I am used to counter steering on my motorcycle/ bicycles at speeds above 20mph. I am Curious does that come into play at all on the MLM? I know Trikes don't counter steer but Normal Trikes don't lean either lol. That wont effect my decision to purchase because i like how much safer this ETrike is compared to other EBikes in loss of road traction scenarios.
I think improving the aerodynamics is important (c.f. Aptera), but that would be inverse to the amount of fun/wind in your hair effect one gets from riding. It really does need a fairing and a roof for protection from weather and to improve aerodynamics. See the Drymer from Sinner Bikes.
Mark people are wondering if they have to pedal all the time while riding or can they travel a couple of miles without pedaling?? Can the battery be charged from an outlet or is the only way of charging is by pedaling? Thanks
The term you two are reaching for is pedelec vs. thumb throttle. Pedelec only activates the motor while pedals are moving, even with no forced effort. I hate it and it has ruined the EU e-bike market where it is mandatory.
Looks cool and fun to ride, but I have one question that is probably going to be quite important to the success of this project: How does driving corners work? How much degrees can you take?
The FUV has a very low center of gravity with battery tunnel and motors down at the level of the wheel axles. There has never been a roll-over and it takes a real effort to get one wheel a few inches off the ground in a turn. The G-forces will be tugging you hard against the harness and you will be fully aware of what you are doing as you approach the limits of hard turns. I don't know what you mean by degrees. I have not gotten my tires to squeal in a turn (dry pavement) that was far harder than I would ever normally want to experience.
@@popeyegordon I mainly ment the Mean Lean machene. After all it's kinda trying to replace the ebike and what i like about bicycles is their flexibility. That a tricycle is not as flexible is obvious and not idea breaking, it just depends on how less flexible it is.
@@Feds_the_Freds There is a larger engineering team available for this than for any other ebike ever made. Only a bare bones prototype is shown. There is a promise of many iterations. Too soon to speculate on this. What is unique is the charging system and power design, all new and until proven otherwise we can't say they are wrong about it being the most efficient ever.
@@popeyegordon but to be honest "most efficient" isn't really saying much untill it has proven anything ;) Yeah the charging option looks like a really cool idea.
@@Feds_the_Freds I just finished pointing out the fact that most efficient is claimed but not yet proven. Their claim 5 years ago that they would produce a great autocycle came to pass. No reason to lie or exaggerate now. There are other videos besides this one. They claim all components and the whole design is a new more efficient radically different approach. We have no reason to doubt that claim at this time and a hot new design is not going to be explained in detail without inviting patent infringements and imported copies. Watch for performance reviews in more videos this year. Time will tell.
I originally thought the FUV was going to get some leaning capability. There are aspects of the MLM that I like better, but I do need some enclosure (weather protection) - so, 1/50th the materials of a Hummer. Very exciting stuff.
Remember that the FUV is able to use wide flat treaded car tires, mating a much larger traction surface to the road. I trust it a thousand percent more than any motorcycle I have ever driven, especially in rain. One little oil patch can't wipe me out.
Bikes are not a direct substitute for cars, even if they're electrified. They're a complement in the vast majority of cases. Bad-ass little e-bike there though, using that for a cargo bike platform would be cool.
In Arizona where I am, I suspect this will be 50% of my travel unless I also get a FUV then less while the FUV gets my EV rides to 80% or more (we currently can walk to almost everything and do except when it’s a smidge to warm)
@@Travlinmo but you still need a car, right? And you're probably on the extreme end of using non car transport (which I applaud!). From a resource perspective - these are n+1. The same is true for all my bikes, my fun car, etc. We're not getting away from cars because things like this don't address the full set of a user's needs.
@@GalenMittermann Just like the lockdowns, it doesn't matter if it fits your life, only when someone else decides it for you; that makes it achievable. Just like our current situation. Either you stop using fossil fuel or be damned and be punished. Move your current living situation, accommodate for what big brother/bully thinks you need, and forget everything you have been doing; you are wrong and those that don't will pay the price, we'll squash you...... In other words, if you cannot drive an electric vehicle at your current residence, you need to sell your property and move. So you can allow someone else to move in your home that can use an EV from your housing location.... That way at least 95% of America is under Mortgage, and financing a vehicle at the same time. Then if you lose your job, you are homeless in 30 days.
@@GalenMittermann What consumers arbitrarily claim they 'need' is a mistake that is slowly killing our biome. Sure, traveling salesmen and traveling service providers will be the last to challenge about their use of fossil fuels. And the military. But there is simply no way around it. A 'fun car' that burns gas is stealing more than your fair share of resources from future generations. Also a heavy over powered Tesla. Change your lifestlye or be taxed into oblivion.
Galen - I proved you wrong by only owning a solar/pedal hybrid trike, the ELF, as my sole transportation for seven years (shown in my avatar image). It has a 550 pound payload capacity and is the safest bike ever made, due to its body shell. IT WAS MY PERFECTLY VIABLE CAR SUBSTITUTE which made it possible for me to say I bought my last gallon of gas seven years ago. As I age I just treated myself to an FUV thanks to all the money I saved without a car. Also very safe like my car-bike, and my power bill has only gone up two dollars a month.
Ricidulous question. Nobody wants to sit on a bike seat for 100 miles let alone 250. That's what trains and busses are for. If you spend enough time stationary pedaling the battery never runs out. It generates.
They only have a prototype which may change before production. They should have it close or in production by the end of the year. Keep checking their web page.
@@SemiMono they are targeting $2,000 eventually, but that probably won't happen for at least 2 years. The initial price when it comes out will most likely be 4-6k maybe, 3k if we're lucky.
@@SemiMono I think they are still tweaking it. They might add or improve something that may change the price. I don't think they want to commit to a price that may be way off. With this Russian war and gas price, getting materials may be harder to get and may cost more.
Still has the same problem as other trikes. Too wide for bike lanes, sidewalks, edge of roads and tight parking spots where a two wheeled vehicle reigns, higher cost and weight, too slow to mingle with road traffic, with limited stability benefit....but I would love to ride one. I just don't know how I could use it to commute in my specific case.
You are confused - it is not legal to operate a motor vehicle in bike lanes or on sidewalks. There would be no reason to keep to the edges of roads when you have similar horsepower and superior maneuverability to the other cars around you. It looks like you are tinking you are commenting under a video about bicycles. This is a 77 HP, 80 MPH EV. The stabilty benefit is extreme! Very low COG.
@@SWTrailsAndWheels Actually he discusses all of them to compare. But you are also incorrect regaring too wide for bike lanes. For 7 years I have used the OT ELF for all my transportation. It is almost 4 feet wide, the widest trike on the market, but has never been a problem on trails or road lanes unless there are entrance bollards spaced too closely. There is virtually no difference when parking the trike except you use the end of a bike rack, not the middle (unless the rack's slots line up with the two front tires without fenders on them). I never hesitated to use any vertical post to lock to and in most cases you can roll up onto the sidewalk in front of stores or use odd triangle spaces cars can't fit into, and motorcycle parking spaces. If city laws allow bikes on sidewalks they also allow trikes, the driver must alway yield to walkers in all cases. Even a wide baby stroller has to respect others on sidewalks.
You need it for $$$😊 This kind of machine is not new. There are at least half a dozen products in EU. Couple of them with global auto parts manufacturer. Ready for mass production, what North America don’t have is attitude to encourage and provide safe infrastructure for commuting and sharing roads, trails and mountains with HPV or EHPV vehicles.
For parts? All the parts will be unique and of no use on other bikes. These will have both mechanical locks, as many as you need, and electronic codes for access. Like all bikes, they can be chained or taken inside or fitted with a tracker. They can be insured too.
FUV not being fully enclosed makes me not want it in New England. THIS thing, if it is cheap enough, would be nice to get around when it's nice outside. It competes with Rad Runner though, this will be more comfortable but might be tough to compete with price and storage options.
Hi Tyler They are working on some kind of full enclosure for FUV. They offer 1/2 doors now with heated seats and hand grips. For hot areas they are working on some kind of A/C too.
This is not a car. It is cold turkey for climate controlled personal car addicts. There are a few car-bikes with body shells, I have driven one as my only transportation for the last 7 years until I bought my FUV 2 months ago. There are many northern regions like New England where people are going to be forced to hole up for winters like we used to do until 100 years ago. We simply can no longer justify abusing the raw horsepower of fossil fuels to bash our way through winters. Go back to holing up for the winter with a pile of firewood and enough preserved foods, getting out only with skis or snowshoes. Or move somewhere more conducive to human life.
Learn math! 10,000 pounds = five tons. The Tesla is also obscenely heavy, over built and over powered. There is nothing about a Tesla that is green. It was a huge blunder in design that rich people don't care about yet.
@@jameshoffman552 What an asshole! Tesla is trashed by the devastating illustration of how much resources it takes compared to the FUV. Teslas are an abomination and a joke, far too heavy, fast and power hungry to ever qualify as sustainable transportation. They are selling fast as status symbols only, not solutions. Eventually Musk will be outed for this, too late to stop all the damage his luxury cars are causing now, damage fully equal to fossil fueled cars simply because of it size and weight.
Get rid of the kickstand and make it a hand opperated cable lock. It has three wheels, it should stand on its own without leaning. if it should fail, it should fail in the off position. You dont want the leaning function to lock up up before your next turn.
Your last sentence revealed your logic error. There is no lock for the tilting mechanics, for now. Thus the need for a kickstand in most but not all situations. But I wonder if a steering lock would be a smart feature - get on it without the key and you could not turn the handlebars. With a designed in non-defeatable automatic steering lock, no kickstand is needed.
@@TheyForcedMyHandLE Nobody implied such a lock can not be 'thought up'. It is just not a feature yet. And remember that if you forgot to unlock it and you started riding expecting the tilt feature to be there for balancing you could take a tumble. Exactly who is lacking brain power?
[Please note: this Comment also appears on Arcimoto's other recent e-trike video.] Hmm... My road-going mountain-bike cost £95 (ninety-five, brand new from Halfords) over 15 years ago. It costs virtually nothing to own and run, although I've had a couple of new tyres. I've smothered it in a mass of DIY racks and panniers, turning it into a bit of a cargo mule; it weighs 55 lbs unladen, and can carry 50 lbs of groceries. For the past decade (since selling my car) I've ridden it 70 miles a week, every week. I'm in the grey, wet, gloomy, windy, hilly north of England; the weather's awful, the roads are ghastly, the traffic's murder, and I hate, hate, hate cycling. The only positives are the negligible cost and the fact that it keeps my backside in trim. I can't afford to use public transport, nor can I afford an EV of any kind. Cars, e-bikes, e-trikes, e-scooters... One wheel, two wheels, three wheels or four, they're all stupidly expensive, complex, sophisticated whizzy techie toys for bored and trendy rich people. The 'Apple, Dyson, Tesla' demographic. I'm not sure this trike is going to change transport for the masses any more than that ludicrous 'Segway' thing did. The world needs a small, cheap, weather-proof electric vehicle. Cheap?Around £300 [three hundred]. Maybe the Chinese will produce something. Perhaps they already do, but it'll never make it onto British roads without a mysterious 6,750% price increase. For now, I'll just have to stick to pedalling my trusty, rusty old mule. ☹️
You will grow up and get old. I did. I realized I needed the compromise of an e-bike for ten years before retiring. In retirement I used the OT ELF as my only transportation for the last 7 years. It is shown in my avatar. As I age and want more cargo capacity and safety and the FUV became interesting. The many thousands I saved by owning no car and buying no gas for the last 7 years paid for my new FUV.
I'd love a Twike that doesn't cost $8000 or whatever they're up to now. Enclosed, windshield, pedal assist but can go without pedaling and fun to look at and drive. Also safe around pedestrians - they have a foam nosecone. Just need to make them ALL glow in the dark. ATTENTION MANUFACTURERS - ALL YOUR CARS/BIKES/TRUCKS/BUSES SHOULD GLOW IN THE DARK. Thank you for listening to my public service announcement.
This e-trike is nice but having the actual Tilting Motor Work tech on a company Arcimoto acquired Tilting in January 2021.. One year later a s all we got was a e-trike? Like yo "rAMP" it up so we an get a FUV that is FUN!
The FUV is already the most fun of any EV. And as safe as any small car. The vehicle design geometry will not support tilting. As an owner I would have no interest in that. We need car replacements, not hot rods or racing bikes.
@@popeyegordon congratulations on being a owner 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 I get what you are saying, I've driven the FUV it is fun, it is safe. If a regular motorcycle trike can use the tilting tech then so can the FUV. It's my opinion, change the gopmety or find me a e-trike. The vehicle is fun to drive but even getting the Roadster version to tilt world be great. You as a owner have no interest, I as a potential owner have that interest, just my opinion & don't take it offensively. It's like driving a tricycle with a Electric Motor, but if you told me I can make any variant lean then I'm buying it, other then that I'll use TMW on a e-motorcycle trike mod.
@@danielland3767 You failed to look at the wide stance of the FUV. It gets stability through width. A complete redesign would be required to have tilting with two motors. This has been hashed over in our owners group for months. It is wise to know what you are talking about first.
@@popeyegordon 1st chill on the attitude, you make owning a FUV look bad if this I'd the atmosphere that comes with it. 2nd, I looked at another vehicle an completely understood you previous statement and agree. 3rd if that's your attitude you turn people away from the product, not to it. But thanks for the inside info on the owners talking about using the tilting tech...I appreciate it
@@danielland3767 The attitude is coming from people who know nothing about this design and yet criticize it and say tilting can work on the FUV. That is just plain false. Half of these trolls have never ridden any kind of ebike. In contrast I have decades of experience with commuting on ebikes ever since the first mass produced one came out. I have been a corporate bike club president and commute reduction coordinator. I bought my last gallon of gas 7 years ago. As a retired electronics engineer I know the tech and its limitations.
Doors on a bicycle? Like I told you recently, I bought the FUV after having only the ELF solar car-bike for 7 years. Neither have doors. That's just a left over habit from car drivers who demand a lounge seat in a climate controlled sealed compartment. No longer sustainable!
@@popeyegordon I was joking about the doors -- but I do enjoy my climate controlled sealed compartment of my Chevy Bolt -- I just wish to have that in a small 1 seater to get to work and back. Mostly for winters. For spring summer fall I ride a combination of Ebike EUC but admittedly only in good weather. When it rains, back to the Bolt. Cheers
I admire the goal of "right sizing" transportation. But I just don't see it with American's current mindset. Personally, if I owned an FUV it could not be my ONLY vehicle. It would be an ADDITIONAL vehicle. I'd need traditional sized vehicle for trips that required added safety weather-proofing, space etc. Does Mark Fohnmayer only own an FUV and use that for all of his travel? Also, I'm struggling to see why I would buy a "Mean Lean Machine" instead of an traditional e-bike. There are certain sidewalks and trails in town that allow bicycles but not other vehicles. Also, bikes can lean too and are usually cheaper and more nimble. I think there needs to be a change in the whole community's mindset and American infrastructure for Arcimoto type vehicles to become the majority of people's ONLY vehicle.
America's mindset is being forced into navel gazing. We are learning the hard way that car culture is a failure leading ultimately to extinction. The current gas price hike is a paradigm shift for the millions who have been totally ignorng the impacts of our car addiction. Frohnmyer has to travel to attend business meetings. I'm disgusted by all the RUclips troll assholes who call environmentalists hypocrites if they fly to a meeting about climate. Guess what - the president of the United States will also never drive around in a light sustainable vehicle and that does NOT make him/her any kind of hypocrite. My ONLY vehicle for the last seven years was a 160 pound car-bike as shown in my avatar. I saved so much money that way I saved up to pay cash for my new Arcimoto. So now I still have just a bike and an autocycle which is a lot. The concept of the leaning bike is to get even more people out of their cars, people who have not been sold on the joy of bicycling yet. It is worth a shot and even if this never takes off due to lack of demand it is still a valiant effort and the success of the FUV will retain the limelight as Mark's legacy. A growing number of us have realized personal cars and the lifestyles they enable are not sustianable and they never were. We are changing our lifestyles, stopping long commutes in personal vehicles, moving away from regions where it is too hard to live clean, like northern snow belt regions. The only acceptable way to live through a northern winter is to hole up with ten cords of wood and a food supply good until the spring thaw, use skis if you have to get out. Abusing the raw power of fossil fuels to force our way through winters is out. We just don't realize that yet.
Let's get it right. You either accommodate for an EV fitting your lifestyle or we'll accommodate your lifestyle for you. You are wrong, and we are right. So sell everything you own and buy a new home that fits an EV lifestyle, and accommodate an EV lifestyle into your life... So you have a million dollar 1 bedroom 1/2 bath apartment under mortgage and a EV under financing. Because after you force 95% of rural America into relocating for their careers, you make the housing market boom, and then someone else can buy your home and try to make it to work from your current location with an EV. Because like Popeye Gordon's thinking; everyone that lives in rural America are just stupid idiots and need to be reevaluated and their life needs to be ruined.... Only because his life and his thinking is good, and fits everyone on the planet earth!
@@kramnull8962 You are really lying and exaggerating about my stance, which is not really MINE but just stark reality. I never said ALL rural people need to change but if you look closer you see the farmers we need mixed with the wasteful inherited horse farms of the rich who can no longer justify keeping 1200 pound pets and all the waste of resources that entails. We see those who claim they love country life but only use it as a base for constant long trips to cities. They typically drive heavy duty pickup trucks on trips that could be done cleanly in small EVs. The solution is a change of lifestyles and more transportation options for rural areas. Farmers and truck farms will always have a priority for accessing fuel for at least another decade until more EVs are practical for them to use. The new e-pickups are going to help. The sudden surge in fuel prices will mean more than just higher food costs, it will accelerate the inevitable change to come. "a million dollar 1 bedroom 1/2 bath apartment under mortgage and a EV under financing" is bullshit and you know it. Someone like that does not know how and where to live. I paid cash for everything my entire life, including the $25K total cost for my FUV. It was the bulk of my life savings. It is an honor, not a hardship, for me to be able to state I have bought no gas for 7 years now. A Draconian tax on fossil fuels is closer than ever, to force change on those with stubborn habits. I'm only the messenger. If you hate the message that's your problem. A lifetime of over consumption has forced this on you. Grow up or just bitch, either way you will change or perish.
@@popeyegordon Nope, you just made oil unusable by 95% of America, so now there is no need to process fuel for less than $1000 a gallon. But you did fund the electricity industry because electric now goes to $150 per Kw hr. Usage means everything! Let's just learn to grow grasses we can eat and do nothing the remainder of our lives.... Of course that would cause massive farts to exist, so we have to kill those people/polluters from the face of the earth as well!
Nothing remotely funny about it. The charging from pedal power is mostly for use while stationary. Any extra load on the rider is like dragging an anchor. Few bikers want to make every ride an extreme effort.
I could write a dissertation on why this will not come to market but I will keep it simple. People are stupid. I was hopeful for this company and the FUV but my goodness what a major flop. I still have a little bit of hope that they will do something.
I hate non-peddlers, they think they own the road and don't care that they are poisoning our biome for all. Peddlers have the exact same right to the road as you do and they deserve more respect for not steailing more than their fair share of resouves from future generations. Peddlers don't kill people in hit and runs. They won't murder someone if they run a light. They don't have the speed to catch up with you to get your license number after you break the law.
@@popeyegordon ...Hey stupid! Peddlars get what's coming to them for not stopping at stop signs nor lights. "They won't murder someone if they run a light." ... you admitted here that the peddlers are the primary lawbreakers. If I only had a nickel for every time I was on one of my motorcycles and had to yell out to a peddler- - -'Hey! you have to obey the same laws and rules of the road as I do.' Ditto for pedestrians who do the same, you do not have carte blanche to just go your own way. The funniest things I've seen on the road is when two peddlers, going different directions, crash into each other!
@@LoneBrowncoat You are issued a driver license on the condition that you share to road. Failure to do so can mean revocation. Since I said 'if' they run a light the impact is far less, your'e the one posting idiotic dishonest threatening comments here. Rolling stops are legal in some states for bicycles. The law is the law, not what you say it is. Do you laugh at wrong way head on car collisions too? Jackass.
@@popeyegordon .....I met him at a Con, introduced him to the other reverse three wheel trikes. Including the ZEV LRC-T from West Virginia. It is electric, and it tilts. It only took you three months to make your quip? What's wrong? Your brain cells only fire at 300 baud dial-up?🙄
Only for longer rides. The amount of pedaling effort needed to activate the motor assist is variable. The more you use it the stronger you get but this can also be a stationary exercise bike that charges as you use it. Only a model with a thumb throttle will be accepted by lazy people. Pedelec sucks.
I got a feeling they are going to price it to cause this to be a RUclips video viewed in ten years wondering "what happened'..... Another get rich money grab project that was too expensive to catch on. I hear ALOT of extatic hooeful investors chwering him on 😢
As a new Arcimoto owner and a veteran of 20 years of ebike use I say this will be closer to 4 grand with a few options and it will sell but maybe not in big numbers unless they offer models with the right options like maximum cargo capacity. But all we can see here is a stripped down prototype. If you were following the history of this company you would not accuse them of 'get rich quick' and in fact they are the opposite of that. Teslas embody the wrong stuff - too big, too fast, too overpowered. Status symbols that won't help the environment.
I think it's too early to judge the MLM's design, being a prototype. However, I also would like to have a tilting FUV that's no wider than the mirrors, with TMW's Tilt Lock function that keeps the vehicle upright at a stop.
The FUV design is not compatible with tilting. As an owner I'd have no interest in that. I wanted, and got, a fun utility vehicle capable of carrying me and my cargo in safety.
I don't think we need an agreement here. Gordon I envy you that you get to enjoy the FUV already. If I were you I probably wouldn't care about a tilting model either. However, there are people who would be interested, and I think it'd be financially wasteful to not develop one after spending ~$10mil acquiring TMW. I don't think just the MLM would generate enough profit to make that acquisition worthwhile. I could be wrong but I think having a choice would be good.
@@bluepalomavelomobile8360 Absolutely not. The exact opposite is the case. We definitely do NOT need a tilting FUV for the main level of general utility, rentals, delivery service, postal use, First Responders, pickup models or fire responders. We need them to get the price lower by simplifying the design and that is the stated plan. High end high performance kid's crotch rockets can wait. Twin motor autocycles with a wide front for stability can not be made to tilt. There is no reason for it - the tire traction is already excellent, the design has never been tipped over or rolled yet. A hard turn just pulls you against the 6 point harness.
So tired of the nonsense of Climate change being used. Just build something useful and or fun... trying to compare a Hummer to an electric bike makes it more of a joke instead of what it really could be, a fun toy in urban situations, and possibly trail riding. And i have solar and have owned an Ebike... but, honestly the ebike came as close to taking away some driving but I am not willing to live in town to Ebike... sell it for what it is and leave the politics and flawed "science" out of it, remember the "science" said most of the coast would have been UNDERWATER 2 DECADES AGO...
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so cool! I preordered!
I am used to counter steering on my motorcycle/ bicycles at speeds above 20mph. I am Curious does that come into play at all on the MLM? I know Trikes don't counter steer but Normal Trikes don't lean either lol. That wont effect my decision to purchase because i like how much safer this ETrike is compared to other EBikes in loss of road traction scenarios.
I think improving the aerodynamics is important (c.f. Aptera), but that would be inverse to the amount of fun/wind in your hair effect one gets from riding. It really does need a fairing and a roof for protection from weather and to improve aerodynamics. See the Drymer from Sinner Bikes.
Mark people are wondering if they have to pedal all the time while riding or can they travel a couple of miles without pedaling??
Can the battery be charged from an outlet or is the only way of charging is by pedaling?
Thanks
You can definitely plug it in to charge, don't worry. On the other thing I hope they do have a control for moving without pedaling
The term you two are reaching for is pedelec vs. thumb throttle. Pedelec only activates the motor while pedals are moving, even with no forced effort. I hate it and it has ruined the EU e-bike market where it is mandatory.
I love it!
Looks cool and fun to ride, but I have one question that is probably going to be quite important to the success of this project: How does driving corners work? How much degrees can you take?
The FUV has a very low center of gravity with battery tunnel and motors down at the level of the wheel axles. There has never been a roll-over and it takes a real effort to get one wheel a few inches off the ground in a turn. The G-forces will be tugging you hard against the harness and you will be fully aware of what you are doing as you approach the limits of hard turns. I don't know what you mean by degrees. I have not gotten my tires to squeal in a turn (dry pavement) that was far harder than I would ever normally want to experience.
@@popeyegordon I mainly ment the Mean Lean machene. After all it's kinda trying to replace the ebike and what i like about bicycles is their flexibility. That a tricycle is not as flexible is obvious and not idea breaking, it just depends on how less flexible it is.
@@Feds_the_Freds There is a larger engineering team available for this than for any other ebike ever made. Only a bare bones prototype is shown. There is a promise of many iterations. Too soon to speculate on this. What is unique is the charging system and power design, all new and until proven otherwise we can't say they are wrong about it being the most efficient ever.
@@popeyegordon but to be honest "most efficient" isn't really saying much untill it has proven anything ;)
Yeah the charging option looks like a really cool idea.
@@Feds_the_Freds I just finished pointing out the fact that most efficient is claimed but not yet proven. Their claim 5 years ago that they would produce a great autocycle came to pass. No reason to lie or exaggerate now. There are other videos besides this one. They claim all components and the whole design is a new more efficient radically different approach. We have no reason to doubt that claim at this time and a hot new design is not going to be explained in detail without inviting patent infringements and imported copies. Watch for performance reviews in more videos this year. Time will tell.
Can’t wait!!
Does it have a Spare Tire?
You got your answer more than once.
I originally thought the FUV was going to get some leaning capability. There are aspects of the MLM that I like better, but I do need some enclosure (weather protection) - so, 1/50th the materials of a Hummer. Very exciting stuff.
Remember that the FUV is able to use wide flat treaded car tires, mating a much larger traction surface to the road. I trust it a thousand percent more than any motorcycle I have ever driven, especially in rain. One little oil patch can't wipe me out.
@@popeyegordon Thank you. Yes, they really need the 2 wheels in front.
The MLM Rocks! … or, rather, tilts.
preordered
is this foldable?
Never went into production. Some day, maybe.
what is it gonna cost? looks great, btw :)
no price given. that's always a bad sign. going by the high prices of their other items I'd say $5,000
The MLM is worth at least 1/10th a Model Y. I will happily pay $5000 for one.
Their eventual target is $2k. Most likely they start at 4-6k, maybe 3k if we're lucky.
@@joebuslife9275 nice. Ty!
Bikes are not a direct substitute for cars, even if they're electrified. They're a complement in the vast majority of cases. Bad-ass little e-bike there though, using that for a cargo bike platform would be cool.
In Arizona where I am, I suspect this will be 50% of my travel unless I also get a FUV then less while the FUV gets my EV rides to 80% or more (we currently can walk to almost everything and do except when it’s a smidge to warm)
@@Travlinmo but you still need a car, right? And you're probably on the extreme end of using non car transport (which I applaud!). From a resource perspective - these are n+1. The same is true for all my bikes, my fun car, etc. We're not getting away from cars because things like this don't address the full set of a user's needs.
@@GalenMittermann Just like the lockdowns, it doesn't matter if it fits your life, only when someone else decides it for you; that makes it achievable.
Just like our current situation. Either you stop using fossil fuel or be damned and be punished. Move your current living situation, accommodate for what big brother/bully thinks you need, and forget everything you have been doing; you are wrong and those that don't will pay the price, we'll squash you......
In other words, if you cannot drive an electric vehicle at your current residence, you need to sell your property and move. So you can allow someone else to move in your home that can use an EV from your housing location.... That way at least 95% of America is under Mortgage, and financing a vehicle at the same time. Then if you lose your job, you are homeless in 30 days.
@@GalenMittermann What consumers arbitrarily claim they 'need' is a mistake that is slowly killing our biome. Sure, traveling salesmen and traveling service providers will be the last to challenge about their use of fossil fuels. And the military. But there is simply no way around it. A 'fun car' that burns gas is stealing more than your fair share of resources from future generations. Also a heavy over powered Tesla. Change your lifestlye or be taxed into oblivion.
Galen - I proved you wrong by only owning a solar/pedal hybrid trike, the ELF, as my sole transportation for seven years (shown in my avatar image). It has a 550 pound payload capacity and is the safest bike ever made, due to its body shell. IT WAS MY PERFECTLY VIABLE CAR SUBSTITUTE which made it possible for me to say I bought my last gallon of gas seven years ago. As I age I just treated myself to an FUV thanks to all the money I saved without a car. Also very safe like my car-bike, and my power bill has only gone up two dollars a month.
Is there a battery range of atleast 250mi? Thanks
200 miles with auxiliary battery they said
Ricidulous question. Nobody wants to sit on a bike seat for 100 miles let alone 250. That's what trains and busses are for. If you spend enough time stationary pedaling the battery never runs out. It generates.
Cool beans!
I’m waiting for the FUV IN CANADA!!
I never heard, and couldn't find a price?
Rivian proved that it's not safe to state a price on preorder items. Just in case of inflation or high popularity.
They only have a prototype which may change before production. They should have it close or in production by the end of the year. Keep checking their web page.
I get why they didn't but having a ballpark changes everything. Is it ~ $1000, $3000, $5000, or $10000?
@@SemiMono they are targeting $2,000 eventually, but that probably won't happen for at least 2 years. The initial price when it comes out will most likely be 4-6k maybe, 3k if we're lucky.
@@SemiMono I think they are still tweaking it. They might add or improve something that may change the price. I don't think they want to commit to a price that may be way off. With this Russian war and gas price, getting materials may be harder to get and may cost more.
Still has the same problem as other trikes. Too wide for bike lanes, sidewalks, edge of roads and tight parking spots where a two wheeled vehicle reigns, higher cost and weight, too slow to mingle with road traffic, with limited stability benefit....but I would love to ride one. I just don't know how I could use it to commute in my specific case.
You are confused - it is not legal to operate a motor vehicle in bike lanes or on sidewalks. There would be no reason to keep to the edges of roads when you have similar horsepower and superior maneuverability to the other cars around you. It looks like you are tinking you are commenting under a video about bicycles. This is a 77 HP, 80 MPH EV. The stabilty benefit is extreme! Very low COG.
@@popeyegordon You are confused. We are talking about the Mean Lean Machine trike, not the larger Arcimoto offerings.
@@SWTrailsAndWheels Actually he discusses all of them to compare. But you are also incorrect regaring too wide for bike lanes. For 7 years I have used the OT ELF for all my transportation. It is almost 4 feet wide, the widest trike on the market, but has never been a problem on trails or road lanes unless there are entrance bollards spaced too closely. There is virtually no difference when parking the trike except you use the end of a bike rack, not the middle (unless the rack's slots line up with the two front tires without fenders on them). I never hesitated to use any vertical post to lock to and in most cases you can roll up onto the sidewalk in front of stores or use odd triangle spaces cars can't fit into, and motorcycle parking spaces. If city laws allow bikes on sidewalks they also allow trikes, the driver must alway yield to walkers in all cases. Even a wide baby stroller has to respect others on sidewalks.
SSSOOOOOO COOL
and Likely Lucratively so. I'm buying!
Is this an mlm?
Absolutely. He said so himself.
Less ads, more production!
You need it for $$$😊 This kind of machine is not new. There are at least half a dozen products in EU. Couple of them with global auto parts manufacturer. Ready for mass production, what North America don’t have is attitude to encourage and provide safe infrastructure for commuting and sharing roads, trails and mountains with HPV or EHPV vehicles.
When MLM in Australia. More precise when in Lismore North Coast NSW. How much AU$ in Australia. Potential MLM, minimum order 250 by the end 2023
In an era of increasing crime and disregard for law enforcement, how do you prevent these bikes from being stolen and scrapped for parts?
For parts? All the parts will be unique and of no use on other bikes. These will have both mechanical locks, as many as you need, and electronic codes for access. Like all bikes, they can be chained or taken inside or fitted with a tracker. They can be insured too.
FUV not being fully enclosed makes me not want it in New England. THIS thing, if it is cheap enough, would be nice to get around when it's nice outside. It competes with Rad Runner though, this will be more comfortable but might be tough to compete with price and storage options.
Hi Tyler They are working on some kind of full enclosure for FUV. They offer 1/2 doors now with heated seats and hand grips.
For hot areas they are working on some kind of A/C too.
Yeah @@beachbum200009 is right. Also, by the time they're sending them your way in UK those full doors will have been released.
This is not a car. It is cold turkey for climate controlled personal car addicts. There are a few car-bikes with body shells, I have driven one as my only transportation for the last 7 years until I bought my FUV 2 months ago. There are many northern regions like New England where people are going to be forced to hole up for winters like we used to do until 100 years ago. We simply can no longer justify abusing the raw horsepower of fossil fuels to bash our way through winters. Go back to holing up for the winter with a pile of firewood and enough preserved foods, getting out only with skis or snowshoes. Or move somewhere more conducive to human life.
@@popeyegordon You'll ban firewood for sure months after you force everyone into their hole.
You know, your point that the earth is melting......
@@popeyegordon I think it is much more reasonable that you start limiting females to 1 kid!
What, what, the Hummer EV weighs FOUR FREACKIN TONS?!?!
Learn math! 10,000 pounds = five tons. The Tesla is also obscenely heavy, over built and over powered. There is nothing about a Tesla that is green. It was a huge blunder in design that rich people don't care about yet.
@@popeyegordon c/p:
9000 Pound = 4082.33133 Kilogram
Maybe you should learn how to learn, internet shouty-person.
@@popeyegordon - TeslaTrashBot --- nice gig.
@@jameshoffman552 What an asshole! Tesla is trashed by the devastating illustration of how much resources it takes compared to the FUV. Teslas are an abomination and a joke, far too heavy, fast and power hungry to ever qualify as sustainable transportation. They are selling fast as status symbols only, not solutions. Eventually Musk will be outed for this, too late to stop all the damage his luxury cars are causing now, damage fully equal to fossil fueled cars simply because of it size and weight.
Get rid of the kickstand and make it a hand opperated cable lock. It has three wheels, it should stand on its own without leaning. if it should fail, it should fail in the off position. You dont want the leaning function to lock up up before your next turn.
Your last sentence revealed your logic error. There is no lock for the tilting mechanics, for now. Thus the need for a kickstand in most but not all situations. But I wonder if a steering lock would be a smart feature - get on it without the key and you could not turn the handlebars. With a designed in non-defeatable automatic steering lock, no kickstand is needed.
@@popeyegordon His logic error? You're acting like we don't have the brain power to think up a "lock for the tilting mechanics".
@@TheyForcedMyHandLE Nobody implied such a lock can not be 'thought up'. It is just not a feature yet. And remember that if you forgot to unlock it and you started riding expecting the tilt feature to be there for balancing you could take a tumble. Exactly who is lacking brain power?
two suggestions: make the seat more comfortable than a bike's , have a way to strap a kiddo + some groceries
The seat is clearly more comfy than a bike horn seat but the real comfort comes from a rear suspension.
Sounds like it weighs about 90 pounds.
[Please note: this Comment also appears on Arcimoto's other recent e-trike video.]
Hmm... My road-going mountain-bike cost £95 (ninety-five, brand new from Halfords) over 15 years ago.
It costs virtually nothing to own and run, although I've had a couple of new tyres. I've smothered it in a mass of DIY racks and panniers, turning it into a bit of a cargo mule; it weighs 55 lbs unladen, and can carry 50 lbs of groceries.
For the past decade (since selling my car) I've ridden it 70 miles a week, every week. I'm in the grey, wet, gloomy, windy, hilly north of England; the weather's awful, the roads are ghastly, the traffic's murder, and I hate, hate, hate cycling.
The only positives are the negligible cost and the fact that it keeps my backside in trim.
I can't afford to use public transport, nor can I afford an EV of any kind. Cars, e-bikes, e-trikes, e-scooters... One wheel, two wheels, three wheels or four, they're all stupidly expensive, complex, sophisticated whizzy techie toys for bored and trendy rich people. The 'Apple, Dyson, Tesla' demographic.
I'm not sure this trike is going to change transport for the masses any more than that ludicrous 'Segway' thing did. The world needs a small, cheap, weather-proof electric vehicle. Cheap?Around £300 [three hundred]. Maybe the Chinese will produce something. Perhaps they already do, but it'll never make it onto British roads without a mysterious 6,750% price increase.
For now, I'll just have to stick to pedalling my trusty, rusty old mule. ☹️
Figure out how to make some income.
You will grow up and get old. I did. I realized I needed the compromise of an e-bike for ten years before retiring. In retirement I used the OT ELF as my only transportation for the last 7 years. It is shown in my avatar. As I age and want more cargo capacity and safety and the FUV became interesting. The many thousands I saved by owning no car and buying no gas for the last 7 years paid for my new FUV.
I'd love a Twike that doesn't cost $8000 or whatever they're up to now. Enclosed, windshield, pedal assist but can go without pedaling and fun to look at and drive. Also safe around pedestrians - they have a foam nosecone. Just need to make them ALL glow in the dark. ATTENTION MANUFACTURERS - ALL YOUR CARS/BIKES/TRUCKS/BUSES SHOULD GLOW IN THE DARK. Thank you for listening to my public service announcement.
So you are calling Tremoto's suspension system you employed Eddie Smith to put at your feet TMW's?? Thats real interesting.
This e-trike is nice but having the actual Tilting Motor Work tech on a company Arcimoto acquired Tilting in January 2021..
One year later a s all we got was a e-trike?
Like yo "rAMP" it up so we an get a FUV that is FUN!
The FUV is already the most fun of any EV. And as safe as any small car. The vehicle design geometry will not support tilting. As an owner I would have no interest in that. We need car replacements, not hot rods or racing bikes.
@@popeyegordon congratulations on being a owner 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I get what you are saying, I've driven the FUV it is fun, it is safe. If a regular motorcycle trike can use the tilting tech then so can the FUV.
It's my opinion, change the gopmety or find me a e-trike. The vehicle is fun to drive but even getting the Roadster version to tilt world be great.
You as a owner have no interest, I as a potential owner have that interest, just my opinion & don't take it offensively.
It's like driving a tricycle with a Electric Motor, but if you told me I can make any variant lean then I'm buying it, other then that I'll use TMW on a e-motorcycle trike mod.
@@danielland3767 You failed to look at the wide stance of the FUV. It gets stability through width. A complete redesign would be required to have tilting with two motors. This has been hashed over in our owners group for months. It is wise to know what you are talking about first.
@@popeyegordon
1st chill on the attitude, you make owning a FUV look bad if this I'd the atmosphere that comes with it.
2nd, I looked at another vehicle an completely understood you previous statement and agree.
3rd if that's your attitude you turn people away from the product, not to it.
But thanks for the inside info on the owners talking about using the tilting tech...I appreciate it
@@danielland3767 The attitude is coming from people who know nothing about this design and yet criticize it and say tilting can work on the FUV. That is just plain false. Half of these trolls have never ridden any kind of ebike. In contrast I have decades of experience with commuting on ebikes ever since the first mass produced one came out. I have been a corporate bike club president and commute reduction coordinator. I bought my last gallon of gas 7 years ago. As a retired electronics engineer I know the tech and its limitations.
Will it have doors 🤣
They offer 1/2 doors now with heated seats and hand grips on FUV. They are working on some kind of full enclosure
Doors on a bicycle? Like I told you recently, I bought the FUV after having only the ELF solar car-bike for 7 years. Neither have doors. That's just a left over habit from car drivers who demand a lounge seat in a climate controlled sealed compartment. No longer sustainable!
@@popeyegordon
I was joking about the doors -- but I do enjoy my climate controlled sealed compartment of my Chevy Bolt -- I just wish to have that in a small 1 seater to get to work and back. Mostly for winters. For spring summer fall I ride a combination of Ebike EUC but admittedly only in good weather. When it rains, back to the Bolt.
Cheers
Appreciated the joke ;) Doors for FUV is so long in the making that the joke is spilling over to another product.
We are also way behind on general engineering designs to help with Environmental change.
Not Arctimoto. Watch the video.
"We" referring to the 'establishment' portions of the economy that omits the likes of Tesla and Arcimoto?
@@jameshoffman552 Correct!
@@jameshoffman552 True
I admire the goal of "right sizing" transportation. But I just don't see it with American's current mindset. Personally, if I owned an FUV it could not be my ONLY vehicle. It would be an ADDITIONAL vehicle. I'd need traditional sized vehicle for trips that required added safety weather-proofing, space etc. Does Mark Fohnmayer only own an FUV and use that for all of his travel?
Also, I'm struggling to see why I would buy a "Mean Lean Machine" instead of an traditional e-bike. There are certain sidewalks and trails in town that allow bicycles but not other vehicles. Also, bikes can lean too and are usually cheaper and more nimble.
I think there needs to be a change in the whole community's mindset and American infrastructure for Arcimoto type vehicles to become the majority of people's ONLY vehicle.
America's mindset is being forced into navel gazing. We are learning the hard way that car culture is a failure leading ultimately to extinction. The current gas price hike is a paradigm shift for the millions who have been totally ignorng the impacts of our car addiction. Frohnmyer has to travel to attend business meetings. I'm disgusted by all the RUclips troll assholes who call environmentalists hypocrites if they fly to a meeting about climate. Guess what - the president of the United States will also never drive around in a light sustainable vehicle and that does NOT make him/her any kind of hypocrite. My ONLY vehicle for the last seven years was a 160 pound car-bike as shown in my avatar. I saved so much money that way I saved up to pay cash for my new Arcimoto. So now I still have just a bike and an autocycle which is a lot. The concept of the leaning bike is to get even more people out of their cars, people who have not been sold on the joy of bicycling yet. It is worth a shot and even if this never takes off due to lack of demand it is still a valiant effort and the success of the FUV will retain the limelight as Mark's legacy. A growing number of us have realized personal cars and the lifestyles they enable are not sustianable and they never were. We are changing our lifestyles, stopping long commutes in personal vehicles, moving away from regions where it is too hard to live clean, like northern snow belt regions. The only acceptable way to live through a northern winter is to hole up with ten cords of wood and a food supply good until the spring thaw, use skis if you have to get out. Abusing the raw power of fossil fuels to force our way through winters is out. We just don't realize that yet.
Let's get it right. You either accommodate for an EV fitting your lifestyle or we'll accommodate your lifestyle for you. You are wrong, and we are right. So sell everything you own and buy a new home that fits an EV lifestyle, and accommodate an EV lifestyle into your life... So you have a million dollar 1 bedroom 1/2 bath apartment under mortgage and a EV under financing.
Because after you force 95% of rural America into relocating for their careers, you make the housing market boom, and then someone else can buy your home and try to make it to work from your current location with an EV. Because like Popeye Gordon's thinking; everyone that lives in rural America are just stupid idiots and need to be reevaluated and their life needs to be ruined.... Only because his life and his thinking is good, and fits everyone on the planet earth!
@@kramnull8962 You are really lying and exaggerating about my stance, which is not really MINE but just stark reality. I never said ALL rural people need to change but if you look closer you see the farmers we need mixed with the wasteful inherited horse farms of the rich who can no longer justify keeping 1200 pound pets and all the waste of resources that entails. We see those who claim they love country life but only use it as a base for constant long trips to cities. They typically drive heavy duty pickup trucks on trips that could be done cleanly in small EVs. The solution is a change of lifestyles and more transportation options for rural areas. Farmers and truck farms will always have a priority for accessing fuel for at least another decade until more EVs are practical for them to use. The new e-pickups are going to help. The sudden surge in fuel prices will mean more than just higher food costs, it will accelerate the inevitable change to come. "a million dollar 1 bedroom 1/2 bath apartment under mortgage and a EV under financing" is bullshit and you know it. Someone like that does not know how and where to live. I paid cash for everything my entire life, including the $25K total cost for my FUV. It was the bulk of my life savings. It is an honor, not a hardship, for me to be able to state I have bought no gas for 7 years now. A Draconian tax on fossil fuels is closer than ever, to force change on those with stubborn habits. I'm only the messenger. If you hate the message that's your problem. A lifetime of over consumption has forced this on you. Grow up or just bitch, either way you will change or perish.
@@popeyegordon Nope, you just made oil unusable by 95% of America, so now there is no need to process fuel for less than $1000 a gallon.
But you did fund the electricity industry because electric now goes to $150 per Kw hr. Usage means everything!
Let's just learn to grow grasses we can eat and do nothing the remainder of our lives.... Of course that would cause massive farts to exist, so we have to kill those people/polluters from the face of the earth as well!
@@popeyegordon I say we just unpopulate the earth so she can live happily ever after. It's the only way....
G moe Ev is Better You can charge while riding ....
Nothing remotely funny about it. The charging from pedal power is mostly for use while stationary. Any extra load on the rider is like dragging an anchor. Few bikers want to make every ride an extreme effort.
I could write a dissertation on why this will not come to market but I will keep it simple. People are stupid. I was hopeful for this company and the FUV but my goodness what a major flop. I still have a little bit of hope that they will do something.
I hate peddlers, they don't follow the rules of the road.
I hate non-peddlers, they think they own the road and don't care that they are poisoning our biome for all. Peddlers have the exact same right to the road as you do and they deserve more respect for not steailing more than their fair share of resouves from future generations. Peddlers don't kill people in hit and runs. They won't murder someone if they run a light. They don't have the speed to catch up with you to get your license number after you break the law.
@@popeyegordon ...Hey stupid! Peddlars get what's coming to them for not stopping at stop signs nor lights.
"They won't murder someone if they run a light." ... you admitted here that the peddlers are the primary lawbreakers. If I only had a nickel for every time I was on one of my motorcycles and had to yell out to a peddler- - -'Hey! you have to obey the same laws and rules of the road as I do.'
Ditto for pedestrians who do the same, you do not have carte blanche to just go your own way. The funniest things I've seen on the road is when two peddlers, going different directions, crash into each other!
@@LoneBrowncoat You are issued a driver license on the condition that you share to road. Failure to do so can mean revocation. Since I said 'if' they run a light the impact is far less, your'e the one posting idiotic dishonest threatening comments here. Rolling stops are legal in some states for bicycles. The law is the law, not what you say it is. Do you laugh at wrong way head on car collisions too? Jackass.
@@LoneBrowncoat Nathan Fillion was one of the first owners of the Arcimoto autocycle. He would not appreciate 'fans' like you.
@@popeyegordon .....I met him at a Con, introduced him to the other reverse three wheel trikes. Including the ZEV LRC-T from West Virginia. It is electric, and it tilts.
It only took you three months to make your quip? What's wrong? Your brain cells only fire at 300 baud dial-up?🙄
America will have to get into some minimal level of physical fitness just to make this a practical option, eh?
Yes it will help with that.
Only for longer rides. The amount of pedaling effort needed to activate the motor assist is variable. The more you use it the stronger you get but this can also be a stationary exercise bike that charges as you use it. Only a model with a thumb throttle will be accepted by lazy people. Pedelec sucks.
That's one of MLM's appeals -- it's an exercise machine that transforms into a mobility machine.
I got a feeling they are going to price it to cause this to be a RUclips video viewed in ten years wondering "what happened'..... Another get rich money grab project that was too expensive to catch on. I hear ALOT of extatic hooeful investors chwering him on 😢
As a new Arcimoto owner and a veteran of 20 years of ebike use I say this will be closer to 4 grand with a few options and it will sell but maybe not in big numbers unless they offer models with the right options like maximum cargo capacity. But all we can see here is a stripped down prototype. If you were following the history of this company you would not accuse them of 'get rich quick' and in fact they are the opposite of that. Teslas embody the wrong stuff - too big, too fast, too overpowered. Status symbols that won't help the environment.
Guessing $5000-$8000. If you look at current upper end ebikes that is what they currently cost.
Why are you wasting time on a tilt bicycle? You need a tilt FUV. BTW the tilt bicycle is already out there and better looking products.
I think it's too early to judge the MLM's design, being a prototype. However, I also would like to have a tilting FUV that's no wider than the mirrors, with TMW's Tilt Lock function that keeps the vehicle upright at a stop.
The FUV design is not compatible with tilting. As an owner I'd have no interest in that. I wanted, and got, a fun utility vehicle capable of carrying me and my cargo in safety.
Definitely need a tilting FUV. If you look at any of the independent reviews a lot of them agree in order to take the FUV to another level.
I don't think we need an agreement here. Gordon I envy you that you get to enjoy the FUV already. If I were you I probably wouldn't care about a tilting model either. However, there are people who would be interested, and I think it'd be financially wasteful to not develop one after spending ~$10mil acquiring TMW. I don't think just the MLM would generate enough profit to make that acquisition worthwhile. I could be wrong but I think having a choice would be good.
@@bluepalomavelomobile8360 Absolutely not. The exact opposite is the case. We definitely do NOT need a tilting FUV for the main level of general utility, rentals, delivery service, postal use, First Responders, pickup models or fire responders. We need them to get the price lower by simplifying the design and that is the stated plan. High end high performance kid's crotch rockets can wait. Twin motor autocycles with a wide front for stability can not be made to tilt. There is no reason for it - the tire traction is already excellent, the design has never been tipped over or rolled yet. A hard turn just pulls you against the 6 point harness.
So tired of the nonsense of Climate change being used. Just build something useful and or fun... trying to compare a Hummer to an electric bike makes it more of a joke instead of what it really could be, a fun toy in urban situations, and possibly trail riding. And i have solar and have owned an Ebike... but, honestly the ebike came as close to taking away some driving but I am not willing to live in town to Ebike... sell it for what it is and leave the politics and flawed "science" out of it, remember the "science" said most of the coast would have been UNDERWATER 2 DECADES AGO...