I was in a 10 car traffic queue doing 20mph on a 60mph road. We were all stuck behind a caravan. Markku Allen appeared out of nowhere behind me in the S4, between stages on the road. There was a few hundred yards of straight, Markku pulled out, hit the accelerator and just flew past the whole traffic queue in a few unbelievable seconds. I have never seen anything accelerate like that in my life, either before or after it happened, way back in 1986. Incredible machines, incredible drivers. The video really does not do them justice. If you were lucky enough to see one in action live, it sticks in your head for as long as you live.
Exactly! I saw one in about 1987 in the Vosges (France, Alsace) - I didn't know first it was a S4 but I was completely flashed of its acceleration up the mountains. It is the most extreme rallycar of all of the Group B cars of the 80'. The original video is here: ruclips.net/video/ViGgVVNrhtI/видео.html
Your take on Delta was pretty much what the drivers have said about it. There's a two part video of Markku Alén driving and talking about Delta, couple years later after that prototype testing. First part: "Markku Alén & Lancia Delta S4 - Part 1 (Teknavi 2017)". Alén and Kankkunen talks about Group B cars: "Juha Kankkunen ja Markku Alén muistelevat hurjia rallin B-ryhmän aikoja (Teknavi 2019)". Henri Toivonen's brother Harri talks about his brother and Delta: "WRC Rally Heroes - Harri Toivonen pays tribute to his brother Henri". An onboard video of Harri driving Delta: "Lancia Delta S4 Harju EK Harri Toivonen". Their father Pauli was also a rally driver: "FLAT OUT (The History of Rally) - Episode 3 - The Forging of Identity". There's cool things on every decade. You got to love the 70s sunglasses and the atmosphere. From Finnish perspective there was also E.g. Jarno Saarinen and Leo Kinnunen. Saarinen is the first and only Finnish driver to have won the motorcycle road racing world championship. He was also the first European rider to win the Daytona 200. Some clips starting with about Jarno's museum kept by his brothers: "Petri Hyrsky Jarno Saarinen", "Jarno Saarinen wins the 1972 250cc Belgium Grand Prix" and "Jarno Saarinen at Daytona 73". Kinnunen won the Interserie between 1971-1973, and helped Porsche to take the World Sportscar Championship for manufacturers in 1970. Mr. Cool himself, Steve McQueen, asked Kinnunen to drive in the film Le Mans, which he couldn't. Kinnunen also went down in history for being the last driver to compete in F1 using an open-face helmet: "INTERSERIE HOCKENHEIM 1971", "Interserie at Keimola (1972)" and "Le Mans (1971) ORIGINAL TRAILER [HD 1080p]".
That car was a 1.8L supercharger and turbocharged that as normal output was 500hp. In a video regarding that car the rally driver Toivonen said “that car is so fast that my brain can’t keep up with it” or “I’m scared of keeping the foot down to make it slide than I realized I have to drive it like I’m on rail tracks”
Markku Alén, who drove the Delta in rallies for three years, used to say about this car: "If the tires hold up I win the race, if the tires don't hold up I end up like a bomb against a mountain." because it was really wild to drive it in a rally
I´m one of the lucky ones as I rode in the Delta S4 driven by Markku Alén on October 29, 1985! The Algarve Rally (31 Oct to 2 Nov 1985) which I believe was the first test in competition. Two days earlier, at an event promoted by Martini at the Belenenses clay footbal/soccer field, several tickets were drawn, and my number 43 was one of them! The Delta S4 was an absolute beast! I will never forget, not only the physical sensations and sounds, as well as the delighted face of Alén laughing at me, as I had a smile from ear to ear. One of the photographs of that event was later autographed by Alén days before the fateful Rally de Portugal 1986, in which several people died and which meant the beginning of the death of group B. Unfortunately, many people were, and still are, completely unaware of the dangers of watching car racing on open roads.
I think it was after corsica rally 86 where Henri Toivonen died and he was Lancia driver. That was reason that they stop that b series. At least what I know.
Driver is Markku Alen, aka "Mr. Maximum Attack"... Fun fact: he held record for most stage wins (853 total) and still all time 2nd, only Sebastien Loeb has beaten Alens record.
The Delta S4 was a feral rally car,she was a 4wd car powered by a volumetric compressor coupled to a turbo capable of producing 530 hp out of a 1.7 liters four cylinders engine.they raced in the B group ,but this monster was untameable, she was a brutal animal thirsty of blood,and she took the lives of Toiwonen and Cresto in 86 .The previous year another Group B beast,the Lancia 037 took the life of Attilio Bettega.Toiwonen and Cresto death signed the end of the brutal Bgroup monsters and the Lancia Delta S4 faded away in the sunset of rally records.
Here are some interesting (?) facts about the car: 1)Markku Alen, the driver we in this video, was not too happy with the twincharger. He wanted to replace it with bi-turbo. 2)This prototype car was crashed in these tests. So it does not exist anymore. 3) Team Lancia was unable to synchronize the charger system. So they asked help from Ferrari F-1 team, who were able to do it. 4) For rally Finland the car accelerated to 100 km/h in 2.5 seconds and reached 200 km/h after about 250 meters.
This was supercharged and turbo-charged the system was called tri-flux and it was the most powerful & innovative propulsion system at that time.. Superchargers do not suffer from lag as they are powered directly from the engine's crankshaft, rather than by the exhaust gases. However, because of this direct mechanical connection, the supercharger presents a significant parasitic load to the engine at higher engine speeds. Lancia engineers designed their system so the supercharger provides instantaneous boost in the lower range, switching to the turbocharger for more efficient operation at higher engine speeds.. Sources claim that the engine was capable of generating well above 500 PS (368 kW; 493 hp), according to M. Allen in early development phase 1985, when Lancia engineers tested S4 engine under extreme conditions in all prototypes, it was set developed maximum 1,000 PS (735 kW; 986 hp) at 5 bars of boost pressure that was unhear of for that time it was the first vehicle claiming such stats. At 2:28-2:29 he responded after testing that it was a very scarry thing to drive..
@@poplaurentiu4148 the s4 didnt have the triflux head...the ecv did have it...triflux was having the inlet in the middle of the head and 2 exhaust sides left and right on the head
@@icsunonova This black S4 we see in the images is a prototype car, this along with other 2 (prototypes) are the testing beds for all S4 propulsions systems they have worked on, one of them had the tri-flux system installed in prototype testing phase Miki Biasion mentioned into an interview so it might be not the case of this particular S4 in the images but one such prototype had it prior to be installed in the ECV1 or ECV2..
That car was a real menace to its drivers, Miki Biason (who was an official driver) said that the only one that could push it to the limit was Toivonen
I wonder who is their social media manager because they're approaching 80 of age and are more active on Instagram than my ex. I say them bc I follow Biasion (has a secon I, biasIon. From Bassano del Grappa, 50 km from here) but started to follow Evel Knievel and many other grandpas of the golden era of motorsports and daaamn, they still rock hard on socials. Miki Biasion still drives at many motorsport shows and duuude, he doesn't actually drive too fast, he still flies too low.@@patrickwhite1826
Walter said to Henry "listen, maybe we all are way too fast, but you definstely risking too much. Sooner or later you will run out of luck"...unfortunately Walter was right.
Countach is kinda hard to drive because of the heavy steering and clutch. But as soon as you get along it is pretty good and gives you all the raw experience which you don‘t get in any modern car. The look was the top of all time anyway
Respect from Sweden. Childhood memories for sure. Born in 82. Time sure flies . All those rallies my father and a uncle(from moms side)took me on. Opel Manta 400 / early Escort's and such. The dumpvalve wizzle and that special 5cyl sound from the Audi Quattros. "D guud'Ol days" Tale care bud.
Quando gli italiani erano grandi, ora non ci hanno lasciato più nulla, solo il ricordo di quei tempi gloriosi. 😢, mi viene tanta nostalgia e rabbia per come ci stanno riducendo, quella era una delle più grandi passioni del mio popolo.
I came to see the b-group Finnish rallies (the fastest gravel rally in the world) with my father, well, there were really scary rally cars, just the sounds and then we drove special tests in the dark.
My grandfather used to rally in his Fulvia (my mother was his co-driver), which is probably where my eventual love for Lancia in general came from - his garage was packed with various car parts, posters, books, models etc. Also the first car poster I ever had was of an S4. Second one was a Lotus Esprit though, as seen in James Bond.
In terms of the drivability of the Countach , I recommend looking at some of Ian Tyrells RUclips channel. He restores all sorts of exotic classic cars but has had quite a few Countach on his channel. He says the reason most people say they don't drive well is because most have not been messed around with so much of the years that they're no longer set up correctly. He admits it's still a handful to drive but most peoples bad experiences with them is down simply to poor set up. Great Video on the S4 by the way
That footage seriously looks like it's played at 2x speed, insane. And that is only the speed and terror from the early testing phase, how much they still developed and refined it from there.
I couldn't find any test / racing video about it but you should check Lancia ECV2, the never released successor of Group B Delta S4. 4l central/rear, longitudinal, DOHC, twin turbo Triflux, 1759 cm³ engine 600 HP @ 8.000 rpm 910 Kg An absoiute beast.
Almost the same team some years after built another legendary car, the Alfa 155 V6 TI DTM, what a beast, you should react to it! It makes the best engine sound ever made by a V6! 12000 rpm
For who doesn't understand Italian This car was so balanced that they tray different adjustments and the pilot said before too much oversteer and after a little bit of understeer😅
I had also Countach on my wall.The black one.I also had two special posters.First was Peugeot 405 t16 from Pikes peak with dedication of Ari Vatanen,second was Lancia Delta HF Integrale gr.A with autograph of Massimo "Miki" Biasson.I also had poster of Fiat Cinquecento with full equipmemt of Trofeo Abarth gr.A.This car was my teenage dream to start rallying.
Some great footage of a S4 being driven hard, can be found on a RUclips bit Chris Harris did on a Pirelli tyre launch 11 years ago! They got some total Legends (Markku Alen, Juha Kankkunen and more) driving down some sketchy Italian mountain road stages in some similarly legendary cars. The look on Harris's face at times is wonderful to behold. I'd provide a direct link but you know, youtube....
Hi I watched a rallycross event in Mondello out side Dublin, A Scandinavion driver had a S4 Lancia it had over 700 HP it was the quickest thing I had ever seen.In the grand final he finished 4 laps every one else was on there third lap.
I like how you enjoy this. The sound goes mostly out of of the strait geared gearbox. If you ever want to drive something that comes near to that Lancia, serach for a 'Fiat Uno 2,0 16V Turbo'. You know what i mean if you hit the pedal the 1st time.
Great video Ian! The Delta S4 is still very much scary, even after forty years! I recommend you to react to a guy from Switzerland, called Bruno Ianniello, who races a modified S4 in European Hillclimb Championship. That thing is even scarier that the original one! Greetings from 🇮🇹
Alen said he couldnt drive S 4 on its full speed he was afraid of it, nor did Miki Biasion. Alen said only one who could, was Henkka.( Henri Toivonen )
The double whine of the overcharger and the turbo is amazing to hear. To think there was a street legal version of this car with about 2/3ds of the HP.....
I went to work the other night & out the front of the store was a Lancia S4. OMFG really clean & tidy, when he started it up, nasty stuff happened to me. Absolutely coolest car I have seen in a long time. Yer, I've see Porsche, Ferraris & supped up Audis, but the Lancia hands down was the coolest car of the lot.
The evolution of the S4 was for a group C class that never saw the light of day due to the demise of group B, I recommend finding on here the Lancia Group C prototype known as ECV, Experimental, Composite , Vehicle.......basic trim 860bhp, imagine an S4 on steroids then you'll be about half way there....
I saw a video about the development of this car. Safety was secondary (thin roll cages, fuel tanks right under the seats) to weight. They were brutality fast but definitely played a hand in finishing group B
One of them did a 9.9 sec 1/4 mile time a couple of years back. Also, Allen's Olympus rally winning car ( last GRP B rally) was rumored to be around 700 HP.
I'm am Ford Audi man,but this car is very quick,but quicker Lancia S4 was in the European rallycross 80's,saw RS 200's Quattro's Lancia at Brands hatch and at Lydden hill,those machines were peak back then even Porsche were left behind,unbelievable.
this car was totally insane. It's not twin-charged but supercharged and turbocharged all at once Lancia in the 80's: "we need power. We'll put a turbo. We have a lack of power at low rpm. We'll add a supercharger. The car needs to be light. We'll use masively carbon fiber and kevlar to keep the weight under a ton" i don't know what sort of substance they used at this time in Italy but it brought strange results
@@houseking9211 Ok, but when I hear:"twincharged" I hear "twin turbochargers", that's why I prefer when people precise that the car is supercharged and turbocharged (that's slightly different) and it sounds insane to precise supercharged and turbocharged all at once because, which car needs a turbocharger when it's already equipped with a supercharger and which car needs a supercharger when it's already equipped with a turbocharger Twincharged... Ok, they put 2 turbos... Supercharged and turbocharged... What???? but???why???
@@DanVibesTV twin turbo ,twin charged or bi-turbo.....brands say what they want when they speak about these systems (for example with diesels : dci hdi and cdi are strictely the same technology but used by 3 different brands so, named differently). twin charged doen't mean anything for me (it's impossible to translate it in my language) because it can refers to 2 superchargers or 2 turbochargers and some use small turbos to charge big turbos to compensate turbo lag... supercharged+ turbocharged= everybody understand that ingeniors are crazy twin-charged = turbos can be brothers? these denominations can vary from one brand to another
That's not the "mazinga" 037, but a 4wheel drive prototype of the S4. The turbo 037 was undrivable, with the rear wheel drive only. PS: The right pronunciation of "countach" is with the two last letters like the C of the word cheese, not "cuntash", but "cuntaC". Cheers from Italy! 😉
The Delta S4 is way up on my List, Not the top, but certainly a top 10. It never really got to show it's true potential as the plug was pulled before they could really start to tweak and iron out the wrinkles
THIS is exactly what legendary Markku Alen himself (1st man who drove this prototype here and almost all another runs here in this video !) said about this car (like you said by yourself) when some interviewer asked him how he feels about this Group B machine and did he understood this car at 100%. He replied "I respect this car". Not "love it" , not "like it", but "I respect this car". And he personally admitted that he had full control of this beast only at gravel roads, but he did not fully controlled it at asphalt stages, it was too much scary and ferocious. Lancia 037 has been like a glove for him, but S4 had totally different story. BUT Markku Alen was a main test pilot for Lancia team back then and he tested it full time! BUT only Henri Toivonen understood this beast machine at 100% even when Henri admitted that it melted his brain because of scary speeds. p.s. (Unfortunately mechanical malfuntions and Lancia team management led to tragic end..) P.P.S. Also, this prototype was so light (less than 900 kg! ) that whole car structure had cracks after multiple testing and Lancia had to reinforce whole body and chassis structures. Because car just tore itself by the power and G's overloading into corners. Additional welding and renforcements gained overall weight with 50-60 kg, but sometimes even that was not enough (for extreme long African rallies, for example). But at least it stopped tore itself at track corners.
Twin charging has such great potential. In the late 80's I passed my Class 1 HGV (semi truck in U.S.) licence. Was given a Leyland Cruiser 11L turbo diesel producing 230 bhp, to work with. My now boat is a 1993 cruiser with a Volvo 6 cyl twin charged 3.6L, yes 230 bhp.
Sounds chaotic is the best description for the entire Lancia rally program. And is pretty much the best description for it. But boy, did they make some firecrackers back in the day on shoestring budgets.
that was my comment!; the skrapstr one. i didnt think anyone would do anything with it. thanks for noticing it, although i probably should have gone into more detail. yes, that silver-backed lancia was the "mazinga". it is crazy to even think they considered rwd on a car with this much power, but then again, it was group b. i think, (based on your reaction to the s4 prototype), you would love looking at group s prototypes. group s was the type of rallying that was meant to replace group b, and it is also quite crazy in terms of the car's looks and power. many of the brands that competed in group b made prototypes for group s, including audi, peugeot, toyota, lancia, and more. also, yes, i can confirm it is me. ive just been through a name change. :)
A friend of mine (actually a client, I took many pictures of his cars) has a black Countach 5000 Quattrovalvole, cream interior, autographed by Marcello Gandini (designer) and Valentino Balboni (tester). After taking pictures he drove me for a small ride... Awesome and unforgettable experience. Sounded glorious.
The car was painted in olive green to disguise it as some sort of new military wehicle, the engine 1,8L konpressor&turbo induction was cappable of 1000 HP on the test bed
Those images were taken from a test on the private Fiat La Mandria track (I drove there in 2003 as a tester for some vehicles) before getting the first victory in the 1985 Rac Rally. You can see Claudio Lombardi (project manager), Giorgio Pianta chief test driver and technical consultant of the Lancia Martini Racing Team (only 5 years later he became Team Principal of Alfa Romeo Corse in the Dtm Championship) some mechanics of Lancia Martini (all of them were considered magician in their job) and the legend of rally Marku Alen. Some of the main technical and peculiar characteristics of the S4 (S=Supercharged, 4= for 4-wheel drive): - engine of only 1750 cc (1.7 liters) equipped with 2 air supply compressors (Abarth volumetric compressor that works from 0 to approximately 2000 rpm and a KKK turbocharger from 2000 to max rpm). - Chassis and passenger compartment made with a Ni-Cr tubular structure - Special and advanced transmission gearbox (called in italian "innesti frontali" I can't translate it in english sorry) which allowed the gear shift without using the clutch, reducing time wasted during gear changes, 2 adjustable self-locking differentials (basic traction distribution was 45% front and 55% rear). With an engine that developed a maximum power of 550 HP and a total weight of 950 Kg, you can imagine the performance the car can do (the race version had incredible performances like an acceleration from 0 to 100Km/h in 1,9 - 2,2 seconds). Safety problems emerged in the first serious crash in which Toivonen and Cresto died when the car exploded following a rollover. Explosion caused by the proximity (they were all like this...) of the incandescent turbo to the fuel system and tank and poor resistance of the chassis to high speed impacts.
So true…… I just want to add one little thing to your detailed comment. That damned SKIDPLATE, taken off from Lancia for asphalt rally just to save a few kilograms…….. and we lost Henkka and Sergio forever.
Ari Vatennen (excuse the spelling) had a pretty serious accident in a 205 T16 he was very fortunate not to die in. Then Toivonen and Sergio Cresto weren't so fortunate. Then there was Portugal 1986 where an RS200 crashed killing several spectators. The FIA had seen enough. These cars were simply to fast to race. There is a video on these cars with the same title. Worth watching.
Everyone is forgetting about the proposed next stage that never happened. The fully developed Lancia ECV & ECV2 prototypes. For the abandoned Group S, scheduled for 88?
Of course we have to remember the manufacturers had to produce at least 500 road versions of these group B cars for homologation purposes, the rally versions could be counted within these 500 so rarely were there 500 purely Road versions.
200, you're perhaps remembering Group A which required 5000 units to be built, but since homologation procedures could be initiated with just 10% of the vehicles already finished, the minimum quantity before getting homologation was 500 units for Group A (and, yes, only 20 for Group B).
yeah those cars were a joke, fucking undrivable and so flimsy that the whole chassis flexed a lot, people even got stuck inside the car because the doors didn't open. Still it was the golden era of motorsport, rules were just crazy in those times, like the Group C and the GT1 regulations, absolute madness
From someone thats been watching your YT content from almost the start im very happy to have seen it grow like it did. Also i want to share with you a YT channel that has some amazing content, its called Robbert Alblas, its got some rallying and especially some oldschool GT racing like with the old GT1's or GT40 racing, including full races, its really impressive. Again congrats and keep up the good work.
You're right, it was the best area. I'm French, so naturally my favourite Group B car is the Peugeot 205 T16. I fell in love with it when Ari Vatanen blew it up at the Rallye of thousand Lakes in Sweden.
Other test pilot and race driver was Markku Alen. Markku gives more exact details and drove this car few years ago for Finnish TV show. Great footage 10/10. Markku drives also other old race cars he used to race in this TV serie like 037 and Stratos. English subs available. ruclips.net/video/ri9RHi7tx4Q/видео.htmlsi=WqRKEAccOkfAGMpx
When i think "most amazing rally cars" Lancia takes the #1 and #2 spot on the list, namely this one, the Delta (which everyone wanted to have), and the gorgeous legendary Stratos.
Peugeot had a bad-ass, sinister all wheel drive car, turbo and super charged, that won several Rally Championships. Beating the Audi all wheel drive and dancing around the Rallies with the Lancias. Group B was truly insane! In the Rally of Portugal a driver lost control, plowing into the sepectators -- 36 killed, 43 injured. A couple of months later, during the Rally of Italy, the Champion driving a Lancia lost control in a really mean turn. Both the driver and Navigator were killed. Group B, aplready highly contested, didn't survive after the accidents in Portugal and Italy. Obviously, Group B machines didn't forgive any small mistake -- only the super-drivers got to race them. And yet, even Rally demi-gods were going to make small mistakes, with gigantic , tragic consequences
I'm Italian. Great video and thanks so much for post it. Appreciated 100%. Martini Lancia Delta Rally S4 in those days was a national pride of successes and innovations in all the way, putting the opponents Audi and Peugeot in serious difficulty. Respect for you and have a great day! 👍👋
European Motorsport back then was just about how fast one could go, both in F1 and rally. Safety was not an issue at all. Putting a 650 HP lightweight monstre on gravel, dirt or snow wasn't the wisest thing to do but they just didn't care, they only had one thing in mind: we have to win races, we have to go faster. Occasional events like serious injuries or deaths were just considered part of the job, acceptable risks of the trade. Period. Today only TT has kept such mindset.
I was born in 2001 and I have a countach poster as well but mine has a metal frame that matches the colour lettering in the poster and the frame has glass so it’s not cheap plastic not sure it is original or not but it’s was in the frame before I was born
Back in the days Formula One used to have qualifying engines (basically one shot and done) which they swapped out for the race. Lancia took one to Monza for tarmac testing, so they were running it in exactly the same trim they planned to rally, so co-driver, spare tyre, jack, spares and some tools and it was still lapping fast enough to qualify for the second row which means it was actually quick enough to win a F1 race.
Hello, is only 1.750cc, turbo and charged. From 900rpm to 3500rpm is only charged with 350hp, more or less, from 3500rpm to 6000rpm close the charger and open the turbo with 660hp. With this air sistem you remove the turbo lag caused from the big turbo used in 84. But you no exist one Delta S4 covered in a garage, ready for the rally, with only 30km maked?
I always loved shots like this, seeing how much has changed in some places! Also, other teams had similar changed concepts later on, like the mid-engined Quattro. Or the even faster Groupe S category, which was never launched, yet all the cars are finished and still running today, although most are in museums, but the Audi Quattro 002 is a regular at the Goodwood festival..700 bhp!
my stepdad had audi quattro group b R26 or number 26 built, each car had all its parts numbered so they knew what belonged to which car. i got a ride in it before he sold it as it was getting hella expensive to finish restoring it , also his dream of driving it at a classic rally was dashed when told it was still banned. but mostly it was the cost. he got everything except the engine and that would have required it being sent back to audi and would have cost a bomb to be rebuilt. now i believe it sits in a private museum in germany.
That generation of race cars has everything today's race cars are missing. It's pure mechanics, no electronics. A dancer on the pedals and no computer anywhere. These machines are raw, they have their own will, their own soul. The driver must respect them, feel their needs and tame them carefully or they will kill him. We need a new race class like that. No electronics at all, all mechanic, an easy to check displacement limit of reasonable size, only standard quality fuel, no injection of NOS or whatever crap, no other limits.
Literally my favourite car of all time. I was stood next to a forest stage at the 1986 RAC rally, and the sound of the S4 at full chat will stay with me forever. Even so, standing behind a metro 6R4 when it starts up is the best sound I've ever heard. The Delta though, was a masterpiece. Watch this... ruclips.net/video/mSJoq6mTSQM/видео.htmlsi=9ulffHLdtnomKTkL
I did have a Countach poster but I never liked it, it was a present. I love the original prototype Countach, in yellow, with the louvres for air intakes. It lost it's clean, pure lines because of cooling issue and the wings and wheel arches kept making it worse. My taste developped rapidly in those days, especially under the influence of a book with concepts by Guigiaro, Pininfarina, Bertone and Ghia. So I would get a book about Ferrari as a birthday or St.Nick gift when already my interest had shifted to Maserati and Lamborghini. My uncle got it right though, we didn't speak that often so he had to go by his own taste and brought me a poster, framed with glass, of a Mercedes 300SL roaster. The 80's is an interesting decade and the decade of my teens, but during that I grew very fond of the clean edgy 70's designs, starting in the late 60's, and the 50's with Vignale, Allemano, Frua, Ghia the last coachbuilders with their mad ideas. Even Pininfarina went totally bonkers with a Maserati back then, and Pegaso cars from Spain deserves a mention too. I also love the Art deco era, in both the USA and Europe, Cord 812, Auburn, Hispano-Suiza, coach builders for Talbot and Delahaye like Figoni e Falaschi, Saoutchik, the Buccali V12 front wheel drive for example.
You can still get a Delta integrale that runs like a beast but reliable. Somewhere in Netherlands is the place they rebuild them. And for la modica cifra di qualche centinaio di migliaia di euro te la puoi godere.
There was also the Lancia Delta ECV which was the evolution of the S4 but never participated in the races and remained a prototype version, the engine was always a 1750 cc 4-cylinder that in road configuration could reach even 900 horsepower with a triflux head the latter had crossed intake and exhaust valves to better cool at high powers.
Lancia Stratos and Delta 🤌🏼 Have an RC Delta I live out my childhood rally dreams with. There’s probably more 16v intergrale cylinder heads on Rigoli race engines than complete cars in Australia!
Wow, i am in paradise..from this amazing video to people's comments sharing their childhood memories with rallies, someone's mother or father played in rally getting aboard in some exceptional machines like Metro, Manta, Delta and so....wow..these comments are very entertaining...i am gonna screen record all these amazing experiences shared by people...
Great car as was the 037, Group B was awesome and I was lucky enough to actually watch them live before the ban. But check out the MG 6R4 Metro, built on a shoestring budget by Williams for Austin Rover with a none turbo 6 cylinder which was basically popped midship inside a 11 foot shopping car. In fact you should have look at all Group B cars, they were all nuts!!!!
I had three car posters: Jaguar XJ220, Ferrari F40 and Lambourgini Diablo. I was fortunate in growing up in the early 90s, an era with some truly stunning supercars.
I think it was designed to compete with the Peugeot 205 and Ford RS200, with all respect to Audi's quattro innovation, it was relatively understeered with the engine up front and up front that much. Peugeot and Ford already went mid-engined, to have a competitive edge on that, Lancia campe up with the volumex-turbo combination to cover 2 rev ranges and have a really big turbo. I think through a cross flow engine but I'm not sure. They even worked on a 800hp successor in the triflux engine, that was with twin turbo's but would steer all the exhaust gases to one turbo to spin that up first. I loved the S4, I just wanted Lancia to win but also because of it's total madness and the odd combination of a little tight, clean elegant design on disproportioned purely functional monster.
I saw a Lancia Delta (not S4) rallying in person once and my friend described the sound as mincing squirrels in the front and then firing them out the back!
okay, okay, I know! It had a Lancia badge on the front but the chassis, cylinder head, and the exhaust system - including the twin chargers and how to get that working with the supercharger - were all pure Abarth! I think that the Baldi brothers (Elio and Giovani, both Abarth technicians) had a lot of input, but the designer Serge Limone had an input too. Try and have look at the cylinder heads on a good shot of the S4 and you will see clearly the ABARTH lettering on the heads!
As a young kid it was a Jaguar XJ13 up on my wall and a few models as a teen that became a hemi dart. Sadly I can build one but never own an original last one I see change hands publicly (going back to my early 30's) was 1.8mil then hate to see what they go for today considering there were only 80 built.
I was in a 10 car traffic queue doing 20mph on a 60mph road. We were all stuck behind a caravan. Markku Allen appeared out of nowhere behind me in the S4, between stages on the road. There was a few hundred yards of straight, Markku pulled out, hit the accelerator and just flew past the whole traffic queue in a few unbelievable seconds. I have never seen anything accelerate like that in my life, either before or after it happened, way back in 1986. Incredible machines, incredible drivers. The video really does not do them justice. If you were lucky enough to see one in action live, it sticks in your head for as long as you live.
Exactly! I saw one in about 1987 in the Vosges (France, Alsace) - I didn't know first it was a S4 but I was completely flashed of its acceleration up the mountains. It is the most extreme rallycar of all of the Group B cars of the 80'. The original video is here: ruclips.net/video/ViGgVVNrhtI/видео.html
That description of that experience is truly epic 🎉 Gives me chills thinking about it.. what a machine that car is
Exactly. I have seen them in action several times at Rallylegend in San Marino. No one has built a more fantastic rally machine.
En Portugal hicieron una prueba en el circuito de Estoril, y el coche hizo tiempos para clasificarse en la F1.
ahh yes, the 0-60mph in 2.5 sec in gravel car. As a fellow Lancia driver, this is a BEAST. This single car banned a whole rally category.
What kind of Lancia do you got? 😊
Sitting on fuel tanks was what got Group B banned really.
Modern Lancias suck.
@@eins2001 Modern everything sucks. I miss donkeys.
@@frantzomg a '94 2nd Gen Delta
Your take on Delta was pretty much what the drivers have said about it. There's a two part video of Markku Alén driving and talking about Delta, couple years later after that prototype testing. First part: "Markku Alén & Lancia Delta S4 - Part 1 (Teknavi 2017)". Alén and Kankkunen talks about Group B cars: "Juha Kankkunen ja Markku Alén muistelevat hurjia rallin B-ryhmän aikoja (Teknavi 2019)". Henri Toivonen's brother Harri talks about his brother and Delta: "WRC Rally Heroes - Harri Toivonen pays tribute to his brother Henri". An onboard video of Harri driving Delta: "Lancia Delta S4 Harju EK Harri Toivonen". Their father Pauli was also a rally driver: "FLAT OUT (The History of Rally) - Episode 3 - The Forging of Identity". There's cool things on every decade. You got to love the 70s sunglasses and the atmosphere. From Finnish perspective there was also E.g. Jarno Saarinen and Leo Kinnunen. Saarinen is the first and only Finnish driver to have won the motorcycle road racing world championship. He was also the first European rider to win the Daytona 200. Some clips starting with about Jarno's museum kept by his brothers: "Petri Hyrsky Jarno Saarinen", "Jarno Saarinen wins the 1972 250cc Belgium Grand Prix" and "Jarno Saarinen at Daytona 73". Kinnunen won the Interserie between 1971-1973, and helped Porsche to take the World Sportscar Championship for manufacturers in 1970. Mr. Cool himself, Steve McQueen, asked Kinnunen to drive in the film Le Mans, which he couldn't. Kinnunen also went down in history for being the last driver to compete in F1 using an open-face helmet: "INTERSERIE HOCKENHEIM 1971", "Interserie at Keimola (1972)" and "Le Mans (1971) ORIGINAL TRAILER [HD 1080p]".
That car was a 1.8L supercharger and turbocharged that as normal output was 500hp. In a video regarding that car the rally driver Toivonen said “that car is so fast that my brain can’t keep up with it” or “I’m scared of keeping the foot down to make it slide than I realized I have to drive it like I’m on rail tracks”
Yikes! What an amazing but truly scary car
It was Henry's last interwiev, he died after that in corsica.
cilindrata 1750 triflux 450 hp sterrato e 550 hp su strada
@@IWrocker abarth said they can run it well over 1000 HP, it was a 1750 cc
:) it is straight from hell
Lancia was the best car builder ever existed.
Markku Alén, who drove the Delta in rallies for three years, used to say about this car: "If the tires hold up I win the race, if the tires don't hold up I end up like a bomb against a mountain." because it was really wild to drive it in a rally
I´m one of the lucky ones as I rode in the Delta S4 driven by Markku Alén on October 29, 1985!
The Algarve Rally (31 Oct to 2 Nov 1985) which I believe was the first test in competition. Two days earlier, at an event promoted by Martini at the Belenenses clay footbal/soccer field, several tickets were drawn, and my number 43 was one of them!
The Delta S4 was an absolute beast! I will never forget, not only the physical sensations and sounds, as well as the delighted face of Alén laughing at me, as I had a smile from ear to ear.
One of the photographs of that event was later autographed by Alén days before the fateful Rally de Portugal 1986, in which several people died and which meant the beginning of the death of group B.
Unfortunately, many people were, and still are, completely unaware of the dangers of watching car racing on open roads.
I think it was after corsica rally 86 where Henri Toivonen died and he was Lancia driver. That was reason that they stop that b series. At least what I know.
This and the Alfa Romeo 155TI DTM was the most absolute scary beasts ever built.
Being Italian myself, this video just puts a smile on my face
Driver is Markku Alen, aka "Mr. Maximum Attack"... Fun fact: he held record for most stage wins (853 total) and still all time 2nd, only Sebastien Loeb has beaten Alens record.
The Delta S4 was a feral rally car,she was a 4wd car powered by a volumetric compressor coupled to a turbo capable of producing 530 hp out of a 1.7 liters four cylinders engine.they raced in the B group ,but this monster was untameable, she was a brutal animal thirsty of blood,and she took the lives of Toiwonen and Cresto in 86 .The previous year another Group B beast,the Lancia 037 took the life of Attilio Bettega.Toiwonen and Cresto death signed the end of the brutal Bgroup monsters and the Lancia Delta S4 faded away in the sunset of rally records.
Here are some interesting (?) facts about the car:
1)Markku Alen, the driver we in this video, was not too happy with the twincharger. He wanted to replace it with bi-turbo.
2)This prototype car was crashed in these tests. So it does not exist anymore.
3) Team Lancia was unable to synchronize the charger system. So they asked help from Ferrari F-1 team, who were able to do it.
4) For rally Finland the car accelerated to 100 km/h in 2.5 seconds and reached 200 km/h after about 250 meters.
Those twin charged engines were certainly unique and made a special kind of mechanical symphony. Lancia were innovators in those days.
This was supercharged and turbo-charged the system was called tri-flux and it was the most powerful & innovative propulsion system at that time.. Superchargers do not suffer from lag as they are powered directly from the engine's crankshaft, rather than by the exhaust gases. However, because of this direct mechanical connection, the supercharger presents a significant parasitic load to the engine at higher engine speeds. Lancia engineers designed their system so the supercharger provides instantaneous boost in the lower range, switching to the turbocharger for more efficient operation at higher engine speeds.. Sources claim that the engine was capable of generating well above 500 PS (368 kW; 493 hp), according to M. Allen in early development phase 1985, when Lancia engineers tested S4 engine under extreme conditions in all prototypes, it was set developed maximum 1,000 PS (735 kW; 986 hp) at 5 bars of boost pressure that was unhear of for that time it was the first vehicle claiming such stats. At 2:28-2:29 he responded after testing that it was a very scarry thing to drive..
@@poplaurentiu4148as far as I know it was the first car with that set up. But ww2 aircraft using it well well back is a different matter.
@@poplaurentiu4148 the s4 didnt have the triflux head...the ecv did have it...triflux was having the inlet in the middle of the head and 2 exhaust sides left and right on the head
@@icsunonova This black S4 we see in the images is a prototype car, this along with other 2 (prototypes) are the testing beds for all S4 propulsions systems they have worked on, one of them had the tri-flux system installed in prototype testing phase Miki Biasion mentioned into an interview so it might be not the case of this particular S4 in the images but one such prototype had it prior to be installed in the ECV1 or ECV2..
@@poplaurentiu4148Crap. Triflux didn't appear until 1986. The video shows a test from early 1985!
That car was a real menace to its drivers, Miki Biason (who was an official driver) said that the only one that could push it to the limit was Toivonen
It was too fast. Certainly for Corsica. And we lost Henri because of it.
I wonder who is their social media manager because they're approaching 80 of age and are more active on Instagram than my ex.
I say them bc I follow Biasion (has a secon I, biasIon. From Bassano del Grappa, 50 km from here) but started to follow Evel Knievel and many other grandpas of the golden era of motorsports and daaamn, they still rock hard on socials.
Miki Biasion still drives at many motorsport shows and duuude, he doesn't actually drive too fast, he still flies too low.@@patrickwhite1826
Walter said to Henry "listen, maybe we all are way too fast, but you definstely risking too much. Sooner or later you will run out of luck"...unfortunately Walter was right.
Countach is kinda hard to drive because of the heavy steering and clutch. But as soon as you get along it is pretty good and gives you all the raw experience which you don‘t get in any modern car. The look was the top of all time anyway
Search out some of the more recent Bruno Ianiello hill climb builds. they were throwing out up to 750HP IIRC. They sound unreal.
Or Per Eklunds Saab 9-3, which he drove in Pikes Peak.
Respect from Sweden.
Childhood memories for sure. Born in 82. Time sure flies .
All those rallies my father and a uncle(from moms side)took me on.
Opel Manta 400 / early Escort's and such. The dumpvalve wizzle and that special 5cyl sound from the Audi Quattros.
"D guud'Ol days"
Tale care bud.
Born also in 82. Same feelings, same memories mate.. greetings from Greece
Quando gli italiani erano grandi, ora non ci hanno lasciato più nulla, solo il ricordo di quei tempi gloriosi. 😢, mi viene tanta nostalgia e rabbia per come ci stanno riducendo, quella era una delle più grandi passioni del mio popolo.
Ormai siamo in estinzione
I came to see the b-group Finnish rallies (the fastest gravel rally in the world) with my father, well, there were really scary rally cars, just the sounds and then we drove special tests in the dark.
My grandfather used to rally in his Fulvia (my mother was his co-driver), which is probably where my eventual love for Lancia in general came from - his garage was packed with various car parts, posters, books, models etc.
Also the first car poster I ever had was of an S4. Second one was a Lotus Esprit though, as seen in James Bond.
Who wouldn't want a white Lotus Esprit S1? 🙂
In terms of the drivability of the Countach , I recommend looking at some of Ian Tyrells RUclips channel. He restores all sorts of exotic classic cars but has had quite a few Countach on his channel. He says the reason most people say they don't drive well is because most have not been messed around with so much of the years that they're no longer set up correctly. He admits it's still a handful to drive but most peoples bad experiences with them is down simply to poor set up. Great Video on the S4 by the way
That footage seriously looks like it's played at 2x speed, insane. And that is only the speed and terror from the early testing phase, how much they still developed and refined it from there.
I couldn't find any test / racing video about it but you should check Lancia ECV2, the never released successor of Group B Delta S4.
4l central/rear, longitudinal, DOHC, twin turbo Triflux, 1759 cm³ engine
600 HP @ 8.000 rpm
910 Kg
An absoiute beast.
Delta Hf Integrale, S4, 037, auto che hanno fatto la storia dell'Italia nel mondo dei rally e che non rivedremo mai più 😥😥
Almost the same team some years after built another legendary car, the Alfa 155 V6 TI DTM, what a beast, you should react to it! It makes the best engine sound ever made by a V6! 12000 rpm
The absolute best times in motorsports!! It was all about speed… safety second…. The drivers racing these cars are heroes. A lot of emotions…..
Cars were amazing, but the "safety second" (safety was thpically last) is not something to celebrate. FAR too many unneeded deaths.
For who doesn't understand Italian
This car was so balanced that they tray different adjustments and the pilot said before too much oversteer and after a little bit of understeer😅
I had also Countach on my wall.The black one.I also had two special posters.First was Peugeot 405 t16 from Pikes peak with dedication of Ari Vatanen,second was Lancia Delta HF Integrale gr.A with autograph of Massimo "Miki" Biasson.I also had poster of Fiat Cinquecento with full equipmemt of Trofeo Abarth gr.A.This car was my teenage dream to start rallying.
Great video as always. And what a sound that Lancia Delta makes , I love it.
Some great footage of a S4 being driven hard, can be found on a RUclips bit Chris Harris did on a Pirelli tyre launch 11 years ago! They got some total Legends (Markku Alen, Juha Kankkunen and more) driving down some sketchy Italian mountain road stages in some similarly legendary cars. The look on Harris's face at times is wonderful to behold.
I'd provide a direct link but you know, youtube....
Hi I watched a rallycross event in Mondello out side Dublin, A Scandinavion driver had a S4 Lancia it had over 700 HP it was the quickest thing I had ever seen.In the grand final he finished 4 laps every one else was on there third lap.
Thanks for finding this, I'm a huge Lancia fan having owned 5 and driven most 80's models.
It is so good! I watched it years a go and i was hooked! Cool to see your reaction! Well done!
I like how you enjoy this. The sound goes mostly out of of the strait geared gearbox. If you ever want to drive something that comes near to that Lancia, serach for a 'Fiat Uno 2,0 16V Turbo'. You know what i mean if you hit the pedal the 1st time.
I saw it in Portugal. I'll never forget that sound.
Great video Ian! The Delta S4 is still very much scary, even after forty years! I recommend you to react to a guy from Switzerland, called Bruno Ianniello, who races a modified S4 in European Hillclimb Championship. That thing is even scarier that the original one! Greetings from 🇮🇹
Alen said he couldnt drive S 4 on its full speed he was afraid of it, nor did Miki Biasion. Alen said only one who could, was Henkka.( Henri Toivonen )
The double whine of the overcharger and the turbo is amazing to hear. To think there was a street legal version of this car with about 2/3ds of the HP.....
I went to work the other night & out the front of the store was a Lancia S4. OMFG really clean & tidy, when he started it up, nasty stuff happened to me. Absolutely coolest car I have seen in a long time. Yer, I've see Porsche, Ferraris & supped up Audis, but the Lancia hands down was the coolest car of the lot.
2:26 Markku Alen 😊😊😊 Finnish rally driver 🇫🇮🇫🇮🇫🇮🇫🇮
Or Henri Toivonen 😉
ruclips.net/video/LY-CFMir-Qw/видео.htmlsi=NWCDpY3bz4FGqYAQ
He was my favorite driver back then. Theres some nice serie of talks between Markku Alen and Juha Kankunnen at older age. Really great people
Maximum attack :)
Mr "Se gommo tiene"😂
The evolution of the S4 was for a group C class that never saw the light of day due to the demise of group B, I recommend finding on here the Lancia Group C prototype known as ECV, Experimental, Composite , Vehicle.......basic trim 860bhp, imagine an S4 on steroids then you'll be about half way there....
Group S, Group C cars raced on endurance
I saw a video about the development of this car. Safety was secondary (thin roll cages, fuel tanks right under the seats) to weight. They were brutality fast but definitely played a hand in finishing group B
One of them did a 9.9 sec 1/4 mile time a couple of years back. Also, Allen's Olympus rally winning car ( last GRP B rally) was rumored to be around 700 HP.
I'm am Ford Audi man,but this car is very quick,but quicker Lancia S4 was in the European rallycross 80's,saw RS 200's Quattro's Lancia at Brands hatch and at Lydden hill,those machines were peak back then even Porsche were left behind,unbelievable.
this car was totally insane. It's not twin-charged but supercharged and turbocharged all at once
Lancia in the 80's:
"we need power. We'll put a turbo. We have a lack of power at low rpm. We'll add a supercharger. The car needs to be light. We'll use masively carbon fiber and kevlar to keep the weight under a ton"
i don't know what sort of substance they used at this time in Italy but it brought strange results
twincharging is exactly what the delta s4 is, it's just a fancier way of saying supercharged and turbocharged
@@houseking9211 Ok, but when I hear:"twincharged" I hear "twin turbochargers", that's why I prefer when people precise that the car is supercharged and turbocharged (that's slightly different) and it sounds insane to precise supercharged and turbocharged all at once because, which car needs a turbocharger when it's already equipped with a supercharger and which car needs a supercharger when it's already equipped with a turbocharger
Twincharged...
Ok, they put 2 turbos...
Supercharged and turbocharged...
What???? but???why???
@@themetalslayer22602 turbos are usually referred to as bi-turbo. twin-charged makes kinda sense, because it doesn't specify the type of charger.
@@DanVibesTV twin turbo or bi turbo are always what people say, no one would say twincharged unless they're refering to something special like the s4
@@DanVibesTV twin turbo ,twin charged or bi-turbo.....brands say what they want when they speak about these systems (for example with diesels : dci hdi and cdi are strictely the same technology but used by 3 different brands so, named differently).
twin charged doen't mean anything for me (it's impossible to translate it in my language) because it can refers to 2 superchargers or 2 turbochargers and some use small turbos to charge big turbos to compensate turbo lag...
supercharged+ turbocharged= everybody understand that ingeniors are crazy
twin-charged = turbos can be brothers?
these denominations can vary from one brand to another
That's not the "mazinga" 037, but a 4wheel drive prototype of the S4.
The turbo 037 was undrivable, with the rear wheel drive only.
PS: The right pronunciation of "countach" is with the two last letters like the C of the word cheese, not "cuntash", but "cuntaC".
Cheers from Italy! 😉
The Delta S4 is way up on my List, Not the top, but certainly a top 10. It never really got to show it's true potential as the plug was pulled before they could really start to tweak and iron out the wrinkles
THIS is exactly what legendary Markku Alen himself (1st man who drove this prototype here and almost all another runs here in this video !) said about this car (like you said by yourself) when some interviewer asked him how he feels about this Group B machine and did he understood this car at 100%. He replied "I respect this car". Not "love it" , not "like it", but "I respect this car". And he personally admitted that he had full control of this beast only at gravel roads, but he did not fully controlled it at asphalt stages, it was too much scary and ferocious. Lancia 037 has been like a glove for him, but S4 had totally different story. BUT Markku Alen was a main test pilot for Lancia team back then and he tested it full time! BUT only Henri Toivonen understood this beast machine at 100% even when Henri admitted that it melted his brain because of scary speeds.
p.s. (Unfortunately mechanical malfuntions and Lancia team management led to tragic end..)
P.P.S. Also, this prototype was so light (less than 900 kg! ) that whole car structure had cracks after multiple testing and Lancia had to reinforce whole body and chassis structures. Because car just tore itself by the power and G's overloading into corners. Additional welding and renforcements gained overall weight with 50-60 kg, but sometimes even that was not enough (for extreme long African rallies, for example). But at least it stopped tore itself at track corners.
Twin charging has such great potential. In the late 80's I passed my Class 1 HGV (semi truck in U.S.) licence. Was given a Leyland Cruiser 11L turbo diesel producing 230 bhp, to work with. My now boat is a 1993 cruiser with a Volvo 6 cyl twin charged 3.6L, yes 230 bhp.
Sounds chaotic is the best description for the entire Lancia rally program. And is pretty much the best description for it. But boy, did they make some firecrackers back in the day on shoestring budgets.
that was my comment!; the skrapstr one. i didnt think anyone would do anything with it. thanks for noticing it, although i probably should have gone into more detail. yes, that silver-backed lancia was the "mazinga". it is crazy to even think they considered rwd on a car with this much power, but then again, it was group b.
i think, (based on your reaction to the s4 prototype), you would love looking at group s prototypes. group s was the type of rallying that was meant to replace group b, and it is also quite crazy in terms of the car's looks and power. many of the brands that competed in group b made prototypes for group s, including audi, peugeot, toyota, lancia, and more.
also, yes, i can confirm it is me. ive just been through a name change. :)
A friend of mine (actually a client, I took many pictures of his cars) has a black Countach 5000 Quattrovalvole, cream interior, autographed by Marcello Gandini (designer) and Valentino Balboni (tester). After taking pictures he drove me for a small ride... Awesome and unforgettable experience. Sounded glorious.
to blow your mind this car could do 0-60 on gravel faster than most modern supercars can do on tarmac.
The car was painted in olive green to disguise it as some sort of new military wehicle, the engine 1,8L konpressor&turbo induction was cappable of 1000 HP on the test bed
Those images were taken from a test on the private Fiat La Mandria track (I drove there in 2003 as a tester for some vehicles) before getting the first victory in the 1985 Rac Rally.
You can see Claudio Lombardi (project manager), Giorgio Pianta chief test driver and technical consultant of the Lancia Martini Racing Team (only 5 years later he became Team Principal of Alfa Romeo Corse in the Dtm Championship) some mechanics of Lancia Martini (all of them were considered magician in their job) and the legend of rally Marku Alen.
Some of the main technical and peculiar characteristics of the S4 (S=Supercharged, 4= for 4-wheel drive):
- engine of only 1750 cc (1.7 liters) equipped with 2 air supply compressors (Abarth volumetric compressor that works from 0 to approximately 2000 rpm and a KKK turbocharger from 2000 to max rpm).
- Chassis and passenger compartment made with a Ni-Cr tubular structure
- Special and advanced transmission gearbox (called in italian "innesti frontali" I can't translate it in english sorry) which allowed the gear shift without using the clutch, reducing time wasted during gear changes, 2 adjustable self-locking differentials (basic traction distribution was 45% front and 55% rear).
With an engine that developed a maximum power of 550 HP and a total weight of 950 Kg, you can imagine the performance the car can do (the race version had incredible performances like an acceleration from 0 to 100Km/h in 1,9 - 2,2 seconds).
Safety problems emerged in the first serious crash in which Toivonen and Cresto died when the car exploded following a rollover. Explosion caused by the proximity (they were all like this...) of the incandescent turbo to the fuel system and tank and poor resistance of the chassis to high speed impacts.
So true…… I just want to add one little thing to your detailed comment. That damned SKIDPLATE, taken off from Lancia for asphalt rally just to save a few kilograms…….. and we lost Henkka and Sergio forever.
@@dusankocisevic6823 👍👍👍
Ari Vatennen (excuse the spelling) had a pretty serious accident in a 205 T16 he was very fortunate not to die in. Then Toivonen and Sergio Cresto weren't so fortunate. Then there was Portugal 1986 where an RS200 crashed killing several spectators. The FIA had seen enough. These cars were simply to fast to race. There is a video on these cars with the same title. Worth watching.
The Metro 6R4 was awesome too. The Late Brake show have a great video on youtube
All rally cars from that era is awesome
@@generationx227 great cars. but way to dangerous. ATHLETES ARE NOT GLADIATORS!
Non puoi paragonare una Metro 6R4 ad una S4
Austin metro avevo un suono spettacolare.....con il v6 aspirato non veloce come la s4 ma cmq una auto da fuori di testa. Un'abbraccio dall italia😉
😂😂😂😂 please......
Everyone is forgetting about the proposed next stage that never happened.
The fully developed Lancia ECV & ECV2 prototypes.
For the abandoned Group S, scheduled for 88?
I tried the S4 gr.B as a passenger, 550hp, it's demonic . Ciao from Italy
Sure you are one lucky son of a gun
😎😎🙏🙏
@@dusankocisevic6823 ruclips.net/video/u9-30bcbyjw/видео.htmlsi=xz6kysLkh7viG6N_
Last stage a triflux engine LANCIA ECV year 1986.... 1759CC 800CV Italy is this!
Of course we have to remember the manufacturers had to produce at least 500 road versions of these group B cars for homologation purposes, the rally versions could be counted within these 500 so rarely were there 500 purely Road versions.
200, you're perhaps remembering Group A which required 5000 units to be built, but since homologation procedures could be initiated with just 10% of the vehicles already finished, the minimum quantity before getting homologation was 500 units for Group A (and, yes, only 20 for Group B).
And do you know the history about that mandatory minimum production?
yeah those cars were a joke, fucking undrivable and so flimsy that the whole chassis flexed a lot, people even got stuck inside the car because the doors didn't open.
Still it was the golden era of motorsport, rules were just crazy in those times, like the Group C and the GT1 regulations, absolute madness
From someone thats been watching your YT content from almost the start im very happy to have seen it grow like it did.
Also i want to share with you a YT channel that has some amazing content, its called Robbert Alblas, its got some rallying and especially some oldschool GT racing like with the old GT1's or GT40 racing, including full races, its really impressive.
Again congrats and keep up the good work.
What a beast!
I love Group B, it was the best area!
Audi S1 Quattro is one of my favs and the Lancias (037, Delta).
You're right, it was the best area. I'm French, so naturally my favourite Group B car is the Peugeot 205 T16. I fell in love with it when Ari Vatanen blew it up at the Rallye of thousand Lakes in Sweden.
@@davydou9609 yes, the Peugeot is also a fantastic car
Other test pilot and race driver was Markku Alen. Markku gives more exact details and drove this car few years ago for Finnish TV show. Great footage 10/10. Markku drives also other old race cars he used to race in this TV serie like 037 and Stratos. English subs available. ruclips.net/video/ri9RHi7tx4Q/видео.htmlsi=WqRKEAccOkfAGMpx
Markku also reveals in this two part serie that they drove it with way over 600hp.
I was just about to say.....
When i think "most amazing rally cars" Lancia takes the #1 and #2 spot on the list, namely this one, the Delta (which everyone wanted to have), and the gorgeous legendary Stratos.
Peugeot had a bad-ass, sinister all wheel drive car, turbo and super charged, that won several Rally Championships.
Beating the Audi all wheel drive and dancing around the Rallies with the Lancias.
Group B was truly insane!
In the Rally of Portugal a driver lost control, plowing into the sepectators -- 36 killed, 43 injured.
A couple of months later, during the Rally of Italy, the Champion driving a Lancia lost control in a really mean turn.
Both the driver and Navigator were killed.
Group B, aplready highly contested, didn't survive after the accidents in Portugal and Italy.
Obviously, Group B machines didn't forgive any small mistake -- only the super-drivers got to race them.
And yet, even Rally demi-gods were going to make small mistakes, with gigantic , tragic consequences
I'm Italian. Great video and thanks so much for post it. Appreciated 100%. Martini Lancia Delta Rally S4 in those days was a national pride of successes and innovations in all the way, putting the opponents Audi and Peugeot in serious difficulty. Respect for you and have a great day! 👍👋
European Motorsport back then was just about how fast one could go, both in F1 and rally. Safety was not an issue at all. Putting a 650 HP lightweight monstre on gravel, dirt or snow wasn't the wisest thing to do but they just didn't care, they only had one thing in mind: we have to win races, we have to go faster. Occasional events like serious injuries or deaths were just considered part of the job, acceptable risks of the trade. Period.
Today only TT has kept such mindset.
I too had poster of Countach! My favorite as well! I also had Porsche 959, 911 Flatnose and Ferrari F40.
I was born in 2001 and I have a countach poster as well but mine has a metal frame that matches the colour lettering in the poster and the frame has glass so it’s not cheap plastic not sure it is original or not but it’s was in the frame before I was born
Markku Alen was my favorite driver in that era. He is the guy in this video testing the S4
Back in the days Formula One used to have qualifying engines (basically one shot and done) which they swapped out for the race. Lancia took one to Monza for tarmac testing, so they were running it in exactly the same trim they planned to rally, so co-driver, spare tyre, jack, spares and some tools and it was still lapping fast enough to qualify for the second row which means it was actually quick enough to win a F1 race.
The sound is because of the compressor.this engine had a compressor and a turbocharger in series.
please see "Lancia's Rally Legacy: How Rule-Bending Innovation and Legendary Drivers Made Motorsport History"
Hello, is only 1.750cc, turbo and charged. From 900rpm to 3500rpm is only charged with 350hp, more or less, from 3500rpm to 6000rpm close the charger and open the turbo with 660hp. With this air sistem you remove the turbo lag caused from the big turbo used in 84. But you no exist one Delta S4 covered in a garage, ready for the rally, with only 30km maked?
this is seen as the ultimate rally machine
I always loved shots like this, seeing how much has changed in some places! Also, other teams had similar changed concepts later on, like the mid-engined Quattro. Or the even faster Groupe S category, which was never launched, yet all the cars are finished and still running today, although most are in museums, but the Audi Quattro 002 is a regular at the Goodwood festival..700 bhp!
my stepdad had audi quattro group b R26 or number 26 built, each car had all its parts numbered so they knew what belonged to which car. i got a ride in it before he sold it as it was getting hella expensive to finish restoring it , also his dream of driving it at a classic rally was dashed when told it was still banned. but mostly it was the cost. he got everything except the engine and that would have required it being sent back to audi and would have cost a bomb to be rebuilt. now i believe it sits in a private museum in germany.
@@gregorturner4753 Wow
That generation of race cars has everything today's race cars are missing. It's pure mechanics, no electronics. A dancer on the pedals and no computer anywhere. These machines are raw, they have their own will, their own soul. The driver must respect them, feel their needs and tame them carefully or they will kill him.
We need a new race class like that. No electronics at all, all mechanic, an easy to check displacement limit of reasonable size, only standard quality fuel, no injection of NOS or whatever crap, no other limits.
😂 I knew you were going to say Lambo Countach! I had one on the wall as a teen too. now I'm in my 50's and have it hanging in the Garage 😂
Literally my favourite car of all time. I was stood next to a forest stage at the 1986 RAC rally, and the sound of the S4 at full chat will stay with me forever. Even so, standing behind a metro 6R4 when it starts up is the best sound I've ever heard. The Delta though, was a masterpiece.
Watch this... ruclips.net/video/mSJoq6mTSQM/видео.htmlsi=9ulffHLdtnomKTkL
Lancia got to develop a successor for the S4 called ECV
I did have a Countach poster but I never liked it, it was a present. I love the original prototype Countach, in yellow, with the louvres for air intakes. It lost it's clean, pure lines because of cooling issue and the wings and wheel arches kept making it worse. My taste developped rapidly in those days, especially under the influence of a book with concepts by Guigiaro, Pininfarina, Bertone and Ghia. So I would get a book about Ferrari as a birthday or St.Nick gift when already my interest had shifted to Maserati and Lamborghini.
My uncle got it right though, we didn't speak that often so he had to go by his own taste and brought me a poster, framed with glass, of a Mercedes 300SL roaster. The 80's is an interesting decade and the decade of my teens, but during that I grew very fond of the clean edgy 70's designs, starting in the late 60's, and the 50's with Vignale, Allemano, Frua, Ghia the last coachbuilders with their mad ideas. Even Pininfarina went totally bonkers with a Maserati back then, and Pegaso cars from Spain deserves a mention too.
I also love the Art deco era, in both the USA and Europe, Cord 812, Auburn, Hispano-Suiza, coach builders for Talbot and Delahaye like Figoni e Falaschi, Saoutchik, the Buccali V12 front wheel drive for example.
One of my favorite cars ever! 👍 👍
My 2 first posters was a '86 Porsche 911 930 turbo all midnight black colour and a '94 BMW 850Csi V12 E31... great machines those days
You can still get a Delta integrale that runs like a beast but reliable. Somewhere in Netherlands is the place they rebuild them. And for la modica cifra di qualche centinaio di migliaia di euro te la puoi godere.
There was also the Lancia Delta ECV which was the evolution of the S4 but never participated in the races and remained a prototype version, the engine was always a 1750 cc 4-cylinder that in road configuration could reach even 900 horsepower with a triflux head the latter had crossed intake and exhaust valves to better cool at high powers.
Twin charged, Lancia I believe were the first to ever supercharge and turbo charge 👌🏼
Supercharger + Turbo = pure genius
It sounds like death itself was angry
Lancia Stratos and Delta 🤌🏼 Have an RC Delta I live out my childhood rally dreams with. There’s probably more 16v intergrale cylinder heads on Rigoli race engines than complete cars in Australia!
Wow, i am in paradise..from this amazing video to people's comments sharing their childhood memories with rallies, someone's mother or father played in rally getting aboard in some exceptional machines like Metro, Manta, Delta and so....wow..these comments are very entertaining...i am gonna screen record all these amazing experiences shared by people...
Jan de Rooy is passed away last week at eighty. You should look at videos of him at the Dakar with his DAF truck and rallycross with the DAF55.
When I was young, I had a DeLorean DMC-12 and a Vector W8 on my wall.
Great car as was the 037, Group B was awesome and I was lucky enough to actually watch them live before the ban. But check out the MG 6R4 Metro, built on a shoestring budget by Williams for Austin Rover with a none turbo 6 cylinder which was basically popped midship inside a 11 foot shopping car. In fact you should have look at all Group B cars, they were all nuts!!!!
037 with the toilet paper roll-cage and no skid plate!?
I had three car posters: Jaguar XJ220, Ferrari F40 and Lambourgini Diablo. I was fortunate in growing up in the early 90s, an era with some truly stunning supercars.
I think it was designed to compete with the Peugeot 205 and Ford RS200, with all respect to Audi's quattro innovation, it was relatively understeered with the engine up front and up front that much. Peugeot and Ford already went mid-engined, to have a competitive edge on that, Lancia campe up with the volumex-turbo combination to cover 2 rev ranges and have a really big turbo. I think through a cross flow engine but I'm not sure.
They even worked on a 800hp successor in the triflux engine, that was with twin turbo's but would steer all the exhaust gases to one turbo to spin that up first.
I loved the S4, I just wanted Lancia to win but also because of it's total madness and the odd combination of a little tight, clean elegant design on disproportioned purely functional monster.
I saw a Lancia Delta (not S4) rallying in person once and my friend described the sound as mincing squirrels in the front and then firing them out the back!
Respect to s4. ❤
okay, okay, I know! It had a Lancia badge on the front but the chassis, cylinder head, and the exhaust system - including the twin chargers and how to get that working with the supercharger - were all pure Abarth! I think that the Baldi brothers (Elio and Giovani, both Abarth technicians) had a lot of input, but the designer Serge Limone had an input too. Try and have look at the cylinder heads on a good shot of the S4 and you will see clearly the ABARTH lettering on the heads!
The posters on my wall were Peugeot 205 Group B posters. One first version and one Evo 2.
As a young kid it was a Jaguar XJ13 up on my wall and a few models as a teen that became a hemi dart. Sadly I can build one but never own an original last one I see change hands publicly (going back to my early 30's) was 1.8mil then hate to see what they go for today considering there were only 80 built.
Now days those cars are like bullet or aero plane form. That is box full off power.