In the scenes with Mama present-day, sitting in her chair in the living room in front of the TV, look to the tray/table next to her. There are 2 books about “Bonsai Trees”. This is interesting because in S4E1, Dr. Brenner is doing his crossword puzzle with a timer and he clips a little piece off of his Bonsai tree. I don’t know the meaning but that’s gotta connect somehow.
I can't remember if it's in "Mama is Alica Creel Part 2" or if it's in the "How Alice Creel Survived" theory, but I put it in one of those lol. Trust me as soon as I saw that Bonsai Tree in S4, I knew exactly where I had seen that before lol.
I'm doubtful of your theory on this one. I do however think that when it comes to the final battle with 11, Max and Will are battling Vekna and whatever else is in the upsidedown, there's going to unfold a series of events that leads to some sort of plot twist that will result in something happening with 11. Maybe she dies, maybe she defeats Vekna and stays in the upsidedown closing all the portals...or maybe she works with Linda Hamilton's character and/or the government to keep this from ever happening again? Not sure but I believe that those are all the possibilities that fit with the filming that I've seen. And I've seen quite a lot of it.
I've always been SUS about Alice, especially after the Aunt shows El/Jane her childhood bedroom and there is a picture of the White Rabbit from Alice in Wonderland on her wall... just a sneak peak of what Part 2 will be like!
@@aspen9975 Check out my "How Alice Creel Survived Theory" that one connects to this, but directly talks about Alice and the Creel House Massacre. I go in depth about everything closer in that one. Much love fam!
Nope! It's revealed in the first shadow, that eleven and others have powers because they were injected with the blood of 001! Also, Terry is older than 001. And Terry and Becky are real sisters.
I won't be including anything that happens in the First Shadow, reason being, it takes away from the point of making theories and trying to figure out Season 5 before it happens. However, since you brought up the First Shadow, I do know the entire story and have read and watched a lot on it, including an interview by the Duffer Brothers. They have confirmed in an interview, that only BITS AND PIECES of the First Shadow may be true, and that Henry, also Victor his father from Stranger Things, are both NOT CREDIBLE narrators or story tellers. Hearing that means almost anything may or may not be true with that story, so we'll see lol. Much love and trust me this isn't the only theory I have involving Mama, the next one is wilder.
@@StrangerThings_YT we don't that's the thing. She comes off like she is, but if you rewatch the scenes with Mama's flashbacks, in the different episodes they show those scenes. They show a little bit more of the Aunt each time. In one scene Mama is yelling at her saying she heard her crying and she starts freaking, then the doctors rush in, when they sedate her, in 1 scene it actually looks like the Aunt is the one who sedated her with something. I have a theory coming soon about Miss Aunt Becky
@@Frainbowarriorit’s been confirmed by the Duffer Brothers that The First Shadow is canon. Edited to add- that doesn’t mean there aren’t things that are purposefully misleading
that is the craziest theory ive ever heard! But Alice died in season 4. i doubt she survived. if so, how? Maybe hawkins lab brought her back? or a hospital had something to do with it...i dont know. i dont think mama is alice because alice died. She looks like her but i doubt it. im pretty sure alice died and did not survive. i couldnt see a way. also if eleven wasnt born yet she couldnt have been there to revive her.
It's a crazy theory I know lol. The amount of connections and references are insane. I definitely want to get back into this theory no doubt. I have a lot more I haven't gotten to yet lol, A LOT MORE! This actually gave me an idea lol!!! Shout out is in order!!!
Good stuff dude. Have you read Suspicious Minds by Gwenda Bond? Idk if the books are cannon BUT it explains a lot about momma before Eleven was even born. Check it out. I can explain more if yall would like.
Haven't read it yet no, but DEFINITELY checking it out soon no doubt! Appreciate it brotha for real! More on Mama coming soon with a Part 3. Part 2 dropped last night! Much love and stay tuned!
@DLA_AlternativePodcast No worries bro. I've got it. Eddie's back story book "Icarus" and the latest I dont recall the name but its more Ele and Hop at some point. I'll def subscribe for the next episode. Thanks dude!
That's why it's a FAR FAR throw of a theory but like I said just a theory. Much love for the feedback for real, I need it for real. I want to develop the theories together as I grow this channel, so for real much love and keep the thoughts rolling!
That's the only thing i don't love about this theory.. wouldn't it be a bigger shock if Vecna was Eleven's father? Seems odd to me if he were to end up being his uncle. It's kind of weird.. although this theory makes a lot of sense :)
@@martiinapodesta No doubt would definitely be HUGE if he was the Father as well. Either way in my opinion would be wild lol. However there possibly is a little hint to the Uncle term involving the Creel Family. When they move in and Victor is telling the story, he explains that Virginia's great great Uncle left the money to them and they bought the house. Ever since I started this theory, I can't get my mind off the fact that that could have possibly been a hint that a relationship will be used with an Uncle/Niece. It's the ONLY time that we hear the term Uncle in the show whatsoever and it's directly connected to the Creel Family. So if all plays out with this theory, no doubt in my mind that was the hint, but we'll see for sure lol! Much love fam!
Like I said it's only a theory lol, BUT we do know Hawkin's is extremely sneaky and good at covering things up. If Brenner and Mama had any involvement together, no doubt in my mind there is stuff we don't know yet. Who really knows lol, I have another theory involving Mama as well, being someone else, so when I drop that we'll see what people think is more of a possibility, stay tuned and much love!
In the scenes with Mama present-day, sitting in her chair in the living room in front of the TV, look to the tray/table next to her.
There are 2 books about “Bonsai Trees”. This is interesting because in S4E1, Dr. Brenner is doing his crossword puzzle with a timer and he clips a little piece off of his Bonsai tree.
I don’t know the meaning but that’s gotta connect somehow.
I can't remember if it's in "Mama is Alica Creel Part 2" or if it's in the "How Alice Creel Survived" theory, but I put it in one of those lol. Trust me as soon as I saw that Bonsai Tree in S4, I knew exactly where I had seen that before lol.
@ Oh perfect! I’m going to watch that one now. Thank you so much!
I'm doubtful of your theory on this one. I do however think that when it comes to the final battle with 11, Max and Will are battling Vekna and whatever else is in the upsidedown, there's going to unfold a series of events that leads to some sort of plot twist that will result in something happening with 11. Maybe she dies, maybe she defeats Vekna and stays in the upsidedown closing all the portals...or maybe she works with Linda Hamilton's character and/or the government to keep this from ever happening again? Not sure but I believe that those are all the possibilities that fit with the filming that I've seen. And I've seen quite a lot of it.
This is a great theory! Because Alice seemed with no arms and legs broken
I've always been SUS about Alice, especially after the Aunt shows El/Jane her childhood bedroom and there is a picture of the White Rabbit from Alice in Wonderland on her wall... just a sneak peak of what Part 2 will be like!
But her eyes were sucked out tho?
@@aspen9975 Check out my "How Alice Creel Survived Theory" that one connects to this, but directly talks about Alice and the Creel House Massacre. I go in depth about everything closer in that one. Much love fam!
Interesting thought.
Mama heard el crying when she was born and saw dr Brenna
Nope! It's revealed in the first shadow, that eleven and others have powers because they were injected with the blood of 001! Also, Terry is older than 001. And Terry and Becky are real sisters.
Howndo you know theybare real sisters...
I won't be including anything that happens in the First Shadow, reason being, it takes away from the point of making theories and trying to figure out Season 5 before it happens. However, since you brought up the First Shadow, I do know the entire story and have read and watched a lot on it, including an interview by the Duffer Brothers. They have confirmed in an interview, that only BITS AND PIECES of the First Shadow may be true, and that Henry, also Victor his father from Stranger Things, are both NOT CREDIBLE narrators or story tellers. Hearing that means almost anything may or may not be true with that story, so we'll see lol. Much love and trust me this isn't the only theory I have involving Mama, the next one is wilder.
@@StrangerThings_YT we don't that's the thing. She comes off like she is, but if you rewatch the scenes with Mama's flashbacks, in the different episodes they show those scenes. They show a little bit more of the Aunt each time. In one scene Mama is yelling at her saying she heard her crying and she starts freaking, then the doctors rush in, when they sedate her, in 1 scene it actually looks like the Aunt is the one who sedated her with something. I have a theory coming soon about Miss Aunt Becky
@@curtisbush5728 I don't think the show is related to the play
@@Frainbowarriorit’s been confirmed by the Duffer Brothers that The First Shadow is canon.
Edited to add- that doesn’t mean there aren’t things that are purposefully misleading
Your microphone is clipping in every video
that is the craziest theory ive ever heard! But Alice died in season 4. i doubt she survived. if so, how? Maybe hawkins lab brought her back? or a hospital had something to do with it...i dont know. i dont think mama is alice because alice died. She looks like her but i doubt it. im pretty sure alice died and did not survive. i couldnt see a way. also if eleven wasnt born yet she couldnt have been there to revive her.
It's a crazy theory I know lol. The amount of connections and references are insane. I definitely want to get back into this theory no doubt. I have a lot more I haven't gotten to yet lol, A LOT MORE! This actually gave me an idea lol!!! Shout out is in order!!!
Good stuff dude. Have you read Suspicious Minds by Gwenda Bond? Idk if the books are cannon BUT it explains a lot about momma before Eleven was even born. Check it out. I can explain more if yall would like.
Haven't read it yet no, but DEFINITELY checking it out soon no doubt! Appreciate it brotha for real! More on Mama coming soon with a Part 3. Part 2 dropped last night! Much love and stay tuned!
@DLA_AlternativePodcast No worries bro. I've got it. Eddie's back story book "Icarus" and the latest I dont recall the name but its more Ele and Hop at some point. I'll def subscribe for the next episode. Thanks dude!
Alice creel, as far as we know never had powers
That's why it's a FAR FAR throw of a theory but like I said just a theory. Much love for the feedback for real, I need it for real. I want to develop the theories together as I grow this channel, so for real much love and keep the thoughts rolling!
Omgg that makes el henry's niece😮
Would be a WILD twist wouldn't it haha!
That's the only thing i don't love about this theory.. wouldn't it be a bigger shock if Vecna was Eleven's father? Seems odd to me if he were to end up being his uncle. It's kind of weird.. although this theory makes a lot of sense :)
@@martiinapodesta No doubt would definitely be HUGE if he was the Father as well. Either way in my opinion would be wild lol. However there possibly is a little hint to the Uncle term involving the Creel Family. When they move in and Victor is telling the story, he explains that Virginia's great great Uncle left the money to them and they bought the house. Ever since I started this theory, I can't get my mind off the fact that that could have possibly been a hint that a relationship will be used with an Uncle/Niece. It's the ONLY time that we hear the term Uncle in the show whatsoever and it's directly connected to the Creel Family. So if all plays out with this theory, no doubt in my mind that was the hint, but we'll see for sure lol! Much love fam!
But, they already looked into Mama’s history though so surely they would of found that out
Like I said it's only a theory lol, BUT we do know Hawkin's is extremely sneaky and good at covering things up. If Brenner and Mama had any involvement together, no doubt in my mind there is stuff we don't know yet. Who really knows lol, I have another theory involving Mama as well, being someone else, so when I drop that we'll see what people think is more of a possibility, stay tuned and much love!
@@dazbooth7 Mama could have amnesia
Where's 10 ..... He wasn't dead... When vecna killed everyone
Wow this can be true😮