The Ugliest Funniest Pro Game Ever! | Karmine Corp vs Team Liquid "Analysis"

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  • @Ungabunga923
    @Ungabunga923 Год назад +1107

    Riot should honestly investigate them for match fixing

    • @isaacvono9941
      @isaacvono9941 Год назад +165

      for sure, this is just outrageous, even challengers teams aren't playing like this

    • @granblueau5113
      @granblueau5113 Год назад +236

      @@isaacvono9941 Guys chill, they are a French team. Have you ever played on French servers? This is the norm...

    • @zorev7925
      @zorev7925 Год назад +37

      @@granblueau5113 bro they are pro team don't compare it to your rank game

    • @joshuaherrera9331
      @joshuaherrera9331 Год назад +165

      @@granblueau5113 forgot they're french, we'll see them /FF soon then eh?

    • @carljojohnson
      @carljojohnson Год назад +43

      @@zorev7925 they're fr*nch tho, can't expect them playing like pros

  • @koro3855
    @koro3855 Год назад +595

    Thanks Karmine for making so many young talented ranked players out there believe that they can also make it to pro

    • @themorningdropout8699
      @themorningdropout8699 Год назад +35

      They giving the 5 iron 1 players in the world hope

    • @Name-sl3bm
      @Name-sl3bm Год назад +5

      yeah what was that breach even thinking? he left the spike and didnt even get rushed, Liquid just walked up and scared him away, thats like an iron play

  • @priyanshusharma1812
    @priyanshusharma1812 Год назад +370

    Karmine Corp is truly one of the partnered teams of all time

    • @kunalchandnani2605
      @kunalchandnani2605 4 месяца назад +2

      Look at them now beating fnatic to qualify for mastersmadrid

  • @duseifert
    @duseifert Год назад +266

    10/10 game, life-changing, entertaining, fun to watch, informative and educational

  • @legowolfer8861
    @legowolfer8861 Год назад +216

    DRG vs EDG game 1 (3rd April) was hilarious as well...2 aces in the first 6 rounds, KK trying to knife 2 people in the smoke and no one noticing him, then EDG's internet died

    • @Buckie77
      @Buckie77 Год назад +9

      Thought you were talking about League for a sec there lol, made me think “Wasn’t that game a fucking stomp xd”

    • @rjun152
      @rjun152 Год назад

      last year?

  • @bananavey
    @bananavey Год назад +192

    you should make an "apology" to sideshow in the vein of the KC v BBL video

    • @venky3867
      @venky3867 Год назад +1

      Context?

    • @kazle3772
      @kazle3772 Год назад +7

      @@venky3867 KC actually looked pretty decent when they were aginst BBL. I think that was the context

    • @xuyukun123
      @xuyukun123 Год назад +26

      @@venky3867 context is this guy didn't watch to the end of that video, tmv said they were still trolling at the end 🤣

    • @bananavey
      @bananavey Год назад +1

      @@xuyukun123 yea but like the "apology" video would also be a joke lmao (there's a reason why I put it in quotes, which is to indicate sarcasm)

    • @xuyukun123
      @xuyukun123 Год назад +1

      @@bananavey that'd be lit then, hard to catch tone in text

  • @shayanshaikh534
    @shayanshaikh534 Год назад +228

    Greatest match in eSports history, no cap

  • @nightrunnerks
    @nightrunnerks Год назад +47

    The mind boggling part about round 7 is that Team Liquid got control of the spike but backed off to the sites because they thought they were gonna get ganked or hit with some insane big brain trap play.
    In reality KC were just so lost in the sauce that they weren't doing anything.

    • @Messiman14
      @Messiman14 Год назад +6

      I think the biggest mind-boggle for me is what while Jamppi is walking through mid, Newzera is actually just running away through spawn??? I think he actually just doesn't think Jamppi got through the timing window or else he would have said. But if that's true, then why just abandon the spike?

    • @Name-sl3bm
      @Name-sl3bm Год назад

      Lmaoo

  • @bonemarrow2292
    @bonemarrow2292 Год назад +107

    saw this in the making, TMV's raw emotions on twitch are so entertaining.

  • @shientioh4865
    @shientioh4865 Год назад +73

    Instead of the champions cup, teams are competing to see which one can troll the hardest

  • @Sugarist0
    @Sugarist0 Год назад +61

    The first two rounds that u actually analysed, it felt like newzera was the major contributor to the throwing, the rest of the team was just the victim of his poor decisions and communication

    • @z34567890123456
      @z34567890123456 Год назад +8

      How do you know it wasn’t Scream calling to leave the spike market and feel out the map? Because that’s how nearly every round goes for them so to me it sounds like the IGL (Scream) is at fault

    • @Sugarist0
      @Sugarist0 Год назад +53

      @@z34567890123456 putting the spike in market isn’t a bad thing, and is common in defaults.
      The problem is, once newzera gets pushed off the angle, he should be telling his team “hey, I don’t have sight lines, come back I need cover” or sth along those lines. And from the reactions (or I guess the lack of) of the people in mid, it’s pretty clear that they had no clue he was pushed off.
      Being the igl doesn’t mean he has complete control over all 5 players, and knows exactly what’s going on in all 5 povs. It’s every players’ jobs to communicate to their teammates so that they can actually function as a team

    • @MukeshRajasekar
      @MukeshRajasekar Год назад +3

      I am pretty sure he team stun in one of the rounds

    • @benbarnato8816
      @benbarnato8816 Год назад +4

      Yeah he team stunned XMS on the final round. The worst part is they didn’t notice he was there until he got team by Newzera stunned. He would’ve gotten so many kills if Newzera didn’t team stun him.

    • @_reyna_-5514
      @_reyna_-5514 Год назад +1

      @@benbarnato8816 nah jamppi's dog stunned him

  • @anca1ag0n37
    @anca1ag0n37 Год назад +101

    KC is truly a clout team. Look at all the analysts, youtubers, and fans talking about them! Mission successful tbh

    • @qlockwerk553
      @qlockwerk553 Год назад +1

      all publicity is good publicity

    • @t34d1um
      @t34d1um Год назад

      i mean they are really good in rocket league and were also really good in league of legends eum so it's not all clout
      but yeah their valorant squad is a clown fest

  • @hlepme7861
    @hlepme7861 Год назад +86

    I sincerely hope that karmine corps stay together because this is the kind of content they provide

    • @benbarnato8816
      @benbarnato8816 Год назад

      Same here

    • @nightrunnerks
      @nightrunnerks Год назад

      They're stuck together till the end of the season

    • @notgoku1466
      @notgoku1466 Год назад

      @@nightrunnerks contract?

    • @suedetree970
      @suedetree970 Год назад

      ​@@notgoku1466 it's just valorant franchising rules I think

    • @xforce6213
      @xforce6213 Год назад +1

      ​@@suedetree970 its prob contract. Yay and Vanity got dropped from C9 mid tourney

  • @Cirphlyx
    @Cirphlyx Год назад +32

    this was the funniest match i think i’ve watched in valorant and being on your stream was certainly the reason why. love the video!

  • @soundcloutking303
    @soundcloutking303 Год назад +27

    Why did they give breach spike so often if they picked Gekko? Seems like it’d be better to have a Skye or Fade if he’s not carrying it especially with a Raze on the team right?

    • @Sythrin3
      @Sythrin3 Год назад +1

      Common sense doesn't apply to karmine corp

    • @Sukhme
      @Sukhme Год назад +19

      You underestimate them buddy, Gekko pick was just a psychological warfare strategy instead of being useful

  • @chivalrydoes3317
    @chivalrydoes3317 Год назад +14

    Its mind boggling how Newzera just stayed in market and ct from most of the time while he has ult. How is breach the one lurking when hes supposed to stun/flash and set up his teammates.

  • @Savigawd
    @Savigawd Год назад +27

    Zaza be hitting hard

  • @hollyroberson9018
    @hollyroberson9018 Год назад +22

    this was a travesty lmao, so fun to watch tho..

  • @dhaakh
    @dhaakh Год назад +4

    It almost looks like they were throwing intentionally. Match fixing? Crypto throwing? Idk I just can't accept that this is how a pro team would play.... I mean we have seen Scream and Nivera play much better in Team Liquid right ? How can they fall so low??? Scream was IGLing in Team Liquid too if I'm not wrong. KC games are just hella sus at this point.

    • @benbarnato8816
      @benbarnato8816 Год назад

      Yeah but TL sucked as well. They only won games because all 5 players are aim gods and now that that’s taken away they can’t do anything.

    • @adibrahman3321
      @adibrahman3321 Год назад +2

      Yeah scream was co-leader of the team even in their comms vdos u see scream giving so many great callouts . remember when nivera started his first valorant pro game with an ace first round. Also he won so many 1v2 and 1v1's and clutched for them . scream on jett was another beast . its sad to see what a team environment can do to players

  • @slurpfung906
    @slurpfung906 Год назад +12

    Scream's career as an igl in Valorant in a nutshell:Who Let him cook

  • @musculusiv4172
    @musculusiv4172 Год назад +30

    What I also didn't understand is why KC wanted to run triple initiator on Ascent when they are clearly the team that values utility the least

  • @kjellurie
    @kjellurie Год назад +407

    man it was just so funny, i can't believe it actually happened HAHAHA
    it was so out of character too. for the most part, Nivera is the chill one back in Liquid.

  • @RobedVAL
    @RobedVAL Год назад +15

    This is what happens when you let riot pick which teams can play by org money not merit

    • @benbarnato8816
      @benbarnato8816 Год назад

      That’s why franchising should’ve never happened.

    • @notgoku1466
      @notgoku1466 Год назад

      I mean, orgs with more money should in theory be able to fund better players and management and what not. But they could also troll apparently. 🤷

    • @RobedVAL
      @RobedVAL Год назад +1

      @@notgoku1466 in theory they could but they wouldnt do that. They make more money not winning.. look at sentinels and optic gaming a while back, you could be at the bottom of the league and still be franchised while being at the top of the world doesnt mean anything because you arent profitable.

  • @sachinacharya2681
    @sachinacharya2681 Год назад +12

    I want whatever Newzera and KC had smoked yesterday 👀

    • @benbarnato8816
      @benbarnato8816 Год назад

      Same

    • @liano9711
      @liano9711 Год назад

      Probably smoking that old-fashioned paint with lead and arsenic kek, they looked straight up lost

  • @jknomore
    @jknomore Год назад +2

    Newzera basically threw the entire game. No idea why but how the heck can you tell me that's not a throw

  • @notgoku1466
    @notgoku1466 Год назад +6

    Watching a young talent like Nivera rot in a team like this is genuinely painful!

  • @Ascendeus
    @Ascendeus Год назад +1

    Isn't it funny that both ScreaM and Nivera were both just in Team Liquid not too long ago? 💀

  • @AdilKhan-uq2nm
    @AdilKhan-uq2nm Год назад +9

    At this point just investigate K Corp because this looks like match fixing ngl

    • @lucidvibes8133
      @lucidvibes8133 Год назад

      fr

    • @benbarnato8816
      @benbarnato8816 Год назад

      fr fr

    • @IDontLikeHandIes
      @IDontLikeHandIes Год назад +1

      Still new to esport rules sorry, what's match fixing?

    • @lucidvibes8133
      @lucidvibes8133 Год назад +1

      @@IDontLikeHandIes when players are paid by external people to throw a game so the external people get a lot of money because they betted that the team the player is part of will lose (other team will win) and they win the bet

    • @AdilKhan-uq2nm
      @AdilKhan-uq2nm Год назад

      @@IDontLikeHandIes Basically the team or a few players of the team get paid to throw the match, which is an unfair practice in sport and games.

  • @darren8608
    @darren8608 Год назад +3

    another thing that i absolutely do not get is why sh1n keeps on playing gekko all the goddamn time even though its clearly not working

  • @musculusiv4172
    @musculusiv4172 Год назад +2

    I looked at the comments on the latest KC yt video (comms of the BBL/Heretics games) and the French fans are coping so much it's unbelievable

    • @liano9711
      @liano9711 Год назад

      Oh I know what I'm watching next lmao

  • @kenchen704
    @kenchen704 Год назад +2

    Who is this Newzera guy? Actually stealing contracts in franchising lol

  • @sandipbhattacharya680
    @sandipbhattacharya680 Год назад +1

    Newzera and XMS are literally braindead sort of players ngl, and scream isnt a duelist, he is better as a flex agent. KC and HERETICS should just mix their players and form a team of Keloqz, Mixwell, Zeek, Nivera and Scream. KC team now is just the worst team in the whole world.

  • @peugas13
    @peugas13 Год назад +4

    KC keep it going, we all love more of Malding Man's Valorant moments

  • @aayzee3138
    @aayzee3138 Год назад +7

    Drug test them

  • @raj11149
    @raj11149 Год назад +4

    A pro team with an initiator holding an angle.

  • @BruteZ7957
    @BruteZ7957 Год назад +2

    I don't wanna be that guy but I really need this. Like if you want tmv to costream next KC match with sideshow. Pleasee😭😭

    • @benbarnato8816
      @benbarnato8816 Год назад +1

      That would be amazing. Probably not going to happen but that would be amazing.

  • @Venomous-ex
    @Venomous-ex Год назад +1

    This HAS to be match fixing. I mean how do you explain all that? Is this a one time thing or a KC signature troll or what?

  • @nightrunnerks
    @nightrunnerks Год назад

    The mind boggling part about round 7 is that Team Liquid got control of the spike but backed off to the sites because they thought they were gonna get ganked or hit with some insane big brain trap play.
    In reality KC were just so lost in the sauce that they weren't doing anything.

  • @3azm0
    @3azm0 Год назад +1

    omg this is too funny watching bronze play a pro game

  • @sponge_fps
    @sponge_fps Год назад +1

    XMS leaves heaven as he is flashed so tries to drop hell. Jamppi flashes through and gets the first kill, that's the only reason why he's not watching there, the next kill is ridiculous but the rest is just misplay.

  • @sergrojGrayFace
    @sergrojGrayFace Год назад +1

    What actually boggles my mind way way more than Nivera's headphones is this: *How is it even possible to be on a save after losing just a single round in whole half?*

  • @Malam_NightYoru
    @Malam_NightYoru Год назад +1

    the 5th round is all onto breach. if he ulted bomb, Raze wouldve already jumped inside and cleared everything HE TOOK TOO LONG TO DO ANYTHING

  • @ramza8355
    @ramza8355 Год назад +1

    match fixing?
    also, we thought RRQ will be the clown. Turn out it was KC. At least RRQ try to be better and won against DFM.

  • @Shadow-ue6fq
    @Shadow-ue6fq Год назад +2

    Seeing EVERYONE'S reactions to this game has been hilarious. It really is amazing Karmine Corp got as far as they have. When they play like this it blows me away.

    • @AsmaHt
      @AsmaHt Год назад +1

      In their first few series they actually played okay. Nothing spectacular but no trolling either, just a team trying their best. Only in these last two series were they questionable af.

  • @SimpleBonsai
    @SimpleBonsai Год назад +2

    My teammates in ranked are karmine corp

  • @oneprez
    @oneprez Год назад

    Dang another goof up of valorant rank match making they gotta fix that stuff man, this was like watching a full team of smurfs go against irons

  • @Delta_Deuces
    @Delta_Deuces 4 месяца назад

    KC is like PRX if they weren’t good at valorant

  • @thisisadummyaccount1775
    @thisisadummyaccount1775 Год назад +2

    conspiracy theory: do we think there's something wrong with their org and this is their form of protest? it just seems so unbelievable that they would play this lousy considering more than half the team have played idk, a thousand times already. Or what else could be the other reasons?

    • @ShabbyCA
      @ShabbyCA Год назад

      Bold strategy if true since Kcorp fans are the most passionate (and toxic) fans in esports. If they found out their team was purposely throwing it would be over for all those players

    • @liano9711
      @liano9711 Год назад +1

      Honestly that's kind of an interesting idea. No clue if that's the case but they would be basically going on strike

  • @jeremy4392
    @jeremy4392 Год назад +1

    the chapter names are too funny "The Spike Goes To Another School" haha

  • @avoidthevo1d
    @avoidthevo1d Год назад +1

    TMV, i can't help but notice that headset of yours. You gotta treat yourself with a good headset some time, that's for sure

  • @samuelrodriguez7349
    @samuelrodriguez7349 Год назад +1

    Dont worry, they have scream as igl

  • @Ali-kc5op
    @Ali-kc5op Год назад +11

    AFK in a pro game 💀

  • @viata11
    @viata11 Год назад +1

    match fixing, 100%

  • @Dyleniz
    @Dyleniz Год назад +1

    Karmine really needs a proper IGL I mean you already have firepower and stop trolling

  • @NikolakiH
    @NikolakiH Год назад

    This is worse than my average diamond game. In fact, I would say this is worse than the average gold/silver game both before and after the ascendant rank inflation.

  • @oktinaa
    @oktinaa Год назад

    this actually pisses me off more than anything because how are they so stupid? how are they getting paid? this is like ridiculously bad it hurts. might as well be match fixing

  • @germytv
    @germytv Год назад +1

    Newzera getting dropped ASAP

  • @dsuffers3032
    @dsuffers3032 Год назад +8

    I thought my two teammates that fed the enemy team info and disabled my Sage from playing prepared me of the ultimate trolling KC did

  • @ConnorWright-oj3fb
    @ConnorWright-oj3fb Год назад

    If I'm KC, I'm calling Apeks ASAP and asking them how much for Mistic and Enzo. Not even just referring to this game, but I genuinely believe that Newzera is the worst player in Valorant franchising. He looks so lost and on a completely different page then the other 4. Honestly I think KC should drop Newzera and sh1n. sh1n hasn't been terrible but he's young and he's got lots of time to make his way to franchising. I feel bad for xms because statistically it looks like he's the worst, but the amount of 1v5s he gets left in kind of makes that an unjust assessment of his skill bc his utility usage is really good. So, Newzera and sh1n out, Enzo and Mistic in, and then KC has a shot at not being the worst team in EMEA.

  • @_lumpia
    @_lumpia Год назад +2

    the cherry on top of that 6-0 round is that shin uses gekko ult after they had already called to save

    • @z34567890123456
      @z34567890123456 Год назад +1

      Second ult, wouldn’t have it next round anyway

    • @_lumpia
      @_lumpia Год назад +1

      @@z34567890123456 ah i didn’t catch that. it would’ve been hilarious if he just wasted the ult

  • @seenmess3228
    @seenmess3228 Год назад +1

    These are pro players. Professionals acting like silvers.
    Damn, all this time I've been doing it for free, I should be getting paid for playing like a silver

    • @n1nfy
      @n1nfy Год назад

      Silvers wouldn't leave the spike in one place for over a minute. This is some bronze level shit

    • @IDontLikeHandIes
      @IDontLikeHandIes Год назад +2

      ​@@n1nfy as a bronze, we hug the spike like it's our baby, this is some iron shenanigans

  • @apollo1694
    @apollo1694 Год назад

    literally the average gold ranked game, 4 players pushing A while one dude shift walks with the spike through spawn

  • @incognitogguy6437
    @incognitogguy6437 Год назад

    I have to say, me and my friends could likely play a better game of valorant than how karmine corp played this game, incredible.

  • @starrynights2951
    @starrynights2951 Год назад

    i forgot just HOW BAD round 4-0 was until i see it thoroughly broken down like this. perhaps i had a breakdown

  • @Baceblu
    @Baceblu Год назад

    Newzera needs to be fined or removed for throwing bcus there is no pro in their right mind who is playing seriously and then puts up a performance like that.

  • @alexkarthik1064
    @alexkarthik1064 Год назад

    Shin and Newzera are terrible, they're not at this level at all.

    • @somadeli8721
      @somadeli8721 9 месяцев назад

      Newzera is terrible. But Sh1n? The player with the highest ACS/map at Lock In? And I'm glad Newzera stepped down, even though he left the team in a position where they had to play with their assistant coach, it's obvious that they improved after he left. I think if they don't keep Newzera, and instead bring in Enz0, they could have been one of the best teams in EMEA

  • @Carlos-dm5fo
    @Carlos-dm5fo Год назад +1

    12:56 did gecko use his ULTIMATE to clear A heaven like it was a skye dog?

    • @z34567890123456
      @z34567890123456 Год назад

      Second ult, wouldn’t have it next round anyway, and they were saving.

    • @Carlos-dm5fo
      @Carlos-dm5fo Год назад

      @@z34567890123456 ahh okay thank you

  • @a_lobofwood7660
    @a_lobofwood7660 Год назад +1

    i was waiting for this vid to see tmv's reaction lol #kcontop

  • @aleksPval
    @aleksPval Год назад +1

    XMS gigachad playing sheriff only in officials 😭😭😭😭😭

  • @ultranumhere
    @ultranumhere Год назад

    You're not making a video on the NaVi Yoru game?

  • @connorahn932
    @connorahn932 Год назад

    bro this is worse than my plat games
    “franchise ready btw”

  • @BrahmaDBA
    @BrahmaDBA Год назад

    I thought that EG, Karmine Corp, and RRQ will all be clowns of their respective league. But I was wrong. RRQ still showed that they deserve the spot. EG showed fighting spirit.
    But KC, KC is the whole circus.

    • @Drauzet
      @Drauzet Год назад +1

      DFM is worse than RRQ, rito should have given that spot to Crazy Racoons

  • @Arjun-hp2sp
    @Arjun-hp2sp Год назад

    kc free entertainment

  • @bezellik
    @bezellik Год назад

    ive never laughed like this at one of your videos man holy fuck. unbelievable.

  • @justsomedude168
    @justsomedude168 Год назад

    Tbh, any silver 5 stack could do a better job than karmine corp did on split

  • @cakexo7756
    @cakexo7756 Год назад

    how the hell is this a pro match, who signed the breach?

  • @user-nj8wg7rx8c
    @user-nj8wg7rx8c Год назад

    lmfao wtf is the breach doing lol

  • @tenedor_sin_puntas
    @tenedor_sin_puntas Год назад

    We thought that Sentinels bringing retired Shroud to competitive was the biggest troll, but nobody expected this level of troll

  • @scottwangkl8882
    @scottwangkl8882 Год назад

    Newzera lied on his resume and got on a pro team

  • @abominably_antisocial
    @abominably_antisocial Год назад +1

    can anyone tell me why kc trolled so bad? is this a seeding match?

    • @z34567890123456
      @z34567890123456 Год назад +1

      It’s because they are bad. Hope this clears it up. 👍🏼

    • @Christian-mf4jt
      @Christian-mf4jt Год назад +2

      Yeah the outcome of this match didn‘t matter because it‘s already clear that KC will not qualify for playoffs :P

    • @liano9711
      @liano9711 Год назад

      ​@@Christian-mf4jt that was so out of pocket lmaoooo 💀

  • @reuwlane9867
    @reuwlane9867 Год назад

    Kcorp is doing the there is no such thing as bad publicity strat

  • @fahrurozi3268
    @fahrurozi3268 Год назад

    Idk man, this game is so suspicious and weird

  • @denii9715
    @denii9715 Год назад

    This has to be the most braindead game i have ever seen

  • @nottharunzzzz
    @nottharunzzzz Год назад

    karmine corp would be a good team if they fixed their positioning, aim, tactics, gunplay, team play, positioning, game sense and skill.

  • @audaciousifti
    @audaciousifti Год назад

    Even my gold games are more organized than this

  • @ayushmanbt
    @ayushmanbt Год назад

    Somebody is getting fired seems like

  • @aden3413
    @aden3413 Год назад

    i didnt get why KC chose breach to hold b main instead of cypher.....with breach's help their B split and mid to b with his kit but i guess that wont let mr egg mald.....

  • @notes8988
    @notes8988 Год назад

    Sideshow should be casting these

  • @xsomili5501
    @xsomili5501 Год назад

    clout team fr

  • @-s-santtos-s-9170
    @-s-santtos-s-9170 Год назад

    Imagine if you could pick up the spike of the ground 😂

  • @Fluskar
    @Fluskar Год назад

    KC is a joke

  • @rafaelrubio4443
    @rafaelrubio4443 Год назад

    Newzera cryptothrower ?

  • @aced7498
    @aced7498 Год назад

    match fixing?

  • @degitoblue6783
    @degitoblue6783 Год назад

    If tmvs reaction to them winning is jumping and laughing at the same time that shit real

  • @17davs
    @17davs Год назад

    Round 7 is just to good to be true

  • @Aaron-yy6ul
    @Aaron-yy6ul Год назад

    This Video will go viral, on God

  • @shja0111
    @shja0111 Год назад

    they need a better IGL.. Enzo?? maybe??

  • @trialerroracc2080
    @trialerroracc2080 Год назад

    please review Paper Rex again

  • @sovereign2455
    @sovereign2455 Год назад

    KC has a couple of trolls on their roster for sure

  • @YesHelloKitty
    @YesHelloKitty Год назад +2

    Riot should rethink their "no relegation" rule . Such clown orgs like Karmine Corp should not be a part of the franchise league