 1 first? What was that number again?
@@ClausB252 57DB, this is Harrison Ford..............
@@3rdandlong No it's not, It's Donald Baker 57DB Aviation LLC
The boston aviation comedy I didn't know I needed
Crazy Boston pilots. They are crazy drivers also. Flew to Boston for an audit, had to drive 30 miles to my hotel and there was like 5 really bad car accidents and they drove their cars in a dangerous fashion.
This fella is IFR-rated? Who says victor “airway?”He needs a first officer or to stay in the traffic pattern. He also should be flying a Cessna 172 rather than a Cirrus otherwise he’ll be in the NTSB accident database
He needs to be grounded for good. I will take his cirrus instead.
The only thing this guy should be flying is a paper airplane, he could even unfold it and use it to write down the clearance. Instead of futzing with his panel that is clearly too advanced for his skill level.
Another statistic here
“57DB correct SO far”
That’s the exact moment the pilot’s soul left his body.
People really underestimate how overwhelming major airspaces can be for newer pilots not used to them especially when you're given 10 vectors that don't match with the original plan you were approved for
Holy cow, this gent is so confused that I got confused!
Wow this was wild. Not sure about the legalities of this, however, at what point should a controller ask the question "are you sure you should be flying today?" that many mistakes, its a miracle he didnt crash or hit someone.
When he went the wrong direction a second time i lost it 😂
When the controller says “57DB YOURE GOING THE WRONG DIRECTION AGAIN!! “ I burst out laughing 😂😂😂 that guy didn’t have a clue as to what he was doing
Maybe some kind soul should have said something along the line of: '5DB: don't rush. Come on inside, have a coffee on me, a new clearance will be available when you are more relaxed. '
Yeah, I checked the map. He's like 400m from the tower. Both of them could have de-escalated this in person.
It an ATC not a coffee shop, if someone can't handle following instructions from the jump and getting flustered do they really need a pilots license? They were instructed to write down the information they chose not to, and then kept getting it wrong. Had they done it correctly they wouldn't have become flustered.
Nope, not a coffee shop, but a clearly stress out pilot is not necessarily safe. A gentle nudge to not fly in this state may just keep him alive. Just caring for your fellow human. How would you sleep at night if something happened to him and you didn't do this?
@@urisavoray1497 You do understand pilots have a license right? It's not the responsibility of ATC to" vibe check" every pilot. There a is a presumption of competency that comes with a license. Do you stop every car on the road and ask how they are doing? The pilot caused his mental state by not following the simple direction of "write down the things I am about to say."
That is exactly right. Pilot just needed a reset. Don't think for a minute that couldn't happen to any of us. Nothing rattles a person more that mistakes--not malfunctions, not traffic, nothing.
I really liked the controller’s voice, especially the way she yelled ‘You’re going the wrong way again!!’ - sounded like Carla from Cheers.
“Yes ma’am. Sorry.” You can hear the shame in his voice, poor guy.
I could NOT do atc; I can hardly remember to direct myself from the kitchen to the litter boxes without getting distracted.
I'm leaving this video and on my way to listen to some good ATC/pilot interactions to get this out of my head. Wow!
I feel sorry for him because he remained so polite and educated during the entire conversation. You can see he's genuinely a nice guy, feeling really lost and confused for some reason. Which isn't good when you're piloting an aircraft.
He made it. You can see this flight in FlightAware. The routing took him over JFK and near Philly, BWI, DCA. Lots of congested airspace, hence the routing.
See? No problem, no need to train more. 😂
This pilot is impaired. If I were ATC I would have neglected his departure clearance.He clearly has no idea what he is doing and if he is this frazzled on the ground, I would not want to see him in the air.
I know that this Tower controller went home that night shaking her head....
I'd never make it as a pilot because there's no way I'd be able to copy down all those instructions.
Very easy to understand your clearance. You just need to have a system.
C- CLEARANCE
R- ROUTE
A- ALTITUDE
F- FREQUENCY
T- TRANSPONDER
Also it is good practice that write short-handed that you can understand.
I'm guessing that going inside and having someone write it down on a Post-it isn't an available option?
That’s a no. You do everything by comms to copy a clearance.
I'm relatively a low hour pilot, I was flying with my dad who has his IFR rating and we picked up a clearance and they gave us a Departure procedure (he was not used to them and I wasn't ifr rated at the time) but he asked if we could get a simpler departure and they gave us one. its better to ask for simpler rather than going along with something if you don't have the experience required.
I wonder if he eventually made it to the correct final destination.
Some say he’s still flying around Fargo ND to this day going “where the heck is Boston”
Aww c'mon grandpa...maybe its time to re-evaluate the whole flying thing now. Its been a blast but now its time to chill on the ground and tell stories
Agreed!!!
Can afford a Cirrus, but won't pay a CFI to fly with him on a mission he has no business flying.
And "Okay um...that was exactly as it was loaded into the plane" was a bald-faced lie, and he was hoping she wouldn't require a read back?! What was he expecting to do in the air? The way points aren't casual 'suggestions'!
It’s like kitboga was messing with ATC
An IFR flight it's very stressful, specially with this crazy long clearance. You got to be good writing nonsense words and fixes and at the end You might not need it, with a good Air Traffic Controller after departure You will hear the magic word 68L "direct destination". Sweet!.
If it’s stressful, then more training is needed. That’s definitely not the time or place to feel undue stress. It should be easy peasy. The only part here that should have taken extra time was for the pilot to carefully write down the clearance, then read it back. If he needed extra time to change it in his gps after the change, then fine. But the pilot was all over the place. Hell he couldn’t even make it to the correct runway. The fact that this guy continued after all that is terrifying.
That isn't a very long or complicated routing. It is long and complicated when he programed what he thought he'd get and then try to change it as he was getting the new clearance.
Nobody says you can't call for your clearance obtain your clearance and then take a 1/2 hr before you call ground back and say that you are now ready to taxi.