Mountain Biking often uses technology developed in the Moto industry which a much much bigger industry. If it does not work on a Motocross race bike or has not been introduce yet there, most likely it will not work well on a regular bike. Would be curious to try one though..
From my point of view is better to wait for the second or third generation of this type of fork so it can be refined from those imperfection a new product always have and also specking a reduction in price.
Interesting fact about South Mountain... most of those trails were forged by the Cat company because South Mountain used to be a testing grounds for their earth movers and other heavy equipment
Tough call on that fork, not sure I’ll ever want to change from what you’ve all been riding for 20 something years! Glad to see you you had the nerve to test it out!!! Solid work my friend, cheers Eric!!
The linkage fork does make sense. On a normal fork the shock is having to deal with the up and down motion, but also with the twisting forces placed on the fork. The linkage for separates those. The shocks only have to control the up and down motion. It would probably just need a little fine tuning. Also, you would have to look at the geometry before hand and match it to what comes off.
Looks like a crosslink fork introduced by Noleen/Girvin in the late 1990s. They worked well, came in aluminum and carbon fiber versions, and some of them were paired with K2 computerized smart shocks.
Haha, I love when people want to talk about my kit, it's part of what I love about riding a Pole Evolink :D If I weren't already so happy with my fork I would have thought about giving this a go, but seems like it has a lot of disadvantages over a regular fork and not too much else. Maybe with the higher ride height, you could drop your stack height a little too.
I've essentially gathered that the Trust forks are better for plowing head on into stuff so more horizontal hits not vertical hits that you would get from going down steps or off drops and jumps. Never ridden one so no personal experience with it.
Have you tried the Lauf fork as well? I have one on my CX/gravel bike and I have found that it works really well at cornering and fast speeds dampening all the little bumps down the road. They do make a mountain bike and fat bike specific fork as well.
Like it. I think it would be fugly in a classic bike but I want it for the design. I like hardtails with tightly controlled forks. Can you buy one with a 1 1/8 steerer ?
I have to admit, I've never really been a fan of linkage fork design. It looks bulky and heavy. I think I'll just stick with the traditional fork designs. And as always, it's wonderful to see stuff in my home state. Stay upright and keep the rubber side down! -Brian
Hey Eric! I live in a small town in California with some epic off grid hand cut trails. We’re just south of Montaño de oro and would love to let you in on our secret trails! Thanks love the videos.
*gasps* That Fork costs more than my used E-Allmountain Haibike? YEEET. Its nice to see engineers try out new stuff, so we can learn how to improve the standard fork :3
Those forks seem to take riders significant time to dial-in? From what I've seen about them, you simply plow into sharp edges the way you kinda' don't with telescoping forks. Rich Drew is consistently using Trust in his videos and he seems to do absolutely everything with it! The way you took the Waterfall... you were awfully confident... was that the fork?
Wait that fork uses a built in telescoping shock.. so if friction was one of the problems with conventional forks adding linkages plus that shock seems very counter productive. Simplicity is satisfaction and this just seems like hype. Good video tho.
666ImI666 it’s all about leverage ratio. With the linkage there’s more leverage to actuate the suspension. There’s basically zero breakaway force required.
@@skullsroad3642 i dont need too, i have Sixth Sense for bad design, i do however think this innovation will help the move top brands innovation, so i appreciate the attempt and advancement of suspension concept, that i do support just not at $2K
The design of the standard fork is more straightforward when dealing with obstacles. The linkage fork has arrived in the wrong chronology of time. Even the linkage forks design looks like a failed engineering.
I think that depends on where the obstacle is coming from. When the obstacle comes at you from the front, evading it by moving up may not be that straightforward and uses more travel than necessary. Because that fork moves backward at the beginning of its travel instead of up, obstacles that are low and encounter the fork from the front (like smaller rocks and bumps while riding at higher speeds), the fork has an advantage over traditional forks because it moves aligned with the direction you are riding. This is why it absorbs small hits on highspeed sections so well. I would not call it failed engineering because of that. They definitely put a lot of thought in the linkage design. Of course the downside is that it is way stiffer when the obstacle comes from the bottom. This is why it feels so bad on drops, low speed and big obstacles. Compared to conventional forks I would not call it failed engineering but definitely less versatile. I think it was engineered for few specific tasks (cornering, high speeds, etc.). If you have much money to spare and only ride flowy, fast trails, then maybe this is the fork for you. For everyone else (including me) it is too limited in its capabilities and way too expensive (and let´s be honest, a little ugly...). But it definitely has a specific niche on the market (which is big enough to keep the company running at the moment).
How'd Yuka's first ride on an E-bike go? Check out her vid here!
ruclips.net/video/ceoZBNc2lbA/видео.html
BCpov when you make it to California I really recommend riding the famous flow trail.
9:10
as a fellow introvert that small awkward chuckle hit me on another level
@Tasunke the only no pfp user I trust
Optimus fork *LOL* yeah.. I bet he had no idea that was going on the internet.
Ah yes, that feeling when you are testing new stuff and mid ride you want your old bike back XD
Mountain Biking often uses technology developed in the Moto industry which a much much bigger industry. If it does not work on a Motocross race bike or has not been introduce yet there, most likely it will not work well on a regular bike. Would be curious to try one though..
Rémy Métailler why no flipped forks on MTB
@@_the_low_gold_gamer_2501 there are inverted mtb forks. Rock shox rs-1 is a common one. There are several others though
Yeah dropper seat posts were a real hit amongst MX hence it became a hit in mtb....
@@panhuys1893 Do you really think seat post and suspension are the same subject matter?
@@panhuys1893 yeah totally the same...
0:45 I hate it when my pile of fox 36 forks get in the way
I ride these trails every day, and it is SO mich fun.
From my point of view is better to wait for the second or third generation of this type of fork so it can be refined from those imperfection a new product always have and also specking a reduction in price.
Interesting fact about South Mountain... most of those trails were forged by the Cat company because South Mountain used to be a testing grounds for their earth movers and other heavy equipment
Tough call on that fork, not sure I’ll ever want to change from what you’ve all been riding for 20 something years! Glad to see you you had the nerve to test it out!!! Solid work my friend, cheers Eric!!
Was thinking about going to Europe this week but man, you make me wanna spend my vacation time mountain biking in the USA. (from Canada)
You know you live in Phoenix when you can identify the Waterfall on SoMo just by looking up at it (in your intro shot).
3:48 having a suspension fork in the trail.. What a level hahahaha
Optimus fork!! lol .... that was funny. Great review and thanks for sharing your feedback on the Trust Shout fork. Cheers!!
Good to finally hear about the cons of this fork...not just the pros.
Bravo on da honesty
The old “lefty” rearing it’s head!! I ride a Cannondale (Jekyll 3) and am totally impressed with their product!
What kind of travel do you get on that f/r?
I just got a new to me 06 scalpel and im loving it!
Raj Gill 170mm - front and 165mm - rear
@@grantfeddema5332 damn thats full on downhill bike! Mines only 110mm front 67mm rear
Raj Gill she’s a beast for sure! Great climber though!
The linkage fork does make sense. On a normal fork the shock is having to deal with the up and down motion, but also with the twisting forces placed on the fork. The linkage for separates those. The shocks only have to control the up and down motion. It would probably just need a little fine tuning. Also, you would have to look at the geometry before hand and match it to what comes off.
Looks like a crosslink fork introduced by Noleen/Girvin in the late 1990s. They worked well, came in aluminum and carbon fiber versions, and some of them were paired with K2 computerized smart shocks.
Linkage forks are the future. Not having the geometry change under load is huge. I would love to try one of these.
Jeff No way that's going to happen. It'll always remain a gimmicky product with a cult following.
Haha, I love when people want to talk about my kit, it's part of what I love about riding a Pole Evolink :D
If I weren't already so happy with my fork I would have thought about giving this a go, but seems like it has a lot of disadvantages over a regular fork and not too much else.
Maybe with the higher ride height, you could drop your stack height a little too.
I've essentially gathered that the Trust forks are better for plowing head on into stuff so more horizontal hits not vertical hits that you would get from going down steps or off drops and jumps. Never ridden one so no personal experience with it.
I just got into the bike scene so correct me if I'm wrong but if the fork felt stiff at low speeds, can't you just lower the psi so it's not as stiff?
They had the perfect chance to name that fork "THE MANTIS"
"... to fork over the cash... for a fork..." hehe
Nice
😜🚴🚴 great Stuff Eric Some nice trails 😜👌
Have you tried the Lauf fork as well? I have one on my CX/gravel bike and I have found that it works really well at cornering and fast speeds dampening all the little bumps down the road. They do make a mountain bike and fat bike specific fork as well.
Like it. I think it would be fugly in a classic bike but I want it for the design. I like hardtails with tightly controlled forks.
Can you buy one with a 1 1/8 steerer ?
Yea my favorite trails. Somo!!!
LegitMTBer DC is my fav
I have to admit, I've never really been a fan of linkage fork design. It looks bulky and heavy. I think I'll just stick with the traditional fork designs.
And as always, it's wonderful to see stuff in my home state.
Stay upright and keep the rubber side down!
-Brian
To be fair, at these price points, I think a say in the matter is all that most of us can get regarding these forks. Would like to try one tho!
This would look sick on the Druid
7:41 that guitar riff reminds me of John Lee Hooker - Boom Boom.🙂
Used to ride South Mountain in 2000-2002. I can't believe how crowded it is now days (when is see the area on videos like yours).
Hey Eric!
I live in a small town in California with some epic off grid hand cut trails. We’re just south of Montaño de oro and would love to let you in on our secret trails! Thanks love the videos.
Gatekeeper
Wish I'd known you were in my back yard, dude! And dang, that fork *looks* heavy.
Will Patterson they are full carbon
Will Patterson it’s fairly comparable to anything else in the same travel category. Just 30-40 grams heavier.
Nice mtb so beautiful trail so awesome 😍😍
I wish I had a mountain bike so I could go biking with my dad but I don’t have enough to get one that would do the job.
loved the pun at 9:40
At 2:26 the break rotor is mounted the other way around.
K
rearward axle path going crazy right now. wonder what would have happened if Trust was still around
Try out fox’s electronically controlled suspension. It stiffens and compresses dynamically relative to the trail.
Your a amazing RUclipsr and inspire me and I would love you to create more often but I do know how difficult it is
I love my trust. I'll never go back
Have you tried them with lower psi in them? Does it soften up?
Ive never uaed them but everyone seems to mention how stiff it is
@@rajgill7576 I run about 100 psi and 2 tokens. I would recommend messing around with the psi and tuning it to your preference.
@@graysonrides6746 thats on the lower end isnt it, i run like 150psi
@@rajgill7576 yes, i am around 90 ish pounds.
Y'all should come out to Laguna Beach/Aliso Woods in California! Trails are steep and loose and pretty fun!
oh yes the ol lefty my friend rides with one I always have to do a double take when I see it
finally someone made a good video about this trust fork...
Saw that fork on JKW videos on the Ripmo - it’s so strange looking - hard for me to get over the aesthetics
They need a 200mm+ travel fork then I'll get interested. This is better than telescope for sure !! Just not there yet
*gasps* That Fork costs more than my used E-Allmountain Haibike? YEEET. Its nice to see engineers try out new stuff, so we can learn how to improve the standard fork :3
i feel like these trails and rocky terrain are perfect for 29ers for that rollover\
Bike theft is terribly common in central Maricopa *coughASUcough*, so owning one of these would make me really nervous.
Why? Nobody would ever steal it because it’s so god damn ugly.
Did I spy an eminent onset and maybe a haste too? Were those being demoed? You ever ridden one?
Nice video bro so amazing 👏
You guy's should try trail 101 at dreamy draw park in North Phoenix ,
That fork is more heavy?
"Fork over the cash" LOL
I LOVE Ride-in my BIKE!!!!!
Is this near bullhead golden valley and Kingman?
Nice review Eric. Balanced opinion. PRICE is exorbitant though and until price point comes down will remain an elitist fork option for most IMO. Ken
Cutting edge? The Honda Cub has been running linkage forks for 60 years
Let's just take a moment to notice the Eminent Cycles Onset LT that that guy was riding. it gets longer as the rear suspension compresses.
Crazy fork) 👍
What is wrong with the normal forks?
man i wanna try that mtb park so baaaaaad
went biking in az its so scary thinking about running into cactusus
That looks realllllly heavy
How do jumps feel with it?
Cool vid. Thanks
The only default I found is the price and it's tough to climb with!👍🏻
So sick 🤘 🤘
You’ve done or you haven’t. Like everything in the world
Those forks seem to take riders significant time to dial-in? From what I've seen about them, you simply plow into sharp edges the way you kinda' don't with telescoping forks. Rich Drew is consistently using Trust in his videos and he seems to do absolutely everything with it! The way you took the Waterfall... you were awfully confident... was that the fork?
I saw the company video demo telling riders to aim it at a curb and run square i nto it, adjust accordingly and then go trail ride.
you gonna hit santa cruz on the way up cali?
Stay gnarly, my friends...
wow FORK over the cash
Why not combine both forks in one bike?
Come to prescott Arizona please
I'm a unicyclist and would love to ride with you in the granite dells
The nose is my favorite way down the waterfall.
I think the forks are meant for xc
Gotta admit the traditional fork looks cooler and performs better
How can you afford to travel all across the United States? Do u have a regular job or
How could they have a normal job if they are in a different country
Base Ball I hope you mean state
No he’s saying since they are from Canada they can’t have a regular US job
NotStockPhoto oh I didn’t know they’re from Canada
Has everyone forgotten about the Girvin Vector linkage fork
Wait that fork uses a built in telescoping shock.. so if friction was one of the problems with conventional forks adding linkages plus that shock seems very counter productive. Simplicity is satisfaction and this just seems like hype. Good video tho.
666ImI666 it’s all about leverage ratio. With the linkage there’s more leverage to actuate the suspension. There’s basically zero breakaway force required.
Let me know when you going trought central oregon
You should ride Finns MTB park in Estrella
im thinking about how heavy that thing loooks
I want the linkage fork.
Telescoping is the action. Telescopic is the type of fork.
Why has no one commented on how smooth the footage is on his POV camera?
Are you going to go to California if u do let me know
Haha, FORK over the cash.9:40
Fork over the cash... lol. Spending too much time in the pink bike comments haha!
😎
I Always thought it was weird🤔..
its a piece o C product, i grow weary of the internet (JKW) giving it street cred. but hey you tried it w/o buying it!
Have you tried it?
@@skullsroad3642 i dont need too, i have Sixth Sense for bad design, i do however think this innovation will help the move top brands innovation, so i appreciate the attempt and advancement of suspension concept, that i do support just not at $2K
0:45 A picture of Sam pilgrims garage
Room for improvement for the fork then
why were your brakes sound so loud
As of today, pricing on the Message fork has been reduced to $1k + ( + = 1k )
The design of the standard fork is more straightforward when dealing with obstacles. The linkage fork has arrived in the wrong chronology of time. Even the linkage forks design looks like a failed engineering.
I think that depends on where the obstacle is coming from. When the obstacle comes at you from the front, evading it by moving up may not be that straightforward and uses more travel than necessary. Because that fork moves backward at the beginning of its travel instead of up, obstacles that are low and encounter the fork from the front (like smaller rocks and bumps while riding at higher speeds), the fork has an advantage over traditional forks because it moves aligned with the direction you are riding. This is why it absorbs small hits on highspeed sections so well. I would not call it failed engineering because of that. They definitely put a lot of thought in the linkage design.
Of course the downside is that it is way stiffer when the obstacle comes from the bottom. This is why it feels so bad on drops, low speed and big obstacles.
Compared to conventional forks I would not call it failed engineering but definitely less versatile. I think it was engineered for few specific tasks (cornering, high speeds, etc.). If you have much money to spare and only ride flowy, fast trails, then maybe this is the fork for you. For everyone else (including me) it is too limited in its capabilities and way too expensive (and let´s be honest, a little ugly...). But it definitely has a specific niche on the market (which is big enough to keep the company running at the moment).