Talents in the description. You can play any of these builds at any key level, its up to you, I just wanted to provide some context around why they exist to help you with that decision.
There is a mage talent for +15% crit and additional 10% crit rating from every source. So basically if I open up my character in-game I will see the crit of 41% (even 48% with a different ring). (Funny thing, but my haste rating is bigger than crit rating, but the percentage is smaller.) So... in armory I will see 26% crit chance. That is because armory doesn't count talent gain. So keep it mind.
one quick trick for people who read this. if you know it will take somee time in between 2 pulls, safe a hot streak at the end of the pull and then you can use it on a random flame strike while running. This way you give your skb stacks 15 more seconds to last
It's prob worth noting , running with an aug makes ignite stronger then most classes ,as 1 less damage dealer makes things last longer to benefit from the ignite more.
Playing ignite on 24 ~ keys seems a bit optimistic on tyrann weeks. If you have 2 other decent DPS players your ignite wil not really do much on trash. Just my personal experience
I'm 430 ilvl and only managing around 40-50k overall in dungeons and similar on single target... obviously im making a lot of mistakes but it doesnt feel that bad... not really sure whats going on - doesnt feel like my ilvl being low and a lack of tier set should be making this much of a difference. combustion uptime is 25-30% which i think is ok but even during combust i dont do much damage :D pyroblast critting for only 45k
I don't see you doing the [scorch + fireblast + double pyro combo] a lot when in SKB/combustion. Instead you use fire blast/phoenix flame charges with single pyro casts. Is there a reason for that? Note: it looks like you're doing the double pyro combo on bosses?
you need entirely different stats, i believe frost goes for Crit / Mastery, while fire needs a certain amount of haste versa mainly and some crit aswell.
Hey man ! grret video. and sry if someome alreadz asked this, But iam playing frost now and going 17-18er keys. When do or when will fire become the better spec for m plus? at which M plus lvl? Thankss man
Could you explain to me why living bomb is used? I’ve watched this video a few times and I can’t understand it. Altered time and other sites say to just not use it as it makes such a small difference. Certainly not saying you’re wrong. I just want to know why you use it and what it does to help your rotation. Also, I’m using the full ignite build and I’m only doing 18s to get better with the rotation. Without Aug in like 129k overall usually. I don’t find the other builds to be fun. So I think given what you shared on this video I should feel better about my dps as if it’s really isn’t meant for keys sub 23?
Love your content, but sadly i am having a very hard time understanding and hearing you. You mumble a lot making me have to rewind often. Great content though, thanks for helping the rest of us figuring out how and what to do
Very nice and helpful guide i am a new player and this helped me in M+, would you also be able to make a guide for raid fire mage always in the bottom 5 there with DPS
Im confused how hes getting 2 instant casts of flamestrike in a row, spell log says flamestrike-flamestrike but he consumes a hot streak on flamestrike... flamestrike gives him heating up, how is the second one instant cast? I've noticed a similar thing for pyroblasts too and in the cast log in sims... hot streak pyro then after that cast they somehow have another hot streak? I get the casting 2 spells to land at the same time but thats not relevant here Edit: he just explained how it works with pyro but still dont understand with flamestrike
I haven't used any of my sparks yet and would like to play all three specs for fun around the 20-25 key range. What would you recommend I do for stats in that case for the crafted items? Thanks!
Thx for the video, U actually going fire on raids also? Is it the best spec? cause I went crit mastery for frost arcane, and those stats no good for fire
What does w/e mean in the case of hybrid build status? more mastery or haste? In any case, is ignite better than flamestrike? when it comes to targets with a lot of hp?
It means you can go whatever stats for the playstyle you use more in that spec, since you adjust your gameplay based on stats and situation. Ignite is less aoe than flamestrike, more priority dmg. Which is generally valuable for timing a key moreso than doing more aoe dmg.
Hey man thanks for the vid could you just explain the ramp build up with this build before u combust do u spread the ignite to a certain ammpunt of mobs before busting I’m losing a lot of damage with ignite on Aoe
I'd like to double check you on that "not casting fireblast when flamestriking" because I could have sworn when you do fireblast, you can flame strike twice. Does it really munch one? Please correct me if I'm wrong, its a legitimate question and concern.
Hello, I discovered why the fire mage has little damage, there is an error in his 150% bonus, this is only 50% in the embracing rage buff, please make a complaint to blizzard
Hybrid build feels like a overall dmg loss to me, since you basically only flamestrike low HP pack of mobs, while loosing that full ignite dmg on other packs and boss aswell. That is what in dont get on this build. I would understand if you would flamestrike everypack and use that ignite dmg for boss dmg or like 2 targe🎉t cleave. Am i wrong?
Thank you for the guide. I find myself hesitating often when I get my 2d bust + SKB ready to go and my balefire in 30 sec on CD. Should I go for SKB and hold bust for balefire or should I go SKB+bust and keep balefire for next combust?
hey mate, i really need help with fire mage, i have 485 but with bl and biiig pulls i dont even manage to get above 600k dps, etc i do engage with fireball into combust into fire blast, pyro,fire blast,pyro, phoenix flame,pyro,fireblast,pyro into new combust, and same again, what am i doing wrong? can you please tell me how you engage, hard for me to see in the video, i see alot of mages go 1m+ but i cant really get ignite to go that high, something is wrong compared to my gear :( great video btw!
hey man thx for the vid, have a question i was in a throne key yesterday and i couldnt spread my ignite from boss on the totem at 3rd boss, do u know why?
So you basically want to start every main combustion with a SKB proc ready to go so you can get the benefit out of both combustions together while chaining a SKB proc at the end to extend it even longer like all 3 combustions together? And shifting power when finished. Then you fit one small SKB before repeating the process?
Well that’s an ideal situation but you should never hold skb unless a pack is gonna die literally in the next few seconds. Otherwise you will get less combustion uptime for the whole key.
@@jayryan1956 our ignite damage scales off mastery, so it’s still a great star for fire. The idea is if you can get extra mastery from embellishments you don’t have to sacrifice other stats on your gear. You can still have high crit and haste as well as high mastery from embellishments. Giving good single target and aoe damage. Since in a key both are required this is a solid way to gear.
Would you say that the Ignite build is better than the Flamestrike build for Sanguine weeks, since keeping mobs in one place is what Flamestrike builds want but Sanguine makes that counterproductive?
living bomb doesnt impact when you pyro vs flamestrike, covered it, but its 4-7t depending on your mastery, and if you need prio dmg. 4t being the base.
I am not sure about Meteor, maybe you can elaborate on that. I rarely see people using Meteor before combust, even though the sims show it like that. On the Bear pull in dht for example you used Meteor during combust. Is there a reason why we should use it during combust and not before?
Fireball cast time is longer than meteor land time, so you have to combust early into the cast for it to crit. Generally speaking i pre cast when i have low enough haste to scorch. Also its worth to delay to hit more mobs or if you think it may miss.
I whatch this but at the end after 2 weeks of trying fire mage with ignite build în m20+,21,22,23, i literally do dmg more than healer but lower than tank, and i dont know what is wrong with that ignite, i whatch all the video and they said: "u need to Target that big mob health bar cast combustion-pyro-fb-pyro etc, and ur ignite will do a lot of dmg" for me its do like 5k on mobs every 1 sec în sense there is like 8-10 mobs after a sesion of casting i do like 100k from pyroblast and another 50k from ignite where u add another 2 spell to get the instant pyro în total i do somehow like 220k with full combustion... and i see video where all of u get like 1.5M în a big pool like everbloom that fire pool, there i do like 300k, can u explain that more în detail please.. Like how to get that dmg of ignite... for me have no sense like with that 5k from ignite if there în the pool are over 12 mobs IT s like 60k and u add the pyro and flame and meteor and fb and i get over 300k, all of u got over 1M
Hello, the presentation of information does not flow naturally. I would hope that it starts out simple and then expands. I don't mean to ask for a beginner guide, but you jump into a rotation with vague wording "skb flamestrike on 3", and although I can maybe guess what 3 means... you don't want the audience to be guessing. So if I can't read your opener without waiting for you to explain, I'm sitting here hoping you explain what it means within the first few minutes. Yet until you do that, most of the first few minutes of explanation have a loss of value. I am sure you are a true expert mage, and I believe with some development on presentation, you could have the best mage videos in the world.
thats how i am feeling too... anyone my ilvl is out dpsing me and I'm doing majority of what this video says. I might switch to frost or arcane, it feels bad on lowkeys
I think that the main problem with fire mage is absence of rotation. I mean, rotation is conditional sequence of buttons that you push. Fire mage is more about proc consideration: When is it better to use combust? Do I have enough guaranteed crits at the moment to use it? Etc. From some point of you playing as fire mage is art unlike some shitty DH or BM, who are being top dps just facerolling keyboard XD
Talents in the description. You can play any of these builds at any key level, its up to you, I just wanted to provide some context around why they exist to help you with that decision.
what is making the crit 41%? it seems insane for fire. and its supposedly around 25 for most m+ builds according to murlock website
any tips?
There is a mage talent for +15% crit and additional 10% crit rating from every source. So basically if I open up my character in-game I will see the crit of 41% (even 48% with a different ring). (Funny thing, but my haste rating is bigger than crit rating, but the percentage is smaller.) So... in armory I will see 26% crit chance. That is because armory doesn't count talent gain. So keep it mind.
How do i start my st Rotation with the hybrid build If I dont have fire or the Phoenix Flame crit talent?
Tyvm
one quick trick for people who read this. if you know it will take somee time in between 2 pulls, safe a hot streak at the end of the pull and then you can use it on a random flame strike while running. This way you give your skb stacks 15 more seconds to last
Thank you. Needed this, started learning fire last week and it was... not good. Hopefully this guide turns it around for me.
Thanks for the great video, even as a long time fire main this helped clear a lot of the confusion around the different builds and stat prios
Very much appreciate you doing these guides, extremely helpful.
iw as just watching the 27 everbloom video and was like i wonder when the guide will come out LOL ! love it mana thank you
manather i wanna thank you so much for being one of the few mages in the community that dont gatekeep knowledge. ^^
Thank you so much for this Video! I needed this in the worst way
It's prob worth noting , running with an aug makes ignite stronger then most classes ,as 1 less damage dealer makes things last longer to benefit from the ignite more.
Any chance on you doing fire guide for raid as well? But regardless great video ❤
Playing ignite on 24 ~ keys seems a bit optimistic on tyrann weeks. If you have 2 other decent DPS players your ignite wil not really do much on trash. Just my personal experience
yeah, its really best with an aug since an actual third dps makes it hard to ramp
that's why frost better xD
Thx for the help Great Guide
Awesome as always!
I'm 430 ilvl and only managing around 40-50k overall in dungeons and similar on single target... obviously im making a lot of mistakes but it doesnt feel that bad... not really sure whats going on - doesnt feel like my ilvl being low and a lack of tier set should be making this much of a difference. combustion uptime is 25-30% which i think is ok but even during combust i dont do much damage :D pyroblast critting for only 45k
I don't see you doing the [scorch + fireblast + double pyro combo] a lot when in SKB/combustion. Instead you use fire blast/phoenix flame charges with single pyro casts. Is there a reason for that? Note: it looks like you're doing the double pyro combo on bosses?
Thank you! a 1000x thank you!
Thank you Manather !!
Did anyone else have audio static issues some points, or was that just me?
Here is a question. Geared for frost - how hard is it to switch to fire? Fire looks fun
you need entirely different stats, i believe frost goes for Crit / Mastery, while fire needs a certain amount of haste versa mainly and some crit aswell.
I only swapped a neck and a ring initially, you should be fine doing something relatively similar
Love the video! What the best way to sim for ignite build? I got a bunch of trinkets I need to take a look at
Hey man, just started playing mage so this is really useful. Do you have a twitch where i can watch you play live?
Yep, should be a link on my channel page or maybe in the description
Hey man ! grret video. and sry if someome alreadz asked this, But iam playing frost now and going 17-18er keys. When do or when will fire become the better spec for m plus? at which M plus lvl? Thankss man
Could you explain to me why living bomb is used? I’ve watched this video a few times and I can’t understand it. Altered time and other sites say to just not use it as it makes such a small difference. Certainly not saying you’re wrong. I just want to know why you use it and what it does to help your rotation.
Also, I’m using the full ignite build and I’m only doing 18s to get better with the rotation. Without Aug in like 129k overall usually. I don’t find the other builds to be fun. So I think given what you shared on this video I should feel better about my dps as if it’s really isn’t meant for keys sub 23?
Love your content, but sadly i am having a very hard time understanding and hearing you. You mumble a lot making me have to rewind often. Great content though, thanks for helping the rest of us figuring out how and what to do
What?
@@bruceal4797it's true
Its because of the intense vocal fry.
ty so much for the vid keep it up with fire please ,, the only issue i have that i ran out of PF&FB fast and i lose my buffs any tips ?
Weave in scorch double flamestrike/pyroblasts
Very nice and helpful guide i am a new player and this helped me in M+, would you also be able to make a guide for raid fire mage always in the bottom 5 there with DPS
Im confused how hes getting 2 instant casts of flamestrike in a row, spell log says flamestrike-flamestrike but he consumes a hot streak on flamestrike... flamestrike gives him heating up, how is the second one instant cast? I've noticed a similar thing for pyroblasts too and in the cast log in sims... hot streak pyro then after that cast they somehow have another hot streak? I get the casting 2 spells to land at the same time but thats not relevant here
Edit: he just explained how it works with pyro but still dont understand with flamestrike
love your videos! qq: do I cast meteor on ST? thanks a bunch
Yep, only in combust
always thanks for the videos! When I have both comb + mini comb, should I cast meteor before hardcast pyro of after?
After
@@Manather Thx! and should I begin combust with 7 stacks of sunking w/o firestarter when I have more than 2 charges of fire blast?
@@wintertale. if you dont have a heating up and need to combust asap then yeah
@@Manather what does "need to combust asap" mean? so if I don't need burst damage like my target lives long enough, should I make the stacks 8?
Need to work on that vocal fry 🍳
I haven't used any of my sparks yet and would like to play all three specs for fun around the 20-25 key range. What would you recommend I do for stats in that case for the crafted items? Thanks!
Crit/vers or haste/vers for crafted pieces. If its bracers or cloak or boots you can put mastery on it if planning to mainly play ignite.
@@Manather p much just answered my exact question ive been trying to figure out, tyty
Thx for the video, U actually going fire on raids also? Is it the best spec? cause I went crit mastery for frost arcane, and those stats no good for fire
Can play any spec, im playing fire on fyrakk yeah
What does w/e mean in the case of hybrid build status? more mastery or haste?
In any case, is ignite better than flamestrike? when it comes to targets with a lot of hp?
It means you can go whatever stats for the playstyle you use more in that spec, since you adjust your gameplay based on stats and situation. Ignite is less aoe than flamestrike, more priority dmg. Which is generally valuable for timing a key moreso than doing more aoe dmg.
Thank you!!
Played wow for ages but quit, LF something thats fun to play but also good in raid+mythic +. Fire looks very fun, arcane is also fun to play?
yes
Best spec to go for lower keys when mobs are getting deleted fast? Great guide thanks
Flamestrike
Thanks!!
Hey man thanks for the vid could you just explain the ramp build up with this build before u combust do u spread the ignite to a certain ammpunt of mobs before busting I’m losing a lot of damage with ignite on Aoe
Already active ignites gain no value from you pressing combust, so no. Activating combust just helps you spread your ignite.
Dang I’ve been playing wrong this entire time with the flame strike builds in 18s.
Nice guide, would really like to know the best way to sim gear for Ignite build
Personally I'd just sim ST, that leads you down the crit/haste path, and then you get your mastery from 2x BSL and your tier pieces.
I'd like to double check you on that "not casting fireblast when flamestriking" because I could have sworn when you do fireblast, you can flame strike twice. Does it really munch one? Please correct me if I'm wrong, its a legitimate question and concern.
Well if you have a heating up during a hardcast flamestrike you should not be able to double flamestrike off that, unless you have server lag
Imfiredup is haste vers in an ignite build. I really don’t understand fire, no one does the same thing it seems
Hello, I discovered why the fire mage has little damage, there is an error in his 150% bonus, this is only 50% in the embracing rage buff, please make a complaint to blizzard
What do you mean ?
@@MrJimmybaines check searing rage, when you activating combustion never 150% bonus
Well you're not right, it buffs the searing rage effect by 150% 150% times 20% is 50% so it's working as intended
@@TheDerpyGrandma ok, thanks
Hybrid build feels like a overall dmg loss to me, since you basically only flamestrike low HP pack of mobs, while loosing that full ignite dmg on other packs and boss aswell. That is what in dont get on this build. I would understand if you would flamestrike everypack and use that ignite dmg for boss dmg or like 2 targe🎉t cleave. Am i wrong?
Are we generally casting more scorches than fireballs ?
Thank you for the guide. I find myself hesitating often when I get my 2d bust + SKB ready to go and my balefire in 30 sec on CD. Should I go for SKB and hold bust for balefire or should I go SKB+bust and keep balefire for next combust?
Hold balefire for next combust and just send
@@Manather Thanks alot!
hey mate, i really need help with fire mage, i have 485 but with bl and biiig pulls i dont even manage to get above 600k dps, etc i do engage with fireball into combust into fire blast, pyro,fire blast,pyro, phoenix flame,pyro,fireblast,pyro into new combust, and same again, what am i doing wrong? can you please tell me how you engage, hard for me to see in the video, i see alot of mages go 1m+ but i cant really get ignite to go that high, something is wrong compared to my gear :( great video btw!
Fire mages in high keys usually play with a aug in their grps
hey man thx for the vid, have a question i was in a throne key yesterday and i couldnt spread my ignite from boss on the totem at 3rd boss, do u know why?
Dont know the term for that, but yeah thats a normal interaction there.
So what is the AOE opening sequence for a given mob?
So you basically want to start every main combustion with a SKB proc ready to go so you can get the benefit out of both combustions together while chaining a SKB proc at the end to extend it even longer like all 3 combustions together? And shifting power when finished. Then you fit one small SKB before repeating the process?
Well that’s an ideal situation but you should never hold skb unless a pack is gonna die literally in the next few seconds. Otherwise you will get less combustion uptime for the whole key.
@@2SiKPr3daT0rZ why is blue silken so good as an embellishment when you arent really stacking mastery?
@@jayryan1956 our ignite damage scales off mastery, so it’s still a great star for fire. The idea is if you can get extra mastery from embellishments you don’t have to sacrifice other stats on your gear. You can still have high crit and haste as well as high mastery from embellishments. Giving good single target and aoe damage. Since in a key both are required this is a solid way to gear.
@@2SiKPr3daT0rZ thanks for replying
Would you say that the Ignite build is better than the Flamestrike build for Sanguine weeks, since keeping mobs in one place is what Flamestrike builds want but Sanguine makes that counterproductive?
If the mobs die too fast so you do no dmg it wont help much
How much worse is flamestrike or hybrid build in high keys? If you enjoy the playstyle of it, is it viable?
Yes
In the hybrid build on AoE without the Living Bomb ability, when do you use Pyroblast VS. Flamestrike ?
living bomb doesnt impact when you pyro vs flamestrike, covered it, but its 4-7t depending on your mastery, and if you need prio dmg. 4t being the base.
Hey! Do you mind sharing your WA for “stop order”?
hey mate is it worth casting living bomb on single target?
Hi, thanks for the guide. I dont understand how can you make a double framestrike y the openner, Can someone explain me, thanks again
Can you elaborate on the spell queue window and why it should be 400ms?
yeah I always heard 200 + ping. So if you normally run at 50ms of ping, you should set it at 250ms or maybe a bit higher for buffer.
I am not sure about Meteor, maybe you can elaborate on that.
I rarely see people using Meteor before combust, even though the sims show it like that.
On the Bear pull in dht for example you used Meteor during combust.
Is there a reason why we should use it during combust and not before?
Only reason I can think off, is the feel the burn buff. You meteor to get max ignite damage from it with max mastery.
Meteor crit chance is 100% during combust. Maybe is that.
@@matiasdelrio4764 yeah but you can still cast combustion while it’s landing and get the crit effect
Fireball cast time is longer than meteor land time, so you have to combust early into the cast for it to crit. Generally speaking i pre cast when i have low enough haste to scorch. Also its worth to delay to hit more mobs or if you think it may miss.
I whatch this but at the end after 2 weeks of trying fire mage with ignite build în m20+,21,22,23, i literally do dmg more than healer but lower than tank, and i dont know what is wrong with that ignite, i whatch all the video and they said: "u need to Target that big mob health bar cast combustion-pyro-fb-pyro etc, and ur ignite will do a lot of dmg" for me its do like 5k on mobs every 1 sec în sense there is like 8-10 mobs after a sesion of casting i do like 100k from pyroblast and another 50k from ignite where u add another 2 spell to get the instant pyro în total i do somehow like 220k with full combustion... and i see video where all of u get like 1.5M în a big pool like everbloom that fire pool, there i do like 300k, can u explain that more în detail please.. Like how to get that dmg of ignite... for me have no sense like with that 5k from ignite if there în the pool are over 12 mobs IT s like 60k and u add the pyro and flame and meteor and fb and i get over 300k, all of u got over 1M
same here
Hello, the presentation of information does not flow naturally. I would hope that it starts out simple and then expands. I don't mean to ask for a beginner guide, but you jump into a rotation with vague wording "skb flamestrike on 3", and although I can maybe guess what 3 means... you don't want the audience to be guessing.
So if I can't read your opener without waiting for you to explain, I'm sitting here hoping you explain what it means within the first few minutes. Yet until you do that, most of the first few minutes of explanation have a loss of value.
I am sure you are a true expert mage, and I believe with some development on presentation, you could have the best mage videos in the world.
fire guide for raid pls. rotation and talents :p
I dont understand how to use belor'relos. You use it during combust or out of it?
Use it on cd, and outside combust, because during combust you want to be casting your spells
Can I ask for the specific WA that shows time before meteor drops? Would be a big help thank you
wago.io/jui5VHvhI
somehow i feel like i dont do dmg as mage.. then im in combust window pressing everything and still 3th on dmg meter:D
thats how i am feeling too... anyone my ilvl is out dpsing me and I'm doing majority of what this video says. I might switch to frost or arcane, it feels bad on lowkeys
@@Record-rs lowkey frost is by default better
Fire is one of those specs where you need to sit in front of the target dummy’s for hours every week…
is it better to play frost till 20+key?
Is this still good for 10.2.5?
yep
is fire a better choice in raid than frost?
Generally speaking no, unless you are better at fire. But I think its very competitive for most bosses.
@@Manather thx for thr reply. what do you think is the best spec for raid？ arcane or frost？
any minimum haste require?
No, but get some
I love fire mage it’s fun but I suck at it
I have one question... How can you make crafted items with shadowflame damage. I can t find a tutorial
Hey it’s just an embellishment you add onto the crafted gear. It can be purchased from the ah. Recraft your gear to add it if you need to
very hard to understand u
I think that the main problem with fire mage is absence of rotation. I mean, rotation is conditional sequence of buttons that you push. Fire mage is more about proc consideration: When is it better to use combust? Do I have enough guaranteed crits at the moment to use it? Etc.
From some point of you playing as fire mage is art unlike some shitty DH or BM, who are being top dps just facerolling keyboard XD
ytf are u basically whispering into the mic....
Great video but at some point I got really REALLY annoying by your low hoarse voice, just speak clear pls 😵😂 but thanks a lot
You talk like you died 1 month aggo
My mage is ilvl 446 with no tier and I can’t do shit for dmg in fire spec.
Honestly under 480 ilvl and good stats just play frost, and arcane in sanguine weeks. Stats are similar and it pumps.
@@supergaga1712 yea been playing frost I just enjoy fire more. But dmg sucks