References to an 800V architecture normally mean that a battery will run at 800V DC when fully charged (plus of minus a bit). Is that plus or minus a bit what you mean by saying the rated voltage is notional? There are some confusing numbers out there on sites dedicated to providing EV specs. The occasional deviation one sees between battery voltage (800V, say) and nominal voltage (
The big improvement with 3.0 Evo is the new "12 in 1" SiC power module, operating at 99.86% efficiency. This is what lets them charge faster. High-output power electronics operating with almost no losses mean they can charge at the maximum rate available on virtually any charger, regardless of the charger voltage. 800v systems previously did not have an advantage when using 400v chargers, which are the norm in many places. As mentioned by other posters, Seal already had an 800v nominal system... this lets them take full advantage of it.
Some of that sounds impossible. Smart electronics can't simply defeat and invalidate the built in voltage or current limitations of aging chargers. That is a bit like jumping over your own shadow. Plugging in from two separate chargers at the same time (if that is an available option) and letting some very advanced battery recharge management chips reconfig the internal battery circuits in a way that can use everything that both 400V chargers can output is altogether another matter. That would be feasible, viz. an 800V capable EV (which the forthcoming Seal seems to be based on current reporting) could achieve that seemingly preposterous technical feat. If BYD has done that, that is some serious technical panache. BYD is definitely on my short-list for my next vehicle purchase. Although, I, too, would prefer a Seal with the Blade 2.0.
@@chris27gea58 I said "maximum rate available on virtually any charger" nothing impossible about that. It was intentionally designed to take advantage of 400V chargers in China to charge a battery at 800v. Takes all the voltage and current available at the charger, not more than what's available, and converts it to charge the 800v battery with 99.86% efficiency. It is not going faster than the charger can output, just maximizing that output. Power electronics that up the voltage to charge the battery with higher efficency than the voltage regulation on typical DC charging. And they do have dual gun capability on several vehicles. Edit: See if you can find the translated launch video for the Sea Lion 07. They discuss it in some detail. They already have had 800v for a while, but it took this advancement in power electronics to get the maximum output from the most widely available chargers in China.
I have a RWD Seal here on the Uk, it has more than enough range. Charging speed is its "weak" point, but hasn't been a problem for me in practice. The new interior looks nice though.
Cant say i'm not somewhat dissapointed with it not having the new battery. However, I dont really care about the range, I feel the range is quite good enough in the top trim. It's more the weight. If it was the same range but lighter, it would have been an absolute winner. Having said that, I cannot wait for the update to come to Aus! I really really want one!
The increase to 800v architecture is of course welcome, but the reality is EV's charge at home 99+% of the time. In my 12 years of driving EV's, I've used a charging station 5 times, and 3 of those were simply to try them out. So about once every 6 years I needed one. That said, the difference in speed for charging on higher capacity architectures is noticeable. The first time I used a charging station out of necessity it was a slow 50kw charger - I went to get a hot chocolate and came back in an hour later to find my car at around 80% (starting at about 25%). The second was with a much faster 350kw charger, which took around 18 minutes to go from about 10% to about 80%, then 5 or 6 minutes more to get me closer to 90%. But as stated, I normally just charge at home on my 11kw charger for free (from solar or during the free electricity period from my provider). This raises an important point. I see lots of car reviews where they charge at a charging station, then tell you the cost of charging which is actually quite expensive. Even if i charged at home off peek, its just $0.08 a Kw (12:00am to 6:00am), not the $0.63 a kw/h for charging stations. If a reviewer is planning a round trip of 800km, they charge at a charging station, charge again somewhere along the way, then upon returning charge at another station. Thats 3 charging stations which of course will be close to the cost of an ICE car - a normal person would charge at home, then charge away, then charge backup at home again. Sure, some people park on the street and have no access to charging at home - but that is not the average person in Australia!
Just imagine all new 2027 byd seal with gen 4 ev platform and dry electrode byd battery pack 2.0 with 250 wh/kg pack level energy density(dry electrode has the potential of 60 percent higher active materials in LFP cathodes)and kerb weight of 1700 kg for all wheel drive 80 kwh battery pack
@@fatdoi003 yup just like diesel/petrol cars ....oh wait. New models come out yearly with improvements yet ...would you look at that? Old ones are still perfectly usable. Why does this argument come up with EVs yet nobody aknowledges that its the same for ICE cars?
@@sorinelpustiu5674I guess because EVs are more like consumer electronics than traditional ICE cars. Rapid development means a car is obsolete as soon as it leaves the factory, just like a computer. An ICE car might last up to 20 years. An EV less so. Also, EVs are often used by high mileage commercial users - which means EVs with a lot of miles are perceived to be at risk of battery failure. Stuff is only worth the price that people will pay.
The game changing feature is bi-directional charging. There is nothing wrong with the range, most people drive 20 kms per day. I want to be able to use the vehicle as a battery for my house. Faster charging yes, the charge time is quite high on this vehicle and needs improvement. Why are journalists obsessed with power figures and range numbers that are edge cases? We need to start using the sun as a power source and dramatically reduce our fuel costs and impact on the planet. As soon bi-directional charging rolls out I will sign up. Autonomous driving is a pipe dream, what for? Take the train which is superior form of transport Australia has yet to wake up to.
08:04 - yeah... that's not clever. The 🦭 will definitely come to Australia...but the Zeekr 001 only hopefully...so you night end up wauting years for the latter...and it never might come to Australia (because you have to drive on the wrong side...). Take the Seal and enjoy your life. As long as there is no autonomous driving level 5 and robotaxis you won't feel the differences anyhow.
Here's the problem when reality hits the road for the 800V architecture you and I are excited about. For example there are only 13 charging stations in all of Australia with the ability to charge at 350KW and there looks to be 3-4 different plug configurations. According to my PlugShare app. I took my Tesla M3 from Vancouver, BC Canada to Seattle, Washington and there are ZERO 350KW superchargers anywhere in the Pacific Northwest US or Canadian. My charging speed maxed out at 150KW even though the station was apparently 250KW and about 25% capacity. Super disappointing to have to wait 50 minutes to charge ~ 65% of my battery. Yes, I conditioned my battery. Sadly, I may end up taking my Prius V for our families next medium range road trip.
BYD has had 800v architecture for a while and ran into many of the real world limitations you are thinking about. While the battery was capable of charging faster, few chargers were putting out 800v or enough current to utilize the capability. Even if a charger says it can charge quickly, the actual charging tended to be slower. With the 3.0 EVO, they are using a new SiC power modules that are more efficient (99.86%) than the typical voltage regulators used in DC fast charging. This lets them charge at the maximum power output allowed by the charger, regardless of voltage, which lets them charge faster in real world situations. If you get a chance to see a translated version of the Sea Lion 07 launch conference, when they go into details on 3.0 EVO, they talk about it.
The current Seal is 800v (he incorrectly stated it is 400v in this video) but BYD capped charging at 150w, even though it is capable of higher watt charging. Not sure why though.
What about the price? Will it go up? I rather have whats available currently rather than risk a price increase in what is already an expensive but beautiful car
This new Seal with the new e-platform 3.0 EVO will feature (according to BYD themselves) the worlds highest speed mass-produced electric drive motor available in a production car. Capable of spinning up to 23,000 RPM. That's how it's able to get up to 240kmh!
@@Audios81 Current Seal is on 3.0. 3.0 EVO is an evolution of the platform. The biggest change is a new "12 in 1" silicon carbide power module, switching at a higher frequency and with 99.86% efficiency. This lets them charge faster and better control the motors, which lets them spin faster.
Shame about the interior. The current interior looks fantastic with its swoopy air vents. Reminds me of a Lexus LS. The new version looks overdone. Don't need a full with screen.
The only feature BYD could surprise me with,--- would be a higher range. Otherwise, my Premium is perfect. No improvements are possible. Charging speed? --- good enough as it is! My opinion! We are lucking fast chargers in AU. That's for sure. In the country in particular. Seal will not make it from Adelaide to Darwin! Isn't that a shame? Real 600 km. range in the Seal would be nice. Improvements in "looks" --- are not for me. Greetings Sammy. Adam. Bye.
Regarding the accident video where an old fashioned ute hit the cybertruck even autonomous driving level 3 would be enough. I bet in the future lvl won't just avoid such incapacitated human drivers but it will also be able to reverse in such a manner that the dysfunct car can be stopped with near to no damage to both cars...and without avoiding people coming from behind. Autonomous driving level 5 will be so much superior than us humans driving.
This and zeeker are showing how Tesla has been holding back to pad margins. Tesla did amazing but now real competition will push what we need 600kwh fast charging over 600 km range 600hp plus under 40k is the pint where ice will die. 666 car lol
The Seal is already at 800V architecture. And have charged at some Evie chargers and voltage reaches 700+. And not the greatest video you’ve made. Really didn’t show us much of what’s new. The interior will be the same as the new Sealion 7 that’s available in China. The only good thing looks like the LiDar for autonomous driving which should improve ICC.
Most of Sam’s info is from the internet and obviously doesn’t have connections at BYD. Sam talks with confidence but not with any authority. I would take everything he says with a grain of salt
Let me translate: BYD put out a car called the SEAL on stolen Tesla technology. However, BYD stole even more Tesla technology and will be coming out with an even better version of a cheaper inferior knock off.
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the interior of current seal is ALREADY FAR FAR BETTER than that of any tesla.
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Current Seal architecture is notionally 800V but with a total battery voltage of around 600V. It's not 400V, as stated in this video.
References to an 800V architecture normally mean that a battery will run at 800V DC when fully charged (plus of minus a bit). Is that plus or minus a bit what you mean by saying the rated voltage is notional?
There are some confusing numbers out there on sites dedicated to providing EV specs. The occasional deviation one sees between battery voltage (800V, say) and nominal voltage (
The big improvement with 3.0 Evo is the new "12 in 1" SiC power module, operating at 99.86% efficiency. This is what lets them charge faster. High-output power electronics operating with almost no losses mean they can charge at the maximum rate available on virtually any charger, regardless of the charger voltage. 800v systems previously did not have an advantage when using 400v chargers, which are the norm in many places.
As mentioned by other posters, Seal already had an 800v nominal system... this lets them take full advantage of it.
Some of that sounds impossible. Smart electronics can't simply defeat and invalidate the built in voltage or current limitations of aging chargers. That is a bit like jumping over your own shadow. Plugging in from two separate chargers at the same time (if that is an available option) and letting some very advanced battery recharge management chips reconfig the internal battery circuits in a way that can use everything that both 400V chargers can output is altogether another matter. That would be feasible, viz. an 800V capable EV (which the forthcoming Seal seems to be based on current reporting) could achieve that seemingly preposterous technical feat.
If BYD has done that, that is some serious technical panache. BYD is definitely on my short-list for my next vehicle purchase. Although, I, too, would prefer a Seal with the Blade 2.0.
@@chris27gea58 I said "maximum rate available on virtually any charger" nothing impossible about that. It was intentionally designed to take advantage of 400V chargers in China to charge a battery at 800v. Takes all the voltage and current available at the charger, not more than what's available, and converts it to charge the 800v battery with 99.86% efficiency. It is not going faster than the charger can output, just maximizing that output. Power electronics that up the voltage to charge the battery with higher efficency than the voltage regulation on typical DC charging.
And they do have dual gun capability on several vehicles.
Edit: See if you can find the translated launch video for the Sea Lion 07. They discuss it in some detail. They already have had 800v for a while, but it took this advancement in power electronics to get the maximum output from the most widely available chargers in China.
I have a RWD Seal here on the Uk, it has more than enough range. Charging speed is its "weak" point, but hasn't been a problem for me in practice.
The new interior looks nice though.
While I don't own either a hybrid or EV (yet), I gotta agree. It seems that "range anxiety" plays a huge part in people's focus on charging speeds.
@@phizzle24 yes, I think we would be much better served adding 11x 22kw chargers in carparks than most of the non-motorway 200kw+ ones going in.
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Cant say i'm not somewhat dissapointed with it not having the new battery. However, I dont really care about the range, I feel the range is quite good enough in the top trim. It's more the weight. If it was the same range but lighter, it would have been an absolute winner.
Having said that, I cannot wait for the update to come to Aus! I really really want one!
is there any more information on the sealion 7 ?
BYD got some amazing technologies
there are a couple of Seals in my neighbourhood here in Chiang Mai and I must say, they are nice looking.
The increase to 800v architecture is of course welcome, but the reality is EV's charge at home 99+% of the time. In my 12 years of driving EV's, I've used a charging station 5 times, and 3 of those were simply to try them out. So about once every 6 years I needed one.
That said, the difference in speed for charging on higher capacity architectures is noticeable. The first time I used a charging station out of necessity it was a slow 50kw charger - I went to get a hot chocolate and came back in an hour later to find my car at around 80% (starting at about 25%). The second was with a much faster 350kw charger, which took around 18 minutes to go from about 10% to about 80%, then 5 or 6 minutes more to get me closer to 90%. But as stated, I normally just charge at home on my 11kw charger for free (from solar or during the free electricity period from my provider).
This raises an important point. I see lots of car reviews where they charge at a charging station, then tell you the cost of charging which is actually quite expensive. Even if i charged at home off peek, its just $0.08 a Kw (12:00am to 6:00am), not the $0.63 a kw/h for charging stations. If a reviewer is planning a round trip of 800km, they charge at a charging station, charge again somewhere along the way, then upon returning charge at another station. Thats 3 charging stations which of course will be close to the cost of an ICE car - a normal person would charge at home, then charge away, then charge backup at home again. Sure, some people park on the street and have no access to charging at home - but that is not the average person in Australia!
The new BYD Seal should come with the newer battery technology 2.0 as you said.
Does the Sealion 6 have the upgraded battery pack?
BYD Seal s hot..would be hotter in a wagon config.
Call it the BYD Orca.
Just imagine all new 2027 byd seal with gen 4 ev platform and dry electrode byd battery pack 2.0 with 250 wh/kg pack level energy density(dry electrode has the potential of 60 percent higher active materials in LFP cathodes)and kerb weight of 1700 kg for all wheel drive 80 kwh battery pack
that's why i think it's best to lease EV cars as 2nd hand prices maybe very low with such quick turnover
@@fatdoi003 yup just like diesel/petrol cars ....oh wait.
New models come out yearly with improvements yet ...would you look at that?
Old ones are still perfectly usable.
Why does this argument come up with EVs yet nobody aknowledges that its the same for ICE cars?
@@sorinelpustiu5674I guess because EVs are more like consumer electronics than traditional ICE cars. Rapid development means a car is obsolete as soon as it leaves the factory, just like a computer. An ICE car might last up to 20 years. An EV less so. Also, EVs are often used by high mileage commercial users - which means EVs with a lot of miles are perceived to be at risk of battery failure. Stuff is only worth the price that people will pay.
The game changing feature is bi-directional charging. There is nothing wrong with the range, most people drive 20 kms per day. I want to be able to use the vehicle as a battery for my house. Faster charging yes, the charge time is quite high on this vehicle and needs improvement. Why are journalists obsessed with power figures and range numbers that are edge cases? We need to start using the sun as a power source and dramatically reduce our fuel costs and impact on the planet. As soon bi-directional charging rolls out I will sign up. Autonomous driving is a pipe dream, what for? Take the train which is superior form of transport Australia has yet to wake up to.
2024 April Seal AWD still on 2401 version haven’t got any update
08:04 - yeah... that's not clever. The 🦭 will definitely come to Australia...but the Zeekr 001 only hopefully...so you night end up wauting years for the latter...and it never might come to Australia (because you have to drive on the wrong side...).
Take the Seal and enjoy your life. As long as there is no autonomous driving level 5 and robotaxis you won't feel the differences anyhow.
what will be the price tho?
Here's the problem when reality hits the road for the 800V architecture you and I are excited about. For example there are only 13 charging stations in all of Australia with the ability to charge at 350KW and there looks to be 3-4 different plug configurations. According to my PlugShare app.
I took my Tesla M3 from Vancouver, BC Canada to Seattle, Washington and there are ZERO 350KW superchargers anywhere in the Pacific Northwest US or Canadian. My charging speed maxed out at 150KW even though the station was apparently 250KW and about 25% capacity. Super disappointing to have to wait 50 minutes to charge ~ 65% of my battery. Yes, I conditioned my battery.
Sadly, I may end up taking my Prius V for our families next medium range road trip.
BYD has had 800v architecture for a while and ran into many of the real world limitations you are thinking about. While the battery was capable of charging faster, few chargers were putting out 800v or enough current to utilize the capability. Even if a charger says it can charge quickly, the actual charging tended to be slower. With the 3.0 EVO, they are using a new SiC power modules that are more efficient (99.86%) than the typical voltage regulators used in DC fast charging. This lets them charge at the maximum power output allowed by the charger, regardless of voltage, which lets them charge faster in real world situations. If you get a chance to see a translated version of the Sea Lion 07 launch conference, when they go into details on 3.0 EVO, they talk about it.
The current Seal is 800v (he incorrectly stated it is 400v in this video) but BYD capped charging at 150w, even though it is capable of higher watt charging. Not sure why though.
What about the price? Will it go up? I rather have whats available currently rather than risk a price increase in what is already an expensive but beautiful car
Orderd the 2023 model 2 weeks ago
This new Seal with the new e-platform 3.0 EVO will feature (according to BYD themselves) the worlds highest speed mass-produced electric drive motor available in a production car. Capable of spinning up to 23,000 RPM. That's how it's able to get up to 240kmh!
...240 kmh...nobody needs that. The majority starts to get insecure even with 100 kmh.
The bearings will survive 50000km 😂
The current Seal is on the e-platform 3.0 EVO with 800v architecture
@@Audios81 Current Seal is on 3.0. 3.0 EVO is an evolution of the platform. The biggest change is a new "12 in 1" silicon carbide power module, switching at a higher frequency and with 99.86% efficiency. This lets them charge faster and better control the motors, which lets them spin faster.
What's the point unless you live in Germany or NL?
Extra 250kg in towing would be a nice option?
Yep, I think it is surprising, that they didn’t gave the car a new battery.
Other sedan in the same price range in china give significant batter range and bigger size.
Shame about the interior. The current interior looks fantastic with its swoopy air vents. Reminds me of a Lexus LS. The new version looks overdone. Don't need a full with screen.
"quite fast for an electric car" or "quite fast for a car" :)
wow the infection in your eye is getting worse. Have you tried antibiotic eyedrops?
The Covid vaccine is finally kicking in. 3 years anniversary.
The only feature BYD could surprise me with,--- would be a higher range. Otherwise, my Premium is perfect. No improvements are possible. Charging speed? --- good enough as it is! My opinion! We are lucking fast chargers in AU. That's for sure. In the country in particular. Seal will not make it from Adelaide to Darwin! Isn't that a shame? Real 600 km. range in the Seal would be nice. Improvements in "looks" --- are not for me. Greetings Sammy. Adam. Bye.
I thought Gen 3 Evo had blade 2.0. That’s disappointing
Come on BYD with BYD blade battery 2.0
there is no way zeekr 001 will be priced similarly to seal. 001 is significantly more expensive in china.
Seals in Malaysia has a single phase OBC which is fucked up.
know nothing about this. What does a tesla have? 3 phase?
@@adriannathaniel4015 all Seals do. In Australia it's capped at 7kw but European Seals can get the full 11kw
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2025 seallion DMI 2000KM range 😃
No wonder the seal is being flogged at driveway prices.
Don’t listen to Sam, he has no idea
A real shame the charge port is on the right-hand side and not the left, like a Tesla. That would be a really beneficial upgrade, too.
It's not clear why you think following the Tesla would be a good thing. Imagine a right hand drive having to go around to the flap. Come on
@@thetad1242 It’s much easier to take a few extra steps than move a charger, no?
Regarding the accident video where an old fashioned ute hit the cybertruck even autonomous driving level 3 would be enough. I bet in the future lvl won't just avoid such incapacitated human drivers but it will also be able to reverse in such a manner that the dysfunct car can be stopped with near to no damage to both cars...and without avoiding people coming from behind.
Autonomous driving level 5 will be so much superior than us humans driving.
Awesome looking vehicle old version or the new both excellent.
Strange.. so the newer performance is less powerful?.. the current one is already 800v and 390kW. Also the new interior is horrible IMHO.
This and zeeker are showing how Tesla has been holding back to pad margins. Tesla did amazing but now real competition will push what we need
600kwh fast charging over 600 km range 600hp plus under 40k is the pint where ice will die.
666 car lol
Miles, Sam, miles please.
If there are glaring weaknesses, then it's not a fantastic car.
The Seal is already at 800V architecture. And have charged at some Evie chargers and voltage reaches 700+.
And not the greatest video you’ve made. Really didn’t show us much of what’s new. The interior will be the same as the new Sealion 7 that’s available in China. The only good thing looks like the LiDar for autonomous driving which should improve ICC.
"it's" missing.
Mate you look like needing some sleep 😂😴
Most of Sam’s info is from the internet and obviously doesn’t have connections at BYD. Sam talks with confidence but not with any authority. I would take everything he says with a grain of salt
Yeah ok viking. BYD stock down tesla.down, rivian down, Volkswagen down. And no comments about this from viking. All we get is crickets.😂
byddy NOT down like tesla
A real company don't care about dtock markey
???
BYD 192.6 CNY - 2 Jan 2024
lol. Why do the stock prices matter?
@@jonathanfields4ever go tell the investors your comment. Lol
Let me translate: BYD put out a car called the SEAL on stolen Tesla technology. However, BYD stole even more Tesla technology and will be coming out with an even better version of a cheaper inferior knock off.
What a looser😅 . Basically everything BYD do better is stolen
What a load of rubbish, Tesla buys byd batteries and other components from other chinese companies.
Why don't you file a case against BYD on your claim? Youmay make some money!
@@PahatRout I do not have standing.