Tanya's Speech || Humans prefer emotions over logic, irrationalism of humanity || Youjo senki
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- Опубликовано: 26 июн 2021
- This Speech is from tanya the protagonist of anime and light novel series The saga of tanya the evil, that how humans stills prefers emotions over logic when they're angry. No matter how much we believe we've modernized, humans continue to be foolish creatures.
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facts don't care about your feelings until feelings don't care about your facts.
The world tends to slap the shit out of the person that does not care about facts. We coddle the people that use feelings and protect them from the facts.
@@ernimuja6991 okay I don't really understand what you're saying, please explain.
Yes.
@@milesgwatidzo4143 Let's say you ignore gravity which is a fact. If you fall off a builsing believing you can fly, the world will kill you for it.
We don't follow facts because we feel like it. We follow facts because that is how we navigate through life successfully.
These people that say "I feel like" ignore facts and often suffer from it if left alone. Then it comes to society to protect them from consequences.
@@ernimuja6991 I've seen it time and time again. Everyone knows that if they gamble, they will lose all their money but they do it anyway. Everyone knows what happens if they smoke or drink, but they don't care. Everyone knows that overeating is bad. Everyone knows the consequences of hurting someone even if they hurt you first.
People ruin themselves all the time just for a little pleasure or revenge. Just imagine a world where people didn't give into their base instincts.
The most common delusion of man is the belief we are special and life has always taken that personally
Well I still think we are, I see your point but I don't think it's a delusion given all the things we can do and have had.This includes all the good and bad stuff we have had.
@@milesgwatidzo4143 We are unique in that we are the first sapient species of this planet and have achieved a relatively high level of industrial civilization, with all the good and evil that comes with such developments. But against the backdrop of the cosmos, the relentless grind of time and entropy, we are an insignificant speck of an insignificant speck of a particle. Yet we persevere because to do anything else is to surrender to the vast nothingness that came before us, that surrounds us still, and that waits for us at the end of our species.
If we embrace a bigger picture, we realize how small we are, this creates loneliness. . .
Life of Pi
and
Reverend Insanity
@@stephenkenney8290
Cute idea
"We are unique in the sense that as species we manage to built an industrial society"
Ants and other bugs have manage to do that since their birth while humans took them centuries to begin to comprehend the very idea of "Industrilazation" and even yet that idea has been so exploited it has completly lost its meaning in a sea of perversion an consumerism
it's like u guys are trying to sound smart, chill bruh just an anime speech lmao
This would sound really impressive if it wasn’t a depressingly obvious conclusion for anyone who’s worked a single day in retail.
“No, Karen, I can’t give you this discount that expired SIX MONTHS AGO.”
Customer service is where logic goes to die.
I'm 13 and i knew humans where basically just animals since i was 9
@@yang3562 ok 👌
ANY service industry really. You would not beleive how many psychos show up in Casinos, and thats just made 10x worse by alcohol service.
@@yang3562 Ah, so you're in your edgy, nihilistic teenager phase.
@@teshimartinz7690 👌
"Shovels are great. Shovels are the quintessence of civilization." - Tanya Degurechaff page 256 vol. 2 The Saga of Tanya the Evil
Brought me to tears. What wise words.
Extremely Accurate words, Shovels are what i would call a true multi purpose tool.
Yep, you can dig with shovels, knock out senior officers with a shovel, can use shovels instead of your bayonet to kill the filthy enemy inside the trench you dug with that shovel. Shovels are great.
The Death Korps of Krieg heartily agrees.
@@gildedphoenix you can use shovels as a spoon if you wanted to
_Chaos was the law of nature; Order was the dream of man._
~ Henry Adams
Nice one
Yeah. Embrace the chaos and live with it. Or destroy everything and mold it into what we like.
See this is why Que Sera Sera exists.
"Wait till you see it"
"See what?"
"What a man can do to another man"
Fury, 2014
I've seen it😶.....
"Why don't they just give up?"
"Would you? Would I?"
Paul glanced at Halleck, took in the defensive positions of his guards, looked at the banker until the man lowered the water flagon. He said: “Once, on Caladan, I saw the body of a drowned fisherman recovered. He-”
“Drowned?” It was the stillsuit manufacturer’s daughter.
Paul hesitated, then: “Yes. Immersed in water until dead. Drowned.”
“What an interesting way to die,” she murmured.
Paul’s smile became brittle. He returned his attention to the banker. “The interesting thing about this man was the wounds on his shoulders-made by another fisherman’s claw-boots. This fisherman was one of several in a boat-a craft for traveling on water-that foundered . . . sank beneath the water. Another fisherman helping recover the body said he’d seen marks like this man’s wounds several times. They meant another drowning fisherman had tried to stand on this poor fellow’s shoulders in the attempt to reach up to the surface-to reach air.”
“Why is this interesting?” the banker asked.
“Because of an observation made by my father at the time. He said the drowning man who climbs on your shoulders to save himself is understandable- except when you see it happen in the drawing room.” Paul hesitated just long enough for the banker to see the point coming, then: “And, I should add, except when you see it at the dinner table.”
Just wait until you can see what the Goblin Slayer can do to Goblins...
U gay ?
I love this... So many people forget about how emotions can impact a person's decision-making. And not just hatred, plain old SPITE can be just as influential. If someone FEELS that they are being insulted, you'd be surprised at just what kind of advantages, rewards, and perks they are willing to give up just to spit in the other person's eye.
Sometimes I think I should quit my job but if I think logically then it's not good 😂😂😂
@@mugiwaraboyaa9406 See, what you do is: LOGICALLY stockpile your money and get another job lined up. Then when you've got enough, SPITEFULLY quit at the worst possible moment for your boss. Trust me when I say it feels GREAT to get back at lazy or abusive bosses like this. 😊😈
😂I agree with you I am preparing to do something like this
It takes practice but you can divorce yourself from emotions when planning. They don't kick in until realization kicks in.
That reminds me of Vegeta vs Cell, due to Vegeta’s arrogance he lets Cell powers up to his full potential and in the end gets pummelled
I like to think when she refer's to "her own history" she's referring to the history of Japan during ww2. Many soldiers had this mind set that they'd continue fighting, even if the war is over. It wasn't until reality came crashing down with the bomb that they realize this.
Since there is some significant likes on this, I'll also add that this same mind set is what led one Japanese solider to keep on fighting till 1974, over 30 years since the war's end.
I was also thinking of how he got pushed off the train station as a personal experience but the ww2 example also makes sense
If only she was referring to that one but based on the similar storyline they're going with I do believe with a factor of 99.9% accuracy that it is yon Hitler that she is referring to, an absolutely hate filled human being yet his actions he believed were for the good of his own country just as we believed we putting him and his people down were for the good of our country ironic when you come to think of it both are right and both are wrong it's one of those hypocritical philosophical quandaries all human beings are evil and good we have equal capacity for both I love how this show delves into that deep dark question.... What kind of people do we want to be.
My takeaway was that Tanya was referring to when she got pushed into the traintracks in her prievious life. But, without further context being given, her speech can easily be applied to a number of different possible references, some of which the replies to this comment have already adressed.
Wait, i think i read something about it once, those soldiers believed the war still going on and everyone around were lying to make them give up, right?
The best thing is that Tanya is irrational herself, because she would rather fight the whole World than submit to being X
Athiests in a nutshell
No Atheists don't believe in God. Now plenty of Atheists also think that the god character described in the Christian bible is an evil character and many of those say that if such a God existed they would not worship it, but I suspect that many of them when faced with a eternity of torment would bend the knee if it was actually demonstrated to exist. I know I would. It would be an terrible world, but we must deal with reality as it is.
@@jaydenshepard7928 Except atheists don't believe in a god. So this example can't apply here, since Tanya has a direct experience with being x, and no human has had a direct experience with a deity.
@@themyththelegendphilswift3201 Most atheists would still cling to denial and others would refuse god even if there was proof, because they couldnt accept giving themselves to a higher power.
Many would probably come around, but many athiests are irrational by nature because believing with such certainty that there is no god or gods, is just as unscientific as believing with absolute certainty that there is a higher power.
There is no evidence that a higher power does not exist, just as there is not concrete evidence that one does exist.
And this is coming from an agnostic, i’m not even religious and its obvious just how irrational most atheism is.
@@jaydenshepard7928 Except you have no proof of that atheists wouldn't come around, as there is no proof of a deity existing or having an effect on the world. So there are no examples of Atheists coming around and believing in god (or in this case, not believing in god) dues to concrete evidence.
I agree with the speech, I don't agree with what people take away from it. It is not emotion that is the enemy, but ignorance. Emotion is not a weakness but a strength. Those without emotions are like machines, those without logic are like beasts.
Emotion gives you the desire to do things. Logic helps you achieve those things. Logic without emotion has no real goal. Emotion without logic is erratic. The best is the mix of both, Where Emotion guides Logic towards some objective, and Logic paths the path to get there.
We must always walk the line between the two
Chaplin said it best "We think too much and feel to little".
Reaching emotionlessness in short bursts can be extremely uplifting and purifying, bringing a clarity of thought unlike what most can ever hope to dream of.
It is a state of mind to be envied and attempted to be reached. The clarity allows you to formulate plans and designs that stagger the imagination.
No, you shouldn't live like that. However, you should strive to reach it often when you have a goal.
@@joshcreegan8816 Other way around now.
I've known about this anime for a while and this made me decide to watch.
I agree with Tanya.
Season 2 coming soon I too watched this anime recently and not that bad
@@mugiwaraboyaa9406 Thank you for saying this i was really hoping there would be one
@@mugiwaraboyaa9406 you should read the light novels
@@misakamisakasays4403 I haven't read any light novel yet I tried once oregairu light novel but it was really hard to imagine things 🥺
@@mugiwaraboyaa9406 well it also has a manga
She did a "facts don't care about your feelings" on him while explaining that feelings don't care about facts. Absolute... would it be a Chad or Chadette?
"Boss" is the word you're looking for
Devil of the Rhine.
Stacy I believe
Was a he, reincarnated to a she, so chadster
I'll give her Chadette
I once read that when it comes to decision making, your heart makes the decision, and logic just tries to come up with a reason to justify your choice
Ayooo beautiful i can totally relate to them like thieves saying themselves that it is not wrong to steal if someone is not giving u job
Huh. Almost kinda reminds me how the Master of Masters interpreted Xehanort’s speech in KH3 Re:Mind.
"So you’re saying the weak feel the need to justify their actions in order to maintain a sense of self. Can’t let that slide?"
It's true. And yet when we use logic over morals. Well we're seen as monsters. No. We just made the right choice.
Like lelouch ?
@@mugiwaraboyaa9406 yes
@@mugiwaraboyaa9406 Thats actually a damn good comparison.
That's the only character I can compare with or L 😅
you mean the Objective choice. "Right and wrong" are terms that align themselves with morals. though if you want to be even more accurate, you made the most reasonable choice for your group/nation/factions self preservation. Something ideologies sacrifice mass human life don't understand. Because no matter how much "empathy" one has they ironically don't mind grinding men and families there a meat grinder to show they are "morally" right. But the end it's the people who use reason and logic to self preserve most of life, we cannot erase emotion or murderous impulses, it's the only thing that makes us Human, makes us WANT to live this wretched life, yet we also have to understand we will only be human and nothing further then that... God complex's is for the weak minded, or Being X.
Someone needs to make a Tanya Sigma Male meme
Sigma female*
@@theArgent44 Tanya can be whatever the hell she wants.
@@regretfullchief8866 Sigma Salaryman
@@theArgent44 Sigma male*
@@theArgent44 sigma devil
That why in every game or movie human still continue fighting Alien, Ai, human even know it was useless struggles...we continue to figth cause our emotions drive us to....
That drive will inevitably lead to a wreck. No matter how comfortable any emotion is it can't be trusted. Logic should be driven so you can get to your destination with ease.
Emotions can blind while logic will clear your vision.
Sometimes it's really hard to accept reality and go with logics
@@mugiwaraboyaa9406 It took me a few years to get to this point. I feel better because of it.
If one can control his thoughts then one can easily control his emotions........logical mindset is really something
Your reason is flaw for the references of games, movies are scripts of someone else's imagination even if your conclusion is valid
This makes so much more sense because HE was literally murdered by a man driven by vengeance. She literally has first hand experience on being of the bad side of a vengeful persona and also being unprepared about it. It's almost like a trauma, she just can't help but think about how irrational humanity can get, because she doesn't want to die again... Cause she can't afford to die again, cause she knows that death time will have even greater consequence than last time.
When the chips are down these civilized people will eat each other.
- Joker
I love how this shows Tanya's growth as a character. Their original death was caused by the same mistake these generals are making essentially.
The victims of their rational logic and judgement attack them out of vengeance when they are unguarded.
now i get it the guy pushed tanya guy in the train cuz he was mad
@@reshused-8960 I have not seen the anime. But he was fired by Tanya guy. Tanya guy's boss actually warned him to be careful around the tracks making this comparison more ironic.
@@phantom-ri2tg The guy Tanya fired was actually costing the company money and was given multiple warnings to clean his act up, but he didn't, yet he tries to pull the family argument on Tanya despite that and tries to act like Tanya is the villain when they're not.
@@starhammer5247 I am aware.
@@phantom-ri2tg, I know. I'm just adding some extra context for the other people that may be reading this, quite frankly, brief conversation.
I love how Tanya corrects herself with "my own history" instead of just "world history"
Almost like she remember she was reincarnated into the world
Even in the anime she references newtons law which the scientist (don't remember his name but made the amulets Tanya has) said was a complete lie
When it hadn't actually been made but still persist because of failure itself
Isaac Newton
@@jocelynuy2922 thank you idkw I didn't remember
The crazy scientist that makes the computational orbs is Doctor Shugel
Bro what are you talking about? She got reincarnated into Nazi Germany right? They definitely should have known what Newton’s laws were. They have guns for fucks sake 😂 how did they ever achieve anything if they have no fundamental understanding of physics 😂
Emotions are logical, just not all of them are logical for our modern world.
Anger, hatred, fury... also love, lust and excitement. We evolved these emotions because it helped us in ancient times. Without hatred we would not have hunted all of our natural predators into extinction. Without lust we would not reproduce. And so on.
But the times have moved on, and many such emotions no longer fit with what is best in this new world we have built, hence why we consider emotions to be "irrational" when in actuality they are perfectly rational for the world that was. Its just that as our world, by our own hand, has changed, we ourselves are unwilling (or perhaps, unable) to change with it. What use is hatred in a world where we could destroy the planet with the push of a button, when diplomacy has shown time and time again to be more effective? What use is lust when we desire to build lasting relationships to underpin our modern, monogamous society?
Something is "logical" when it is a pragmatic choice/option towards achieving a certain goal, and this encompasses emotions as well. If our goal is to have world peace and happiness, then some emotions are logical while others are illogical and counterproductive. To say that all emotion is illogical is incorrect. To say that some of our basal emotions, driven by countless millenia of evolution, is illogical in our modern world and the future world we want to build, is correct.
Lust allows you to form the base of a relationship, from there you need to work at it to maintain the relationship. Anger gives you strength and determination to beat someone or something that has bested you before, Allowing it to control you completely leads to your downfall. Fury is just mindless anger. All emotions have a time and a place, It's when you let them over come your reason and better sense that they become a hinderance. Logic alone however is just as faulty. it only works properly when in tandem with human nature.
Emotions dont fit in anymore but leaders are still humans with feelings, so history will repeat again and again unfortunately. Just look at russia and china
Why did i read this in Tanya's voice
It’s not that we don’t want to adapt to the world, it’s just that we were too damn good and too damn fast. Animals adapt over thousands-millions of years. We have basically rewrote the entire world’s history to the point it is literally in recognizable to only 200 years ago. I don’t think it’s even possible to comprehend the difference.
Nothing has moved on, it is foolish to think that because a certain date is on the calendar, things are different because of it
They ain't
“Emotions can be a weakness or a strength, or both. No matter the circumstance, both instances can be used as destructive weapons. Weapons, a pistol that can be directed to you, me, or us all. Even if you indulge yourself in the logic and rationality you know now, all it takes is for you to feel emotion to pull the trigger.”
This is a concept I’ve learned throughout my life, especially through observing how modern society is now.
Love, rage, sadness, and more are potential weapons that can function as one’s avid drive of empowerment or desire for demise. Love can inaugurate you into foolish behaviour. Rage, as well as vengeance, guides you into a path that provides you the satisfaction you yearned for so deeply, even potentially giving you disregard for your own well-being as a whole.
It is logical to have these emotions, to embrace them as humans beings. They do not necessarily contradict each other as logical comprehension is applicable to human emotion. It is and was necessary for us to thrive as a species. A world full of apathy, is a world full of potential tragedy, as emptiness kills, kills one’s ability to think logically. Emotions are chief variables in a logical analysis. It only seems *logical* to understand each other, to understand that we, as humans, tend to prefer emotion over logic.
It's rather ironic that Monica Rial is giving a speech on irrationalism when she recorded her lines as tanya but sadly she and her peers gave in to their emotions.
The Irony of it all. Make me laugh.
God damn, really? Monica Rial plays Tanya? That really annoys me, since I love Tanyas voice :(
How did she give in to her emotions?
Thats why you watch sub
@@TusharSingh-zh5tq destroying people’s livelihoods over minor offenses or simple grudges. Fabricating stories for sympathy and gathering an angry mob to run someone she didn’t agree with out of work. She has done these things many times. To people who dare talk back against her online or within Funimation itself. She’s just an egotistical and emotional beast.
No matter how much we believe we've modernized, no matter what social constructions we pledge to live by, when emotions make someone unreasonable
. Humans continue to be foolish creatures, we think we're so advanced but when pushed, we still prioritize emotions over logic when human being's overcome with hatred they'll keep fighting without concern for self-interest or reason regardless of what they might stand to gain or lose
checkout new quote on channel from gintama on Hope
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That's true but without emotions humans are just mashines, emotions are what gives us humanity
There needs to be a balance between emotions, logic and instinct.
If there is no balance we die foolishly because we become unable to comprehend other people around us
@@lilestojkovicii6618 you guys are getting away from actual quote what she wants to say........it's not like she is saying we should become emotionless machine or robot
Modernized has nothing to do with decisions it just a fancy way of saying keeping up with the times. Morals are made up BS, emotions are troublesome, and Humans are arrogant creatures who think themselves special when in reality they're just one of many different types of animals with a unique trait that unfortunately causes them to act more like a cancer or virus. Just because we have advanced technology doesn't mean we are advanced beings it just means we have a bigger ego.
Humans will always prioritize emotions because that's the type of animal we are the social kind that relies on the many by use of emotional bonding and the only way to break out of that is to get betrayed and lose all sense of trust in others.
Greed is our biggest sin tho ppl fight and cause death or chaos simply because they want more and because crisis is profitable
@@mugiwaraboyaa9406 But that's the thing. Without emotions, there's no reason. That's why they will always be above logic. It's not so much logic vs emotions as much as intentions vs intentions. A tool can never be a driving force.
Lile Stojković II Without emotion, a human isn’t just a machine. The human is more akin to a psychopath. I’ve heard that psychopaths feel things such as pleasure and fear, but it seems like much more shallow emotion, or even just “instincts.” At that point, if you took the above two away, wouldn’t a person just not bother to live?
Emotions are meant to guide us to “better” decision-making. Of course, they’re not perfect, but they should always be acknowledged and understood, and other times heeded. If a person disregards their emotion without understanding why they feel a certain way (or how others feel), that’s another way to come to an irrational decision; it’s purposefully shutting out information.
Anime always seems to contain more knowledge than I ever learned in school
“When a human being’s overcome with hatred they’ll keep fighting without concern for self-interest or reason regardless of what they might stand to gain or lose.”
This sounds so much like Eren Yeager before the timeskip. When he was just a kid obsessed with revenge and wanted the heads of every titan in sight. Recklessly diving into unwinnable battles, saying whatever was on his mind, and putting the people around him in danger due to his choices. Eren is definitely the personification of raw human emotions and irrationalism.
Eren post time skip is what happens when you take logic too far and it turns you into a monster.
@@edwardcierniak7879 In fact, if you really think about it, Eren post-time skip and Tanya after episode 11 are really similar, the only difference being Eren (spoiler) is willing to die for what he believes in, whereas Tanya is absolutely not
Also, to keep the comparison, I love how much more efficient Eren became post time skip. You can say he grew, became more experienced, but Eren manages to pull his weight against several unique Titans when he could barely fight one on equal ground before.
@@anonymous99632 And he probably already saw his own end through the attack titan.
She’s right. War is essentially the basis for the mere existence of mankind born of fury and rage. It is the one thing we all share.
Or to make it short: Feelings don´t care about your facts
No matter the emotion or rationalization of the dead, everything ends with its most logical conclusion......... DEATH, death is the goal, the end of all things. It doesn't matter how you get there, be it by logic or emotions, all dreams, all fears all hopes end in death.
sun tzu art of war, never back an enemy into a corner
Main message of the book lord of the flies
Saga of tanya the evil. I love this anime.
One of the reasons youjo senki and Tanya are one of my favourite character and shows of all time
Youjo Senki: gets philosophical about the nature of man
Also Youjo Senki: desert pasta go brrrr
Desert pasta was a great OVA though
Some men will continue to fight even when they can't win, just for the chance to hurt their target a little
This sounds like a speech that would be given to Solid Snake by an adversary.
Tanya would be a final boss of a Metal Gear game on the level of Boss from MGS3 or even Solidus in MGS2 with a speech like this. Considering Solidus only exists because Naked Snake did. Just the fact he existed and what he accomplished are why Solid and Liquid ever existed. In fact it wouldn't be crazy to see her sub title to be "Heiress/Daughter of Snakes" if there was ever going to be an MGS6. Hell Tanya only exists in that world because of what is said in that speech.
I think I can agree what Tanya Degurechaff said...also her Experience too..where nothing more but just humans..who only do things and what we do whatever we want..simply by desires or emotions, we keep moving forward because of our emotions, we seek Vengence because of emotions, we feel fear because of emotions, and other things...where just simply humans, who wanted to do whatever we want to do base on our instinct or desires perhaps...
welp thats what I learned from Tanya...well not much but I understand some of it.
Truth is a harshest words
This is my argument.
Why do we prefer emotion, then logic? Why? To let our emotions show is to show weakness. Yet we had embraced this weakness and made a part of our culture. When logic is able to help us make the most efficient choices. But we as a species tend to defy logic for emotions. Many conflicts has been caused by emotions. From the hate of those wronged us, to the Germans hatred of the Jewish people. Why do we choose to do this? What does it even mean to be human?
Simple. We show emotions for it is logical. When is a single ant strong alone? That is why we show emotions. We show emotions so that we can connect with others, so that we can unite, so that we are not alone. Thus it was logical to show emotion. When was a single person able to do something that history records. One may invent an invention. But it is a group who makes it. That is why we we show emotions.
This is the best argument for an objective value of emotion that i have seen.
Exactly, emotion allows humanity to act collectively not individually as it acts as a catalyst to enabling human connection and through human connection we develop the strength to survive collectively, by being emotional we build groups and as a group, humans can more effectively survive which is why it is biologically written into us that we are social creatures that feel emotion, because it is evolutionary advantageous to be so.
You're missing something. All reason for using logic itself is to ultimately feel good emotions. Using logic itself is a sort of emotional response. Feeling is the base because no matter what we do it's to feel happiness or satisfaction, even using logic. You don't need to rationalize emotion, there is no need. For all of reality itself is irrational.
What you said isn't the cause of emotions, it's just the effect. If you look into yourself individually, do you show emotions because of some ultimate rational/logical plan that is behind the scenes, or is it merely because you are in search of some sort of satisfaction?
Showing emotions isn't even a weakness. Saying rationalism is before emotions is completely backwards. All of logic originates because of ones emotional response for the search of satisfaction and survival.
We aren't looking for efficiency, we are looking for satisfaction. There is no need to rationalize emotion, it's completely irrational.
And if you think about it, rationality itself is irrational. Why logic, why anything when you are gonna die after all? One can say that the goal of all logic is ultimately to survive, to thrive. But what is thriving but feeling content and satisfied. Which is after all a feeling. Survival is completely illogical, think about it. When one asks "Why should I survive" answer comes "Because I don't wanna die", and when we ask "Why do I not wanna die?" then it's "because I wanna survive."
Fear of death is illogical because it is its own reason. And it's an emotion which fuels all rationality and logic.
Rationalizing emotions is like trying to define a brick in terms of castles. Brick is first order, the castle is only second order.
What?
People feel emotions because of chemical reactions in the brain. Different circumstances make for different reactions. That's literally it. Lmao
@@williamhand4349Logically that can't be it because our emotions allow us to stay in check and to better interact. If we just thought off logic everyone would be selfish and would act in self interest. Emotions are real
Perfect wisdom for these dark days, especially emotions fuelled by a blind faith are the most toxic
Humanity has a tendency to use logic as a way to dampen emotions. What we seem to forget is that the emotions are never gone. They are still there. While logic can only dampen emotions, emotions can overrule logic. Let me give you an example. Two sides are going to war. One side has resources the other needs for survival. You can use logic here in the sense that if you don't fight, you and everyone you know would die sooner or later do to starvation or other reasons. That can keep you going. It would be your crutch that keeps you fighting even though you know what you are doing is wrong. Even though you are killing and stealing, it is necessary for your and your families survival. The problem is that logic and emotion start to get real messy when you begin to involve stuff like ethnicity and religion. There is also taught emotions. Stuff like hate and fear can also be taught. We are told to be weary of strangers and to fear white vans. Some people are taught to hate or fear certain ethnic groups or religions. Sure as a society we have gotten better and have been making strives to improve on and educate people on being more loving and supporting. I fear all it would take would be a big enough war to set us back on braking the chain of mindless hate back a few years or even more.
Beyond that point even without emotion you can not come to a logical decision. For example until you reach the emotional base that makes up humans you can not logically argue that I should get out of bed in the morning.
This is because any sort of goal has to be a desire and that is put simply one of the basic human emotions.
Ive had countless talks with people who believe peace is the obvious way forward for humanity but they ignore one obvious thing about us, you cant change an entire society at a moments notice. It takes generations
Even with generations, there will always be outliers that will want war and will spew malice to cause it.
Man I absolutely love this anime, one of my favourites, even if not perfect. I think Tanya must be one of the most likeable antiheroes as brutal and sometimes evil as she is that I know of. I can’t wait for season 2.
We at the end of the day we are all meant to be at war the basic instincts of fight or flight have never left us...
Self delusion and determination are humanity's two greatest weakness, and humanity's greatest weapons.
Brutal truth and that's why this anime is great.
Even your profile pic is also a legend i put his backstory on par with likes of GUTS 🍻
@@mugiwaraboyaa9406 yep thx. Good old alucard though I find abridged alucard to be that much more hilarious.
And that’s why a scorned human can bring down an entire empire or a God, and a righteous human could reshape the world as we know it
Humans need both emotions and logic to be fully functioning humans being. Emotions aren’t a weaknesses especially since they are the main reason for why we are logical.
Played Mozart's Lacrimosa for five seconds before starting the video for the speech, and ngl, it made it hit a bit harder than before with how well it synced up to the switches of characters speaking, certain moments of the speech being emphasized by the music's own changing, etc
It’s better to balance both facts and feelings. Because that’s what makes you human, but sadly some people are just too dumb to understand such a simple thing like self control and anger management.
They tend to use facts as a way to slander other people without caring that their feelings might be affected. While the latter tend to forget about the facts and goes straight to do the most stupidest things without any logic to back up what they have done is something right to the majority.
Humans are selfish, greedy, immature, rude, and most importantly illogical at times(not everyone of course). With that reckless behavior a lot will get sacrificed just for some personal vengeance in war. This is why children shouldn’t go to war(an example of that is Mary Sue character in Tanya).
A bit late but thanks for saying this.
Emotions are the seasonings of the meal that is life. But like seasonings on food, it's important to remember that the spices are not the meal itself. Drown your meal in spices and you tend to ruin the meal in terms of taste, sometimes rendering it....unpalatable.
The irony of this VA making this speech is not lost on me
Mind explaining? I never pay attention to who voices what or what goes on in the Industry. I just watch the anime that seem interesting and move on.
@@Blossoming_Fate she has done some pretty heinous shit when it comes to how she reacts to people, this speech is kinda hypocritical because of that
@@Going1outof10 ah thank you.
This is something that people who watch attack on titan don't realize about the situation. They think if he only attacks a small portion it'' eventually get better but no that will cause their fear to reach a bigger point and wipe them out completely, unless you wipe out the enemy completely their will be retribution despite all logic saying you shouldn't attack.
This sounds like it would be out of metal gear and or Fullmetal alchemist especially b when she calls back on the personal experience , cue quick flashbacks of the battlefield
He meant history of Charles Degaule and the French in WWII first tho.
@@clorkmagnus just making a correlation to the things I love based off nostalgia and favorite games
While all of that may in fact be true. I present an alternative way of looking at logic, what is logic? Where does it fundamentally come from? It usually comes from deductive reason, by process of elimination or some variance of that. What these methods basically boil down to is that’s they’re based around analyzing perceived information (gathered information from you or another or a combination of these, most likely), while I admit this isn’t a perfect explanation of what logic is as I’m sure I could sit here for hours breaking down how complicated logic really is, so it has to be taken with a grain of salt, in which case bare with it for the sake of the point I’m making. Without a doubt what you’re capable of doing while using logic is amazing evidence by everything humans have constructed. That being said, you only have to look a little further to understand the point I’m making, all those creations humanity is responsible for, they’re based around a persons irrational response. In other words, you can look at logic as a response or the next level to irrationality. The next logical question (see what I did there) is if we view logic as a response to irrationality. What does the next level past logic look like? And does it view logic in a similar manner as we view irrationality?
How’s that for mindfuckery?
True? Blatantly biased.
I mean, logic probably comes most foundationally from the laws of logic
@@loganpharis6747 As I stated, I could sit here for hours arguing about the complexities that form logic. As for the laws of logic, that's a theory created by using logic. In other words, it's logic explaining logic, in the most logical way possible. What I'm presenting is that logic is a response to irrationality. So, what is the response to logic? Or the next step in evolution.
"you could even call it a think tank"
a f*cking pun, in the middle of *this*
Imagine if Tanya was like this in Quartet. Walking up to Ainz, sitting on his lap, and saying that speech.
A perfectly Logical society is a Utopia. Because any problems and issues could be dealt with rationality and treated clinically. The society would eliminate War, Poverty, Discrimination, violence, etc. Each decision would be logical and all the member of said society would except it as it would be the most optimal choice and action.
In my opinion, human emotion and irrationality is the reason why a Utopia is unobtainable. So long as Humans have emotions like love and hate things can never run smoothly, this is because so long as those emotions are within us so to is greed, pride, etc. Those things are what leads a Utopian society into a decline. All it takes is single emotional response for a Utopia into failing
Can you give an example of how _love_ could lead a utopia onto a path to dystopia, please? I can see how obsession and or pride masquerading as "love" might do that, but not how actual genuine love could.
Yap, pretty much sums up WW1.
After Russia surrendered Germany and Austria sued for peace. With Russia defeated the initial war reason over Serbia was over. It was a war that no one wanted to begin with. The deaths and destruction were just pointless. But the allies wanted blood.
That voice acting is out of this world, really sets the tone for that speech!
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups."
- George Carlin
Logic dies when idiots are given positions of power to cause chaos among ourselves. Sure, this instance, her war is made by rational people, but not everyone considers "Wouldn't it be more rational to find ways to advance the world instead of killing each other over petty stuff?"
We have the technology to improve, all of those daydreams of space traveling and exploration and improving local stuff to the point where overpopulation wouldn't be a problem, but instead we use our technology to destroy, that's why we haven't advanced in over 20 years in a sense.
Her speech talks about anger, but mine talks about greed. No matter how "Advanced" we are, we're still going to the basic instincts of self importance, to the point where we'll kill anyone who contests it.
And this is a world I regret living, when everyone has to fight to be more important to others, that they lose track that it's the people who MADE you important that you should be helping back, and I don't mean those that gave you the time of the day, I mean EVERYONE.
War is needed, anytime we goto war our technology advances and pushes harsh reality onto the most emotional delusional people
I do think this scene is hell of a lot more terrifying in the shoes of who she is speaking to as well. Entire anime, that man considered her a monster. More than what she is. He alone saw past that she's an 12 year old child. That there's a greater evil inside her.
And then she says this.
Speaks of an experience she saw on the front line, but eludes to something that happened far beyond her own life span. Personally.
and THIS is why I love Tanya
Wonderfully well said. Humanity is the most broken mixture between emotions and logic... one inevitably bound to lead to its downfall.
Especially in cancel culture
Emotion is best described as a double edged sword, it can be of great strength and can also be ones greatest weakness, however it is better to not throw it away, it is true a person without emotion can achieve many things, but they can also be easily taken down as they function more like a machine, they follow a set of rules that makes them predictable, it's the same as people who also throw away logic and facts but the opposite, they are erratic but can easily be taken down though they are far more dangerous due to their more unpredictability, in conclusion it is best to have both and keep them in balance, be predictable and unpredictable, know when to use emotion and when to use logic and when to use both.
"If I may permitted"🤓☝️
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And that's what makes us the most resilient. No matter the cost, we fight for something way bigger than us. Consideration of personal gains when entire countries and peoples are at stake is not rationalism, like Tanya says. It is pure selfishness, maybe even mixed with cowardice and laziness.
Nothing was ever built or freed by Tanya's so-called "rationalism".
Interesting argument, but I have to respectfully disagree. Why do nations fight wars? Why do countries put their very sovereignty at stake? Nothing is done just for the sake of it, there is a reason for it, a rationality, something to be gained that deems the risk taken worth it, whether that’d be over resources, territory, or a perceived threat. Was human civilization not built over time due to the benefits that a society could bring (e.g. only some people having to farm which allows everyone else to create and develop different things and contribute in different ways) and the developments that these subsequent societies brought, bringing mankind to where it is today? All of these were and still are done due to rationalism and human being’s reasoning and ability to weigh the benefits and risks of things against each other. What Tanya is referring to here is uncontrolled emotional reactions that pushes aside all rationality and logic and guides a person only by their impulse and feelings at the moment. THAT type of disregard of self-interest or what to be gained or lost is detrimental as you’d probably understand, if someone let their anger overtake them and murdered another person in the process, it benefits nobody and now that person who committed the murder is likely rotting away in prison. What you are referring to is selflessness, and someone who acts out of selflessness vs. someone who acts out of anger, hatred, or vengeance is very different. A society cannot exist and function if its members are only guided by emotion and their individual feelings, civilizations and nations only exist because people understand the need to put aside some of their own emotion and contribute to the continuity of their community.
@@tricksnotreats7277 But why do we need continuity? Isn't it maked from our basic animalistic emotions to survive? I get it, we do need logic if we want to survive in this world, but we cannot just destroy emotions. I agree with what you said, that rational thinking is key to victory, but we also need our emotions as fuel to continue of the rationalitys and mankind as a whole. (i dont know if this makes sense because my english isnt best, so sorry about that).
This speech still gives me chills to this day
Take people out of there comfort zones and it'll show ya everything
The human race sickens me probably why I love this anime and Jorgumand so much
This is what it mean To Live in Society according to Tanya
Tanya is everything I aspire to be. There, I said it !
Would love to see that in Erwin's voice! Nice
"If I may be permitted to give my opinion once more, General Zettour and rudersdorf are logical pragmatists, highly skilled in political and military matters. No doubt about that. They make for great soldiers, in fact, the same could be said for you as well. Our strategic HQ is truly a bastion of logic, a fortress of knowledge, you could even call it a think tank. It's because of this that you've all come to believe that the war is at it's end because it's the only rational conclusion given the circumstances. But, you see, that sort of thinking ignores one critical component of war."
"And that would be what? Indulge me. "
"Our chief strategists are far too rational, in a way it makes them blind to the real world. And thus, they've completely overlooked something crucial. Rationalism and pragmatism are not the only things that drive human actions. At our cores, we are all still foolish creatures."
"You're suggesting that humans are merely beasts? That we're still slaves to our baser instincts without care for logic?"
"I hate to be the one who has to tell you this lieutenant colonel but what you just said is exactly right."
"Preposterous, what evidence do you have?"
"Knowledge of history, though I guess, I really mean my own history. My own personal experiences and memories."
"Explain how you know then."
"I have seen hatred personified, it burned in the eyes of a man promising retribution no matter what the cost. I have seen the moment when a talented soldier lost all reason and gave himself over to anger. I have witnessed countless acts of vengeance. They were driven by fury and so I realized something during this war.... No.... perhaps it would be more appropriate to say I remembered something I'd forgotten. That I have personally experienced the irrationalism of humanity. I know what happens when emotions make someone unreasonable. No matter how much we believed we've modernized, no matter what social constructions we pledge to live by, humans continue to be foolish creatures. We think we're so advanced but when pushed we still prioritize emotions over logic. When a human being's overcome with hatred, they'll keep fighting without concern for self-interest or reason. Regardless of what they might stand to gain or lose."
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@@mugiwaraboyaa9406 Nobody else had done it so I spent like 20 minutes writing it out lmao
Appreciated it bro checkout other quotes too on channel
exhaustion is an emotion too.. and exhaustion is controllable by economic facts..
Salayman is such a character. I love him since whenever he talks it so easy to imagine him as an internet troll using anonymity as a shield until he forgets that he is NOT behind a screen. Love the character its so hypocritical and I love them for it. Sasuga Tanya-chan
It's crazy how much you can learn from anime
All she wanted was to stop the empire being Dunkirked.
And there is why you have to teach yourself to overcome basic instinct and try to be anything but stupid in a fight
The greatest lie of humanity is the belief that we are not in control of ourselves.
This is one of my favorite speeches. The perfect response to the facts don't care about your feelings crowd.
Rationality is not the only thing we humans have, humans in nature was just made irrational and through this irrationality hence desperation, therefore fear not the man who has something to lose, but the man you have nothing to take from, for a person that has nothing to lose is a foe worse than a hungry beast.
thank you for the beautiful new desktop background image
sad but true
As a student of history myself and one who has played "The last of us part 1-2", i can do nothing but agree
We are not thinking machines that feel but rather feeling machines that think. - Antonio Dimasio
Scratch a victim, and you’ll find a victimizer.
Youjo senki has one of the best dubs I’ve watched in a long time
Another Dub that is pretty damn good is Overlord. Man Overlord Dub is just as good as the English Sub
Overload S4 coming soon 🌝
I prefer the sub but the sub is really good
@@mugiwaraboyaa9406 I'm looking forward to that. Also, Tanya is correct but also somewhat wrong. My response to her would be this "There's a reason why humans are born with a frontal lobe that manages our emotions and logical thinking" I mean some people in the comments are pretty damn edgy. Scientific Reason or well Human Anatomy and biology aside...The frontal lobe of the brain Is responsible for Planning Organization Logical thinking reasoning and managing emotions so when you think about how everyone has the frontal lobe it only makes sense that we are all similar and prioritize emotions and sometimes we Prioritize logic a simple example would be this... If 2 Cruisers at sea were sinking one had 100 people and the other had 200 but you could only save one the logical answer is to save the 200 people... Now the emotional side of the scenario... If two cruisers out at sea are sinking one has 200 people and one has 100 people but your family happens to be on the boat full of 100, of course, we would go with the emotional response and save the 100 instead of the cruiser with 200. So Tanya is Wrong and Right at the same time Imo. Logic and reason are both hardwired into us so we aren't just animals who don't care for logic or reason we have it but are sometimes put into scenarios where we prioritize one or the other.
"Humans prefer emotions over logic"
Well, yeah, that's what makes us humans, doesn't it?
I don't want discussions, I don't even know what is this from, it just popped up in my recommended
"Humans prefer emotions over logic."
I do know that does make a human. And that will be their downfall. Too many times, even in my own life, emotions just get in the way. I've had one episode myself years ago when I could have hurt someone, or even worse, over anger. I never want to return to that state I was in. To this day I now have mastery over my emotions and keep them at bay. Logic and higher powers now govern my life's choices.
I have recently read this in manhwa which I was reading, it went something like this " what if we humans were able to read minds of of other.......then we cannot lie to someone? Or we will be not able to hide anything from others? Or we would be not able to fool someone??........the answer is simple we will have control over our thoughts" and this went really deep ..........now I started meditation 🙏
@@mugiwaraboyaa9406 And because of that in that world, mages would be at their best, did I get it right?
Youjo Senki; or Saga of Tanya the Evil, great series
So You are man of culture as well huh
Emotions are what drives us while logic and rationality is what restraint’s us from going too far.
This speech is so good. plus the scene makes it just that much better.
For some reason, this resonates especially strongly this year in the global scheme.
"People who prefer feelings are called fools, but when everyone goes with facts, the world would grow to be selfish.
It's always the right way to do things, but when feelings are a priority, the relationships around the world are strong."
-Twitter man.
Cruelty is a gift humanity gave to itself.
I'm pretty well convinced that this is a major reason why young humanity survived long enough to thrive. A lot of our behaviors that are irrational now would have served a major purpose back during our tribal origins.
It is irrational to go on a rampage when suffering loss. But when a lion kills your children, then you go on a lifelong crusade to kill as many lions as possible? That's a sacrifice of one individual to create an evolutionary pressure on an apex predator. We can see the effects now. The vast majority of large predators could absolutely kill a human, but yet are terrified of us.
There is a reason that hamurabe's code was revolutionary; "an eye for an eye" is a whole lot less destructive than "your entire family slaughtered for an eye".
So that means that the root of the problem is the dissonance between the genetic code behind instinct and civilization?
Yes, the dissonace of our instinct with our current civilization is what currently cause our problem, like Tribalism, racism, so on and so fort
She spiting straight facts
Anger gives motivation without purpose - Master Yi
She learned it from the person she fired in her past life.
"When a human being's overcome with hatred, they'll keep fighting without concern for self-interest or reason regardless of what they might stand to gain or lose."
Sums up literally every middle/high school fight ever lmao
Ça résume tout aussi bien les guerres, qu'elles soient d'ordre politiques, commerciales ou religieuses. Ce sont avant tout des guerres d'égo.