I just bought a 1200 GT Pro four days ago. So far, I love it. It replaces an 850 Sport so you can imagine it is a very different proposition. Definitely worth the hype, and far better than the 900 Rally Pro I originally thought I would buy.
Good first ride review. I personally spent a lot more money on my 2023 R 1250 GS and have exactly zero regrets. Could not possibly be happier. The Triumph 1200 is a great bike, just not for me. BTW welcome back to my RUclips channel lineup 👏👏👏 👊 🇺🇸.
Great Video just got my new tiger 1200 rally pro took it off road for the first time other week and wow what a bike its great off and off road even with a 21" front wheel
Thanks for a good review, I like your approach, a motorcycle should be intuitive first of all 👍 Some like a lot of electronics, some don't, but it must never need a "computer game expert" to ride a bike. I like that you call out also the small things on a premium bike, keep up the good work 👍😎
I did a testride in Cluj this year and i loved it but there where a few bits and bobs that i disliked: 1. Great engine but its neutered electronically. On higher speeds spectrum 150+ runs out of puff, but what an engine and throttle remap can't fix.. Vibes didn't bother me. 2. As you said the instrument cluster is laggy/slow. 3. The footrest asymmetry; left leg is more outward than right leg. For me it was noticeable and annoing. 4. And the exhaust position but thats common with the current ADV bike lineups. High and long, thus loosing cargo space in right box. 5. Rear radar design/integration to me looks like an after tought. As a 1.88m rider and 130 kg at that time, i found the Tiger 1200 really comfy but a few tweaks are needed to be even better like: 1. Taller windshield because it caused some noise/ buffeting. 2. Handlebar rotated forward @ 5~10° angle because it creates some akward wrist positions. For me, ist best option if you dont want a BMW R1300GS/A with a boxer engine, design wise i like both, the new 1300GSA first and Tiger 1200 second and regular GS third.
Ended up with a 900 rally to complement my T120. Previous adv was a 1200 LC GS. Dare I say, i don't miss the boxer engine at all and much apreciate the triple, the Stylemas and the overall feel over my ,,old" gs. Sure, it has it's quarks but all motorcycles do.
With blind spot detectors if I'm moving off my line I would still turn my head and look, nice to have as indicators but wouldn't bet my life on them. I use them in ,my SUV, and find them more useful because there are blind spots in my SUV.
At least it's not as ugly as the new 1300GSA. Tiger switch gear has always been complicated, but the 660 is a nice laid-out bike. I'll stick to my RS1250.
Nice review. Thank you. With this engine in its conventional firing order the engine is as smooth as butter. The cross plane crank is just too vibey and snatchy for any significant long distance comfort. I can understand why it benefits in off road conditions however how many spend each day off the sealed roads.
The thing is, inline 3 engines are always "crossplane" It's because yamaha with their crossplane 3 mt09 engine that ppl assumed there is a "regular" firing order that is smooter
@@someguy9520 Incorrect. The CP3 Yamaha 3 cylinder isn’t a cross plane crank engine as it has even firing intervals at every 120 degrees. The smaller and bigger brothers using the CP2 and CP4 are both cross plane crank shafts. In fact most 3 cylinder engines have the conventional firing order.
@marcusgeorge1825 The thing is, yamaha always marketed their i3 as crossplane. I'm aware that they have the regular 120° firing order. But that isn't exactly a flatplane crank as well Thing is, do you know any other i3 that have a different firing order than 120°? You mentioned that the Tiger 1200 not having the crossplane crank implying that it had one before From my perspective any other firing interval would not give any benefits except maybe sound and horrible imbalance
@someguy9520 Tigers have a T Plane crank. Sounds like a twin at low rpm. Smooth power delivery is a bit of a disadvantage while riding off road, hence the reason why single cylinders are better suited for things like motocross, trials, hard enduro, etc. You'll have to look up the details on T plane engines. It's too much to get into here.
This is a comment about many RUclips reviewers and online reviewers in general. It's not just you. RTFM (read the f___ manual. 1) Too many time tbere is incorrect or incomplete information posted because the reviewer didn't read the manual. (You commented about the throttle response. But you didn't tell us what mode it was in. You didn't try different modes to see how the throttle response was in the other modes. Was this because you could confidently switch modes do to not RTFM.) 2) More useful videos confidently show how the controls work. They explain how and why they work that way. Watching a reviewer fumble with the controls isn't useful. Yes please do point out the challenge of using the controls. 3) The behavior of not reading the manual encourages buyers and others to do the same. It is shocking how little people know about the vehicle that they ride and drive. It does create problems on the road. If online reviewers encouraged reader vehicle manuals be example this could improve road safety. Sorry about dumping on you. I generally really enjoy your videos. Like I said, this comment is directed at most online reviewers not just you. Thank you for a fun video.
What riding mode are you in? Look at your dashboard. It's right in front of you. The icon with the solid lines on each side with the dotted line in the middle is Road Mode. This kind of thing is what makes it difficult to take a lot of these RUclips reviews seriously. Seems like criticism for the sake of criticism sometimes. You can't expect to jump on a technologically advanced bike, without reading the owner's manual and expect to know how everything works and where to find everything. 🤦♂️
i have the 2023 GT PRO great fun bike to ride and spent many hours in the seat riding around.... Vibrations are a personal thing i dont find them in anyway annoying and no worse than any other bike i have had, no issues riding and filtering through traffic i dont find the throttle snatchy as you say its the same as my old FJR. Having triied the GS before buying the tiger that boxer engine was a big no for me
This has the cross plane crank. As far as I know, this particular model is the only bike made with a cross plane triple. No other Triumphs have it, and as far as I know, no other manufacture makes a triple like that. Triumph says that it offers a better off road power band, but I'm not so sure about that. That configuration is the reason for the vibrations. In all honesty, the Tiger 1200 might be the worst Tiger of the bunch. IMO, the 900 is the one to get, with a silky smooth flat plane crank triple, and a much lighter weight. You're really only missing a couple bells and whistles over the 1200, and about 50hp, but at a much cheaper price. It seems as if Triumph is really, really good at the middle weight bike market, but they don't do as well with the big bikes. For instance, the Speed Triple has flaws that the Street Triple just doesn't have.
In the UK these bikes cost £18,995 which to me is a lot and to be honest I could get 2 CF Moto 800MT's for that much. And they both do more or less the same thing, only one is made in China and the other is probably made somewhere in the Far East too. Modern big bikes are getting ridiculously expensive and as such, will only ever appeal to a niche market.
That's pretty much the equivalent of saying "i could buy 2 toyotas for the price of an Audi". Nobody in the market for a triumph would ever consider a CFmoto, let alone 2 of them. You're comparing the price of a premium machine to the price of one of the cheapest parts-bin special brands in the market. You say they do the same thing, but they really don't. They're in the same genre of motorcycle, that's about it I agree that motorcycle prices are too high in general though 👌
They do have a lot of lash. Once you've got the knack of shifting it properly, it's fine, otherwise you can hear it clunk. It's especially noticeable off road, on slippery surfaces.
Refined! A 3 cylinder! It sounds sick, how can it be refined? Unlike what people say, is not the best of a twin, and the best of a quad cylinder. Remove the best of a twin and the best of a quad, that's a triple. And it's definatly NOT half a 6 cylinder. An inline 6 is the best possible, an inline triple is the worst possible. I remember a boxer 4 to be peculiar, interesting though, the way it revs is something you get used to quickly. A triple... I can't remember a single thing I liked about that stupid layout. Really awful. I'll take any twin over the "best" triple. And I don't really like the engine in your BMW. Never had a twin I didn't like, all with different vibes. 4 cylinders is a different beast, not better, different. 3 cylinders is shite. Sounds like shite. That brit toy is anything but reliable, meaning is shite. I don't care about power (speed bumps, speed traps, overzealous pigs, narrow roads, roundabouts, potholes, slow lorries, campervans and caravans which you can't overtake... What do you need 140hp for?) lightness is what I care about the most. A triple is not suitable for that. Heavy as a 4 cylinder with less power and the same maintenance costs, minus a spark plug (8/10€).
Have you been on the back of a new 1200 Tiger so far and if so, was it worth the hype for you?
I just bought a 1200 GT Pro four days ago. So far, I love it. It replaces an 850 Sport so you can imagine it is a very different proposition. Definitely worth the hype, and far better than the 900 Rally Pro I originally thought I would buy.
Good first ride review. I personally spent a lot more money on my 2023 R 1250 GS and have exactly zero regrets. Could not possibly be happier. The Triumph 1200 is a great bike, just not for me. BTW welcome back to my RUclips channel lineup 👏👏👏 👊 🇺🇸.
Great Video just got my new tiger 1200 rally pro took it off road for the first time other week and wow what a bike its great off and off road even with a 21" front wheel
Over 20,000 miles on my GT Explorer and it is the best in the sector for me. Quickshifter is fantastic too!
I like that colour scheme
Thanks for a good review, I like your approach, a motorcycle should be intuitive first of all 👍 Some like a lot of electronics, some don't, but it must never need a "computer game expert" to ride a bike. I like that you call out also the small things on a premium bike, keep up the good work 👍😎
I did a testride in Cluj this year and i loved it but there where a few bits and bobs that i disliked:
1. Great engine but its neutered electronically. On higher speeds spectrum 150+ runs out of puff, but what an engine and throttle remap can't fix.. Vibes didn't bother me.
2. As you said the instrument cluster is laggy/slow.
3. The footrest asymmetry; left leg is more outward than right leg. For me it was noticeable and annoing.
4. And the exhaust position but thats common with the current ADV bike lineups. High and long, thus loosing cargo space in right box.
5. Rear radar design/integration to me looks like an after tought.
As a 1.88m rider and 130 kg at that time, i found the Tiger 1200 really comfy but a few tweaks are needed to be even better like:
1. Taller windshield because it caused some noise/ buffeting.
2. Handlebar rotated forward @ 5~10° angle because it creates some akward wrist positions.
For me, ist best option if you dont want a BMW R1300GS/A with a boxer engine, design wise i like both, the new 1300GSA first and Tiger 1200 second and regular GS third.
Ended up with a 900 rally to complement my T120. Previous adv was a 1200 LC GS. Dare I say, i don't miss the boxer engine at all and much apreciate the triple, the Stylemas and the overall feel over my ,,old" gs. Sure, it has it's quarks but all motorcycles do.
The RPM/vibration test was really interesting and useful.
With blind spot detectors if I'm moving off my line I would still turn my head and look, nice to have as indicators but wouldn't bet my life on them. I use them in ,my SUV, and find them more useful because there are blind spots in my SUV.
At least it's not as ugly as the new 1300GSA. Tiger switch gear has always been complicated, but the 660 is a nice laid-out bike. I'll stick to my RS1250.
Nice review. Thank you. With this engine in its conventional firing order the engine is as smooth as butter. The cross plane crank is just too vibey and snatchy for any significant long distance comfort. I can understand why it benefits in off road conditions however how many spend each day off the sealed roads.
And yet people are riding these across continents...🤷♂️
The thing is, inline 3 engines are always "crossplane"
It's because yamaha with their crossplane 3 mt09 engine that ppl assumed there is a "regular" firing order that is smooter
@@someguy9520 Incorrect. The CP3 Yamaha 3 cylinder isn’t a cross plane crank engine as it has even firing intervals at every 120 degrees. The smaller and bigger brothers using the CP2 and CP4 are both cross plane crank shafts. In fact most 3 cylinder engines have the conventional firing order.
@marcusgeorge1825 The thing is, yamaha always marketed their i3 as crossplane. I'm aware that they have the regular 120° firing order. But that isn't exactly a flatplane crank as well
Thing is, do you know any other i3 that have a different firing order than 120°? You mentioned that the Tiger 1200 not having the crossplane crank implying that it had one before
From my perspective any other firing interval would not give any benefits except maybe sound and horrible imbalance
@someguy9520 Tigers have a T Plane crank. Sounds like a twin at low rpm. Smooth power delivery is a bit of a disadvantage while riding off road, hence the reason why single cylinders are better suited for things like motocross, trials, hard enduro, etc. You'll have to look up the details on T plane engines. It's too much to get into here.
This is a comment about many RUclips reviewers and online reviewers in general. It's not just you.
RTFM (read the f___ manual.
1) Too many time tbere is incorrect or incomplete information posted because the reviewer didn't read the manual. (You commented about the throttle response. But you didn't tell us what mode it was in. You didn't try different modes to see how the throttle response was in the other modes. Was this because you could confidently switch modes do to not RTFM.)
2) More useful videos confidently show how the controls work. They explain how and why they work that way. Watching a reviewer fumble with the controls isn't useful. Yes please do point out the challenge of using the controls.
3) The behavior of not reading the manual encourages buyers and others to do the same. It is shocking how little people know about the vehicle that they ride and drive. It does create problems on the road. If online reviewers encouraged reader vehicle manuals be example this could improve road safety.
Sorry about dumping on you. I generally really enjoy your videos. Like I said, this comment is directed at most online reviewers not just you. Thank you for a fun video.
What riding mode are you in? Look at your dashboard. It's right in front of you. The icon with the solid lines on each side with the dotted line in the middle is Road Mode. This kind of thing is what makes it difficult to take a lot of these RUclips reviews seriously. Seems like criticism for the sake of criticism sometimes. You can't expect to jump on a technologically advanced bike, without reading the owner's manual and expect to know how everything works and where to find everything. 🤦♂️
I did figure it out 2 minutes later, while playing with it. It's a Triumph, not a Honda :D
i have the 2023 GT PRO great fun bike to ride and spent many hours in the seat riding around.... Vibrations are a personal thing i dont find them in anyway annoying and no worse than any other bike i have had, no issues riding and filtering through traffic i dont find the throttle snatchy as you say its the same as my old FJR.
Having triied the GS before buying the tiger that boxer engine was a big no for me
Apologies for picking at you, I love ya, man, but needed the amusement today....
We amuse ourselves with the brits 😂
good ride
This has the cross plane crank. As far as I know, this particular model is the only bike made with a cross plane triple. No other Triumphs have it, and as far as I know, no other manufacture makes a triple like that. Triumph says that it offers a better off road power band, but I'm not so sure about that. That configuration is the reason for the vibrations. In all honesty, the Tiger 1200 might be the worst Tiger of the bunch. IMO, the 900 is the one to get, with a silky smooth flat plane crank triple, and a much lighter weight. You're really only missing a couple bells and whistles over the 1200, and about 50hp, but at a much cheaper price.
It seems as if Triumph is really, really good at the middle weight bike market, but they don't do as well with the big bikes. For instance, the Speed Triple has flaws that the Street Triple just doesn't have.
did you ride both? If you did I would be very surprised.
@@jonathanbonnett9456 I test rode a Speed Triple, and owned a Street Triple.
Kwaai...! 👌
Watching you figure out the menus in real time couldn't have been more boring or less informative.
In the UK these bikes cost £18,995 which to me is a lot and to be honest I could get 2 CF Moto 800MT's for that much. And they both do more or less the same thing, only one is made in China and the other is probably made somewhere in the Far East too. Modern big bikes are getting ridiculously expensive and as such, will only ever appeal to a niche market.
I bought my brand new in 2023 for 16.5k. pays to shop around
Slave labor motorcycle, you go and get all you want.
CFM= commie FN Motorcycle
Mt800 costs 14.000eur where i live
That's pretty much the equivalent of saying "i could buy 2 toyotas for the price of an Audi".
Nobody in the market for a triumph would ever consider a CFmoto, let alone 2 of them. You're comparing the price of a premium machine to the price of one of the cheapest parts-bin special brands in the market. You say they do the same thing, but they really don't. They're in the same genre of motorcycle, that's about it
I agree that motorcycle prices are too high in general though 👌
Did you notice any driveshaft-lash??
I rode it and didnt feel any, because has a similar sistem like BMW Paralever.
They do have a lot of lash. Once you've got the knack of shifting it properly, it's fine, otherwise you can hear it clunk. It's especially noticeable off road, on slippery surfaces.
Not really, it has bad aerodynamic, lots of wind buffeting
Confirmation bias - you never love the 1st of a new to you bike, or anything....
Refined! A 3 cylinder!
It sounds sick, how can it be refined?
Unlike what people say, is not the best of a twin, and the best of a quad cylinder. Remove the best of a twin and the best of a quad, that's a triple. And it's definatly NOT half a 6 cylinder. An inline 6 is the best possible, an inline triple is the worst possible. I remember a boxer 4 to be peculiar, interesting though, the way it revs is something you get used to quickly. A triple... I can't remember a single thing I liked about that stupid layout. Really awful.
I'll take any twin over the "best" triple. And I don't really like the engine in your BMW. Never had a twin I didn't like, all with different vibes. 4 cylinders is a different beast, not better, different. 3 cylinders is shite. Sounds like shite. That brit toy is anything but reliable, meaning is shite.
I don't care about power (speed bumps, speed traps, overzealous pigs, narrow roads, roundabouts, potholes, slow lorries, campervans and caravans which you can't overtake... What do you need 140hp for?) lightness is what I care about the most. A triple is not suitable for that. Heavy as a 4 cylinder with less power and the same maintenance costs, minus a spark plug (8/10€).