What I have noticed watching Rupert is an extraordinary ability to clarify things based on the experience of now. All other special teachers talk about their experience being on that awareness while Rupert says we all are the same and we must be aware of what I am aware of and now- not somewhere in the future. And he simplifies this works like enlightenment, self realization and supreme and many others which sounds so heavy and a goal oriented as simple awareness. This by far the most influential person of my life. Rupert is known for his extraordinary ability to clarify complex things.
I love the clarity of Rupert. One thing is that you never hear anyone talking about the darker side of awakening, the brutality of the awakening process that one often has to pass through before such a seeing is even possible. A process that can render one completely incapacitated, the latent diseases, the mental torture that can arise on the back of an awakening. It’s peculiar that it’s rarely spoken about, given the impression that one just needs to investigate. Things are things that can come as a surprise to many seeking the truth.
You describe it precisely. And yeah, most people have to pass through it after an awakening. I just disagree when you say no one talks about it. In fact, it's been told about at least since the 16th century when St. John of the Cross named it "the dark night of the soul". I agree, though, that it is to some extent overlooked, maybe even intentionally unmentioned, by those who preach for self-inquiry, specially new agers. It's understandable not to mention it, though, as it certainly will drive people away from the process, specially in an age where most people are constantly seeking immediate pleasures. But it's something totally worth passing through. From your precise description of it, I assume you experienced it. Looking back on it, can you not say it was one of, if not the best thing that ever happened to you, despite how terrifying it may have seemed at the time? It's indeed ethically questionable not to give any heads up to people on what they are bound to face on the journey, but knowing the terrors that await them wouldn't make them flee and keep living in delusion? Is it really worth mentioning right away? Isn't it better to mention it later when the process is already in motion? I truly don't know, I find it really hard to answer these questions from an ethical point of view. But I do agree never mentioning it at all isn't something nice.
@@georgomuller it isn’t the same for everyone, and it’s not linear either. In that there isn’t a guarantee that you’ll pop out the other end all transformed as one might think. It may not be difficult at all. There maybe years such as in my case where you are bedridden, sick and cut off from the people you love. Periods of expansion where you feel nothing but possibility, openness and connection. And then it can cycle back again, contraction, grief and loss. The shift that is talked about is rare, and seems to occur through a type of grace. If it’s to happen in your life then it will. I don’t believe you can make that happen, you can be open to it but I’ve known a many monks, priests and sincere seekers who have never come to such a seeing. It’s unknown why these shifts occur. It’s quite mysterious in fact. Awakening occurred in my life spontaneously, through no effort or interest. Despite opening to unknown dimensions within yourself, which is beautiful it can tear up your life as you’ve know it. This can lead to a lot of mental instability, unpleasantness. Some hear this message and open like a flower, but not all flowers bloom
Shakespeare said, “ All the world is a stage & we are but actors upon it ..” .. how wonderful to participate in this presentation of two masters of descriptions, Sheldrake & Chopra 🌺🐼🌿🌝
And I love the humor of Deepak Chopra.. I really wanna meet these great masters but I don’t know how. How humble Sir Deepak is another things that makes me love him so much. We are blessed to see true nature if these incredible masters.
If you go to Rupert's website he holds workshops and retreats. Also webinars and the webinars are inexpensive. I'm actually attending one in a couple weeks. Deepak may do the same. Check out their sites.
oh he really takes us there, had went through this boundless experience but here with the first question he export me there, and finding the edge of I is really finding the boundaries of boundless Wow,
The entire universe which includes space, time, matter, body, senses, brain and words etc. is unconscious. Consciousness alone which is the ultimate source of words, which is hearing these words and which is understanding these words is conscious and that’s what I am. Am I right, Rupert?
49:59 - Rupert, once again giving people the impression that the simple experience of being aware equates with the experiencing of pure consciousness. Why does he do this, when surely he knows it's not true?
Hmmmm I would love ❤️ to know why it’s not true... on the contrary it feels more true than anything I’ve ever had the pleasure to experience. Always open to new ways of looking at or hearing what you believe.
Chopra has been writing and teaching about this subject for decades and probably made a fortune doing that and he clearly doesn’t understand what many of us find obvious. He has a thick intellectual skull.
I have always felt Chopra was a dark character as he associates with the likes of dark elite characters. I have never ever been drawn to him and just the fact that Spira is associating with him is bringing up all kinds of doubts in his teachings now
How would you say so ? There are clocks ticking in your Brain and Heart.. There are circadian rhythms while in deep sleep. There is a place for you to lay down and close your eyes. Doesnt Time and Space exist in Mind ? Waking up from deep sleep does mean transitioning to seep from deep sleep ? Why cant one stay completely in deep sleep ? What is ignorance of Mind wrt to Sleep and Deep sleep ?
Rupert is amazing. Best teacher ever as Aguiar said but I am not agree with the statement that he sent by God. Rupert is awareness. Ignorant people understand awareness as God. Every one is awareness but by ignorance each divide awareness (self) in two one as person ( I am a separateand person) and other is God (which is in heaven). Ultimate reality is non dual awareness. Not in duality as person and God. This is essence of teaching of Rupert.
But even in deep sleep there is still electric activity in the brain. This only stops with death. How do you know that this awareness is not equal to that electrical noise?
Because consciousness is the source of electricity.. It is still a current, a movement of time and space. Beyond time and space, and all movement is the ever-still, the infinite "being"/beingness. Could be explained in so many ways that makes intellectual sense, but it is late here now, and direct experience which any human can have (it is our inherent "nature" after all) is far, far more powerful, true and full on full fledged life than anything of the mind/intellect/ego, and duality, like words for example in the dynamic world.
Science is not the problem. Ignoring science is. Science very much welcomes „new“ views and has left „matter“ behind a century ago. No religion has this living transcendence. By religion, I don’t mean Rupert nor nondualism.
I think he's using a seemingly dualistic metaphor as the only method available to get across conceptually the experience of non duality. Non dualism points to the unified field of experience ie the screen and the modulations ie experience playing across it, but in terms of hierarchy the field is of a different domain.
Pan psychism means everything has consciousness, animals, humans, plants, objects. , he's telling the opposite, no-thing is consciousness, not animals, not humans, nothing objective, and there is actually not object-subject, just being aware of being aware, that's all there is, which is everything and no-thing.
Hundreds of spiritual celebrities, thousands of lectures on endless lecture circuits and still the same three or four examples -- the movie screen, the dream, God as infinite consciousness. The Vedanta writings are really the most beautiful, fullest and most comprehensible expressions of Advaita Vedanta. It's a shame that more people don't go back to the source but instead always need a "new" product -- a modern version, some repackaging that makes us think we are getting something novel. That's the problem with guys like Rupert -- he's just trying to use different words, like Krishnamurti did, to create his own "brand". Unfortunately the original words, which were compiled and refined over millennia are the best. Nothing surpasses the Upanishads for expressing what Spira is nibbling around. Swami Sarvrapryananda -- just sayin'.
Different teachers resonate with different people. Remember, there are as many paths as there are beings and each is unique, though ultimately the destination is the same and underneath the surface they're all saying the same thing. To say there is only one way and that is YOUR way that makes sense to you is dogmatic and myopic. Imagine a math teacher that said you HAVE to solve the problem my way and everything else is not allowed.
I spent over 20 years exploring it, been to India, studied and practiced meditation, yoga, read so many things from Advaita Vedanta, Upanishads, and self help and spiritual books, so much, even went to ashram of Ramana Maharshi, but just did not understand it and what they had found, and just thought maybe they are delusional not me, as I am mathematician and scientist as my background. I listened to Rupert several times, over 1 month, and now, Bingo!, finally it all clicks and makes sense. When I go back to the literature, again and read what I did not understand, I now understand it as clear as day, and can lecture about it and answer any questions that I am confronted with by those that do not understand. Any proverb or parable from Buddha to Christ to sages and saint is all clear as day. I am obviously not enlightened, but intellectually understand it, maybe that is the first step, as I still prefer my bodily sensations and experience of it and do a lot to gain those experiences at the expense of further practice or abstinence, or ritual and don't behave like sage, in any way. I still love my ego, and occasionally still over do it chasing elusive objects in the world of form for gratification and pleasure. So Rupert Spira's Direct Path for me removed the frustration I had of not understanding. I now believe I understand and its clear as day. I need to learn how to feel it, but understand that there is no experience in all this, as its about no experience, really. But happy to reach the end of my life with the knowing that Rupert has shown me... simple as that....too many people are smart asses passing comments as if they know better after a few minute of listening to this.
Every Spiritual Master who claims to have realized the ultimate truth as the Self should be asked, from where the whole manifested world or human mind comes from? If he replies that everything is manifested out of the self then he should be asked if this is in fact and truly his experience? If he says yes, he should be asked if he CONSCIOUSLY invented e.g. the frog or created the sun? If he says yes, well.... And if he says "no I didn't CONSCIOUSLY invented nor created anything" then ask him what "higher force" did so, that he is not aware of? And why on earth he claims to have realized the ultimate truth?
But experiences are various. Thus how can it be one thing? There's a "shape" of the knowingness - different things feel different. How's that explained by using words like: modulation of consciousness?
I am aware of being aware is not a thought , as is the space between two thoughts you have. Talking and understanding this, and describing this and everything about this is a thought.
@@mairo0sanguineti Its not pure awareness either. I'm sure Rupert must know this by now, so why does he keep giving people the impression that the awareness he's experiencing, and taking others to, is pure awareness, when it isn't?
Gottfried007 there'd be no movie without the screen, it's fine to not feel that you are the screen, that's part of what being an embodied character in the movie entails. But regardless how it feels to be just the movie, the screen is what gives it its reality, so rest in that xx
This is confusing and seemingly contradictory. There is a difference between knowing and experiencing. Knowing - means to think about it and then know it while experience is simply being involved in the unfolding. At the start he doesn't like how one person challenges his idea and simply keeps repeating himself until they back down. Ridiculous - your explanation is confusing because knowing and experiencing are different.
"Knowing - means to think about it ". That's absurd. When you're experiencing sadness you just know before you have to think about it. Same is true for all other forms of experience. Something first has to be known/experienced/seen before it can be thought about. Rupert uses 'knowing' as a blanket term for all of those words. Of course ultimately no word is correct, because they reality of what i'm speaking is prior to words/thinking.
No you didn't. I'm clearly distinguishing between knowledge and experience as being different things. You conflate the two. You don't understand my point at all.
What I have noticed watching Rupert is an extraordinary ability to clarify things based on the experience of now. All other special teachers talk about their experience being on that awareness while Rupert says we all are the same and we must be aware of what I am aware of and now- not somewhere in the future. And he simplifies this works like enlightenment, self realization and supreme and many others which sounds so heavy and a goal oriented as simple awareness. This by far the most influential person of my life. Rupert is known for his extraordinary ability to clarify complex things.
My heart is always full of gratitude...thanks Deepak and Rupert 😍😊
Oh my goodness what an incredible talk 💕
Thank you Robert and Deepak , how valuable these teachings are .
I love the clarity of Rupert. One thing is that you never hear anyone talking about the darker side of awakening, the brutality of the awakening process that one often has to pass through before such a seeing is even possible. A process that can render one completely incapacitated, the latent diseases, the mental torture that can arise on the back of an awakening. It’s peculiar that it’s rarely spoken about, given the impression that one just needs to investigate. Things are things that can come as a surprise to many seeking the truth.
Hi, Adyashanti talks about this quite a bit
You describe it precisely. And yeah, most people have to pass through it after an awakening. I just disagree when you say no one talks about it. In fact, it's been told about at least since the 16th century when St. John of the Cross named it "the dark night of the soul".
I agree, though, that it is to some extent overlooked, maybe even intentionally unmentioned, by those who preach for self-inquiry, specially new agers. It's understandable not to mention it, though, as it certainly will drive people away from the process, specially in an age where most people are constantly seeking immediate pleasures.
But it's something totally worth passing through. From your precise description of it, I assume you experienced it. Looking back on it, can you not say it was one of, if not the best thing that ever happened to you, despite how terrifying it may have seemed at the time?
It's indeed ethically questionable not to give any heads up to people on what they are bound to face on the journey, but knowing the terrors that await them wouldn't make them flee and keep living in delusion? Is it really worth mentioning right away? Isn't it better to mention it later when the process is already in motion? I truly don't know, I find it really hard to answer these questions from an ethical point of view. But I do agree never mentioning it at all isn't something nice.
Mooji , Lee Harris and Depak talk of the dark night of the soul
I think Mooji describes it the best as attacks from your own ego and you can almost feel the bombs dropping on you as he explains what is happening
@@georgomuller it isn’t the same for everyone, and it’s not linear either. In that there isn’t a guarantee that you’ll pop out the other end all transformed as one might think. It may not be difficult at all. There maybe years such as in my case where you are bedridden, sick and cut off from the people you love. Periods of expansion where you feel nothing but possibility, openness and connection. And then it can cycle back again, contraction, grief and loss. The shift that is talked about is rare, and seems to occur through a type of grace. If it’s to happen in your life then it will. I don’t believe you can make that happen, you can be open to it but I’ve known a many monks, priests and sincere seekers who have never come to such a seeing. It’s unknown why these shifts occur. It’s quite mysterious in fact. Awakening occurred in my life spontaneously, through no effort or interest. Despite opening to unknown dimensions within yourself, which is beautiful it can tear up your life as you’ve know it. This can lead to a lot of mental instability, unpleasantness. Some hear this message and open like a flower, but not all flowers bloom
Deepak is transforming millions of people's lives.
Shakespeare said, “
All the world is a stage & we are but actors upon it ..” .. how wonderful to participate in this presentation of two masters of descriptions, Sheldrake & Chopra 🌺🐼🌿🌝
It’s Rupert spira, not Rupert sheldrake.
Namaste...Thank you Rupert & Deepak 🌊 its like the wave, she/ he never left the sea , it is one...🙏🙏🙏
Thankyou so much Rupert!
You explained beautifully and with immense clarity.
Thank you both for your wisdom of truth and your love.
Shepherd's Chapel Network !!!!!!! Pastor Murray is an Anointed Servant of GOD who teaches the Word of GOD with Authority!!!!!!!
Shame they didn’t get to talk about death - Deepak mentioned they would at the start but looks like time ran out. Such a wonderful talk. Thank you
Rupert has a couple RUclips talks regarding death. Check him out.
Wow is this powerful!!!❤️
Two of the best 👍
My heartfelt gratitude , True. Master Rupert Spira and Dr Deepak chopra🙏🙏
Deepak chopra was right..he is very eloquent and precise with his words..he is indeed a great teacher...🙏
And I love the humor of Deepak Chopra.. I really wanna meet these great masters but I don’t know how. How humble Sir Deepak is another things that makes me love him so much. We are blessed to see true nature if these incredible masters.
If you go to Rupert's website he holds workshops and retreats. Also webinars and the webinars are inexpensive. I'm actually attending one in a couple weeks. Deepak may do the same. Check out their sites.
oh he really takes us there, had went through this boundless experience but here with the first question he export me there, and finding the edge of I is really finding the boundaries of boundless Wow,
The entire universe which includes space, time, matter, body, senses, brain and words etc. is unconscious. Consciousness alone which is the ultimate source of words, which is hearing these words and which is understanding these words is conscious and that’s what I am. Am I right, Rupert?
Thank you! Beautiful lecture! Great books.
The knowledge of experience come for when you ask or want some thing otherwise nothing happens.
Wowowo.. Amazing interview by Deepak Chopra ...
Thank you dear elders. 🙏
once i know my self there is nothing to think nothing to say nothing to experience its just energy every where manifesting
Heartfelt THANKS for this to ALL
the real confusion is that the actors in the movie are talking about the screen .
simply outstanding interview and interplay. simply wonderful. DANKE. Big Hug.
AMAZING!! Thank you :)
purely awesome namaste
Give this guy a screen he needs it!
Thanks Deepak.
I suggest to 'blur' the boundary of physical body by 'making' it more fluid. You may see different constructs of matter in frequencies.
Thank you 🙏🏻 💕
So direct so beautiful ..
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I'm really wondering... they said they are friends. But when they meet, what do they talk about?
49:59 - Rupert, once again giving people the impression that the simple experience of being aware equates with the experiencing of pure consciousness. Why does he do this, when surely he knows it's not true?
Why do you think it is not true ?
Hmmmm I would love ❤️ to know why it’s not true... on the contrary it feels more true than anything I’ve ever had the pleasure to experience. Always open to new ways of looking at or hearing what you believe.
Chopra has been writing and teaching about this subject for decades and probably made a fortune doing that and he clearly doesn’t understand what many of us find obvious. He has a thick intellectual skull.
I have always felt Chopra was a dark character as he associates with the likes of dark elite characters. I have never ever been drawn to him and just the fact that Spira is associating with him is bringing up all kinds of doubts in his teachings now
Jonathan: I did not like your statement and I am upset at this time🙄
@@realityobserver7521 : You too, are You saying like This? 🙄
Has to be a creative source that creates along with all co-creations?
Yes. Once a decision is made to create (nature) laws / God will support that - once you quit the pursuing IT will support that also...
Time-space disappears in deep sleep. Waking up within deep sleep is enlightenment....
How would you say so ?
There are clocks ticking in your Brain and Heart..
There are circadian rhythms while in deep sleep.
There is a place for you to lay down and close your eyes.
Doesnt Time and Space exist in Mind ?
Waking up from deep sleep does mean transitioning to seep from deep sleep ?
Why cant one stay completely in deep sleep ?
What is ignorance of Mind wrt to Sleep and Deep sleep ?
Rupert! ❤️
Isnt happyness an ideal of the ego ?
I love this.
Great conversation !
oops... I fell asleep,
but I didn't dream of the streets of London.
❤️🌹
awesome message namaste
love
Does it mean that an electron is seen by consciousness, is known by consciousness and is made of consciousness?
Yes
I wish that Rupert debated Sam Harris, since Deepak blew it
Pure awareness in/as existence knows??
In case that didn't make sense. IT can only know.
Rupert is amazing. Best teacher ever as Aguiar said but I am not agree with the statement that he sent by God. Rupert is awareness. Ignorant people understand awareness as God. Every one is awareness but by ignorance each divide awareness (self) in two one as person ( I am a separateand person) and other is God (which is in heaven). Ultimate reality is non dual awareness. Not in duality as person and God. This is essence of teaching of Rupert.
can we just take a pill
tadios mann yes please 😂
:D
That's what the dormouse said.
tadios mann ....Take cyanide....it always works...
@@bradstephan7886 Boring.....!!!!!!
But even in deep sleep there is still electric activity in the brain. This only stops with death. How do you know that this awareness is not equal to that electrical noise?
Because consciousness is the source of electricity.. It is still a current, a movement of time and space. Beyond time and space, and all movement is the ever-still, the infinite "being"/beingness.
Could be explained in so many ways that makes intellectual sense, but it is late here now, and direct experience which any human can have (it is our inherent "nature" after all) is far, far more powerful, true and full on full fledged life than anything of the mind/intellect/ego, and duality, like words for example in the dynamic world.
Science is not the problem. Ignoring science is. Science very much welcomes „new“ views and has left „matter“ behind a century ago. No religion has this living transcendence. By religion, I don’t mean Rupert nor nondualism.
For me, the way Rupert describes non-dualism (aka only the screen) is in fact panpsychism.
I think he's using a seemingly dualistic metaphor as the only method available to get across conceptually the experience of non duality. Non dualism points to the unified field of experience ie the screen and the modulations ie experience playing across it, but in terms of hierarchy the field is of a different domain.
He said somewhere that Panpsychism is just a form of materialism and an error that arises from thinking “I am conscious”
but I do am conscious... as EVERYTHING!
Lol, no. Did you actually listen to this talk? ruclips.net/video/iGZ_CfLGDW0/видео.htmlm40s
Pan psychism means everything has consciousness, animals, humans, plants, objects. , he's telling the opposite, no-thing is consciousness, not animals, not humans, nothing objective, and there is actually not object-subject, just being aware of being aware, that's all there is, which is everything and no-thing.
Hundreds of spiritual celebrities, thousands of lectures on endless lecture circuits and still the same three or four examples -- the movie screen, the dream, God as infinite consciousness. The Vedanta writings are really the most beautiful, fullest and most comprehensible expressions of Advaita Vedanta. It's a shame that more people don't go back to the source but instead always need a "new" product -- a modern version, some repackaging that makes us think we are getting something novel. That's the problem with guys like Rupert -- he's just trying to use different words, like Krishnamurti did, to create his own "brand". Unfortunately the original words, which were compiled and refined over millennia are the best. Nothing surpasses the Upanishads for expressing what Spira is nibbling around. Swami Sarvrapryananda -- just sayin'.
Different teachers resonate with different people. Remember, there are as many paths as there are beings and each is unique, though ultimately the destination is the same and underneath the surface they're all saying the same thing. To say there is only one way and that is YOUR way that makes sense to you is dogmatic and myopic. Imagine a math teacher that said you HAVE to solve the problem my way and everything else is not allowed.
I spent over 20 years exploring it, been to India, studied and practiced meditation, yoga, read so many things from Advaita Vedanta, Upanishads, and self help and spiritual books, so much, even went to ashram of Ramana Maharshi, but just did not understand it and what they had found, and just thought maybe they are delusional not me, as I am mathematician and scientist as my background. I listened to Rupert several times, over 1 month, and now, Bingo!, finally it all clicks and makes sense. When I go back to the literature, again and read what I did not understand, I now understand it as clear as day, and can lecture about it and answer any questions that I am confronted with by those that do not understand. Any proverb or parable from Buddha to Christ to sages and saint is all clear as day. I am obviously not enlightened, but intellectually understand it, maybe that is the first step, as I still prefer my bodily sensations and experience of it and do a lot to gain those experiences at the expense of further practice or abstinence, or ritual and don't behave like sage, in any way. I still love my ego, and occasionally still over do it chasing elusive objects in the world of form for gratification and pleasure. So Rupert Spira's Direct Path for me removed the frustration I had of not understanding. I now believe I understand and its clear as day. I need to learn how to feel it, but understand that there is no experience in all this, as its about no experience, really. But happy to reach the end of my life with the knowing that Rupert has shown me... simple as that....too many people are smart asses passing comments as if they know better after a few minute of listening to this.
Okay. What within a moon knows its existence?. A moon doesn't have awareness?
Every Spiritual Master who claims to have realized the ultimate truth as the Self should be asked, from where the whole manifested world or human mind comes from?
If he replies that everything is manifested out of the self then he should be asked if this is in fact and truly his experience?
If he says yes, he should be asked if he CONSCIOUSLY invented e.g. the frog or created the sun?
If he says yes, well.... And if he says "no I didn't CONSCIOUSLY invented nor created anything" then ask him what "higher force" did so, that he is not aware of? And why on earth he claims to have realized the ultimate truth?
But experiences are various. Thus how can it be one thing?
There's a "shape" of the knowingness - different things feel different. How's that explained by using words like: modulation of consciousness?
lol
"l" is a thought.i am aware is a thought.what he is taking about? B.S .
I am aware of being aware is not a thought , as is the space between two thoughts you have. Talking and understanding this, and describing this and everything about this is a thought.
@@mairo0sanguineti Its not pure awareness either. I'm sure Rupert must know this by now, so why does he keep giving people the impression that the awareness he's experiencing, and taking others to, is pure awareness, when it isn't?
For me, only the experience of the movie is real. There is no screen.
Gottfried007 there'd be no movie without the screen, it's fine to not feel that you are the screen, that's part of what being an embodied character in the movie entails.
But regardless how it feels to be just the movie, the screen is what gives it its reality, so rest in that xx
I am not an embodied character in the movie, I am the entire movie. There is no separation. Even the "screen" is part of the movie...
Gottfried007 exactly!
Gottfried007 you've got it
The screen is the essential reality. The screen can exist without the movie but the movie cannot without the screen.
P
God, the audience is hopeless...
A whole of of pure nonsensical pap
This is confusing and seemingly contradictory.
There is a difference between knowing and experiencing.
Knowing - means to think about it and then know it while experience is simply being involved in the unfolding.
At the start he doesn't like how one person challenges his idea and simply keeps repeating himself until they back down.
Ridiculous - your explanation is confusing because knowing and experiencing are different.
"Knowing - means to think about it ". That's absurd. When you're experiencing sadness you just know before you have to think about it. Same is true for all other forms of experience. Something first has to be known/experienced/seen before it can be thought about. Rupert uses 'knowing' as a blanket term for all of those words. Of course ultimately no word is correct, because they reality of what i'm speaking is prior to words/thinking.
You should reread my post - you clearly misunderstood my point.
Nah, that's not gonna cut it. I perfectly understood your 'point'.
No you didn't. I'm clearly distinguishing between knowledge and experience as being different things. You conflate the two. You don't understand my point at all.
And i clearly said your distinction is wrong. What don't you understand?