HALO SHOW CANCELLED!? | There's more to it than that.
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- In this episode: We discuss the recent emergent news that Paramount+ have dropped the Halo TV show, but that this doesn't mean the show is dead, and may actually be extraordinarily good news for everyone involved, including the fans.
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"For us, the storm has passed, the war is over."
Were it so easy
Tool
@@jonathanbates9928 "We trade one villain for another"
@@lukethomas.125 "and so, you (paramount+) must be silenced"
@@kael345 "I will have my revenge. On a prophet, not a plague"
Halo show needs a reset.
I know it had its fans, but a large population of viewers were watching out of pain (myself included) because we so desperately want some sort of Halo content. Years we've been seeing the fan made content, and had the canceled Neil Blomkamp movie, only to be treated with something so far removed from the game and lore itself.
Being canceled is a good thing, since it opens up a chance to reboot the series for real, under different leadership and management, and can actually give the audience the experience of Halo's story on screen. Already the game has finally begun a reset (not Infinite) to go back to its roots to test the waters. Same can go for the other media.
The problem I have with this perspective is it was well set up for season 3
@jordanclark4635 things are often set up, abandoned and reset. Looking at films like Batman, Superman, Spiderman. Set up, mediocre sometimes but also can come out much better with a remake
@Nighthorde26 Every game since Halo 4 was a soft reboot, I'm okay with the show following in those footsteps, in this particular case.
Saying it 'was set up for a season 3' just means 'they planned to continue the story' and.... yeah, they clearly weren't done. It just isn't a story, or interpretation at least, worth continuing. When you adapt a popular franchise and the fans of that franchise are the smallest portion of your audience, you should re-evaluate.
@@Nighthorde26 💯
If you don't like it STOP WATCHING IT. All you're doing is giving them money to continue it
League Of Legends Arcane basically took the canon and expanded upon it, gets Emmy award...
With Halo they pulled a Game of Thrones season 8.
Arcane is quite literally operating on a seperate canon from the original League lore and has done so for cinematic purposes, the exact same reason the silver timeline is different from the original halo one.
Most of you guys can identify a show you don't like but aren't able to say what make a good one and it's exhausting to read
@@viziontrex I’m pretty sure I read somewhere that riot has confirmed that arcane is canon to the main league of legends universe now
@viziontrex Tell me you know nothing about Leagues lore without telling me.
Rings of POWA vibes
@@viziontrex I personally, don't like the silver timeline because what they did wasn't make a new timeline, they wrote a completely different story that only used the superficial look of halo
The show doesn't take place in an alternate timeline, an alternate timeline, in most media, just means that there's some differences here and there, but it follows a similar main story, and the major parts of the original timeline's story still happen, this one, is closer to an alternate universe in media, it's the same 'characters' in terms of like, the same body, the same look, many may have similar personalities, but it's a far different story, and that's what I think has so many people pissed off
The covenant never would have allowed a human into their ranks because Humans were the reclaimers, and the High Prophets were trying to hide that, which is why they were exterminating the humans, the very idea of letting a human work with them was Heresy, because it violated their beliefs in the original.
John, never, in the games, until the Halo 4 Legendary ending, removed his helmet. Never before, and Never after has it done it in a game. Hell, even in most media except this new timeline, has he ever removed his helmet where the audience has seen it, in fact, I'm pretty sure only a select few people that we ever meet in the games even know what his face looks like, and it's probably Cortana, Halsey, and maybe Johnson. Mandalorian already showed that it worked, Vader did it to, if they were going to do a face reveal, it should have been a moment like what they did in Mandalorian, not for the same reasons, not recreating the scene, but have it as a big moment, a form of character development, him showing that he's not a machine, but an actual human, instead of doing it with that stupid emotional inhibitor chip thing or whatever it was.
TL:DR they changed a huge amount of the story of Halo without making that clear beforehand, and a lot of people were hoping for, something like the story of the games, or just the human covenant war in general as a tv series, and instead we got a completely different story about a completely different main character that just has master chiefs armor essentially
I think if they do it has to be all new cast. Start all over again. Pablo and most of the cast were fine actors, I just don’t think I can take them seriously anymore in their roles.
Keep Joseph Morgan as Ackerson though, I think.
That sounds like you didn't watch the entirety of season 2. They were incredible.
My pick is have a suit actor, stick to the tradition of never showing his face, and have him be voiced over by Steve Downes like James Earl Jones/Darth Vader
@@Ch4osWe4veR I would fucking love that so much!
@@Ch4osWe4veR This was such an obvious and simple thing to do it is baffling they didn't do it, anyone with 2 braincells and knowing Halo would know that is pretty much the only way to make Chief in Live Action. Animated yeah sure you might show his face a bit (mostly because you can make him look exactly how he is supposed to) but in live action, giving him a real person's face just doesn't work.
I'm glad it was shut down by this provider, it was done in every way wrong, and I'm hoping it's picked up by someone who gives a crap about the lore and doesn't make chief look like a teen boy with a bleeding heart love interest...
Agreed
I truly hope we get some of that original Halo feel, like Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn and Halo: Nightfall. They may not be the best, but they should have set a minimum standard for making an accurate Halo TV show.
@filip9587 you're not wrong, such things made Master Chief what he truly was. That scene against the hunter was better than anything in the "Halo TV series"
I liked the 2nd season.
1:06 p.m. Master Chief: "I need a weapon." Amazon Prime: "Right this way!"😅💀💯🫡
We are never going to see halo on screen ever again because of this.
If this is the best we were ever going to possibly get? That’s a good thing
Too many Halo chefs in the TV show production soup.
Theyve only themselves to blame. The fans begged and pleaded and we were given a stiff middle finger. This will stop happening when people start giving the franchise the respect it deserves instead of giving us "their vision".
For what it's worth, some do not like Todd Howard and the direction he took Fallout games and what they have become and same goes for the Elder Scrolls. What Halo TV needs, are some of the writers of Halo games (bungie and early 343) to help with the writing or give input, much like what Todd Howard does and did for the Fallout TV show. There needs to be people there that knows what Halo was all about, understands the lore and can present it in a way that isn't a backhand to the older fan base, while also trying to bring in new fans as well.
They also need to stop with the hiring of the wrong people to play the characters and stop re-writing characters to fit a different role. The existing characters from the franchise should be off limits to role changes.
@@Ratkill9000Not getting involved but to share my experience, it would seem the majority of people dislike the Howard era pretty strongly
@@ThommyofThennTodd’s games are good games regardless of what people want to bitch and whine about. The most recent aren’t great, I’m talking about the old ones. We could do without Todd but he definitely didn’t butcher the fuck out of the series like 343 had
@@MorganNull-uj6uu Halo 4 was pretty good. But 5 was the last one I bought. Was waiting for Infinite to be released with split-screen co-op, but since that didn't happen, said screw it.
@@Ratkill9000 Halo 4 was dope. The multiplayer was ass but that’s fine. Story was good.
They had so many books and games to base the show off of but noooooooooooooo
They actually quite clearly did base it on the books in a way. Just pulling different elements from different books to make a new narrative. Might not be the best quality, but the book influence it there, not the games though really unfortunately.
And if they followed the books/games 1-1, they'd get flak for not doing anything 'new'. They did something new, and got flak for it.... they really couldn't win.
@@Tank50us Ayo I dunno who the flip-flakkity-flap would moan and and groan about a book and lore followed series of movies/tv shows would get flak for "not being original".
But since I first read Fall of Reach, First Strike, The Flood, and Ghosts of Onyx I have been DYING to see those stories made into a adaption on screen. *_DYING_*
But this "non-canon" silver-verse moose dropping of a thing. Was not it. And the action of the spartans on screen was nauseating and affected my vertigo; and 99% of FPS games and combat action games along with flight sims don't do that. Forward Unto Dawn, Fall of Reach mini webisodes, Halo Reach live action trailers, Halo cutscenes, and Halo Wars cutscenes actually pulled off spartan movement really well despite some corny and questionable scenes from time to time.
If they had made a good series and actually had more episodes than 8 in a "season", they would've had it in the bag. They COULD'VE "won". But for the weight of their heresy . . . . .
@@Tank50us I see this argument a lot and for me it would hold water if there weren't so many stupid decisions made with the lore surrounding events in the show for no tangible reason and the production team wasn't actively avoiding learning anything about what was good about the games story and the deep details about it
@@corbinshults4466I don't see how it's based on the books at all. I've done fall of reach up to ghosts of onyx. Contact harvest, cole protocol, silent storm trilogy and kilo 5 trilogy and I do not see how in any way the show was ever faithful to these books. I mean they couldn't even get chiefs armour right
My guy, this isn’t a blank slate. This is an inherited mess. The flood is already discovered on Onyx, Sorens son still kidnapped, the arbiter is dead. The general sentiment is the show is cheeks. Thinking anyone other streaming service to have a show that needs a second reboot in its 3rd season. Thats some Installation C00pium
…..Soren’s son is back with him? They got out.
You forgot the fact that Halsey is infected by the flood and pretty much dead by all intents and purposes of the show.
The only 2 outcomes I can see from this are that either she takes Keyes's place as the protogravemind wich would need them to be able to get from onyx to the halo as a really big plot convenience.
Or her daughter actually manages to cure her, wich would break the whole point of the halo and upset the fan base further.
This show just cannot stop writing itself into a corner and I really don't get how are people still thinking there's a chance for a comeback
@@makairidah8354because, in installations words “the human story” or some shit
Also makee is still there. Dont remember cheif having a gf in ce except cortana
@@makairidah8354 Yeah, and I keep seeing people saying they did the Flood justice, I find they ruined it as well. They turned what is supposed to be the biggest plot twist of the story into "yeah so now there's zombies on the ship". Like, dear f*cking lord there's 1 level, ONE level in the whole franchise that is used in frigging CINEMA SCHOOL to illustrate how to make a story twist and how to do environmental story-telling, and they just ignored it and gave us zombies (with a few tentacles).
This show is just trash from begining to end.
If Amazon picks Halo up, this show needs to be completely forgotten and they need to start anew with a focus on maintaining the standards they set with Fallout: deep respect to the lore and stories, interesting well written characters, and a robust budget.
Fallout was a bad TV show. It relied heavily on Fallout iconography to sell itself as a Fallout TV show while ignoring the story and dialogue. Basically point to a BoS and say OMG it's BoS.
I wouldn't give this to Amazon either. Not after The Expanse, honestly all sci-fi works need a dedicated studio that can actually dedicate the necessary budgets to the projects.
Stop fucking saying deep respect of the lore when the Fallout show is an original story within the universe and isn't beholden to the same sort of storytelling Halo has
You're right that Fallout was a good show. But it was a good show for entirely different reasons as to why the Halo show was not as much.
Fallout show sucked lmao
@@viziontrex still Fallout if I say so myself has better potential than halo series
Good it never should have been made by people who never played the games or read the books
Should have been made by halo fans for halo fans
Entitlement goes insane
They had new writers from season 2, who had played the game. Stop letting your grudge prevent you from watching.
@@nosai10 Season 2 was noticeably better than 1 (imo) I'm bummed it it's over I was interested to see where it was going to go. And regardless people lose jobs when shows shut down too.
If I were Amazon Prime, I'd abandon the current show altogether. Not only does it suck at abysmal levels, but from a business standpoint, picking up such a poorly written show is risky. The reviews are mixed at most and all the scenes that don't make sense will require some serious rhetorical gymnastics to fix and patch up.
NOW, if they started fresh, here are some ideas I have:
- The original trilogy, following the game's plot closely.
- A story about a marine/ODST during the events of Halo.
- A story about a civilian trying to escape New Alexandria / New Mombasa.
- OR, look into the source material. Perhaps one of the many books can be adapted, or pieces of the lore can be portrayed.
LOTS OF POTENTIAL TO BE HAD.
If amazon does pick it up, a smaller storyline in the halo universe would be a good idea to build interest in the universe again and they wouldn't need the huge budget the main story would need.
I would love to see an adaptation of the Halo: The Flood book. It does a really good job of expanding on the first game
The problem is that they want to be game of thrones (like Witcher did), even tho once you get on the Halo, you absolutly CAN'T make a character-driven story, the whole of Hale CE is a plot-driven narrative from begining to end. Then in Halo 2 you have more room for politics, religious fanatism and all that stuff and 3 you can really make it about the characters as well as the plot. But the events on the Halo should be dedicated to presenting the setting, presenting the mystery of the Forerunners and Flood and establishing the Covenant as a threat, plus laying the ground work for the main characters (Cortana, Chief, Johnson, Guilty-Spark), most of the character stuff in the events of CE should be with marines, but the big characters should be focussed on the mission and how to progress the plot.
I would get prime if they would get halo
Game: has an amazing story
Show: hey what if we do this
That's just a no-name writer (team) who never got to tell the stories they want because they are shit so like parisites they infect and hijack an already established story they are asked to adapt to television.
Same thing happened with Witcher, same thing happened with Acolyte.
It's not "hey what if", it is "I don't give a f*ck I'll tell the story I want"
As long as the people who allowed the sex scene and Chief going around without his helmet the entire show remain in the project, it will continue to fail, because they CLEARLY are completely out of touch with what Halo is.
@@retr0pearce765 couldn’t agree more! 💯
Lmfao they aren't making it for Halo fans. How many fans do you think there are? Compared to 3 billion consumers in Asia it's nothing.
@@ericyoung3480they already left in season 1. Give the season 2 writers a chance.
The evil has been defeated
Also, nothing of value was lost
The fact that I’m so happy to hear this news tells me just how bad the show was. I’ve been dying for an accurate Halo movie/show adaptation ever since CE back in ‘01. I have always wanted to see Chief on the small or big screen portrayed in a way that’s faithful and respectful to the source material. For me, it’s such a bummer and disappointment with the abomination and trash we were fed with this show. Halo really needs a W and it’s a shame those at 343 responsible for putting the show together *cough* Kiki wolfkill/Frank O’Connor *cough* only continue to drag down this incredible franchise even further :(
Bro is mad his funko pops didn't come with soy
No way in hell paramount + has been around since 2014. The first I heard of it was 2020.
I had the same thought, so I looked it up. Turns out it was called CBS All Access until 2021
Halo should be rebooted and new better writers and just stick to the cannon please don’t try to wam bam it just give us what we liked so much in the game and books
The writers do what they're told. You don't demand the programmers be replaced when a videogame sucks. The economic system produced this not individuals
I shilled for the show early on, but it became clear that the creators had ZERO interest in actually giving us a REAL Halo tv show. They wanted to give us something else and called it Halo. The sad part is, they already had all the pieces to make an amazing show. Instead they chose not to, and do something else.
For example, If I was in charge... Season 1: John start off with Noble Team on Reach, then during the Fall of reach, each member of Noble Teams sacrifices themselves to help Master Chief and Cortana escape reach, then ended Season 1 with them finding Halo.
Season 2: The entire Halo Combat Evolved Game, ending with Master Chief escaping Halo.
Season 3: The entire Halo 2 and ODST Games, this would give the show two different stories to focus on while being lore faithful.
Season 4: Halo 3 Game up until the Flood crash land on earth when the Ark opens.
Season 5: The last half of Halo 3, ending with John and Cortana out in space waiting for rescue.
Tbh, this has been how 343 has been handling Halo since 2010. They have all this established lore and set pieces that Bungie left for them, and they refuse to use them to their full potential.
It's like a three way train wreck. Can't stop watching but it's so horrible.
@@Tetrohedracon for season 7: you could go for the books. Flood, forerunner wars or first contact.
For season 8 maybe halo 4 with story fr the books to make it more interesting. Like bad blood so we could see rookies dead NOT OFFSCREEN or in a book.
Season 9: I don’t know how to save Halo 5 lol, there is so much info dump to do so the story gets decent.
Season 10: halo wars 1-2 and maybe some created vs human wars.
Season eleven: Infinite.
“We didn’t look at the game, We didn’t talk about the game” -Steven Kane, S1 Producer
The Silver Timeline needs to just die and never come back. I would be all for Prime picking up and making a FAITHFUL adaptation of the Halo lore. I think there's plenty of content to make a solid first season with the first game and the additional content provided in the book The Flood. Throw in some flashback storytelling for some of the relevant bits in The Fall of Reach and you've got a blockbuster.
"Its finished, Master Cheeks, Quan, the entire TV Show.."
"No, I think we're just getting started."
Legit, these things are a numbers game - the shows cancelled because it didnt make paramount the money nor the views / subscribers that they were after. It's just business there's literally no other reason to get rid of a show - it's down to money at the end of the day nothing else really.
Thank you for not speaking in copium like every other Halo RUclipsr. I don’t understand the language. I can’t learn it because like you, I actually have a grip on reality
Pls create an animated version of Halo. PLEASE…. Your content is top tier and deserves recognition
@@Jack-ox3rd I don’t have the time or money to do an entire halo movie in my style. My shorts are as close as I’ll get to doing a full thing with the free time I have
@@HaloVFX Lol how much money and how many ppl do would you need
Installation 00 enough with the copium man... The show is dead because it turns out bastardizing a well-known and beloved franchise and disrespecting the source material, all the while alienating your fans isn't the way to make a good product. Why you were defending this crap so much despite being a lore channel, I haven't a clue
They should just pick it up in season 3 as a bad dream by real master chief and make an actually good show
Hearing "Master Cheeks" come out of the mouth of such an educated, cultured, and refined human being honestly has to be the funniest thing I have heard/seen in ages. Thanks for that, 00. Getting serious, I didn't hate the show. I just wish they had stuck to the books and games closer. Exploring all of the things you mentioned like the human cost of a conflict like the war fought against the covenant is great, but they should have just kept with the characters and story that we all have come to know and love. They would have had an instant W if they had. Again, I didn't hate the show, play definitely came to appreciate it in its own context and right, but they really should have kept to the source material. I honestly hate to see anyone or anything fail...
The problem with the show was that the writers and producers didn’t realize they were supposed to be making a war story. If I were in charge, I would’ve made them play the first 4 games, and then watch Band of Brothers, the last four seasons of Star Trek DS9, Starship Troopers, and Aliens.
@@Super_Middleman forgetting Halo 4 but ok
@@hylianwolf6 I was referring to Halo 1,2,3, and Reach.
These writers have no idea how to write military fiction as a whole, forget the Human-Covenant War. Zero respect for ranks, no one salutes, insubordination isn't even acknowledged, idiotic tactics and strategies, etc. The characters may wear a uniform but they absolutely do not behave as military personnel. So glad the 'toxic fans' got vindicated once again with another series that shat the bed with a beloved IP.
Don't forget the books--make them read the books.
Why last 4 of Ds9? The actual war doesn't start until the last 2. Also the writers aren't to blame they get told what to do. They follow orders. They probably only wrote drama up to that point and were picked for being drama writers because that's what they wanted the Halo TV show to be
I hope the show is rebooted and starts at the beginning of CE, but remains VERY faithful to the source material
Why not an original story? If it retells CE then that prevents it from being in-canon
@@Arander92 Did you forget that CE's novelization: *_The Flood_* exists?
@@Arander92 I’m open for an original story, but I would love to see an adaptation of Halo CE along with the flood novel. There is so much material which isn’t in the game
The problem is that even if a new provider like Amazon does pick it up, they’re still going to drag in all the baggage from the previous seasons. I seriously doubt that they would start from scratch. For me I don’t think it can be salvaged, so I’d rather just see the show die out rather than see it keep wearing the halo franchise like a bad suit
First off Paramount+ is much older than Disney+, and a lot of the computation because it’s been thru several name and brand changes and mergers over the years. Almost as many as Max or whatever it’s called now. So it’s not exactly a new player in the game.
Paramount+ wasn't established until 2021, was CBS All Access before then. Different streaming services with pretty different catalogues.
They lost me when MC took off his helmet. There was absolutely no reason for it.
Same. That one scene established exactly what the show would be doing from that point on.
imo that's the only part of the TV series I can forgive
hahahahahahahahahahaha nah you people do not deserve a Halo show
@@Colonel_Bat_Guano “haha you don’t like seeing the story you grew up with changed by people who don’t care about respecting source material. Your such a loser for wanting a faithful adaptation haha.”
@@michaelguernsey1206 Bro take some remedial adult english courses and stop talking about Halo online, first of all. Second, we have the games, go play them. The story and writing of the Halo series absolutely sucks... the gameplay is what makes Halo good. The fact that you want a carbon copy of something you've already experienced for years just proves my point that the halo fanbase is actually dumb.
I feel sorry for Joseph Morgan, who plays Ackerson. He clearly loves Halo and clearly did everything he can to bring a compelling character to the show. I hope it's not all for nothing.
I wouldn't mind seeing the Pillar of Autumn coming to Halo, even if Chief is already on Halo. They could pick up Kai on the way, and put her in some kind of recovery, rather than cryo, then she comes out as the Covenant are boarding. She could basically take Chief's role from the game. Or, they could just have only marines, maybe as a way to introduce new characters. They could even bring Keyes back for it and have some quick dialogue explaining how he got off Reach.
That would be fucking amazing ❤
Ill always remember Joseph as Klaus from the orginals, he is a good actor.
Man I respect your optimism.
Why???
@@Arander92 because we sure as shit don’t need anymore of what everyone else is saying
@@nicwalker882 If you’re talking about a reboot that’s in-canon, then yeah, that’s exactly what we need
@Arander92 What does it matter if it’s “in-canon” (assuming you mean in the actual timeline along with the games and books) or not? Not everything needs to be or is best as a transmedia universe. Halo: Reach was made without caring if the story contradicted the Fall of Reach book. Sometimes approaching things as their own separate thing can be a blessing, especially being approachable to people who might not have followed everything or are new in general.
@@davidbeer5015I agree, cause of this was Canon.This will be a nightmare
I don’t see how you can support this show at any capacity…
The battle of reach lasted 20 minutes. Buh bye
The most important and tragic loss of earth’s colonies. Earth’s military bastion and the height of military power. The birthplace of the Spartan programs. The planet with an entire game dedicated to showing how destructive the battle of reach was and how important of a loss it was. Over in 20 minutes at the beginning of the season, and not a single Spartan in their armor.
@@michaelguernsey1206a few books and its own game. But you show the city and keys up in flames in one frame
Yea fall of reach should have been 4 episodes, then story of CE should have been last 4 eps. But these "creative" people can't help themselves from making their story
I don't think you understand the limited budget they were working with. An accurate true to life battle of reach would need a Nolan budget
@@dat8835 They get told what to do bruh like any other worker on earth. We don't live in a magical society where writers just prance around doing as they please without direction
A reboot would be best in my opinion as the series from paramount + missed the main character development of chief!
The human is the machine and the AI is the human and how it plays out.
This wasn't a devise show, almost everyone didn't like the show lol
Master cheeks is non canon
the show deserved to die, nobody asked for a shitty alternate timeline. We wanted a halo show that was true to the lore and story (which we somewhat got in S2).
overall a failure because of the showrunners and writers.
Except when your product becomes good and valuable you either keep it and run it or you SELL it tale the money and run. Neither of which we have any indication of happening here. If the show was so popular and not getting trashed then there is literally no reason to not continue it.
Heres a good reset in my opinion
Season One CE
Season 2 First Strike
Season 3 HALO 2
SEASON 4 ODST/Ghost Of ONYX
Season 5 HALO 3
Season 6-7 THE KILO 5 TRILOGY
Season 8: HALO 4
Season 9 THE GUARDIANS
SEASON 10 INFINITE
PREQUEL SERIES
SEASON ZERO: REACH
2530-2559 HALO WARS AND HALO WARS 2
Or just tel an original story set in the game’s timeline. THEN you can do a reimagining of either Halo 4 or 5 and undo some the bad writing and character decisions in those games, paving the way for a new beginning
@@Arander92 This would be great. Original STORY in the universe. Not a fucking whole original universe.
The show was just bad and people stopped hate watching it so it lost views and it lost money that's it.
No it's actually Paramount+ that's losing money
@@HaloDieHard and why do you think Paramount+ is losing money? Because they're investing in shows like Halo that aren't pulling in and retaining users.
@HaloDieHard no really? Wow had no idea halo show being bad means paramount lost money. Economics major here
Why do you speak without knowing lol, Halo was the most watched show on Paramount and one of the most watched across all streaming platforms, what happened was paramount+ just went through a merger and now they don’t have money to make a show like this
@@bryancalzadilla because the show cost a lot of money and Paramount was in debt that's why they had to merged with Skymedia. The show was Paramount most successful Show and S2 ranked in the Nielsen list.... That's means a lot. Targeted people liked it. They are looking for another partner (rumors already there) that IS means also a lot.
The people whom written this, gave their okay on this, and continued on this should NEVER be allowed near a Halo project again.
best retcon imaginable is making the entire two seasons a dream
Dawg, I think everyone would be happy wirh just a straightforward no nonsense adaptation of Halo: The Fall of Reach.
The show was bad, and I'm glad to see it gone
It's not necessarily bad ur just comparing it to anther story entirely. It's not the same story, and it's not overwhelming amazing but it's a decent story by itself plot holes aside
@@tjcochran4641 the fact that the other stories exist is why we judge the show at all in the first place, it wouldn't be as popular as it is without Halo alrerady having a fanbase, to say we shouldn't compare it to anything else is ridiculous
@Tsukimi39 I get what ur saying but at the same time u can only tell the same story in so many forms while still turning a profit. The whole goal of the show is to do just that, explore a new timeline and show a new story and they said that from conception of the show
@@tjcochran4641 I disagree on multiple levels, Halo has never had a faithful movie/tv show adaptation, it would be a new media form and people would lap it up. Alternatively, if they wanted to make their own show based in halo canon, then they should have done that and not used the master chief, halsey, cortana, keys, ackerson and all of these characters that we know from the games and completely rewrite their roles, personalities, races, etc.
Instead they should have fully leaned into their own original characters and stories with the halo universe as a backdrop, I wouldn't have disliked the show as much then because honestly when we get to see Soren being a rogue spartan doing piratey things, it was pretty good, and seeing other spartan teams is always nice.
@@tjcochran4641 Yes, it was bad. Stop coping and making excuses for terrible adaptions.
Halo has to be the game with one of the richest lore. Amazon should pick it up and just follow the games and books faithfully.
It blow my mind that you are defending this show
Its basically another tv series with the halo skin.
bro is begging prime to pick up the show😂😂😂
😂
He wants this to be successful so bad, I wish he understood the best thing for Halo right now is for this show to remain cancelled so someone else can make a good Halo movie that is in-canon
@@Arander92 I mean, he defended this show to the core with his infamous now deleted "Why The Hate?" video. I don't know what he was thinking, dude was on some serious copium
@@FrostbiteDigital I mentioned this to someone before.
I think the reason he and others refuse to turn on this show is because they perceive it as the last and only hope for ever getting ANY Halo live action anything EVER. That THIS is the best that we can hope for, and that if this show doesn’t get a third season, then it’s dead forever.
Now I don’t need to tell you how insanely irrational it is to jump to such an extreme conclusion, but that really seems to be what all these RUclipsrs have convinced themselves of. You can hear the fear in their voices whenever they’re forced to acknowledge criticisms. They REALLY think this is it!
The moment I saw the news I have been waiting for this video!
I hope someone else picks it up, even though it was downright awful at times I still enjoyed it, seeing things from halo in live action was so cool and the show was finally getting good. They did the flood so well, it'll be a shame if we never get to see more.
Not many big houses might want to pick-up a show that was cancelled. They might fear that it's not where the money's at. So the risk is that Halo is picked up by an even smaller house than Paramount and as a consequence, drops even more in terms of budget.
I disagree with all of your points made. If another streaming service picks up this series they need to cast everything that was done into the waste bin and start from scratch and follow the original story like they did with the last of us. If you're going to follow Master Chief, you need to stick to the original Source material.
Why not have something new? Either way the budget needed to pull off a faithful adaption just isn't there.
You had some hot takes when defending the show. Though I disagreed with many of them. But here's hoping that when Christopher Noland can make something out of it where more people can find enjoyment from it.
Is there actually a source for this? I've seen this been said alot but with no sources given.
I need that HBO reboot like I need water and oxygen.
God no anyone but hbo cause for some reason they don’t stream here in Australia so you got to wait for a year or two for the other platforms to get the show you want to watch
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Man that sucks I didn’t know that
1:07 Why are you in support of the show?
It was unfortunate the people behind creating the HALO tv series didn't use the rich HALO canon info. but...if the tv series gets picked up by another they could start the series off with a young John 117. (The Fall of Reach)
Show the on-going intense training as a child, his bonding with the core kids.The brutal augmentaions, & loss. Young Halsey & her experiments, (Halseys personal journals)assigning John's team with the first MJOLNIR Armor. (Birth of a Spartan) The missions of young teen Spartans fighting against the human insurectionists.(Forward Unto Dawn)
All the while showing another side, the ODST and UNSC military training for missions.
The corruption within Government factions attempting to gain control.
Adding the human insurectionists and their fight against tyranical government military powers.
OR go back even further to the Forerunners story ruling the universe. Or delve into the Covenant world.
So much to choose from other than continuing the Paramont HALO storyline. Give viewers who have no clue what the HALO world is all about.
Imagine netflix pick it up 😭 117 is now a black lesbian woman. Cortana is now a disabled cat person and there's absolutely ZERO gun violence 😅
Don’t give them ideas lol
I think you mean Disney
And they'd turn him into a princess - of which rules the Mantle
I love how your only complaint of it is that you hate the idea of marginalized people being in it. Bro the current Halo Show already had black and female Spartans and a gay couple so they’ve already done that lol
@@ArouzedLampyeah truly terrible that Disney is promoting acceptance of oppressed people.
@@markricheard1870that's not even his complaint
Coming from a humongous Halo fan since 2004 that read the books, stayed up countless nights playing the game and listening to the music throughout my life. *That* show, atleast the first season cuz i didnt watch the second and have no interest what so ever, was a complete and utter disrespectful slap to my face. Im still mad they took his helmet off.
The fact that we only got 1.1 Episodes of THE. FALL. OF. REACH. in s2, speaks volumes to the utter doo hicky that the creators of the show were imbibing.
@@tyvernoverlord5363 the scumbags even made all the trailers seem like the season would focus on the Battle of Reach but it was a literal footnote in one episode
@@dragonfruitsalad It was just terrible
If Amazon picks it up, the show needs a reset without the production crew altering the stories in the universe.
Time for Halo to return to Mac, Apple TV has been dropping banger shows, could see Halo maybe going there.
The show annoyed me, but I loved having a Halo show. I'd love a straight up reboot though
I’m sure all 12 fans of the show are going to be devastated that this dumpster fire has been cancelled
With the way the spartans are i see no point in continuing silver time line thou it had some good battles the rest was not for me.
Just let us have the win man
Naw. The show needs a restart and not continue from season 3 or make a animated series.
Where are these viewing numbers coming from? Ive seen the articles about the premiers numbers but nothing about the ongoing viewership
At last the suffering and humiliation is over.
If somebody else picks this up they would do well to ignore season 1 and 2. It's a shame because Reach is an epic story and could have been unforgettable.
All these arrogant showrunners had to do was simply adapt the book Fall of Reach and they would've had the perfect first season for Halo. But no, they knew better...
Or at least CE & The Flood for a solid 4-5 episode 1 "Season" hit wonder of a show.
The show was bad, the story was bad. It went against what the fans of the game wanted and hoped to see on the screen. It needs to die and become a cautionary tale for anyone who wants to produce a show based on an stablished lore and franchise. Don’t mess with what made it great. Good bye and good riddance Master cheeks!
Re: Amazon Prime as a "fantastic fit"..... I'm sure everyone who's paying attention understands just how short the automobile drive is from Amazon HQ to 343 Industries? If these two financial and story-shaping entities need to talk to each other and "get on the same page," they can literally go and talk to each other face to face.
Honestly. I can't believe your a Halo lore RUclipsr and your willing to defend the absolute vile vomit that the Halo TV show was.
I actually loved season 2, I know they messed the lore up but Pablo won me over at the end, guess I'm one of the few that is deeply sad by this news
Credibility is down the toilet for liking this show.
*Grunt Birthday Party Skull Sound*
Thank God.
Amazon has bought some decent goodwill with the fallout series for me, I don’t like knit picked issues, but as its own it’s a good adaptation. Do I like its retroactive lore? Hell no. But if Amazon got Halo and restarted it the way it’s supposed to be with established lore and maybe some additions between moments like separate stories during the jump to delta halo, or in the weeks following the jump to the ark, how earth readied for the flood, or a high action ODST series with a subliminal ONI plot integrated each season.
Even for a different adaptation, it was terrible in every which way
I really liked the show, & hope it's picked up. It definitely had some quirky stuff, but it also got so much right. People who disparage it completely just can't understand that it's different medium. It's not a game show, but a TV series based on one.
But “it’s a different medium” isn’t an excuse. Look at fallout and the last of us. Those honored the identity and story of the originals (well, somewhat with fallout). The writers went out of their way to write their own story that is inferior and more confusing/convoluted than the original game’s.
come back here update still nothing no season 3 no one has taken up the tv series. Lol thank god if a new tv series comes about its definitely going to be reboot and we can kick the series out of the picture fully and we can get a proper Halo accurate tv series
I know 00 liked it. But personally IM GLAD.
Good.
Season 3 gets picked up... In the first episode Master Chief played by Steve Downes wakes up out of bed from a terrible nightmare fully suited up. Then does masterchief stuff, kills real aliens, and doesn't afraid of anything not even space zombies.
Thank God it was killed. The show was so bad,such a misstep by people who had no idea what they were doing it was an embarrassment. Things like this and Rings of Power do nothing but bad to the franchise. 343 has done such a bad job with the franchise as well so it's no surprise that this happened. Halo is now a series that has lost any relevance it once had. I feel sorry for channels that have built their content around this husk of a series.
They should back track and say a few days earlier or so find a way to bring keys back, have Nobel 6 drop Cortana off to keys then go with chief waking up and having to run to the bridge.
Then have him say " Captain keys ?"
Have that very first intention be him asking that and they follow the books from there
First strike as there Bible
No excuses
Have to disagree with installation00. This show was bad all the way around. Nothing about the show said “halo” to me. Was more of a “oh hell no”. With all the content and stories out about halo, how could they have got it this wrong? And hopefully another provider picks up the show and does it justice, but I somehow doubt it
Season 2 was better than season 1 but the bar was set very low.
Paramount butchered Star Trek and didn't fix Picard until the final season.
They need to create a series targeting halos biggest audience. That's CE to 3 era.
Lots of fan service.
If they don't or can't do a faithful adaptation in the vein of The Last of US, it's not going to work.
I think it has potential if somebody else picks it up and sticks to the lore of the games so that it can be cannon to the games. A new show should be made but it should stick close to the established story.
Nice one on actually doing some proper investigation, you are absolutely correct on the Paramount+ situation, these guys burnt through money, they were practically giving away subscriptions for free in an attempt to get viewers.
Just give me a well researched and written miltary sci-fi that isn't afraid to show the ugly side, the sacrifices and the heroics of war, that doesn't reject the source material and the fans that turned it into a multi billion dollar franchise in the first place.
The expanse received a fresh take after switching over to Amazon, the storytelling was already in place but the visuals were given a much needed overhaul
If the Halo show was getting numbers comparable to Mando, then the dynamic here is the same as the dynamic for Star Wars in general. The online fandom has never understood how they fit in the bigger picture of media creation. As a long time SW fan (and an old GenX bastard) I saw this phenomena come up all the way back in late 1999, early 2000 when the online fans were reacting to SW1:tPM. To this day, the online fandom continues to behave as they always have.
Cool story bro. Got anything to say that isn’t pointless?
Respectfully, how does anyone enjoy the show.
I don't care how beneficial it is, i don't care how popular it was.
Its existence is mockery to existing Halo fans
Its existence is mockery to storytelling fundimentals
Someone can take a basic storytelling class and over half of the dialogue in season 1 alone should have been cut. The majority of the plots, regardless of how faithful they were, were executed so poorly. Their entire scenes needed to be redone.
I can't take a show seriously when the main charge actor genuinely believes that he needs to show his face in order to convey emotions.
I'm sorry, i usually don't care about peoples opinions enough to be like name or derogatory, but this show. And the entire franchise at this point has been so absolutely fumbled. I can't not get emotional at the near thought of it.
Even if amazon picks it up. Its a whole nother halo 5 situation. Gotta figure out how to brush the dead plot threads away as quickly as possible. If this is even the direction they want to go. They're missing key characters. They've killed off the best characters at this point. I can't do this crap man.
I'm sorry to the people who liked it, but it's Halo. What's another L for this fanbade gonna really do.
Good. I’m glad. The show was pretty bad.
Didn't really play the games, I only just watched a complete-ish full story of the halo games and lore this morning. I just finished season 2 and was sooo geeked for 3 to drop only to find out it's canceled a few hours later. I've read a lot of book and game enthusiasts, saying the show was dried ass being burnt to a crisp. Personally, as someone who is just giving the Halo universe a shot. This was a good way to get me into MC and his career. Yeah, they added a bunch of stuff, but honestly, I'm glad I gave it a shot, and I had some much needed laughs right out.
What the producers showrunner whoever for the Halo show should have done was adapted contact Harvest specifically so they could buy their time to produce practical effects for certain alien species that could be reused for future Productions, along with treating the Spartans like a unicorn on the battlefield
Maybe Tubi will pick it up, I just pray no one does.
Just go the anime route again until they can secure competent writers, they did it before and it's a popular trend right now.
honestly i would just restart from season 1 and get hbo to make it as we have seen from HOTD and GOT that when they have enough source material they can make iconic shows and they are not afraid to go bloody and full of gore.
If One Piece and Avatar TLA can get it right in the first season, there’s no excuse for “growing pains”. It’s a crap adaptation that deserves to die.
The show isn’t that far off from AtLA for me (never saw One Piece). They did some stuff I liked and thought were well done, they did some stuff that I didn’t like (I honestly did not enjoy the Omashu episodes or the North Pole encounter between Zuko And Zhao.. the North Pole had some odd bits in general for me). But overall, I still found them enjoyable and up for seeing more
Although I’m largely glad the Show is cancelled…I feel bad on Installation00’s behalf. He was really fascinated by the Show, and honestly I was surprised to see that Season 2 was marginally better, and honestly fascinated to see where Season 3 was going to go, as they were definitely building up to something! I guess we will never know now..
If another streamer was to pick up the series it would need to be their own original series and not a Season 3. No business is going to pick up this limping mess of a show fir however many millions then anither 100 million into a season.
Unless they get that sweet DEI money of course to make Chief black and trans