In the UK with the ZEV mandate all automakers have to sell a minimum percentage of BEV each year. This rises quickly over the next few years from 22% this year to 52% by 2028 and 80% by 2030. Failure to meet this percentage results in large fines for those companies not reaching the target of £15k per car under the target. Expect to see massive discounts on EVs towards the back end of the year as legacy auto struggle to meet the target.
👍 have been saying this about the ZEV mandate for some time as it was all smoke and mirrors when the Tories movie the date of purchase EV'S but not the ZEV mandates just to please there supporters. So it will be over to Tesla, BYD, and the other Chinese to take over from Ford, VW and the like.
@@chrissmith2114 SMMT figures for car sales year to date as of June 2024 are : Diesel. -12.1% Petrol. +2.7% BEV. +9.2% So BEV's sales are going up at 9.2% Diesel sales are falling and petrol sales are OK but are being out paced by BEV's
Hi Dave, greetings from Oxford. I’m 58YO, when I was young I was passionate about politics, but now I am rather agnostic. Having said that, the last lot were clearly trying to delay any progress on renewable energy and electrification. We have all been suffering from ridiculously high electricity prices after Putin’s invasion of Ukraine when the energy market panicked. Our government was complicit in ripping off the citizens and lining the pockets of the fossil fuel companies, they were tested, and showed us where their true loyalty was.
I think the issue with fuel prices was sanctions and the US destroying the Nordstream. At least we have learned our lesson not to mess with other countries just look after the UK first.
@@michaeldawson6309 Hi Michael, Russia turned off Nordstream, when the pipeline was blown up, it was already shut down. There is no evidence that the USA was involved in the sabotage of Nordstream, however Russian vessels were observed in the location of the sabotage.
@@michaeldawson6309if we don’t support Ukraine then next it will be The Baltics, Poland and perhaps even the east of Germany (the old ‘Soviet Empire’). Putin has made his intentions quite clear.
As reported by the Fully Charged Podcast, according to Lazard (US investment bank - who take great and detailed interest in such things) the combination of wind, solar and battery storage to provide continuous 24/7 supply is the cheapest source of energy at a worldwide average cost of $50 (US) per MWh. Coal comes in at $168/MWh; gas varies between $45 and $108; utility solar including battery storage between $29 and $62 and nuclear at$182. I guess they are looking for the best investment - the ones that will succeed with the greatest growth potential. It's obvious. They (Fully Charged) also report that Hinkley Point C which was started construction in 2007 with an estimated budget of £9 billion and completion date of 2017 - is behind schedule and over budget. It is now estimated for completion in 2031 ar a cost of £35 billion. Only £26 billion over budget and 14 years late...
@@michael.randall5034 Exactly - China has to import oil, but they have billions of tons of domestic reserves of dirty brown coal that they can burn to charge their 'clean EV'..
Pay per mile is the only sensible method of taxing road vehicles in future. The thing is it will be fair. Unfortunately tthe government does need to raise money for building and maintaining roads. At present the money comes from tax on petrol and diesel. As the number of EVs grows there will be a shortfall so an alternative way of raising money from road users is required. Pay per mile could be used for all vehicles and could be weighed heavily on fossil fuel powered vehicles, after all the current tax on petrol and diesel does not even remotely reflect the damage heir emissions are doing currenttly to vulnerable people and to our grandchildrens prospects of living in a hospitable world. Pa per mile could be implementted very easily. The mileage is already recorded at the annual MOT test anyway.
@@rogerphelps9939 It will never be fair the government cannot be trusted in anyway at all. Look at net zero £6Billion added to bills each year currently and KS in private jets.
I'd prefer road taxes were levied through actual usage than other means to be honest. Something must change and pay per mile is an idea. Personally I think a more hybrid approach is needed with a basic tax for all then pay per mile on top.
I suggest that the last major disruptive change in the motor industy was the move to Unitary contruction in the 1950's which resulted in a cull of many companies, and a bonus for those that got it right. As for compulsion , the motor industry has always , in the main, resisted change. It is only with legislation that Seat Belts became normal, or safety glass, or less polluting engines, and so on. The 'end date' for fossil fuelled cars is a necessity to promote change.
The SNP were instrumental in many people buying EVs in Scotland using their scrappage scheme whereby you were given £8,000 if you scrapped an ICE car which you had owned for 2 years. This was a brilliant idea, and coupled with MG offering discounts, saved nearly £10,000. Over and above this Scotgov had a scheme which provided free home chargers in Scotland. The SNP encouraged investment in wind turbines with special Corporation Tax roll over relief, meaning I own shares in a wind turbine company which cost me nothing. Labour are about to nationalise wind farms with no compensation to shareholders... they're too scared to take on Shell.
@@paulmunt8350 My Ev's have actually increased in value because of the scheme I use to buy them, or rather lease them. One of them is an 8 year old Model X which has done over 100k. I have solar so there is no energy costs and no petrol. The latest lease is for an MG4 long range. I cannot believe there are mugs out there still buying petrol and diesel.
The legacy auto makers supply a global market place. The UK is a small market compared to the rest of the world. The global shift to EV production will play a part in what we in the UK are able to buy. Auto makers have been in this situation many times before. In the 80,s there was a European directive on drive by noise. The legislation was put back and then brought forward again. I don’t agree with the government putting Vehicle excise duty on EV,s ,or that they can dictate what we drive. But the simple matter is, if the majority of new vehicles available to the UK market are BEV,people will have to adopt them. What all the fuss is about when this change in some years away,is beyond me.The biggest disgrace is the UK,s charging infrastructure is ten years behind the rest of Europe,and the roads are third world quality at best. Whatever we are able to drive, we’ll be taxed to the hilt for it.
Speaking to a friend who works for national grid was saying the local cable network is very old in some cases in the days when they called it the 'electric light company!' and will need substantial civils work and expense if this is to be improved. Might be good for employment but needs planning and investment.
If I was a legacy ICE maker I’d be concentrating on PHEVs to get my customers used to the plug in future and at the same time I’d be making sure I’m investing and innovating in all electronic. As it stands it looks like the likes of Ford are already being left behind by the likes of BYD and Kia.
Under the 2035 scheme, 80% of new cars would have to be Electric or Hybrid, the EU says 2035, so I really don't think it will make much difference changing to 2030. You want to be talking to your MP about how they are going to replace VED, pay per mile? If so, if you can't charge at home, the cost per mile would be very expensive. I've an EV and wouldn't go back. Why have you ignored some basic information, if not political?
Regarding renewables, I heard we are generating more than we can store as being a bigger issue than producing it. Also offshore is obviously better so why not create offshore ship farms rather than sticking a great big pole all the way down to the seabed? Is that a genius thought path or am I having a moment of false innovation 😂
Whether a government mandates 2030, or 2035 is going to be less, and less important. The fact is all the governments have set their mandates at dates that they feel fairly secure about the fact the market will already be mostly EV. Once change starts to happen it can snowball pretty fast. At the end of WWI vehicles were beginning to hit their stride, before 1930, cars were everywhere. In 1919, finding a petrol station would have been a challenge. By 1930 Petrol stations were already in place in many places, and more were being built wherever they were needed. Things are going to be very similar to that with renewable energy and EVs. It's just how disruptive revolutions go. History has shown this to be true time, and time again.
The change in car tax rules will mean more private buyers going to PHEV rather than BEV as the "luxury" car tax extra £350 per year for 6 years cuts the current BEV benefit. Constant tinkering with tax rules will help no one make a long term decision.
The problem is that about 40% of UK homes don't have a driveway so lack the ability to charge at home. Creating a two tier system where some can charge overnight for dirt cheap and everyone else has to use more expensive charging points is going to cause a lot of resentment.
The new government has promised a review of planning rules, that should help. PLus the provision of more public charging schemes. Even simple things like allowing the installation of conduits for across pavement charge cables would make a great difference. Some councils already do it.
@@malcolmsutton6740absolute rubbish. unless planning on making cars a privilege where not only do you have to pass driving test but also pass a test to show your need for a car then people in homes without access to home charging will still be having cars. I live in an estate where just 2 homes have drives, in a town with railway station and good public transport. We have off-road parking but is not suitable for home charging as quite often other side of road. All of the allocated bays and most of the visitor bays are full of cars. I have 2. Personal car and 1 for work. There is one EV in our road, belonging to the owner of one of tomes which has a drive. I had looked to goto the watercress line today, however whilst just under an hour in the car, then would be 3 charges on trains to get there and roughly 2 hours with the walk to railway station. Could I do the journey on public transport, yes, would I, NO. Alresford is a lovely town however it is also quite old in terms of housings stock and whilst the houses are lovely they definitely did not build a lot of that town other then the newest expansion development with cars in mind. Roads are narrow, very little driveways etc and alresford isn’t a cheap place and they aren’t flats, yet EV owning is not going to be home charging. GWSR at broadway don’t even want to work out how would get their. Visiting my parents for the weekend. 1 train an hour, 2 hours with 2 changes and got to carry luggage for the weekend. Quite how would visit friend in the village they used to live in. 2 trains and 1 bus with the last bus being out to the village at 6:00pm oh and I forgot to mention he doesn’t finish work till 6:00 and would leave no public transport to actually get home other then taxi. Visit my uncle, again 2 trains and a bus. Of course I just actually get in my car and put what need in the boot, and leave when ready. Drive over to see my friend in the village and drive back to parents, Drive the car to my uncles etc. Not sure how my life is out of the ordinary in that visit friends, family go out to leisure activities. Why do you think, London, Birmingham, Manchester all of which have good public transport still full of cars.
@@malcolmsutton6740 That is not the case in the real world. I live in a home without home charging available, parking bay the opposite side of the road so any cable dragging would done across a road not a pavement. Where I live in has good public transport and also a mainline railway station. I had looked at visiting the Mid Hants Railway today and to get there on public transport is 2 hours and 4 trains, so changing 3 times. Or can do door to door in about an hour. Could I do this on Public Transport, yes in theory but not in reality. Alresford where the Mid Hants finishes is a lovely English Town, however when you walk off the main street then is some nice houses (more then I can afford) built on narrow roads well before car ownership was a thing. All have cars parked outside them if not multiple. Visitng the Gloucester and Warwickshire Railway at Broadway is hour in car or 2 hours on Public Transport with 1 train an hour Again you aren't going to use Public Transport for this. Visiting my parents for weekend in birmingham is 15minute walk to railway station with luggage, 3 trains and then another 15min walk at the other end with one train an hour for the connections. Reality is that I put luggage in car and drive up when I am ready. Whilst am there then use the car to get across to the village I grew up with to see friends vs 2 trains and a bus where the last bus too the village is 6:00pm and no return after that so as he doesn't finish work till 6:00pm then would be impractical to go earlier. The road I live in is about 140 homes and 2 of them have suitable parking, all of the allocated parking bays have cars and overflow into the visitors and road. Work from home, however when do go out then is to setup new warehouses, for which most definitely need own vehicle. Don't see how am different to average person that works for a living but likes to get out and about in personal time. Not sure where you get this idea that the majority of people with homes without suitable parking for home charging don't own cars from.
You vastly overestimate the importance of the UK market and legislation. None of the larger companies develops cars for that market - they just make a modified version for the UK market. The EU in reality is the big legislator for the European car manufacturers and China for the Chinese manufacturers. Whether the UK government says 2030 or 2035 is not that important from a planning perspective. If the UK government wants to influence the market share of electric vehicles, their best bet is to do something about the charging infrastructure. Many more charging options along the streets to make it possible to charge overnight are indispensible.
@@davetakesiton No, they just modify one of the models to fit right hand drive - if they even do that. Look at Tesla model S & X that are no longer available for right hand drive. The British market is too small for specific models to developed for that market alone. The much more important thing is the big markets and their regulations. If there were no other countries requiring right hand drive versions, that would be a major problem. Thankfully, Japan, Thailand, Australia, NZ etc. all add up to enough volume to make a limited production viable. The UK government deciding to phase out ICE five years earlier or later is small fry. When the UK was part of the EU it was different - the inner market is an order of magnitude larger than the UK market.
@@JKristofferNielsen Hi JK, the right hand steering wheel is a lot more common than you might imagine, I live in lovely NZ, and we have plenty of evs here ( I have an MG ) also Japan, Singapore, South Africa, India, Australia, Thailand and other countries also have the steering wheel on the wrong side. 😃
@@TerryHickey-xt4mf That is - as I said - the reason that right hand drive versions exist. But the British policy changes makes little change to the car companies as far as development and overall direction is concerned. The British market is only a part of those markets - and decreasing in relative importance. The potential size of the market in countries like India is way more important. As such, the changes in policies in the UK is not THAT important. It will not make any of the big car manufacturers change anything major. They might change the allocation of models for the British market - but that is a minor detail in the planning for these companies. Nobody bothers to make models only for the British market. The British market share of the total RHD market is shrinking anyway due to the other RHD markets increasing far more. That is the point I'm trying to make: UK policy is not really important anymore in the big picture.
@JKristofferNielson The big car manufacturers were furious when the UK government moved the goalposts from 2030 to 2035, it is a big important market for them they sell a lot of cars in the UK so stop talking nonsense
Banning is always a bad idea, add a penalty to the ICE cars and make them less financially attractive. Use the revenue for incentives to add and maintain chargers.
I tend to agree with your assessment, however, most governments have set dates they expect will cause little friction, simply because they expect most people will have switched BEFORE that date is reached. I agree with them. We WILL have mostly EV new sales before those dates are reached. What will be interesting to watch is the used vehicle market to see exactly when the bottom drops out on full fuel vehicles, and if that catches people or not.
@@jimthain8777about 40% of UK homes don't have the ability to do home charging. That cohort would be foolish to buy an EV so I don't see major adoption in the next 5-6 years
There is already a massive amount of money available for councils to access for the provision of public charging, my own local council have been inert in this matter for 10 years now, but we now have a change of leadership in that council also, Watch this space, or rather watch the car parks for new chargers.
Only the production of new ICE cars will cease in 2035. You will still be able to buy, own and drive an ice car for many years to come. Far past your lifetime. Nothing is being banned.
Another factor is that the EU has set a target to car sales to improve average fleet co2 emissions. The U K has adopted this. The targets are onerous. So the change from 2030 to 2035 has had less impact than some state. Given manufactures make cars for the world market uk only regs will only limit car selection.
This should not be looked at in isolation. Add to this electrification of homes etc, intermittent elec supplies, backup power for renewables, EVs and charging systems. There are nowhere near enough materials or labour to carry out this work. The problem with the grid is it stops for 40% of the time and battery backup is estimated at £30 trillion every 10 years. Good eh!
Companies should have just stuck to the 2030 date & got on with it. Given 10 years to 2035 & long development times, then why are they even looking at Hybrids? Might as well just go full EV & get ahead in the whole EV field. Having moved from Niro HEV to EV the cost saving are massive. 9 months in & I have paid back the cost of the £1K wall box on exactly the same mileage.
The automaker thinking is orientated around the adption curve, that becomes more fragmented as it EV purchasing moves into the mass market adoption phase. EVs have already undergone the innovator and early adopter phase and have entered the early majority adopter phases - this has occured a lot quicker than many in the industry thought or would have believed. A portion of this mass market majority will elect to buy BEVs as it fit's their needs, another portion are more cautious and cost sensitive so will likely buy PHEVs, and larger portion are highly price sensitve and will seek to buy once more afordable every day BEVs enter the market. This could be soon for some markets, where more afforable Chinese models are allowed entry, but western automakers have prioritised low-volume high profit per car production over volume based profits, hence their products are less affordable, high spec and typically larger cars. Hybrid EVs are not really an 'EV' option, they are a modernisation of fossil fuel cars that are optimised for higher MPG by using a small battery to assist (whether as a mild-hybrid or a battery hybrid). The automakers are seeking to still attract the group of buyings who are agnostics/antaganistic to full battery power vechicles but want higher MPG cars, this forms the late majority and largards, who will buy petrol/hybrid right up to any cut off date set.
Quite a few auto companies are sticking to the 2030 date. As many have had new models in the pipeline for release in 2028. Sol they would have already been planned and designed with the 2030 date.
As a nurse, who needs a car to get to work, my budget for a car, including depreciation, is £2,000 a year … Which is easy with an old ICE car … And I’m not the only one with that budget btw. How am I going to do that with an electric car ? … You elite, ignorant hunts truly sicken me.
@davetakesiton maybe they don't have access to home charging. Owning a PHEV myself it costs me more than petrol per mile to use public charging. It doesn't help that public chargers take an auth of at least 30 pounds every use. EV'S have a very long way to go before being cheaper. Believe me I work for a car rental firm who has now reduced its fleet to a single EV from 50. There is practically zero demand for them. Hybrids people are willing to pay premium for.
£2000 is a healthy budget but yes depreciation on new cars is going to push that up. I usually buy my cars at 3 to 5 year old , get a good one and keep it as long as it is viable, one car was 16 years old when I changed it and the only reason I changed was silly road tax went up to stupid amount so I got a slightly newer car same engine but fell into a lower tax simply due to the year. Leasing is ok if you just want a set budget with no suprises ( repairs can get expensive) but in general just running an old car is cheaper. I've never leased , I can do the math and you pay the depreciation of a new car plus some interest..
buy an old leaf if it has enough range for your commute. They are very cheap to run, maintain, and buy. I'm droving a 2015 with about 140k miles, it's cheap and reliable and can do 60 miles, plenty for my commute and extra journeys.
How much is your petrol bill currently? You can get a decent secondhand EV within your budget. EVs prices have come down massively in the last 12 months both new and secondhand and there would definitely be something within your budget.
Manufacturers should tell the government to do one and they will produce ICE vehicle's no matter what they say about the ban on ICE vehicles after a certain date.
The Americans, Germans and Japanese are already going back away from ev production and investment and returning it to ice. This is very well broadcast and tells you everything you need to know about the next ten years. This is the old tale of the failure when a government interferes in the marketplace. EV’s being forced onto buyers is not democracy and it is not majority supported.
With most top level execs, sales ect and an increasing number of service vehicles using EV the push for change is well underway. The corporations and wealthy will always look after their own comfort as the absolute priority. So all that bri.. er lobbying will be behind EV as the oil giants keep pushing the other way.
apart from the reinstatement of the ICE 2030 ban and the promotion of onshore wind farms? No, but I also said I would be interviewing my local labour MP and getting the actual policies direct from him. Sorry for the delay, but he is busy down in Westminster becoming an MP and back up here setting up his constituency office locally and employing staff.
I hope they take into consideration the disposal of wind turbines and solar panels when they reach the end of life. I understand both are not able to be recycled and will ultimately end up in land fill dumps. I also would like to know what they intend to do at the end of life with the sites that these wind turbines and solar panels occupy. Are they going to renew the solar panels and wind turbines or is there an alternative.
Solar panels can be recycled just like any e-waste. From 1st January 2014 the PV industry has a legal obligation to ensure that PV panels are collected and recycled and to remind you that PV panels can be recycled they are required to be marked with a crossed out wheeled bin. When a wind turbine reaches the end of its life cycle, roughly 85% of its components - including the steel tower, copper wire and gearing - can be recycled. Turbine blades, however, are presently not able to be recycled. There are several companies out there working on the problem and given that the average lifespan of a turbine is 25 years or more we have time to come up with a plan. In the meantime there are a few novel solutions out there,... "BladeBridge" and "Canvus" are a couple of examples pf creative companies turning old wind turbine blades into new products. In the Netherlands the blades have been used in a childrens playground .The maze-like playground, crafted with five damaged turbine blades, was completed in 2008 in the garden of the Kinderparadijs Meidoorn. Children can climb up towers made from blade bases and crawl through a tunnel that was once a 80-foot (25-meter) blade. Outside Cork City, an 18-foot (5.5-meter) pedestrian bridge is one such an alternative. BladeBridge built the bridge from scratch using two retired turbine blades, each 42 feet long, to craft side girders that would typically be made from steel, as well as several other structural components. By reducing the use of steel the projects project’s emissions are 17% lower than conventional pedestrian bridges over the course of a 60-year lifespan. The company is also building two more blade bridges on a popular hiking trail and expects to complete both in 2024. In the main parking lot of the Port of Aalborg in Denmark there is a bicycle shelter made from old blades, the unique shape provides a roof to keep bikes and riders dry and protected from the wind. In Avon Ohio, at every child’s playground they have been used to make benches. Their droplet-shaped shells - painted by local artists - are made by Ohio startup Canvus out of decommissioned wind turbine blades. Canvus offers 11 blade-based products that can be manufactured at scale. Its “deborah” bench, for instance, has shade protection and a swing, while another design, the “beacon,” can be a bench, planter or fountain. So far, Canvus’s craftsmen have given several hundred blades a second life, There are solutions out there at the moment and we have time to think of more. All that's required is a little imagination.
It is unlikely that Labour will chop and change that 2035 date again because of the disruption it will cause. What I hope to see from a government with some vision i.e. GB Energy, is a move to regulate price gouging on public charging and to empower and compel local authorities to up their game on onstreet charging in residential neighbourhoods, car parks etc
I think your analysis is fundamentally flawed. Manufacturers design vehicles for a global market, not the UK. The decision by the previous incompetent government will have made no difference to manufacturers plans at all. In fact, it provided them with an opportunity to sell ICE vehicles post 2030 that remained on their inventories. The point being that the UK does not drive manufacturers investment plans.
Somebody tell HMG ev's are NOT the future! Back in the 1880's rhey even had compressed air cars but the steel cylinders were too heavy and limited range. Coming up to date there are kevlar air cylinders and plastic bodied cars so air driven is now viable for around town but hmg can't extract the taxes they need to keep spending as all politicians do with their pet projects. I note that Japan bought the original air driven patents from the French so can we expect very cheap less polluting compressed air cars in the UK? NO! Since there's nothing much to tax even though its a very eco friendly solution, a blind eye will be turned just like any water driven cars, no money in it for the state. There are great solutions available but alas hmg will never support these eco friendly solutions. What hypocrites! Now do you get what's going on, a capitalist dictatorship forcing ev's upon us whereas there should be a better choice for all but hmg cannot afford true eco friendliness can it?
Taxi drivers are not daft ,driving hybrids like corollas and prius. Very good fuel economy and very reliable plus petrol stations everywhere and very low road tax .
@@davetakesitonI have two solar panels on our campervan it generates just enough to run the fridge and other relatively low powered items. Will not do much to charge a 100 kWh EV battery.
You are missing reading the UK car market. EV and PHEV are being bought by lease companies for BIK salary sacrifice. Petrol and Mild Hybrids which are the same thing are the only private sales. The second hand market is roaring.
Only 1 in 4 people buy a new car. I have never bought a new car in my life. I'd argue that the sales of used cars are 3 times more important than new. The only reason people weren't buying used EVs is because there weren't good enough options considering it is a new technology, that has changed massively. You can now buy a 2020 Tesla Model 3 for around £14k. Fleet or no fleet, lease or no lease, makes very little difference, they are feeding the used market. For me what matters the most is the air quality around me and reducing my chances of getting cancer because of it. EVs on the road is the most important metric for me, it will take years as cars now last quite a long time, easily over 10 years. Having said that I think it will be a lot quicker than most people think, specially when you look at the ridiculous wishful thinking of OPEC+ predictions. It takes only a small drop in oil demand to have a huge effect on oil price. The most effective way to stop the Ukraine war is to cause the price of oil to collapse, that has been the US strategy and is the reason they're being slow helping with weapons and are keeping the interest rates high for too long. They have also started using their strategic oil reserve to keep the price of oil low. This applies not only to Ukraine but to almost every war. After my own health with clean air around me ( I know I'm selfish ) stopping wars is my second reason to really enjoy watching the transition to renewable energy. Each country will move to energy independence not being hostage to other oil producing countries. Sorry for the long ramble, I got a little carried away.
There are a lot of salary sacrifice EV cars that have very low benefit in kind (I have one), but the SMMT figures a lot of people quote lump in PCP and lease sales as ‘Business’. This is mis-leading as I don’t think anyone who has a car on a PCP deal would consider that a business sale. We need much better data from SMMT splitting out these sales into Business and Personal - it’s debatable if a Salary Sacrifice car is Business as I don’t use it for anything to do with Business. It’s impossible at the moment to understand what the real split is.
@@synthmakerEVs needs huge amount of stuff to be moved and processed. The diesel demand is still going up because mines and refining and manufacturing has to scale to meet the battery demand. This is done in China and other Asian nations so hidden from Europe which doesn't do mining or any heavy industries even German has shuttered it chemical industry.
@@johndinsdale1707 There's one very important factor that you're not taking in account. Diesel is a fuel that you keep needing while batteries are the storage, it's a bit like comparing Diesel fuel to a Diesel tank. Batteries are made mostly of metals that are highly recyclable, once we've transitioned to EVs you won't need to mine anymore. Another factor is that the diesel currently needed to move those mined materials around will also transition to electricity, actually it is already happening but similar to road vehicles it will be a slow process. All road transport will eventually be electrified. Except for a tiny minority that will drive ICE vintage cars for fun.
But the second hand EV market will lag behind the new car sales. There are some excellent second hand EV bargins to be had now as the first batches of lease and fleet cars hit the market. There will be less and less newer second hand petrol cars in the market.
Conservative gov: tax it, steal it, sell it to foreign owners. Leave everything broken but tell you good your life will be with £50 a year less tax (while everything you need to buy has gone up through corporate greed). Think about it a bit more. 😊
Hi Dave, Thanks. There was a style of hybrid that used the ICE to recharge the battery, I think BMW did one, also either the Bolt or Volt in US, and the Ampere ( I think it was Vauxhall or its rebrand), are these dead now. They felt like a good alternative if Hybrid was the direction you wanted as they used Electric to drive wheels and ICE only to recharge battery (thus loosing the range issue/charging issue). Re Industries that failed to move on, Kodak and Ilford Film both had the opportunity to move into digital photography but allowed phones to take the market.
@@rugbygirlsdadg I would suggest there fuels for a power station. Given you aren't constrained of space or weight. I'm not sure how this form of Hybrid is worse than any other hybrid. given it means they can work off grid electricity for any local trips (up to about 50 miles I believe), can also recharge from slow chargers, so basically as good as some earlier 'city' cars, but with the advantage of being able to run using petrol. Given Dave was describing other Hybrid types, I thought this type is worth mentioning.
There is no UK owned car market. Germany is the main supplier of cars with Japan and France following up. I don't care, I will buy a Chinese car in the future. 😂
The ownership is pretty irrelevant nowadays. It's where they're built which creates jobs, not where the owners live. And if they're publicly quoted companies, they're not "owned" by a specific country, they're owned by whoever wants to buy their shares...
@@rugbygirlsdadg I live in NZ and I have a Wildtrak x built in Thailand, and an MG ev built in China and for our business a Hyundai I load, I presume built in Korea, plus a Transit! International to be sure.
From 25 of this December there will be no more 10 pound per year for ev motor vehicles with congestion charging. Will now per 15 pound per day ... nice 1 labour ..still shit as before
Take a look at vehicle sales....bty veh come with new issues, Inc very high insurance costs, why, because a minor bump, any issue with bty, the car is a write off. Then there is fire, look at Luton Airport fire, because bty and hybrid cars were in the car park, the fire brigade could not use water, so more cars were destroyed....
@@rogerphelps9939 really which part? My friend works in the fire brigade, you wouldn't believe the extra kit and training involved.....as for insurance, I have a relative that explained to me why most car insurance has gone up in last 2-3 years and will continue to rise.....welcome to EV's.....
@@alanedwards6491 My Skoda Enyaq fully comp insurance was £410. That is vey comparable for the price for a largish ICE SUV. It seems that the insurance companies know hings that you and your relative do not.
@@rogerphelps9939 try asking a larger sample size, the world of insurance does not revolve around one customer! Virtually everyone I know has had increases to their insurance
To me, an earlier date will focus county councils into having to sort a form of charging for those people without off street parking. Also hopefully sending the proper messages about EV ownership and making people understand they do not need to charge every night, batteries don't degrade and the rest.
@@simoncroft9792 True but also it may concentrate them to allow a company to do more to help as well, or allow owners to get a gulley or other system sorted.
Hahaha! Councils don’t care, and they couldn’t afford it either. Is there a national strategy for rolling out chargers with funding from central government? I doubt it. Leave it to the market, and all that.
Don’t force people to buy electric vehicles which are more expensive and not practical or affordable for many. And who pays for expensive offshore wind farms that are unreliable and it should not be acceptable for private companies to be profiting for what the government is there to supply.
I was under the impression that wind farms are supplying lower cost power than coal or nuclear, no one is forcing you to buy an ev, but the power to your home from this source is still cheaper. Do not forget, this energy is produced in the UK and not imported from Russia or elsewhere. Energy independence is vital in the future scheme of things.
Hi Dave, great channel, for my sin’s I bought a Fisker Ocean, taking it on my first big run, I have joined Tesla membership, London to Wakefield, M1, best stops for charging please, if you do this sort of thing, thank you, regards Neil
If Europe Japan, Korea sticks to the 2035 timeline the UK will still be able to buy new ICE cars as we in the UK are dependant overseas manufactures.( thanks to the militant workforce of the 1970s and 80s it all went bankrupt and is no more) It make little difference what the new government says we in the UK have no control on the world automakers.
On the contrary, the law will apply to all cars sold in the UK. It does not matter who makes them. We cannot control what they make but we definitely can control what we allow to be sold and driven on our roads. 100%
@@davetakesiton Well if that's the case it may be very difficult for the motoring public to buy anything. As I work for one of the European car manufactures I can assure that the UK is a very important market and to think that a government will have the upper hand in telling people what they can and cannot buy I have to say I think you are deluding yourself, and please do not trot out the old "well we will all be buying EV by then" because I can tell you from an insiders point of view the EV market is already in free fall both in Europe and the USA and further a field in Australia and New Zeeland. Most of our R&D now is not going into EV but ICE to run on sustainable fuels
It's a funny old game but expect we will come a cropper with mining precious metals for batteries and all the impacts of that of which I'm sure the full facts will come out eventually. Remember when asbestos was a great product and then later the government pushed for a move to diesels. I own a farm and all our machines are diesel. At the moment the very few battery tractors are not suitable and I don't have power in a field and generally run these vehicles for 12-14 hours in the day and no time for any charging. Many countries that don't have a good power grid will still need ice vehicles and I expect you could buy one there and import it to the UK. Like after the 2nd WW old cars went on for so many more years and I expect chaos will happen soon!!
You mean lithium? Lately more and more EV batteries are lithium iron phosphate, no nickel, etc. Some EVs in China even use sodium ion batteries. Batteries with nickel will probably become niche; not as long a battery life. Small to medium cars are the most obvious for EV, but there are trucks and even semis, pricey now, though I have seen a Rivian towing a trailer of hay bales. There's even a Chinese midsize pickup truck. Viable tractors will come eventually.
Bet you have a very large area area of barns that you could use to provide your own solar electricity and sell plenty more to the grid. Alternatively you could set up a solar farm on a few acres and make far more money from that than you ever could from crops and livestock. Batteries would charge in the day and charge your machinery at night. Around where I live many farms have solar farms and a digester to produce mehane from manure is currently being built. You are sitting on a gold mine if you play your cards right.
Nobody at the moment is telling you what to drive you have complete freedom for at least another 6 years. What the government is telling you is that polluting vehicles that emit toxic and carcinogenic and deadly fumes will not be available for you to choose in the future. I agree with that 100%. Do you want to be able to breath in those poisons indefinitely? Is that your argument?
@@davetakesiton I agree for the clean air in the cities. And that is all about it. But EURO6 is quite strict on that. Everything else is a lie. You are not saving the planet. And it is plan made with no strategy. Banning is not a strategy. Why banning ICE's for long distances? People just vote with their wallets and don't buy it.
@@Yorkshireasaurus Those are safety features where regulators have made the manufacturers and hosts to fulfil. Cars are a choice. And this is a plan without a strategy. Without public discussion. And against the market. Bans are not a strategy.
@@sizif717Arguably, having a planet to live on is a big safety issue. Not killing people though poor air quality is another. Plus, this is a government that people elected, just like the Brexit decision. Not everyone was happy with that, "suck it up losers" I think was one of the popular phrases, along with "get over it".
"Free electricity if you live within sight of a wind turbine" the wind turbine has an initial cost, it then has maintenance costs and ultimately replacement costs and when it's not windy then it generates no electricity and no economic value.......so who do you think is going to foot the bills to give you free electricity? That is the same logic as saying the NHS is free.......the NHS is not free it is paid for from our Tax money, we pay for our health care OR (if you're healthy) we pay for other peoples healthcare. Even if you put in your own solar and wind farm that covers your consumption and you have an excess to sell to the grid, you might not be paying for electrical supply and you might be receiving income but you've had to pay for the solar and windfarm and you have to cover any maintenance costs so it is a very long game before you get "free electricity" even when you OWN your own renewable power plant.
Your logic is bollocks. The power company can use free electricity as an inducement to those living near to the wind farm not to raise objections and not having to go through lengthy delays is worth a lot of money. The amount that the power company would have to pay to finance free electricity to the neighbours whren the wind is not blowing is peanuts anyway and more likely than not the power company has other wind farms where the wind is blowing.
@@rogerphelps9939 Yes Roger....as a wind farm investor I'm going to subsidise the locals electricity because my windfarm startup cost is in the millions and the income it will earn is in the thousands of pounds per day (when it's windy) so of course they can write off the energy consumed by the locals who obviously won't start using more electricity and if you cap how much they can use for free then does that really offset the possible drop in their house price because fewer prospective buyers might want to be so close to a windfarm............but hey........you used the B word so your opinion must trump mine.
@@hansj5846none! Some are scaling back production. Too many people just read the headline and not the detail. Sales are down year on year but pure ice are suffering more. Unfortunately too many people have closed minds. The best thing this government can do is mandate 2 weeks test drives in EVs for all ICE users. The resistance would soon falter 😀
Here in NZ, just the opposite, we have had an influx of Chinese made evs in recent years, as they are close, and also our major trading partner ( food and wood). Also we have no car manufacturing here anymore so no need to apply any extra import taxes.
Some points from someone that works in the industry and also have owned, EV, ICE and PHEV. Labour can ban all they want, without an investment in on street chargin its not going to be feasible for average joe that cant afford a house with a drive way Ban on 2030vs2035, i am working with the biggest UK OEM and they have cwrs currently in the pipeline for 2029 production. Luckily for them its a hybrid. But it just shows the timelines where governments chop and change and how it affects them. EVs need to be more accessible to poorer community. A good EV with decent range is not viable for less then 40k oretty much. And those people that cant afford this most likely dont have home charging either, workplace charging is also not very common and there is no incentive from the gov to install them. The UK is still not ready for EVs, the government can han what they like, they need to dip their hands in their pocket or create some better incentives for landlords and businesses to install more 7kw chargers in carparks etc.
I forgot to add. Most of the new car market is dictated by company car drivers. Therefore phev and ev are most common due to the heavy tax penalties of diesel/hybrid. For ref. EV is about £10-£50/month. Phev about 100-200 and diesel/petrol anything from 300-500+/month. Also, if you have a fuel card with your phev, you don't need to charge the battery and end up getting 30-40mpg Vs a non phev would get 50+ maybe. No fuel card you go EV as it's the best option costwise
You paint such a rosey picture without any of the realistic drawbacks. Wind farms have massive drawbacks. End of life, peak demand, high Maintainance, it could never replace fossil or nuclear. Wind and solar on a good day may give 7%….. you are living in a dream world just like Labour. They will ruin gdp. Energy + = gdp growth. If you reduce energy inflation rockets up.
Love your made up figures. Several days recently wind and solar made up 100% of our daily power. Plus how does dismantling a nuclear power station compare to removing a wind turbine?
evs could go the way of 3d tv, there was talk of 3drv being the new fangled device thar was going to revolutionise tv, so i went out and bought one that thing hangs on my wall and has not been switched on in 4 years,
I was in Singapore just last week and not a Tesla in sight! plenty of BYDs though, back here in NZ, Tesla still rules the waves at the moment. ( I have an MG ).
@rogerphelps9939 my grandparents lived into their 90s, their parents lived in their mid 80s. Are you suggesting that if I don't drive an ev that my grand child will somehow die younger than my grandparents/great parents despite cars being more eco friendly now?
Yes, Steven total fantasy that their sales are down from a record high and production is down from record highs and profit is down leaving Tesla the only EV manufacturer in the world making a profit. Ask Ford about their $5 billion loss.
UK Democracy, Choice of new car sales after 2030/35. Why should the UK general public lay down and just accept that we all MUST buy Electric Cars after 2030/35 this is just not on and there will be a massive back lash from the UK General public. We as a Nation will not be dictated to by the UK Government or indeed any European Ruling. The UK only produce a total of 0.9% Co2 per year, this is minuscule compared to China, America and others. People say well the exhaust emissions from petrol or diesel cars are killing us as we breath it in but consider the electric car for a moment, it takes over 16,000 miles from a new to reach net zero apparently and when you consider the fleet market change cars for new ones every year or two years that means a lot of these electric cars do not reach net zero and the second hand electric car market is sluggish at the moment as private buyers are not convinced about how well the electric car traction battery has ben treated by company car drives who need to travel from A to B as fast as possible so DC charging is the fastest way of charging and the most damaging to the electric car traction battery. Then there is the danger of E.M.F. Developed in the electric car whist driving which if above 3.5 can becomes an issue and people are seeing this as another hazard in driving an all electric car let alone the charging infrastructure. UK Government must be sensitive to the UK public when banning anything from the UK General public. Don’t you think this decision should be made by the UK General public and we all have a vote on this 2030/35 ban on new petrol or diesel cars issue? I feel that we all should continue to have the option of buying new petrol,diesel,Hybrids and full electric cars after 2030/35 as we all live in a democratic society in the UK full stop.
OK so you want the UK population to vote for allowing all 35 million ICE cars to continue spewing out poisonous, toxic, carcinogenic fumes and particles from exhaust pipes for ever, just to appease the multi billion £ oil giants? The reason for the ban is not to force you into EVs, it is to finally stop everyone from pouring out lethal fumes that are causing 50,000 premature deaths a year and causing numerous chronic illnesses and conditions. Anyone who fights against that might care to explain why they want that. I am waiting.
Driving a car is not a human right, it's a privilege, and with that comes responsibilities. Not drinking, not taking drugs which impair your driving, not driving with certain medical conditions, not driving dangerously. All of which are designed to protect others. The same with the end of ice cars.
@@davetakesiton Many thank Dave for your reply. I can see your point of view but can’t you see you are also being manipulated into the corner of all electric cars only by the Government and with some EU pressure as well. If you look further afield in the World you will see that electric cars are not being taken up as predicted so it’s not just a UK scenario. We know from the scientists who are telling us that the traction battery can be broken down but the chemicals used will take a long,long time to degrade. Just by the by Dave do you know what is happening with regards to the state of play regarding new nuclear power stations as I think this will be the way to support the National Grid. Love your channel Dave you make some very good videos and content, must take you sometime to make.
@@rugbygirlsdadg Thank you for your comments. I think in 2024 it’s standard for the general public to be able to use a vehicle to travel around. Being told that by 2030/34 every person in the UK must if they choose to buy a new car it MUST be full electric is not a democratic action, in fact it’s a dictator attitude which flys in face of our UK democracy don’t you think?
Electricity generation should be small modular nuclear distributed everywhere. These are the size of a small substation. If they eventually adopt Thorium reactors they are safer than ever too. Roll Royce are developing SMR's but based on Uranium at the moment, but the target for delivery is around 2030. China is big on Thorium though so fingers crossed they get them out globally so we can all have cheaper energy.
@@philcotswold5940 Dave is right when he states that peoples attitudes to things change depending on the perceived benefits for them personally. If you have ugly turbines you get a decent discount and because the electricity is from your area. We need a mix of renewable and nuclear.
In the UK with the ZEV mandate all automakers have to sell a minimum percentage of BEV each year. This rises quickly over the next few years from 22% this year to 52% by 2028 and 80% by 2030. Failure to meet this percentage results in large fines for those companies not reaching the target of £15k per car under the target. Expect to see massive discounts on EVs towards the back end of the year as legacy auto struggle to meet the target.
👍 have been saying this about the ZEV mandate for some time as it was all smoke and mirrors when the Tories movie the date of purchase EV'S but not the ZEV mandates just to please there supporters. So it will be over to Tesla, BYD, and the other Chinese to take over from Ford, VW and the like.
@@colinrobinson7869 How do you work out that EV-only car makers will prosper when EV sales are dropping ? That is some kinda logic you have there.
@@chrissmith2114 SMMT figures for car sales year to date as of June 2024 are : Diesel. -12.1% Petrol. +2.7% BEV. +9.2%
So BEV's sales are going up at 9.2% Diesel sales are falling and petrol sales are OK but are being out paced by BEV's
@@colinrobinson7869 Exactly a pointless confusing headline as they did not change the ZEV mandate at the same time. Lets see what Labour do.
Hi Dave, greetings from Oxford. I’m 58YO, when I was young I was passionate about politics, but now I am rather agnostic. Having said that, the last lot were clearly trying to delay any progress on renewable energy and electrification. We have all been suffering from ridiculously high electricity prices after Putin’s invasion of Ukraine when the energy market panicked. Our government was complicit in ripping off the citizens and lining the pockets of the fossil fuel companies, they were tested, and showed us where their true loyalty was.
I think the issue with fuel prices was sanctions and the US destroying the Nordstream. At least we have learned our lesson not to mess with other countries just look after the UK first.
@@michaeldawson6309 Hi Michael, Russia turned off Nordstream, when the pipeline was blown up, it was already shut down. There is no evidence that the USA was involved in the sabotage of Nordstream, however Russian vessels were observed in the location of the sabotage.
@@simonreeves2017 it was destroyed because Germany wanted to buy the Russian gas again. So, who blew it up?
@@michaeldawson6309if we don’t support Ukraine then next it will be The Baltics, Poland and perhaps even the east of Germany (the old ‘Soviet Empire’). Putin has made his intentions quite clear.
@@richardpennington5445 and @simonreeves2017 What deep state mind control, drugs are you on?
As reported by the Fully Charged Podcast, according to Lazard (US investment bank - who take great and detailed interest in such things) the combination of wind, solar and battery storage to provide continuous 24/7 supply is the cheapest source of energy at a worldwide average cost of $50 (US) per MWh. Coal comes in at $168/MWh; gas varies between $45 and $108; utility solar including battery storage between $29 and $62 and nuclear at$182. I guess they are looking for the best investment - the ones that will succeed with the greatest growth potential. It's obvious.
They (Fully Charged) also report that Hinkley Point C which was started construction in 2007 with an estimated budget of £9 billion and completion date of 2017 - is behind schedule and over budget. It is now estimated for completion in 2031 ar a cost of £35 billion. Only £26 billion over budget and 14 years late...
Right now am in China & in all main cities new cars are EVs. All the motorcycles are also electric.
And nearly all their power stations are coal!!
@@michael.randall5034 Exactly - China has to import oil, but they have billions of tons of domestic reserves of dirty brown coal that they can burn to charge their 'clean EV'..
If this government brings in pay per mile for EVs only to start with, like many have suggested, the whole labour movement will get booted out.
Actually most will laugh.
Pay per mile is the only sensible method of taxing road vehicles in future. The thing is it will be fair. Unfortunately tthe government does need to raise money for building and maintaining roads. At present the money comes from tax on petrol and diesel. As the number of EVs grows there will be a shortfall so an alternative way of raising money from road users is required. Pay per mile could be used for all vehicles and could be weighed heavily on fossil fuel powered vehicles, after all the current tax on petrol and diesel does not even remotely reflect the damage heir emissions are doing currenttly to vulnerable people and to our grandchildrens prospects of living in a hospitable world. Pa per mile could be implementted very easily. The mileage is already recorded at the annual MOT test anyway.
@@rogerphelps9939 It will never be fair the government cannot be trusted in anyway at all. Look at net zero £6Billion added to bills each year currently and KS in private jets.
I'd prefer road taxes were levied through actual usage than other means to be honest. Something must change and pay per mile is an idea. Personally I think a more hybrid approach is needed with a basic tax for all then pay per mile on top.
I suggest that the last major disruptive change in the motor industy was the move to Unitary contruction in the 1950's which resulted in a cull of many companies, and a bonus for those that got it right.
As for compulsion , the motor industry has always , in the main, resisted change. It is only with legislation that Seat Belts became normal, or safety glass, or less polluting engines, and so on. The 'end date' for fossil fuelled cars is a necessity to promote change.
Great video, real facts!
I was in China, its all electric there, I did not see combustion cars...and the fact they want to sell EV s here to
Thousands at the docks they cant sell them.
Great video
The SNP were instrumental in many people buying EVs in Scotland using their scrappage scheme whereby you were given £8,000 if you scrapped an ICE car which you had owned for 2 years. This was a brilliant idea, and coupled with MG offering discounts, saved nearly £10,000. Over and above this Scotgov had a scheme which provided free home chargers in Scotland. The SNP encouraged investment in wind turbines with special Corporation Tax roll over relief, meaning I own shares in a wind turbine company which cost me nothing. Labour are about to nationalise wind farms with no compensation to shareholders... they're too scared to take on Shell.
Nationalise wind farms? Where are you getting your news from!
Who pays for all those grants?
@@paulmunt8350 It came from a fund where Scotgov charged for planning permission for wind turbines. There is still a considerable amount in that fund.
Pity,the value of the ev's they purchased have now plummeted.
@@paulmunt8350 My Ev's have actually increased in value because of the scheme I use to buy them, or rather lease them. One of them is an 8 year old Model X which has done over 100k. I have solar so there is no energy costs and no petrol. The latest lease is for an MG4 long range. I cannot believe there are mugs out there still buying petrol and diesel.
The legacy auto makers supply a global market place. The UK is a small market compared to the rest of the world. The global shift to EV production will play a part in what we in the UK are able to buy. Auto makers have been in this situation many times before. In the 80,s there was a European directive on drive by noise. The legislation was put back and then brought forward again. I don’t agree with the government putting Vehicle excise duty on EV,s ,or that they can dictate what we drive. But the simple matter is, if the majority of new vehicles available to the UK market are BEV,people will have to adopt them. What all the fuss is about when this change in some years away,is beyond me.The biggest disgrace is the UK,s charging infrastructure is ten years behind the rest of Europe,and the roads are third world quality at best. Whatever we are able to drive, we’ll be taxed to the hilt for it.
I was watching Bjorn Nyland's recent video on the Fiat e600 and he was saying it costs 7 Euro Cents per kWh to charge in Norway.
Speaking to a friend who works for national grid was saying the local cable network is very old in some cases in the days when they called it the 'electric light company!' and will need substantial civils work and expense if this is to be improved. Might be good for employment but needs planning and investment.
@s111nps Well said the best comment I have seen on here yet.
If I was a legacy ICE maker I’d be concentrating on PHEVs to get my customers used to the plug in future and at the same time I’d be making sure I’m investing and innovating in all electronic.
As it stands it looks like the likes of Ford are already being left behind by the likes of BYD and Kia.
WHEN THEY BUY ONE AND ROYALS BUY THEM THEN NO KEEP YOUR MILK FLOATS
Under the 2035 scheme, 80% of new cars would have to be Electric or Hybrid, the EU says 2035, so I really don't think it will make much difference changing to 2030. You want to be talking to your MP about how they are going to replace VED, pay per mile? If so, if you can't charge at home, the cost per mile would be very expensive. I've an EV and wouldn't go back. Why have you ignored some basic information, if not political?
Regarding renewables, I heard we are generating more than we can store as being a bigger issue than producing it. Also offshore is obviously better so why not create offshore ship farms rather than sticking a great big pole all the way down to the seabed? Is that a genius thought path or am I having a moment of false innovation 😂
Whether a government mandates 2030, or 2035 is going to be less, and less important.
The fact is all the governments have set their mandates at dates that they feel fairly secure about the fact the market will already be mostly EV.
Once change starts to happen it can snowball pretty fast.
At the end of WWI vehicles were beginning to hit their stride, before 1930, cars were everywhere.
In 1919, finding a petrol station would have been a challenge. By 1930 Petrol stations were already in place in many places, and more were being built wherever they were needed.
Things are going to be very similar to that with renewable energy and EVs.
It's just how disruptive revolutions go.
History has shown this to be true time, and time again.
The change in car tax rules will mean more private buyers going to PHEV rather than BEV as the "luxury" car tax extra £350 per year for 6 years cuts the current BEV benefit. Constant tinkering with tax rules will help no one make a long term decision.
The problem is that about 40% of UK homes don't have a driveway so lack the ability to charge at home. Creating a two tier system where some can charge overnight for dirt cheap and everyone else has to use more expensive charging points is going to cause a lot of resentment.
Quite a lot of that 40% don’t have a car, not necessary in large cities where public transport is good.
The new government has promised a review of planning rules, that should help. PLus the provision of more public charging schemes. Even simple things like allowing the installation of conduits for across pavement charge cables would make a great difference. Some councils already do it.
@@malcolmsutton6740absolute rubbish. unless planning on making cars a privilege where not only do you have to pass driving test but also pass a test to show your need for a car then people in homes without access to home charging will still be having cars.
I live in an estate where just 2 homes have drives, in a town with railway station and good public transport. We have off-road parking but is not suitable for home charging as quite often other side of road. All of the allocated bays and most of the visitor bays are full of cars. I have 2. Personal car and 1 for work.
There is one EV in our road, belonging to the owner of one of tomes which has a drive.
I had looked to goto the watercress line today, however whilst just under an hour in the car, then would be 3 charges on trains to get there and roughly 2 hours with the walk to railway station.
Could I do the journey on public transport, yes, would I, NO.
Alresford is a lovely town however it is also quite old in terms of housings stock and whilst the houses are lovely they definitely did not build a lot of that town other then the newest expansion development with cars in mind. Roads are narrow, very little driveways etc and alresford isn’t a cheap place and they aren’t flats, yet EV owning is not going to be home charging.
GWSR at broadway don’t even want to work out how would get their.
Visiting my parents for the weekend. 1 train an hour, 2 hours with 2 changes and got to carry luggage for the weekend.
Quite how would visit friend in the village they used to live in. 2 trains and 1 bus with the last bus being out to the village at 6:00pm oh and I forgot to mention he doesn’t finish work till 6:00 and would leave no public transport to actually get home other then taxi.
Visit my uncle, again 2 trains and a bus.
Of course I just actually get in my car and put what need in the boot, and leave when ready. Drive over to see my friend in the village and drive back to parents, Drive the car to my uncles etc.
Not sure how my life is out of the ordinary in that visit friends, family go out to leisure activities.
Why do you think, London, Birmingham, Manchester all of which have good public transport still full of cars.
Why can't you have chargers where people park their cars?
Having chargers in car parks or along pavements isn't exactly rocket science
@@malcolmsutton6740 That is not the case in the real world.
I live in a home without home charging available, parking bay the opposite side of the road so any cable dragging would done across a road not a pavement.
Where I live in has good public transport and also a mainline railway station.
I had looked at visiting the Mid Hants Railway today and to get there on public transport is 2 hours and 4 trains, so changing 3 times.
Or can do door to door in about an hour.
Could I do this on Public Transport, yes in theory but not in reality.
Alresford where the Mid Hants finishes is a lovely English Town, however when you walk off the main street then is some nice houses (more then I can afford) built on narrow roads well before car ownership was a thing.
All have cars parked outside them if not multiple.
Visitng the Gloucester and Warwickshire Railway at Broadway is hour in car or 2 hours on Public Transport with 1 train an hour
Again you aren't going to use Public Transport for this.
Visiting my parents for weekend in birmingham is 15minute walk to railway station with luggage, 3 trains and then another 15min walk at the other end with one train an hour for the connections.
Reality is that I put luggage in car and drive up when I am ready.
Whilst am there then use the car to get across to the village I grew up with to see friends vs 2 trains and a bus where the last bus too the village is 6:00pm and no return after that so as he doesn't finish work till 6:00pm then would be impractical to go earlier.
The road I live in is about 140 homes and 2 of them have suitable parking, all of the allocated parking bays have cars and overflow into the visitors and road.
Work from home, however when do go out then is to setup new warehouses, for which most definitely need own vehicle.
Don't see how am different to average person that works for a living but likes to get out and about in personal time.
Not sure where you get this idea that the majority of people with homes without suitable parking for home charging don't own cars from.
You vastly overestimate the importance of the UK market and legislation. None of the larger companies develops cars for that market - they just make a modified version for the UK market. The EU in reality is the big legislator for the European car manufacturers and China for the Chinese manufacturers. Whether the UK government says 2030 or 2035 is not that important from a planning perspective.
If the UK government wants to influence the market share of electric vehicles, their best bet is to do something about the charging infrastructure. Many more charging options along the streets to make it possible to charge overnight are indispensible.
So, nobody makes a specific right hand drive version that meets all UK regulations?
@@davetakesiton No, they just modify one of the models to fit right hand drive - if they even do that. Look at Tesla model S & X that are no longer available for right hand drive. The British market is too small for specific models to developed for that market alone. The much more important thing is the big markets and their regulations. If there were no other countries requiring right hand drive versions, that would be a major problem. Thankfully, Japan, Thailand, Australia, NZ etc. all add up to enough volume to make a limited production viable.
The UK government deciding to phase out ICE five years earlier or later is small fry. When the UK was part of the EU it was different - the inner market is an order of magnitude larger than the UK market.
@@JKristofferNielsen Hi JK, the right hand steering wheel is a lot more common than you might imagine, I live in lovely NZ, and we have plenty of evs here ( I have an MG ) also Japan, Singapore, South Africa, India, Australia, Thailand and other countries also have the steering wheel on the wrong side. 😃
@@TerryHickey-xt4mf That is - as I said - the reason that right hand drive versions exist. But the British policy changes makes little change to the car companies as far as development and overall direction is concerned. The British market is only a part of those markets - and decreasing in relative importance. The potential size of the market in countries like India is way more important.
As such, the changes in policies in the UK is not THAT important. It will not make any of the big car manufacturers change anything major. They might change the allocation of models for the British market - but that is a minor detail in the planning for these companies.
Nobody bothers to make models only for the British market. The British market share of the total RHD market is shrinking anyway due to the other RHD markets increasing far more. That is the point I'm trying to make: UK policy is not really important anymore in the big picture.
@JKristofferNielson The big car manufacturers were furious when the UK government moved the goalposts from 2030 to 2035, it is a big important market for them they sell a lot of cars in the UK so stop talking nonsense
Banning is always a bad idea, add a penalty to the ICE cars and make them less financially attractive. Use the revenue for incentives to add and maintain chargers.
Yes a much better route as this give people choice without big government mandates. You just pay more just like they do on road tax.
I tend to agree with your assessment, however, most governments have set dates they expect will cause little friction, simply because they expect most people will have switched BEFORE that date is reached.
I agree with them. We WILL have mostly EV new sales before those dates are reached.
What will be interesting to watch is the used vehicle market to see exactly when the bottom drops out on full fuel vehicles, and if that catches people or not.
@@jimthain8777about 40% of UK homes don't have the ability to do home charging. That cohort would be foolish to buy an EV so I don't see major adoption in the next 5-6 years
There is already a massive amount of money available for councils to access for the provision of public charging, my own local council have been inert in this matter for 10 years now, but we now have a change of leadership in that council also, Watch this space, or rather watch the car parks for new chargers.
Only the production of new ICE cars will cease in 2035. You will still be able to buy, own and drive an ice car for many years to come. Far past your lifetime. Nothing is being banned.
Another factor is that the EU has set a target to car sales to improve average fleet co2 emissions. The U K has adopted this. The targets are onerous. So the change from 2030 to 2035 has had less impact than some state. Given manufactures make cars for the world market uk only regs will only limit car selection.
*UK Car Sales H1 2024;*
*Petrol:* 55% Market Share. 554,087 Sales *>* 539,606 H1 2023
*Diesel:* 6.6% Market Share. 66,220 Sales *
None of that is a surprise she is well published. As is the decline in petrol and diesel as a percentage from last year.
Hybrid and PHEV up.
This should not be looked at in isolation. Add to this electrification of homes etc, intermittent elec supplies, backup power for renewables, EVs and charging systems. There are nowhere near enough materials or labour to carry out this work. The problem with the grid is it stops for 40% of the time and battery backup is estimated at £30 trillion every 10 years. Good eh!
If they revert back to 2030.. 2030-2035 you won’t be able to by a hybrid, it must be a plug in hybrid.
And righttly so. So called self charging hybrids are just a Toyota led con.
Companies should have just stuck to the 2030 date & got on with it. Given 10 years to 2035 & long development times, then why are they even looking at Hybrids? Might as well just go full EV & get ahead in the whole EV field. Having moved from Niro HEV to EV the cost saving are massive. 9 months in & I have paid back the cost of the £1K wall box on exactly the same mileage.
The automaker thinking is orientated around the adption curve, that becomes more fragmented as it EV purchasing moves into the mass market adoption phase.
EVs have already undergone the innovator and early adopter phase and have entered the early majority adopter phases - this has occured a lot quicker than many in the industry thought or would have believed. A portion of this mass market majority will elect to buy BEVs as it fit's their needs, another portion are more cautious and cost sensitive so will likely buy PHEVs, and larger portion are highly price sensitve and will seek to buy once more afordable every day BEVs enter the market. This could be soon for some markets, where more afforable Chinese models are allowed entry, but western automakers have prioritised low-volume high profit per car production over volume based profits, hence their products are less affordable, high spec and typically larger cars.
Hybrid EVs are not really an 'EV' option, they are a modernisation of fossil fuel cars that are optimised for higher MPG by using a small battery to assist (whether as a mild-hybrid or a battery hybrid). The automakers are seeking to still attract the group of buyings who are agnostics/antaganistic to full battery power vechicles but want higher MPG cars, this forms the late majority and largards, who will buy petrol/hybrid right up to any cut off date set.
Quite a few auto companies are sticking to the 2030 date. As many have had new models in the pipeline for release in 2028. Sol they would have already been planned and designed with the 2030 date.
As a nurse, who needs a car to get to work, my budget for a car, including depreciation, is £2,000 a year … Which is easy with an old ICE car … And I’m not the only one with that budget btw.
How am I going to do that with an electric car ? … You elite, ignorant hunts truly sicken me.
Before you rant at us, get a lease, brand new GMW Ora £150 per month and the running costs will be less than your petrol bill was.
@davetakesiton maybe they don't have access to home charging. Owning a PHEV myself it costs me more than petrol per mile to use public charging. It doesn't help that public chargers take an auth of at least 30 pounds every use. EV'S have a very long way to go before being cheaper. Believe me I work for a car rental firm who has now reduced its fleet to a single EV from 50. There is practically zero demand for them. Hybrids people are willing to pay premium for.
£2000 is a healthy budget but yes depreciation on new cars is going to push that up.
I usually buy my cars at 3 to 5 year old , get a good one and keep it as long as it is viable, one car was 16 years old when I changed it and the only reason I changed was silly road tax went up to stupid amount so I got a slightly newer car same engine but fell into a lower tax simply due to the year.
Leasing is ok if you just want a set budget with no suprises ( repairs can get expensive) but in general just running an old car is cheaper.
I've never leased , I can do the math and you pay the depreciation of a new car plus some interest..
buy an old leaf if it has enough range for your commute. They are very cheap to run, maintain, and buy. I'm droving a 2015 with about 140k miles, it's cheap and reliable and can do 60 miles, plenty for my commute and extra journeys.
How much is your petrol bill currently? You can get a decent secondhand EV within your budget. EVs prices have come down massively in the last 12 months both new and secondhand and there would definitely be something within your budget.
Manufacturers should tell the government to do one and they will produce ICE vehicle's no matter what they say about the ban on ICE vehicles after a certain date.
It doesn't work like that. Seems you are happy to see the end of civilisation as we know it for your grandchildren.
The Americans, Germans and Japanese are already going back away from ev production and investment and returning it to ice.
This is very well broadcast and tells you everything you need to know about the next ten years.
This is the old tale of the failure when a government interferes in the marketplace.
EV’s being forced onto buyers is not democracy and it is not majority supported.
With most top level execs, sales ect and an increasing number of service vehicles using EV the push for change is well underway.
The corporations and wealthy will always look after their own comfort as the absolute priority. So all that bri.. er lobbying will be behind EV as the oil giants keep pushing the other way.
The face of a traitor.
All great but you haven’t said a word about labour EV policies…
apart from the reinstatement of the ICE 2030 ban and the promotion of onshore wind farms? No, but I also said I would be interviewing my local labour MP and getting the actual policies direct from him. Sorry for the delay, but he is busy down in Westminster becoming an MP and back up here setting up his constituency office locally and employing staff.
@@davetakesiton fair enough but those two are not really policies if you ask me. And not really specifically for EV drivers.
I hope they take into consideration the disposal of wind turbines and solar panels when they reach the end of life. I understand both are not able to be recycled and will ultimately end up in land fill dumps. I also would like to know what they intend to do at the end of life with the sites that these wind turbines and solar panels occupy. Are they going to renew the solar panels and wind turbines or is there an alternative.
Solar panels can be recycled just like any e-waste. From 1st January 2014 the PV industry has a legal obligation to ensure that PV panels are collected and recycled and to remind you that PV panels can be recycled they are required to be marked with a crossed out wheeled bin.
When a wind turbine reaches the end of its life cycle, roughly 85% of its components - including the steel tower, copper wire and gearing - can be recycled. Turbine blades, however, are presently not able to be recycled. There are several companies out there working on the problem and given that the average lifespan of a turbine is 25 years or more we have time to come up with a plan.
In the meantime there are a few novel solutions out there,... "BladeBridge" and "Canvus" are a couple of examples pf creative companies turning old wind turbine blades into new products.
In the Netherlands the blades have been used in a childrens playground .The maze-like playground, crafted with five damaged turbine blades, was completed in 2008 in the garden of the Kinderparadijs Meidoorn. Children can climb up towers made from blade bases and crawl through a tunnel that was once a 80-foot (25-meter) blade.
Outside Cork City, an 18-foot (5.5-meter) pedestrian bridge is one such an alternative. BladeBridge built the bridge from scratch using two retired turbine blades, each 42 feet long, to craft side girders that would typically be made from steel, as well as several other structural components. By reducing the use of steel the projects project’s emissions are 17% lower than conventional pedestrian bridges over the course of a 60-year lifespan. The company is also building two more blade bridges on a popular hiking trail and expects to complete both in 2024.
In the main parking lot of the Port of Aalborg in Denmark there is a bicycle shelter made from old blades, the unique shape provides a roof to keep bikes and riders dry and protected from the wind.
In Avon Ohio, at every child’s playground they have been used to make benches. Their droplet-shaped shells - painted by local artists - are made by Ohio startup Canvus out of decommissioned wind turbine blades. Canvus offers 11 blade-based products that can be manufactured at scale. Its “deborah” bench, for instance, has shade protection and a swing, while another design, the “beacon,” can be a bench, planter or fountain. So far, Canvus’s craftsmen have given several hundred blades a second life,
There are solutions out there at the moment and we have time to think of more. All that's required is a little imagination.
It is unlikely that Labour will chop and change that 2035 date again because of the disruption it will cause.
What I hope to see from a government with some vision i.e. GB Energy, is a move to regulate price gouging on public charging and to empower and compel local authorities to up their game on onstreet charging in residential neighbourhoods, car parks etc
If EVs are the answer it must have been a really stupid question.
I think your analysis is fundamentally flawed. Manufacturers design vehicles for a global market, not the UK. The decision by the previous incompetent government will have made no difference to manufacturers plans at all. In fact, it provided them with an opportunity to sell ICE vehicles post 2030 that remained on their inventories. The point being that the UK does not drive manufacturers investment plans.
As an aside, did you notice that the Forensic Depts van outside the London house linked to the bodies in suitcases enquiry is a Nissan BEV?
I didn't, cheers
Our local Royal Mail deliveries are now done by a man in an elecric van.
Only 26 million ev's out of 1.46 billion cars globally. Long way to go .
Somebody tell HMG ev's are NOT the future! Back in the 1880's rhey even had compressed air cars but the steel cylinders were too heavy and limited range. Coming up to date there are kevlar air cylinders and plastic bodied cars so air driven is now viable for around town but hmg can't extract the taxes they need to keep spending as all politicians do with their pet projects. I note that Japan bought the original air driven patents from the French so can we expect very cheap less polluting compressed air cars in the UK? NO! Since there's nothing much to tax even though its a very eco friendly solution, a blind eye will be turned just like any water driven cars, no money in it for the state. There are great solutions available but alas hmg will never support these eco friendly solutions. What hypocrites! Now do you get what's going on, a capitalist dictatorship forcing ev's upon us whereas there should be a better choice for all but hmg cannot afford true eco friendliness can it?
I thought that Labour had reverted back to the original 2030 deadline.
www.gov.uk/government/news/government-takes-historic-step-towards-net-zero-with-end-of-sale-of-new-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2030
Care to refute this Dave?
Taxi drivers are not daft ,driving hybrids like corollas and prius. Very good fuel economy and very reliable plus petrol stations everywhere and very low road tax .
The taxi drivers vehicle of choice is the MG5: an EV.
Bring on full electric motorhomes :-)
And what a great area for solar panels on the roof. It will happen
@@davetakesitonI have two solar panels on our campervan it generates just enough to run the fridge and other relatively low powered items. Will not do much to charge a 100 kWh EV battery.
@@michaeldawson6309 😂You’ll need your own mobile substation to power one of those vulgar monstrosities.
Romania will make right hand drive cars register them for a week with a company then sell here
You are missing reading the UK car market. EV and PHEV are being bought by lease companies for BIK salary sacrifice. Petrol and Mild Hybrids which are the same thing are the only private sales. The second hand market is roaring.
Only 1 in 4 people buy a new car. I have never bought a new car in my life. I'd argue that the sales of used cars are 3 times more important than new. The only reason people weren't buying used EVs is because there weren't good enough options considering it is a new technology, that has changed massively. You can now buy a 2020 Tesla Model 3 for around £14k. Fleet or no fleet, lease or no lease, makes very little difference, they are feeding the used market. For me what matters the most is the air quality around me and reducing my chances of getting cancer because of it. EVs on the road is the most important metric for me, it will take years as cars now last quite a long time, easily over 10 years. Having said that I think it will be a lot quicker than most people think, specially when you look at the ridiculous wishful thinking of OPEC+ predictions. It takes only a small drop in oil demand to have a huge effect on oil price. The most effective way to stop the Ukraine war is to cause the price of oil to collapse, that has been the US strategy and is the reason they're being slow helping with weapons and are keeping the interest rates high for too long. They have also started using their strategic oil reserve to keep the price of oil low. This applies not only to Ukraine but to almost every war. After my own health with clean air around me ( I know I'm selfish ) stopping wars is my second reason to really enjoy watching the transition to renewable energy. Each country will move to energy independence not being hostage to other oil producing countries. Sorry for the long ramble, I got a little carried away.
There are a lot of salary sacrifice EV cars that have very low benefit in kind (I have one), but the SMMT figures a lot of people quote lump in PCP and lease sales as ‘Business’. This is mis-leading as I don’t think anyone who has a car on a PCP deal would consider that a business sale.
We need much better data from SMMT splitting out these sales into Business and Personal - it’s debatable if a Salary Sacrifice car is Business as I don’t use it for anything to do with Business. It’s impossible at the moment to understand what the real split is.
@@synthmakerEVs needs huge amount of stuff to be moved and processed. The diesel demand is still going up because mines and refining and manufacturing has to scale to meet the battery demand. This is done in China and other Asian nations so hidden from Europe which doesn't do mining or any heavy industries even German has shuttered it chemical industry.
@@johndinsdale1707
There's one very important factor that you're not taking in account. Diesel is a fuel that you keep needing while batteries are the storage, it's a bit like comparing Diesel fuel to a Diesel tank. Batteries are made mostly of metals that are highly recyclable, once we've transitioned to EVs you won't need to mine anymore. Another factor is that the diesel currently needed to move those mined materials around will also transition to electricity, actually it is already happening but similar to road vehicles it will be a slow process. All road transport will eventually be electrified. Except for a tiny minority that will drive ICE vintage cars for fun.
But the second hand EV market will lag behind the new car sales. There are some excellent second hand EV bargins to be had now as the first batches of lease and fleet cars hit the market. There will be less and less newer second hand petrol cars in the market.
Will petrol motorbikes be lumped into this possible 2030 deadline also?
No, motorcycles are still under consultation.
If it's possible to do it.. they will tax it.. ban it restrict it.. doesn't matter what it is.
So this hasn't ever happened previously then?
Conservative gov: tax it, steal it, sell it to foreign owners. Leave everything broken but tell you good your life will be with £50 a year less tax (while everything you need to buy has gone up through corporate greed).
Think about it a bit more. 😊
Are we still getting road taxed on all electric vehicles after 2017
This makes my blood boil
So who do you think should pay for the roads you drive on instead of you?
So petrol and diesel cars should pay less tax than an EV?? The EV should pay tax but less than polluting cars
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@TheAlien1974 Yes, a lot less. Raising tax on ICE vehicles would help drive them off the road.
2017?
And same old rubbish!
Hi Dave,
Thanks.
There was a style of hybrid that used the ICE to recharge the battery,
I think BMW did one, also either the Bolt or Volt in US, and the Ampere ( I think it was Vauxhall or its rebrand), are these dead now.
They felt like a good alternative if Hybrid was the direction you wanted as they used Electric to drive wheels and ICE only to recharge battery (thus loosing the range issue/charging issue).
Re Industries that failed to move on, Kodak and Ilford Film both had the opportunity to move into digital photography but allowed phones to take the market.
Nissan's new e-power cars do this
What would you think if somebody suggested building a petrol/diesel powered power station?
That's what these hybrids are.
@@rugbygirlsdadg Burning fossil fuels to generate electricity is the future !! Why haven't we done this before ? 🤣🤣🤣
@@rugbygirlsdadg I would suggest there fuels for a power station. Given you aren't constrained of space or weight.
I'm not sure how this form of Hybrid is worse than any other hybrid.
given it means they can work off grid electricity for any local trips (up to about 50 miles I believe), can also recharge from slow chargers, so basically as good as some earlier 'city' cars, but with the advantage of being able to run using petrol.
Given Dave was describing other Hybrid types, I thought this type is worth mentioning.
There is no UK owned car market. Germany is the main supplier of cars with Japan and France following up.
I don't care, I will buy a Chinese car in the future. 😂
The ownership is pretty irrelevant nowadays. It's where they're built which creates jobs, not where the owners live. And if they're publicly quoted companies, they're not "owned" by a specific country, they're owned by whoever wants to buy their shares...
@@rugbygirlsdadg I live in NZ and I have a Wildtrak x built in Thailand, and an MG ev built in China and for our business a Hyundai I load, I presume built in Korea, plus a Transit!
International to be sure.
From 25 of this December there will be no more 10 pound per year for ev motor vehicles with congestion charging. Will now per 15 pound per day ... nice 1 labour ..still shit as before
@@simonoakley5102 Surely you must’ve known this was coming? The incentives were there to lure people in,like a rat in a trap! 😂
@@p51dgp91 yea true that as it happens just such a jump though
Take a look at vehicle sales....bty veh come with new issues, Inc very high insurance costs, why, because a minor bump, any issue with bty, the car is a write off. Then there is fire, look at Luton Airport fire, because bty and hybrid cars were in the car park, the fire brigade could not use water, so more cars were destroyed....
You have got practtically all of that dead wrong.
@@rogerphelps9939 really which part? My friend works in the fire brigade, you wouldn't believe the extra kit and training involved.....as for insurance, I have a relative that explained to me why most car insurance has gone up in last 2-3 years and will continue to rise.....welcome to EV's.....
@@alanedwards6491 My Skoda Enyaq fully comp insurance was £410. That is vey comparable for the price for a largish ICE SUV. It seems that the insurance companies know hings that you and your relative do not.
@@rogerphelps9939 try asking a larger sample size, the world of insurance does not revolve around one customer! Virtually everyone I know has had increases to their insurance
To me, an earlier date will focus county councils into having to sort a form of charging for those people without off street parking. Also hopefully sending the proper messages about EV ownership and making people understand they do not need to charge every night, batteries don't degrade and the rest.
No it wont, councils are skint and thats not going to change quickly even under labour. The only way chargers happen is via government grant funding.
@@simoncroft9792 True but also it may concentrate them to allow a company to do more to help as well, or allow owners to get a gulley or other system sorted.
Hahaha! Councils don’t care, and they couldn’t afford it either. Is there a national strategy for rolling out chargers with funding from central government? I doubt it. Leave it to the market, and all that.
Don’t force people to buy electric vehicles which are more expensive and not practical or affordable for many. And who pays for expensive offshore wind farms that are unreliable and it should not be acceptable for private companies to be profiting for what the government is there to supply.
I was under the impression that wind farms are supplying lower cost power than coal or nuclear, no one is forcing you to buy an ev, but the power to your home from this source is still cheaper. Do not forget, this energy is produced in the UK and not imported from Russia or elsewhere. Energy independence is vital in the future scheme of things.
Labour could not run a corner shop let alone plan the future transport needs of the country.
Hi Dave, great channel, for my sin’s I bought a Fisker Ocean, taking it on my first big run, I have joined Tesla membership, London to Wakefield, M1, best stops for charging please, if you do this sort of thing, thank you, regards Neil
If Europe Japan, Korea sticks to the 2035 timeline the UK will still be able to buy new ICE cars as we in the UK are dependant overseas manufactures.( thanks to the militant workforce of the 1970s and 80s it all went bankrupt and is no more) It make little difference what the new government says we in the UK have no control on the world automakers.
On the contrary, the law will apply to all cars sold in the UK. It does not matter who makes them. We cannot control what they make but we definitely can control what we allow to be sold and driven on our roads. 100%
@@davetakesiton Well if that's the case it may be very difficult for the motoring public to buy anything. As I work for one of the European car manufactures I can assure that the UK is a very important market and to think that a government will have the upper hand in telling people what they can and cannot buy I have to say I think you are deluding yourself, and please do not trot out the old "well we will all be buying EV by then" because I can tell you from an insiders point of view the EV market is already in free fall both in Europe and the USA and further a field in Australia and New Zeeland. Most of our R&D now is not going into EV but ICE to run on sustainable fuels
@@SimonGreenway-ih8lhsustainable fuels? Such as?
@@SimonGreenway-ih8lh
Have you considered a career change, perhaps you should consider one based on your predictions, there is no future in ICE ?
@@_Dougaldog Well.... We will see
Afternoon mate
It's a funny old game but expect we will come a cropper with mining precious metals for batteries and all the impacts of that of which I'm sure the full facts will come out eventually. Remember when asbestos was a great product and then later the government pushed for a move to diesels. I own a farm and all our machines are diesel. At the moment the very few battery tractors are not suitable and I don't have power in a field and generally run these vehicles for 12-14 hours in the day and no time for any charging. Many countries that don't have a good power grid will still need ice vehicles and I expect you could buy one there and import it to the UK. Like after the 2nd WW old cars went on for so many more years and I expect chaos will happen soon!!
You mean lithium? Lately more and more EV batteries are lithium iron phosphate, no nickel, etc. Some EVs in China even use sodium ion batteries. Batteries with nickel will probably become niche; not as long a battery life.
Small to medium cars are the most obvious for EV, but there are trucks and even semis, pricey now, though I have seen a Rivian towing a trailer of hay bales. There's even a Chinese midsize pickup truck. Viable tractors will come eventually.
Bet you have a very large area area of barns that you could use to provide your own solar electricity and sell plenty more to the grid. Alternatively you could set up a solar farm on a few acres and make far more money from that than you ever could from crops and livestock. Batteries would charge in the day and charge your machinery at night. Around where I live many farms have solar farms and a digester to produce mehane from manure is currently being built. You are sitting on a gold mine if you play your cards right.
Why should governments tell people what they drive? Especially when it is against the whole market logic? This is worst than the soviet style economy.
Nobody at the moment is telling you what to drive you have complete freedom for at least another 6 years. What the government is telling you is that polluting vehicles that emit toxic and carcinogenic and deadly fumes will not be available for you to choose in the future. I agree with that 100%. Do you want to be able to breath in those poisons indefinitely? Is that your argument?
You were told by government to wear a seat belt or not smoke in public places etc and we all just got on with it. Did it really matter? No?
@@davetakesiton I agree for the clean air in the cities. And that is all about it. But EURO6 is quite strict on that. Everything else is a lie. You are not saving the planet. And it is plan made with no strategy. Banning is not a strategy. Why banning ICE's for long distances? People just vote with their wallets and don't buy it.
@@Yorkshireasaurus Those are safety features where regulators have made the manufacturers and hosts to fulfil. Cars are a choice. And this is a plan without a strategy. Without public discussion. And against the market. Bans are not a strategy.
@@sizif717Arguably, having a planet to live on is a big safety issue. Not killing people though poor air quality is another.
Plus, this is a government that people elected, just like the Brexit decision. Not everyone was happy with that, "suck it up losers" I think was one of the popular phrases, along with "get over it".
"Free electricity if you live within sight of a wind turbine" the wind turbine has an initial cost, it then has maintenance costs and ultimately replacement costs and when it's not windy then it generates no electricity and no economic value.......so who do you think is going to foot the bills to give you free electricity? That is the same logic as saying the NHS is free.......the NHS is not free it is paid for from our Tax money, we pay for our health care OR (if you're healthy) we pay for other peoples healthcare. Even if you put in your own solar and wind farm that covers your consumption and you have an excess to sell to the grid, you might not be paying for electrical supply and you might be receiving income but you've had to pay for the solar and windfarm and you have to cover any maintenance costs so it is a very long game before you get "free electricity" even when you OWN your own renewable power plant.
Your logic is bollocks. The power company can use free electricity as an inducement to those living near to the wind farm not to raise objections and not having to go through lengthy delays is worth a lot of money. The amount that the power company would have to pay to finance free electricity to the neighbours whren the wind is not blowing is peanuts anyway and more likely than not the power company has other wind farms where the wind is blowing.
@@rogerphelps9939 Yes Roger....as a wind farm investor I'm going to subsidise the locals electricity because my windfarm startup cost is in the millions and the income it will earn is in the thousands of pounds per day (when it's windy) so of course they can write off the energy consumed by the locals who obviously won't start using more electricity and if you cap how much they can use for free then does that really offset the possible drop in their house price because fewer prospective buyers might want to be so close to a windfarm............but hey........you used the B word so your opinion must trump mine.
A lot of car firms are stopping making EVs. So where are these cars coming from.
From companies that are not completely insane.
Who's stopped making EVs?
@@hansj5846none! Some are scaling back production. Too many people just read the headline and not the detail. Sales are down year on year but pure ice are suffering more. Unfortunately too many people have closed minds. The best thing this government can do is mandate 2 weeks test drives in EVs for all ICE users. The resistance would soon falter 😀
Here in NZ, just the opposite, we have had an influx of Chinese made evs in recent years, as they are close, and also our major trading partner ( food and wood). Also we have no car manufacturing here anymore so no need to apply any extra import taxes.
Stop giving the politicians so much credit when it's clear they are ALL aligned and coordinated by an external global force.
Cheers Dave
Some points from someone that works in the industry and also have owned, EV, ICE and PHEV.
Labour can ban all they want, without an investment in on street chargin its not going to be feasible for average joe that cant afford a house with a drive way
Ban on 2030vs2035, i am working with the biggest UK OEM and they have cwrs currently in the pipeline for 2029 production. Luckily for them its a hybrid. But it just shows the timelines where governments chop and change and how it affects them.
EVs need to be more accessible to poorer community. A good EV with decent range is not viable for less then 40k oretty much. And those people that cant afford this most likely dont have home charging either, workplace charging is also not very common and there is no incentive from the gov to install them.
The UK is still not ready for EVs, the government can han what they like, they need to dip their hands in their pocket or create some better incentives for landlords and businesses to install more 7kw chargers in carparks etc.
I forgot to add. Most of the new car market is dictated by company car drivers. Therefore phev and ev are most common due to the heavy tax penalties of diesel/hybrid. For ref. EV is about £10-£50/month. Phev about 100-200 and diesel/petrol anything from 300-500+/month. Also, if you have a fuel card with your phev, you don't need to charge the battery and end up getting 30-40mpg Vs a non phev would get 50+ maybe. No fuel card you go EV as it's the best option costwise
You paint such a rosey picture without any of the realistic drawbacks. Wind farms have massive drawbacks. End of life, peak demand, high Maintainance, it could never replace fossil or nuclear. Wind and solar on a good day may give 7%….. you are living in a dream world just like Labour. They will ruin gdp. Energy + = gdp growth. If you reduce energy inflation rockets up.
Love your made up figures. Several days recently wind and solar made up 100% of our daily power. Plus how does dismantling a nuclear power station compare to removing a wind turbine?
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evs could go the way of 3d tv, there was talk of 3drv being the new fangled device thar was going to revolutionise tv, so i went out and bought one that thing hangs on my wall and has not been switched on in 4 years,
B s
What has Tesla done?
Buy an EV. Simple.
I was in Singapore just last week and not a Tesla in sight! plenty of BYDs though, back here in NZ, Tesla still rules the waves at the moment. ( I have an MG ).
No way of me charging at home so ill be sticking to good old fossil fuels
Check your actual figures, you will find that you are wrong.
@@davetakesiton what do you mean?
@@davetakesiton sorry but I think you replied to the wrong comment
Fossil fuels are good are they? Your grandchildren will curse you for that attitude.
@rogerphelps9939 my grandparents lived into their 90s, their parents lived in their mid 80s. Are you suggesting that if I don't drive an ev that my grand child will somehow die younger than my grandparents/great parents despite cars being more eco friendly now?
@9:45 A delusional fanboy's take.
*Tesla 2024:*
Sales: Down
Production: Down
Profit Margin: Down
Yes, Steven total fantasy that their sales are down from a record high and production is down from record highs and profit is down leaving Tesla the only EV manufacturer in the world making a profit. Ask Ford about their $5 billion loss.
@@davetakesiton What does that say about BEVs being the future ?
UK Democracy, Choice of new car sales after 2030/35. Why should the UK general public lay down and just accept that we all MUST buy Electric Cars after 2030/35 this is just not on and there will be a massive back lash from the UK General public. We as a Nation will not be dictated to by the UK Government or indeed any European Ruling. The UK only produce a total of 0.9% Co2 per year, this is minuscule compared to China, America and others. People say well the exhaust emissions from petrol or diesel cars are killing us as we breath it in but consider the electric car for a moment, it takes over 16,000 miles from a new to reach net zero apparently and when you consider the fleet market change cars for new ones every year or two years that means a lot of these electric cars do not reach net zero and the second hand electric car market is sluggish at the moment as private buyers are not convinced about how well the electric car traction battery has ben treated by company car drives who need to travel from A to B as fast as possible so DC charging is the fastest way of charging and the most damaging to the electric car traction battery. Then there is the danger of E.M.F. Developed in the electric car whist driving which if above 3.5 can becomes an issue and people are seeing this as another hazard in driving an all electric car let alone the charging infrastructure. UK Government must be sensitive to the UK public when banning anything from the UK General public.
Don’t you think this decision should be made by the UK General public and we all have a vote on this 2030/35 ban on new petrol or diesel cars issue? I feel that we all should continue to have the option of buying new petrol,diesel,Hybrids and full electric cars after 2030/35 as we all live in a democratic society in the UK full stop.
OK so you want the UK population to vote for allowing all 35 million ICE cars to continue spewing out poisonous, toxic, carcinogenic fumes and particles from exhaust pipes for ever, just to appease the multi billion £ oil giants? The reason for the ban is not to force you into EVs, it is to finally stop everyone from pouring out lethal fumes that are causing 50,000 premature deaths a year and causing numerous chronic illnesses and conditions. Anyone who fights against that might care to explain why they want that. I am waiting.
Driving a car is not a human right, it's a privilege, and with that comes responsibilities. Not drinking, not taking drugs which impair your driving, not driving with certain medical conditions, not driving dangerously. All of which are designed to protect others. The same with the end of ice cars.
The government was voted in with this as a policy. Just like that vote on leaving the EU.
Phrases like "get over it" may be used by some.
@@davetakesiton Many thank Dave for your reply. I can see your point of view but can’t you see you are also being manipulated into the corner of all electric cars only by the Government and with some EU pressure as well. If you look further afield in the World you will see that electric cars are not being taken up as predicted so it’s not just a UK scenario. We know from the scientists who are telling us that the traction battery can be broken down but the chemicals used will take a long,long time to degrade. Just by the by Dave do you know what is happening with regards to the state of play regarding new nuclear power stations as I think this will be the way to support the National Grid. Love your channel Dave you make some very good videos and content, must take you sometime to make.
@@rugbygirlsdadg Thank you for your comments. I think in 2024 it’s standard for the general public to be able to use a vehicle to travel around.
Being told that by 2030/34 every person in the UK must if they choose to buy a new car it MUST be full electric is not a democratic action, in fact it’s a dictator attitude which flys in face of our UK democracy don’t you think?
nobody wants to see a fucking great windmill outside their home Dave.
They are common around Danish towns and villages. Because they benefit from the savings locally. These are not huge turbines nor are they noisy.
Electricity generation should be small modular nuclear distributed everywhere. These are the size of a small substation. If they eventually adopt Thorium reactors they are safer than ever too. Roll Royce are developing SMR's but based on Uranium at the moment, but the target for delivery is around 2030. China is big on Thorium though so fingers crossed they get them out globally so we can all have cheaper energy.
@@michaeldawson6309Unlikely to happen. SMRs are just too expensive compared to wind and solar.
@@philcotswold5940 Dave is right when he states that peoples attitudes to things change depending on the perceived benefits for them personally. If you have ugly turbines you get a decent discount and because the electricity is from your area. We need a mix of renewable and nuclear.
I can see many from my house and I don't care. Better than living next to a nuclear reactor.