With respect from Bruce Lee “I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times.” Never ever underestimate people that do over and over. Again, with respect.
they slowed down for the film sake, if they use the proper speed of the technique you can't enjoy the feels dude so be careful saying that in front of people who train
The "unrealistic" thing here is that a lot of fighters are MMA nerds who enjoy new technique. It's a lot more likely that fighters in the gym would be like, "Oh, wait, you know traditional karate? Cool! I never got into it." And the whole thing breaks down into a training session for the guys who aren't actively training for a pro fight.
But there _have_ to be at least _some_ toxic douches in a sport that revolves around being physically stronger and more able to beat up your opponent, especially when steroids are thrown into the mix, lol.
@@thelittlestgiant Yeah, but those guys get tossed out on their ear real quick. It’s not easy to make money running an MMA studio. You need to have a rep for welcoming all skill levels and types of you want to pay the rent. Toxic people get tossed out quick. I’ll be super duper generous and suggest that our antagonist is dehydrated as hell from trying to cut weight for a fight. Hard to be polite when your brain is a raisin. Give him a pack of Gummi Bears and 7 gallons of Gatorade. He’s probably a lot more mellow then. :)
@@thelittlestgiant Douchebags do exist but they don't stick around for long or they get kicked out. This is a twats stereotypical view of what whites act like to other people is what it really is.
@Jacob Monier Okay? Fuck his belt, show me his fight record. When Jai has the desire to do any of his Martial Arts professionally (which it's far too late for btw.) that's when I won't doubt his skill. Half the shit he says is bullshit, just go watch him talk about Kimbo Slice(AFTER he passed mind you), and all the bullshit he actually just made up about the Shaolin Temple.
I remember one time I was at IHOP late at night. A group of people were being seated at a table near us. One guy asked if he could switch seats with another guy. That guy asked why, in which the other guy responded, "I like to keep my back facing the wall, it's a karate thing." Karate is about discipline, respect, honor... and taking every opportunity to let someone know you take Karate.
My dad was a police officer. He always sat where he could observe the largest portions of a crowded restaurant as possible. He never explained why until I was much older, and his only explanation was "if there's a problem, I want to see it coming" Had nothing to do with karate, and he never announced it. People who flash their black belts around, or their six months of mixed martial arts, they rarely perform in actual real life scenarios. I'd bet on a fresh army recruit just out of basic training over a standard five year karate student any day, particularly how training for both goes in the US.
@@matthewbrown5228 I think that's a trait that literally every single person has, it doesn't make you a badass but like why would you not want to face potential threats lmao WHEN I'M WALKING THROUGH THE GHETTO, I DON'T WEAR A BLINDFOLD, SOME PEOPLE CALL ME A LEGEND
@@ephemera2 ooooh, okay, cool. After living with a cop for dad and having a cop as a brother, thank you for teaching me the real truth. They both did such a good job at lying to me for years. You can think what you will of cops. I really don't care.
Why are so many people in the comments section taking this so seriously? It's obviously just a movie, relax. IRL he would have busted out the fireballs or dragon punch and ended the MMA guy way faster.
@@Yoloson12344 My original comment was more in jest then anything else, but all joking aside... Come on. You don't have to scroll down too far into the comments to see people having actual debates about the realism of this scene.
I've been studying shotokan karate for 10 years and I can absolutely confirm that the technique being depicted here, called being the main character, is 100% effective. Unfortunately I've never mastered it because I keep getting beaten up when I try to use it.
The only bad part about his technuiqe was that he kept his arm fully extended when blocking his opponents punch at the end. The video Tai chi vs mma has a good example of why you shouldnt do that.
@Mandalorian Patriot thats just mma fighters who also trained in karate using aspects of karate, not a tradional karate fighter using only traditional karate. The guys you linked are mma fighters who are simply using karate to throw people off with the unconventional hard to predict attacks from creative angles not thought of in the traditional kickboxing/wrestling and grappling mix you tend to see in mma. And naturally when these flashy moves catch people off guard, they are highlights. What you fail to show is that their entire core game plan is not set in traditional karate stance and movements but rather around keeping true to the mma fundamentals and playing pick and mix with their karate skillset to catch people off guard like i said earlier. If you wanna prove your point, stick a traditional karate master or practitioner that isn't already an mma fighter into the octagon like the and see how it plays out. That's what i was talking about, not seasoned mma fighters getting creative lmao.
@Mandalorian Patriot karate here in the uk's dojos is quite different to whatever those guys you linked me were using. Although yeah i did think jiu jitsu was 99 percent grappling as that's all i've ever seen of it in the gracie foundation's training vids, and no i haven't heard of the samurai shit, sounds cool as hell wanna look into it later.
@Mandalorian Patriot bruh what is it with karate senseis and hurting tf out of their students, i had this friend in high school who did karate who always told me mad shit about his sensei putting his students through all kinds of pain 😂😂😂
When I was a young man, I studied traditional Karate, then followed it with Judo and Taekwondo. After I learnt all I could I studied Krav Maga, Ninjutsu and then Sambo. Finally, I moved onto Thai Kickboxing, and finished with Kung Fu. Then I put down the magazine and went outside.
The big lesson here, as a fighter, is to note your opponent's strengths, mannerisms, and patterns...and prepare your training accordingly. MJW is sooo underated as a fighter, and as an actor. I really wish he were in more films.
@@eriklarson9137 But you see, he was using that special karate move where you can temporarily slow down time (a side effect of this technique is that the world becomes black and white) and make your opponent disappear for a moment so that you can practice your counter attack. This was developed in the 12th century and is still very effective to this day.
That's how practicing martial arts works. You practice the moves in repetition with no opponent, then try those same moves in the ring in order to calculate their effectiveness and your own efficiency with them. It's the difference between visualization and execution. Read a book.
@@squeezyjibbz7407 Why so serious man? 🤣 I am well aware, I have dabbled in many martial arts, though I am by no means an authority in any. I must have forgot to put my #it’sjustajoke tag.
Dude didn't know what he was in for. Wait till he takes his weighted shirt off and it shatters the floor and he starts to move so fast you can't see him.
I do not need a film to tell me the effectiveness of Karate. I have already seen Ryu and Ken from Street Fighter. Therefore, I know traditional karate is legit.
Lady Undine what? Ive studied muya thai mma and shaolin kung fu and i can say that karate wouldnt have any chances against some pure fighter inside the ring. And outside of the ring theres no doubt about krav maga being the best for its dirtyness and pure intent to win no matter what.
Lady Undine and style matters quite a fukin lot. I mean obviusly fighter means more but i didnt mean like 5yo thaiboxer could beat up a 35yo black belt like tf how dumb are you
I have studied Okinawan Uechi Ryu and several other styles of karate. Uechi Ryu incorporates a wide variety of karate, judo, strikes, blows, blocks, kicks, holds, Aikido-like throws, joint locks and take down techniques. It is a very versatile and strong style that came from China to Japan. Still, the best way to "win" a fight is to not be IN a fight. Everybody gets hurt in a fight, including the winner. It's not like the movies.
@@1notgilty by way of the Indian Buddhist priest and Ch'an (Zen) patriarch Bodhidharma, known to the Chinese as Ta Mo (Dah-moh) and Daruma to the Japanese. He is our great grandfather as far as Karate goes.
I win the visualization part of the fight every single time; but when real action starts, my opponents don't follow the script, and my ambulance bills are piling up. I now wear a "do not resuscitate" tag around my neck.
@@syckles But of course. We Canadians are so polite that we never hit anyone without asking if it’s alright first, and then we apologize profusely once the kerfuffle is over with a nice hot Tim Hortons coffee🤣
When someone gets in a fight with the school bully, loses, then reimagines how it could have gone in their head, grows up, films it, and posts it on RUclips.
The point here is to show that training with Katas prepare you for the actual application of the moves. There are many Katas in any given form of Karate, and each move in a Kata is against an invisible opponent you need to "see" in your mind. You imagine that you are actually blocking and striking, with dedicated and forceful moves, against a real opponent. The movie had the Karateka flashing back to the specific Katas that he had studied, in order to show you the application of those moves in a real fight. Once those moves are memorized, they don't need to be thought about; but rather they are automatically generated by the threat presented in that moment. An opponent usually "telegraphs" their intentions, and a studied pro will respond without thought, using a feint or block--mixed with a counterstrike when applicable. I thoroughly enjoyed this segment, and I showed it to my son who is studying the same basic form of Karate I studied back in the 70's. He now has a better understanding of why Katas are so vitally important to Karate. It's no coincidence this video now has 45 million views. It's a realistic interpretation of a professional Karateka's reaction to threats. I just wish the sound track was better....
Yes its choreographed but a master of one art will usually win against someone who knows a little about many because when you specialize in one area your style becomes more fluent
I mean, "blackie chan" is michael jai white. He's actually pretty good at what he does. He probably would've whooped the arrogant dudes tail, NOT choreographed.
Real Fighters seeing someone who they don't presume is on their level: Either Ignore or Help Movie fighters seeing someone who they don't presume is on their level: *INSTANT BULLY*
Lol true. I only met one guy at the gym who was a sick about working out. Everyone else was really cool, and corrected my form when they saw me doing it wrong. Movie gym jocks on the other hand...
@@kyle18934 Haha, it's a cliché, but one that makes little sense. Sure there might be a few bullies in some places. But in most cases, fighters are way too occupied with their own training to focus on someone they don't even deem worthy.
"In summary: ears ringing, jaw fractured, three ribs cracked, four broken, diaphragm hemorrhaging. Physical recovery: 6 weeks. Full psychological recovery: 6 months. Capacity to spit at back of head: neutralized."
Having seen the moves being practiced it's hard to imagine how they're viable. It's actually very interesting seeing a person present and how the moves are meant to work
I took a karate class for a few months from an older traditional martial artist. I can't remember his nationality. The one main lesson I learned is that freestyle karate is vastly different then training. The purpose of training, and practicing those moves over and over is not to use those moves in those orders, it is to train the muscles to quickly respond in specific ways. During freestyle karate, for example, you don't crouch. You dance, keep moving, keep your opponent where you want them in relation to you. In training, you crouch and lunge and dip down. The purpose of training is to build muscle, and muscle memory. In freestyle, strikes are quick, and rarely land. You never want to get into a brawl like you do with judo or ju jitsu. You take advantage of openings when you can, and avoid your opponent doing the same. That's why other fighting styles are often superior. Jujitsu trains in grappling and close quarters combat. All a jujitsu master has to do is grab a jab or strike from a karate master, and the fight is basically over. Karate is a good introductory fighting style, learning the basics. But branching out, particularly to fighting styles that promote pressure training (ring fighting and actual controlled combat) is going to provide a much greater chance of actually making it through a real life fight. Even with the training I've done (not just in karate), in an actual street fight there is no predicting the enemy. Highly trained officers are killed because the person they were trying to take down threw a punch in a way the officer didn't see coming.
@@matthewbrown5228, yep. In my youth I was small compared to now. Started hand-to-hand and then Tang Soo-Do in high school. Continued Tang Soo-Do on first tour in South Korea along with Yudo and did some Hapkido training on my second tour. Outside of class I only had to use my training two times. Since I left the Army in 1981 I have not had to use it but I also never go looking for a fight. As an over-the-road driver for 27 years I went to some rough parts of our country and never really had a problem except once in Maryland. No blows exchanged but I think he got the idea I wasn't the one.
@@donotneed2250 Been a trucker myself! Not nearly as long, two years over the road (one hauling tankers) and then my wife had our first baby and we both decided that I needed to be closer to home, but I loved the road!
My son trained at American Top Team in Creek for about 4 years. And I can tell you that there were no assholes in that gym. All the fighters were really nice and polite, very friendly and humble too.
That's how it should be, the ones who are humble and respectful especially to new people are the ones who are successful in their craft and don't need to show off, losers like the fella in the video never last long in any actual decent fighting gym and are thrown out like the garbage they are very quickly.
David Kent yeah true and everyone should know by now that pretty much any martial art can be legit if trained with aliveness karate has done well in mma but it all depends on how they train and if they spar a lot
someone who doesn't understand this calm and meditate style of fighting more like Kung Fu watch karate kid 1,2,3 and cobra Kai And yes every style is good if u practice it correctly but in my opinion the calm style ones are better than aggressive but in street fights u gotta be aggressive if u want to win
The science behind karate is fascinating. Its essentially learning predetermined moves such that you can avoid the delay of reaction time that you would need when fighting conventionally and making decisions about what your next move is.
Yeah, but the problem with that is it assumes that your choreographed moves will match with the opponent. Once the opponent deviates from your predetermined choreography, you won’t have any natural way of responding
Thats why Karatekas train against every sort of attack there is. Every Punch, every kick. A scenario like that wont happen with full fledged Karatekas. They trained against every move, and even against many weapons, like knives and sticks. They learn to escape and counter locks and chokes. They learn to keep calm and focus through meditation and intensed focused muscle training. I seriously dont get why people call Karate less effective than other Martial Arts. Its primary use is for self-defence. It gets the job done.
@@TheZenhalilboy Karatekas usually don't even do sparring, just practice over-complicated and useless techniques in slow motion. See any professional karate tournament: you will hardly ever see any proper punches or blocks they practiced during trainings, just punching each other senselessly from 20 inches.
@@MrSaiyan333 Karate Tournaments are not meant to knock out your opponent. The Point of these tournaments is to win via points from clean strikes. Ever watched Karate Kid or Cobra Kai? They dont go punching and kicking till the opponent cant stand no more.
@@TheZenhalilboy I'm talking about Kyokushin, where it's usually not point based. But even if they want to win by points, why don't they use what they practiced before? Because those techniques are useless in a real fight, that's why. ruclips.net/video/W8ZaNTiR38s/видео.html They don't use any "classic" karate blocks, just randomly punching each other. And this is a world cup.
Earthbending is "Hungar KungFu". Toph uses "Southern Praying Mantis Style Kungfu" Firebending is "Saolin KungFu" Waterbending in "TaiChi" Airbending Is "Buguazhang" known for its Circular motions.
@@alienated8113 just share ur location I've done it tons of time here Indonesia, jakarta, kuningan epiwalk any day but at 16:00 call me when u arrived we can do it 2 ways fight cause we hate each other or a friendly sparring where in the end we gave each other small lesson and advice done but no one has shown up tho
This is why Kata is so important... To people who think it's just made up movements with no purpose. With the practice of Kata the movement becomes part of you , it becomes a automatic response. My Sensi taught us the first self defense move is not to be where you shouldn't be - second is to walk away whenever possible. third is to fight back so you can walk away. Keep the fancy moves in the ring and for tournaments. Street karate is a lot different.
Michael Jai White may be an actor but is a professional black belt with over 40years experience and 7 different black belts, if he actually fought professionally no one would stand a chance in boxing, kickboxing, mma, and/or Vale tudo.
@@HaKa1noSensh1 Sorry dude, but you simply do not know what you are talking about. Firstly, Michael Jai White is in his 50s, so I'm assuming you meant to say if MJW were in his prime, he would do well. Secondly, MJW is an actor. Yes he has been TRAINING all his life, but the keyword here is training. He has very little actual experience in live combat. What experience he does have is mostly in Taekwondo and Karate sport tournaments. The elite fighters in combat sports (mma, boxing, jiujitsu) have all been training their whole lives or the majority of their lives as well, but unlike MJW, they have also been COMPETING at an elite level for the majority of their lives. Actual competition and experience combined with training are what make truly elite fighters. Not just training alone.
Your comment is exactly how an ignorant weeb would comment on traditional techs aimed at maximizing damage and pain. Good job! Your impression was perfect! 😊😊
@@rodrigosierpe5995 The only thing maximized here is you how pathetic you sound. LMAO. Anyone that only uses one traditional technique will get their asses handed to them in MMA. Opponents don't just give openings like they do in this highly choreographed fluff piece.
Where I trained Kung Fu they teached us three things. 1 - Never get into a fight. 2 - If you can run alway, run alway. 3 - If you have to fight you will fight to disable your opponent the fastest and stop the fight. In 20 years I only had to fight once in my life. I was being mugged and in a moment of distraction I punched the robber throat. I trained that before multiple times, but they never teached us the people would gasp for air like he was dying.
@@johnconnor7501 he was arrested I had to go to to the precinct but since he was taken in the act I didn't had to go to in the trial. Never knew what happened after that. But being this Brazil and considering how lenient our judges are he probably was out back in the streets before the cops who arrested him got to their homes.
Yea an average mma fighter would probably shit on any karate master. In China there’s this random mma fighter that’s going around and absolutely destroying Chinese martial arts masters in seconds
@@verybored2416 Yeah that guy is a badass, beat up some gangsters to I'm pretty sure. He's hated badly in China, makes their fighting style seem to weak.
@@MrHammerman97 yea he’s hated so much and I’m pretty sure he went to trial in like the highest court in China bc He was shitting on all thier bs cultural history
There’s a 40 something ammeter MMA fighter in China who went on a tour fighting the best practitioners of traditional martial arts in all of China. 95% of the time he beat them unconscious within 10 seconds, the other 5% was within the first minute. Most martial arts are exclusively practiced against other partitioners of the same art in only sparing match’s so they have 0 actual battle testing even in controlled environments. Workout regularly and due some boxing and your likely have more combat potential then most martial artist. The only real benefit to martial arts has is it teaches discipline and hopefully keeps you to a active work out routine
I studied Shotokan in my 20s and it saved me alot of times when working at the local 7-11 on the graveyard shift. Shotokan has alot of throws and locks that were explained to me wrongly ( because alot of the instructors didn't know because they were never told) and when I went to other styles I would see the moves done correctly . I then went to Panantukan ( Filipino kickboxing) and Anis ( an offshoot of Fillipino Kali) .Shotokan came in habdy there too. and I learned even more about Shotokan doing empty hand Arnis techniques. and you can really end up with something real nice if you marry Karate and Kickboxing together. it worked for Lyoto Machida. so don't dicount traditional Karate. all martial arts have something to offer. otherwise I wouldn't still be around and I am now 60 and people say I look like I am 48 or 50. so experiment and keep kicking
at some point in time I plan on doing some you tube videos if this area is not too crowded already. I would show the moves correctly and talk about self defense with and without weapons. and thank you again for your kind comment
I've been practicing karate for around 7 years, I am black belt 2nd dan shotokan karate. Quite frankly from my experience things like are shown on this video rarely happen in real fights and I assure you I have been in a lot of fights both street and sport. Don't take me wrong, katas are great for training, fun to learn and practice and training/practicing katas make you a better karate-ka. But quite frankly it has never happened to me or to anybody I know to repeat exact kata sequence in a real fight. The problem with modern day karate is that it is highly sport-oriented instead of being real fight oriented. In almost any dojo I've been to they teach how to score points on the competitions, not how to actually fight in a real life situation. This is a source of a widespread criticism of karate by mma-fans. Most modern karate-kas are not very well adapted to fight by mma rules, but not because that karate is a bad fighting system, just because all their life there were trained to score points by touching their opponents instead of punching and kicking. It is a flaw of their training, not of karate. I was lucky enough to get a teacher who didn't give a fuck about sport and was just teaching us how to fight and that was awesome :)
Lazarus Long I agree with all your points but.. 7 years and already a second degree black belt? Whaaaat? I’ve been training for almost ten years in Uechi-Ryū and I’m a green belt. Maybe it’s cause they’re different styles? Idk man, have a nice day 😂
Jason Conover um.. no. That’s not how it works. You could be the best fighter around, and still be a white belt. They don’t automatically give you a black belt if you’re good (at least they shouldn’t). For example, one of my friends who practiced karate at a different dojo than me got second dan in about 5 years. Then he moved to my dojo and I sparred him, and it turns out he wasn’t all that good.
I've studied martial arts most my life and was a fighter for 5 years. And real fights don't go anything like this. A fight is messy and no matter how good you are, you will be hit. Unless you knock out your opponents before they get a chance.
@@iwannatalktosampson wym it isn’t true in a fight it’s always give and take now not saying every fight you’ll be touched bc not everyone knows how to fight but if it’s some one on ur personal level then yes you will be touched fights r give and take
Pablo Souffron i disagree. Film scenes depict it perfectly. This shows how amazing karate is. He used his training perfectly here and executed the moves. It just so happens that the sequence of moves made by opponent matches the training exactly. Well done. Excellent
This is the internet ,I can do anything I want. This video proves that karate is number one martial art. Just imagine what that black dude would do to him if they fought 20 years ago back when he was still Spawn and commanded hell's legions. Think before you speak
My bad Kung-fu panda is a cinematic master peice and the most accurate recreation of mma ever nothing hails in comparison not even ufc or profesional mma.
zalbortrox zalbortox what are you on about there are barely any karate fighters competing in mma you guys need to stop watching so much anime and hentai Boxing, wrestling and bjj are better than karate in any way just get over it
The effectiveness of real karate has already been demonstrated in the early MMA. It's not terrible, but you also notice it's not used anymore. All the systems can be improved by borrowing from other systems. That'd be the mixed part of Mixed Martial Arts.
@@jvanek8512 I mean maybe in the sense that MMA has leaned out the artistic flourishes that reduce effectiveness. But if MMA isn't an art it most certainly is a skill. And like any skill it takes time, effort, and a lot of thought. In fact I believe if a Classic Martial artist were to put as much effort into conditioning and practiced using their skill hours a day, day in and day out they would achieve very competitive results. But there are gaps in every system and if you are actually fighting or competing then you HAVE to be at liberty to adjust. Those fighting systems were once developed as needed. Only a love of history and tradition prevents adaptation. But the original practitioners and inventors of those systems would not have hesitated to continue to develop. Because they were martial systems. For war. And they wanted to win and not die. So by trying to preserve the history, you lose the function.
@@jvanek8512 What Wonderboy does is not traditional karate in any sense of the word. It is uniquely American karate and I don't mean that disparagingly.
Yeah your right old School doesn't work right? Best tell that to Lyoto Machida (karate) Anderson Silva (Muay Thai/Taekwondo) Stephen "Wonderboy" Thompson (Karate) Hmmmmm????? LOL try getting in a Ring or Dojo Before Shit talking.
I second this. Black belt test failed, because 70 year old dudes from Japan thought that my toes were once in a wrong position. Repeating the same moves over and over countless times felt pointless. Also didn't get in shape with Karate. Got in shape by working out when I wasn't doing Karate. It did teach me to throw a punch and reach with diffetent kicks without ever going out of balance, but no matter how good your tech is you can't do shit without muscles
This video perfectly illustrates what I've been telling people about traditional martial arts for years now. They work amazingly well, IF the other person has no idea what they are doing
The good news for those who practice karate and other martial arts is that most other people don't have any idea what they are doing in a fight. In that scenario the martial artist has a huge advantage.
@@joecold1243 Simply the ability to stay calm, cool and collected in a fight when everyone else is freaking out is s HUGE advantage. To paraphrase the poem "IF" by author Rudyard Kipling: "If you can keep your head when all about you, Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,... Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it, And-which is more-you’ll be a Man, my son!"
Well in their defense, Michael jai white is a real martial artist, and he wrote the screenplay and directed this film. So I think it's worth a peek at the least
@TekkenVirus Virus I think the real reason is because they teach you that in boxing classes. Of course sparring plays an important part but you wouldn't come up with that on your own.
Not really he’s a boxer and boxers are punchers by definition it’s different in other arts. Watch one mma fight and it becomes obvious that taking a punch in the face does not decide anything
As a martial artist, the simple mistake the MMA guy did was lose his control over his anger. The other half is quite predictable, but the film is a masterpiece 👌
Edward Glenn ehhh, not as much! For the most part, it’s really the wiser person defeating a arrogant person! You can’t make it any point simpler than that!
Ok first of all muscles don't mean alot Second of all it can be an advantage and a disadvantage Third of all you clearly haven't undergo any martial arts
@@hurmadaphadil3403 ok first of all size has a pretty notable importance lol. If you go against someone notably heavier than you and they know how to actually fight, whether it's standing or on the ground, good luck lmao.
@@dusthue I've done karate and in my experience instructors tend to fail on expressing the applicability of katas. Also, my comment was more towards the nature of the Kickboxer throwing the exact strikes in the right order as the blocks of the ONLY kata that the karate fighter was practicing
Her: if you don't beat him I'm going through your phone. Me: okay *picks up phone, grabs balls out of her purse then leves her and lives happily ever after without being a submissive little bitch"
guys this is still a movie dont take it as a base for your agrument that kata works in a street fight .When youve never trained the moves in a situation where your opponent is dynamic and is trying to hurt you.
Awab Bahri karate is definitely good in a street fight if your attacker don't know what he's doing but if you just know karate nothing else it's hard to believe you can beat someone that knows how to slam you on the floor and choke you out in 800 different ways or just bash your head in with hammer fist and elbows
Awab Bahri but I understand the argument, karate is definitely good in a street fight but you need to also learn grown game like bjj so if your attacker takes you to the grown you can still know how to fight
Awab Bahri bro u are so on point wit that statement I see so many karate black belts make u practice kata and I understand that u must learn this as a student but when u start sparring where's the kata no they start kickboxing
Yes I did 9 katas in gradings ,and at first I wondered what the moves meant ,but they make sense after hours and hours of practise.Even now at age 82 and 8 years of regular training from 72 to 1980. If someone makes a unexpected hand towards my face I auto block without even thinking about it.
Mma is nothing more than organized arena man-grabbing for entertainment purposes, that's a fact. You try it in the streets, you'll end up stabbed or shot.
It really doesn't. Not on its own, but integrated with other moves yes. If you thought the white dude was any good, you really not seen many fights. That white guy would have been destroyed in any MMA fight.
Actually since the emergence of Karate nothing better or more effective has been invented. Karate is the quintessence and peak point of all martial arts.
Analysis? On a scripted 'fight'? That white guy wasn't even aiming for him. All his blows were going to miss anyway. Funny we never see anyone fight using that 'style' in MMA'
We’re lucky someone was there with a camera to capture this spontaneous event
Some people call them movies. Is this your first one.
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@@christopherjohnson25 r/woosh
Multiple cameras from multiple angles that no one ever looks into and professional lighting and editing.
@@christopherjohnson25 #youmissedthejoke 🤦
The biggest mistake the MMA guy made was not being the movie’s main character.
He never stood a chance
"Remember, Little Grasshoper: Plot armor is best armor"
@R Baker
No kidding. Does a back story included wife beating, drug dealing, and racism?
He's a White guy.
@R Baker look at the butthurt from you bud. Preparation H should take care of that.
@R Baker your parents really did a number on you
You mean his mistake is not being the director of the movie? 😂
I have no martial arts training but I think I would fare pretty well against anyone throwing slow-motion roundhouses over and over.
With respect from Bruce Lee “I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times.” Never ever underestimate people that do over and over. Again, with respect.
they slowed down for the film sake, if they use the proper speed of the technique you can't enjoy the feels dude so be careful saying that in front of people who train
@Bridget Blanchard i kicked a friend of mine's ass and he knows karate 😂😂
@@vembriarta471 That's... that's the joke...
Idiot
The "unrealistic" thing here is that a lot of fighters are MMA nerds who enjoy new technique. It's a lot more likely that fighters in the gym would be like, "Oh, wait, you know traditional karate? Cool! I never got into it." And the whole thing breaks down into a training session for the guys who aren't actively training for a pro fight.
Yeah most experience I have seen in the gym is more curiosity than anything else when seeing something new
And you’d get smacked in most gyms calling someone “blackychan”.
But there _have_ to be at least _some_ toxic douches in a sport that revolves around being physically stronger and more able to beat up your opponent, especially when steroids are thrown into the mix, lol.
@@thelittlestgiant Yeah, but those guys get tossed out on their ear real quick. It’s not easy to make money running an MMA studio. You need to have a rep for welcoming all skill levels and types of you want to pay the rent. Toxic people get tossed out quick.
I’ll be super duper generous and suggest that our antagonist is dehydrated as hell from trying to cut weight for a fight. Hard to be polite when your brain is a raisin. Give him a pack of Gummi Bears and 7 gallons of Gatorade. He’s probably a lot more mellow then. :)
@@thelittlestgiant Douchebags do exist but they don't stick around for long or they get kicked out. This is a twats stereotypical view of what whites act like to other people is what it really is.
Of course in the real world if anybody acts like a middle school bully in any gym. They're normally kicked out immediately.
Yh lool ego left out the door
That's one of the things I like the most about most martial arts/MMA gyms. That sort if behavior isn't tolerated. (Usually)
yeah. dude was just chilling practicing his martial art in what is clearly a martial arts gym
@El CidFredo Flores I agree. In fact when it comes to women. guys don't discriminate against them, they fall in love with them.
Not in my school tho
I tried using this technique but I lost badly because the other dude couldn’t wait for me to get my flash backs in. This movie lied.
*LMAO*
La pelicula jamas dice que seq karate, este imbecil del video lo dice
maybe the technique doesnt suit you maybeeeee
Fight against the wind is good for the mind, but you have to train real fight as well, otherwise will not work in real life!
@@fabiosereno6893 highest probably a r/Wooooosshhh
As long as the other guy knows he's supposed to miss, you're unbeatable.
@JewsOwn TheMedia. try fighting people in dojos my guy
@JewsOwn TheMedia. Pussy ain't ya? Welp, I can't do anything about that, Merry Christmas.
Throw salt in his eyes so he just misses without needing to know
@Jacob Monier Okay? Fuck his belt, show me his fight record.
When Jai has the desire to do any of his Martial Arts professionally (which it's far too late for btw.) that's when I won't doubt his skill.
Half the shit he says is bullshit, just go watch him talk about Kimbo Slice(AFTER he passed mind you), and all the bullshit he actually just made up about the Shaolin Temple.
Hey...i know what its like in the ring
Kumite is hard...harder than kata
I remember one time I was at IHOP late at night. A group of people were being seated at a table near us. One guy asked if he could switch seats with another guy. That guy asked why, in which the other guy responded, "I like to keep my back facing the wall, it's a karate thing." Karate is about discipline, respect, honor... and taking every opportunity to let someone know you take Karate.
My dad was a police officer. He always sat where he could observe the largest portions of a crowded restaurant as possible. He never explained why until I was much older, and his only explanation was "if there's a problem, I want to see it coming"
Had nothing to do with karate, and he never announced it. People who flash their black belts around, or their six months of mixed martial arts, they rarely perform in actual real life scenarios.
I'd bet on a fresh army recruit just out of basic training over a standard five year karate student any day, particularly how training for both goes in the US.
@@matthewbrown5228 I think that's a trait that literally every single person has, it doesn't make you a badass but like why would you not want to face potential threats lmao WHEN I'M WALKING THROUGH THE GHETTO, I DON'T WEAR A BLINDFOLD, SOME PEOPLE CALL ME A LEGEND
Hahahaha
@@matthewbrown5228 that's cuz cops look at everybody like their criminals. Everybody
@@ephemera2 ooooh, okay, cool. After living with a cop for dad and having a cop as a brother, thank you for teaching me the real truth. They both did such a good job at lying to me for years.
You can think what you will of cops. I really don't care.
Why are so many people in the comments section taking this so seriously? It's obviously just a movie, relax. IRL he would have busted out the fireballs or dragon punch and ended the MMA guy way faster.
I'm saying
😂😂😂
No ones taking it seriously they all are just being sarcastic 😂
@@Yoloson12344 Hmm yeah....
@@Yoloson12344 My original comment was more in jest then anything else, but all joking aside... Come on. You don't have to scroll down too far into the comments to see people having actual debates about the realism of this scene.
I've been studying shotokan karate for 10 years and I can absolutely confirm that the technique being depicted here, called being the main character, is 100% effective. Unfortunately I've never mastered it because I keep getting beaten up when I try to use it.
Then maybe you have not used it effective enough keep training.
You forgot to be the main character 🤦
The only bad part about his technuiqe was that he kept his arm fully extended when blocking his opponents punch at the end. The video Tai chi vs mma has a good example of why you shouldnt do that.
They had us in the first half, not gonna lie
Lmfao
Nothing like a choreographed film to truly demonstrate effectiveness of a martial art .
@Mandalorian Patriot yeh but its depiction of effectiveness aint it. Karate master vs mma fighter is a matchup wr all know the result of
@Mandalorian Patriot thats just mma fighters who also trained in karate using aspects of karate, not a tradional karate fighter using only traditional karate. The guys you linked are mma fighters who are simply using karate to throw people off with the unconventional hard to predict attacks from creative angles not thought of in the traditional kickboxing/wrestling and grappling mix you tend to see in mma. And naturally when these flashy moves catch people off guard, they are highlights. What you fail to show is that their entire core game plan is not set in traditional karate stance and movements but rather around keeping true to the mma fundamentals and playing pick and mix with their karate skillset to catch people off guard like i said earlier. If you wanna prove your point, stick a traditional karate master or practitioner that isn't already an mma fighter into the octagon like the and see how it plays out. That's what i was talking about, not seasoned mma fighters getting creative lmao.
@Mandalorian Patriot karate here in the uk's dojos is quite different to whatever those guys you linked me were using. Although yeah i did think jiu jitsu was 99 percent grappling as that's all i've ever seen of it in the gracie foundation's training vids, and no i haven't heard of the samurai shit, sounds cool as hell wanna look into it later.
@Mandalorian Patriot bruh what is it with karate senseis and hurting tf out of their students, i had this friend in high school who did karate who always told me mad shit about his sensei putting his students through all kinds of pain 😂😂😂
@Mandalorian Patriot abuse 😂😂😂😂 oh man idk which one either tbh
When I was a young man, I studied traditional Karate, then followed it with Judo and Taekwondo. After I learnt all I could I studied Krav Maga, Ninjutsu and then Sambo. Finally, I moved onto Thai Kickboxing, and finished with Kung Fu.
Then I put down the magazine and went outside.
Lmao that’s about what i would do if i could only read 😩🤪😝
Ha! That sounds like someone I know....me! 😆
😂😂😂
Wow!! You’re a bad man !😆
🤣🤣🤣Love that last sentence! Instead of “then I woke up” you chose a more original version.
New title: the effectiveness of Karate in movies
*correct title i think you mean
@4 The Moment Studios serge ibaka took on one.
Np .
Maybe I could challenge karate kid....🤣🤣🤣
@4 The Moment Studios hey karates good but literally nothing compared to Muay Thai. Also this is a movie dumb ass. Not real.
Excluding the IP Man movies.
@@xatan3318 hey, all martial arts is good. Are you gonna go against a fucking world champion ship mma fighter in the streets?
“Man, forget this clown!”
*proceeds to not forget this clown*
Yeah man, why you gotta fight blackie chan.
Enough from the clown!
@@safaabdus8364 Why so serious?
Underrated comment
@@shreyanshu9785 Blackie Chan! Come on dude... Hilarious 😂
*others may not have similar results, results may vary.
The big lesson here, as a fighter, is to note your opponent's strengths, mannerisms, and patterns...and prepare your training accordingly. MJW is sooo underated as a fighter, and as an actor. I really wish he were in more films.
You never fought in your life😅
Judging by his scant technical prowess, we must assume that it is also the MMA fighter's first day as well.
It's embarrasingly dumb. As if he wouldn't have grabbed a blast double and just owned Mr Miyagi on the ground. Oof.
@@eriklarson9137 But you see, he was using that special karate move where you can temporarily slow down time (a side effect of this technique is that the world becomes black and white) and make your opponent disappear for a moment so that you can practice your counter attack. This was developed in the 12th century and is still very effective to this day.
@@cinedelasestrellas Karate is not the problem here but the movie sure is...
@@emillyyelen5169 Yes of course, there is nothing wrong with Karate, just this scene's portrayal of it.
He didn't know he was in a movie..
It’s a blessing he happened to be practicing the very same moves he used before the fight
He practiced ALL the moves
that's the point
Really kind of the whole point of martial arts.
That's how practicing martial arts works. You practice the moves in repetition with no opponent, then try those same moves in the ring in order to calculate their effectiveness and your own efficiency with them. It's the difference between visualization and execution. Read a book.
@@squeezyjibbz7407 Why so serious man? 🤣 I am well aware, I have dabbled in many martial arts, though I am by no means an authority in any. I must have forgot to put my #it’sjustajoke tag.
Dude didn't know what he was in for. Wait till he takes his weighted shirt off and it shatters the floor and he starts to move so fast you can't see him.
Rock Lee. I see your a man of culture
Goku?
@@terramerc733 oh yeah him too I remember when he was young right
@@GHOST86420 And Piccolo.
@@Quarter_crush_86 yeah him too
Whatever discipline you come from, fundamentals and ability to adapt when shit goes wrong can never fail you…
I do not need a film to tell me the effectiveness of Karate. I have already seen Ryu and Ken from Street Fighter. Therefore, I know traditional karate is legit.
Yeaaaaaaah! Bro you know your job
Lady Undine r/wooosh everybody knows karate wont beat up lets say muya thai etc.
Lol 🤣 great comments here!!
Lady Undine what? Ive studied muya thai mma and shaolin kung fu and i can say that karate wouldnt have any chances against some pure fighter inside the ring. And outside of the ring theres no doubt about krav maga being the best for its dirtyness and pure intent to win no matter what.
Lady Undine and style matters quite a fukin lot. I mean obviusly fighter means more but i didnt mean like 5yo thaiboxer could beat up a 35yo black belt like tf how dumb are you
This is how everyone imagines how their fight is gonna be like.
I get my ass beat in my imagination 💪🏾
@Indigo V 1. Michael Jai White is a real Karateka
2. THIS IS A FUCKIN MOVIE!
This is why karate had to be banned from UFC - way too effective
That's the only thing about these bullshit choreography film
@@michealharrison2219 lol same.
He should've read the script before challenging him to a fight.
That was good.....
if writing comments was an olympic event, this guy would be up there
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😅😅😅
😂😂😂😂😂😂
I have studied Okinawan Uechi Ryu and several other styles of karate. Uechi Ryu incorporates a wide variety of karate, judo, strikes, blows, blocks, kicks, holds, Aikido-like throws, joint locks and take down techniques. It is a very versatile and strong style that came from China to Japan. Still, the best way to "win" a fight is to not be IN a fight. Everybody gets hurt in a fight, including the winner. It's not like the movies.
"...style that came from China to Japan" ... I did not know that.
As a rule, Okinawan Karate came from Southern Chinese Boxing, namely Fujian White Crane style.
@@otisbeck5327 Right. Actually, if I remember correctly Okinawan Uechi Ryu originally came from India to China and then from China to Okinawa.
@@1notgilty by way of the Indian Buddhist priest and Ch'an (Zen) patriarch Bodhidharma, known to the Chinese as Ta Mo (Dah-moh) and Daruma to the Japanese. He is our great grandfather as far as Karate goes.
@@otisbeck5327 That sounds exactly correct. Thank you for the clarification of the various names by which the Indian Buddhist priest was known.
I win the visualization part of the fight every single time; but when real action starts, my opponents don't follow the script, and my ambulance bills are piling up. I now wear a "do not resuscitate" tag around my neck.
Lol, come fight in Canada my friend, or basically any other country except America, the ambulance rides are free.
👆and the fights are probably much easier 😐
@@syckles But of course. We Canadians are so polite that we never hit anyone without asking if it’s alright first, and then we apologize profusely once the kerfuffle is over with a nice hot Tim Hortons coffee🤣
@@norcodaev lmao! 😂 Well done, you have defeated me with that one 😂 👏
And i am now losing the visualization part of the fight because of the amount of times I've been hit in the face
The true power of this man is that he can manipulate time and can do flashback at the middle of fight
Lol underrated
Sharingan.
ZA WARUDO IS THAT A JOJ0 REFERENCE
@@numerocuatro2700 nah he's using king crimson
Haha 😂
When someone gets in a fight with the school bully, loses, then reimagines how it could have gone in their head, grows up, films it, and posts it on RUclips.
Actually. My school bully got accused of murder.
@@glowstickjw I need a storytime. Please explain
@@infinite088 glowstick was never heard from again
@@lategamer6684 lmao
@@lategamer6684 lol
The point here is to show that training with Katas prepare you for the actual application of the moves. There are many Katas in any given form of Karate, and each move in a Kata is against an invisible opponent you need to "see" in your mind. You imagine that you are actually blocking and striking, with dedicated and forceful moves, against a real opponent. The movie had the Karateka flashing back to the specific Katas that he had studied, in order to show you the application of those moves in a real fight. Once those moves are memorized, they don't need to be thought about; but rather they are automatically generated by the threat presented in that moment. An opponent usually "telegraphs" their intentions, and a studied pro will respond without thought, using a feint or block--mixed with a counterstrike when applicable.
I thoroughly enjoyed this segment, and I showed it to my son who is studying the same basic form of Karate I studied back in the 70's. He now has a better understanding of why Katas are so vitally important to Karate.
It's no coincidence this video now has 45 million views. It's a realistic interpretation of a professional Karateka's reaction to threats. I just wish the sound track was better....
Thats great to hear.I wish you and your son the best when it comes to karate and kata training.
Nothing proves a point more than a choreographed scene in a fictional movie.
Uchikomi is choreograph but works tho
Yeah you're right... it's just a 'movie' :p
Yes its choreographed but a master of one art will usually win against someone who knows a little about many because when you specialize in one area your style becomes more fluent
@@Andyman269 No not at all, check out Mad Dog Xu or UFC in general and you will understand.
I mean, "blackie chan" is michael jai white. He's actually pretty good at what he does. He probably would've whooped the arrogant dudes tail, NOT choreographed.
Real Fighters seeing someone who they don't presume is on their level: Either Ignore or Help
Movie fighters seeing someone who they don't presume is on their level: *INSTANT BULLY*
Lol true. I only met one guy at the gym who was a sick about working out. Everyone else was really cool, and corrected my form when they saw me doing it wrong. Movie gym jocks on the other hand...
@@kyle18934 Haha, it's a cliché, but one that makes little sense. Sure there might be a few bullies in some places. But in most cases, fighters are way too occupied with their own training to focus on someone they don't even deem worthy.
@@kyle18934 And of course, you have really chill ones. That like others to grow with them.
@@BlondieRUclips it is a weird cliche, I thought people would be dicks when I went to the gym for the first time. I'm glad I was mistaken
@@kyle18934 Haha, it's mostly a hollywood trope. An excuse for the protagonist to kick some ass.
"In summary: ears ringing, jaw fractured, three ribs cracked, four broken, diaphragm hemorrhaging. Physical recovery: 6 weeks. Full psychological recovery: 6 months. Capacity to spit at back of head: neutralized."
@Morgan Wright lol you are very witty ... but just how many people actually know you’re on the Sherlock Holmes flex 🤣🤣👍
Bmmfff....hahaha
sad that he ain't got many likes cuz most of the people dont understand the reference 😂😂
@@aakarshupadhyay1133 ikr lol
discombobulate! 😉
Having seen the moves being practiced it's hard to imagine how they're viable. It's actually very interesting seeing a person present and how the moves are meant to work
I took a karate class for a few months from an older traditional martial artist. I can't remember his nationality.
The one main lesson I learned is that freestyle karate is vastly different then training. The purpose of training, and practicing those moves over and over is not to use those moves in those orders, it is to train the muscles to quickly respond in specific ways.
During freestyle karate, for example, you don't crouch. You dance, keep moving, keep your opponent where you want them in relation to you. In training, you crouch and lunge and dip down. The purpose of training is to build muscle, and muscle memory.
In freestyle, strikes are quick, and rarely land. You never want to get into a brawl like you do with judo or ju jitsu. You take advantage of openings when you can, and avoid your opponent doing the same.
That's why other fighting styles are often superior. Jujitsu trains in grappling and close quarters combat. All a jujitsu master has to do is grab a jab or strike from a karate master, and the fight is basically over.
Karate is a good introductory fighting style, learning the basics. But branching out, particularly to fighting styles that promote pressure training (ring fighting and actual controlled combat) is going to provide a much greater chance of actually making it through a real life fight. Even with the training I've done (not just in karate), in an actual street fight there is no predicting the enemy. Highly trained officers are killed because the person they were trying to take down threw a punch in a way the officer didn't see coming.
@@matthewbrown5228, yep. In my youth I was small compared to now. Started hand-to-hand and then Tang Soo-Do in high school. Continued Tang Soo-Do on first tour in South Korea along with Yudo and did some Hapkido training on my second tour. Outside of class I only had to use my training two times. Since I left the Army in 1981 I have not had to use it but I also never go looking for a fight. As an over-the-road driver for 27 years I went to some rough parts of our country and never really had a problem except once in Maryland. No blows exchanged but I think he got the idea I wasn't the one.
@@donotneed2250
Been a trucker myself! Not nearly as long, two years over the road (one hauling tankers) and then my wife had our first baby and we both decided that I needed to be closer to home, but I loved the road!
Reasons why he won:
-He can see the future.
-He knows Karate.
-He is the main character.
-He's ... ... Spawn.
Shoulda led with "He's... ...Spawn."
Exactly
He's also Mike Tyson.
@Dream did not expect you here, pleasant surprise.
@SABIN HALL my bad, just looked at the acc. I apologise for my mistake. I thought since it didn't have 123 or some shit at the end that is was legit.
That's so fake... Everyone knows that on real life the flashbacks are about a sad past.
All my flashbacks are of arguments that I had and then three days later I think of something I should have said.
@@misterj2875 Same, and usually I'm on bath
@@misterj2875 same bro😂😂, fuckkk thats annoying!
Don't forget the power of friendship, its make you hundred times stronger
Anyone who watched Naruto knows...
I’ve never heard someone say “forget this clown” in real life lmao.
How's about a magic trick? He will make the pencil magically disappear.
Time for you to bring it back
Apparently you never had a real birthday party.
I have, I'm sorry our paths have not crossed.
Biden said it.
My son trained at American Top Team in Creek for about 4 years. And I can tell you that there were no assholes in that gym. All the fighters were really nice and polite, very friendly and humble too.
As should be. i took martial arts (Taekwondo, Judo and BJJ) back in my college days. And the first rule we were told was to leave our ego by the door.
That's how it should be, the ones who are humble and respectful especially to new people are the ones who are successful in their craft and don't need to show off, losers like the fella in the video never last long in any actual decent fighting gym and are thrown out like the garbage they are very quickly.
It's made official that if someone use Karate, you must wait for his animation to complete first.
Japan invented the turn based rpgs, so it's only natural their marital arts follow the same rules.
Someone seems to have got confused... This is not real and doesn't show the effectiveness of anything.
David Kent yeah true and everyone should know by now that pretty much any martial art can be legit if trained with aliveness karate has done well in mma but it all depends on how they train and if they spar a lot
@@lukeg452 so true it doesn't matter what style you train in as long as you train full contact
brolly 247 yep see Stephen Thompson lyoto machida and gsp
someone who doesn't understand this calm and meditate style of fighting more like Kung Fu watch karate kid 1,2,3 and cobra Kai
And yes every style is good if u practice it correctly
but in my opinion the calm style ones are better than aggressive
but in street fights u gotta be aggressive if u want to win
Thelightskin lantern not everyone who does muay tai is Israel adysanya
Blacky Chan, Jet LeRoy he won with the comments alone.
Don't forget Tae Bro!
I was thinking the same thing. lol
How about Bruce Leroy 👍🏼
The science behind karate is fascinating. Its essentially learning predetermined moves such that you can avoid the delay of reaction time that you would need when fighting conventionally and making decisions about what your next move is.
Yeah, but the problem with that is it assumes that your choreographed moves will match with the opponent. Once the opponent deviates from your predetermined choreography, you won’t have any natural way of responding
Thats why Karatekas train against every sort of attack there is. Every Punch, every kick. A scenario like that wont happen with full fledged Karatekas. They trained against every move, and even against many weapons, like knives and sticks. They learn to escape and counter locks and chokes. They learn to keep calm and focus through meditation and intensed focused muscle training. I seriously dont get why people call Karate less effective than other Martial Arts. Its primary use is for self-defence. It gets the job done.
@@TheZenhalilboy Karatekas usually don't even do sparring, just practice over-complicated and useless techniques in slow motion. See any professional karate tournament: you will hardly ever see any proper punches or blocks they practiced during trainings, just punching each other senselessly from 20 inches.
@@MrSaiyan333 Karate Tournaments are not meant to knock out your opponent. The Point of these tournaments is to win via points from clean strikes. Ever watched Karate Kid or Cobra Kai? They dont go punching and kicking till the opponent cant stand no more.
@@TheZenhalilboy I'm talking about Kyokushin, where it's usually not point based. But even if they want to win by points, why don't they use what they practiced before? Because those techniques are useless in a real fight, that's why.
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They don't use any "classic" karate blocks, just randomly punching each other. And this is a world cup.
He forgot one essential move:
*DISCOMBOBULATE*
OK THIS ONE IS GOOD LOL
That move was banned a few years ago, on the grounds that its name was far too long!
ahahahahah
An homage to the greatest (fictional) detective
He did traumatize the solar plexus though. :D
It looks like he's ready to do some serious earthbending lol
@Asian fiery air*
Spine bending
Yeah the movements he used were very similar to earthbending.
Considering that they based earthbending moves on traditional martial arts, you're not necessarily wrong.
Earthbending is "Hungar KungFu". Toph uses "Southern Praying Mantis Style Kungfu"
Firebending is "Saolin KungFu"
Waterbending in "TaiChi"
Airbending Is "Buguazhang" known for its Circular motions.
Something traditional karate will never beat: the undefeated RUclips comment section.
And now the pernicious influence of the SJW managerial class has rendered the mighty RUclips comment section a shadow of its former greatness.😥
😂
imagine if you could beat people up in the comment section
@@alienated8113 just share ur location I've done it tons of time here Indonesia, jakarta, kuningan epiwalk any day but at 16:00 call me when u arrived we can do it 2 ways fight cause we hate each other or a friendly sparring where in the end we gave each other small lesson and advice done but no one has shown up tho
@@miyu_myu21 That's how people get robbed or shot in the US.
This is why Kata is so important... To people who think it's just made up movements with no purpose.
With the practice of Kata the movement becomes part of you , it becomes a automatic response.
My Sensi taught us the first self defense move is not to be where you shouldn't be - second is to walk away whenever possible. third is to fight back so you can walk away.
Keep the fancy moves in the ring and for tournaments. Street karate is a lot different.
Os!!!
The effctiveness of a choreographer making one fighter in the scene far better than the other...
I know, it's ridiculous. I study karate and showing to crap actors in a choreographed fight is not proof!
Dude, look up Michael Jai White then you'll change this comment
Michael Jai White may be an actor but is a professional black belt with over 40years experience and 7 different black belts, if he actually fought professionally no one would stand a chance in boxing, kickboxing, mma, and/or Vale tudo.
@@HaKa1noSensh1 thank you
@@HaKa1noSensh1 Sorry dude, but you simply do not know what you are talking about. Firstly, Michael Jai White is in his 50s, so I'm assuming you meant to say if MJW were in his prime, he would do well. Secondly, MJW is an actor. Yes he has been TRAINING all his life, but the keyword here is training. He has very little actual experience in live combat. What experience he does have is mostly in Taekwondo and Karate sport tournaments. The elite fighters in combat sports (mma, boxing, jiujitsu) have all been training their whole lives or the majority of their lives as well, but unlike MJW, they have also been COMPETING at an elite level for the majority of their lives. Actual competition and experience combined with training are what make truly elite fighters. Not just training alone.
Based on every interview he's ever done, this is how Jai White actually sees himself.
Do you blame him? 🤣
No but physics disagrees very much
Fighters from the UFC see the same. As they also when interviewed says it's really legendary when they train with him. Even Jon Jones.
@@adammckay665 people forget he won full contact championships against grown men as a teenager
@@kelzreallife8293 yea in karate where you can be disqualified for hitting your opponent too hard
he won because before he went into the cage he was practicing against John Cena
Cant beleave the other dude didnt see him
You forgot to say who he was practicing against
@@unlxck3255 you can't see him
@@Josh_Tsu1067 How do you know if someone was there?
Or was it Drax
This was a cool way to display how Kata would work in a fight and when used properly
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This is what every weeb imagines themselves to be like when they take up martial arts.
Israel Adesanya is an exceptional weeb.
Your comment is exactly how an ignorant weeb would comment on traditional techs aimed at maximizing damage and pain.
Good job! Your impression was perfect! 😊😊
@@rodrigosierpe5995 The only thing maximized here is you how pathetic you sound. LMAO.
Anyone that only uses one traditional technique will get their asses handed to them in MMA. Opponents don't just give openings like they do in this highly choreographed fluff piece.
Lmao
@@rodrigosierpe5995 found the weeb
-"The effectivenes of traditional karate"
-Proceeds to show a scripted sequence with actors from a movie😒
Ok, check out prime lyoto Machida using karate on the UFC
Ikr
Take on someone who's done it their whole life and and practice it 8 hours a day then talk smack, see how long you last then
Bring a real mmo fighter vs a master karate and we will se the difference. Trust me he'd get obliterated
@@alvarez85yearsand81 as the old saying goes, never underestimate your opponent.
Where I trained Kung Fu they teached us three things.
1 - Never get into a fight.
2 - If you can run alway, run alway.
3 - If you have to fight you will fight to disable your opponent the fastest and stop the fight.
In 20 years I only had to fight once in my life.
I was being mugged and in a moment of distraction I punched the robber throat.
I trained that before multiple times, but they never teached us the people would gasp for air like he was dying.
What happened to the mugger?
@@johnconnor7501 idk I think he’s still out there gasping for air 😂
🧢
@@johnconnor7501 he was arrested I had to go to to the precinct but since he was taken in the act I didn't had to go to in the trial.
Never knew what happened after that.
But being this Brazil and considering how lenient our judges are he probably was out back in the streets before the cops who arrested him got to their homes.
Imagine my surprise when a guy shat himself when I put him in a choke hold
Michael Jai White fought in bloodsport tournaments for real! He is a martial Arts master!
You know this is Hollywood when an MMA fighter takes on a traditionalist karate fighter and attempts zero takedowns...
And the way he atacks is not like a pro fighter, it's more like someone who got all his knowledge from an action movie, wait a sec ...
Yea an average mma fighter would probably shit on any karate master. In China there’s this random mma fighter that’s going around and absolutely destroying Chinese martial arts masters in seconds
@@verybored2416 Yeah that guy is a badass, beat up some gangsters to I'm pretty sure. He's hated badly in China, makes their fighting style seem to weak.
@@verybored2416 ikr, people dont realise Bruce lee would get smashed by a average ufc fighter
@@MrHammerman97 yea he’s hated so much and I’m pretty sure he went to trial in like the highest court in China bc He was shitting on all thier bs cultural history
“The effectiveness of being cast as the hero in a movie about karate”
@Kaustav Chakraborty ?
Kaustav Chakraborty What a fucking retarded response...
It is true the movie does not show that karate is better or not everything depends on the person who uses it
"The effectiveness of be an MMA script hero" (FightVille) (Warrior) (Never Back Down)
I think we are even
Yep
The effectivness of Karate demonstrated by a Movie...
Go watch some Lyoto Machida fights if you are interested in the real thing.
@@burgosmatthew I recommend the one against Shogun
@@burgosmatthew while he might have a background in Karate it’s still MMA
I used to train in karate. You will never use it in a street fight.
There’s a 40 something ammeter MMA fighter in China who went on a tour fighting the best practitioners of traditional martial arts in all of China. 95% of the time he beat them unconscious within 10 seconds, the other 5% was within the first minute. Most martial arts are exclusively practiced against other partitioners of the same art in only sparing match’s so they have 0 actual battle testing even in controlled environments. Workout regularly and due some boxing and your likely have more combat potential then most martial artist. The only real benefit to martial arts has is it teaches discipline and hopefully keeps you to a active work out routine
I studied Shotokan in my 20s and it saved me alot of times when working at the local 7-11 on the graveyard shift. Shotokan has alot of throws and locks that were explained to me wrongly ( because alot of the instructors didn't know because they were never told) and when I went to other styles I would see the moves done correctly . I then went to Panantukan ( Filipino kickboxing) and Anis ( an offshoot of Fillipino Kali) .Shotokan came in habdy there too. and I learned even more about Shotokan doing empty hand Arnis techniques. and you can really end up with something real nice if you marry Karate and Kickboxing together. it worked for Lyoto Machida. so don't dicount traditional Karate. all martial arts have something to offer. otherwise I wouldn't still be around and I am now 60 and people say I look like I am 48 or 50. so experiment and keep kicking
This is great advice
@@WillSlags thank you Will
at some point in time I plan on doing some you tube videos if this area is not too crowded already. I would show the moves correctly and talk about self defense with and without weapons. and thank you again for your kind comment
@@glennsammon4465panantukan and arnis are my bread and butter, awesome that it works for you too brother
@@glennsammon4465 perhaps try Silat at some point if you want to study just one more.
I've been practicing karate for around 7 years, I am black belt 2nd dan shotokan karate. Quite frankly from my experience things like are shown on this video rarely happen in real fights and I assure you I have been in a lot of fights both street and sport.
Don't take me wrong, katas are great for training, fun to learn and practice and training/practicing katas make you a better karate-ka. But quite frankly it has never happened to me or to anybody I know to repeat exact kata sequence in a real fight.
The problem with modern day karate is that it is highly sport-oriented instead of being real fight oriented. In almost any dojo I've been to they teach how to score points on the competitions, not how to actually fight in a real life situation. This is a source of a widespread criticism of karate by mma-fans. Most modern karate-kas are not very well adapted to fight by mma rules, but not because that karate is a bad fighting system, just because all their life there were trained to score points by touching their opponents instead of punching and kicking. It is a flaw of their training, not of karate.
I was lucky enough to get a teacher who didn't give a fuck about sport and was just teaching us how to fight and that was awesome :)
Lazarus Long ... I had the same issue. Karate just for points. Until I found goju ryu dojo with Mario higonna sensei....
Daniel Larusso is that you???
Lazarus Long That's good you learned to fight for real!
Lazarus Long I agree with all your points but.. 7 years and already a second degree black belt? Whaaaat? I’ve been training for almost ten years in Uechi-Ryū and I’m a green belt. Maybe it’s cause they’re different styles? Idk man, have a nice day 😂
Jason Conover um.. no. That’s not how it works. You could be the best fighter around, and still be a white belt. They don’t automatically give you a black belt if you’re good (at least they shouldn’t). For example, one of my friends who practiced karate at a different dojo than me got second dan in about 5 years. Then he moved to my dojo and I sparred him, and it turns out he wasn’t all that good.
I've studied martial arts most my life and was a fighter for 5 years. And real fights don't go anything like this. A fight is messy and no matter how good you are, you will be hit. Unless you knock out your opponents before they get a chance.
This is a movie Logan’s Revenge
Literally everything you said isn't true. You must've been a very shitty fighter both inside and outside of a cage/ring.
Waw you look down Karate that low huh? You think mma is on top of the martial arts, geez..
@@iwannatalktosampson wym it isn’t true in a fight it’s always give and take now not saying every fight you’ll be touched bc not everyone knows how to fight but if it’s some one on ur personal level then yes you will be touched fights r give and take
@@damusdeshi622 karate is a great way to gain discipline but it's not a good way to learn how to fight. While MMA is literally teaching you to fight.
When you're trying to be serious but accidentally make a Key and Peele skit.
The huge overhand punches Cobra threw that went sky high over Micheal’s head look super realistic
2:12 that was so slowly... I feel shame 🤦♀️
I noticed that too isn’t this guy supposed to be the best in the gym?
It's just the actor trying not to hit him in real life
That's a farmer alright - making Hay all day long.
choreography sometimes takes away the realism
Punches way too wide for any professional or even amateur fighter.
The effectiveness of editing and cinematography
2:12 my guy didn't even need to duck the third one, his plot armor deflected it too well
not even the 2nd either
Hes not only an amazing fighter , but he also can look into the future! AMAZING
Is that observation haki? 🤔
It's just showing the application of kata, what they're for...for the rest, it's simple martial instinct.
@@G_D_R_ oh yes, I suppose you're right. I was just joking
@@lucacasadio3001 mejo così! 👉🏼😎👍🏼
@@G_D_R_ I appreciate your effort to try to write in Italian. :)
Anyway, it's "meglio così". :)
You can't discuss the efectiveness of any style with a film scene
Only in 2019
Pablo Souffron i disagree. Film scenes depict it perfectly. This shows how amazing karate is. He used his training perfectly here and executed the moves. It just so happens that the sequence of moves made by opponent matches the training exactly. Well done. Excellent
This is the internet ,I can do anything I want. This video proves that karate is number one martial art. Just imagine what that black dude would do to him if they fought 20 years ago back when he was still Spawn and commanded hell's legions. Think before you speak
Kamehameha wave is more effective than this
Its someone's application of the techniques. It works
This man might of well just played Kung fu panda clips to us and said it's a accurate depiction of karate.
OMG HOW THST MAKE SENS KING FU PANDA KUNG FU ALSO PANDA???
Skadoosh
Don't even compare this to Kung Fu Panda 😤
My bad Kung-fu panda is a cinematic master peice and the most accurate recreation of mma ever nothing hails in comparison not even ufc or profesional mma.
@@udkc my guy did you have a stroke.
MMA never wins against martial arts in movies, its a fact. They can only ever win in real life.
that you think
MMA literally stands for mixed martial arts. As in they are both of martial arts in fact mma does actually consist of karate in itself.
It's the same thing.
zalbortrox zalbortox what are you on about there are barely any karate fighters competing in mma you guys need to stop watching so much anime and hentai
Boxing, wrestling and bjj are better than karate in any way just get over it
@@bigmack2654 Delusional
@2:12 that 3-punch combo 😂😂😂😂
He looked like an NBA fight where they throw a punch for the 1st time in their lives
The effectiveness of real karate has already been demonstrated in the early MMA. It's not terrible, but you also notice it's not used anymore. All the systems can be improved by borrowing from other systems. That'd be the mixed part of Mixed Martial Arts.
@@jvanek8512 I mean maybe in the sense that MMA has leaned out the artistic flourishes that reduce effectiveness. But if MMA isn't an art it most certainly is a skill. And like any skill it takes time, effort, and a lot of thought.
In fact I believe if a Classic Martial artist were to put as much effort into conditioning and practiced using their skill hours a day, day in and day out they would achieve very competitive results. But there are gaps in every system and if you are actually fighting or competing then you HAVE to be at liberty to adjust. Those fighting systems were once developed as needed. Only a love of history and tradition prevents adaptation. But the original practitioners and inventors of those systems would not have hesitated to continue to develop. Because they were martial systems. For war. And they wanted to win and not die.
So by trying to preserve the history, you lose the function.
Calling fighting an art is retarded. Fighting is a skill and what looks good isnt always aesthetic.
The true martial ART is pragmatic combat.
A few guys might use some karate inspired high kicks, but 90 percent of MMA from what I've seen is Brazilian jiu-jitsu and boxing with leg kicks.
@@jvanek8512 What Wonderboy does is not traditional karate in any sense of the word. It is uniquely American karate and I don't mean that disparagingly.
@@jvanek8512 Couldn't agree more
OP: Please stop using choreographed fight scenes in an attempt to validate the effectiveness of a martial art.
Totally agree
just a movie you clown
@@toreoscarwallehansen3903 That's precisely his point.
Yeah your right old School doesn't work right? Best tell that to Lyoto Machida (karate) Anderson Silva (Muay Thai/Taekwondo) Stephen "Wonderboy" Thompson (Karate) Hmmmmm????? LOL try getting in a Ring or Dojo Before Shit talking.
@@kickboxerforever00 Don't forget Michelle Watterson.
As someone who put too many years into karate I can honestly say it’s designed to teach people the importance of carrying groceries
Why?
So I shouldn’t continue karate?
I second this. Black belt test failed, because 70 year old dudes from Japan thought that my toes were once in a wrong position. Repeating the same moves over and over countless times felt pointless.
Also didn't get in shape with Karate. Got in shape by working out when I wasn't doing Karate.
It did teach me to throw a punch and reach with diffetent kicks without ever going out of balance, but no matter how good your tech is you can't do shit without muscles
@@kirogo1969 karate is OK as a sport, but useless in self defense, same as 99.9% traditional martial arts
@@jaster705 such as?
This video perfectly illustrates what I've been telling people about traditional martial arts for years now. They work amazingly well, IF the other person has no idea what they are doing
The good news for those who practice karate and other martial arts is that most other people don't have any idea what they are doing in a fight. In that scenario the martial artist has a huge advantage.
@@1notgilty this is true. Any experience is typically better than zero experience
@@joecold1243 Simply the ability to stay calm, cool and collected in a fight when everyone else is freaking out is s HUGE advantage. To paraphrase the poem "IF" by author Rudyard Kipling: "If you can keep your head when all about you, Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,... Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
And-which is more-you’ll be a Man, my son!"
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I haven't even watched the clip. I cant get over the fact that someone tried to use a movie clip to prove the effectiveness of traditional karate.
Well in their defense, Michael jai white is a real martial artist, and he wrote the screenplay and directed this film. So I think it's worth a peek at the least
@@michaelthompson7906 this is still fiction. You don't try to prove something is true with fiction.
If you didn't even watch it, at least have decency to shut you mouth about it.
@@ripLunarBirdCLH Atleast have decency to not be salty.
I mean, I'm studying an Okinawan karate at the moment, looks ok to me.
“Traditional karate”
Immediately uses boxing headmovement*
Is moving your head only in boxing?
@@earthphoenix7068 his foot work was boxing at the beginning
Hahahahahah only boxers can move their heads. What a clown
@@Bigdaddyluv68 everyone knows that boxing focuses on head movement and foot work much more than other fighting sports/martial arts
@TekkenVirus Virus I think the real reason is because they teach you that in boxing classes. Of course sparring plays an important part but you wouldn't come up with that on your own.
That was a beautiful demonstration of traditional Karate. MJW is a Boss.
If there is a person that is quiet
Trains alone and is muscular
Don’t fighting him or ger
Muscles mean nothing bro
@@clairespeight4143 muscle means something, but not everything
@@marianoalvarez6467 it just means strength
@@0xstk and weight. Both absolutely matter in a fight. They don't guarantee victory by any means but they do factor for sure.
Always leave quiet people alone ! Also, people who don't act tough...these are the people you never fuck with
The MMA guy lost because he was wearing women's yoga pants.
Idk about that, women's yoga pants seem like a pretty good choice for fighting to me
@@panic1209 I prefer looking at a woman's a$$ in yoga pants verses a dude but hey to each his own
@@sailguy0321 sounds like you're a sexist piece of shit but to each his own
@@panic1209 triggered feminist
@@panic1209 you like men
"This mustn't register in an emotional level...
First.. Discombobulate"
It must be easy to look this badass when your opponent telegraphs all his strikes from a mile away.
I'll keep this in mind the next time I find myself in a choreographed fight sequence.
Lol, I love people.
I for one just came from beating up 100 Chinese fishermen using karate... as they proceeded to attack me one at a time in sequence.
@@iAaronHD I hate people.
You never know...
Stay safe out there!
@@lautheimpaler4686 🤷🏽♂️
"Hey, what about him?"
"Yo, that's Michael Jai White. He's Black Dynamite. Don't mess with him."
"Imma mess with him."
He’s bronze tiger
MJW is legit.
SAID NO REAL FIGHTER EVER, AGAINST CHUCK NORRIS, LOL..
Remember mike Tyson's famous lines
Everyone has a plan until they get punched in face
Damn right...😎😎😎
yep tht why he is a champ
I thought you were going to say...
"I'm gonna eat your children. "
Not really he’s a boxer and boxers are punchers by definition it’s different in other arts. Watch one mma fight and it becomes obvious that taking a punch in the face does not decide anything
@@reallifetherapy1342 Is this a serious comment?
As a martial artist, the simple mistake the MMA guy did was lose his control over his anger. The other half is quite predictable, but the film is a masterpiece 👌
You know shit's about to go down when the main character starts having flashbacks in Black and white...
If any video was keyboard warrior bait...this is the one.
yup
You just don't understand traditional karate Edward Glenn. His ki ku jen move #7 was amazing! lol
Yeah Tru Dat tho
Edward Glenn ehhh, not as much!
For the most part, it’s really the wiser person defeating a arrogant person! You can’t make it any point simpler than that!
ruclips.net/video/LQoznp1xmWk/видео.html&app=desktop iluminate. Namaste.
It also helps when you're built like a Middle Linebacker.
Ok first of all muscles don't mean alot
Second of all it can be an advantage and a disadvantage
Third of all you clearly haven't undergo any martial arts
@@hurmadaphadil3403 lol dude it's a joke
@@eliasgarcia9329 aww i see u fam
Bros Does ruclips.net/video/Aaehn1aY8Ig/видео.html
@@hurmadaphadil3403 ok first of all size has a pretty notable importance lol. If you go against someone notably heavier than you and they know how to actually fight, whether it's standing or on the ground, good luck lmao.
That fight was so clean it almost looked choreographed
Title should be "effectiveness of karate in a choreographed fight scene of a movie about karate"
Title should be "Nate Lahr doesn't know how films work"
Michael jai white would have still beat the crap out of someone like cobra in the gym
Nate Lahr kata is a choreographed practice. Karate can be handy.
@@dusthue I've done karate and in my experience instructors tend to fail on expressing the applicability of katas. Also, my comment was more towards the nature of the Kickboxer throwing the exact strikes in the right order as the blocks of the ONLY kata that the karate fighter was practicing
Go fight him then....
The mma guy should've just surrendered when he heard the karate guy's theme starting to play...
Her : if you don't beat him I'll go through your phone .
Me : 🥋
Ossu!!!
Her: if you don't beat him I'm going through your phone.
Me: okay *picks up phone, grabs balls out of her purse then leves her and lives happily ever after without being a submissive little bitch"
Anything is possible when you’re the main character of the movie.
Me: So what do you think of mixed martial arts?
Older Kung Fu master: There was a time when all martial arts were mixed.
True story.
There was a time that martial arts were used in martial situation, to kill or to be killed. So, forget about the form and rip that fucker off
@@raphaelmartins6045 with my laaaarge knife
@@oiooiioioooi55 so ur practicing kali arms?
To Kung Fu masters in China Kung Fu just means any martial arts
@@raphaelmartins6045 this is a great way to put it
guys this is still a movie dont take it as a base for your agrument that kata works in a street fight .When youve never trained the moves in a situation where your opponent is dynamic and is trying to hurt you.
Awab Bahri karate is definitely good in a street fight if your attacker don't know what he's doing but if you just know karate nothing else it's hard to believe you can beat someone that knows how to slam you on the floor and choke you out in 800 different ways or just bash your head in with hammer fist and elbows
Awab Bahri but I understand the argument, karate is definitely good in a street fight but you need to also learn grown game like bjj so if your attacker takes you to the grown you can still know how to fight
Being thrown to the ground is a possibility no matter what you study even bjj warns you not to be on the ground with someone on top for long
Dude, learn how to use commas and full stops.
Awab Bahri bro u are so on point wit that statement I see so many karate black belts make u practice kata and I understand that u must learn this as a student but when u start sparring where's the kata no they start kickboxing
Karate at It's best.. in slow motion with frequent flashbacks.
Yes I did 9 katas in gradings ,and at first I wondered what the moves meant ,but they make sense after hours and hours of practise.Even now at age 82 and 8 years of regular training from 72 to 1980. If someone makes a unexpected hand towards my face I auto block without even thinking about it.
Thats every karate dudes wet dream, but sadly just a dream
😳
Oh well
Lol...exactly. So many WOMEN putting their kids in this pretend fighting dancing class its rediculous lol. I blame the fat gutted beta male fathers
@@nvm3515 kyukoshin has entered the chat.
@@ajpope2010 Daaanm son! You sound hella tough! I bet you fucks alot
This is why traditional karate works so well in actual MMA fights!
Mma is nothing more than organized arena man-grabbing for entertainment purposes, that's a fact. You try it in the streets, you'll end up stabbed or shot.
It really doesn't. Not on its own, but integrated with other moves yes. If you thought the white dude was any good, you really not seen many fights. That white guy would have been destroyed in any MMA fight.
John W uhh that’s why you don’t fight folks who have a weapon. Congrats on winning the dumbest post of 2020.
@@iraisaacs1805 it's laughable to assume you know who does and doesn't have a weapon. Fuckin clown.
Actually since the emergence of Karate nothing better or more effective has been invented. Karate is the quintessence and peak point of all martial arts.
About 2 years ago I found this comment section full of martial arts analysis and now it's full of jokes 😂
Its a shame
For the greater good.
Jason I didnt think youd be interested in martial arts,you geyting bored of killing counsellors?
@sooraj you can't remember the detail but you can remember the majority of it..
Analysis? On a scripted 'fight'? That white guy wasn't even aiming for him. All his blows were going to miss anyway.
Funny we never see anyone fight using that 'style' in MMA'
I met Michael Jai White once and he's the nicest guy! And his arms were like Popeye's!