Option-O Lagom Grinder Comparison (Mini, P64, P100)
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
- All three Option-O Lagom Grinders compared!
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Lagom Mini 0:23
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Finalmente, esta aquí.! Muchas gracias, Brian.
The Mini - I used my label maker to identify the lock position and also put numbers on it.
I 3d-printed a funnel to sit on top of the Mini so I can slow-feed beans (when grinding for espresso) and avoid stalling (and avoid popcorning). It works brilliantly. Also, the funnel allows me to hot-start the grinder when grinding for pour-over.
Can you share the file🥺
Are you selling them?
I’d buy a funnel/ bellow
Your comments about Niche VS Lagom Mini reflect my experience. The Mini is similar to the Niche but produces a better cup. Loud, and awkwardly tall and thin though.
dial in with the Lagom P64? Showing how to adjust the grind size for a better cup and how to dial in both for espresso and pour-over or French press. That’ll be amazing as there are no videos like that out there! I really like your content by the way, you present facts in such an easy way to understand, keep up it up, the coffee community appreciates that a lot, I certainly do!
I find your comment about 98mm brew for p100 very interesting. I heard from a few users that say, in order to do espresso on brew burrs, you are only 2 notches away from zero (touch). Doesnt that really limit your ability to go any finer and limit your self to turbos only?
Nice to know they fixed the stalling in the mini.
For P64 max RPM on it is the same as the DF64s speed (setting 4 out of 9 is a lot slower like 600rpm vs 1400) I thought it sounded about the same while grinding at the same or similar rpm but I love the smooth quiet motor on the p64. Tried a lot of grinders and I thought that one was the best in that regard (monolith flat has a high pitch wine, weber key has a reverberation noise, Eureka Atom 75 was actually good too just a slight vibration noise which was kinda nice especially considering the speed and power of that thing but that's a very different grinder. Eureka specialita was also pretty good sound wise. They do a good job quieting their grinders usually even when its grinding (Oro / XL is a bit louder though).
Putting a lid on top of the p64 quiets the grinding sound just a little otherwise then sound travels up the burr chamber. I noticed the same thing on the Monolith and df64 etc it's always a little louder without some kinda lid or bellows to block out the sound.
I never used RDT on the p64 worked alright that way.
Option-o 'Lagom' claimed the Lab sweet burrs was something they were making but they're actually working with SSP for them? I wonder how they'll compare with the ssp cast burrs.
The P100 is pretty compelling, but how do you think it compares to the Monolith Flat Max?
Any thoughts on the Mini vs a higher end hand grinder like the 1zpresso J-Max? Worth the extra $200?
What annoys me about the p64, in the USA, is that we have to go through prima. It is more expensive, and their lack of pre order is so frustrating. I would love to get a p64, but prima has annoyed me so much I will wait till their stupid agreement is over.
How much more expensive are they? In Malaysia the local distributor usually charges an extra $50-60 from the retail price.
@@haziqshams it’s about $300 more on prima… absolute bullshit
@@jonathanfong3033 whoa I had no idea!
Any international vendors that can ship the 110v model?
@@jonathanfong3033 Do you think that's because Prima pays for shipping and duty?
@@kylefurness11 perhaps but why am I paying for double shipping, shipping to their warehouse AND TO MY HOUSE? I might be able to forgive the bump in price if I could pre order to see the cost of tax and shipping I will have to pay on top of the cost they pawn off to me. My point is just that the p64 was originally a great deal (james Hoffman video) but it’s become just as expensive as the rest of the endgame grinders because of what? A middle man with bad business philosophies.
I'm one of those idiots who pulls traditional espresso shots with the p100. Still incredibly balanced with slightly higher levels of clarity, I love it!
There are dozens of us. Dozens! Guilty, as well.
@Jeff Mattel I have the 98mm HU burrs in the p100. The p64 does an excellent job with traditional shots if you are using their HU burrs as well. The MP burrs are better for drip / turbo espresso shots. That's my understanding at least. Brian can provide more insight haha.
Wait im confused why would that make you an idiot?
@@vivalasexy Its mostly a joke. I think the p100 is mostly sought after by people who like intense light roasts / turbo shots.
@@johnnyyacoub8772 True, I have heard that. Mine arrives in Feb, and most definitely will be using it for traditional shots
Hi Brian,
so are you saying the Option-O LabSweet burrs will have a different geometry to the SSP LabSweet burrs? I asked Hansung a while ago before ordering my SSP LabSweets and he said they are the same.
These have got to be the most beautiful grinders in existence!
I replaced my Commandante with the mini for pour-over. I find the mini quiet (sounds louder when recording) and not very loud at all and I also hot start without any problem 🤷♂
Is it better than comandante ?
@@muhannad8154 Once you get used to the adjustment settings, I would say yes. I purchased the moonshine burrs and am using this little grinder for some espressos. The thing is built like a tank.
why aren't the mini's being sold stateside?
Hi Regarding Lagom P64 on OPTION-0 website which of the following two burrs should I go for if I prefer less acidity and more sweetness in brewed coffee? I don’t plan to be using this grinder for Espresso.
SSP-Unimodal
Espresso/multipurpose Burrs
Or
SSP - Brew
(Unimodal v1)
How would the mini compare in grind quantity to a 1zpresso K series that also have 48mm burrs
How would you compare p64 to the df83?
If I find the RPM ramp to be annoying, would not using it be really noticeable or is it one of those features that people use because you might as well just do it?
Lagom mini, Ode 2 or C40. Only do pour over and would like some clarity upgrades from my Timemore C3. Never tried any flat burrs. Mostly do light to medium roast.
I went through the same decision making process, went for the Lagom mini and have no regrets. Considering also grabbing a 64 mm flat burr a year in but I love my Lagom mini. I was worried about getting fine enough with the Ode and I disliked the big hopper it has. The Lagom is just so small, great for my small kitchen
any photo or link to buy 98 brewing burr you recommend thanks
I've been waiting to pull the trigger on a grinder to replace my porlex that will do mostly filter but will be able to do espresso in the future sub $500 and won't require lots of modeling. The mini seems the clear option unless there's anything else you have in mind
There's nothing better than the mini in my opinion
I think the mini is fantastic unless you want to continue exploring the world of handgrinders!
Is there a winner between the Zerno with blind burs and the P64? Thank you for all your videos.
how about the mini vs the new df54 for an 'entry' level machine (my oxo isn't cutting it)
One important point: P64 has much better alignment when is is compared to other cheap 64mm grinder. It will affect extraction and tasted
Do the SSP Cast burrs really change with seasoning? Because (for espresso) I haven't found the clarity to be anywhere near the SSP MP burrs, it's more like a decent conical burr to me. Lots of body, not too much clarity.
Update: I think I didn't love the SSP Cast burrs because the alignment wasn't perfect, and they really need a good alignment for clarity. The other burrs I really like, like the SSP MP, I suspect even if your alignment is off, since it's so unimodal it's still super high clarity.
Might be interesting to see how they work for Aeropress though since they're originally designed more for coarser brews I believe. Just tried it with a weird coffee (which I didn't love but figured it might be ok for aeropress, but nope) at lower AND higher RPM, not bad, once I get the MP burrs back in the Lagom P64 it will be interesting to compare the two for aeropress. I think it's similar to how espresso works with the cast burrs, there's more body than MP so people who prefer more traditional coffee would like it vs the MP but if you value clarity the MP is likely the better option.
I was surprised there was just a subtle difference between the SSP Cast burrs at highest vs lowest RPM not as dramatic as I thought it would be. Maybe a tiny bit more clarity, less bitterness in the low RPM but in High RPM I think there was maybe more complexity and a longer lingering aftertaste (which was kinda weird but I think that was just because the coffee was weird).
Sold my SSP 64mm Cast burrs, they turned the expensive P64 or DF64 into something that tastes like it might be out of a much cheaper conical burr grinder (might as well save money and get one of those!). I didn't bother seasoning them though, I didn't want to waste 20-30lbs of coffee, or suffer through a bunch of Meh coffee and waste the potential of good quality light roasted coffees before it started to have some flavour clarity! I have the Option-O Mizen Burrs coming hopefully soon which are similar to the SSP cast burrs but from what I've heard so far, they do have higher flavour clarity out of the box so they hopefully get even better and don't require so much seasoning. Most flat burrs I've had besides the SSP cast burrs seem like they don't really require seasoning, I've had some conical burrs that weren't so great until they were seasoned so I believe it's USUALLY more important to season conicals!
What specifically is the metal container you use to pour beans into the grinders? I need something bigger than the cup that comes w the p64 and still pours beans easily.
That is the catch cup for the Urbanic 070S!
Is there a burr for the P100 that can produce higher body chocolaty shots like P64 cast burrs or P64 HU burrs? The only thing holding me back from getting the P100 is that it seems an only clarity shot grinder. I love high clarity, but I also like high body chocolaty shots. I would like the option to simply change burrs when needed, but at that burr size I dont know of any burrs that give high body.
You could literally get the lagom mini for less than the cost of another burr and it would be good for more body shots
The P64 is what I would buy if I was going to start over today. Unfortunately I just can't justify it to myself because what I already have and use (a Specialita modded for single dosing) is perfectly adequate (and already paid for.)
Can you elaborate a bit as to why the P64 would be the grinder for you, and what your journey has looked like thus far?
@@JusBThankful I like the fact it's designed to be a single dose grinder, has a very large burr size with multiple options available to choose from, has variable rpm built in, is aesthetically pleasing (to me), I like the size and operation of the grind adjustment mechanism, and can be used for both espresso and pour over. My current setup is a Decent DE1Pro, a Flair lever (signature) Kalita wave, a V60, a aeropress, and a Clever Dipper. My current grinders are the Eureka Mignon Specialita, a Ode with unimodal ssp burrs, and a 1Zpresso JX Pro. In the past I've owned a fully modded gaggia classic, a mokapot, several french presses, a chemex, and several drip machines. As far as grinders, I've owned the bodum grinder, the v1 Rok manual grinder, a Timemore chestnut v2 and a porlex. I prefer medium to light roast beans, mostly Ethiopian (Sidamo, Yergecheffe, etc. ) I drink mostly flat whites. I hope this helps.
Hey Brian, I have a Lagom P100 on order! I'm exclusively a brew/filter coffee drinker. Right now it's being built with a SSP 98mm High Uniformity burr. From what I've read the SSP Brew burrs sound almost TOO clear for everyday use. What other burrs would you suggest to mess around with for an exclusively brew drinker like me?
I've reached out to Lagom and they've said they would even work with me to source different burrs. But I can always change burrs after I receive the unit.
Thanks in advance!
Man I'm jelly, P100 + vintage spring lever sounds like an incredible experience
I've been using Brew for several months now, all the warnings people gave me about Brews being boring or too clinical, none of that turned out true for me personally. However I interpret them as very, as the british say, quaffable. The body is delicate in a lovely thin manner that makes it easy to go through many cups without feeling palate fatigue or ever feeling like your chewing on a too thick body. It reminds me of when I nail a pot of exquisite tea and it's so sweet on its own that I can't help but want to down it too fast. It'll come down to personal preference though if you'd prefer a tad bit more blended body or not from the other burrs, but I personally say to not hesitate to try Brews if you have any curiosity whatsoever. The HU burr will have a lot of fines for brewing as it's intended more for espresso.
Also will differ for others but I find the hyper clarity nothing but a perk as it encourages me in a fun and enlightening way to explore and find new delicious and lighter roasted beans that reveal bright fruits and florals. As a runner up recommendation, no personal experience with it but I know several lovers of the ULF in my group who say it's an excellent brew burr with a bit more blending going on. LUs are similar but different as well. I'd say ULF if you discover you prefer a bit of blended body, and Brew if you can't stand your curiosity anymore. But I wouldn't go HU for only filter.
Hey Brian, great video as usual. Are the silver knight ssp what you mean when you refer to the cast lab sweets for the p64?
Hi Josh,
Silver Knight is just the coating so keep that in mind when picking your burrs. You can get cast lab sweet (v1/v2) in both silver knight or red speed so be aware!
@@BrianQuan oh lord thank you! I ordered from prima, I checked with them on email and phone. I hope they send the right ones, how do I check on the burr itself to see whether it's the right geometry?
@@BrianQuan they won't use the words "lab sweet" , but did confirm they are the "sweet" cast burrs 😏
Hey Brian would you recommend 98mm brew burrs for mainly espresso though ?
Only if you enjoy ONLY turbo shots and rolling the dice, some beans we can't even grind fine enough for turbo. I love my Brews but it's their biggest weakness when I want to try shots of different styles (I can't!). If you want a still clean tasting but flexible burr that still makes good filter but has an easier time to pull shots I'd try the ULF or LU.
I am reminded of an episode of Beavis and Butthead, where they were talking about being angry at numbers. “There’s like, too many of them.” 😂
now there aren't enough of them 🤣
Is the 48mm K-burr in the 1Zpresso K-plus similar to the Moonshine?
That burr is similar to the C40 burrs, and I think he said it's similar to that one here, so yep.
@@BensCoffeeRants I see. Thanks a lot.
I currently have a p64 MP and a niche. Would you trade the Niche for a lagom mini obsidian?
Yes I would
@@David-wh7rm im really considering it... may i ask why?
@@fjaviergl99 I hear a lot that the niche isn't as good as the mini
No one talks about their big 83mm conical burr grinder big they do also have that! Next one to compare? I already have too many 83mm conicals here at the moment.
Funny they got rid of the dial indicator numbers on the mini. I bet a bunch of newbs who heard the company was good but didn't know much about coffee and just wanted a fancy grinder the mini is their cheapest powered grinder so they got that and then complained numbers on it were ugly or something. Sometimes the customer is NOT always right but that's kinda sweet if that was the case and OptionO actually listened to them lol.
lol I need to chat with you more about 83mm mazzers. I think that burr kinda sucks. It extracts SO low, though I really enjoy it for filter.
@@BrianQuan Just checked out the Option-O site. They don't seem to have their big conical option anymore! Kinda sad it never got much attention.
Lower extraction maybe is why it's easy to get good results with them? Light roasts or medium for straight espresso is usually just really smooth tasting hard to get really bitter or sourness, but yeah less intensity than some other grinders. I have an HG2 and Key, the HG2 may be more seasoned and is even smoother. I've had some other conicals that seemed like they always under extracted and made sour unbalanced coffee until seasoned (Kplus and Niche) but not getting that on these pre-treated mazzer burrs.
Think coated or uncoated make any difference like HG1/prime vs HG2 or Key? I remember hearing somewhere the HG1 (Uncoated burrs) had more body and less flavour clarity, but not sure if that's actually the case. Need some confirmation :)
I don't get the Reynolds wrap comment, are you saying that if you change the burr out you still have to shim on a p64? For example I had to buy mine with a HU ssp burr but I put in a MP I already had. Would you recommend still shimming on a grinder like this? I was under the impression the machining of the burr carrier is of such a high quality it is not necessary, but this has never really been called out by anyone.
As long as the burrs are flatly machined you're unlikely to have any issues. At least for some version of the 98mm burrs there has been a shim needed because the burrs themselves are thinner than the HU burrs so without shim the carrier inner part would be slightly higher than the inner edge of the burrs.
@@Covenant-R That makes a little more sense, I was confused that he mentioned it in the p64 section cause it seems like if your putting an SSP 64 mm burr in a p64, you're putting a flatly machined burr into a well machined burr carrier and shimming seems like over kill. Thanks!
One thing worth mentioning is that there have been massive variances of some of the recent 64mm SSP! So a lot of variances are down to the burrs themselves (cast V1 lol) that required shimming in the P64. Basically burr carrier = good, but sometimes the burrs themselves will be the issue.
@@BrianQuan thanks for clarifying Brian good point I forgot that v1 cast ssp were super messed up lol
I almost turned you off when you started off by suggesting that maybe I should buy all three of them.
Brian - which would you take, the P100 or Kafetek Flat Max, if you could only have one? Ty!
AFAIK, he loves p100 workflow but loves taste of the shuriken slm in kafetek flat max
There are couple videos about it.
Workflow wise I think the P100 would be nicer, and faster to grind which is nice. Monolith flat max with the Shuriken LM burrs kinda makes a unique taste / quality to coffees, which makes things nice but not necessarily super high clarity vs the SSP burrs.
@@tob4942 thanks but I haven’t seen any content comparing the two directly… am I missing something?
@@anthonyroth1288 you are absolutely right, but IMHO, it is more about comparing burrs inside vs comparing grinder ergonomics. (Yes that is important to and there are little factors like rpm options and retention that may impact the taste) he has done videos doing burr specific comparisons.
@@tob4942 thx id like to see something from anyone on a head to head comparison - or me it seems a couple extra percent on one axis of taste vs much faster grind time - I think I would take the latter. I also like the silver P100 a lot better than the flat max, but that’s just me …
Good looking lineup, good brand uniformity, performance aside. Been considering making a switch from an MC4 to the P64 with a good all rounder burr set, possibly a P100. 70/30 espresso/filter usage ratio. Anyone done the same thing have any input?
What do you not like about the MC4? Do you want more flavour clarity?
@@BensCoffeeRants hey Ben, my man how are you? Thanks again for the detailed message you provided on your channel for me.
Yes sir, in search of further clarity. I have the standard Roburs on my MC4, but even with probably 25lbs or more on them, it's possible there's more breaking in to do. My espresso brewing is anywhere from the bean emblem on the right (little past 10) to 7.5. Most stuff I've been grinding is right in the middle of that range around 8 or 9. Other guys who ran a strict break in program of ~25lbs right out of the gate for some reason settled at 2-4, which is odd and I may inquire further with Denis about why that's the case.
As of now, on lighter roasts that work best with 1:3 or higher recommendations are coming in lacking the clarity I'm after due to fines, and I suspect further break-in isn't going to magically turn Roburs into high uniformity flats. I can't currently do crazy pre-infushions flow profiling, etc due to having a simple Rocket Giotto HX, but I'm itching for an upgrade (always like most everyone else in this dumb hobby lol)
I've also been using my Moccamaster more and have an unloved Chemex that will probably get more seat time, and limiting fines is even more important in brew it seems.
Thanks for checking in!
@@JusBThankful for higher clarity lagom p64 with ssp unimodal burrs will be great. If you got the budget p100 with their stock ssp HU should be even better. Haven't tried those yet though myself ! Make me a coffee If you get that ;)
@@BensCoffeeRants absolutely! Have you been running the P64 with the unimodals? Those are the super clear presenters if I recall correctly. If so, how are they on only "ok" coffee?
@@JusBThankful it's not great for more dark roasted coffee which I don't like usually. If you're using coffee with flavours you don't like I'd think its gonna be even worse lol. I think conical burrs and monolith flats shuriken LM burrs do a decent job of making bad coffee less bad. But I've seen managed to get some bad coffees from the monolith sometimes.
Will you review the df64p? I know it just got released but I’m so curious.
Wait, cause a bunch of people on Reddit or whatever didn’t like the numbers, option o decided to get rid of them? Thats ridiculous
Great video, but you overlooked the not-insignificant issue of not being able to actually buy a P64 - at least not here in the U.S. The single authorized retailer currently has a wait list of at least a year, so hearing someone sing the praises of this great grinder is kind of an exercise in frustration for those of us who would like nothing better to own one but can’t.
Just sold mine to someone in the US, and regretted it, then bought another one used, had to drive a few hours but made a nice trip of it!
I heard there's a year wait, but I think they may have over-estimated in hopes of over delivering maybe? I think people have been getting them recently (although not sure if some of them had been waiting for 8 months or what) :D
Just wondering, do you get paid by option O ?
No
So do you buy all those grinders and coffee machines you review? I am just curious? Do you get those products for free, how does it work? I am just wondering how one can get fair reviews is everybody is getting products for free? I have been looking at a lot of reviews, and with the exception of James Hoffmann, who is very transparent on the fact that he buys and then gives away everything he reviews, I have a hard time understanding how it all works and how much fairness it all has? @@BrianQuan
Crystal as always, a bit too long this time for the OO's family, may be some action will makes more attractive after 20 minutes talk… but this is me, good job Brian
besides all the info.. you should consider the price point. Thats one big factor your forgetting to add to your videos cheers
Option o is not a budget grinder manufacturer. Watch a different video…
I have to decide whether I get a P64 or not. I have a Niche and an Ode with the SSP multipurpose, and I use both (the Ode doesn’t have the right adjustment range, of course, but it works), but I don’t find myself necessarily preferring the SSP shots to the Niche, so I’m not sure there is much point spending the money.
I’m pretty sure I’m going to get a Mini for my fiancée to replace her Encore, though: if the grind quality is like or better than the Remi I have then the mini has to be as good as the reviewers keep saying!
Sprometheus does a video on the P64 variable rpm function with MP burrs. It may be useful to you.
If you are in the USA, not a lot of deciding to do as they are permanently out of stock.
$2000k is ridiculous for such a simple tool. That motor is made in China and probably cost $20 bucks to make. People say-the precision though… yeah a $2000 telescope has way more precision with mirrors and lenses for that money. It’s crazy what they’re charging and crazier that people pay that. Hopefully soon more honest companies come out with more realistically valued products.
$2000k is 2 million. and some people are made in china. don’t be racist
2000k ? Who is buying a million dollar grinder
@@TheKingmanthe1😂 I had to check what this bloke for banging on about. 2 mil quids for a grinder. My word
If you think it’s no problem to make grinders of these quality that can be sold at a fraction of the price and still turn a nice profit, what’s stopping you?