I think it’s very sweet that in Dunmer weddings you gain an ancestral connection to your spouse’s family. It’s an extremely welcoming thing from a culture that isn’t viewed as being very warm and accepting
Fun fact: that kind of spiritual connection has been a thing in human history, mainly in ancient Greece and Rome and some of those traditions (such as the husband carrying his bride over the threshold of his house; the idea was he was carrying her to his family's shrine so she can bond with his ancestors) somewhat persist to this day
I'm imagining a non elf getting married and then having a racist great-great grandfather always being around and hating everything you do, call you An n'wah with a hard n
The Riften marriage feels like an IRL courtroom marriage where the two involved just want to get it in legal writing and be done with it as fast as possible.
Definitely. It feels as secular as you can get in a society with a legally recognized religion and keeps cultural traditions to a minimum, with only a few family and friends, no more than can fit on a few pews. All of that I think is a shame, but it makes sense as it would be a pain to program in all of the different cultural weddings. Still, I hope there is a mod that gives a proper marriage overhaul
That's exactly why I was gonna say I'd prefer a Nordic wedding! Basically exactly what my wife and I had - someone said some pretty words, we said "I do", and bam! married
Actually quite like the Nord version, you wear an amulet and show that you're available, if someone likes you they can speak to you and you either say yay or nay. The entire are they single/do they like me state that takes a lot of time and is tbh exhausting can be eliminated and I like that a lot.
ngl, the Orc marriage/courtship ritual sounds really sweet; I mean, if I was an orc lass, I would be infatuated with someone if they recited a violent love poem and got me pristine wines and cheeses.
Shor son of Shor pretty much confirms that War-Wife/Bed-Wife are indeed titles for a wife. Basing it on the real life Norse culture, it wouldn't be strange for the Nords or at least early Nords/Atmorans to have multiple wives and or concubines.
I suspect that orcs are strict because most of the tribe would be siblings, right? Sounds like a sensible way to prevent incest and the unfortunate consequences of it being born unwell. The whole violence and romance thing sounds a bit like some Pacific Islander traditions. It's not that weird. Guess my POV is just different being Indigenous myself. 🤷🏾
@@Turtletoise Not sure what your goal was here but that was really foolish and you should probably go outdoors and make some friends. You seem like a sad little person. Good luck.
6:35 I wonder if the change from mountainous outdoor weddings changed to inside a temple because of dragons... game play wise at least. I can see it now, you're in the middle of getting married to your spouse and a random dragon comes in and starts killing everyone. Ceremony ends and the accumulated damage takes out you, you spouse, or both~
I remember in Skyrim wh3n I married a female orc who didn't want to be married off, we got married, and she commented that Nordic weddings was less bloody than she thought or something. Even though I am an Argonian
I mean you are in Skyrim, honestly marrying in the way the locals do for 2 foreign races makes a lot of sense, though they should've added an orc wedding if you marry the orc given their tribes are around skyrim
A lot of interesting practices. I wonder in cases between the different races and cultures, the frequency that certain traditions take precedence over others.
Depends on the individuals I'd imagine, like a dunmer who isn't exceptionally fond of their culture and has moved to elsweyr likely would rather do the khajit things
That, or potentially defaulting to the imperial way as their culture is so widespread that it'd be a good sort of secular pick for the likely secular couple of different races
Better than daedra wedding ceremonies. Also I recommend tsimshian stories for songs of love and violence. That's what I got from orsimeri marriage for the wandering orcs
it's not as violent as i would've liked, but i tried my hand at an orc courting poem! great maid of malacath, fair kin to sworn oath, the path of my sword carves your name. in vein-painted armor i bow down before you, offering the fruits of my strength to the same. i hunted great beasts, from plain, wood, and fen, and fierce were our contests of might. yet swift as i slew them, i craved for the thrill of your blade by my own in the fight. no sabrecat's fang could rival your tusks, no troll's blows could outmatch your swing. and when draws your axe the chaurus heart's-blood, ne'er does your tough skin suffer its sting. i bow now before you with trophies of battle, but this warrior could have no greater pride, if, great maid of malacath, fair kin to sworn oath, you'd hunt with me, be the axe by my side.
Out of curiosity, are there any notable resources for finding out about the War Machines and Siege Engines of Tamriel? I mean, A Ballista is a Ballista is a Ballista, but what are those siege bridge things from the 3 Fates Cinematic? Do the Argonians use anything unique like the Choking swamp gas that keeps Central Black Marsh inaccessible?
1:50 Min.: I wouldnt call Dibella goddess of love. She is more the goddess of lust. Lust and love arent the same. What mara brings is love. Its the faithful true love and the contection between to humans and mer that love eatch outher form the bottom of there souls. Dibellas version of love is just physical attraction so basicly only LUST NOT love.
Is it just me or can anyone else see a situation where maphala decides to be the patron goddess of a wedding cuz I can definitely see here doing something like that only if it’s the wedding of someone important or who has helped her in a big way like the Nerivar or the last Dragon born who helped her get her blade back.
In ESO Valinka Stoneheaver (a Miner Hireling) says: "In order to settle a debt my foolish brothers have accumulated in my absence, they decided to marry me to old Thorgrim Wartnose. They think to sell me as so much cattle? Well, think again! And Olgath gave the amulet of Mara to me! My brother! It wasn't even presented properly-not that it matters, anyway." So the "Amulet thing" is not that modern in Skyrim. Maybe they had other traditions, but since the second era they were pretty much "imperialized". And, also, it seems the amulet is used like a wedding ring, idk... Anyways, thanks for this video (and all of your videos). I'm trying to make an rpg campaign based in Elder Scrolls, and you are my unofficial lore master ;)
The Dunmar practices sound similar to the practices of how I inherit the religious practices and customs of my family, particularly through ones ancestors. Santeria runs deep on my mother side, so certain traits from ones grandparents and great-grandparents can skip a generation or two and show up in the grandkids or great-grandkids... I think that would be similar to how the Dark Elves and half-race children would be as well... not just weaken but can and would skip altogether from one generation and show up the abilities in the next or two. I know I get visions through dreams and day-dreams. Anyways I would properly be very familiar to their customs more so than the other races in Tameriel. The Orcs remind me so much of Klingon fraction in Star Trek. Both being war-like.
With you mentioning the Ptolemy dynasty now I’m wondering if you’d do a video analysis on incest in elder scrolls, for example I read somewhere that the high elves engage in incest to maintain purity and that’s why their population is so small
There's Claddagh rings. You can look up more on them, but they are from Ireland and there's a whole system depending on which hand you wear them and which way is facing out that to denote if you are either single, dating, engaged, or married. Not saying that others would always recognize it, but I always thought it was a neat idea!
interesting reference to the Ptolemy family tree, I mean some people have an actual family tree, in contrast the Ptolemy's had a plank instead.....bit like the lannisters in G.O.T.
There isn’t any connection between the Last Dragonborn and Shor. It is a theory spread around as fact by people who do too little research. Shor is in Sovmgarde while the Last Dragonborn is there. The Heroes of Sovngarde outright say that his throne seems empty due to mortals not be able to look upon him properly. Tsun does not know the Last Dragonborn and will explicitly state that Shor does not know them if they introduce themselves as Listener or Nightingale. Tsun will even state that the Last Dragonborn’s soul belongs to Nocturnal if they are a Nightingale, the idea that Akatosh even has a claim, let alone the strongest claim is false and you can even meet other Dragonborns in Sovngarde, further proving Alatosh has no claim. Tsun is a Nordic God like Shor and Alduin, as well as being Shor’s Shield-Thane. The Ghost of Old Hroldan mistakes the Last Dragonborn for Hjalti/Tiber because both have dragon souls and dragon blood.
@@Distortion23Which Dragonborn can you meet? I don't remember any, as Ysgramor and Jurgen Windcaller weren't Dragonborns. The rest are great heroes but none Dragonborn.
@@ikad5229 "Hail, Dragonborn. That honor is also mine - to our shared birthright you'll bring new glory!" It's random but that is the quote they will use.
@@Distortion23 Oh, so this can be said by anyone? That's interesting. At first I thought you were refering to Ysgramor, and that would make my blood boil. As, If I'm not mistaken, there can't be Dragonborns before Alessia.
@@ikad5229 Dragonborns existed long before Alessia. Miraak was the first and there were supposedly other Dragonborns that focused on killing dragons. Alessia was just the first Dragonborn Empress.
Apparently my personal beliefs match that of Mara's teaching. I to believe that souls are genderless. So the only time gender even matters is if the couple wish to procreate the more "old fashion way"
Actually Nordic tradition doesnt even need officialized marriage. In Oblivion you can meet a Nordic couple who laugh at the Imperials for officializing marriages, saying that they "married" the traditional Nordic way, as in they just got together without any rituals or anything. Also, in traditional Nordic religion, Shor had two wives at once, which suggests that polygamy is/ was allowed to some degree.
Based nords, i say. My wife and i also married that way, we just decided one day to call each other wife because it feels accurate to what our relationship looks like. Ceremony is cool and all that but we are of the belief only the parties involved have a say on what their relationship is, not the church nor government nor family&friends. Makes one wonder though, why is the easily breakable wedding a necessary thing in skyrim? Could just make it optional if you wanna marry in the game. Also, why does the game force you to be monogamous without mods then? Ugh.
Good question. There doesnt seem to be an exact lore explanation because on one hand, the chief is the ultimate authority so if he/she wanted it, nobody could stop them. But on the other hand the chief is the only one allowed to have partners and children and thus the strongholds new population depends on him/her. So that complicates things a bit, but im sure there could be workarounds for that, i just dont know how well they would fit in orc culture
...A lot of marriages and relationships in Tamriel sound... both very realistic with their cultural baggage, and kind of annoying bc of it.... Oof. I love it though. Wish there was more polygamy though, ngl. Oh well. 'realism' and all that. Though Orc culture sounds... oof.
2:19 I don't know where you saw that commoners in medieval times irl married for love instead of profit and perpetuating their family XD 15:59 Or so they believe.
Due to a cold I felt like a wet towel while recording it so sorry if the recording is off.
feel better bro - love your vids
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Sounds fine. Feel better.
It sounds great my friend. Hope you feel better soon
@@dukecesareborgiaofvalencia it is quite frustrating yes
I think it’s very sweet that in Dunmer weddings you gain an ancestral connection to your spouse’s family. It’s an extremely welcoming thing from a culture that isn’t viewed as being very warm and accepting
Yeah, they are actually very caring about their kin.
Fun fact: that kind of spiritual connection has been a thing in human history, mainly in ancient Greece and Rome and some of those traditions (such as the husband carrying his bride over the threshold of his house; the idea was he was carrying her to his family's shrine so she can bond with his ancestors) somewhat persist to this day
I'm imagining a non elf getting married and then having a racist great-great grandfather always being around and hating everything you do, call you An n'wah with a hard n
The Riften marriage feels like an IRL courtroom marriage where the two involved just want to get it in legal writing and be done with it as fast as possible.
Definitely. It feels as secular as you can get in a society with a legally recognized religion and keeps cultural traditions to a minimum, with only a few family and friends, no more than can fit on a few pews. All of that I think is a shame, but it makes sense as it would be a pain to program in all of the different cultural weddings. Still, I hope there is a mod that gives a proper marriage overhaul
That's exactly why I was gonna say I'd prefer a Nordic wedding! Basically exactly what my wife and I had - someone said some pretty words, we said "I do", and bam! married
_"Forge wife!: the rippling of your muscles as you work the forge is pleasing."_
Absolute rizz-master _💯💯💯🙏🙏🙏_
The imperial custom with the family tree pillow is the one I would like the most, but the orc one is definitely the most unique.
*clank* 🥄 ;-)
Actually quite like the Nord version, you wear an amulet and show that you're available, if someone likes you they can speak to you and you either say yay or nay. The entire are they single/do they like me state that takes a lot of time and is tbh exhausting can be eliminated and I like that a lot.
And thats how you end up with Octieve San asking for you hand in marriage lol
ngl, the Orc marriage/courtship ritual sounds really sweet; I mean, if I was an orc lass, I would be infatuated with someone if they recited a violent love poem and got me pristine wines and cheeses.
Do not ask the bosmer what they do when their spouse dies
7:30 in the Redguard comic iszara (Cyrus’s sister) married a forebear
Shor son of Shor pretty much confirms that War-Wife/Bed-Wife are indeed titles for a wife. Basing it on the real life Norse culture, it wouldn't be strange for the Nords or at least early Nords/Atmorans to have multiple wives and or concubines.
dunmer women got me like: WAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Another excellent video, fitting for this Valentines month! Glad I was of help, friend!
Wait, why has no one thanked you yet? Researchers need their confidence boost!
So thank you, you nerdy scaly!
@@olpash I thank you humbly for your kind words, _fahdon_
I suspect that orcs are strict because most of the tribe would be siblings, right? Sounds like a sensible way to prevent incest and the unfortunate consequences of it being born unwell.
The whole violence and romance thing sounds a bit like some Pacific Islander traditions. It's not that weird. Guess my POV is just different being Indigenous myself. 🤷🏾
Lol imagine not bein wyte
@@Turtletoise Not sure what your goal was here but that was really foolish and you should probably go outdoors and make some friends. You seem like a sad little person. Good luck.
@@Turtletoise didn’t know it was possible
Amor Apache we call it in mexico 😂😜
@@Turtletoisei couldnt imagine being pasty & fearful of the sun lol i thank all the gods i was born with Melanin in my flesh
6:35
I wonder if the change from mountainous outdoor weddings changed to inside a temple because of dragons... game play wise at least. I can see it now, you're in the middle of getting married to your spouse and a random dragon comes in and starts killing everyone. Ceremony ends and the accumulated damage takes out you, you spouse, or both~
I always appreciate the depth and detail of your lore videos! Great work again and thanks to both of you!
This is fantastically informative. While I was hoping for some Bosmer traditions, the whole thing is fascinating.
I remember in Skyrim wh3n I married a female orc who didn't want to be married off, we got married, and she commented that Nordic weddings was less bloody than she thought or something. Even though I am an Argonian
Yes? Your race wouldn't change the fact you're having a traditionally Nordic wedding.
I mean you are in Skyrim, honestly marrying in the way the locals do for 2 foreign races makes a lot of sense, though they should've added an orc wedding if you marry the orc given their tribes are around skyrim
@@Jiub_SN Finally a use for all those cheese wheels!
A lot of interesting practices.
I wonder in cases between the different races and cultures, the frequency that certain traditions take precedence over others.
Depends on the individuals I'd imagine, like a dunmer who isn't exceptionally fond of their culture and has moved to elsweyr likely would rather do the khajit things
That, or potentially defaulting to the imperial way as their culture is so widespread that it'd be a good sort of secular pick for the likely secular couple of different races
Some IRL interracial/interfaith couples have two weddings, so as to pay homage to both traditions.
For the Orcs, does the woman throw things while the suitor recites the poetry?
Better than daedra wedding ceremonies. Also I recommend tsimshian stories for songs of love and violence. That's what I got from orsimeri marriage for the wandering orcs
Get to feeling better. Great video and I think I would choose Nord, the mountaintop view would be a great way to start.
I would like a traditional Nord wedding. Outside, sun shining, in the shadow of the throat of the world.
it's not as violent as i would've liked, but i tried my hand at an orc courting poem!
great maid of malacath, fair kin to sworn oath,
the path of my sword carves your name.
in vein-painted armor i bow down before you,
offering the fruits of my strength to the same.
i hunted great beasts, from plain, wood, and fen,
and fierce were our contests of might.
yet swift as i slew them, i craved for the thrill
of your blade by my own in the fight.
no sabrecat's fang could rival your tusks,
no troll's blows could outmatch your swing.
and when draws your axe the chaurus heart's-blood,
ne'er does your tough skin suffer its sting.
i bow now before you with trophies of battle,
but this warrior could have no greater pride,
if, great maid of malacath, fair kin to sworn oath,
you'd hunt with me, be the axe by my side.
that is actually so cute 10/10 would marry if i was an orc maid
I would really like to hear an Orc poem
If you are an orc, you gotta pay the cheese tax if you wish to woo a lady. 😂
Out of curiosity, are there any notable resources for finding out about the War Machines and Siege Engines of Tamriel? I mean, A Ballista is a Ballista is a Ballista, but what are those siege bridge things from the 3 Fates Cinematic? Do the Argonians use anything unique like the Choking swamp gas that keeps Central Black Marsh inaccessible?
Immaculate timing, as always ❤️
1:50 Min.: I wouldnt call Dibella goddess of love. She is more the goddess of lust. Lust and love arent the same. What mara brings is love. Its the faithful true love and the contection between to humans and mer that love eatch outher form the bottom of there souls. Dibellas version of love is just physical attraction so basicly only LUST NOT love.
It is concerningly common for people to mistake lust for love in general.
Is it just me or can anyone else see a situation where maphala decides to be the patron goddess of a wedding cuz I can definitely see here doing something like that only if it’s the wedding of someone important or who has helped her in a big way like the Nerivar or the last Dragon born who helped her get her blade back.
Of course Mephala and Boetiah could have a lot to do with marriages! have you never thought of divorce lawyers?
In a fantasy setting I would love to cherry pick how my life would be, but overall a Nord tradition sounds amazing and somewhat familiar.
My favorite is the stronghold orcs just for the Image of them eating cheese and then saying a poem they wrote 😂
there's an Orc Clan in the Wrothgar Region of ESO led by a Female Orc Chief actully
2:39 You can't call it a tree if it's just a straight line lol
tha war wife thing could be married on the battlefield too
My ring is famous lol
In ESO Valinka Stoneheaver (a Miner Hireling) says: "In order to settle a debt my foolish brothers have accumulated in my absence, they decided to marry me to old Thorgrim Wartnose. They think to sell me as so much cattle? Well, think again! And Olgath gave the amulet of Mara to me! My brother! It wasn't even presented properly-not that it matters, anyway."
So the "Amulet thing" is not that modern in Skyrim. Maybe they had other traditions, but since the second era they were pretty much "imperialized".
And, also, it seems the amulet is used like a wedding ring, idk...
Anyways, thanks for this video (and all of your videos). I'm trying to make an rpg campaign based in Elder Scrolls, and you are my unofficial lore master ;)
The Dunmar practices sound similar to the practices of how I inherit the religious practices and customs of my family, particularly through ones ancestors. Santeria runs deep on my mother side, so certain traits from ones grandparents and great-grandparents can skip a generation or two and show up in the grandkids or great-grandkids... I think that would be similar to how the Dark Elves and half-race children would be as well... not just weaken but can and would skip altogether from one generation and show up the abilities in the next or two. I know I get visions through dreams and day-dreams. Anyways I would properly be very familiar to their customs more so than the other races in Tameriel.
The Orcs remind me so much of Klingon fraction in Star Trek. Both being war-like.
With you mentioning the Ptolemy dynasty now I’m wondering if you’d do a video analysis on incest in elder scrolls, for example I read somewhere that the high elves engage in incest to maintain purity and that’s why their population is so small
Sometimes I wish we had something you could wear in puplic to show you are single and looking for a partner that would make it easier to find someone.
There's Claddagh rings. You can look up more on them, but they are from Ireland and there's a whole system depending on which hand you wear them and which way is facing out that to denote if you are either single, dating, engaged, or married. Not saying that others would always recognize it, but I always thought it was a neat idea!
interesting reference to the Ptolemy family tree, I mean some people have an actual family tree, in contrast the Ptolemy's had a plank instead.....bit like the lannisters in G.O.T.
I would either marry a Dummer, Altmer, or a Khajiit. Maybe an Argonian....
There is a female orc in western Skyrim in eso actually
Can you make a video on Shor, I'm always confused by the relationship between shor, lorkhan, and the last dragonborn
There isn’t any connection between the Last Dragonborn and Shor. It is a theory spread around as fact by people who do too little research.
Shor is in Sovmgarde while the Last Dragonborn is there. The Heroes of Sovngarde outright say that his throne seems empty due to mortals not be able to look upon him properly.
Tsun does not know the Last Dragonborn and will explicitly state that Shor does not know them if they introduce themselves as Listener or Nightingale. Tsun will even state that the Last Dragonborn’s soul belongs to Nocturnal if they are a Nightingale, the idea that Akatosh even has a claim, let alone the strongest claim is false and you can even meet other Dragonborns in Sovngarde, further proving Alatosh has no claim. Tsun is a Nordic God like Shor and Alduin, as well as being Shor’s Shield-Thane.
The Ghost of Old Hroldan mistakes the Last Dragonborn for Hjalti/Tiber because both have dragon souls and dragon blood.
@@Distortion23Which Dragonborn can you meet? I don't remember any, as Ysgramor and Jurgen Windcaller weren't Dragonborns. The rest are great heroes but none Dragonborn.
@@ikad5229 "Hail, Dragonborn. That honor is also mine - to our shared birthright you'll bring new glory!"
It's random but that is the quote they will use.
@@Distortion23 Oh, so this can be said by anyone? That's interesting. At first I thought you were refering to Ysgramor, and that would make my blood boil. As, If I'm not mistaken, there can't be Dragonborns before Alessia.
@@ikad5229 Dragonborns existed long before Alessia. Miraak was the first and there were supposedly other Dragonborns that focused on killing dragons. Alessia was just the first Dragonborn Empress.
Cool video
Could you make a video on Mannimarco cause I love his character and I don’t think you made a video on him?
Guar ! 🥰😍
I love that most races make a big event of their marriage while Nords are out here just doing the ol' Mell Brooks "Married In A Hurry" bit.
Gigachad Nords, just put on your necklace and talk to that hot warrior and you're done
What is the love that single people?Is the one with family
Hear me out, lesbian Orc commune where all the girls are married to each other and spend all day fighting, making cheese, and reciting bad poetry.
Someone's got a fetish
Isn’t Mara the concubine of shor? Whose wife is/was Kyne?
Definitely the one where you get to be in a lesbian polygamist relationship
Apparently my personal beliefs match that of Mara's teaching. I to believe that souls are genderless. So the only time gender even matters is if the couple wish to procreate the more "old fashion way"
My soul DEF has a gender
Optimus prime is my soul gender
I like the idea that souls are genderless.
My soul takes the form of an angry goblin, I think
@@kanbinadaydream6486 probably
I wont even get married in this game
Actually Nordic tradition doesnt even need officialized marriage. In Oblivion you can meet a Nordic couple who laugh at the Imperials for officializing marriages, saying that they "married" the traditional Nordic way, as in they just got together without any rituals or anything. Also, in traditional Nordic religion, Shor had two wives at once, which suggests that polygamy is/ was allowed to some degree.
Based nords, i say. My wife and i also married that way, we just decided one day to call each other wife because it feels accurate to what our relationship looks like. Ceremony is cool and all that but we are of the belief only the parties involved have a say on what their relationship is, not the church nor government nor family&friends.
Makes one wonder though, why is the easily breakable wedding a necessary thing in skyrim? Could just make it optional if you wanna marry in the game. Also, why does the game force you to be monogamous without mods then? Ugh.
💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙
That's not what war wife means.
a human male, marring an elf, based.
Fucking gross!
@@Turtletoise what? are you racist? you damned N'wah!
even more based if its a dark elf
@@feenickstv4209 my N'wah!
@@rodricksage5963 a certified n'wah classic
What would happen if a male Orc cheften (sorry I'm bad at spelling) wanted to marry another male Orc/Orcs instead of a female Orc/Orcs?
Good question. There doesnt seem to be an exact lore explanation because on one hand, the chief is the ultimate authority so if he/she wanted it, nobody could stop them. But on the other hand the chief is the only one allowed to have partners and children and thus the strongholds new population depends on him/her. So that complicates things a bit, but im sure there could be workarounds for that, i just dont know how well they would fit in orc culture
@@ImperialKnowledge oki
Thanks for responding
Kinda sad for the high elves everything is arranged over years or decades and equaled a loveless marriage.
...A lot of marriages and relationships in Tamriel sound... both very realistic with their cultural baggage, and kind of annoying bc of it.... Oof. I love it though. Wish there was more polygamy though, ngl. Oh well. 'realism' and all that. Though Orc culture sounds... oof.
I think you missed half the races.
2:19 I don't know where you saw that commoners in medieval times irl married for love instead of profit and perpetuating their family XD
15:59 Or so they believe.
Ironically, Boethiah and Mephala are themselves a couple, in fact, they're the only couple among the known Daedric Princes.
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I will not accept to marry under any custom other than orcish.
Real Sigmas favour the Altmer beliefs on marriage
Inbred knife ears lmfao
@@Tom_Cruise_Missile
Blessed by Mara💛
@@BronzetheGolden Blessed by an abundance of chromosomes more like
@@Tom_Cruise_Missileblessed by a strong chin*
Say it in a way they will understand, don't sound too smart or poor altmer will be confused