I remember people defending wata as being experts and providing an important authentication service to justify their practices. And they keep 'autenthicating' bootlegs, burned cds and media cartridges as prototypes. At this point, trusting wata would be quite naive
@@thetrophysystem3697 Well, if you go back to their founding and the people they were working with (the people that bought nintendo age), they did have enough information to do the job. Kahn, being a collector, seems to be knowledgeable enough, though I can't say he graded anything. So they could have done a good job, had they not been embroiled in the whole market manipulation thing, which seems to have been their reason to be in the first place.
I did not know that. Thank you for sharing that info :) If your information is correct, it will help, in the fight to expose this fraud. Taking your info into account, it shows that they did have the potentiall to become a trusted name. They just chose to go down a different path. They should have used their past experience and gain trust, over time. It's like when eBay first appeared on the scene. The majority of people were skeptical. Rightfully so. Giving your money yo someone you don't know, to reveive an item you have never scene, in person, (They also let you sell, without a photo, at the begining!!) Was a recipe for disaster. It took ebay years to develope a trust with the public. The purchase of Paypal, the money back guarantee, word of mouth, etc. All of these examples combined, is why they are nearly invincible, in 2023. WATA has done the opposite and hopefully, over time, people will realise, that their company is acting in a fraudulent manner. Untill then, I'm reminded of the old adage, "There is a sucker born every minute". Cheers from Canada
2:50 Lol, the future of game collecting... Instead of label variants, grading variants. "I have a 9.8 copy." "Yeah, well mine is 9.0! That's even more rare than 9.8!"
The GTA numbers are massive due to the PS2 trilogy packs. People were cracking the large box open and sending in the 3 separate games endlessly becuase people were dumb enough to pay near 1000 for them - and of course, they were all mint, hence the high grades on all of them. That's why it's so important to open the tab and examine the variants. Trilogy editions are identifiable vs regular prints and are labelled separately on the pop report. Those trilogy packs are still very easy to find haha. There truly are an endless amount.
Saw mad little pixel's video on this nonsense It's completely ridiculous to charge that much money for a repro rondo a blood. And even when they're grading modern games, they're not going to be worth that much even after 20 years
Depends on the type of modern game, but then the question becomes who would spend that amount of money on the game lol. I can see niche anime games skyrocket in value since only so many are produced, and it's not expected ( or was at least back in the day) to sell many copies. Looking back at games like the Inuyasha rpg on ps2 or even the original ps2 dot hack game they can get pricey at times. I laugh when looking at the Amazon prices ( at the time of this comment) with the prices for "Bleach the 3rd phantom" and then going to Ebay where the prices are actually reasonable for a ds game lol.
I worked in a game shop in the late 90s early 00s, there were a couple of coustomers whom bought two copies of every game they believed would become "rare", one to play and one to sell sealed if it became valuable
Mad Little Pixel did a video on this auction and the seller emailed him threatening to sue him for slander. He made a second video about that. Expect an email from the seller soon.
Best Electronics in California had pallets of 2600 Spider-Man for $29.99 new. They've had them since the early '90s and only ran out in the last couple of years. I'm sure that's where these were sourced from. Video Games New York had sealed cases of N64 Perfect Dark last year. These games aren't rare.
I wouldn't be surprised if there are stockpiles of sealed copies of Rule of Rose. It was one of those games that everyone already "knew" would be rare *before* it even reached store shelves, and I'm certain there are more than a few people that bought multiple copies entirely to set aside and sell years later.
The 9's or higher are way to common. Alot of the rare trading cards are usually more rare due to them being sets of 100. Or jersey cards that have maybe 50 cards total. And even then, trading cards generally harder to maintain and there are way lower grades. Average trading cards tend to be high sevens to eights. But low sevens and six's are normal too.
For an amusing statistic, the regular Halo 2 is worth more than the collector edition because all kinds of speculators bought the collector edition and fewer people bought the regular version.
I mean depends on which era you are talking about. Newer stuff from the 90's onward? I'd be shocked if most stuff being graded wasn't in good shape. A good chunk of that stuff is going to have been yanked directly from shipping crates in near perfect condition so anything less than a 9.8/9.6/9.4/9.2/9.0 would be shocking.
I find it so hilarious just how many graded copies they have of GTA V. That's gotta be one of the most common games in existence as it's really recent and one of the best selling games of all time. It's also gotta be one of the most worthless games too, because they have given away digital copies multiple times, and you can pick up a cib copy on ebay for around $10.
@@T.k.b.a.h.a No. I don't give a shit what kind or level of evil it is, whether it's scamming people, corporate greed, mass murder, or some vile dictator committing genocide of another country because they had the "audacity" to tell him no!! I don't care if it involves "toys" or lives or whatever, *I will NOT "calm down" until ALL evil is punished.*
@@T.k.b.a.h.a It's never ok to manipulate people in any kind of way. People that think there's nothing wrong are usually the ones who are part of that problem or creating it themselves? Wata is a very corrupt company indeed....
Yeah but look at this way. The big ticket items in the news are mario 1/mario 3/mario 64. All very popular titles and all only pretend worth what they are because Wata and speculators created arbitrary distinctions to make incredibly common games worth money. So, who's to say that at some point in the future they won't come up with some other random arbitrary distinction for a GTA title? Wouldn't put it past them when they need a new headline for the press to regurgitate for buzz to prop this up.
The reason why the number of copies of GTA 3 and GTA Vice City were the same when you looked, I imagine, has a LOT to do with the fact that as late as 2012 there were new copies of those games STILL being produced and sold in 3 packs with San Andreas, in original boxes with the manual and maps included.
The worst are the newer (ps3/xbox 360 onwards) where many of the sealed copies aren't even the full game since a huge number of games had important patches soon after release.
Back in the day i had a brand new copy of Rule of Rose when it came out. Played it and sold it to gamestop for probably about 5-6 dollars. I kick myself in the ass often.
I'm in a similar-ish boat. What hurts is that I never trade in anything, not even when I was younger...except for ONE time, where Amazon had some trade in deal where if you hit a threshold, they gave you a big gift card to put towards a console purchase. So I traded in a bunch of meh stuff, alongside Xenosaga III (with lenticular cover, even), Silent Hill 3 and Silent Hill 4. Looking at the email from 2009, I got $6 for each Silent Hill, and $10 for Xenoblade III. Some of the rarest games I would have had in my collection, and I let them go so I could get a new console a little quicker. Efffff meeeee.
Have any of you braniacs ever heard of a CIB (Complete in Box) game...and how the components of the game can be graded individually since the game has been opened?
@@wileyhansen4143 I have! But it wasn't listed as CIB. It was listed as "Brand New: An item that has never been opened or removed from the manufacturer's sealing."
@@shsrpr Yes, the idiot listed it on Ebay as a "Brand New" item......which is wasn't.....but it's still not "anybody's guess" as to how the disk was graded. WATA obviously shouldn't have graded this game as authentic and have admitted to that. But WATA clearly labeled this as a CIB (Complete in Box) opened game on the front of their label. That's also why there's not a seal grade on the front of the label, and why all of the indivdual components were able to be given seperate grades on the back of the label. Madlittlepixel made a big deal wondering how they can grade the disc on this game in his original RUclips video too (at aroud the 5 minute mark in it)....which leaves me wondering exactly how much these RUclipsrs actually know about the hobby.
Space Channel 5 on Dreamcast was given a 9.8 score 75% of the time that it is graded. 31 9.8s, 7 9.6s, and 3 8.5s. I think I am going to send something to wata, but I only want to send the cheapest, most useless, and worst looking sealed game I can find. I have some bad ones, but I want to get the lowest score I can get. Mostly because I want to see how bad the service is to actually use, but also receiving a 1.5 on a 360 game would be at least a little funny. But yeah, then I could tell people how bad the service is from someone that isn't a reseller looking to get rich
Except for maybe Fighter Z now Budokai 3 is generally considered the best ZBZ game ever made. The thing that sucks about B3 on the collection though is that a lot of the music is different because many of the original tracks were plagiarized so they were replaced.
They are already exposed, but people who do not game and only want to make a good buck deal with these, any gamer with a brain buys a copy they can play and another one as backup, who needs a plastic box that you can't open and close?
@@MartyTheOneManParty_ What's wrong in his video? These mofo,s WATA and HA are colluding, Theirs CEOs are event on camera pretending they don't know each other at Pawn Stars. GTFO parasite.
The PS2 report is interesting. A lot of the games have no sealed copies because people knew they would never be worth anything. Who would want a sealed copy of Jimmy Neutron: Attack of the Twonkies? But what I find interesting about it is the .hack games. The GU trilogy sits around an equal number of sealed copies, but the sealed copies of IMOQ become more common as you go down the series and the games get rarer.
Their Pop Reports seem to be bogus to me. I looked up some of the lower quantity graded games in Price Charting to see if there had been any sales history. In looking up "Chronicles of the Sword", there was a sold Wata 9.8 in 2020, and there's only 1 in Wata's Pop Report with a grading level of 9.2. "Hercules" has 1 graded 9.4 on Wata, but 3 different versions in Price Charting sales history (none that match the grade in the Pop Report). Worse, given the link between Heritage Aurctions and Wata, Heritage sold a Wata graded copy of Hercules that Wata hasn't reported. (Or I suppose people could have faked the Wata grading, but given everything surounding Wata, I'll point my finger at them first lol).
I still want to know what percentage of games get re-graded in an attempt to hit a higher rating. This is fairly common with CCG grading and certainly makes the numbers less definitive.
How would you know a game has already been graded? There's a serial number somewhere on each game? Regardless of this fact, the manipulation of the market and imo fraud is what we should be focusing on
@@clownworld5474 You wouldn't, that's the point. people who regrade take them out of their slab and send them back in. What I'm saying is that while a lot of people seemed pretty intense about wanting to see counts it's exceptionally difficult to know how accurate they are. They represent the number of times the company made a label for a title, not actually how many slabs there are. Wata is terrible and shouldn't exist, I make no argument there. I'm just curious how accurate the data is, given that people read it as the number of graded copies, and how it compares to other things people get graded like cards. Given how many super high scores they seem to be giving out it seems unlikely that there is much re-slabbing but I suspect as you move to older games that are both less common and are less likely to score highly that number is going to increase.
@@Sh1neSp4rk some count is better than no count surely? The fact staff buy games, get them graded then sell them through auctions that are owned by the same people is laughable. There's also some probability they are rebuying their own games Given they manipulated the coin market in the same way is damning, same with comics
@@clownworld5474 Well I would argue for any of us with zero intent to do anything with graded games numbers are useless, so numbers or no numbers has exactly equal value. For those that are involved, numbers are only better than no numbers if they hit a certain level of accuracy. I suspect in this case the numbers they have would be well within that but as a general rule, super inaccurate data isn't better than no data. Again though it seems important to mention that the original question has nothing to do with their shady dealings, that's a completely separate question independent of these numbers.
I know people have their hate and love for PCWork produce game as they looked nearly 100% legit but they are marked with the PCWorks logo. Also I'd like to know that one of the great things about their repros are the fact that they're actually pressed cds and not just burnt CDR so they function just as good as the originals. I think that castlevania one is actually the English patch version too.
There could be a reason GTA 3 and vice city have the same number graded is cause on the original Xbox I believe it was only released in a double pack of both games
Pat, we both know that the Spiderman game is awesome! They should have got the Nerd to sign it first! Lol P.S. I really did have the Spiderman game growing up and it was fun to play. Although, just a little bit frustrating. A little ;)
Correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm sincerely not being a hater here, but I believe Frank Cifaldi used to verify these games for WATA, as they also gave him access to protos that went through them. From my understanding he doesn't do it anymore
Magic Cards are looked at as investments at this point. My best friend that passed away in Sept. 2021 from Covid had a Million dollars worth of Magic Cards. His wife played Magic thankfully so she knew what they were worth. Enough to pay off the house and help her raise their 2 kids.
WATA should be forced to reimburse the seller of the repro for the full estimated fair market value of the item as if it were legitimate. WATA made the mistake. They should have to pay the price for it.
WATA should face a lawsuit for every time they have graded something incorrectly also. They are a company that is profiting off of this. They should be punished when they make mistakes. This impacts people's finances, it should impact WATA also.
Most of these are for sure speculators. But if I was a collector (I'm not) I could absolutely see the value in paying $50-$70 to get my game graded just for the extra allure. There is a difference for casuals to say "Check out my sealed copy of Mario Kart" vs. "Check out my sealed 9.8 pristine copy of Mario Kart". That would be well worth the additional cost just for the awe factor
This ebay seller is definitly a scumbag seller though, they threatened to sue people who exposed it as a repro unless they deleted the videos exposing them. They had other Dracula X repro copies listed on ebay that weren't graded that they were trying to charging an absurd amount for as well, they just didnt get the same attention because theybwerent graded.
Ian, you forgot to mention the console created by the guy who did the Micro Machine comercies. By the speed of your reading, I think you might be secretly working for Him! J K of course. Good, oration though :)
I think for most people that want to play retro emulation in software is good enough and for a few emulation in hardware which will cost less than one game from WATA. I personally am just waiting to put my money on a FPGA system that can do FPGA to pull the trigger on one and I have no plans to get anything older than 6th gen. If it plays close to the original that is good enough for me. I don't have the money nor space for all the games I want to play in their original form and eventually these will all die and need to be preserved in another way.
I'm literally a minute into this video and it's so transparent to me that Pat has and does have a bias against wata. I really wish people woke up to that crap. He bashes wata incessantly for anything he can but do you sheep realize vga promised pop reports over a year ago and nothing,zilch,nada but again that won't be talked about on here. Wata is by far the most transparent video game grading company there is, they are the only ones with pop reports period and they had them last year and are actively expanding them. I'm not a wata shill but it's ridiculous the hatred Pat has towards them and you people need to understand his biased opinions. He was against them before this so called scandal too. These are facts
Surprised the amount of San Andreas also aren't on level with 3 and Vice City. I would assume they are close together in number because right near before PS2 titles became obsolete in retail Rockstar released a trilogy bundle with all 3 games in their seperate game covers.
Didn't Mad Little Pixel's last video say that Wata reached out to the seller, and the seller refused to send it back unless they also paid some amount for the game?
An actual professional grading company anywhere near the investigative expertise from Sotheby's and other well known experts would look more like this: 1. Is the box for the product, and any other boxes used to package the product, the exact material used to make the box(es) at the time of manufacturing. Exactly the same, right down to the chemical compounds? Are con artists today using materials of today to make products mimicking those boxes of the past? Materials were limited in the past. 2. Is the ink used for printing used to print any of the materials that are part of the product, from the box, posters, guide books, stickers on cartridge, and so on, the exact chemical compound of the ink from that time of original manufacturing? Are con artists using ink of today to print materials of the past? Ink was limited in type in the past. 3. Are the colours printed the exact same used to print any of the materials of product from the box, posters, guide books, sticker on the cartridge, and so on, the exact colours "possible" from the time of original manufacturing? As in, how many colours were possible to print with at the time of manufacturing? Are con artists using printers from colours today to print old game materials? Colours were limited in the past. 4. Is the paper used to make the booklets, pamphlets, stickers on cartridge, and other materials included in the product exactly the same chemical compound used at the time of original manufacturing? Are con artists using paper or materials of today to mimic materials used at the time of manufacturing in the past? 5. Is the plastic or materials used to make the cartridge and box or casing the same exact chemical compound at the time of original manufacturing? Are con artists using 3d printers or processes of today to mimic the product at the time of original manufacturing? 6. Is the video game in the cartridge, cd, or whatever data storage of the game the exact video game created at the time of manufacturing. Are con artists reintroducing roms of today onto a cartridge, cd, or whatever data storage being used for the game onto newly made or old cartridges because the original was corrupted, damaged, or lost? 7. Is the original program made for creating the game the same exact program with the same exact lines of programming used at the time original creation of the game? Are con artists using roms, programs or processes of today to mimic the video game at the time of the original creation or the game? Every single line of programming must be looked at by the original creators of the game, the original company that created the game, or an expert in the knowing of every single line of programming of the game. All efforts must be made to ensure the video game is the exact game in every way, right down to every line of programming. Even the parts of the game that are lacking in quality must appear to be the exact same at time of the creation of the game. 8. Every effort must be made to ensure that video games are the exact same at the time of the creation of the game with regards to the colours: colour palette, colour saturations, colour choices in any way shape or form. The colours throughout the entire video game must be inspected throughout the entire video game. All levels of a video game must be inspected thoroughly to ensure that everything is in the exact condition the game was at the time of manufacturing. Are con artists creating the programs and colours with processes today to mimic the game at the time of original manufacturing? 9. Is the video game playable from beginning to end and plays exactly the same way, and for every possible scenario exactly the same at the time of the creation of the game? Are con artists creating game packages with no video game inside the cartridge, in the cd, or other data storage devices sold at the time of manufacturing? Are con artists creating video games that are incomplete, corrupted, damaged, missing code, missing programs, missing anything with regards to the video game at the time of the original creation of the game? Is it the original video game in every way? Has an expert, original creator, programmer, company inspected the contents of the cartridge, cd, or other data storage device in every way to compare to its original state at the time of the original creation of the game? 10. Is every material and program to make the physical product and video game the exact same as it was at the time of the original creation of the product? 11. Have experts been consulted from around the world that were involved in the original creation of the video game production...in every way? From the physical properties, to the exact chemical compounds, to the exact programming language, to the exact colours of ink and video game, and to all other properties mentioned above or not mentioned above? Is it the original in every way, shape, or form? 12. This is a long arduous process. These investigations could take years. They would never take a week or a day. Never. 13. Has the video game industry and video game community been consulted, respectively, across the world in any way to investigate the possibility of fraud? And if this was the case, is WATA or any person or company claiming to have a monopoly on video game grading, respectful and open to any possibility of fraud? 14. This is just the beginning of me processing what I know about how products are scrutinized professionally if graded or judged on its monetary value in all other collecting avenues. Let's hope a video game valued at $4,000 has been scrutinized in every way by all of the experts, especially experts involved in the original creation of the video game. Are they really ready to grade? Are they really up to par with Sotheby's or other experts in the field of collecting? I don't think so. I've only scratched the service of what actual grading and investigating frauds are supposed to involve when being a reputable business. WATA, or any person or company does not cover nearly enough avenues to be able to judge the value of a video game if it has not begun to do any of the investigative processes I have mentioned above. Very sad.
Isn’t there a chance the seller knew this was counterfeit and just got away with one? They have tons of pc engine works stuff for sale on their eBay site. When madlittle pixel brought this up on his RUclips page the seller threatened to sue him.
Sad to listen to RUclips "experts" flatly equate grading quanity and rarity to collectible value, and completely disregard game popularity and demand as a driving factor.
250 Halo 3..... I recall STACKS AND STACKS AND STACKS of them at a Best Buy, with the cat helmet. I'm okay, with a rare misprint, that has "hello 3" but when it comes to the most common games, you can really smell that grift.
I would agree with the last statement except for the fact that the seller had 2 or 3 of them and never disclosed the fact that they were fake.....the guy is a 🤡
I collect Videogames for 30+ years. I laugh in the Face of every idiot that buys graded Shit!! You where ripped off guys! Only the Grading Companys make money.
I don't understand why a game like Super Mario Bros which sold millions of copies and was even packed in with new nes consoles sells for huge money. There are millions of them. It's not a rare game. 😳
@@Wallyworld30 *sigh* As long as anything is sealed I suppose. I have Rigatoni pasta I haven't opened...I sure hope after it's sealed it will be valuable.
@@TheCarolinaCollector I went through a video game collect them all phase where I'd buy entire collections from people. Many times these collections would include sealed NES games and sealed games for other systems. First thing I'd do was put all the sealed games up for sale on eBay. I have zero interest in owning a game I can't play. One of those game I sold off was a sealed Mike Tyson's Punchout for like $200 but now I look at what they sell for and it's bananas.
hi google, how many copies of mario 64 were sold?? Super Mario 64 (1996) With just under 12 million copies sold, Super Mario 64 is officially the best selling N64 game of all time!Mar 13, 2022...pat and ian. IT'S NOT RARE SEALED THERE ARE OVER 200 COPIES 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Damn, if I fouId a sealed, "Rule of rose". I would sell it and buy a nice, open one, along with a whole bunch of open games. Games to play! Because. I WANT TO PLAY IT! , not wait for the value to go up! I can't afford to buy a used, original copy!! I just want to play it on my PS2 slim, not a repro. Not a online version! Just the original game. #For the Love of the Video Game! I've never owned a cell phone or sent a text, so I might have screwed up somewhere. If I did, oops! Cheers from Canada
This seller was totally a scumbag seller. Madlittlepixel did a video on this, and the seller threatened to sue him because of it. Then after all the backlash, the seller took the listing down.
Haha! Now he has to comply and send the game back to WATA so it's "properly graded". 😂 Seller was a scumbag and WATA is not good at what they are supposed to be "experts" at.
Ten years ago, would never thought be discussing this about collecting video game. Glad I quit awhile ago so not to witness this happen to something that I loved to do, parading around the dead corpse of something ya love
I'm fine with companies grading games for speculation. But it really should be just sealed games that would have never otherwise been played or used. It's really lame when they start grading loose games or prototypes/beta/tester games. They shouldn't be even sniffing in the direction of reproductions. In any case, they should hire a REAL collector expert to ensure stuff doesn't slip by. What a story with this Rondo.
Repros are made because retro gaming has become so expensive now. Grading repros that aren't even official defeats the purpose. Repros are meant to be played and enjoyed. If you're gonna lock up the official games in a safe, fine. Put em in a museum for all I care. But leave the repros alone.
I dont even care about graded games id open em and play em cuz im a true gamer. I collect to play the game not sit there and look at em in a box. Ill never get that
Remember when one of Ian’s favorite customers tried to sell him a really bad fake little Samson and dinosaur peak? I wanna buy those copies so I can pass them through Wata so Danielle can ‘scoop’ them up and gloat about it. “We scooped the 3.7 and 2.5 for $600,000!!..IM ECSTATIC!!”
I remember people defending wata as being experts and providing an important authentication service to justify their practices. And they keep 'autenthicating' bootlegs, burned cds and media cartridges as prototypes. At this point, trusting wata would be quite naive
Exactly.
To be fair trusting wata has always been naive. They have no credentials whatsoever. Im just glad its starting to become more obvious.
@@thetrophysystem3697 Well, if you go back to their founding and the people they were working with (the people that bought nintendo age), they did have enough information to do the job. Kahn, being a collector, seems to be knowledgeable enough, though I can't say he graded anything. So they could have done a good job, had they not been embroiled in the whole market manipulation thing, which seems to have been their reason to be in the first place.
I did not know that. Thank you for sharing that info :)
If your information is correct, it will help, in the fight to expose this fraud.
Taking your info into account, it shows that they did have the potentiall to become a trusted name. They just chose to go down a different path.
They should have used their past experience and gain trust, over time.
It's like when eBay first appeared on the scene.
The majority of people were skeptical. Rightfully so.
Giving your money yo someone you don't know, to reveive an item you have never scene, in person, (They also let you sell, without a photo, at the begining!!) Was a recipe for disaster.
It took ebay years to develope a trust with the public.
The purchase of Paypal, the money back guarantee, word of mouth, etc.
All of these examples combined, is why they are nearly invincible, in 2023.
WATA has done the opposite and hopefully, over time, people will realise, that their company is acting in a fraudulent manner.
Untill then, I'm reminded of the old adage, "There is a sucker born every minute".
Cheers from Canada
Ditto
2:50 Lol, the future of game collecting... Instead of label variants, grading variants. "I have a 9.8 copy." "Yeah, well mine is 9.0! That's even more rare than 9.8!"
Imagine wanting to collect every grading variant of every label variant of every game ever released O_o
The GTA numbers are massive due to the PS2 trilogy packs. People were cracking the large box open and sending in the 3 separate games endlessly becuase people were dumb enough to pay near 1000 for them - and of course, they were all mint, hence the high grades on all of them. That's why it's so important to open the tab and examine the variants. Trilogy editions are identifiable vs regular prints and are labelled separately on the pop report.
Those trilogy packs are still very easy to find haha. There truly are an endless amount.
King!
You said it so I didn’t have to.
@@leeartlee915 🤝
Saw mad little pixel's video on this nonsense It's completely ridiculous to charge that much money for a repro rondo a blood. And even when they're grading modern games, they're not going to be worth that much even after 20 years
And then the seller threatened to sue him for saying it's a repro.
Fuck right off.
Depends on the type of modern game, but then the question becomes who would spend that amount of money on the game lol.
I can see niche anime games skyrocket in value since only so many are produced, and it's not expected ( or was at least back in the day) to sell many copies. Looking back at games like the Inuyasha rpg on ps2 or even the original ps2 dot hack game they can get pricey at times. I laugh when looking at the Amazon prices ( at the time of this comment) with the prices for "Bleach the 3rd phantom" and then going to Ebay where the prices are actually reasonable for a ds game lol.
Yeah. I saw Zelda BOW switch game on grading. I just laugh at it.
mad little incel
@@tr1bes are you serious? Lol
I'm glad I will never take place in stuff like this. I just play games man... Those are the games I collect. The ones I want to play and enjoy.
I worked in a game shop in the late 90s early 00s, there were a couple of coustomers whom bought two copies of every game they believed would become "rare", one to play and one to sell sealed if it became valuable
Mad Little Pixel did a video on this auction and the seller emailed him threatening to sue him for slander. He made a second video about that. Expect an email from the seller soon.
And from looks of it that seller took the rondo of blood reproduction down from auction.
Best Electronics in California had pallets of 2600 Spider-Man for $29.99 new. They've had them since the early '90s and only ran out in the last couple of years. I'm sure that's where these were sourced from. Video Games New York had sealed cases of N64 Perfect Dark last year. These games aren't rare.
When I get an old man there going to be so much of this collector shit being dumped for sale most going to be worthless
I wouldn't be surprised if there are stockpiles of sealed copies of Rule of Rose. It was one of those games that everyone already "knew" would be rare *before* it even reached store shelves, and I'm certain there are more than a few people that bought multiple copies entirely to set aside and sell years later.
The 9's or higher are way to common. Alot of the rare trading cards are usually more rare due to them being sets of 100. Or jersey cards that have maybe 50 cards total. And even then, trading cards generally harder to maintain and there are way lower grades. Average trading cards tend to be high sevens to eights. But low sevens and six's are normal too.
For an amusing statistic, the regular Halo 2 is worth more than the collector edition because all kinds of speculators bought the collector edition and fewer people bought the regular version.
I mean depends on which era you are talking about. Newer stuff from the 90's onward? I'd be shocked if most stuff being graded wasn't in good shape. A good chunk of that stuff is going to have been yanked directly from shipping crates in near perfect condition so anything less than a 9.8/9.6/9.4/9.2/9.0 would be shocking.
I find it so hilarious just how many graded copies they have of GTA V. That's gotta be one of the most common games in existence as it's really recent and one of the best selling games of all time. It's also gotta be one of the most worthless games too, because they have given away digital copies multiple times, and you can pick up a cib copy on ebay for around $10.
Just shows how corrupt Wata has become with grading of video games. Why you think Wata keeps grading them?
@@CAPCOM784 wata isn’t in the rarity business. They are in the grading business!
in good coin dealerships they can have reference collections and a "black library" of fakes to weed them out
The WATA guys belong behind bars.
Or, better yet, a grave.
@@T.k.b.a.h.a No. I don't give a shit what kind or level of evil it is, whether it's scamming people, corporate greed, mass murder, or some vile dictator committing genocide of another country because they had the "audacity" to tell him no!! I don't care if it involves "toys" or lives or whatever, *I will NOT "calm down" until ALL evil is punished.*
@@T.k.b.a.h.a You realize we are talking about criminal scammers?
@@T.k.b.a.h.a It's never ok to manipulate people in any kind of way. People that think there's nothing wrong are usually the ones who are part of that problem or creating it themselves? Wata is a very corrupt company indeed....
Spending money for grading GTA is just insane😂
Yeah but look at this way. The big ticket items in the news are mario 1/mario 3/mario 64. All very popular titles and all only pretend worth what they are because Wata and speculators created arbitrary distinctions to make incredibly common games worth money. So, who's to say that at some point in the future they won't come up with some other random arbitrary distinction for a GTA title? Wouldn't put it past them when they need a new headline for the press to regurgitate for buzz to prop this up.
@@xman777b important? Sure. Most important game ever? That’s a little much.
The reason why the number of copies of GTA 3 and GTA Vice City were the same when you looked, I imagine, has a LOT to do with the fact that as late as 2012 there were new copies of those games STILL being produced and sold in 3 packs with San Andreas, in original boxes with the manual and maps included.
This proves a good point what many have said for years.. There is a ton of these games sitting around in boxes still its not ultra rare..
The worst are the newer (ps3/xbox 360 onwards) where many of the sealed copies aren't even the full game since a huge number of games had important patches soon after release.
No the worst are Xbox One, PS4, etc up until now because they're 1/2 baked! 360 and PS3 games work fine unless online only games.
@@CAPCOM784 facts. The ps3/360/wii generation is the last great game generation
I owned the Beyond Shadowgate of PCE Memories, I had NO IDEA it was a reproduction. The level of quality is staggeringly good.
Back in the day i had a brand new copy of Rule of Rose when it came out. Played it and sold it to gamestop for probably about 5-6 dollars.
I kick myself in the ass often.
I'm in a similar-ish boat. What hurts is that I never trade in anything, not even when I was younger...except for ONE time, where Amazon had some trade in deal where if you hit a threshold, they gave you a big gift card to put towards a console purchase. So I traded in a bunch of meh stuff, alongside Xenosaga III (with lenticular cover, even), Silent Hill 3 and Silent Hill 4. Looking at the email from 2009, I got $6 for each Silent Hill, and $10 for Xenoblade III. Some of the rarest games I would have had in my collection, and I let them go so I could get a new console a little quicker. Efffff meeeee.
19:24 They even graded the disc too though. How they graded the disc that is supposedly sealed inside is anybody's guess.
You do have a point! What if the disc was damaged somehow or did not get manufactured correctly causing it not to play?🤔
X-ray vision
Have any of you braniacs ever heard of a CIB (Complete in Box) game...and how the components of the game can be graded individually since the game has been opened?
@@wileyhansen4143 I have! But it wasn't listed as CIB. It was listed as "Brand New: An item that has never been opened or removed from the manufacturer's sealing."
@@shsrpr Yes, the idiot listed it on Ebay as a "Brand New" item......which is wasn't.....but it's still not "anybody's guess" as to how the disk was graded. WATA obviously shouldn't have graded this game as authentic and have admitted to that. But WATA clearly labeled this as a CIB (Complete in Box) opened game on the front of their label. That's also why there's not a seal grade on the front of the label, and why all of the indivdual components were able to be given seperate grades on the back of the label. Madlittlepixel made a big deal wondering how they can grade the disc on this game in his original RUclips video too (at aroud the 5 minute mark in it)....which leaves me wondering exactly how much these RUclipsrs actually know about the hobby.
This podcast really has been a greatest hits
A real rogues gallery of CUP characters.
Looks like a GameStop Retro Quality Inspector decided to change gears and get a fresh start over at good old Wata! Keep living the dream, Steve!
Space Channel 5 on Dreamcast was given a 9.8 score 75% of the time that it is graded. 31 9.8s, 7 9.6s, and 3 8.5s.
I think I am going to send something to wata, but I only want to send the cheapest, most useless, and worst looking sealed game I can find. I have some bad ones, but I want to get the lowest score I can get. Mostly because I want to see how bad the service is to actually use, but also receiving a 1.5 on a 360 game would be at least a little funny. But yeah, then I could tell people how bad the service is from someone that isn't a reseller looking to get rich
Damn, I need to get my copy of Sneak King graded!
Except for maybe Fighter Z now Budokai 3 is generally considered the best ZBZ game ever made.
The thing that sucks about B3 on the collection though is that a lot of the music is different because many of the original tracks were plagiarized so they were replaced.
I can't have enough news on WATA. These scumbags must be exposed.
They are already exposed, but people who do not game and only want to make a good buck deal with these, any gamer with a brain buys a copy they can play and another one as backup, who needs a plastic box that you can't open and close?
@@MartyTheOneManParty_ What's wrong in his video? These mofo,s WATA and HA are colluding, Theirs CEOs are event on camera pretending they don't know each other at Pawn Stars. GTFO parasite.
The PS2 report is interesting. A lot of the games have no sealed copies because people knew they would never be worth anything. Who would want a sealed copy of Jimmy Neutron: Attack of the Twonkies?
But what I find interesting about it is the .hack games. The GU trilogy sits around an equal number of sealed copies, but the sealed copies of IMOQ become more common as you go down the series and the games get rarer.
Their Pop Reports seem to be bogus to me. I looked up some of the lower quantity graded games in Price Charting to see if there had been any sales history. In looking up "Chronicles of the Sword", there was a sold Wata 9.8 in 2020, and there's only 1 in Wata's Pop Report with a grading level of 9.2. "Hercules" has 1 graded 9.4 on Wata, but 3 different versions in Price Charting sales history (none that match the grade in the Pop Report). Worse, given the link between Heritage Aurctions and Wata, Heritage sold a Wata graded copy of Hercules that Wata hasn't reported.
(Or I suppose people could have faked the Wata grading, but given everything surounding Wata, I'll point my finger at them first lol).
I still want to know what percentage of games get re-graded in an attempt to hit a higher rating. This is fairly common with CCG grading and certainly makes the numbers less definitive.
How would you know a game has already been graded? There's a serial number somewhere on each game? Regardless of this fact, the manipulation of the market and imo fraud is what we should be focusing on
@@clownworld5474 You wouldn't, that's the point. people who regrade take them out of their slab and send them back in. What I'm saying is that while a lot of people seemed pretty intense about wanting to see counts it's exceptionally difficult to know how accurate they are. They represent the number of times the company made a label for a title, not actually how many slabs there are.
Wata is terrible and shouldn't exist, I make no argument there. I'm just curious how accurate the data is, given that people read it as the number of graded copies, and how it compares to other things people get graded like cards.
Given how many super high scores they seem to be giving out it seems unlikely that there is much re-slabbing but I suspect as you move to older games that are both less common and are less likely to score highly that number is going to increase.
@@Sh1neSp4rk some count is better than no count surely? The fact staff buy games, get them graded then sell them through auctions that are owned by the same people is laughable. There's also some probability they are rebuying their own games
Given they manipulated the coin market in the same way is damning, same with comics
The crackout game is real
@@clownworld5474 Well I would argue for any of us with zero intent to do anything with graded games numbers are useless, so numbers or no numbers has exactly equal value. For those that are involved, numbers are only better than no numbers if they hit a certain level of accuracy. I suspect in this case the numbers they have would be well within that but as a general rule, super inaccurate data isn't better than no data.
Again though it seems important to mention that the original question has nothing to do with their shady dealings, that's a completely separate question independent of these numbers.
I enjoy these the most. Exposing these frauds doing grading. Thanks
Some I was dating had her kid over and he opened a sealed game of mine :(
I thought you guys were no longer making CU Podcast episodes? Please change your mind and continue making them!
I know people have their hate and love for PCWork produce game as they looked nearly 100% legit but they are marked with the PCWorks logo.
Also I'd like to know that one of the great things about their repros are the fact that they're actually pressed cds and not just burnt CDR so they function just as good as the originals.
I think that castlevania one is actually the English patch version too.
There could be a reason GTA 3 and vice city have the same number graded is cause on the original Xbox I believe it was only released in a double pack of both games
Pat, we both know that the Spiderman game is awesome!
They should have got the Nerd to sign it first!
Lol
P.S. I really did have the Spiderman game growing up and it was fun to play.
Although, just a little bit frustrating. A little ;)
Correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm sincerely not being a hater here, but I believe Frank Cifaldi used to verify these games for WATA, as they also gave him access to protos that went through them. From my understanding he doesn't do it anymore
I used to play magic the gathering and speculators got their hooks into that hobby too.
Magic Cards are looked at as investments at this point. My best friend that passed away in Sept. 2021 from Covid had a Million dollars worth of Magic Cards. His wife played Magic thankfully so she knew what they were worth. Enough to pay off the house and help her raise their 2 kids.
they ruined the old Legacy format and it’s impossible to play 93/94 without proxies unless you’re damned wealthy
WATA should be forced to reimburse the seller of the repro for the full estimated fair market value of the item as if it were legitimate. WATA made the mistake. They should have to pay the price for it.
WATA should face a lawsuit for every time they have graded something incorrectly also. They are a company that is profiting off of this. They should be punished when they make mistakes. This impacts people's finances, it should impact WATA also.
The worst thing, is this was a CIB Rondo, NOT sealed!. All they had to do was look at the inner ring on the disc to know it was PCE Works.
Most of these are for sure speculators. But if I was a collector (I'm not) I could absolutely see the value in paying $50-$70 to get my game graded just for the extra allure. There is a difference for casuals to say "Check out my sealed copy of Mario Kart" vs. "Check out my sealed 9.8 pristine copy of Mario Kart". That would be well worth the additional cost just for the awe factor
How long is it going to be until we see Tommy Tallarico and WATA on NBC’s American Greed? 🤑😂
Boomers would have to care about video games. LOL the only reason Fortnite got sued was because it was the parent's money!
There's people who watch the news who only know Candy Crush.
@@macuser7048 They'll do it. They did a mock episode for Better Call Saul.
This ebay seller is definitly a scumbag seller though, they threatened to sue people who exposed it as a repro unless they deleted the videos exposing them. They had other Dracula X repro copies listed on ebay that weren't graded that they were trying to charging an absurd amount for as well, they just didnt get the same attention because theybwerent graded.
Spider-Man from the 70s? Totally. Spider-Man from current decade? HELL NO
WATA should grade NFTs...
Ian, you forgot to mention the console created by the guy who did the Micro Machine comercies.
By the speed of your reading, I think you might be secretly working for Him!
J K of course. Good, oration though :)
I think for most people that want to play retro emulation in software is good enough and for a few emulation in hardware which will cost less than one game from WATA. I personally am just waiting to put my money on a FPGA system that can do FPGA to pull the trigger on one and I have no plans to get anything older than 6th gen. If it plays close to the original that is good enough for me. I don't have the money nor space for all the games I want to play in their original form and eventually these will all die and need to be preserved in another way.
I'm literally a minute into this video and it's so transparent to me that Pat has and does have a bias against wata. I really wish people woke up to that crap. He bashes wata incessantly for anything he can but do you sheep realize vga promised pop reports over a year ago and nothing,zilch,nada but again that won't be talked about on here. Wata is by far the most transparent video game grading company there is, they are the only ones with pop reports period and they had them last year and are actively expanding them. I'm not a wata shill but it's ridiculous the hatred Pat has towards them and you people need to understand his biased opinions. He was against them before this so called scandal too. These are facts
I should get my GTA V signed by Steven Ogg graded lol. Oh and there are a lot of graded copies on eBay that have already sold for hundreds.
Thinking sealed ps3 or xbox 360 is somehow rare to the point of grading them is such a joke. 50% of my xbox/ps3 collection is still sealed.
Surprised the amount of San Andreas also aren't on level with 3 and Vice City. I would assume they are close together in number because right near before PS2 titles became obsolete in retail Rockstar released a trilogy bundle with all 3 games in their seperate game covers.
The ones in the bundle are marked not for resale so maybe that’s grouped differently
Didn't Mad Little Pixel's last video say that Wata reached out to the seller, and the seller refused to send it back unless they also paid some amount for the game?
Didn't know Ian was a part time auctioneer haha listing off those consoles I had to check and make sure it wasn't tech nine haha
Does anyone grade board games yet? I have my 1986 jeopardy ready to go!
An actual professional grading company anywhere near the investigative expertise from Sotheby's and other well known experts would look more like this:
1. Is the box for the product, and any other boxes used to package the product, the exact material used to make the box(es) at the time of manufacturing. Exactly the same, right down to the chemical compounds? Are con artists today using materials of today to make products mimicking those boxes of the past? Materials were limited in the past.
2. Is the ink used for printing used to print any of the materials that are part of the product, from the box, posters, guide books, stickers on cartridge, and so on, the exact chemical compound of the ink from that time of original manufacturing? Are con artists using ink of today to print materials of the past? Ink was limited in type in the past.
3. Are the colours printed the exact same used to print any of the materials of product from the box, posters, guide books, sticker on the cartridge, and so on, the exact colours "possible" from the time of original manufacturing? As in, how many colours were possible to print with at the time of manufacturing? Are con artists using printers from colours today to print old game materials? Colours were limited in the past.
4. Is the paper used to make the booklets, pamphlets, stickers on cartridge, and other materials included in the product exactly the same chemical compound used at the time of original manufacturing? Are con artists using paper or materials of today to mimic materials used at the time of manufacturing in the past?
5. Is the plastic or materials used to make the cartridge and box or casing the same exact chemical compound at the time of original manufacturing? Are con artists using 3d printers or processes of today to mimic the product at the time of original manufacturing?
6. Is the video game in the cartridge, cd, or whatever data storage of the game the exact video game created at the time of manufacturing. Are con artists reintroducing roms of today onto a cartridge, cd, or whatever data storage being used for the game onto newly made or old cartridges because the original was corrupted, damaged, or lost?
7. Is the original program made for creating the game the same exact program with the same exact lines of programming used at the time original creation of the game? Are con artists using roms, programs or processes of today to mimic the video game at the time of the original creation or the game?
Every single line of programming must be looked at by the original creators of the game, the original company that created the game, or an expert in the knowing of every single line of programming of the game. All efforts must be made to ensure the video game is the exact game in every way, right down to every line of programming. Even the parts of the game that are lacking in quality must appear to be the exact same at time of the creation of the game.
8. Every effort must be made to ensure that video games are the exact same at the time of the creation of the game with regards to the colours: colour palette, colour saturations, colour choices in any way shape or form. The colours throughout the entire video game must be inspected throughout the entire video game. All levels of a video game must be inspected thoroughly to ensure that everything is in the exact condition the game was at the time of manufacturing. Are con artists creating the programs and colours with processes today to mimic the game at the time of original manufacturing?
9. Is the video game playable from beginning to end and plays exactly the same way, and for every possible scenario exactly the same at the time of the creation of the game? Are con artists creating game packages with no video game inside the cartridge, in the cd, or other data storage devices sold at the time of manufacturing? Are con artists creating video games that are incomplete, corrupted, damaged, missing code, missing programs, missing anything with regards to the video game at the time of the original creation of the game? Is it the original video game in every way? Has an expert, original creator, programmer, company inspected the contents of the cartridge, cd, or other data storage device in every way to compare to its original state at the time of the original creation of the game?
10. Is every material and program to make the physical product and video game the exact same as it was at the time of the original creation of the product?
11. Have experts been consulted from around the world that were involved in the original creation of the video game production...in every way? From the physical properties, to the exact chemical compounds, to the exact programming language, to the exact colours of ink and video game, and to all other properties mentioned above or not mentioned above? Is it the original in every way, shape, or form?
12. This is a long arduous process. These investigations could take years. They would never take a week or a day. Never.
13. Has the video game industry and video game community been consulted, respectively, across the world in any way to investigate the possibility of fraud? And if this was the case, is WATA or any person or company claiming to have a monopoly on video game grading, respectful and open to any possibility of fraud?
14. This is just the beginning of me processing what I know about how products are scrutinized professionally if graded or judged on its monetary value in all other collecting avenues. Let's hope a video game valued at $4,000 has been scrutinized in every way by all of the experts, especially experts involved in the original creation of the video game.
Are they really ready to grade?
Are they really up to par with Sotheby's or other experts in the field of collecting?
I don't think so.
I've only scratched the service of what actual grading and investigating frauds are supposed to involve when being a reputable business. WATA, or any person or company does not cover nearly enough avenues to be able to judge the value of a video game if it has not begun to do any of the investigative processes I have mentioned above.
Very sad.
Isn’t there a chance the seller knew this was counterfeit and just got away with one? They have tons of pc engine works stuff for sale on their eBay site. When madlittle pixel brought this up on his RUclips page the seller threatened to sue him.
He had other PCE Works games for sale...
@@markl1109 They clearly say PCE Works on the cases and CDs themselves! Really not fooling anyone who is seriously into collecting for that system.
@@Clay3613 I was agreeing...
Sad to listen to RUclips "experts" flatly equate grading quanity and rarity to collectible value, and completely disregard game popularity and demand as a driving factor.
250 Halo 3..... I recall STACKS AND STACKS AND STACKS of them at a Best Buy, with the cat helmet. I'm okay, with a rare misprint, that has "hello 3" but when it comes to the most common games, you can really smell that grift.
How can you even grade a sealed game? I've returned sealed cd's and dvd's that didn't work or it was the wrong music on the cd.
Pat should crack open his WATA game
even though your weekly podcast is going away, you should still do a video game news segment every week
What’s going away?
I don’t think I’ve ever said “ooof” out loud before…
I would agree with the last statement except for the fact that the seller had 2 or 3 of them and never disclosed the fact that they were fake.....the guy is a 🤡
That's exactly what I was trying to portray!!!! They're just like scratch offs!!!!!
Now I can send in my copy of Secret Of Mana 2 on SNES!
Where do you get the database they used in the video?
If my Star Wars figures from the 90's are worth less now than they were at release, I refuse to believe 360 games will ever be worth grading
Im gonna speculate too: 90% of this modern graded slabbed stuff is gonna be worth f all
Facts.
The seller probably knew it a repo and sent it in to Wata to get it appraised, Wata probably appraises anything to make money..
Man on the left is running out of breath just talking! Stay healthy guys! Please 😢
I collect Videogames for 30+ years. I laugh in the Face of every idiot that buys graded Shit!! You where ripped off guys! Only the Grading Companys make money.
I don't understand why a game like Super Mario Bros which sold millions of copies and was even packed in with new nes consoles sells for huge money. There are millions of them. It's not a rare game. 😳
Did you guys mention Metroid A revision?
That Link "Vinyl costume & mask" in the background is creepy AF. 😅
Its not a loss until you sell. its all about having assets.
Got my copy of sealed Fortnite graded. Going to retire in 30 years, joke's on you!
I bet this is a CYA situation. Like we’ve made our money, now let’s look like we’ve done due diligence.
Are these games going have to get regraded do to possible sunlight damage ect...
They are in uv protected cases
Did anyone watch Red Letter Media's Nukie video? I hope all of these sealed games sat by a super magnet and don't work.
They have been encased in an acrylic slab it doesn't matter if they work or not.
@@Wallyworld30 *sigh* As long as anything is sealed I suppose. I have Rigatoni pasta I haven't opened...I sure hope after it's sealed it will be valuable.
@@TheCarolinaCollector I went through a video game collect them all phase where I'd buy entire collections from people. Many times these collections would include sealed NES games and sealed games for other systems. First thing I'd do was put all the sealed games up for sale on eBay. I have zero interest in owning a game I can't play. One of those game I sold off was a sealed Mike Tyson's Punchout for like $200 but now I look at what they sell for and it's bananas.
Won’t the batteries and capacitors eventually fail and leak?, potentially ruining the incased high grade game.
That will happen to some and it's going to look weird to have a 9.8 graded NES game with brown juice stains on the box inside the seal.
As far as I can tell, there’s no grading of the game itself. Just the packaging.
New contest! See who cane get the lowest rating for a game through watta!
I'm going to get my vintage wallet WATA graded..
they used to grade games people make at home for fun.
hi google, how many copies of mario 64 were sold?? Super Mario 64 (1996)
With just under 12 million copies sold, Super Mario 64 is officially the best selling N64 game of all time!Mar 13, 2022...pat and ian. IT'S NOT RARE SEALED THERE ARE OVER 200 COPIES 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Damn, if I fouId a sealed,
"Rule of rose". I would sell it and buy a nice, open one, along with a whole bunch of open games. Games to play!
Because. I WANT TO PLAY IT! , not wait for the value to go up! I can't afford to buy a used, original copy!!
I just want to play it on my PS2 slim, not a repro. Not a online version! Just the original game.
#For the Love of the Video Game!
I've never owned a cell phone or sent a text, so I might have screwed up somewhere. If I did, oops!
Cheers from Canada
This seller was totally a scumbag seller. Madlittlepixel did a video on this, and the seller threatened to sue him because of it. Then after all the backlash, the seller took the listing down.
Haha! Now he has to comply and send the game back to WATA so it's "properly graded". 😂 Seller was a scumbag and WATA is not good at what they are supposed to be "experts" at.
Ten years ago, would never thought be discussing this about collecting video game. Glad I quit awhile ago so not to witness this happen to something that I loved to do, parading around the dead corpse of something ya love
And I bet you could divide those exact GTA numbers by what a normal PS2 shipping box is and get a clean number. This is silly.
I want to know what’s your opinion on dkoldies
Ironically that fake Rondo game might actually become quite valuable due to the fact that it is now famous and living proof of WATA's ineptness.
I'm fine with companies grading games for speculation. But it really should be just sealed games that would have never otherwise been played or used. It's really lame when they start grading loose games or prototypes/beta/tester games. They shouldn't be even sniffing in the direction of reproductions. In any case, they should hire a REAL collector expert to ensure stuff doesn't slip by. What a story with this Rondo.
How's your stickers bro
Holly smokes time passed I followed these guys for years .... they got big n oan getting Grey hairs man I'm getting old
Repros are made because retro gaming has become so expensive now. Grading repros that aren't even official defeats the purpose. Repros are meant to be played and enjoyed. If you're gonna lock up the official games in a safe, fine. Put em in a museum for all I care. But leave the repros alone.
Not necessarily. They were made so that more people can play otherwise horrendously expensive games that they will never afford.
This wasn’t even graded as sealed. I think it was graded just complete in box which is even worse.
WATA heritage Jim Halparen all names to avoid for decades now. they should be in jail.
I can't believe people get junk graded. Hilarious.
I dont even care about graded games id open em and play em cuz im a true gamer. I collect to play the game not sit there and look at em in a box. Ill never get that
Remember when one of Ian’s favorite customers tried to sell him a really bad fake little Samson and dinosaur peak? I wanna buy those copies so I can pass them through Wata so Danielle can ‘scoop’ them up and gloat about it. “We scooped the 3.7 and 2.5 for $600,000!!..IM ECSTATIC!!”
Cringegirl??
Not sure who that is, I know her by the alias Nerdy Girl Comics
God i will miss you guys when you will stop making these podcast....
COMPLETELY NECESSARY PODCAST !!!
The seller was also selling other PCE Works games loose... I still they should be a scumbag seller of the week.