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Influencers Say the Springfield Echelon is Good - Is it?
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- Опубликовано: 16 авг 2024
- The Springfield Echelon was all the rage when it came out a few months ago. We've all been littered with videos of popular people telling us it's great. Which, of course, can lead to a healthy skepticism. With that said, we bought this Springfield Echelon and will say whatever we want about it. Enjoy.
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Bought mine about three months ago. Added a Holosun 407 when I did. Added a Talon Grip and bought two more mags. I now have about 100o through it. Zero issues. Great gun and glad I purchased it. Love the channel and the way you present your videos.
Who cares where it come from or who made it bro as long as we like ours right I love mine too
Are you me? I did exactly the same thing haha
One thing to note guys, this pistol is not from springfield they did not make this they just imported this, and the manufacutre that made this pistol is HS produckt they are a military and LEO firearms manufacutre and have been supplying firearms for decades all over the world they are based and all of thier products are made in Croatia. The Croatian military uses a bullpub rifle known as the the VHS 2 and the VHS-D2
This is a good point and 100% true! But, and I'm not hating at all, but what does it matter? The gun wouldn't be on the market for the price if they didn't import it... it doesn't hurt the function or reliability of the gun 😂
The second thing to note is that dosen't matter as we have people buying cheap turkey pistols and they function fine. Springfield is doing great standing by thier products especially the prodigy and echelon. They will grow and the echelon works amazing for what it is.
@@cliffordbosworth5378 springfield is known for making 1911s and ars especially the M1A. However when it came to polymer pistols many people thought that it was unreliable or a piece of shit cause it was out of springfields territory in that sense. HS produckt was the one who made the polymer pistols and including the XDM and the hellcat
My only problem is the current iteration of Springfield markets under the guise of being the same legendary company that won wars . It’s deceptive, that being said I own a hellcat pro and it’s a great firearm . In my opinion Springfield should be more transparent on what they are
iirc HS Produkt also makes everything for their guns in house. They don't import a part from a different country or anything like that. It lets them iterate very quickly on their designs and not be beholden to someone else.
Anything is a Glock killer if you don’t like Glocks
I'm not a Glock fanboy, but it is stupid when people say Glock killer. Glocks still have their place in this market and they are still fantastic pistols that are accurate and extremely reliable. Just get both, that is my opinion!
Not a glock fanboy, as for a "glock killer" still don't care
@@briancooke5532 it's just to get clicks dude. It got yours..and mine, lol
@briancooke5532 as someone with both a echelon and glock 17 while the echelon may be overall more setup or ready to be setup than my glock at the end of the day if shit hits the fan I'm grabbing the glock why cause replacement parts and mags are Hella abundant
@@lucasschmitz4588I agree
The Echelon is a great pistol.
Borrowed one from TGC and put around 1500 rounds thru it with zero issues. After sending it back ( I begged Jon to let me keep it) I had to buy one. At this point is really is my favorite striker fired pistol. Dare I say it, I like it more than my H&K VP9.
Anyone that "needs" a striker fired pistol should take a look and consider it. You can't find a more feature loaded "service" pistol on the market that really requires no modding.
Also I didn't really expect to like it, let alone fall in love with it.
Just finally came across one , couldn’t not buy it after holding it , I pleasantly surprised how much I really like it .
The PDP is a contender w this, you can get a PDP pro with all the bells and whistles for $799 all day. Personally i want both. Ive always been a fan of Glocks and the M&P 2.0
Since you guys did a pdp video I really expected this one to come out too and I'm very surprised you guys like it this much and were this positive. Thank you guys for being honest.
Thank you for reaching for so long and for the kind words. Jake and I will always do our best to be 100% honest and truthful
I’m in law enforcement as a patrol supervisor and carry it on duty. I run a holosun 507 comp, and TLR-1HL. Solid gun. I’ve ran around 2000 rounds through it with no issues. Only thing I’ve done to it is swapped to a powder river precision trigger. Not for a reduce in trigger pull just wanted a crisper wall. 10/10 love it. My prior agency carried the P320 and this blows it out of the water. My current agency also issues the Glock 45 and it’s still a night and day difference.
Thank you for your input
I've got an Echelon. Probably only around 1000 rounds through it, but I absolutely love it. I had it ported and it shoots even better. Not a single malfunction so far.
Who ported? Looking to do mine.
@@jjacks8203my only question is why port it over getting the threaded barrel and adding a comp, porting reduces performance the threaded barrel is 5.28in so 3/4 of a inch longer then the factory barrel so increased performance then add the comp and recoil still gets reduced I mean I get length but it's a duty gun nothing about it is small
Good review, I absolutely love my Echelon. I was kinda "meh" when I first handled the gun at the lgs, but decided to pick one up and see for myself. Now, I've owned many, many handguns over the years and I can honestly say that the Echelon is one of, if not the best polymer, striker fired pistols I've owned. I have a few thousand rounds thru mine and it has not disappointed me yet. As a matter of fact, I liked it so much, I bought another one for my nightstand gun! I would highly recommend trying one out.
They sent me one in the first wave for reviews. Deep down I didn't like it at first and thought the slide was "over done". That was the out-of-the-box first feelings when I received it weeks before the public saw it. Then I shot it, then I really started to understand it. The more I shot it and longer I looked at it, the more I understood it and really came to appreciate it. It runs and sounds great suppressed too. I now have my own FFL/SOT and recommend it all the time to my customers. For the money it's a damn good gun. I threw the small frame housing on it and got even better control and grip purchase. Just an all around great gun!
Very cool. It’s def a lot of value for the money in my eyes
My Echelon 1500+ rounds. All ammo types. Zero malfunctions ..... In fact, my Prodigy 4.25, bought last December has 1000+ rounds. Zero malfunctions ....... I daily carry the Echelon with little if any trouble. Mounted 508T and an Olight Baldr Pro R with Black Rhino Concealment Tac holster. I ditched my Hellcat RDP as it is like shooting a ball of barbed wire. Nice idea, but.... no. Full frame for me. And remember, guys. If someone doesn't like 1911's, we can not be friends. 🙂
Been eyeballing the Prodigy....
@yohanwolfhause8268 im ordering one soon too (prodigy) just debating with or with dragonfly
@@EngineMedic7 The optic SA offers is not very good. Buy an optics plate and try the Cyelee Wolf X Pro ....... that optic, so far, is pretty darn good !!!! 👍👍👍
@TheAmerican1963 ive never run an optic so on a handgun is zero. ive run a red dot on my AR but that's a different animal. So was trying to see if i should save a couple hundred off the start
@@EngineMedic7 I understand. No optic is cheaper. around $1240.00 .... you will really enjoy the pistol, optic or not. Good luck amigo !!!!! 🙂
Omg, the transition with the belt was just amazing 😂.
Nice review as always.
Congratulations to the cameraman, it s just high end qualities videos.
À lot of work for him to edit such videos.
Good job
Agree that was sick and great camera work.
I see it this way:
Glock 45 or 17 around $600
Good stippling job $300
Optic cut with slide serrations $300
Different sights $100
Upgrading the trigger $150
Total around $1450
Springfield Echelon $550
Trijicon RMR or SRO around $450
Surefire x300 around $250
1000 rounds 9mm 124gr $250
Total around $1500
My choice Echelon any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Great video as always boys.
I got the Echelon the week that it dropped, I've put over 3000 rounds through it, and it is 100% worth the price I paid for it, definitely a grab and go "Oh shit" gun
That's a real review! Thanks.
Is the grip angle like a 1911 or more like a glock?
@@candidob8683 More like a 1911 and you can clearly see from this video it is nothing like a Glock or if you go to their website. Glock is the only manufacturer that has the extreme angled grip.
Glock@@candidob8683
My echelon has been solid, no malfunctions yet and over 1k rounds. Definitely prefer it to my stock Glock and even stock M&P.
I just happened upon your video. I am interested in the Echelon. 1. I love your style and honesty of your video. I signed up. 2. After watching your video, I have decided to purchase one. Thanks! I’ll be looking forward to other videos.
Thank you for the sub and thank you for trusting us with your dollar. I still stand by this gun and have been very happy with how it has performed
I went with the Echelon over the PDP and this pistol is top notch. Super happy with it, shoots great and no malfunctions. Great video
why did you choose this over the pdp
@@warrenroberts1912 Ergos and I it shot more natural for me, plus everything it comes out of the box.
Should have just got a CZ P-10c. Cheaper and amazing out the box.
Same! Picked the echelon over the pdp and a cz p10c and have ZERO regrets lol
1000 ish 0 malfunctions. Drives nails reliably. Love mine so far.
CZp10c is like 375-450. So enough left over for optic work if needed and potentially enough for a holster or magazine.
Just an option for those looking!
Admittedly though really like the echelon especially the slide cuts and everything ready out of the box.
Do you own a P10c/f or have you shot one, if so, how does it compare to the Echelon?
I own both. Got my P10C Optics ready for $360. It's a beast of a gun. I feel my Echelon is slightly better and probably my favorite polymer gun currently. But if I just had a P10C I'd definitely still be a happy man.
@jamr3116 what makes the Echelon better for you? I run the P10SC which is the P10F slide on the P10C frame and that is by far my favorite striker fire.
Springfield takes a lot of shit from the gun community, but you can't deny that they have brought some really good guns to the market in the last few years.
you mean imported guns from former commie bloc countries?
Their imbel Brazil "us made" (assembled) 1911s have always been okay, but I just can't support the fraud
They deserve every criticism and then some.
@@griftinggamer I'm not saying they don't. I'm just saying that they have put out some quality firearms in recent years.
@BehindTheGoldenCurtain
Still waiting on the prodigy to actually work.
I bought the Echelon just to try it out. Got a great deal on a case of ammo from Bud’s Gun Shop and had no failures.
I was so impressed with the pistol I sold my Glock 17 and purchased a second Echelon as a backup.
Dam, that's a bold statement
I emailed Flux Defense, they said they are interested in making one for the Echelon, however they need to wait until theres a lot more Echelons in the wild/longer length of time since it got released.
Springfield Armory motto:
"Why make your firearms when you can just import them?"
Right... and Rob Leatham and the American SA team had nothing to do with the design. 🙄
Who cares? The hs2000 was dead until sa picked them up and it led us to the echelon.
Springfield Armory the FIRST name in American Firearms.... made in Croatia. I wish HS Produkt could get away from the tacky SA and just distribute their stuff on their own.
@@hks956 I'm not sure you understand how distribution works, and that America is a country largely built on international trade. Next time you look at your Glock, you'll notice that the frame says "Made in Austria," and then underneath it "Glock USA, Smyrna, GA." HS could go to the trouble of setting up "HS USA," but SA stepped up and made it happen for US distribution. But the SA team also had a hand in the DESIGN of the Echelon, so ... 🤷
lol :D
That answer to running a polymer pistol hits close to home😅 "Bankruptcy and I have no choice!"
Probably a great option for someone who's looking to buy something and be done. I have been in both camps. Sometimes i want to build and tinker , piece together what i want , and that end product will be better for me than even these newer guns that are getting better out of the box.
It is not as reliable as a Glock. I had the same issue with it that I have with the 320. When I got to 1400 rounds, the FCU got gunky and I began to have malfuntions. I had to pull the FCU and drown it in CLP and then was good for another 600 rounds before I experienced the same problem. I then cleaned it and sold it on Gunbroker. For me, reliablity is king so Glock, S&W, HK and Walther are in the circle of trust. The Echelon is probably fine for people that shoot a couple of time of year. It did not hold up to higher round counts just like the SIg.
CZ is my circle of trust. If I gotta just grab one and go it's gonna be my CZ P10c
bullshit lies bro don't post for likes people have shot over 5k rounds no problems
Man you need to learn how to clean your firearms if your fcu is “gunky” and malfunctioning at 1400 rnds. My echelon has been cleaned 2 times in a little over 5k rounds and I have zero malfunctions. This also feels like a comment from someone who doesnt own an echelon and wants to hate. The fcu doesnt gunk up at all due to the placement and mechanics of the firearm. Small layer of carbon after 1000 rnds?sure. I love my glocks but you could baby wipe this thing in 2 seconds after every 1k rnds and youd never see a malfunction
FLUX DEFENSE - If you see this, please make a Raider for this. Seriously, I’ll buy 2 of them yesterday.
As far as the Echelon on its own, I got one a bit after its release and I would do it again. I have 1200rds through it with zero issues. No regrets. If you’re someone on the fence, at it’s price, it’s a solid polymer handgun.
Agreed on both comments dude glad you’ve enjoyed yours and if flux makes one whhhhew that would be dope
Amen. I second that on both comments. I have the P320 flux but would ditch it for an Echelon flux (plus buy two more echelons - 1 with the threaded barrel). It is an awesome gun.
- Cost of a Glock 17: depends on whether or not you get Blue Label or not (a non- LE/ Military etc. person can get Blue Label pricing also btw)
Blue Label: $390's-$400
Non Blue Label: $600'ish
- Talon tape: $19-$25
or...
- Roll of hockey tape: $10
- Undercut: your dremel and about 30 minutes time
- Slide cut for RMR footprint: $120-$145 (Wager Machine Works)
- Sight swap, depending on which you want:
$65 for Dawsons (both front and rear)
- Extended Glock slide stop: $20 tax & shipping included
- If you want a magwell: $65-$100 depending on which one
- +2 mag extensions: $13 each
Total: $950.50 (at highest cost points, with improved features)
$1,520.50 (w/ X300 & 407C)
Total: $698.00 (at lowest cost points, with improved features)
- Total: $613.00 (setup equivalent to Echelon, w/out improved features)
$1,183.00 (w/ X300 & 407C)
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SA echelon: $510
Holosun 407C: $250
Surefire X300U-A: $320
X300U-B: $260
Total: $1080
So reality is... the cost to get a Glock "up to an Echelon's level"... is really not enough of a difference to make a difference, ($100).
Just thought about throwing that out there as well for anyone to know.
is it a dumb question to ask how you get blue label pricing if you're not LE?
Nice review! I rented one shortly after they hit the shelves & put 100rds through it. I'm not a fan of polymer, but I preferred it over just about everything else duty sized & polymer, except HK. We've come along way in this category, though, and that is certainly a good thing. 👍👍
I bought mine a month after it came out. I shot over 2000 rounds through it. It has a Holosun 508t, streamlight TLR-1 and have had zero malfunctions, no stove pipes, no failure to feed, nothing. It has been my EDC. I plan to get a threaded barrel for it, magwell and some tartan-tactical base plates or Springer Precision magwell and base plates. Maybe a new trigger but so far this trigger has only gotten better. I’ve owned a lot of Glocks and this one is trully a Glock killer. Thanks for the video guys!
The video editor needs a raise. This videos are awesome.
Great information thanks
I'm very excited about picking up my new Springfield Echelon
I bought mine several months ago…approximately 300 rounds and no malfunctions…I have medium to large hands…feels great/shoots great…I put a Holosun 507C on it/love the VIS…the gun has lived up to the hype.
5000 rounds through my Echelon with a 509T optic and a modlite for the flashlight. Replaced the 17 round base with a +3 from Taran Tactical. ZERO MALFUNCTIONS. This gun is my go to and I would recommend it to anyone that wants something in the polymer/striker fired realm.
Over 3000 rounds through mine zero malfunctions. Primarily blazer brass, used 125 and 115 gr. Some PMC also. i’d say about 90% of time I also get birthday bump.
Birthday bump,, my HK VP9 does the same thing when you insert a new mag. I actually prefer it and VP9 would be my favorite gun if I didn't ride the slide release every time I shoot it. Just picked up the Echelon but haven't been able to shoot it yet. Great content as always with you guys!
I have had mine for about 10 months. Have about 1200 rounds through it. One malfunction due to ammunition. Was shooting reloads and a round didn’t chamber as a primer wasn’t fully seated and it did not go into battery. 100% besides this issue. The Echelon was 100%. I have a Holosun EPS MRS optic on it and carry it in a Tulster holster out of Texas. Great holster. Would recommend this gun to anyone considering it.
I know its a been a year but i think "out of the box" you should compare the Echelon with the m&p 2.0 with their new trigger because these things being priced ~equally with grip texture, optic cuts, triggers, and sight options and ambi controls they are both best bang for you buck.
Nah you can get a vp9 for 499 now, or a shadow systems foundation
@@randyreviewsitShadow systems has a mixed record, and the VP9 optics ready is usually closer to 700-750 on the low end
@@TheRancor53 I have approaching 10k rounds through my shadows with no issues, I have gotten most of my elites for under 700 and the foundation series can be had for less.
@@randyreviewsityou’re one of the few I know, malfunctioning cr920 was horrible and pattern of unreliability just search for vids. VP9 is solid but again, all in an M&P tacpac deal is 500 and the new trigger is fine. 650 max with an Apex.
@@TheRancor53I got two tac pacs in right now I am testing the m&p 2.0 compact and the shield plus. The m&p is way too aggressive to carry against your skin. The shield plus actually feels alright. Still have to see how it shoots though.
I'm a new pistol owner, and I bought this and their Emissary (which would be cool for you guys too review) and while I'm not a frequent range guy, between myself and 2 others, its had around only 3-400 rounds including hand loaded stuff, with zero malfunctions.
Excellent man!
I love my 45's but I just bought the Echelon & shot it yesterday & man I love this pistol! Smooth action, nice trigger & the VIS optics system is a game changer. I bought a Holosun 507 & dropped right on no problem and with the sight sitting lower ( not on a plate ), it co-witnesses with the iron sights. I lined up the dot with the irons & was hitting my target with the 1st rounds fired. The Echelon may be replacing my XDm 45 as my EDC!
I will eventually pick one of these up, ive handled one and dry fired it at my local gun shop. I was not impressed w the trigger, hopefully it gets better once broken in.
Bought it first day haven’t put it down yet. Minimal felt recoil for a polymer pistol out the box imo. Literally made this my side arm for training days. Round count…uhhh I lost count 😂 good video guys!
Hey that’s awesome man glad you’re enjoying it
@@Chrisblau Thank brother! Happy Tuesday and much blessings to you.
Just a note, I have a CZ P10F that does the “birthday bump” as you call it. It also FTFs on flat nose rounds, often enough I’ve stopped carrying it.
Echelon became the best 9mm out of the box hands down! Great job springfield 💯
Cool video great editing 👌😎
Thanks!!
Thanks for posting, i have subscribed to your channel twice, and it's very weird that Im not unsubscribing
Hmmmm bizarre
Seems like a nice pistol and perhaps it’s modularity is it’s main selling point, similar to the P320, but better.
I sold mine not because it was bad on the contrary it was amazing I just wanted a staccato and didn’t feel like being as patient
Great video guys, I'm not big on full time ambi mag releases becase my grip impedes the button, but it seems like an ok option. I wouldn't sell a pistol to buy it, but may be a good first time buyer option.
Love mine so far I probably have about 500- 600 ish rounds through it. Only had an issue with a mag extension because I put the metal plate on incorrectly so my rounds fell out. Obviously a simple fix.
I bought an echelon for testing and did a review on it, while I think it’s a decent gun. My shadow systems, hk’s, and my px4’s are all better.
One of the reasons I started watching your channel way back in the day, is I think you guys do a fair assessment of things. You guys did a solid review in this video.
I disagree and I think the echelon is a better gun
I love mine, I stopped counting at 1000 rounds (zero malfunctions). I am curious what the Icarus grips are going to look like. I am looking forward to other grip modules and slides being made available.
An Echelon variant with the Pro SD treatment would be cool. Give it a factory upgraded trigger, 5" threaded barrel (in both 1/2x28 with the Hellcat dimple for the RDP compensator system and the objectively superior M13.5x1LH for suppressor connaisseurs. And not 5.1" or 5.2" as it should stay legal with most competitive rulebooks that ask for 5" flat) and maybe a factory magwell. And ship it with 4 large magazines that have bombproof floorplates. Plus an enlarged slide stop lever, but just on the left side where most right handed people want.
Red dot cowitnessing height irons (so lower than full suppressor height) with a fiber optic front, a tungsten guide rod and steel chassis would also be cool, at least as upgrade parts.
I have been interested in a duty pistol and was hung up on walther pdp but didn’t care for the beefy slide cuts. Also price point was an issue. The Glock 19 was my next choice but only for my ability to shoot it very well, but hate the look of glock. I watched your video along with all the others about this echelon and like this enough to give it a buy. Thank you guys for the great reviews.
From an edc echelon carrier the textures isn’t to aggressive at all still great shooter too I love it honestly it’s my favorite I own so far
I’m looking forward to an Fde version but worse case there’s rattle cans for the frame haha
My first two 1911's were Spelringfields. A stainless GI spec that had a trigger job and commander hammer, that my grandfather had done when he bought it (it was still new in the box when I bought it from my father) My second was the stainless TRP.
Both guns were and still are phenomenal. The guys at the Springfield Custom Shop have ALWAYS treated me with service that is above and beyond. Everytime.
I know there is some political heat they took awhile back, but I think most of the hits to their reputation is mostly from people who just don't know what their fucking talking about. I have never hesitated to recommend their products or service. For the money, there are almost none better. Glad to see that people are seeing it.
As for polymer guns, the only two I've even liked even a little were the Smith & Wessin M&P's and the Springfield XDM's. Guess I'll have to check out the Echelon.
The review was different guy's, but a good one. Keep 'em coming.
With Glock's lack of innovation, it doesn't take much to dethrone a Glock.
That joke has been making the rounds for years, but Glock has yet to be dethroned.
Who dethroned Glock? It definitely isn't the Echelon. There's plenty of polymer striker fired guns that are nicer than Glock but they aren't going anywhere anytime soon.
Glock innovates a lot! They took a 17 and shortened the slide and dust cover! Then they took the 45 and lengthed the slide to match the 17 again! Look, so much innovation!😂
@Kosem72 "no need to innovate" isnt even a defence, its just a false statement. Firearms didn't peak in the 1910s, they didn't peak in the 1930s, and they didnt peak in the 1980s either.
_But more importantly than that_ we aren't MARSOC. Its not viable for a civilian to carry an M4 with them everywhere, so the handgun is almost always _OUR_ primary weapon. You might be able to carry a rifle in your truck or car, but carrying one into Wal-Mart costs you a lot of time and possibly getting shot by some of your county's "finest".
@Kosem72 modular chassis, suppressor ready models, a proper magazine. These are all things glock could do but they don't. They retexture the same gun and change the length. Back when glock was the only game in town that was fine, but they're not, and I should have to spend hundreds of dollars making my overpriced pistol competitive with other offerings.
Lol. I am a 1911 guy. I bought the Echelon before it was the cool gun to own. I usually sell plastic guns within a few months. I can't seam to want to let this one go. It has everything needed without the bullshit.
I’m planning on buying my first gun tomorrow or at least here very soon. And I’m leaning toward getting this, looks like a good solid, reliable hand gun and good first gun that I don’t have spend a bunch money on.
Once again gents, great review. The birthday bump that you refer to is a feature that was built into the Pro Series CORE (Combat Optics Ready Equipment) pistols from Smith & Wesson. This was when the red dot on pistol craze was just taking off. I like it because it takes one movement out of the battery of arms and reloads are fast af. S&W removed that feature in the proceeding models and I haven’t seen it in any other until the Echelon.
1911 Syndicate reviewing something I can actually afford!! Letsss GOOOOOO!!!
I ain’t buying one anyway. The Echelon seems cool but it doesn’t fill any role my current polymer framed 9mm pistols don’t. If I lose my G19 and VP9 in a house fire, maybe I’ll get one. 🤣
House fire? I always thought a Glock could survive a nuclear blast. At least that’s what I’ve heard some fan boys say. 😂
Solid video guys.
Thanks brother. Need to get together here in the QC
Great review can’t wait to see yall review on the Walther PDP Steel frame 4.5 inch
Instead of trying to dethrone Glock. Springfield and other would be wise to establish a history and pedigree like Glock has. You will never be able to “kill” the legacy and history of THE law enforcement gun of America.
I rented one with an optic at my local range and *put about 250 rounds through it.
It was fine, no failures but I just wasn’t impressed.
I’m a Walther guy and a bit of a trigger snob so maybe that’s why 🤷🏾♂️
Preach.
I’m not a fan of Glock but there will NEVER be a pistol that will be called a Glock killer. The market is flooded with Glock aftermarket parts. Anything new that comes out for a gun is usually made for a Glock first.
Poly striker guns just don't get me excited anymore these days. I saw this drop and thought wow, how original. After seeing reviews on exactly what this pistol has out of the box, it would sit very high on my list if I was in the market. great review guys.
I've been watching some of the videos reviewing Springfield Echelon trying to find out if this thing of releasing a slide when you are inserting the magazine with out hitting the slide release is an issue that other people have found in their echelons but unfortunately I didn't get it. but it's an issue that I like because it's like a new feature to me😂😂😂😂
I would appreciate if you can come back and tell us that issue is something that persist even today or it's something that happened that time when you was reviewing the gun or other reviewers have found visible problem.
Very excited for this one! Help out us poor boys 😂
I held the Echelon once and was hooked. It's lightweight, ergonomic, a soft shooter and as stated, a customized gun from the factory. The glock-like pointing angle takes adjustment depending on what you normally shoot. Not as natural a pointer as something like the CZ P10. Overall, a bargain at sub $600.
4K rounds through mine so far and not a single malfunction.
Took the Echelon plunge myself and couldn’t be happier. Currently have a bit over 700 rounds in mine. No problems of any kind. Absolutely fantastic peice.
I have one. Got it when they first came out. Been flawless so far. Under 1k rounds though so far. I like it better than my glocks and I have 24 of those. All said though I carry a staccato
@1911 Syndicate - I think that Springfield makes some nice 1911s. However, I'm never going to buy one (some will know why). However, I'm really confused. Jake doesn't like polymer pistols? What? Doesn't he adore HK? I don't understand. I LOVE HK pistols. I have seven. How can you dislike polymer pistols, but love HK pistols? Again, I'm really confused.
Man i have 6 of yall videos to catch up on todays a good day. But also sad because i have the bell notification on and havent received not one dang notification. The havent even had you guys on my feed.
I’ve put exactly 400 rounds through mine (all white box Winchester) and have had zero malfunctions. I really like this firearm. It feels like a custom Glock 17…but better. I have a TLR-1 HL and a Holosun 407C and am really considering making it my nightstand gun over my G19 MOS with the same outfit.
Great video. I am considering the Water PDP, but this caused me to take a good look at the Echelon before making a buying decision.
I picked one up and like it. But because I'm used to the P320 and PDP grip angles, I can't acclimate easily to the nose-up presentation. Also an EPS optic with a CHPWS plate (fills the front and rear gaps) puts the dot a little closer to the front sight post than I would prefer. Looking forward to training with it more though!
I got mine and out a 507c on it. Zero complaints at all from me.
great content. always like straight and good info. thank you
Owned one for almost a year. It’s an outstanding gun.
love my Echelon. Only issue was the 20rnd magazine wasn't put together correctly, would fall apart during reloads. SA sent me a replacement, no issues since.
Honestly, a good amount of guns beat stock Glocks.
Glock would've been dead years ago if they didn't have a cult following lol
It is fun/funny watching channels you don't expect to like it like it. These are likely the best endorsement as they are not industry cheerleaders.
This is extremely kind of you to say and we really appreciate the kind words sir 👊🏼👊🏼
Beretta APX A1 has a modular frame/FCU
I’ve noticed that if you jam a mag in with purpose it’ll drop the slide. If you insert it with less authority it won’t. I don’t know if this is on purpose or not but I’m not mad at it. I don’t even need to think about it. So I choose to consider it a feature instead of a happy accident.
Yes that’s on purpose it’s called a birthday bump. Some companies do that some don’t
@@Chrisblau Well who ever came up with that idea I’d like to shake their hand. It just makes sense from competition to self defense.
@@nicksouthwell9393 yeah the only argument some people make is potential for a malfunction but that can be argued with anything and fixed with technique and training like anything 🤷🏼♂️
Echelon vs Shadow Systems would be an interesting comparison. I've been thinking of getting a polymer as I skipped them and went straight to 2011 when I went into this crazy world. Once I manage to get ahold of a CZ Shadow 2 compact, I'll have to figure out Echelon or Shadow Systems, so I can experience the Glock world without actually touching one.
I have a bunch of shadow systems and did a review of the echelon, the shadows stayed the echelon didn’t. The echelon is very good though, shadow is just better
I prefer the echelon over the shadow systems. I just feel the echelon is higher quality and had a better trigger out of the box. I did really like the SS grip though. The frame tolerances on the SS were not good IMO. If I swapped my mag release to the lefty side it would not lock back. The frame pins also felt a bit loose in the SS and some of the glock trigger kits had fitment issues.
as a small handed and left handed shooter, the slidfe release/lock works great for me. and i struggle ALOT with other slide releases
I don't usually interested in full size pistol but I would consider Echelon when it release in CA soon. Great reviews
Ehhhhhh video was kool....Echelon 2.5k rounds no malfunctions nd I think I'll get to 5k with no problem maybe even just one we'll see. But so far very solid. Only thing different with mine is I have slide cuts and it's sniper Grey nd black
When a new pistol comes out, there's no way. You could say that this is the Glock killer or anything like that. Because the only thing that's gonna prove that is time.
Pdp vs echelon
I chose pdp but curious on what you guys think
I have one and love it. The only thing i didnt like is the polymer guide rod. So i put in a steel one. I do that with all of mine that have that. That's just me being nit-picky, though. I think it is a fantastic firearm.
Really enjoying your videos. I was really hoping not too. But yall entertain everytime,dang yAll I'm trying to sleep.
Thanks. I think?
Hahaha
I hate how polymer pistols call themselves "Glock Killers" when really, they are just "Glock Innovators".
They can't be without Glock.
1911s CAN be Glock killers because they are something other than striker-fired polymer pistols.
It is its own thing.
So while innovators do Glock better, Glock did it bigger.
Same with 1911s.
Been great!… ate up everything I’ve thrown at it ….. solid 💯
Good video I feel like I got a true unbiased review thier is alot of very biased gun RUclipsrs who are influencers I think most people who watch gun reviews no who they are.
One of the best gun reviews channels I’ve came across
Hate to tell you but Glock got kicked off the throne years ago. Try a pdp and get back with us.
I shot an Echelon last year at a local range competition where we had to shoot one round with our own pistol, one with a Glock 19 and the third with an Echelon. My first impression picking it up was that it felt plasticky, but I shot that damn thing better than I shot my own VP9. I might have to consider one at some point. Hands down it was a better pistol for me than the Glock.
I am with you on "pay to upgrade". If it's not solid right out of the box, why are we even here?!
It looks good and about time they brought it something good. Looks like that malfunction was from the slide closing before the mag was seated all the way. Kinda like how the slide was going home while jake was reloading