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The Rothfuss Situation
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- Опубликовано: 12 дек 2023
- Patrick Rothfuss has been at the same time one of the most celebrated and most vilified, controversial fantasy A-listers for quite a while. Considering Name of the Wind is my favourite book of all time, I thought it was important I explored some of my thoughts, especially in light of what has recently happened regarding the apology for the undelivered chapter. I have joked about his inactivity for quite some time, made sketches about him even, but the situation and the public reaction has quite frankly got out of hand.
#booktube #patrickrothfuss #kingkiller
It has been really interesting to see all the comments, ranging from solid, reasonable arguments to pseudo-conspiratorial manic rants fuelled by disillusion and good 'ol hatred. Interesting.
Maybe people find it odd you would defend this douchebag. You really eating up all his excuses? I have a bridge to sell you
I honestly cannot believe that he wrote book one. Call me a conspiracy theorist but I am only speculating right now, I will try and find empirical evidence to support my claim.
This is my favorite book series and I have cleared out libraries in the fantasy genre. I have seen all of PR’s interviews, read all of his blogs. I have no doubt that he wrote the novelas and TWMF, but I cannot believe that he wrote book 1. I truly believe that there is something here worth digging for, and I will continue to do so possibly at my peril. I don’t think this is a rumor you should throw aside if you respect the story. If not, it’s okay and I respect you anyway.
You have a new sub btw, I like your format and chill videos.
@@ghagzorI am certainly done with hearing people defend him. He is not one worth the effort as he obviously does not care about the reputation of himself or the books.
He is in it for the money.
He was paid by his publisher for book 3 and a follow up trilogy, which he hasnt delivered on. He told his fans he would release a chapter if donation goals were met, he didnt deliver. He blamed book 3's delay on Trumps election, yet Trump has been out of office for 3 years and still no book 3. He hasnt delivered on anything significant since book 2 and all he does is make excuses. At this point I have zero trust in him and I cant see why anyone would still support him. I hope I am wrong but I think kingkiller will be finished the same way wheel of time was.
he was paid to do more 3 books after the doors of stone? did i read it right?
How much of a soy do you have to be to let an election cause a full stop to your life
You think the Kingkiller Chronicle is only going to be finished when he hands over some notes to another author for them to finish the story?
Yes I do unfortunately I dont think he is capable of finishing the story at this point. @@Talezassian
Trump is a ginger, just saying
“... Apology now is of little consequence," she said, her voice flat and chill as slate. "Anything you say at this point cannot be trusted. You know I am well and truly angry, so you are in the grip of fear. This means I cannot trust any word you say, as it comes from fear. You are clever, and charming, and a liar. I know you can bend the world with your words. So I will not listen."
"Vashet to Kvothe”
rothfuss is not kvothe.
@@neuromantic4313 yet he wrote those words.
@@alexandrehaikal9814 i don't recall who vashet is, so i don't know if he's trustworthy, but my point stands. rothfuss is not a legendary magic wielder etc.etc. and even HE (kvothe) fails.
@@neuromantic4313 vashet is a adem mercenery that teaches kvothe in a wise mans fear. The point is the author wrote this words in a repremation of a bad action of one of his characters. So we are just using hes own words against him. He could, just as his own character in the book use his art to make things right (kvothe used his music to make vashet understand him), by simply releasing his chapter that he promised. If the chapter is not done work on it, if it is release it. That is the price of a promise
@@alexandrehaikal9814 thanks for the reminder. i get what you're saying, but neither are the words or deeds of the man, himself, but his characters. should we assume that he agrees with the words of all his characters, however evil? certainly not. thus, it's not using his words against him any more than using the words of saruman against tolkien would represent how tolkien felt or believed, himself. they're characters.
I know he never intended to scam people but his mental health issues ended up getting in the way of a reasonable relationship. In any other business environment, this would be unacceptable. You can feel for the guy and at the same time expect what he has sold you. This seems like pr for a famous, successful author. Like “sorry this dude who’s rich and famous because people believed in him didn’t deliver, but remember, be kind. And being kind means that this successful artist has no accountability.”
I will agree that the man makes you feel contradictory things, that's for certain...
Do you know that though? There is definitely something way sketchier, perhaps even darker at play here. It could very well be a combination of things too,
Ihad a theory is he had a ghost writer, the series took off way more than he thought, and they either wanted more money or (more likely) recognition. Perhaps his ghost writers career took off and they are under contract to not do any other writing, Likely though, they just own the rights to it just want their name on the front,.
This guy pat is so full of himself, I really don't see him sharing any credit
He knowingly and intentionally did this and everything that happened leading up to that point shows that. If you can't see this you are literally a part of the problem with the fanbase making excuses for everything he has done and not done up to this point. Pathetically bad take.
@@sumbody694 He knowingly and intentionally hosted a CHARITY. No one was buying the chapter, the chapter was a supposed to be a nice bonus for those who donated to a good cause. That money went to where it was always supposed to go, it's not like he spent it on something else. At worst, some people helped to feed starving families when they otherwise wouldn't have. Oh darn. Not saying it's good that he didn't do what he promised, he clearly messed up and probably hurt the future of the charity in the process, but it's not like he's some evil mastermind here. There is no reason to think that he didn't intend to do what he said just because he failed to deliver, and I do not understand why people are coming up with these ridiculous conspiracy theories.
"The Slow Regard of Silent Things" is a monumental work, and if there's a ghostwriter, they're an absolute genius. Which makes me think that there isn't one, because I can't imagine anyone with the level of talent required to write that being content to be a ghostwriter when they could be publishing under their own name. Competent and quality writing, sure, I can expect that from a ghostwriter -- but not brilliant work.@@mr.bobdabbalina1246
My suspicion is that Rothfuss let all the praise go to his head. That praise became a toxic brew when it contacted his mental illness. I think that he wants Doors of Stone to be a rollicking fun time, epic conclusion, WHILE at the same time be a deconstruction of the entire fantasy genre. That is insanely hard to even think about, let alone accomplish. So his goal is way too grandiose and his well crafted prose can’t make up for it.
I think its obvious, he created a story that has way too many unresolved plotlines and he has no idea how to tie it all together.
I really do not believe he created it. He definitely wrote a lot of some parts but I don’t believe the concept came from him.
@@braadynbuford817 then who do you think created it? Not disagreeing just curious as to what you mean specifically
@@zacharynelson6479 honestly I don’t know I can’t prove anything yet, purely my speculation at this point. I’ve read the books many times and the content we have been given has steadily declined in quality to the point that it doesn’t even sound like the same author anymore, I think it makes more sense that rothfuss knew the original author, used their concept work either with or without their permission, and have since either died or cut contact with rothfuss. This doesn’t seem that far fetched imo it happens all the time in the art world. I have also came to this conclusion by judging PR character which is not too good. He is a narcissistic asshole and I wouldn’t put it beneath him to do this, he obviously only wants to drain every last dollar out of this creation.
Perhaps to my mind the most disturbing aspect of this situation is the way 'mental health' is being cited as a way to deflect criticism and gain automatic defenders. Depression and anxiety are serious things which deserve our sympathy and compassion -- which is precisely why we shouldn't accept them as strategic moves to avoid criticism. If Rothfuss truly can't, or won't, complete the obligations he's accepted, he should acknowledge this, return any monetary advances, return the money given to charity, and take his lumps.
Maybe he could learn from Hideaki Anno, publish what he's got, then publish a rebuild in another decade.
I suspect he IS doing that, because he's publishing what I think he has: nothing.
Rothfuss and Martin are obviously going through personal life stuff that keeps them from writing. Maybe it wasn’t that at first, but it clearly has been for years now. Rothfuss is open about that fact, and whatever Martin was going through before Dance was not helped by fame and money.
Rothfuss is young and it's only one book left to finish the story. Martin has a major problem right there...
Don't get me started on Martin... Hell, maybe I should do a "The Martin Situation" video
I think you are right that there is no point in having expectations, and if a final book comes out it will be nice, but we all just have to live our lives. All that's true, but Rothfuss makes things a bit tricky by occasionally promising stuff which he doesn't deliver. New chapter for a million bucks? Sold! But then it doesn't come. I feel that just as much as we have to learn from our mistakes and not expect him to come up with the new book until he's good and ready, he too has to take at least a modicum of responsibility for new promises he makes.
Has he made any new promises since then?
I think a lot of people already stopped expecting.
Problem is that I understand that he is a person that has stuff happening and not everything can go as planned.
I wouldn't but his books and get invested if I knew that he will never deliver on promise.
When I started reading his books there was some dates mentioned and I thought ok, ill wait for a bit and finish story.
Now that never happened. I just feel betrayed and not sure I like it.
I can't but feel the same way, I went through a very similar phase of distilled frustration when Lin-Manuel Miranda dropped the project (very likely because Pat was not forthcoming with updates). Such a missed opportunity, the perfect man to adapt such lyrical work...
@@PabloSuarez97I didn't know that Miranda was trying to adapt the books-but I've never been happier to see an artistic project fall apart.
We can talk, talk, talk. But we have no right to judge.
Ive been meaning to write and record some more music. But my last studio production was over 10 years ago. I had 3 kids, bought and rennovated a home, had family holidays.... recording music just disappeared out of my life.
Pat, your books are great.
I hope to read the final part of the story. But if its not ever written, I'm okay with that.
I agree with your summary, Pablo.
If you loose your job for not working you are a loser. Pat was paid to write, he is a write, unlike you it was his full time job! Don't be such a simp just because you gave up on your dream . Don't defend this con man lier
That's a very good point, life has a tendency of getting in the way, and sometimes you just gotta live it. It happens.
Brother relax, no need to be disrespectful
Pat never apologized. He said he feels bad. "Feeling bad" is what narcissists say to not apologize.
Bro literally called donors kids waiting for his cookies and dicks for him not being responsible.
Sure it wasn't the best of apologies, sure he still hasn't delivered, but it's not like this was some elaborate scam to self-profit. At the end of the day, the money still was donated for a charitable cause, wasn't it?
@@PabloSuarez97 I find that justification strange. People paid for something. We have tons of public charity issues. Between fraud, misappropriated funds, and extreme ceo budgets, and auctions are some of the highest-earning events for most charities.
Pat is doing real harm by causing increased shade on charities. People are willing to pay WAY over the value of something for a good cause, but there is a reason the thing is offered. They get a lot more donations when something is offered rather than purely out of the goodwill of others hearts.
Maybe that is cynical, but it is just a fact. This makes it pretty unjustifiable IMO to defend Rothfuss for not having taken 5minutes to make a real apology on his blog rather than hiding the only mention at the end of a 2 hour long stream.
5 minutes in the last 2 years would have prevented real damage to charity and have been someone trying to take responsibility for their actions.
All I see is a millionaire that still thinks his feelings and 5 minutes are more important than the thousands of donors who keep asking him to publish what he claims is already written.
@@Fatikis42 I certainly see your point, though it wasn't a direct transaction. People didn't pay for a chapter, or a book. People donated as incentive to get something that still hasn't been delivered. I agree, the apology is deficient to say the least, and it shows a high level of avoidance, but I am an empathetic person and I understand why he has been avoiding the topic. I do not think it is fair to extrapolate to the larger fraudulent charities convo because there has been no indication that neither Heifer international nor Worldbuilders has been engaged in shady business. I do believe the root of the discontent is the bottled-up frustration for inactivity, lack of transparency regarding progress and failure to produce a genuine apology. As I said, I totally get your position but I don't think he is the horrible anarchocapitalist, money-hoarding bastard you are depicting!
I also want to say I defended Pat for Doors of Stone delay even with my disappointment. Life does really get in the way. Including mental health which I can for sure appreciate. Even cut him over a year of slack on the charity thing.
It only really got to me when he started advertising weekly without making an obvious statement on his blog.
Donors deserve that much.
@@PabloSuarez97 I think you are confused about how incentives work.
Even donation, you PAY for the incentive. When you buy something on your taxes you have to deduct the value of the object from the amount donated. Because you still BOUGHT the thing. As a donation it was just exempt from the taxes, but you can't claim the painting you bought was valueless also.
Personally, his opinions and reasons don't matter. People all have their reasons. Sometimes people do bad things. Not being a cackling villain doesn't change that nor did I ever imply that strawman.
If you have to use mental gymnastics to justify unjustifiable behavior that is a problem.
He needs to give his manuscript to Sanderson, let him finish the book, then do his "revisions". If there is anything to revise
No, please, not Sanderson. Terrible writer of over bloated books. I'm okay with the third book never happening. The second book is a lot worse than The Name of the Wind. I think Rothfuss just wrote a One hit wonder and cannot replicate it for a third book.
The charity did raise $1.25 million in total for that whole year, but I'm pretty sure the amount raised for the chapter release was $666k.
Somehow that specific number is fitting…
His charity sounds like a total scam.
@@wafflestomper6958it is
I say Boycott him! I am not giving him another penny. That will make a statement. It feels like he does not care about his fans. If you have not read Brandon Sanderson, give him a try. He never disappoints.
I really enjoy this, thanks for the video. You’ve added a great perspective that the more pressure someone feels to make something perfect for everyone, the harder it can be to release it. I have no idea if that’s what he’s experiencing but I’ve felt that before. There was soooooo much hype for his first book, and the second book was pretty well received, and what if the third is a let down? Again, not saying this is what’s happened, but I could see it. If it is a part of this then I wish him luck in finding how he can solve it.
Thank you, that was a very thoughtful comment :)
I know the charity situation is bad but the hate was there long before that. I can't imagine going after someone over a story book.
Thank you, Pablo, for this video. I have adhd and I can clearly spot Pat’s problem. He is paralyzed by perfectionism, perhaps not by his own standard, but certainly by not wanting to let people down after waiting for so long. The donation money is the reverse Midas touch with someone who doesn’t want to disappoint, he ended up thinking he has to give more, and that ‘’more’’ turns to ‘’not yet’’, and perhaps ‘’never’’. Thank you for this profoundly kind and thoughtful examination that you uploaded ❤
Okay I'd never heard about this (somehow) so my opinions are all from just this video. Book 3 being delayed is honestly between Rothfus and his publisher. I get the frustration by fans but it is what it is. The short story though? People have directly given him a large amount of money and aren't seeing anything from it. He either needs to cough up that story or be much more transparent about the process he's going through with it.
well, the missing third book is one story - people are upset , because Patrick Rothfuss betrayed his community!. He promies to publish a ""chapter" of the third book, if people spend 1 million $ - people spend 1.2 mio dollars and P.R never published that chapter nor communicated or apologizes for not delivering since a long time - but obviously he had time to publish another book and stream on twitch all time ... - he is just a scammer
Despite the Fae sex scene, I thought the Fae Realm was actually a pretty cool part in the story. It was magical and unique, not many stories do that type of Fae legends in fantasy novels. I’ve seen people bash that part in the book. I will admit it was odd as hell. But Felurian literally is love and sex and lures men. That’s her whole persona. So it sort of made sense. I thought the way the Fae place was described was beautiful. I think what he was trying to do was show the main characters first real sexual experience like any human being, but it came off strange. But I agree the way it was written was bizarre. My problem with the Fae stuff, the building up and tales about the Fae in the world is well done, but the Fae realm was way too short. It needed to be longer. It’s like what? Maybe 9 chapters? And the chapters were extremely short like max 11 pages. He did say there is going to be more Fae in book 3 which is pretty cool but I hope it’s not all in the Fae. The character needs to travel a lot.
Also about the chapter charity stream. I truly don’t think he actually wanted to scam people. But it came off that way. I do feel bad for him and pity, but his behavior towards fans about the book is ridiculous and immature. I’m not saying he doesn’t feel pressure. I’m sure he feels a ton of that and I’m sure it’s hard to try and write a book that a lot of people are waiting for, let alone making it amazing and good. It’s certain that it is weighing on him. But at this point I feel like we are down the rabbit hole. It’s just excuse and avoid, and that’s it. It’s sucks but atleast we’ve got 2 great books and a few novellas. I am honestly surprised people haven’t sued him yet for not delivering after 1.25 million dollars were raised. I do have a small glimmer of hope that book 3 will someday arrive but I’ve just stopped excepting.
As somebody who got just recently into his books: i belive his third book suffers from the same problem as Eragon or many other debut sagas did.
The books opened up a huge world, but everything is beein crammed into one story, and at some point there is no reasonable good way to solve this. Starting from the middle of the second book it already felt really rushed
I agree with you there, no shame in releasing more books if it is kinder to the narration, to the pacing of the story in general. Part of the problem is that he has cornered himself in an inescapable blockage.
Thank you for this explanation! I totally understand that everyone has their own way of processing their ideas.
:)
I'm always conflicted when it comes to this topic. I personally believe that when you pitch a book as part of a broader series that there is a moral obligation to your readers to attempt to finish the series in a timely manner, as long as there are enough readers to financially justify the endeavor and that the number of high profile authors that have not met this obligation makes it harder for new/less popular authors to get audience buy in for a series that is not completed and this has a huge negative impact on people hoping for those initial purchases to help them become full time authors. I understand that real life conflicts/mental health concerns/etc provide a reasonable basis for delay but Rothfuss in particular pitched this as a completed trilogy when NoTW was first published in order to overcome concerns of completion and then went on to negate deadline after deadline.
I get why someone with mental health struggles might find it difficult/impossible to contact and be honest with their publisher/fanbase/media, he also has continued to dig deeper and make promises he knows he can't fulfill, and that pre-deadline, fame Rothfuss set these expectations and yet he continues to back them up with words but not deeds.
I'll never understand why people keep supporting former authors like Rothfuss and Martin.
Martin at least has the excuse of being old and in ill health; I doubt there's anything he could get from another book that would be worth the time and effort he'd have to devote to it. Let the man enjoy his retirement; we can enjoy his whole career's worth of writing. And frankly, as much as people hate the final season of the TV show, that's probably what he was planning -- it's not as though the series can be wrapped up in many different ways.
@@Matt42MSG& being as terrible as King.
Martin is not a former author. He is very active and productive, just not in ASOIAF.
@@RaidenFreeman 😂
@@Matt42MSG " I doubt there's anything he could get from another book that would be worth the time and effort he'd have to devote to it" um, everything? his legacy? his reputation? his integrity?
Well said. Really balanced, insightful look at the situation.
I have an idea we could finance a yoga retreat for him and bring him together with Rick Rubens.
What happened with the 'situation?'
Dude, it's just a chapter... just fulfill your good faith promise to your fans. Don't be to much of a perfectionist. Everyone knows things will change in final publication.
Idon't necessarily care about his publisher, it's part of their business model to deal with authors that go through slumps or never deliver. He may owe them something morally and contractually, but keep your word to the fans!
Something that many people don't understand is that with each character you add to a story (each with their own story/subplot), the amount of writing you must do to resolve each plotline is not linier, it is exponential. Here is some good advice for your first novel: ruclips.net/video/c3VRwuh5SRk/видео.html Patrick got in over his head without knowing it and now he is struggling to 1) resolve everything in his trilogy (much of which has changed from his first draft) and 2) he set such high expectations that finishing the trilogy is clearly causing him debilitating anxiety. The same anxiety is happening with George R R Martin, though he seems better able to cope with it. Note that both of them have published other books and worked on other projects while fans await their final book or books in the series. It is far easier to start something than to finish it; especially when finishing it has become incredibly complex in the meantime (due to setting a trap for yourself, the escape from which is mind-numbingly difficult). I say enjoy what we have and imagine the endings yourself; like The Mystery of Edwin Drood by Charles Dickens (his death caused that novel never to be finished; and has led to speculation about the ending since 1870!).
Very good points being made here
If I had a series from 1993 that was still on book three I think I'd have an existential crisis.
How anyone can care about these books after the weird sex scene in book 2 is beyond me lol
that shit was kinda weird, and also main character sex life scales hyper fast after that.
The weird sex in the second book in general ruined it for me
Because he wrote a ton more of the second book himself, thus the poor reviews and lesser quality.
I gave up waiting on this book for a couple of years now. To his fear of not living up to expectations, I hope he realizes it will not and get past that fear. Not that it won't be good, I'm sure if it comes out it will be amazing, but no book is worth waiting thirteen plus years. These are among my favorite books, so i don't want to come off as a hater. I just want to be realistic.
With stuff like this, I don't think I'd be as condemning of his actions if such a massive amount of money was involved in the debacle. And this wasn't money from people with disposable income. This was most likely money from people who work to put food on the table and want to just sit down with a good book.
I understand the issues of mental illness, the weight of fame, the expectations of quality etc. But still, all of that is not his fault, but it still his responsibility. And I'm not even a reader of his work, but the sheer number of times he comes up in literary discussion makes me want to bang my head against the wall. If anyone else did this, they'd be crucified. But Rothfuss? He gets a pass for a lot of people. I think defenders of his need to look down inside themselves and ask why that is.
I agree, I think the money situation complicates matters a whole lot. But what people fail to realise is that the money is not going directly into his pocket. It's literally for charity
@@PabloSuarez97Good point, but I will add to that by saying that people were still expecting something else out of that social contract. Sure, people can be happy their money's going to charity, but that knowledge will be soured by the knowledge that they were promised something in addition - something that's been in the pipeline for over a decade at this point, something that Rothfuss made constant promises over - and that additional thing was never given.
Because at that point, why wouldn't they just instead donate straight to the charity if they can't rely on Rothfuss to fulfill his part of the bargain?
I really appreciate this take. Rothfuss obviously should not have done the charity thing but we've seen similar levels of vitriol directed at GRRM and Scott Lynch for their stalled series. Rothfuss gave his fanbase a more tangible thing to ascribe their anger to. But why are we angry in the first place? An author doesn't collect payment ahead of time from readers for services to be rendered. Let the publishers and agents worry about that shit. Making readers wait is at their peril. If you don't want to read it when and if it finally comes out, then don't. But everyone probably will end up reading it lol. For my money, it's pretty obvious when an author loses their steam or just "checks out" of a series but the books get published anyway, and that's just as bad (if not worse) as waiting. To your point, nobody reads Sanderson for the prose, but that's not really the point of his work. Other authors really center the mechanical details of their writing and worldbuilding, which is why it takes 3,000 years for them to write a book. I'm personally fine with allowing them that grace. Tolkien wrote in Middle-Earth for 60 years and his entire published works probably amount to fewer words than some fantasy authors have put into a single series in the years since LOTR and the epoch it started.
I can never recommend his series. If I get asked about the series, I turn people away. Because I can not support Patrick. People read books that are WRITTEN. Patrick may have all these ideas in his head but no one will ever experience them if the man doesnt write. Winds of Winter will never see the light of day but George atleast writes OTHER things. He's not just sitting in his chair live streaming and stroking his beard. People love to hate on Brandon but I'm glad his star is rising. I do feel like his earlier works were over shadowed by by Patrick and George but Brandon is an author I can support because he WRITES. I may not like all of his books but out of all his titles I can find something to enjoy.
Yo no voy a comprar ningún libro de el hasta que no termine lo que ha empezado, hasta tengo dudas si los 2 los ha escrito el,es un cara dura,osea que tiene problema mental para sacar el 3 y no lo tiene para sacarblos otros que ha sacado,prefiero Brando sanderson que se preocupa por sus lectores
Lo entiendo perfectamente. Lo cierto es que la desilusión que ha generado va afectar sus ventas. Parte de mi teoría es que no supo procesar la fama monumental después de la publicación de el nombre del viento. Igual ha preferido hacer todo esto para perder base y sentirse más cómodo. A saber...
I think he should just publish the very flawed novel. Or just hire some writers to help out to get something produced.
For perspective: BG3 took 5+ years to develop properly. And look at the results! Say what you will about WotC, but give Larian props for amazing work!
While I disagree with Rothfuss and some of his views, I agree that he is a talented writer and thyat he deserves the space and time to work on his timeline and no one else's.
I feel really bad about the chapter, but that doesn’t I’m gonna do anything about it! XD
Maybe he didn’t write it and the real author has passed away so that’s why no new book has emerged
I really want more information on this. I truly believe that Rothfuss is actually not a good writer and is just riding the wave of somebody else’s concept work. The difference in quality from book 1 to book 2 is staggering, and even more for the novelas. I will not rest until I find the true author.
New fan theory?
@@PabloSuarez97 I have seen this theory on lots of threads in different sites. I can’t claim any validity, but I know for a fact that something stinks here, whenever Rothfus talks about the books especially about how he made characters like Denna or Auri, he answers like a f***ing politician. I also just can’t get out of my head that when the series was released, it was marketed as already completed. Set to release on a once a year schedule.
I would not put theft above this man, he has done worse than that already. There are lots of posts about people who met him at conventions and he acted like he was better than everyone there and like he didn’t want to be there, but when a women walked up his whole demeanor changed. Then there is the money thing with book 3. He is very narcissistic and cannot be questioned or even apologize correctly.
This does not sound like a person who loves literature or even loves writing. He spends most of his time playing video games and at DnD games where the people don’t like him. Obviously that doesn’t amount to much, but the whole thing paints a picture about him and it does not look good.
@@PabloSuarez97 nobody else has made a video of that, and the fans have for the most part lost faith in him. You might get a pretty large viewing audience if you pushed the envelope a bit and speculated on the validity of his writing ability. I would be more than willing to help research as I’m going to be doing it anyway.
thank you 🙏
:))
calm and civilized yeet yeet
I have not read a single word he has written since book 2. Not interested in any prequels or expanded stories or re-tellings, nor any story of any kind until book 3 is published. If he can't do it, he and the publisher should choose a ghost writer or straight up substitute writer who can.
I didn't know that he never finished that trilogy. I'm not a fan of his, but I know the name. I would not harass a writer like that. Seems rather rude
That is the measured response that perhaps we are lacking in this situation
I can't see how they're getting a third trilogy out of him. If they've paid him already the most realistic thing would be when he does finish the third book to sell the right for the games and pay them off.
I see no problem unless I have already read all other books ;)
Pat needs help man
Well, noone is hindered to write their own version of the third book.
I did. As I always do, if I need wait too long (or am unhappy with the ending of a book. I just rewrite it.) My version of Doors of Stone took me quite a long time, and blocked me from writing my own stories for a long time, but I thought it was worthwhile since I wanted to read it, and after I finished it, I thought I had found the right tone and a perfect and logical ending. Then I let it sit in a file for some time and revisisted it after reading book one and two in a row. I realized my language was wanting, my ending was horribly cheap and I deleted the lot.
I wouldn't be surprised if he did the same. There was a picture of him with a screen that had a document with 1700pages worth of Doors of Stone back in 2013. He or his beta-readers were unhappy with it and thought it wasn't good enough. And he was in a depressed radical mood and pressed the delete button. - And he hasn't found the mood to rewrite it. - Good things take time, and people that play computer games and visit social media don't have enough time for writing. I learned from my own writing-habits: the morning you switch on your router to visit the internet is a lost day for your creativity.
(And by the way... don't ask me about my versions of Winds of Winter&Dreams of Spring... tried everything, went everywhere, killed everyone, crowned everyone, produced some 2000plus pages of fragments of different versions, but they remain unlinked and unfinished, I put it aside and left it there, because I know GRRM will definitively catch up with me.)
Hey can I hear your version of the story?
@@awz079 I warned the ending was cheap:
Kvothe wastes time telling details about the royal succession, and then talks about Ambrose's father trying to be king, and about the court intrigues, how a princess disappeared at the university, Bast works out it's Auri.
Kvothe decides he has to mention how he fell from Auri's grace forever, by taking Debbie along through the Underthing, for breaking through the Doors of Stone and getting her into worst of troubles, but gets interrupted, just as he is about to tell what we all want to hear.
Some magical entity, I didn't specify if it were some Fay-monster, that Bast thinks he recognized that is at the gate, or the Chandrian attack the inn, though the blue fire sort of gives it away, the Chandrian are looking for Kvothe to fill their number.
The last thing the Chronicler saw, was Kvothe jumping up the bar, like a flaming demon, grabbing Folly to tackle some walking Shadow that tries to get him and then the lights go out and the Chronicler is knocked out by some magical explosion, he thinks he heard the name of the wind.
The next chapter resumes with a hilarious and happy Bast pulling the Chronicler from the smoking debries of the inn. All he says is, that it worked, and his Reshi is back, and then he disappeares right through the scorched waystone that is the only thing left standing behind the ruin. Leaving the Chronicler with the stunned and surviving villagers behind.
The next day an army approaches the village, and Scarpie is there and takes the Chronicler to see and report to the Penitent King, Auri's Uncle, that judged by his apporach to the village's children turns out to be the Tarbean children-nursing monk.
The Chronicler tells Scarpy that he found him, but he was gone again, and Scarpy makes some quip, he never saw a man running that dramatically from his planned wedding (with Auri), like that Lackless-boy.
The Chronicler says there was way more to this story, and goes back to the waystone with Scarpy, trying to find any traces of what happened, and above all: if his notes survived.
There are - the nice - university professors, researching the ruins, and they found Kvothe's thrice locked chest. It's broken and empty, but for a broken lute; other things they are looking for, are gone.
Elodin who is not inclined to dirty his hands, and leaves the sifting through the ashes to his colleagues, is sitting on the Waystone and reading the Chronicler's notes, from his scorched bag, handing them back to him, the Chronicler saying Kvothe had no chance to finish his story, and they don't know what really happened.
Elodin heavily hints they are the Amyr and know perfectly well what happened, but tells the Chronicler his book needs a proper ending. Something about the silence over the ruins that lingered, after the man who refused to die, had left.
You see: rather cheap. Answering close to nothing.
(Edit: During the discussion of the royal succession an the court intrigues it is mentioned as a known fact, that Kvothe killed Ambrose, and though he could prevent from being executed by the iron law, revealing the plots of Ambrose and his family, that all knew he was the Lackless-heir, before he knew himself, his good left hand had been chopped off for murdering Ambrose, the healers of the university managed to sew his hand back on, he can move it, but feels nothing any more, and doesn't like to play with a deaf hand, Dennas curse had worked, and that he trying to get to know what Denna was doing, in between the times he met her, had gathered a worse curse upon him, that was Silence.
Worse for his human life was, that his friends, especially Sim turned his back on him, for him first falling for Ambrose's fake leads making him suspecting them for fooling him and being the real agents behind the royal murders, like those of Alveron and his aunt, he sort of found Sim there, redhanded, but there is also Denna, that had run from her wedding with Ambrose, and accuses him of causing the murders by hindering her of preventing them. But he is no longer sure if Denna wasn't in that intrigue, the Chandrian wanted something of her, that was opening the Doors of Stone, to cause an even worse disaster.)
Patrick Rothfuss
George Martin
Add Locke Lamora guy on this list!!!
Damn you are 2 years younger than me
Well said I think
I think one of the most important things in these conversations is what do artists (books, movies, music etc) owe fans? The answer is nothing.
That album you want? The book you're looking for? You aren't owed that by anyone. Those finished projects also aren't required to meet whatever expectation you have if the creator goes in a direction you wanted vs what they wanted.
Attacking people is insane behavior though an argument can be made about a promise of a released chapter with donations is worth the ire of people who gave expecting that.
Sorry Pablo, a man who makes promises he doesn't keep, defaults on contracts and then has the gall to con his own fans out of 700k?
He is everything he purports to hate.
Say it louder for those in the back!!!
I’m tired of people defending this POS
Rothfuss deserves the backlash.
You don't have to log in to social media. Rothfuss needs to stop podcasting and go to the Caribbean or an island in the Mediterranean to finish. And he also needs to turn off the news. His mind is way too influenced by state propaganda. The resulting case of acute TDS is keeping him from concentrating on anything else.
I'm only a five minutes in but like the way you articulate your ideas here.
As someone with ADHD who backed the charity because of Rothfuss's promises, the moment I heard him say he was going to "get celebrities to read the chapter", my heart sank. Knew it wouldn't get released. Shame too because no matter the quality, I would have been satisfied if he'd just published the words online. Could have even changed it later. Didn't need fanfare.
(Anyways, I still asked for his new novella for Christmas. Part of the problem but I can't help it. Sorry. Need some Bast.)
I’ve never understood fandoms’ obsession with the next installment. Give the creatives time to do their thing. We live in a golden age of media, there’s plenty to enjoy while you wait.
A lot of people feel cheated because we were misled before buying the first book of the trilogy. I believe the author lied that the entire story is already done, and that the books will be released every year.
Most people will also understand a few years of delays if the author communicates it to the fans. But, Rothfuss has time and again proven to be an untrustworthy character.
To add to this, a lot of people hated the second book, me included. The entire book was a whole lot of nothing, with very little to no advancement towards solving the mysteries lied out in the first book. This was supposed to be book 2 of a trilogy.
I am done with this series. But, people like Rothfuss infuriate me because his irresponsibility might lead some people to think twice before investing in a new author's series, when there is so much completed work to be consumed.
We've been waiting 12 years. This is no longer waiting. This is just longing for something that will never happen, and sometimes we get mad.
And yes, bullying the author is wrong, he's still a person with a life and stuff, but we also have the right to be angry. Promises were made and not delivered. Personally attacking Patrick Rothfuss is wrong, but claiming what we're owed or mourning what we'll never have is not.
I do agree that a massive part of the problem is the lack of transparency. Had he been open and said from the beginning the sequels would take years and years because of mental health/life stuff, fans would be less frustrated. I feel the aggravating factor is this "constant teasing" with half-hearted sneak peaks.
There is that implied, tacit agreement between an author and their fandom, so I get it. A story must be finished, I also get frustrated at how this situation has so badly degenerated
@@PrashanthB-bi7lca lot? No. Only a few. An absurd majority loved the second book and i personally think it's even better than the 1st one.
He’s a human first and he’s already blessed me with the gift of books he’s written. He owes me nothing.
Pat, if you’re reading this, I’m sending nothing but love your way and I hope you’re finding peace and joy.
idk, i think he kind of owes everyone the chapter (even if he decides to change it later). money isn't a joke.
Then you deserve the wait, you deserve to wait another who knows how many years before you have your trilogy finale that have been promised years ago, and you deserve to get scammed and milked for a chapter in a sorry excuse of “I feel bad”, not me though.
Ok, 13 years to make 3rd book better, but 5 monts after your vid. We still dont have chapter dude. . . Idk im done defending him. He ' s becoming pise of sh. . . In my mind . . .
He’s not finishing it bc he is trying to tell a simplistic story in 4000~ pages, all told (shorter books included).
The problem is you could be the best prose writer that’s ever existed but if your story is garbage, it’s going to be a hard go of it trying to make the story work, no matter how improved your prose gets over time.
The first book, to be fair, I didn’t get through more than about 250 pages of it, but that’s also exactly why: it’s a tropey mess that doesn’t earn its heightened level of prose, which only falls apart bc of the plot being generic and problematic.
While I wouldn't say the overall plot is the best I have ever read it is very, very far away from garbage. To each their own opinion however, nothing is everyone's cup of tea.
"I would have written a shorter letter, but I did not have enough time." Oscar Wilde (I think)
Fully agree, each to their own
Oh my fucking god u couldn't be more far from the truth HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAA
His story isn't simplistic and the plot is very, very, VERY good. It's on game of thrones level of writing and better than lotr in almost every aspect
cope
I stopped reading the second book when i realized the third would never come out. I wasnt really enjoying the second one anyway. I wish him the best but it didnt seem worth getting invested