Shogun 1x6 "Ladies of the Willow World" REACTION
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- Опубликовано: 1 апр 2024
- Shogun season 1 episode 6 Ladies of the Willow World gave us an even deeper look at the culture of 16th century Japan.
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The way they do the translation in this episode is fantastic. Kiku putting Mariko between her and John was so romantic. I can't think of a better word for it.
This series is beautiful to watch, but its true beauty lies in the small details, they are the ones that expose the intentions and desires of the characters. It is complex, evocative, delicate and brutal at the same time. I can see you enjoy every little piece of the story as much as I do.
Another complex and revealing episode. I thought Kiku is not what Western cultures typically label as a prostitute. She clearly has elevated what she does to being an art. She has trained for years to become more than a woman that men simply go to for sex. Kiku explaining to Anjin through Mariko was brilliant on at least several levels.
I think Kiku's comments were great. The one about a woman noticing another woman's pain was a clear "I see you" to Marako. The one to her apprentice about noticing the place the pot had been, where it had been moved to, and how that changed everything was her deciding too move around and put herself out of Anjin's line of sight. She is very perceptive. Equal parts therapist and sex surrogate.
hence, sex therapy
the shogun book goes into more detail about the symbolism of cup rotation and placement during the negotiations between mariko and the mama-san.
Another amazing reaction Imon ❤❤😁😁.
Okay, your Shogun reactions always have me wanting to wax philosophical lol. I will resist that urge, though I found your description of the episode to be very poetic.
I have to admit I was originally disappointed at how much this version downplayed the love story between Mariko and Blackthorn. Much of what makes her a great character comes from that and the internal conflicts she has to face. I've decided that in adapting it's much easier to externalize the conflict and make it more between the two, so I understand the choice. That said, watching reactions, and yours in particular to the hand brush, I'm able to really appreciate it for it's own work of art. They are still managing to convey the love.
Okay one brain worm lol. Do you think the lack of prohibition of sex might have something to do with paper thin walls and a population that lives so crowded? Sorry I couldn't resist lol
The words your looking for to describe the women of this episode I would call "feminine strength". These women are all masters in their role. All of them are fearsome without needing to act like men.
(Context, I'd read the book about 20 years ago, and also saw the original 1980s TV series. I'm also Brit living in Japan).
I've seen all 7 current episodes in this series. I have to say, episode 6 is still my favourite. The Mariko/John/Kiku scene was very well filmed and portrayed by the actors. In comparison, the 80s version is pretty cheesy.
When I think about it, the 80s version pretty much focussed on the Blackthorne/Mariko romance, in a 80s cheesy way. A lot of the political intrigue side of things was pretty much taken out. This version, whilst some episodes may lean one way or another, has much more balance between the two. The book certainly wasn't some kind of romance story between Blackthorne and Mariko, it was just an element of the larger story.
Speaking from a (heterosexual) male perspective, yeah, the situation regarding prostitution in Japan (historically and in current times) certainly has its differences when compared to "the west".
A lot of the "dirtiness/shame" perspective felt by many in the west probably derives from Christian values that are now cultural ideals. Japan, not being a historically Christian country would not have add that aspect.
That said, despite some of the differences in attitudes and what "services" there are may vary between the cultures, there's still plenty of similarities. I mean, the abuse, the pain, crime, addiction, basically, the "bad side" exists in Japan too. Conversely, the "good" or "not bad" sides can potentially exist as well.
I think Torunaga’s intention of sending John to the tea house wasn’t about him…decompressing; it was putting him and Mariko in an environment where they could either have sex (Torunaga senses the tension, but probably doesn’t know they’ve had sex yet) or put the idea of a relationship to bed by having Mariko see the person she wants to be with having sex with another could really take the wind out of her sails. That’s my read on it
Lol no, you completely missed the point
@@wooshbait36 elucidate please
@@deanthemachine7489 Kiku is working for Toranaga. That's why he told Mariko to go to the brothel with John so Kiku can get a read on Mariko. When Kiku said something about a woman cannot ignore another woman suffering, she was hinting at Mariko that she knows about Mariko and John.
@@wooshbait36 *everybody* knows about Mariko and John already. It’s an open secret. Kiku isn’t working for Torunaga and it would be an incredibly sloppy plan to hire her to “read” if Mariko and John are fucking when Torunaga clearly knows already. Kiku has already been shown to be advising Omi to make choices to elevate his position (which led to him to seed Nagakado’s brain with the idea of using the cannons against Jozen)
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I wouldn't speak too generally about how sex work is viewed across the world. There are a lot of different cultures and a lot of different attitudes toward sex. Even in Japan, there is a distinction between high class sex workers and poor farm girls that get sold into sex slavery to pay off debts.
Overseas users probably won't understand. Why did Toranaga offer Anjin a high-class prostitute? Because Toranaga noticed the atmosphere between Anjin and Mariko. For the samurai class, adultery was punishable by death. Toranaga warned Mariko, who was attracted to foreigners, that "men are the same in every country." If the two became lovers, Mariko's husband would become a laughing stock in society, and Mariko would be branded as a promiscuous woman despite her aristocratic status. And Anjin would lose even more trust from the samurai because of the prejudice that he is a barbaric foreigner with no morals. Toranaga wants to prevent all of this.