I really appreciate this video- I couldn’t find anyone else who gave a solid summary and insight into the character of Suibhne. This was brilliantly succinct, yet informative.
Irish mythical figures were often made into historical people in Irish literature, a good example of how prevalent this was in most cultures originally.
my family has the last name Queen which was originally known as Mac Shuibhne we come from the ancient Dalriadan clans from the mountainous west coast of Scotland, me being born in Australia find it so fascinating to learn about my fathers home land
I don't know if you have had the chance to play it or have heard about it, but the concept of geilts is a huge plot point in the game "Hellblade". When you mentioned that Sweeny was cursed to "fly", there is a character in this game that goes by the name of Druth, and hischaracter design incorporates that association with birds by feathers and bird skulls on him.
I just discovered you from your chat with Derek Lambert and just subscribed to your channel. I'm looking forward to your content, I'm sure all of it is as awesome as this video is! :-)
Thanks Wilfred, I really appreciate that. I hope you enjoy some of the videos and I do try and answer all questions in the comments personally, so if you want to ask anything, or want to know more about anything then let me know :)
I haven't touched Voodoo yet, although I am researching "Nancy" who may have links, but I'll put that on my list of religions to find out more about as to be honest I know little about Voodoo
Certainly Gaiman's version is not an accurate representation of the mythological version. And there are connections with some of the Norse gods, we see this with Baldr too.
Cohen has compared Suibhne to Starkad in line with Dumezil who compares Starkad with Hercules and Shishupala so Suibhne goes back to Indo-European myth and may well have been a god
Thanks for the video. I feel it would be worth studying pronunciation in Gaeilge for this presentation. It makes quite a difference and is part of the understanding. Go raibh maith agat. Áed.
I would love to be able to pronounce Gaelic properly, but I'm still learning Russian, PIE, and German, and Old Norse... it is quite different to these, but I will try and improve :)
So the Irish didn´t have much in the way of myths until the Vikings arrived at the end of the 8th century and then their stories evolved from "older" Norse ones. A novel theory. Can you support your arguments?
It’s not that they didn’t have myths, it is just there is no record of them. That’s easy to prove because you won’t be able to find any records of them!
@@Crecganford The earliest extant records are from the 11th century but they are copies of copies, many of whose archaic written elements go back to the early 7th century, and indeed they contain other linguistic elements and content that highlight the centuries of oral transmission prior to that date. Similar in effect to the Brehon Laws, which can be dated linguistically as far back as the 5th century but whose accumulated body of law stretches much further back into oral antiquity. They coincide uncannily in style and content with many elements in The Laws of Manu, which would point to a divergence of 3500 - 4000 years. The greater part of Norse mythology was set down in Iceland in the 13th century. I´m sure similar arguments could be made for their antiquity and I have no doubt the Vikings and the Irish influenced each other but I do think you made much too broad a claim. In any case, keep up the good work!
I would love to hear more about the Zorya, also called Zoria or Zaria (The Auroras). The 3 sisters one of which is tasked with guarding Simargl, a winged lion or dog, trapped in the Ursa Minor (Little Bear) constellation by an iron chain attached to the star Polaris. This task was of cosmic importance, for if Simargl ended up freeing himself, it would cause the end of the world. I know they're originally Slovic but the author added some Norse etc with prediction powers. I believe I read that Neil made up the sky watching maidan character but I'm more curious about any myths pertaining to a beast chained in a constellation that would end the world if freed. If that is even a real myth lol ty! excellent channel with excellent info!
Thank you for watching, and suggesting that story. I do have a number of myths based on constellations to research and so will add this to the list. Thank you.
My family from my mom side are Sweeney I didn't get the last name Sweeney which upsets me but was named after my father anyway I love how my ancestors get love and some of it's history is brought to light I'm really interested in learning about the Sweeney side of my family but definitely more a Sweeney than a Fowler. I even look like my grandfather who full blooded Sweeney
Are there any other gods in American Gods you want to know about?
Did you do one about the love goddess?
@@carlthomaswilliamsjr.2995 I did, Bilquis I think her name was… it will be on my channel close to this one date wise. :)
@@Crecganford Ah thank you.
Media... Just kidding. Awesome bit of history, or myth... Thank you
I really appreciate this video- I couldn’t find anyone else who gave a solid summary and insight into the character of Suibhne. This was brilliantly succinct, yet informative.
Irish mythical figures were often made into historical people in Irish literature, a good example of how prevalent this was in most cultures originally.
That was great and thank you for such a coherent layout. I like the 123 approach rather than the old jump around.
Thank you for watching :)
my family has the last name Queen which was originally known as Mac Shuibhne we come from the ancient Dalriadan clans from the mountainous west coast of Scotland, me being born in Australia find it so fascinating to learn about my fathers home land
I'm pleased you found it interesting, thanks for watching :)
This is super well done, thank you!
Thank you so much.
I don't know if you have had the chance to play it or have heard about it, but the concept of geilts is a huge plot point in the game "Hellblade". When you mentioned that Sweeny was cursed to "fly", there is a character in this game that goes by the name of Druth, and hischaracter design incorporates that association with birds by feathers and bird skulls on him.
I just discovered you from your chat with Derek Lambert and just subscribed to your channel. I'm looking forward to your content, I'm sure all of it is as awesome as this video is! :-)
Thanks Wilfred, I really appreciate that. I hope you enjoy some of the videos and I do try and answer all questions in the comments personally, so if you want to ask anything, or want to know more about anything then let me know :)
Sweeney definitely one of my favorite characters
Good job, nice to know some of the background/origins of of sweeney. Thanks. Have you done any vids on the voodoo gods?
I haven't touched Voodoo yet, although I am researching "Nancy" who may have links, but I'll put that on my list of religions to find out more about as to be honest I know little about Voodoo
in one word, failure - is his greatest attribute...
I like this.
I think Mad Sweeny is a mistake from Neil Gaiman, because is Lugh, the spanish version of Odin.
Certainly Gaiman's version is not an accurate representation of the mythological version. And there are connections with some of the Norse gods, we see this with Baldr too.
Cohen has compared Suibhne to Starkad in line with Dumezil who compares Starkad with Hercules and Shishupala so Suibhne goes back to Indo-European myth and may well have been a god
I'll have a read of Cohen then, as that would be an interesting link, thank you
I thought Shadow killed him with a spear? 😂😂😂
Thanks for the video. I feel it would be worth studying pronunciation in Gaeilge for this presentation. It makes quite a difference and is part of the understanding. Go raibh maith agat. Áed.
I would love to be able to pronounce Gaelic properly, but I'm still learning Russian, PIE, and German, and Old Norse... it is quite different to these, but I will try and improve :)
Since Ronan was a saint does that mean the Roman Catholic Church believes this as canon?
Today I learned (to my great surprise) that Mad Sweeney is played by the guy who played Nick Sabotka on season 2 of The Wire.
I just learnt that too! :) thank you
So the Irish didn´t have much in the way of myths until the Vikings arrived at the end of the 8th century and then their stories evolved from "older" Norse ones. A novel theory. Can you support your arguments?
It’s not that they didn’t have myths, it is just there is no record of them. That’s easy to prove because you won’t be able to find any records of them!
@@Crecganford The earliest extant records are from the 11th century but they are copies of copies, many of whose archaic written elements go back to the early 7th century, and indeed they contain other linguistic elements and content that highlight the centuries of oral transmission prior to that date. Similar in effect to the Brehon Laws, which can be dated linguistically as far back as the 5th century but whose accumulated body of law stretches much further back into oral antiquity. They coincide uncannily in style and content with many elements in The Laws of Manu, which would point to a divergence of 3500 - 4000 years. The greater part of Norse mythology was set down in Iceland in the 13th century. I´m sure similar arguments could be made for their antiquity and I have no doubt the Vikings and the Irish influenced each other but I do think you made much too broad a claim. In any case, keep up the good work!
I would love to hear more about the Zorya, also called Zoria or Zaria (The Auroras). The 3 sisters one of which is tasked with guarding Simargl, a winged lion or dog, trapped in the Ursa Minor (Little Bear) constellation by an iron chain attached to the star Polaris. This task was of cosmic importance, for if Simargl ended up freeing himself, it would cause the end of the world. I know they're originally Slovic but the author added some Norse etc with prediction powers. I believe I read that Neil made up the sky watching maidan character but I'm more curious about any myths pertaining to a beast chained in a constellation that would end the world if freed. If that is even a real myth lol ty! excellent channel with excellent info!
Thank you for watching, and suggesting that story. I do have a number of myths based on constellations to research and so will add this to the list. Thank you.
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That was so well argued, your points are exceptional, the academic references unquestionable. Thank you for taking the time to comment.
@@Crecganford your welcome
My family from my mom side are Sweeney I didn't get the last name Sweeney which upsets me but was named after my father anyway I love how my ancestors get love and some of it's history is brought to light I'm really interested in learning about the Sweeney side of my family but definitely more a Sweeney than a Fowler. I even look like my grandfather who full blooded Sweeney