Whats interesting is that Cell actually got distracted by Goku's presence. He legit put his ultimate goal for perfection aside and wanted to fight Goku instead. The cells of the saiyans pretty much influenced his decisions too. But still shows how godly Goku's representation is
It's because he's been told his whole existence that Goku is this legendary ultimate warrior and all of the sudden he just appears right in front of him
David Gonzales Yet still people will defend that dub and call Kai the bad one. Nostalgia is blinding old dub purist. They can't see past their childhood version. With their mindset you can't ever like new things. As it wasn't apart of their childhood. They don't care Kai is Dragon Ball they seemingly wanted it to be a carbon copy of the original dub. Even then they would bash Kai for not having a difference to warrant their time. You just can't win with those people of the fandom.
I prefer how natural z sounds. but kais good hereto. but z they sound like they're naturally talking. plus I like the GRRR! from the z version. showed anger where needed
Give me Kai's voice acting and art with Bruce falconer's music. Mix the Z and Kai scripts here and there. That is the recipe for the ultimate experience.
+Naomi Washinton Agreed. It just sucks that each version of DBZ has its weaknesses. Kai would be amazing with Bruce Falconer, a Gohan voice actor that doesn't sound crazy high-pitched, and had all the blood in it. It sucks that we can't have the best of both worlds.
+MugenHeadNinja I think it has something to do with them being closer to the manga and only showing the necessary amount of blood, and something to do with Japanese T.V. standards.
“That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard..You’re too weak today but tomorrow you’re going to magically beat me!? ...KEK” If I was Cell I’d think it was ridiculous too. Lol
No, its because the japanese music doesnt suit at all. I don't care if its actual instruments because its annoying. I'd rather not watch a show with people fucking eachother up over a background of frail drums, flutes and trumpets.
@@5Ci0N what are you even talking about dumb ass? He wants the much better orginal sound track but with the new voice acting and re edited footage of kai
This is one of those moments where I wish Yamamoto didn't get caught because the original music for Kai was so good. I hated that they got rid of ALL his tracks because he actually did compose some music of his own. People forget that he didn't steal THAT much music, allot of tracks actually were his to begin with.
Ones with chord progressions that have already been copied before should never be considered plagiarism. That is how Led Zeppelin was able to make it out of the lawsuits many times.
That was so dumb and unnecessary. Yea that'll show em Goku. Nobody does that. Perhaps a groan or a growl but not guh. Cell doesn't even question how the hell Goku got there so fast.
Kai takes the mantle of the pinnacle of dubs. It remains faithful and is performed superbly. 10+ years of experience will do that for you. Funimation has come a long way from "gah I'll make you pay Cell."
@@tatersalad76 To be fair I actually miss a lot of filler in Kai. The dub is better but I still prefer the original anime if I was watching it in Japanese.
Some dialogues I enjoy from the old dub, but Kai have some very impressive dialogues that improved over a lot of the original. Although Kai follows the manga, I wish it included filler episodes.
I wish Kai still had the good filler without the boring ones. Some of which are still in Kai for whatever reason. That or the Kai casting and scripts but for all Dragon Ball anime. Viz did both for Sailor Moon and the remake so why not Funimation with Dragon Ball? It would require another re-release that they would screw up though. That's another thing Dragon Ball Z is cursed over here when it comes to home releases.
Not only is the voice acting better in Kai, but the dialogue is a lot better here. It makes Goku feel more powerful/immovable and less like a little kid trying to act tough.
The Dialogue in Kai goes too fast and is solely stating the obvious, no tension, no personality, just Cell telling the audience what they know already. Maybe the acting is better and the removal of a blank moment, but aside that the garbage overused High School marching band music ruins the moment further.
Totally. A good example of Kai's greatness is in the last moments of the final Frieza battle, after Goku gives him a last chance. He fires that laser and says "YOU FOOL." Goku's Kai voice actor screaming that sent chills down my spine and it's one of my favorite moments in the series. Kai really does DBZ justice.
Original DBZ is like Sonic Adventure 1. It was really great back in the day, but it just doesn't fit the same bill these days. DBZ Kai is Sonic Generations Speed Highway.
DroidArmyLeader Well, duh. But a lot of people aren't open to watching something that's from a long time ago. It's understandable. That's why they DID Kai. -So other people could experience it in a modern way. Chill with the sarcasm.
I like the dramatic part where Cell charges at Goku and Goku's in shock but seconds later he's serious and knows he has to get out of there and live to fight another day
@@LadyOfTheEdits you can tell by the colors and cleaned up line work that kai is the second one. and the first one has faulconer's score which is only in dragon ball z
Heres how i believe it could be done, if we were to have a version that would satisfy almost everyone! Animation: Kai wins this one, the modernized version is just to superior. Voices Actors: The Cast of Kai is better, however i would have Colleen Clickenbeard voice Gohan as little kid, THEN! I would have Stephanie Nadolny voice him when he's pre teen. That way Gohan will have an apropiate voice for a little kid and sound like a total badass when he turns SSJ 2. Dub: The old version sounds more natural and there are a lot of lines that i really miss... However the old version also contains lines that are (lets face it) pretty dumb, corny and senseless. Plus in terms of voice acting, the Kai dub is surperior. Music: Everyone wins! - Saiyan Saga: Kikuchi score - Frieza Saga: Yamamoto score - Cell Saga: Faulconer score - Buu Saga: Sumitomo score
For the Cell Saga I would still choose the Kikuchi score especially for the song used when Gohan goes Super Saiyan 2, though you only hear it in the Original Japanese version.
I can’t stomach the Faulconer score, it’s just noise meant as filler, most of the themes make me feel like I’m watching daytime television in the afternoon instead of watching a fun fighting anime.
Falcouner's soundtrack is much, much more exciting, tense, and memorable because of its uniqueness. You have characters with otherworldly powers and abilties, aliens, cyborgs, genetic abominations and psychotic infantile demons. All with the capacity to destroy planets, conquer the galaxy, shape the universe. The techno and light rock creates a sense of dread and foreboding in the quiet moments, power and excitement in the battles. Goku's theme when he goes SSJ conveys rage, surging power, and transformation. The classical Japanese soundtrack is just...generic. You could place it to any animation or movie and get the same effect. It's not taking advantage of the setting and characters. It's not conveying Dragonball Z's uniqueness. It's orchestral woodwinds and brass. I'd even going so far as to say it's outdated for the show it's put to. It would better fit something from the sixties or even fifties. It takes no risks, and makes no effort to be recognizable. Some tracks fit sadder scenes better than Falcouner, but that's about it. From Dragonball through DBZ the Japanese soundtrack feels stock and recycled. Terribly recycled as certain battle tunes feel utterly indistinguishable from Kid Goku fighting King Piccolo to SSJ Goku fighting Frieza. Faulconer is unmistakable. Even if it isn't the best in some places, when it shines it really shines. Vegeta's theme, Gohan Angers, Pikkon theme, SSJ3 theme. These all signify iconic moments of the franchise. With the Japanese soundtrack all these moments are scored roughly the same with little to make the scenes stand out. That's where it fails the most.
My issue with the Falcouner track. It never fucking turned off. Literally every second of the show had music playing when silence would've been better. It's not like Kai doesn't have rock music, but only in short bursts so it doesn't get old. Example, the fight between Cell and Trunks is fucking badass in Kai.
Tiberius Kirk I get your point and I can agree on most of what you said (even though I do like the Japanese Soundtracks more), but as I said elsewhere, Faulconers Music (as functional as it is most of the time) doesnt mesh well with Emotional Moments like Vegetas Death(s) or Gokus sacrifice. Faulconers Music for these Scenes just sounded too cold and distanced for my taste.
Tiberius Kirk A lot of people always tend to use the word 'techno rock' to describe the US soundtrack of DBZ, which is a little annoying. Faulconer productions uses synthesizers as their main tool which I absolutely love, especially for old school horror movies. they're a VERY powerful tool at creating emotion, atmosphere, driving a scene and being incredibly memorable. Anyways, no brainer...Kai's voice acting eclipses Z's in this scene. But that's not always the case. I find a lot of Z's dialogue to be larger than life, more memorable and to the point, where as kai's can often be a little overexplanitory, as if characters are relishing every single word they say as if they're reading from a script. 'Acting' is good but they don't feel like real people in kai in comparison to how they do in Z IMO. Also, the original JAP soundtrack is laughably bad here, corny and goofy. Faulconer wins again.
***** Falconer doesn't convey any emotion or atmosphere it's just an "in your face" soundtrack that just manages to get people's attention And the replacement music in kai pales in comparison to yamamoto And Z's dialogue means nothing, just hammy and corny speeches, that do nothing to plot or characterization, and I'd love to find out how that script sounds at all "real" to you Kai's actually characterizes them and isn't as forced as Z's.
Goku: I'd really like to teach you a lesson! But I need one more day before I'm strong enough to go up against you! *Gets 10 more days* Goku: I give up.
Although I'm a original version die hard, I actually have to praise the Dragonball Z Kai English dubbed version for doing justice to the original dialog. I know the original dialogue almost at heart so I know it's pretty accurate especially compared to the old English dub by Funimation. So yeah, the new dub is for teens and up, while the old one is for kids.
Which one is the original dialogue? Funimation right? I love the Kai dub too. The Funimation dub does seem like they speak slower as if kids were watching, but I hate the cuts that are in Kai. Is there a dub that has the original video and and american soundtrack with a different dub other than ocean?
The original dialogue and most accurate one is located in the Japanese version, being an anime, of course that's where the original version is. Even Funimation admitted that this Kai dub is a lot more accurate compared to their first dub of Dragon Ball. There are many dub comparison videos out there. "DBZ English vs. Japanese [Saiyan Saga]" for example
Ummmm... "So yeah, the new dub is for teens and up, while the old one is for kids"...What?? HAhaha Ooohh Kayyy Mr. mature. If anything, kids will never watch the old one because... why would they? They would have to buy DVDs or find videos elsewhere for a version that is... Older. While the 'New' version is on NICKELODEON (originally for US). But yes. I too praise them for adhering to stricter standards of translation, to do the original script justice here in the states. And that is awesome you know the dialogue by heart! Seriously. Though with that said, I somehow prefer the 'Old' version better. Maybe it is nostalgia, or maybe I really do feel more emotion and gritty tension from the original... Who knows?
***** Agree 100%. Whenever there's a discussion about Z vs. Kai, the "censored" version of Kai always gets brought up. Most people ignore the fact that there is an uncut version. The voice acting in Kai is superb as most of the voice actors have gained a lot of experience over the years since the original. For example that clip of Cell in the original sounds absolutely horrible but in Kai he's a lot more intimidating. I think people are letting nostalgia influence their decision too much.
The Remastered dub improves a lot on the old dub to a degree... but I honestly think it doesn't do enough to beat Kai and I think in part it comes to that air of inexperience that these voices have. Take for example Schemmel's Goku. This was clearly during the era where it seems their line of thinking was Goku's voice should always sound kinda high in pitch. This is a problem that's present with a lot of the old dub performances I'm finding, actors were clearly given the direction to just do a voice and due to their inexperience they chose to try and maintain them... at the expense of their range. Here, it sounds like Goku's confused, like this is a man that kind of doesn't know how to actually be serious. In Kai, the voice actually has a different tone, it distinctly sounds like Goku still but it actually sounds serious and it makes the threat sound that much more impactful and then when Goku senses Piccolo? It shifts into sounding like actual surprise. The next problem is the music which to be fair is present in both but the difference is that for Kai it's understandable to a degree because the version of Kai from this point that's legally available is the one where they replaced the original Kenji Yamamoto score with the Shunsuke Kikuchi one... and rather hastily which results in moments where the score does not match the vibe of the scene. The Faulconer one clearly had more time put into it so it naturally at least sounds like it's properly timed to the scene... but then another problem comes up, the Faulconer score... does not fit Dragon Ball. This industrial drone mixed with synth just doesn't work for this scene and while it's not an issue highlighted with this moment? There's also the problem with the score never stopping at any point to let a scene breathe.
I actually liked the filler episodes of original, season 7 is actually one of my favorites. It gives DBZ more personality than just power struggles, it also makes the characters more dynamic. However the fights are the best.
Filler episodes provided meaning as well, as Gohan was able to enjoy life and see exactly what he was fighting for. This allowed him to gather the emotions necessary to transform against Cell. I didn’t know that these episodes were ‘filler’ until I was an adult.
I prefer the original over kai cause of one main reason bruce faulcanor that's what dbz kai was lacking I give kai credit the voice acting is spot on love the quality
***** lol I used to but today I was checkin out some comparisons. Man I saw the difference and it was a good one. I'd love to see a fusion between the Kai dub and the original soundtrack by Bruce. That would be frkn amazing!
Bad voices. Laughable voice acting. Inaccurate script. The constant background noise known as the Bruce Faulconer score. There's a couple of voices I prefer in the original dub and a couple of Faulconer tracks that are great, but, for the most part, it's just bad. As an adult, I honestly can't watch it seriously anymore.
To be honest, while Faulconer made some banger ost's, for me some of his songs don't fit with the overall scene and feeling of it. That's maybe the editors fault for not using a proper one for some scenes, this one included, but it sounds calm but uneasy at the same time, making me think that it should've been used for someone like Piccolo for a scene when he's meditating than this one *for example* (maybe they did and can't remember because it's been a while since I've watched the OG DUB and SUB) while Kai's song kind of maintains the original score's vibe from the OG Z ( the japanese dub which I like it more, might be biased but in this case, the feeling of what these scenes tried to tell, Faulconer's just does not fit for me). The newer score has this emergency yet grand feeling of what's happening right now and a build up towards what's about to come very soon. Cell is an absolute menace, so by just staring at him while being on the run to train and save others, gives you this feeling of danger. Now that I think about it, I might've heard it during the original japanese sub, it's familiar for me at least. Yup it is, just looked it up and it's BGM-M1405. Anyways, the japanese score in general fits more within DBZ than Faulconer's for the most part imo.
What is with all of the awkward pauses in the old dub? It sounds so bad. The dialogue itself really doesn't help. I think you can tell which way I'm leaning.
I've never really realized how much Goku's dialogue in the original version of dragon ball Z sounds like something out of a sentai anime or like something out of power rangers. 😂
I know Jason DeMarco (Co-creator of TOONAMI) showed this clip on TOONAMI Pre-Flight and discussed this with his longtime intern Gill Austin that they don't like Bruce Faulconer's score to which I say to each their own. I prefer bruce's score over the original japanese music.
jdg20042001 Someone not killing others for different opinions! lol, I've kind of always been a little on the fence as to which I actually prefer myself. My favorite soundtrack was the Kenji Yamamoto score from the earlier Kai dub, but between Bruce Faulconer and Shunsuke Kikuchi (composer of the original DBZs score in Japanese and for Kai now too) I think nostalgia aside it kind of comes down to the age old question with soundtracks in general, ie is it better to have a soundtrack with good music or a soundtrack that's well utilized. On it's own the Faulconer track is better than Kikuchi's clearly IMO, but with the Kikuchi score the directors for the series knew precisely what they wanted to convey at a given time and they were using Kikuchi, and that shows there so it's pretty clearly utilized better.
How on Earth do people really think the original FUNi dub is better than Kai? I loved the original when I was a kid, but looking back and comparing the two, it's clear which is better. Those who are saying Kai sucks are insulting the original manga, as Kai draws directly from that for dialogue.
No one gives a fuck. People can prefer other dialogue then how it was written. And Gohans new voice and the garbage corny music in Kai is pathetic for the shows atmosphere.
Super Sand Legend The original voice sounded like a 15 year old even when he was supposed to be 7 early on. Also, the Yamamoto score for Kai is incredible. It actually fits with the tone of each scene and the emotions the characters are supposed to be going through, similar to the original Japanese score. Lastly, if you're gonna present a counter-argument to my post, please don't come off so rude like "no one gives a fuck." Really?
Zenith "It actually fits with the tone of each scene and the emotions the characters are supposed to be going through." I'm done lol. You weren't born in the 90's. And who gives a shit again if you think that ear sore of a Gohan voice actor fits him? That's opinion buddy. It's all passive, so I couldn't care less of what you think of it. Yet that voice actor makes everyone fucking cringe. Especially how that shit is for kid Goku too. Horrible. Valediction m8.
Super Sand Legend Excuse me? I'm 22 years old going for a degree in audio engineering. I grew up watching this series. You're trying to tell me that hard rock/synth conveys more emotion than the Kai score? I love how you're trying to say "well that's just your OPINION!!!!!" when you're also shouting opinion at me. It's all opinion. It's a matter of how you back it in a discussion, and you're not doing so well on your end. "that voice actor makes EVERYONE cringe" - oh really, so you know everyone who's watched Kai?
DBZ remaster looks horrid in image and the music is just loud and obnoxious. FUNimation shit stained all over the quality. The best quality we will ever have is either the DragonBox or the Level set blu rays.
I heard a lot of complaints about the image of dbz remastered but when it comes to the music, at least in my opinion its great. I personally prefer that over the music in kai.
Yet somehow people delude themselves into thinking the original dub is a masterpiece. "It’s so natural you don’t get this level of fun voice acting anymore!" Yeah if I pulled someone from the street then threw them into the studio and asked them to sight read the script I’m sure that’s as natural as it gets lol.
@@SIVmagu I get what you mean. Of course most people should probably understand that "Z" typically refers to the FUNimation dub and "Kai" refers to the Kai FUNimation dub.
@@kimahribrown3843 He has a point. Both of the dubs in the video are by FUNimation. If you refer to only one as the FUNimation dub, someone might not understand your meaning as they're both FUNimation. It's more practical to call them the "Z Dub" and "Kai Dub" rather than the "FUNimation Dub" and the "Kai Dub" which is redundant and confusing because they're both FUNimation.
@@kimahribrown3843 Nigga. You came to this 2 year old comment to start talking shit to someone who is objectively right all because you thought you were cool. Take you, and your ugly ass baby sisters and get out my mentions bro.
Bruce Faulconer and his team did a wonderful job making each scene more intense and capturing! The old Original Funimation dub is my preferred version!
You and me both. Obviously Kai is going to have better production because it was released way later. It sounded smoother, but overall energy, likeness, and most importantly the music made it what it is. Had it not been for that, who knows if DBZ would've made it to the extreme lengths that it did. My proffered version also
Honestly, I don’t know which is better. I grew up with the original dub from Cartoon Network and the CD and enjoyed very much, especially with the Faulconer music going on in the show and the acting was great too despite the dialogue being a somewhat off kilter with the manga series. But even though I love the nostalgic feeling the original gives, there is a lot in the Kai dub that corrects the mistakes beforehand. The voice acting has improved significantly. Not to mention that the dialogue in it follows the storyline better than the original. However, the soundtrack (in my opinion) does not have the same kind of feeling as it does with the original dub. To me the music is better in the original than Kai. And the visual images changes visually looks odd. not saying it’s bad, the art looks great. Just it looks odd when the pictures switch from a rough 90s look to a smoother 2010s correction, then back to the 90s. All in all, each version shares some differences and they both have features that could be improved in some aspects, but both are awesome to watch. Why? Cause it’s Dragon Ball, dammit!!
I don't understand how people like Z. Goku sounds so corny, saying shit like "HRnGHgg i'll make you PAY cell" and Cell's dialogue there is shit, he doesn't even question how Goku got there and is like "oh goku it's so nice to meet you" Kai just sounds so much more natural, and the Kikuchi score in the background makes it more engaging
Some people prefer z mostly for the nostalgia. As far as the music goes, while faulconer is a hit or miss depending who you’re talking to, kikuchi in Kai is universally crapped on. People love it in z but not in Kai.
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the score is trash imo, but the kai is better in dub
Remastered Version voice acting just rubs you the wrong way. There are too many pauses in between dialogue and shots and the voice acting is so laughably contrived.
Even though I grew up with the original it's obvious that Kai's writing and voice acting are objectively better. People who say otherwise need to take off the nostalgia goggles.
Sorry but as someone who just finished dragon ball again, I like z more as it fits that same style. If you're going from dragon ball to Z, it flows much better. The voice acting is better I'll give you that. But the way the lines are written feel closer to the style of the original dragon ball anime. Especially since the filler is cut out from Kai. So final verdict Kai: better voice acting, more plot/fight based. Z: smoother experience if you're coming from dragon ball/similar style
Both adaptations of the dubs are good. They each excel in there own right. All though I do prefer the BF Score the new music isn't bad at all. At first a thought Kai was a washed down Z, from what I had heard. But once I watched it it's very good. Kai definitely has very good voice actin and diologue. I equally respect both.... like for Christ sakes we have 2 very great versions of the legendary Dragonball Z!!!! I enjoy both of them alot.
I was a HUGE fan of DBZ back in the day and a part of me still is. Although looking back on it now, the dialogue was corny and drawn out at times. Kai's dialogue is succinct and to the point. The one thing that pisses me off is the new soundtrack. The original was way better!
Nahh the kai score is very good imo, just because it isnt rock n roll and all modern type of music doesnt mean it isnt bad. Kai is music is more like real orchestra music and its really good and intense. Just watch gohans kamehameha against cell in kai. The music fits very well
@@dan_4531 exactly I like the original ost but Kai does have a pretty good ost my favorites mainly being dragon soul and the "next time on dragon Ball Kai" song(there were two of these, one before and after the Android saga they are both really good)
"waa marching band music is bad" This isn't supposed to be there, the original track is very different, they changed it because the compositor for Kai got fired, then they used tracks from the og DBZ, however, the placement was...odd
There are seriously people out there that think the original has better acting and music? in the original Funi dub Sean's delivery is so awkward and all over the place. Nostalgia is one hell of a drug.
It’s still worse with the fandom to this day, I’ve seen people mock and insult others if they so much as even consider the possibility that the Kai dub is unanimously superior. Sure, the original Funi dub absolutely has its moments, but nostalgia truly is one hell of a drug. Also weird how usually people hate when a dub doesn’t stick to the manga material but somehow the original funi gets a pass when it’s all over the place.
I feel like the one thing the Funimation dub has over Kai is the music. That, and the ability to poor nostalgia into people's eyes and blind them as if it were chlorine bleach.
limpingzombie I'm glad you have accepted me as your brother-in-law. As for her attributes, I don't think you should talk so openly about your family traits...
+Illusive Serb Well, she's adopted. We felt bad, who wants a herpes infected mongoloid? Aside from you. I guess we all need something to make us feel better about ourselves
Gimme the Japanese with English subs any day. But if I had to pick a dub, Kai hands down. At least they stood close to the dialogue that Akira Toriyama wrote.
Do people like the old dub because of it’s what they grew up with? Or cuz of the music? Or the voice acting? Like I’m baffled when people say that they can’t watch Kai because the music and the voice acting lol
+Flora Lynphea Did you mean over saturated? Plus being cropped from it's original aspect ratio effectively RUINING the original look. Plus Kai is the original footage from the 90s it's just remastered in HD. The only thing that's cropped from 4:3 to 16:9 in Kai is the Buu saga. Honestly, it looks like for that saga that it is was sourced from the Orange Bricks.
Anyone who isn't blinded by nostalgia can see the fact that Kai is better. Everything about it is better. The music, the acting, and the animation. Kai haters don't know shit about quality.
When Goku looked around sensing Piccolo's, alive and said “Hold on Piccolo, I'll be there in just a second!" Then how Cell said “What!!!?" Was funny to me.
I hate how the old dub would always give Goku extra/changed dialogue to make him more of a stereotypical good guy. All that talk about ending Cell's reign of terror isn't really something Goku would say.
Dragon Ball Z Kai is the only English anime dub that I actually enjoy listening to; the writing is creative within its limitations and the voice acting is comparatively not shit.
Kai feels like Goku is more mature and Cell is more caught off gaurd. But in OG Z Goku sounds more bashful and Cell is more confident. I think Kai fits both of their characters more because Goku in the manga is more level headed and mature and Cell is always too cocky, so anything he didn't anticipate scares him.
I know, Cell acknowledges how did Goku just appear. And he addressed how it made no sense Goku needed one day to train to defeat him, Cell didn’t seem that confused about that statement in the other dub.
Gamertagger Yes he would. He’s said similar shit to that in Kai before. After he beat Frieza, he told him something like “your days of tormenting the universe are over”.
The thing about the original is the fact that it did have suspenseful timing with how it was paced. Sure, Kai has better voice acting and a faster pace, but the original had the suspenseful Faulconer music playing in this scene, as well as well timed shots and pans to make it seem so stressful that Goku is literally standing in front of this enemy who could kill him at any given moment.
Good argument but overall it doesn't warrent a pass for Zs terrible acting and dialogue at times Goku was just horrible at first. Now his voice actor is one of the very best and it all started with Kai
"Nrgh I'll make you pay cell" Good joke,plus implying that freeza's chain smoking grandma voice is in any way shape or form better than Chris' freeza which is how the character should sound like or badass in any way shows how low your standards are.
and gohan doesn't sound like a whiney spoiled little girl, first it just sounds super generic and out of place, and into the androids/cell saga he sounds legit idiotic. Bulma and 18 suck in the newer dubs too. The change of Frieza was a big one, and I blame laziness for it not coming off better in Kai emotionally, yes closer to the japanese version but the emotion that linda young kicked out was far scarier and well done.
The 2007 "remaster" is not actually a different voice from Sean. Sean only re-mastered up to when he arrived to fight the Ginyu Force, and Chris only until Goku's arrival on Earth. From there, it's all the same as 2000-2003.
I just like the score created by Faulconer Productions more. I watched some Kai and just couldn't get into it, luckily I have my Orange DVD Boxset and can enjoy my preferred version of DBZ as often as I please!
Chris Sabat has on multiple occasions voiced his dissatisfaction for the original dub of DBZ. He said that there are many scenes that he wishes he had the opportunity to re-dub due to the weak script he and the rest of the cast had to work with. Kai gave him and the rest of the cast the opportunity to correct such mistakes. Objectively speaking, there is no doubt it's the better show.
Yeah, also from what I heard he mentioned the idea of re-scripting the movies to add the better dialogue because the old dub for the bardock special (not the lord chill one) for example is definitely way different on the Japanese dub than the English side.
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Whats interesting is that Cell actually got distracted by Goku's presence. He legit put his ultimate goal for perfection aside and wanted to fight Goku instead. The cells of the saiyans pretty much influenced his decisions too.
But still shows how godly Goku's representation is
It's because he's been told his whole existence that Goku is this legendary ultimate warrior and all of the sudden he just appears right in front of him
Also gero made him like any android soul purpose but the saiyan cells do play into cells actions
Goku was always the big hero who surpassed all odds, basically Cell saw the main character in him.
i mean, he has both vegeta AND freiza's dna, so it makes sense on top of gero's programming
It's amazing how Cell is able to keep a jaw breaker in his mouth the whole time.
An example of great voice acting
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GAAAAH I'll make you PAY, Cell.
Wtf was that 😂
That shit was weird asf😂 and awkward
That part was always awkward asf to me...even as a child
David Gonzales Yet still people will defend that dub and call Kai the bad one. Nostalgia is blinding old dub purist. They can't see past their childhood version. With their mindset you can't ever like new things. As it wasn't apart of their childhood. They don't care Kai is Dragon Ball they seemingly wanted it to be a carbon copy of the original dub. Even then they would bash Kai for not having a difference to warrant their time. You just can't win with those people of the fandom.
I prefer how natural z sounds. but kais good hereto. but z they sound like they're naturally talking. plus I like the GRRR! from the z version. showed anger where needed
Give me Kai's voice acting and art with Bruce falconer's music. Mix the Z and Kai scripts here and there. That is the recipe for the ultimate experience.
+Naomi Washinton Agreed. It just sucks that each version of DBZ has its weaknesses. Kai would be amazing with Bruce Falconer, a Gohan voice actor that doesn't sound crazy high-pitched, and had all the blood in it. It sucks that we can't have the best of both worlds.
ikr!!! that and bring back gohans old voice
+taytaysplay I hate gohans and bulmas new voice but I love friezas. After watching yuyu hakusho I can't take Linda youngs frieza serious lol.
+taytaysplay It does have Blood, the only thing that doesn't for some reason is stuff from the very beginning (such as the Raditz fight).
+MugenHeadNinja I think it has something to do with them being closer to the manga and only showing the necessary amount of blood, and something to do with Japanese T.V. standards.
"AAHHHHRRGIHDUXHWAAANnnd I'll make you pay, Cell!"
😭😭
Better then the kai version where Goku makes the face, but no sound happens, so it doesn't capture emotion in that part
@@trickerdgaming Except it literally does....Goku "ahhhhhhhrhhrrrrr" dosen't match the expression on his face whatsoever lol
“That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard..You’re too weak today but tomorrow you’re going to magically beat me!? ...KEK” If I was Cell I’d think it was ridiculous too. Lol
Imagine Cell in the hyperbolic time chamber. The next day.
@Imran A himself he can multiply without cutting power unlike tien
@Imran A 20 Cell Jrs
RIGHT😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
That’s the funny line
I like how in Kai that the actors took their roles more seriously.
But why did Goku get a gay guy accent?
BOB IGOR RUINED STAR WARS NOT JUST KATHLEEN he really didn’t...
And they actually sounds good unlike in the Z dub.
Kai is more close to the manga actually
@@Mike-xh2vm cap. And kai music is garbage
0:21 Yea aight bet... Goku learning to use slang
LMFAOOO
Lmaoooo
I am actually dying rn
Blueface baby, yea aight
It’s actually
“yeah I bet”
But I get the joke.
I like the kai voice acting, but I prefer the original music
The japanese music is shitty
abiel998 Agreed!!
No, its because the japanese music doesnt suit at all. I don't care if its actual instruments because its annoying. I'd rather not watch a show with people fucking eachother up over a background of frail drums, flutes and trumpets.
bloodkiller33 they arent even fighting though. The japanese music is better it matches the tone its a dark build up to a fight
Agreed c:
My perfect dub: Kai’s script and voice actors, with a combo of Bruce Falconer and the original japanese score. A truly great watching experience.
So basically, you just want the anime art style?
Got it 👌 😐
@@5Ci0N What do you mean by that?
@@5Ci0N ???
@@destroyerkitty9434 I am fine with dbz kai Original Soundtracks
@@5Ci0N what are you even talking about dumb ass?
He wants the much better orginal sound track but with the new voice acting and re edited footage of kai
This is one of those moments where I wish Yamamoto didn't get caught because the original music for Kai was so good. I hated that they got rid of ALL his tracks because he actually did compose some music of his own. People forget that he didn't steal THAT much music, allot of tracks actually were his to begin with.
Is Yamamoto music in the Z Kai DVD’s.
@@Antimatter-im1ip as far as I’m aware no.
Ones with chord progressions that have already been copied before should never be considered plagiarism. That is how Led Zeppelin was able to make it out of the lawsuits many times.
I love kai but unfortunately I’ve never seen the cell saga with the Yamamoto score. It’s harder to find than the previous arcs.
@@ToonGohan that cuz the cell saga was done after Yamamoto got caught so he didn’t get to do the music
GUEAAAAAH ILL MAKE YOU PAYYY CELL
I know I didn't realize how cringe this was.
That was so dumb and unnecessary. Yea that'll show em Goku. Nobody does that. Perhaps a groan or a growl but not guh. Cell doesn't even question how the hell Goku got there so fast.
@Jimmy J. harris 😂😂😂 "cut, what the fuck was that"
@@musicislife9825 😂😂😂😂
@@SSJayyy that was the best part
Kai takes the mantle of the pinnacle of dubs. It remains faithful and is performed superbly. 10+ years of experience will do that for you. Funimation has come a long way from "gah I'll make you pay Cell."
Kai is for children with short attention spans. Not one OG fan even watches Kai
@@5Ci0N Like it or not don't insult people's intelligence because they have a different opinion than you.
@@5Ci0N weirdos like you hate on Kai for no reason. Sorry it skipped the Fake Namek episodes or whatever other filler that's got you butt-hurt
Kai dub is way better than DBZ dub
@@tatersalad76 To be fair I actually miss a lot of filler in Kai. The dub is better but I still prefer the original anime if I was watching it in Japanese.
Original dbz had better music than kai in my opinion
true
@@MG-wk2eh not in all "western" regions (= Europe + North-America) ... in Germany we have the original japanese Soundtrack which i really love
Yes, the Shunsuke Kikuchu score is very well done.
Dude agreed
"Original". You mean Z dubbed?
Some dialogues I enjoy from the old dub, but Kai have some very impressive dialogues that improved over a lot of the original. Although Kai follows the manga, I wish it included filler episodes.
I wish Kai still had the good filler without the boring ones. Some of which are still in Kai for whatever reason. That or the Kai casting and scripts but for all Dragon Ball anime. Viz did both for Sailor Moon and the remake so why not Funimation with Dragon Ball? It would require another re-release that they would screw up though. That's another thing Dragon Ball Z is cursed over here when it comes to home releases.
Same
The main point of Kai was to SKIP the Filler.
@@royox Yeah um, I'm pretty sure everyone is already aware of that...
It would've been nice if Kai had the Frieza & Cell in h.f.i.l & otherworld tournament arc.
Kai's voice acting is superior, without a doubt.
Except for 18's new voice.
SSJ Savage As far as the actual acting goes? I still think it's a better performance, even if the voice itself suits the character less.
+Yvonne Hoff LOL no
facts
Yvonne Hoff but the music I the original is better it makes it more intense
Not only is the voice acting better in Kai, but the dialogue is a lot better here. It makes Goku feel more powerful/immovable and less like a little kid trying to act tough.
Nothing beats the original
The Dialogue in Kai goes too fast and is solely stating the obvious, no tension, no personality, just Cell telling the audience what they know already. Maybe the acting is better and the removal of a blank moment, but aside that the garbage overused High School marching band music ruins the moment further.
Z Fanboys "gahh I'll make you pay Canaan!!!!"
@@fhenja except when Kai beats it every time
@@edman813 so" I'll make you pay cell" was good?
Kai has made it to where I can comfortably recommend this show to people.
Totally. A good example of Kai's greatness is in the last moments of the final Frieza battle, after Goku gives him a last chance. He fires that laser and says "YOU FOOL." Goku's Kai voice actor screaming that sent chills down my spine and it's one of my favorite moments in the series. Kai really does DBZ justice.
Original DBZ is like Sonic Adventure 1. It was really great back in the day, but it just doesn't fit the same bill these days. DBZ Kai is Sonic Generations Speed Highway.
Gee something made in the 90s doesn't look good compared to the updated modern graphics... what a shocker.
DroidArmyLeader
Well, duh. But a lot of people aren't open to watching something that's from a long time ago. It's understandable. That's why they DID Kai. -So other people could experience it in a modern way.
Chill with the sarcasm.
***** I was talking about the Sonic Adventure comparison.
I like how Goku came in, like “I just met you, but I know what you’ve done, and I’ll make you pay” love it
You know, no matter where we stand in the DBZ vs Kai-Debate, I think we can all at least agree on that TFS is awesome, right?
*_glrahglahrhahh_* Ooh, little waterlogged there, buddy?
Kai and the old dub are awesome. Leave it at that.
+Schwatvogel
Much better than the original version.
Schwatvogel uh, no. TFS is annoying and unfunny, idk why so many people like it tbh.
+Andrew Teller
They are a rare breed of people who possess something called "a sense of humour".
I like the dramatic part where Cell charges at Goku and Goku's in shock but seconds later he's serious and knows he has to get out of there and live to fight another day
Listen to the dialogue in kai. " You're too weak to fight today, but tomorrow you're gonna magically defeat me." So bad ass
No you've got it wrong. The Kia one is the first demonstration. The second is Z
@@LadyOfTheEdits you can tell by the colors and cleaned up line work that kai is the second one. and the first one has faulconer's score which is only in dragon ball z
@@pika_speed Thank you lol i got confused. Lol
@@LadyOfTheEdits no problem
Hmmm... I thought that was corny
Heres how i believe it could be done, if we were to have a version that would satisfy almost everyone!
Animation: Kai wins this one, the modernized version is just to superior.
Voices Actors: The Cast of Kai is better, however i would have Colleen Clickenbeard voice Gohan as little kid, THEN! I would have Stephanie Nadolny voice him when he's pre teen. That way Gohan will have an apropiate voice for a little kid and sound like a total badass when he turns SSJ 2.
Dub: The old version sounds more natural and there are a lot of lines that i really miss... However the old version also contains lines that are (lets face it) pretty dumb, corny and senseless. Plus in terms of voice acting, the Kai dub is surperior.
Music: Everyone wins!
- Saiyan Saga: Kikuchi score
- Frieza Saga: Yamamoto score
- Cell Saga: Faulconer score
- Buu Saga: Sumitomo score
Or maybe for the entire Series a combination of all 4 composers
For the Cell Saga I would still choose the Kikuchi score especially for the song used when Gohan goes Super Saiyan 2, though you only hear it in the Original Japanese version.
Gohan was never a teen when he fought cell...he was 9
In the american version he is 11, thats why i call him "pre teen"
hvaså deer still in the manga he was 9 but I still agree with your comment of kai being better
I gotta say, Kai did a good job.
True dat
I can’t stomach the Faulconer score, it’s just noise meant as filler, most of the themes make me feel like I’m watching daytime television in the afternoon instead of watching a fun fighting anime.
@@thatguyintherain3168 ok and?
Yep
@@TruTrae and what?
The Kai dub makes more sense. The remastered version had them talking like they were 2 feet away from each other.
Bruh, they WERE like "two feet away" from eachother
Because they....were two feet away?
Are you dumb or just stupid? Asking for a friend.
@@mynamesoundsmaturedude857 I disagree. You don't hear an echo when you talk two feet away from someone
@@koetekage2802 I'd have to say neither guy on the internet judging my entire existence based off one comment.
Falcouner's soundtrack is much, much more exciting, tense, and memorable because of its uniqueness. You have characters with otherworldly powers and abilties, aliens, cyborgs, genetic abominations and psychotic infantile demons. All with the capacity to destroy planets, conquer the galaxy, shape the universe. The techno and light rock creates a sense of dread and foreboding in the quiet moments, power and excitement in the battles. Goku's theme when he goes SSJ conveys rage, surging power, and transformation.
The classical Japanese soundtrack is just...generic. You could place it to any animation or movie and get the same effect. It's not taking advantage of the setting and characters. It's not conveying Dragonball Z's uniqueness. It's orchestral woodwinds and brass. I'd even going so far as to say it's outdated for the show it's put to. It would better fit something from the sixties or even fifties. It takes no risks, and makes no effort to be recognizable. Some tracks fit sadder scenes better than Falcouner, but that's about it. From Dragonball through DBZ the Japanese soundtrack feels stock and recycled. Terribly recycled as certain battle tunes feel utterly indistinguishable from Kid Goku fighting King Piccolo to SSJ Goku fighting Frieza. Faulconer is unmistakable. Even if it isn't the best in some places, when it shines it really shines. Vegeta's theme, Gohan Angers, Pikkon theme, SSJ3 theme. These all signify iconic moments of the franchise. With the Japanese soundtrack all these moments are scored roughly the same with little to make the scenes stand out. That's where it fails the most.
My issue with the Falcouner track. It never fucking turned off. Literally every second of the show had music playing when silence would've been better. It's not like Kai doesn't have rock music, but only in short bursts so it doesn't get old.
Example, the fight between Cell and Trunks is fucking badass in Kai.
The Kai score is much better
Tiberius Kirk I get your point and I can agree on most of what you said (even though I do like the Japanese Soundtracks more), but as I said elsewhere, Faulconers Music (as functional as it is most of the time) doesnt mesh well with Emotional Moments like Vegetas Death(s) or Gokus sacrifice. Faulconers Music for these Scenes just sounded too cold and distanced for my taste.
Tiberius Kirk A lot of people always tend to use the word 'techno rock' to describe the US soundtrack of DBZ, which is a little annoying. Faulconer productions uses synthesizers as their main tool which I absolutely love, especially for old school horror movies. they're a VERY powerful tool at creating emotion, atmosphere, driving a scene and being incredibly memorable.
Anyways, no brainer...Kai's voice acting eclipses Z's in this scene. But that's not always the case. I find a lot of Z's dialogue to be larger than life, more memorable and to the point, where as kai's can often be a little overexplanitory, as if characters are relishing every single word they say as if they're reading from a script. 'Acting' is good but they don't feel like real people in kai in comparison to how they do in Z IMO.
Also, the original JAP soundtrack is laughably bad here, corny and goofy. Faulconer wins again.
***** Falconer doesn't convey any emotion or atmosphere it's just an "in your face" soundtrack that just manages to get people's attention
And the replacement music in kai pales in comparison to yamamoto
And Z's dialogue means nothing, just hammy and corny speeches, that do nothing to plot or characterization, and I'd love to find out how that script sounds at all "real" to you
Kai's actually characterizes them and isn't as forced as Z's.
Goku: I'd really like to teach you a lesson! But I need one more day before I'm strong enough to go up against you!
*Gets 10 more days*
Goku: I give up.
Although I'm a original version die hard, I actually have to praise the Dragonball Z Kai English dubbed version for doing justice to the original dialog. I know the original dialogue almost at heart so I know it's pretty accurate especially compared to the old English dub by Funimation. So yeah, the new dub is for teens and up, while the old one is for kids.
Which one is the original dialogue? Funimation right? I love the Kai dub too. The Funimation dub does seem like they speak slower as if kids were watching, but I hate the cuts that are in Kai. Is there a dub that has the original video and and american soundtrack with a different dub other than ocean?
The original dialogue and most accurate one is located in the Japanese version, being an anime, of course that's where the original version is. Even Funimation admitted that this Kai dub is a lot more accurate compared to their first dub of Dragon Ball. There are many dub comparison videos out there. "DBZ English vs. Japanese [Saiyan Saga]" for example
MichaelJonahTV ...Both dubs are funimation.
Ummmm... "So yeah, the new dub is for teens and up, while the old one is for kids"...What??
HAhaha Ooohh Kayyy Mr. mature.
If anything, kids will never watch the old one because... why would they? They would have to buy DVDs or find videos elsewhere for a version that is... Older.
While the 'New' version is on NICKELODEON (originally for US).
But yes. I too praise them for adhering to stricter standards of translation, to do the original script justice here in the states. And that is awesome you know the dialogue by heart! Seriously.
Though with that said, I somehow prefer the 'Old' version better. Maybe it is nostalgia, or maybe I really do feel more emotion and gritty tension from the original... Who knows?
***** Agree 100%. Whenever there's a discussion about Z vs. Kai, the "censored" version of Kai always gets brought up. Most people ignore the fact that there is an uncut version. The voice acting in Kai is superb as most of the voice actors have gained a lot of experience over the years since the original. For example that clip of Cell in the original sounds absolutely horrible but in Kai he's a lot more intimidating. I think people are letting nostalgia influence their decision too much.
The Remastered dub improves a lot on the old dub to a degree... but I honestly think it doesn't do enough to beat Kai and I think in part it comes to that air of inexperience that these voices have. Take for example Schemmel's Goku. This was clearly during the era where it seems their line of thinking was Goku's voice should always sound kinda high in pitch. This is a problem that's present with a lot of the old dub performances I'm finding, actors were clearly given the direction to just do a voice and due to their inexperience they chose to try and maintain them... at the expense of their range. Here, it sounds like Goku's confused, like this is a man that kind of doesn't know how to actually be serious. In Kai, the voice actually has a different tone, it distinctly sounds like Goku still but it actually sounds serious and it makes the threat sound that much more impactful and then when Goku senses Piccolo? It shifts into sounding like actual surprise.
The next problem is the music which to be fair is present in both but the difference is that for Kai it's understandable to a degree because the version of Kai from this point that's legally available is the one where they replaced the original Kenji Yamamoto score with the Shunsuke Kikuchi one... and rather hastily which results in moments where the score does not match the vibe of the scene. The Faulconer one clearly had more time put into it so it naturally at least sounds like it's properly timed to the scene... but then another problem comes up, the Faulconer score... does not fit Dragon Ball. This industrial drone mixed with synth just doesn't work for this scene and while it's not an issue highlighted with this moment? There's also the problem with the score never stopping at any point to let a scene breathe.
I actually liked the filler episodes of original, season 7 is actually one of my favorites. It gives DBZ more personality than just power struggles, it also makes the characters more dynamic. However the fights are the best.
Filler episodes provided meaning as well, as Gohan was able to enjoy life and see exactly what he was fighting for. This allowed him to gather the emotions necessary to transform against Cell. I didn’t know that these episodes were ‘filler’ until I was an adult.
We seem to be in the minority here
I really liked Cell's "see your tomorrow" line it was an amusing way to put things towards what Goku was saying.
I prefer the original over kai cause of one main reason bruce faulcanor that's what dbz kai was lacking I give kai credit the voice acting is spot on love the quality
Saiyan Goku There is a guy on you tube who released kai with Bruce Faulkner music in it.
+Saiyan Goku Thats the main reason I get put off of Kai. the music. Though the dub is far superior I have to admit.
***** lol I used to but today I was checkin out some comparisons. Man I saw the difference and it was a good one.
I'd love to see a fusion between the Kai dub and the original soundtrack by Bruce.
That would be frkn amazing!
***** Mate Bruce Faulconer any day with any dub!
Kris Cherven After seeing Kai a little bit I can see how things seem different though its still the same story either way. I'd say it fits.
"But I need one more day to become strong enough to go up against you
Nnnnnnnnand I'll make you pay cell!"
So much cringe
why?
why?
I cringe so hard at the Z dub. Why anyone (including me) ever thought it was good is beyond me.
Bad voices. Laughable voice acting. Inaccurate script. The constant background noise known as the Bruce Faulconer score. There's a couple of voices I prefer in the original dub and a couple of Faulconer tracks that are great, but, for the most part, it's just bad. As an adult, I honestly can't watch it seriously anymore.
I do watch Super. I think the voices are great.
To be honest, while Faulconer made some banger ost's, for me some of his songs don't fit with the overall scene and feeling of it. That's maybe the editors fault for not using a proper one for some scenes, this one included, but it sounds calm but uneasy at the same time, making me think that it should've been used for someone like Piccolo for a scene when he's meditating than this one *for example* (maybe they did and can't remember because it's been a while since I've watched the OG DUB and SUB) while Kai's song kind of maintains the original score's vibe from the OG Z ( the japanese dub which I like it more, might be biased but in this case, the feeling of what these scenes tried to tell, Faulconer's just does not fit for me). The newer score has this emergency yet grand feeling of what's happening right now and a build up towards what's about to come very soon. Cell is an absolute menace, so by just staring at him while being on the run to train and save others, gives you this feeling of danger. Now that I think about it, I might've heard it during the original japanese sub, it's familiar for me at least. Yup it is, just looked it up and it's BGM-M1405. Anyways, the japanese score in general fits more within DBZ than Faulconer's for the most part imo.
Agreed
I wish more people realised this
What is with all of the awkward pauses in the old dub? It sounds so bad. The dialogue itself really doesn't help. I think you can tell which way I'm leaning.
Z's script + Kai voice acting + Kai's editing + Bruce Faulconer's music = The Ultimate DBZ
DBZ still fine.
Kai script is the original
So I’d say Kai for the script since it follows the manga
Faulconer music is so... meh
I've never really realized how much Goku's dialogue in the original version of dragon ball Z sounds like something out of a sentai anime or like something out of power rangers. 😂
Most of it comes from the canadian dub with some original material
I know Jason DeMarco (Co-creator of TOONAMI) showed this clip on TOONAMI Pre-Flight and discussed this with his longtime intern Gill Austin that they don't like Bruce Faulconer's score to which I say to each their own. I prefer bruce's score over the original japanese music.
jdg20042001 Someone not killing others for different opinions! lol, I've kind of always been a little on the fence as to which I actually prefer myself. My favorite soundtrack was the Kenji Yamamoto score from the earlier Kai dub, but between Bruce Faulconer and Shunsuke Kikuchi (composer of the original DBZs score in Japanese and for Kai now too) I think nostalgia aside it kind of comes down to the age old question with soundtracks in general, ie is it better to have a soundtrack with good music or a soundtrack that's well utilized. On it's own the Faulconer track is better than Kikuchi's clearly IMO, but with the Kikuchi score the directors for the series knew precisely what they wanted to convey at a given time and they were using Kikuchi, and that shows there so it's pretty clearly utilized better.
Sure and the canadian dub by far outdoes that stupid kai
How on Earth do people really think the original FUNi dub is better than Kai? I loved the original when I was a kid, but looking back and comparing the two, it's clear which is better.
Those who are saying Kai sucks are insulting the original manga, as Kai draws directly from that for dialogue.
No one gives a fuck. People can prefer other dialogue then how it was written. And Gohans new voice and the garbage corny music in Kai is pathetic for the shows atmosphere.
Super Sand Legend The original voice sounded like a 15 year old even when he was supposed to be 7 early on.
Also, the Yamamoto score for Kai is incredible. It actually fits with the tone of each scene and the emotions the characters are supposed to be going through, similar to the original Japanese score.
Lastly, if you're gonna present a counter-argument to my post, please don't come off so rude like "no one gives a fuck." Really?
Zenith "It actually fits with the tone of each scene and the emotions the characters are supposed to be going through."
I'm done lol. You weren't born in the 90's. And who gives a shit again if you think that ear sore of a Gohan voice actor fits him? That's opinion buddy. It's all passive, so I couldn't care less of what you think of it. Yet that voice actor makes everyone fucking cringe. Especially how that shit is for kid Goku too. Horrible. Valediction m8.
Super Sand Legend Excuse me? I'm 22 years old going for a degree in audio engineering. I grew up watching this series.
You're trying to tell me that hard rock/synth conveys more emotion than the Kai score?
I love how you're trying to say "well that's just your OPINION!!!!!" when you're also shouting opinion at me. It's all opinion. It's a matter of how you back it in a discussion, and you're not doing so well on your end.
"that voice actor makes EVERYONE cringe" - oh really, so you know everyone who's watched Kai?
Zenith Don't try and argue with him. This 13 year old think he knows Dragonball, and will make fun of everyone who outsmarts him.
People really crapped on Kai for absolutely no reason huh
Felt the threat when Goku was like grr cell I'm gonna make you pay 😤😤😂😂
Original dub is objectively bad, it's not even an opinion
True
wrong
Nope
@@Lowclasswarrior778 ok
I love both the original funimation dub and Kai dub they're both great.
The voice acting in the original dubs are godawful.
Dialoug: DB kai
Music & image: DBZ Remaster
DBZ remaster looks horrid in image and the music is just loud and obnoxious.
FUNimation shit stained all over the quality. The best quality we will ever have is either the DragonBox or the Level set blu rays.
I heard a lot of complaints about the image of dbz remastered but when it comes to the music, at least in my opinion its great. I personally prefer that over the music in kai.
***** Most people? Are you saying that most people in Asia or Russia grew up with the Falconer track?
OWmyDragonBallz he said dragon box 😂 🚮
Frank Poorte kai is the remastered, so I don’t know wat ur saying
0:38 This line 😂
The original dub is so bad it's funny.
Agree
yeah way too cheesy 😭
Yet somehow people delude themselves into thinking the original dub is a masterpiece.
"It’s so natural you don’t get this level of fun voice acting anymore!" Yeah if I pulled someone from the street then threw them into the studio and asked them to sight read the script I’m sure that’s as natural as it gets lol.
@@intelligentapealan Not to mention, those are the same people who believe Kai is garbage lmao
I just wish people would stop calling the Z Dub the "Funimation" dub.
They're both from Funimation, done by roughly 80% of the same people. Piss off.
@@SIVmagu I get what you mean. Of course most people should probably understand that "Z" typically refers to the FUNimation dub and "Kai" refers to the Kai FUNimation dub.
And right here, a useless comment nobody asked for. We can call it whatever we like, and your triggered ass can't do shit about that.
@@kimahribrown3843 He has a point. Both of the dubs in the video are by FUNimation. If you refer to only one as the FUNimation dub, someone might not understand your meaning as they're both FUNimation. It's more practical to call them the "Z Dub" and "Kai Dub" rather than the "FUNimation Dub" and the "Kai Dub" which is redundant and confusing because they're both FUNimation.
@@kimahribrown3843 Nigga. You came to this 2 year old comment to start talking shit to someone who is objectively right all because you thought you were cool. Take you, and your ugly ass baby sisters and get out my mentions bro.
So, how many dubs had dragon Ball?
Bruce Faulconer and his team did a wonderful job making each scene more intense and capturing! The old Original Funimation dub is my preferred version!
Exactly
it sucks
You and me both. Obviously Kai is going to have better production because it was released way later. It sounded smoother, but overall energy, likeness, and most importantly the music made it what it is. Had it not been for that, who knows if DBZ would've made it to the extreme lengths that it did. My proffered version also
The Bruce faulconer music makes the scenes so much more edgy. Love the the shit outta it
It sucks, buddy.
Honestly, I don’t know which is better. I grew up with the original dub from Cartoon Network and the CD and enjoyed very much, especially with the Faulconer music going on in the show and the acting was great too despite the dialogue being a somewhat off kilter with the manga series. But even though I love the nostalgic feeling the original gives, there is a lot in the Kai dub that corrects the mistakes beforehand. The voice acting has improved significantly. Not to mention that the dialogue in it follows the storyline better than the original. However, the soundtrack (in my opinion) does not have the same kind of feeling as it does with the original dub. To me the music is better in the original than Kai. And the visual images changes visually looks odd. not saying it’s bad, the art looks great. Just it looks odd when the pictures switch from a rough 90s look to a smoother 2010s correction, then back to the 90s. All in all, each version shares some differences and they both have features that could be improved in some aspects, but both are awesome to watch. Why? Cause it’s Dragon Ball, dammit!!
I love how no one mentions the Ocean Dub a drgonball z or am i te only one old enough to remember
Ocean Dub 1-53
1996-1998
Westwood Dub I Think 2000-2003
Goku sounds more upset in the regular version.
I don't understand how people like Z. Goku sounds so corny, saying shit like "HRnGHgg i'll make you PAY cell" and Cell's dialogue there is shit, he doesn't even question how Goku got there and is like "oh goku it's so nice to meet you"
Kai just sounds so much more natural, and the Kikuchi score in the background makes it more engaging
I agree
Some people prefer z mostly for the nostalgia. As far as the music goes, while faulconer is a hit or miss depending who you’re talking to, kikuchi in Kai is universally crapped on. People love it in z but not in Kai.
the score is trash imo, but the kai is better in dub
The corny voice acting and script is why I could never get my dad to watch the show with me when I was a kid.
Remastered Version voice acting just rubs you the wrong way. There are too many pauses in between dialogue and shots and the voice acting is so laughably contrived.
So much awkward pauses in the original lmao
The original one sounds like a game cutscene where you need to press the button to proceed to the next script...
Even though I grew up with the original it's obvious that Kai's writing and voice acting are objectively better. People who say otherwise need to take off the nostalgia goggles.
Sorry but as someone who just finished dragon ball again, I like z more as it fits that same style. If you're going from dragon ball to Z, it flows much better. The voice acting is better I'll give you that. But the way the lines are written feel closer to the style of the original dragon ball anime. Especially since the filler is cut out from Kai. So final verdict
Kai: better voice acting, more plot/fight based.
Z: smoother experience if you're coming from dragon ball/similar style
@@Jojo2 if you're talking about z dub closer to it's source material, it really isn't. In fact, it strays away from it
Both adaptations of the dubs are good. They each excel in there own right. All though I do prefer the BF Score the new music isn't bad at all. At first a thought Kai was a washed down Z, from what I had heard. But once I watched it it's very good. Kai definitely has very good voice actin and diologue. I equally respect both.... like for Christ sakes we have 2 very great versions of the legendary Dragonball Z!!!! I enjoy both of them alot.
A fan that... Likes both? Impossible! I'm kidding, I like both too.
Sean put more emotion into the Kai version
Sean On Kai Amazing
On Rasmasterd Good
On Orginal Funimation Dub Suck
The Only Good Of Orginal Funimation Dub Cell Saga And Buu Saga
I was a HUGE fan of DBZ back in the day and a part of me still is. Although looking back on it now, the dialogue was corny and drawn out at times. Kai's dialogue is succinct and to the point. The one thing that pisses me off is the new soundtrack. The original was way better!
Chichi you put that perfectly
Nahh the kai score is very good imo, just because it isnt rock n roll and all modern type of music doesnt mean it isnt bad. Kai is music is more like real orchestra music and its really good and intense. Just watch gohans kamehameha against cell in kai. The music fits very well
@@dan_4531 exactly I like the original ost but Kai does have a pretty good ost my favorites mainly being dragon soul and the "next time on dragon Ball Kai" song(there were two of these, one before and after the Android saga they are both really good)
@@Tyree42069 just watch this whole thing bro, its amazing! ruclips.net/video/218ELDhIiGY/видео.html
@@Tyree42069 kai music is def underrated
DBZ MUSIC + DB KAI voice acting= BOOM!!!✨️
In my opinion Kai dub sounds less cringy than the DBZ dub
I simply like Kai more for the improved voice acting, due to the actors having more experience.
M. Chedderbeef yep the music on the Z dub gets annoying too so that's another reason for me
the Z script makes me cringe and curl, in conjunction with the acting.
Z is better then Kai IGN
+Himanshu Bilonia IGN
+Himanshu Bilonia u are probably young and this is probably your generation dragon ball z
+Himanshu Bilonia It's just my opinion idiot
***** stop being such a fucking dipshit
"oh and uh by the way cell, You're gonna die"
-Bacon in the fridge for all living things cry out for hunger
"waa marching band music is bad"
This isn't supposed to be there, the original track is very different, they changed it because the compositor for Kai got fired, then they used tracks from the og DBZ, however, the placement was...odd
This One Scene In *KAI's* *ENGLISH* Dub Is So Better Than The Entire *Z's* *ENGLISH* Dub.
And then you still got the clowns who say Kai voice acting sucks.
There are seriously people out there that think the original has better acting and music? in the original Funi dub Sean's delivery is so awkward and all over the place. Nostalgia is one hell of a drug.
The music 100% better in z but the acting is way better in Kai
@@austen7653
If you talk about the international music, then yes. But if you talk about the crappy Faulconer track the US had, then hell no.
It’s still worse with the fandom to this day, I’ve seen people mock and insult others if they so much as even consider the possibility that the Kai dub is unanimously superior. Sure, the original Funi dub absolutely has its moments, but nostalgia truly is one hell of a drug. Also weird how usually people hate when a dub doesn’t stick to the manga material but somehow the original funi gets a pass when it’s all over the place.
Nostalgia really blinds people into realizing how bad the English dub really was.
I feel like the one thing the Funimation dub has over Kai is the music. That, and the ability to poor nostalgia into people's eyes and blind them as if it were chlorine bleach.
+Illusive Serb classy AND intelligent. The women must be beating down your door
limpingzombie I'm glad you have accepted me as your brother-in-law. As for her attributes, I don't think you should talk so openly about your family traits...
+Illusive Serb Well, she's adopted. We felt bad, who wants a herpes infected mongoloid? Aside from you. I guess we all need something to make us feel better about ourselves
+Illusive Serb We adopted her out of pity because no one else wanted her. Sorry, should have made that easier to follow, serb
+Illusive Serb k
Gimme the Japanese with English subs any day. But if I had to pick a dub, Kai hands down. At least they stood close to the dialogue that Akira Toriyama wrote.
Do people like the old dub because of it’s what they grew up with? Or cuz of the music? Or the voice acting? Like I’m baffled when people say that they can’t watch Kai because the music and the voice acting lol
I like Dbz's look. Kai's colours just look washed out to me 😕
Flora Lynphea lol tf??
Nate .H I mean the colours in the remastered version look more vibrant.
+Flora Lynphea Did you mean over saturated? Plus being cropped from it's original aspect ratio effectively RUINING the original look. Plus Kai is the original footage from the 90s it's just remastered in HD. The only thing that's cropped from 4:3 to 16:9 in Kai is the Buu saga. Honestly, it looks like for that saga that it is was sourced from the Orange Bricks.
Gotta love that DNR for the original as well!!!
NES Player 292 Well I guess I like the remastered better :D It's just my opinion tho
Kai just does such a superior job of telling a narrative. I like the animation upgrade from the original as well
Anyone who isn't blinded by nostalgia can see the fact that Kai is better. Everything about it is better. The music, the acting, and the animation. Kai haters don't know shit about quality.
Most Kai haters are nostalgia-tards anyway.
BioZero216 how do you feel about the new death battle rematch verdict between superman and goku?
alphakillson I honestly don't care. I have no idea why people rage so hard at those things.
BioZero216 yea it was pretty pointless. Buts it's funny watching the fans rage lmao.
alphakillson Yeah it's kinda funny xD!
When Goku looked around sensing Piccolo's, alive and said “Hold on Piccolo, I'll be there in just a second!" Then how Cell said “What!!!?" Was funny to me.
Back when Goku was serious
I hate how the old dub would always give Goku extra/changed dialogue to make him more of a stereotypical good guy. All that talk about ending Cell's reign of terror isn't really something Goku would say.
Dragon Ball Z Kai is the only English anime dub that I actually enjoy listening to; the writing is creative within its limitations and the voice acting is comparatively not shit.
The English dub for death note is also great, better than the sub imo
Z Dub is funny tho😂😂😭😭💯💯
I love the way Goku was standing there then vanished when cell tried to attack him
Kai feels like Goku is more mature and Cell is more caught off gaurd. But in OG Z Goku sounds more bashful and Cell is more confident. I think Kai fits both of their characters more because Goku in the manga is more level headed and mature and Cell is always too cocky, so anything he didn't anticipate scares him.
I know, Cell acknowledges how did Goku just appear. And he addressed how it made no sense Goku needed one day to train to defeat him, Cell didn’t seem that confused about that statement in the other dub.
Original 100% that anger in the voice was amazing.
Kai Dub is a Million time better and more accurate to the Japanese version
“Your days of terrorizing the Earth will be FINISHED for good!” is a much more iconic line than “tomorrow i’ll come back and beat you”
Yeah but goku's not a superhero he's just a saiyan with a care for family and a passion for fighting. He would never say something like that
Gamertagger
Yes he would. He’s said similar shit to that in Kai before. After he beat Frieza, he told him something like “your days of tormenting the universe are over”.
@@gamertagger5375he literally vowed to defeat Frieza in the name of every one he killed in Kai
What's doing cell while waiting for the cell games? Buying a cellphone
"Maybe, he was camping at the Cell Games." LoL.
DBZ music + Kai dialogue= MASTER PIECE
I like both, Z is more cheesy but it's charming.
As someone who grew up on Z , I must admit Kai”s version is more intense
It felt like the weigh in for an epic match
The thing about the original is the fact that it did have suspenseful timing with how it was paced. Sure, Kai has better voice acting and a faster pace, but the original had the suspenseful Faulconer music playing in this scene, as well as well timed shots and pans to make it seem so stressful that Goku is literally standing in front of this enemy who could kill him at any given moment.
Good argument but overall it doesn't warrent a pass for Zs terrible acting and dialogue at times Goku was just horrible at first. Now his voice actor is one of the very best and it all started with Kai
@@JSmoothSoulget a life troll z’s way better Kai goku is gruff and forced so is cell
I clearly prefer Cells dialogue from the old version. The reaction sounds more natural to me.
Well goku, it is finally nice to meet you surprised.
the voice actors in dbz are far superior to those in kai. Freeza and Cell sound much more badass.
"Nrgh I'll make you pay cell" Good joke,plus implying that freeza's chain smoking grandma voice is in any way shape or form better than Chris' freeza which is how the character should sound like or badass in any way shows how low your standards are.
and gohan doesn't sound like a whiney spoiled little girl, first it just sounds super generic and out of place, and into the androids/cell saga he sounds legit idiotic. Bulma and 18 suck in the newer dubs too. The change of Frieza was a big one, and I blame laziness for it not coming off better in Kai emotionally, yes closer to the japanese version but the emotion that linda young kicked out was far scarier and well done.
The one time the redrawn frames look just perfect
So many people keep comparing the two and arguing which is better. Can't we just like both of them?
I like both but Kai's dubbing is way better.
@@JEFFMAN90 In this case, it is. Most of the time it is. But Z has some better moments than Kai does, especially when it comes to memorable lines.
I miss serious Goku :(
Like goku has never been serious in super
@@eli.0006
Rarely at this point
As per usual, Kai has the better dialogues, but Z has the better sound.
Kai better sound , Z acting is cringe
@@jordancromwell It's cringy but the funny type of cringy lol
The 2007 "remaster" is not actually a different voice from Sean. Sean only re-mastered up to when he arrived to fight the Ginyu Force, and Chris only until Goku's arrival on Earth. From there, it's all the same as 2000-2003.
I just like the score created by Faulconer Productions more. I watched some Kai and just couldn't get into it, luckily I have my Orange DVD Boxset and can enjoy my preferred version of DBZ as often as I please!
Chris Sabat has on multiple occasions voiced his dissatisfaction for the original dub of DBZ.
He said that there are many scenes that he wishes he had the opportunity to re-dub due to the weak script he and the rest of the cast had to work with.
Kai gave him and the rest of the cast the opportunity to correct such mistakes.
Objectively speaking, there is no doubt it's the better show.
Yeah, also from what I heard he mentioned the idea of re-scripting the movies to add the better dialogue because the old dub for the bardock special (not the lord chill one) for example is definitely way different on the Japanese dub than the English side.
The kai script is the original, the script that DBZ should have been on the beginning
Geez he really does sound like a superhero in the original