I bought that Wolfenstein doom pack from WalMart as a kid. I felt scammed because I didn't know wtf "shareware" meant and got terrible value out of this. It sold for the same price as a complete doom box, and the packaging made it look like 'two games for the price of one'
Like you said, Wata and Heritage are the winners here and it makes sense as they are funded on cuts/were the initial drivers of the whole thing. If prices go down from the crazy peak but are still higher than when this all started, it’s still a victory for them. If they crash even more, still a victory because they don’t lose that money they made and the pump scheme generated all that revenue for them that otherwise wouldn’t have existed. Would they prefer it to go on forever? Sure, but they still, in effect, pulled off a major heist.
@@BRBMrSoul I base my speedrun world records on how much fun the player has playing the game, I happen to have wr for most fun had playing every game I've ever played.
I really appreciate the news and updates on Wata, Heritage games and the mega scam happening. I hope you guys can touch on the same thing happening in the used/sealed VHS markets
The graded VHS market to me is even more of a scam than the graded game market. And unlike WATA/Heritage, the people involved with grading VHS (IGS) have even been going after and harassing people for speaking out against it, because IGS views any criticism towards them as some sort of threat or attack to their business.
@@vintagevhstreasures4058 I know some involved in the VHS scam that are trying to inflate the market putting on ebay vhs for insane high prices, fucking scammers!
@@Foodfightmike Calling artificial inflation/manipulation of a market in order to flip goods to suckers and bank on grading or buyer/sellers premiums “free market economics” doesn’t make it any less worse or predatory. Just because something isn’t regulated away doesn’t make it part of a beneficial natural order of things.
If you want to spend six figures on a Super Mario Bros, just give me the money. You can take more pride in my personal happiness than whatever you think makes the most common NES game worth more than a house.
@@destindude1978 millions of copies sealed, there's an ebay asshole that have copies for even $1,000 and more and if you check sold listings, those exact same copies goes for under $9 bucks, clearly there's many speculators on ebay.
Ugghh! Between this and the amico overpriced hardware, cheap cell phone game software, get in and get out quick business practices, just feels like there is so much shady shit going on in the industry with heritage auctions etc right now. For people that just enjoy the community and the hobby so much it’s kinda hard not to get a bad taste in your mouth over some of this. I appreciate the honesty of this channel in reporting on some of the shenanigans
One thing worth mentioning on the "make offer" button that pops up beneath sold listings. Both of my purchases from Heritage have had that applied by default. As far as I know the buyer has to opt out of that feature and it's an easy detail to miss when paying for your item. I'd imagine most people don't bother. I'm actually convinced nobody does.
I have my sealed Zelda II game up for sale on eBay at this moment. If you buy it for 200k you can still double your money easely so where are you waiting for, place a bid!!! 🤪😄
We used to play games then bring them to a video store we were buddies with and they would seal it for us and back to the store it went. That was in 1991. But these are factory sealed….😁
WATA won't let the price of the next 9.8 Mario 64 drop too much. If it starts looking like the price is crashing, they'll bid it up themselves to keep the hype up. A million dollars is nothing to them.
Shocking, right after these guys get completely exposed a bunch of buyers suddenly start showing that they really for reals bought this stuff on social media. Sounds totally organic and legitimate ;p
Pat, thanks for highlighting the CHEETAHMEN II from the Heritage Auction. The $8,450 price set a new auction high, but was low enough that I couldn't resist buying it.....It will look great on display at the National Videogame Museum. While it is true that all CM II games were at one time all sealed, most buyers immediately took the games home and opened them up and tried to play them. They really are rare today in sealed condition. You certainly wont see one in every Heritage auction.
They're basically scalpers/flippers. It happens in every thriving market. Look at sports cards. Nintendo Mini ect. If there's a market people will be trying to secure the bag
That Pacman has to be a joke. $5700? I have over 100 of those sealed. I used to have a lot more, but for years gave them away at swap meets for free. LOL!
Yes except this collecting genre has been around for 20 years and his been in a constant growth mode for 4 years now.. but other than that yeh it’s people paying a lot for toys I guess
It's always wild when you see stuff like FF7's going for thousands or 10's of thousands. That is like the 2nd most common PS1 game and there has to be cases of new unsold stock laying around, especially the later "greatest hits" versions. Not to mention because they are in plastic jewel cases the chances of a packing box being damaged are far lower.
This is insane, I have an original Zelda nes still sealed that I bought in 2015 for $100. It’s not graded but now I’m seriously thinking of getting it done.
While I say you should, at the same time I kind of think this whole is designed to make you want to get stuff graded. So, I'd only do it if you are certain your Zelda is in decent shape and the grading fee isn't insane.
I have a sealed "Super R.C. Pro-Am" for the Gameboy and a sealed "Spyro the Dragon" for the Playstation. I've had them since they were both new (well, my mom did), but never knew it. She gave them both to me this year. This has got the wheels turning! 😆
Pat - What do you think a TG16 Magical Chase CIB Wata graded 9.0 (not sealed) would go for? I'm not sure I'll ever sell it, but just wanted your thoughts. Thanks Pat for your time.
Just wondering what Pat thought it was worth. I don't care what the market thinks it's worth. I feel like Pat likes the game a lot so wonder what the value would be to him.
I really feel like we should all just ignore the auctions and nobody partake in them I don't think it's a very fair and accurate view or assessment of the worth of the games just my opinion.
Doesn't matter if you ignore them because you and me aren't the ones buying these things by and large. There is some incredibly shady shit going on and not shining a spotlight on it only lets them get away with it longer. It also might inform someone who is thinking about dumping their life savings into this shit to think twice before doing so.
Wish people would not partake in these auctions so prices of these sealed games wouldn't get so dam ridiculous. I am so glad i bought 99 percent of the retro games i want a few years ago when prices were more reasonable.
That is so stupid to sell a non-factory sealed 'sealed' game. So someone has opened it, used it, maybe scratched it up etc. Resealed it and called it sealed.... That's like selling second-hand clothes as new and unused because you found some tags and slapped them on.
that's not what happened at all. 1,500 brand new games were made and sold to one buyer , who had all 1,500 games sealed. They are readily distinguishable as being original seals....
This is a ridiculous bubble, but at this point, I have to say at least it's a physical thing there's only one of, and not the digital rights to something. It has a real world value as an object beyond it's utility as a game, as a display piece if nothing else. I'm a toy and comic guy, I get it. Not to this level usually, but I do get it somewhat. When they're not making any more of a thing, it's value does tend to increase.
what about my complete in box zelda for the nes, with a giant 1$ mark in sharpie on the cover and tears on the corners. Much, much less I'm predicting :/
I think the prices are gonna slide a bit more because there are millions of copies out there. It's like most collectables, the more rare it is the more expensive it will be.
It’s not just rarity tho, there has to be demand for it too, a collectible could be incredibly rare but only a few people want it, if there’s more of that collectible then the people who want it then it’s not going to be that expensive…and people who only go after these collectibles to pump up the price to make a profit and get out are what’s artificial, because now the market isn’t representative of what it naturally should be
I have a vga graded game and a PSA graded zapdos card error printed Heritage refused any of my items and one of them sold for alot of money on ebay this tells me there fake. I kept the card but sold my vga graded game.
This will be hilarious to look back on in the near future. When these games have plummeted to all time lows. Lol so ridiculous to think these prices like this are legitimate or will increase 🤣
All this stuff is completely backwards. The rare games you expect to sell for a lot sell for way less then extremely common games. I have a hard time spending over $40 for a retro game
Just some quick math on the Uncanny X-Men shows they're just trying to get out of it. You said it sold for $6600 and they're flipping for $9900+. $6600 + 15% sellers premium and a 20% buyers premium is $9240. I would almost guarantee that's shill bidding, the seller is selling to themselves under a different account.
how are wata graded games still selling when they've been exposed to have no legitimacy. They have multiple conflict of interest that opened up their grades to manipulation for profit. How are they at all still desirable and selling?
The same core group of circle-jerkers just keep buying and selling amongst themselves hoping to bait someone OUTSIDE their circle into bringing in outside money. Until then (if ever), WATA and Heritage continue taking their cuts from all the rubes sending their 6.5 CIB’s in to get graded/sold.
I feel scared for the grading market as Jason from Trade N Games is hired as the CGC game grading finalizer. This scares me as he was all In on getting games graded by wata… seems like a conflict of interests to me.
I wonder if it's the auction house putting the game's reserve price as sold and putting up a make an offer to try to generate some revenue for themselves and the seller.
When are people going to learn that graded games like this are worthless. Once you trap them in a plastic prison, they have no value because they cannot be used.
Looks like they're cover they're tracks this time by getting other notable collector types to pose with the sold products on social media. Trying to make it look like they're not staging the auction internally.
Ive been following this graded game shit. Ive been a long time collecter since the 90's. I don't understand how these games are worth this much sealed or not. I wouldn't pay more than $100 for anything sealed. Mario 64 or whatever. These people are going to lose hundreds of thousands of dollars which is fine with me. Not my loss. The window for retro games sadly will decline. The new generation of kids mostly don't care. Like our dads train collections. Nobody cares anymore.
Lol 492k for that mario is not even a semi-correction. What you guys fail to understand is that not all sealed games are treated equal. PRINT MATTERS AND GRADE MATTERS. A 9.8 A+ 5th print hangtab is apples and oranges from a 9.4 A 6th print hangtab. The 500k vs 2 million discrepancy is actually a small delta imo between the two games.
@@PatTheNESpunk I make a comment that gets the great Pat to respond and that’s all I get … ok everyone in here can return to your parents basement now, this thread is dead lol
Cellophane has become awfully expensive these days.
I bought that Wolfenstein doom pack from WalMart as a kid. I felt scammed because I didn't know wtf "shareware" meant and got terrible value out of this. It sold for the same price as a complete doom box, and the packaging made it look like 'two games for the price of one'
Like you said, Wata and Heritage are the winners here and it makes sense as they are funded on cuts/were the initial drivers of the whole thing. If prices go down from the crazy peak but are still higher than when this all started, it’s still a victory for them.
If they crash even more, still a victory because they don’t lose that money they made and the pump scheme generated all that revenue for them that otherwise wouldn’t have existed. Would they prefer it to go on forever? Sure, but they still, in effect, pulled off a major heist.
Well of course Super Mario Brothers 2 is worth that much, best game of the year 30 games in a row baybeeeee almost better than Knack
A man of culture I see
Wouldn’t it be nice if values were merit based upon how much gamers love them? Yup. Be nice lol
@@BRBMrSoul I base my speedrun world records on how much fun the player has playing the game, I happen to have wr for most fun had playing every game I've ever played.
I really appreciate the news and updates on Wata, Heritage games and the mega scam happening. I hope you guys can touch on the same thing happening in the used/sealed VHS markets
The graded VHS market to me is even more of a scam than the graded game market. And unlike WATA/Heritage, the people involved with grading VHS (IGS) have even been going after and harassing people for speaking out against it, because IGS views any criticism towards them as some sort of threat or attack to their business.
@@vintagevhstreasures4058 I know some involved in the VHS scam that are trying to inflate the market putting on ebay vhs for insane high prices, fucking scammers!
@@Foodfightmike Calling artificial inflation/manipulation of a market in order to flip goods to suckers and bank on grading or buyer/sellers premiums “free market economics” doesn’t make it any less worse or predatory. Just because something isn’t regulated away doesn’t make it part of a beneficial natural order of things.
I'm gonna corner the sealed cassette 90's Rap market soon.
If you want to spend six figures on a Super Mario Bros, just give me the money. You can take more pride in my personal happiness than whatever you think makes the most common NES game worth more than a house.
I would love to hear your thoughts on the graded VHS market.
is Shit!
I got some sealed keep it low😈
How is the VHS market looking?
Are your tapes sorted with the Victorville Coding System?
@@destindude1978 millions of copies sealed, there's an ebay asshole that have copies for even $1,000 and more and if you check sold listings, those exact same copies goes for under $9 bucks, clearly there's many speculators on ebay.
Ugghh! Between this and the amico overpriced hardware, cheap cell phone game software, get in and get out quick business practices, just feels like there is so much shady shit going on in the industry with heritage auctions etc right now. For people that just enjoy the community and the hobby so much it’s kinda hard not to get a bad taste in your mouth over some of this. I appreciate the honesty of this channel in reporting on some of the shenanigans
It's extremely shady. Just the fact that they're trying to market a circuit board worth $100 back in 2015 for a generic smartphone is just ridiculous
I hate to use the word "toxic" but it seems appropriate for this situation
Ok, it's time to watch old Pat's NES chritsmas videos
One thing worth mentioning on the "make offer" button that pops up beneath sold listings. Both of my purchases from Heritage have had that applied by default. As far as I know the buyer has to opt out of that feature and it's an easy detail to miss when paying for your item. I'd imagine most people don't bother. I'm actually convinced nobody does.
I have my sealed Zelda II game up for sale on eBay at this moment. If you buy it for 200k you can still double your money easely so where are you waiting for, place a bid!!! 🤪😄
Oh boy! I’ll put my house on it! That’s basically free money! 😍
@@brady9592 take my advise and only invest what you can miss 😂🤣
@@DutchGameHunter ok… well I have some controllers I can trade ya for it 😄
We used to play games then bring them to a video store we were buddies with and they would seal it for us and back to the store it went. That was in 1991.
But these are factory sealed….😁
Tommy said limited edition Amico “Physical Products” will go for thousands of dollars at auction. He said they are banging down the door.
That’s a “get me off this planet” level scenario
Did Tommy really say that? Or are you just being funny?
@@JohnSegerclucka idk, gotta be a joke, right
WATA won't let the price of the next 9.8 Mario 64 drop too much. If it starts looking like the price is crashing, they'll bid it up themselves to keep the hype up. A million dollars is nothing to them.
The sonic 9.4 that sold for 400k was to a notable card collector, he had it featured on his Instagram.
Wow really? Thats insane
Actually sounds like a set up..
Shocking, right after these guys get completely exposed a bunch of buyers suddenly start showing that they really for reals bought this stuff on social media. Sounds totally organic and legitimate ;p
Pat, thanks for highlighting the CHEETAHMEN II from the Heritage Auction. The $8,450 price set a new auction high, but was low enough that I couldn't resist buying it.....It will look great on display at the National Videogame Museum.
While it is true that all CM II games were at one time all sealed, most buyers immediately took the games home and opened them up and tried to play them. They really are rare today in sealed condition. You certainly wont see one in every Heritage auction.
They're basically scalpers/flippers. It happens in every thriving market. Look at sports cards. Nintendo Mini ect. If there's a market people will be trying to secure the bag
That Pacman has to be a joke. $5700? I have over 100 of those sealed. I used to have a lot more, but for years gave them away at swap meets for free. LOL!
These people would probably sell the Michael Jackson Thriller vinyl for $1000
Time to cash in! lol
Reminds me of the crazy Beanie baby investments in the 90's.
Yes except this collecting genre has been around for 20 years and his been in a constant growth mode for 4 years now.. but other than that yeh it’s people paying a lot for toys I guess
@@ericnaiermandds That's what I meant. The crazyness of it all, hoping to get rich quickly. I understand it's not exactly the same though.
@@ericnaiermandds games were going down in 2018-2020
I got screwed selling my 9.0 Mario 1985 sealed for 35,000 a couple months ago on eBay lol
Preach Pat, preach. You speak the gaming lords truth.
5 figures for PS1 games is insane to me...
Every retro games store has stuff that common sealed!
It's always wild when you see stuff like FF7's going for thousands or 10's of thousands. That is like the 2nd most common PS1 game and there has to be cases of new unsold stock laying around, especially the later "greatest hits" versions. Not to mention because they are in plastic jewel cases the chances of a packing box being damaged are far lower.
This is insane, I have an original Zelda nes still sealed that I bought in 2015 for $100. It’s not graded but now I’m seriously thinking of getting it done.
If it's first print grade it for sure
While I say you should, at the same time I kind of think this whole is designed to make you want to get stuff graded. So, I'd only do it if you are certain your Zelda is in decent shape and the grading fee isn't insane.
I can't believe there is more but here we are
I have a sealed "Super R.C. Pro-Am" for the Gameboy and a sealed "Spyro the Dragon" for the Playstation. I've had them since they were both new (well, my mom did), but never knew it. She gave them both to me this year. This has got the wheels turning! 😆
Just got my FF Legend ll back from WATA. Not bad for a total investment of $100 between the price of the game and the grading/shipping fee
There's a 1990 Nintendo world championship gold cartridge graded by wata 5.0 for sale on eBay right now for $2 million. 😆
Pat - What do you think a TG16 Magical Chase CIB Wata graded 9.0 (not sealed) would go for? I'm not sure I'll ever sell it, but just wanted your thoughts. Thanks Pat for your time.
He already said that the market doesn't reflect rarity or real demand stuff. It's like common high grade stuff
Just wondering what Pat thought it was worth. I don't care what the market thinks it's worth. I feel like Pat likes the game a lot so wonder what the value would be to him.
@@vintagecrazyjay4970 grading it doesn't add anything. If anything it subtracts from it. No longer a game if you can't play it
I really feel like we should all just ignore the auctions and nobody partake in them I don't think it's a very fair and accurate view or assessment of the worth of the games just my opinion.
Doesn't matter if you ignore them because you and me aren't the ones buying these things by and large. There is some incredibly shady shit going on and not shining a spotlight on it only lets them get away with it longer. It also might inform someone who is thinking about dumping their life savings into this shit to think twice before doing so.
Too late, just won an auction on a sealed Dark Castle for $420,069.
a guy walks into a bar and asks the bartender if he wants to buy a copy of Cheetahmen2 for $8,400. the bartender shoots him and the game.
Thanks for the wata auction price update
Doom was free. Stores had made there own packaging actually for the shareware. That was The deal.
Wish people would not partake in these auctions so prices of these sealed games wouldn't get so dam ridiculous. I am so glad i bought 99 percent of the retro games i want a few years ago when prices were more reasonable.
Alphaomegasin just popped up on the side in my recommended videos._. Where is that guy?
That is so stupid to sell a non-factory sealed 'sealed' game. So someone has opened it, used it, maybe scratched it up etc. Resealed it and called it sealed.... That's like selling second-hand clothes as new and unused because you found some tags and slapped them on.
You never shopped at Gamestop/EB Games?
@@dariusq8894 EB Games don't sell games for 10,000% actual value... You know what you're getting eh
that's not what happened at all. 1,500 brand new games were made and sold to one buyer , who had all 1,500 games sealed. They are readily distinguishable as being original seals....
@@gregpabich thanks for clarification, I misunderstood
7:07 Pat tapped into his inner Julia Child.
This is a ridiculous bubble, but at this point, I have to say at least it's a physical thing there's only one of, and not the digital rights to something. It has a real world value as an object beyond it's utility as a game, as a display piece if nothing else. I'm a toy and comic guy, I get it. Not to this level usually, but I do get it somewhat. When they're not making any more of a thing, it's value does tend to increase.
what about my complete in box zelda for the nes, with a giant 1$ mark in sharpie on the cover and tears on the corners. Much, much less I'm predicting :/
Hmm aren’t these bidders just investors and flippers? Betting and taking the risk that it will go up in value. That’s what I assume
Yes no "real" collectors are buying games at these prices.
I wonder what a sealed Amico would go for?? It seems more rare than Bigfoot!
I think the prices are gonna slide a bit more because there are millions of copies out there. It's like most collectables, the more rare it is the more expensive it will be.
It’s not just rarity tho, there has to be demand for it too, a collectible could be incredibly rare but only a few people want it, if there’s more of that collectible then the people who want it then it’s not going to be that expensive…and people who only go after these collectibles to pump up the price to make a profit and get out are what’s artificial, because now the market isn’t representative of what it naturally should be
I have a vga graded game and a PSA graded zapdos card error printed Heritage refused any of my items and one of them sold for alot of money on ebay this tells me there fake. I kept the card but sold my vga graded game.
This show rocks!
very sad state of affairs considering there are in likelihood hundreds of these stored about.
"SEEEEEAALLLLLEDD!"
My morning smoke n coffee
These tulip bulbs will come down again.
Yup. Black spots and all ;)
On Ian's computer, I'm curious about the sticker underneath the top right sticker (from the camera's perspective). Anyone got any info on that?
No clue, I just started watching Elfen Leid though. Holy cow! Nyuuu ^~^
My friend bought that 30k Fire Red and he's a collector not a flipper lol
They have blocked me from commenting on their Facebook ads lmao (heritage)
I will never see the appeal of owning sealed games, the fun part of owning video games is that at any time I can pull a game off my shelf and play it.
This will be hilarious to look back on in the near future. When these games have plummeted to all time lows. Lol so ridiculous to think these prices like this are legitimate or will increase 🤣
All this stuff is completely backwards. The rare games you expect to sell for a lot sell for way less then extremely common games. I have a hard time spending over $40 for a retro game
Just some quick math on the Uncanny X-Men shows they're just trying to get out of it. You said it sold for $6600 and they're flipping for $9900+. $6600 + 15% sellers premium and a 20% buyers premium is $9240. I would almost guarantee that's shill bidding, the seller is selling to themselves under a different account.
I agree with you. HA and WATA attract con men like shit attracts flies.
how are wata graded games still selling when they've been exposed to have no legitimacy. They have multiple conflict of interest that opened up their grades to manipulation for profit. How are they at all still desirable and selling?
The same core group of circle-jerkers just keep buying and selling amongst themselves hoping to bait someone OUTSIDE their circle into bringing in outside money.
Until then (if ever), WATA and Heritage continue taking their cuts from all the rubes sending their 6.5 CIB’s in to get graded/sold.
I think the old saying "there's a sucker born every minute" applies here.
A fool and his money are soon parted....
It’s a chunk of clear plastic. A cardboard box and a cart. This is obscene
I’m curious is there ever a 10.0 graded game?
Yes, Cornhole on Amico and Finnigan Fox. Goes for $122,000
@@thesizzledsloth8506 bahaha
If anyone is really paying for these games they are an idiot who will lose so much money.
I’m surprised Pat doesn’t just cash in on his nintendo world championship carts.
I feel scared for the grading market as Jason from Trade N Games is hired as the CGC game grading finalizer. This scares me as he was all In on getting games graded by wata… seems like a conflict of interests to me.
This nonsense is honestly depressing. I just want to collect and play games, and these people keep ruining it...
You can still buy your shitty stuff out there, their price are not affected. This is a totally different market, not for you.
fast forward that mario game 9.4 grade is going for less then 30k lololololololololol
I have a Cheetamen 2. Not sealed though.
please contact me
This is straight up money laundering at this point LOL
“Oh, I can’t afford those” = “That’s money laundering!!!” LMAO
@@Juniorb888 those are so easily acquirable
@@TheMrConfetti hahahahahahahahaha
Seeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaleeeeddd
I wonder if it's the auction house putting the game's reserve price as sold and putting up a make an offer to try to generate some revenue for themselves and the seller.
Sealed!
When are people going to learn that graded games like this are worthless. Once you trap them in a plastic prison, they have no value because they cannot be used.
Seeeeeaaaaaalllllllleeeeeed
Looks like they're cover they're tracks this time by getting other notable collector types to pose with the sold products on social media. Trying to make it look like they're not staging the auction internally.
Ive been following this graded game shit. Ive been a long time collecter since the 90's. I don't understand how these games are worth this much sealed or not. I wouldn't pay more than $100 for anything sealed. Mario 64 or whatever. These people are going to lose hundreds of thousands of dollars which is fine with me. Not my loss. The window for retro games sadly will decline. The new generation of kids mostly don't care. Like our dads train collections. Nobody cares anymore.
I like trains.
This man right here knows what hes talking about!
Lol 492k for that mario is not even a semi-correction. What you guys fail to understand is that not all sealed games are treated equal. PRINT MATTERS AND GRADE MATTERS. A 9.8 A+ 5th print hangtab is apples and oranges from a 9.4 A 6th print hangtab. The 500k vs 2 million discrepancy is actually a small delta imo between the two games.
They literally said that in the video.
Lol, not this scrub again. Admit it, you’re a fan!😂
#getratioed #again
Eric, why do you bother trying to educate the unwilling?
Hey Eric, there's a lady in a chair waiting for you to complete the cavity filling.
@@PatTheNESpunk I make a comment that gets the great Pat to respond and that’s all I get … ok everyone in here can return to your parents basement now, this thread is dead lol
In a few years time you’ll get it for four figures again🤣
5 figs probably
@@DanielRivera-on5qh that would be pretty bad on a 500k investment🤣
These guys still shocked and upset that people try to make money off things that are valuable. Stop rhe presses!!!!
Sealed Twisted Metal sold for WHAT?! Somebody stop this madness and quit ruining our hobby (ノ﹏ヽ)
Look at call of duty
When this madness will end? 😂
Nah, we all know it's a scam by con men (HA and WATA).
This is fake.