Time for a pinned comment covering errors and other bits: - the rubber band is really only for gripping tightly to remove the burr carrier, it can/should be left off the rest of the time. I had had it off in testing, but put it back on for the video. I apologise for this error! - It seems that some units out there have numbers that go the right way. This is even more confusing to me. - Just to be clear - the high uniformity burrs were used throughout this video, and the head to head.
If there's no consistency to the numbers for the grind setting, that would seem to be not only a maddeningly frustrating issue, but also suggestive of a lack of attention to detail that sets alarm bells ringing for what is a fairly costly piece of kit.
@@jameshoffmann How did you find the alignment and whether it kept alignment while changing? Their website said "Each critical component on Lagom P64 is specified to a tolerance of ± 0.02mm or better. In combination with the unique unibody design, the tolerance accumulation is kept to a minimum to allow for highest precision on each Lagom P64. More importantly, the alignment is permanent and the grinder can be dismantled and reassembled without worrying about losing its alignment." Which I take to mean it is self-aligning? I'm wondering if you find that claim warranted for both concentric and planar alignment.
Me: “Oh, just in time. I’ll hold off on buying an electric burr grinder till the end of this week.” James: “this grinder costs $1585, and is the cheapest of all the grinders we’ll be discussing this week.” Me: “Baratza encore it is.”
I was sort of kicking myself for having bought the Niche, then James clarified that it is $1000 more. So we are talking about different categories of price here.
Precisely! You have 6 pounds BECAUSE you are invested in reviews like this, if you weren’t you would be Warren Buffet or someone like that with zillion dollars in the bank, an old car and eating McDonald’s!
This aeropress video is getting so much hype it can't end in any other way than in a disappointment. Not even James can live up to so much expectation. Or can he...
I keep looking at the telescope grinder in the back right... more on this later this week I assume. The Niche is out of my price range so this grinder series is a lot like watching a show about supercars and how we all want to drive them.
I got the EG1 from Weber about three months now using daily side by side the Niche for espresso on the La Marzocco Linea Mini .... I love the Niche more period.
Literally, when you are paying that high a price for ANYTHING, you have every right to nit pick and be fussy otherwise why spend that kinda money. You dont buy a Bugatti and tell them just give me whatever you have....no you custom order that shit and complain if its not right
I bought a lagom last month. The first week I had it, I accidentally left it on and it was so quiet that I didn't notice for several hours that it was running.
My Lagom P64 turned up today and happy to note they listened to James and have inverted the numbers! Also the rubber ring for disassembly is now gone! I still have the ketchup pottle for RDT though :( Love it so far, so quiet and coming from a Chestnut X this wins hands down. More clarity and sweetness plus better body and a smoother finish.
Great review. The comment about not being able to determine if it's worth an extra $1k because you don't know what that amount /means/ to the listener is insightful and immensely appreciated. I regret to be the one to post the 667th comment but there we have it.
I've been using my Lagom (black) now for a couple of months and love it. I agree with comments on the dosing cup and whilst the numbers are confusing at first once you get used to them it disappears as an issue. Its well made and makes great espresso
Never have I been more excited by a series of videos. Thanks, James! If I win one of the grinders in the patreon giveaway I will be through the roof, admittedly, but even if I don't and never buy one I'm enamoured with just watching you review expensive coffee grinders.
This is literally going to be the only comprehensive review of all these grinders. I think we (who are looking to buy a single dose grinder) are always getting a list of exactly these grinders. Yet there are not so many reviews for them. Can’t wait for the next!
Thank you James! I am so looking forward to the other reviews. What was conspicuously absent in this review however, was any mention of "retention", which is a major consideration when choosing a single dose coffee grinder.
James you've done so much to improve our appreciation for coffee. Eager to see a grinder showdown of less expensive (under $500?) grinders especially for single dose espresso if that exists.
Thanks James, I enjoyed the review and look forward to seeing if you review the Kafatek Monolith. (I have the Flat version). For the Lagom your pros and cons match mine, my main issue is the numbers on the dial. I've had the grinder for a few months and am using it strictly for Filter coffee with the Unimodal burr set. Eventually I may try it for espresso. I really like the quality of the build, the solid design, that it is very quiet and of course that it makes a great cup of coffee consistently. I've seen that a few people have suggested the dosing cup supposed to fit in the portafilter forks of the Lagom, but this is definitely not the case, it fits & works better on top as you've shown in your video. I've tried using the dosing cup with my Monolith Flat, and the open side of the support ring does allow it to fit it under the exit chute neatly. All the best.
The overpoweredness of this series is what makes it powerful. Love it. And here I am with my Hario Mini-Slim Pro manual grinder that takes me 5mins to grind. But boy, is it worth it! Thanks for recommending that, James.
This will be a great showdown. I've been waiting for the Lagom P64 review ever since I saw it hanging out in the background of an older video. Definitely one of my top choices when I upgrade my grinder.
Being a photographer as well as a coffee maniac, the thumbnail for this had me intrigued about this new specialty lens. What a happy surprise. It's rare that clickbait checks off two of my passions with one click. As a recent, and quite content, Baratza Encore user this class of grinder is beyond my current needs and if I'm going for a 1000.00 upgrade, It's going to be a lens. Great video and boy is that baby quiet!
Wait, no discussion about retention? I feel like that’s a paramount topic when it comes to “single dosing” home grinders, and my understanding was that due to centrifugal force vs gravity, a flat burr grinder always necessarily has significant retention. And at that price point I would hope that it would have ~zero retention!
I've had a lagom since November and can report that there is practically no retention, like, after a month of using it, there wasn't even a gram. There is a video on youtube about retention on the lagom, you should search for it, I'm too lazy to do that for you
Thanks James, just bought P-64 ... it’s all your fault 😉 Looking forward using great looking machine and even better coffee. Next one is again yours “Eagle One Prima “ - You just costed me 10k - happy as never before 👍🏼 Happy New Year
You know you're deep into a hobby when you see the thumbnail and think 'here we go, now I need a microscope in my kitchen' and there's nothing weird about it
At Last! I have mine on pre-order from Option-o, a friend of mine bought one and that was the trigger for me deciding in buying it! I do agree with all the little annoyances you have James (the numbers seem counterintuitive on both dials) but everything else was a charm; the workflow, the quite it is, the aesthetics. And considering the next grinder near to its price that I had in mind for buying (the Levercraft) is almost $1,000 more, this was the option(-o) for me! :D
Just a head's up to everyone: The P64 is back in stock at Prima as of today. Price has gone up since James's review, so my order with the 3 yr protection plan came to $2518. There were no burr options available when I ordered - it was the "standard burr set". Thanks again to James for his diligence on these reviews!
Mr. Hoffman. Once again, thanks for such a great video. Stumbled upon your channel some months ago. A few times I’ve wanted to comment and realized I locked myself out of comments. Finally figured it out. Keep up the nice work.
"I paid $1585 for this" *WAIT - HOW MUCH?!* "This is by far the cheapest grinder in this particular series." *CRIES IN POOR PERSON 😭* Quality content as always from James, but geez, those sort of prices...
Love, love love my Lagom P-64. My experiences pretty much mirror James'. I have the high uniformity espresso burrs and they are perfect for my tastes - a lovely balance of acidity but still with good body. I'm getting equally great results from both lighter and darker roasts. I had the same issue with the portafilter falling out due to the smaller lugs and angled handle. I solved the issue by changing to a PF with a level handle, but still with smaller lugs (ECM to Profitec). So now gravity and vibrations don't lever the PF free. The reverse numbering for grinding is a minor irritant at first, but I don't even look at the numbers now - just the individual notches. And the grinder's styling is gorgeous in the metal. Overall, This is the best grinder I've owned by a mile. It's a keeper.
Fun fact if you don’t already know: ”Lagom” sort of means ”enough” or ”just right” in swedish and furthermore there is also some pride between swedes in that there is no perfect translation for the word ”lagom”. //swede.
James, i’m so glad you are doing this for us. I’m in the market for a new grinder and i’m not afraid of spending a lot, but this serie should help me make up my mind. Thanks. Love your vids ( in general) always fantastic topics.
When you unscrewed the top at 9:19 those were the unimodal burrs, right? A bit confusing since you say you only used the high uniformity burrs for testing and during the video
I would be curious to see this compared the single-dosing version of the Ceado E5P, which can accommodate the same SSP burrs. I would love to have it compared for workflow, grind quality/espresso quality, and grind retention.
Before I started watching this channel I was an average guy drinking his coffee by the bucket load with a normal coffee machine. Now I own a Moka pot, aeropress, french press, a hand grinder and different types of coffee beans. James, you've utterly corrupted me you bastard.
Don’t forget the chemex and siphon coffee makers. I have one hand grinder, but it may get upgraded soon. And I have already upgraded my electric grinder several times, passing on the lesser contenders to family and friends. I’m not saving money by making my coffee at home, that’s certain...
2:20 Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the answer to this is that most flat burrs produce bimodal grind distributions (essentially the largest modal point represents where your grind setting is, and the lower modal point is much smaller, basically fines), whereas the unimodal is engineered to largely get rid of fines. They both produce quite low fines and low variance distributions, but I have seen from graphs that the unimodal burrs seem to get rid of fines but have slightly more variation in grind size, whereas high uniformity has slightly less variation in grind size but also has more fines.
I recently got a Eureka Olympus 75, after asking my local espresso repair guy what he recommended. For the price and what it delivers I am very happy with it. It can only grind for espresso.
I think the point of the dosing cup's lip absence is to accommodate the back of the portafilter fork when you seat the dosing cup between the fork tines like the portafilter's tabs.
This grinder looks so solid. For espresso I personally use a sette 30 with the sette 270 adapter so its basically a 270. Very very loud and I have had a sette 30 break on me after only 1 week of use and they gave me a very hard time to replace it causing me to go without a grinder for 4 months. I'm not sure I want to spent this much on a grinder but I'm exploring other options between 600-1000$. The sette is also horrendous at single dose so you have to keep your hopper half filled. The grind quality and how much I understand the grinder making very little waste when dialing in. How loud and cheap it sounds is the biggest drawback and the fear of it breaking. I like the niche but its very hard to access in canada. I use a Gaggia classic from 1992 that I have restored fuly including all seals, all gaskets, new shower screen, new steam valve and a PID added aswell as bottomless portafilter. Please comment with some recommendations for a grinder that is consistent, good for single dose, and not insanely loud.
The gap on the dosing cup might have been carved out to make it easier for use on other grinders - especially the EK-43. Some other dosing cups like the one from Acaia have similar structures. Still I don't get it whether this is necessary for a dosing cup which should be dedicated to Lagom P64. Thanks for the great review.
@Peter Ward Peter, thank you for your warm comment. I hope you enjoyed your stay here. I also believe it would be great to have Korean closed captions here; James provides very high quality videos that worth better accessibility around the globe.
I'm late to this and maybe someone said it before but here it goes: The larger number = finer grind does make perfect sense. You can go infinitely smaller but beans can only grow to a particular size (size 0 = not ground). It's the same case with whetstones and sandpaper. Higher number = finer grit.
I, understandably, see people comment on the high price of this grinder. I work in an industry that also produces similiary sized products with very high manufacturing standards (albeit B2B, not consumer) and want to give some insight on the pricing of products like this: First of all, there are no scaling effects for high numbers here. The company probably sells a few hundred of these per year and manufactures everything in a large batch and stocks it for months to come. They have to pay for setting up the machines for the production run, pay for a bunch of sample pieces until the process runs smoothly and cannot benefit from a well running, fine tuned assembly that churns out part after part without having to set up the process over and over again. Second, you pay for a lot of things you don't see. A lot of the materials here seem quite expensive like the grind cup and funnel which are made of milled aluminum rather than stamped sheet material like the cheap dosing cup. The materials are than treated for surface finish, for instance by sand blasting for the matte finish. And finally I would assume that a product like this undergoes thorough quality testing, measuring if parts are in tolerances etc. These steps will be done manually since setting up automated measuring isn't feasible for testing just a few hundred pieces. Man power is expensive.
Regarding to something better in the same price range. What about the Ceado E37 SD, it is something like 10-15% more expensive, but with 83mm Titanium flat burrs. What do you think about that one?
It doesn’t get a lot of love but I’ve had a Quamar M80E for several years now and it’s a great machine. Interestingly it’s got almost no static trouble. The only negatives for me is that the 63mm burrs are an odd size and it’s a stepped dial. But really a great affordable hopper grinder.
@@nowtacoma its probably best to just buy preground regularly from a local roastery or cafe, beats the huge investment in the grinder, is always constant for one coffee, and lets you start with a second hand Gaggia or rancilo silva for as little as 200€ or so
@@izarscharf7845 No it's not. Buy a good hand grinder, there are plenty of budget options (many of which JH has covered). Espresso can be done affordably, but if your starting point robs you of the ability to learn the dial-in process, it's a waste of money and will potentially put you off making it at all. I started with a Flair (back when there was only the one option) and a Helor 101. I know own the Lagom and I still use a Flair; that should tell you how much more important the grinder is for good coffee than the machine/prep method.
@@instantkamera fr i use an 1zpresso jx-pro and actually prefer it to using my encore. same price, but quicker, more consistent, and can grind finer for dialing in. the baratza makes pots of coffee, the 1zpresso makes shots!
"Lagom" means "enough","just enough" in Swedish. Makes for a second of major confusion and then the base for a good joke, as this seems to be anything than lagom.
Having watched the pain in his eyes when the portafilter fell on the counter, and the scrambled egg video how about us less skilled viewers send in videos of our morning routine for James to critique/suffer severe mental torture. Would make excellent content 🙂
I wish that you would test for retention. Considering that it's a single dose grinder, how much coffee do you get out of it if you put a certain amount in if the grinder was just cleaned? But great video anyway, as always. Looking forward to the rest of the week
Oh, I have so been looking forward to this series! It's off to a great start. This is certainly a very interesting grinder. I'm curious about using the same, single-dosing, zero retention grinder for both pour-overs and espressos at home, and the Lagom is a great contender, especially since the Niche has been out of stock since forever. By the way, I'm surprised you didn't mention the meaning of the word "lagom" in Swedish. Perhaps you did not know? It's a word that is often touted as uniquely Swedish. It means something akin to "not too much, not too little, but just right" and can be used about quantities, temperatures, or just about anything. The word is said to be representative of the consensual and diplomatic nature of Swedes. I'm not sure if this is where they took the name from, but it since likely, since the word has gained some international popularity in the last few years.
![Lagom P64 Zero Calibration [Aug 2022]](/img/1.gif)
Time for a pinned comment covering errors and other bits:
- the rubber band is really only for gripping tightly to remove the burr carrier, it can/should be left off the rest of the time. I had had it off in testing, but put it back on for the video. I apologise for this error!
- It seems that some units out there have numbers that go the right way. This is even more confusing to me.
- Just to be clear - the high uniformity burrs were used throughout this video, and the head to head.
If there's no consistency to the numbers for the grind setting, that would seem to be not only a maddeningly frustrating issue, but also suggestive of a lack of attention to detail that sets alarm bells ringing for what is a fairly costly piece of kit.
James, you missed out the easy cleaning with no tools required at all. Alignment worth highlight too.
I think I covered the no tools required aspect, which is something I really like.
I believe the lip on the dosing cup slides in between the portafilter forks with the gap facing the machine?
@@jameshoffmann How did you find the alignment and whether it kept alignment while changing? Their website said "Each critical component on Lagom P64 is specified to a tolerance of ± 0.02mm or better. In combination with the unique unibody design, the tolerance accumulation is kept to a minimum to allow for highest precision on each Lagom P64. More importantly, the alignment is permanent and the grinder can be dismantled and reassembled without worrying about losing its alignment."
Which I take to mean it is self-aligning? I'm wondering if you find that claim warranted for both concentric and planar alignment.
"I'm being fussy, but that's kind of my job"
Yes it is James. Yes it is.
Ventured into the comments to look for a one like this haha.
@@connormatthews522 As did I.
it's certainly why we're here
Well, if I bought 1 and half grand worth of coffee grinder, I have the privilige for being fussy, ain't I?
@@gluedmango jokes apart, I think that this is key to understand this week's reviews
Me: “Oh, just in time. I’ll hold off on buying an electric burr grinder till the end of this week.”
James: “this grinder costs $1585, and is the cheapest of all the grinders we’ll be discussing this week.”
Me: “Baratza encore it is.”
I have a Baratza Sette 30 and its brilliant. You can easily upgrade to the 270 burrs if needed too!
The prices are insane. My other half teases me for spending £100 on a Wilfa Svart!
Niche Zero
@@a1970gto Perfect balance between performance and affordability.
I was sort of kicking myself for having bought the Niche, then James clarified that it is $1000 more. So we are talking about different categories of price here.
James, this is going to be a fantastic week.
^
^^
It can only get better if at the end of it all he gives us his Aeropress video
A week to look forward to😇
Why I, with 6 pounds in the bank, am so invested in reviews like this, is a mystery
Gives you a different topic of conversation with your bank manager? 🤔😂
phew... i thought i was the only one.
This is right up there with that video on how to butcher a cow carcass. Riveting viewing! ;)
Aspirations? Just in case
Precisely! You have 6 pounds BECAUSE you are invested in reviews like this, if you weren’t you would be Warren Buffet or someone like that with zillion dollars in the bank, an old car and eating McDonald’s!
If the ground coffee shot back out of the top like a mortar it would be perfect
Congrats for the best comment of the thread
😂
Thank you for the laugh my friend 😂😂
Fire in the hole!
LOL
It's finally here fellas.
Grinder week, not the aeropress vid of course.
at least we got the steam wand eggs out of the way before this
I'm still waiting for The Decaf Project with morbid curiosity
or the bialetti brikka vid
This aeropress video is getting so much hype it can't end in any other way than in a disappointment. Not even James can live up to so much expectation. Or can he...
I keep looking at the telescope grinder in the back right... more on this later this week I assume.
The Niche is out of my price range so this grinder series is a lot like watching a show about supercars and how we all want to drive them.
thats the WeberWorks grinder you're talking about which he said he'll review tomorrow.
that may be THE supercar of grinders
That’ll be Harry’s garage then.
Hahaha yeah the one you're talking about is a 4k grinder, definitely a supercar in the world of coffee grinders
I got the EG1 from Weber about three months now using daily side by side the Niche for espresso on the La Marzocco Linea Mini .... I love the Niche more period.
@@NB-tv4cr hahaha that's great considering i could never afford the eg1 but my niche will arrive next month :D
"I am being fussy", when you pay $1200 for a grinder you have the right to be..
1800 and it's the cheapest of the series 👀
Literally, when you are paying that high a price for ANYTHING, you have every right to nit pick and be fussy otherwise why spend that kinda money. You dont buy a Bugatti and tell them just give me whatever you have....no you custom order that shit and complain if its not right
Forget the aeropress video, let's get a tutorial on the Hoffmann hair
Don't give him ideas for more filler videos..
Very cold and windy outside, frozen wind swept hair gell look!
Hair tutorial ...That is fast becoming irrelevant to me 😩
It’s pretty much the same content:
- Don’t over-agitate
- no need to pre infuse
- Beware the inverted method. You may get hurt
The hair tutorial video will actually be the Aeropress video set to be released on Apr 1
it was so quiet i almost cried
I bought a lagom last month. The first week I had it, I accidentally left it on and it was so quiet that I didn't notice for several hours that it was running.
It's absolutely quiet! When paired with a Cafetlat Robot, it makes for a very quiet and enjoyable morning coffee experience.
I was looking away and didn't even notice that he had turned it on. I really thought that he had skipped that part and was just showing the result.
It makes me irrationally angry at my baratze sette.
*"I don't know what a thousand dollars means to you."*
- James Hoffman
My Lagom P64 turned up today and happy to note they listened to James and have inverted the numbers! Also the rubber ring for disassembly is now gone! I still have the ketchup pottle for RDT though :(
Love it so far, so quiet and coming from a Chestnut X this wins hands down. More clarity and sweetness plus better body and a smoother finish.
I love how this grinder looks like a little person in a top hat who holds the cup as they eject coffee from their nose
I was just thinking that I would adorn this with googly eyes
Can’t unsee it.
I'm so hyped for this showdown!
Didn't expect to see you over here @Drae. Love the channel man.
Are you a coffee fan, @drae? Surprised to see you here!
@@SuperPeterpaan Yes I am!
@@drae Awesome to see you here, brother! Keep it caffeinated! ❤️❤️❤️
Stoked for that Lyn Weber review.
Ok looks I'll keep smashing cinder blocks together to grind my coffee.
Which vendor do you like? I'm partial to Midwest Products Group; good weight/$ ratio, but maybe not the most robust.
Great review. The comment about not being able to determine if it's worth an extra $1k because you don't know what that amount /means/ to the listener is insightful and immensely appreciated.
I regret to be the one to post the 667th comment but there we have it.
Even Hoffman’s hair is more excited than usual!
I've been using my Lagom (black) now for a couple of months and love it. I agree with comments on the dosing cup and whilst the numbers are confusing at first once you get used to them it disappears as an issue. Its well made and makes great espresso
James, your reviews are super nice to watch, your channel is a treasure on RUclips!
Mr. Hoffman, you have singlehandedly upped my covid coffee game. Cheers to you, sir.
Thank you, James, for your exquisite commentary. I dropped $1750 on the P64 this week, and I have no regrets.
The grind size dial thought process reminds me of the way sand paper grit is measured.
Love that you called out the lack of price transparency
What a brilliant entertainer! The idea of an entire week is awesome! Thank you for all the effort, I love your work
Never have I been more excited by a series of videos. Thanks, James!
If I win one of the grinders in the patreon giveaway I will be through the roof, admittedly, but even if I don't and never buy one I'm enamoured with just watching you review expensive coffee grinders.
This is literally going to be the only comprehensive review of all these grinders. I think we (who are looking to buy a single dose grinder) are always getting a list of exactly these grinders. Yet there are not so many reviews for them. Can’t wait for the next!
Thank you James! I am so looking forward to the other reviews. What was conspicuously absent in this review however, was any mention of "retention", which is a major consideration when choosing a single dose coffee grinder.
James you've done so much to improve our appreciation for coffee. Eager to see a grinder showdown of less expensive (under $500?) grinders especially for single dose espresso if that exists.
Check out his review of the DF64-there are also newer versions of it now that address some of his concerns.
That little inadvertent smirk at 3:25 brought a smile to my face
And in today's episode of "Is it better than the Niche?"...
Answer = yes. Miles better, in my opinion. I've owned both.
@@stevenswann3254 nice edit ;)
@@eltakeiteasy Yeah, the fact I've owned both gave my original comment context. ;-)
Thanks James, I enjoyed the review and look forward to seeing if you review the Kafatek Monolith.
(I have the Flat version). For the Lagom your pros and cons match mine, my main issue is the numbers on the dial. I've had the grinder for a few months and am using it strictly for Filter coffee with the Unimodal burr set. Eventually I may try it for espresso.
I really like the quality of the build, the solid design, that it is very quiet and of course that it makes a great cup of coffee consistently. I've seen that a few people have suggested the dosing cup supposed to fit in the portafilter forks of the Lagom, but this is definitely not the case, it fits & works better on top as you've shown in your video. I've tried using the dosing cup with my Monolith Flat, and the open side of the support ring does allow it to fit it under the exit chute neatly.
All the best.
The Finale: he will have a showdown of the grinders in this series and use the winner to grind the beans for his Aeropress technique video.
The overpoweredness of this series is what makes it powerful. Love it.
And here I am with my Hario Mini-Slim Pro manual grinder that takes me 5mins to grind. But boy, is it worth it! Thanks for recommending that, James.
This will be a great showdown. I've been waiting for the Lagom P64 review ever since I saw it hanging out in the background of an older video. Definitely one of my top choices when I upgrade my grinder.
Being a photographer as well as a coffee maniac, the thumbnail for this had me intrigued about this new specialty lens. What a happy surprise. It's rare that clickbait checks off two of my passions with one click. As a recent, and quite content, Baratza Encore user this class of grinder is beyond my current needs and if I'm going for a 1000.00 upgrade, It's going to be a lens. Great video and boy is that baby quiet!
Wait, no discussion about retention? I feel like that’s a paramount topic when it comes to “single dosing” home grinders, and my understanding was that due to centrifugal force vs gravity, a flat burr grinder always necessarily has significant retention. And at that price point I would hope that it would have ~zero retention!
Yes. Need to know retention. That will be a significant difference between these grinders. I think.
Had the same thought and I imagine this will be discussed in the head-to-head between all the grinders
We gotta push this post up
I've had a lagom since November and can report that there is practically no retention, like, after a month of using it, there wasn't even a gram. There is a video on youtube about retention on the lagom, you should search for it, I'm too lazy to do that for you
I'm pretty sure this one will be covered in the Finale of the series
Thanks James, just bought P-64 ... it’s all your fault 😉
Looking forward using great looking machine and even better coffee.
Next one is again yours “Eagle One Prima “ - You just costed me 10k - happy as never before 👍🏼 Happy New Year
You know you're deep into a hobby when you see the thumbnail and think 'here we go, now I need a microscope in my kitchen' and there's nothing weird about it
Yep, I thought it was a perfectly sensible kitchen coffee microscope as well.
@@SImonDeLikaeble - A mans got to be able check his grind size down to the nearest micron
At Last! I have mine on pre-order from Option-o, a friend of mine bought one and that was the trigger for me deciding in buying it! I do agree with all the little annoyances you have James (the numbers seem counterintuitive on both dials) but everything else was a charm; the workflow, the quite it is, the aesthetics. And considering the next grinder near to its price that I had in mind for buying (the Levercraft) is almost $1,000 more, this was the option(-o) for me! :D
James hoffman reviews microscopes week
Honestly thought that’s what it was from the fingernail.
Mr Hoffman new 2021 studio just gave us a week of bliss
When your Swedish eyes sees the word lagom you instantly watch.
Just a head's up to everyone: The P64 is back in stock at Prima as of today. Price has gone up since James's review, so my order with the 3 yr protection plan came to $2518. There were no burr options available when I ordered - it was the "standard burr set". Thanks again to James for his diligence on these reviews!
Right until you poured the beans I was like ... oh snap he’s doing a episode about a microscope?
Same reaction here... OMG is he REALLY going to check ground coffee with THAT ? Then I realized "that" was the grinder...
I mean, I’d watch it 🤷🏻♂️
@@benjamincottle8500 I’d watch James review toilet paper
Mr. Hoffman. Once again, thanks for such a great video. Stumbled upon your channel some months ago. A few times I’ve wanted to comment and realized I locked myself out of comments. Finally figured it out. Keep up the nice work.
"I'm being fussy, but that's kind of my job" on a mug/t-shirt please.
Yes!
Seconded!
for sure!!!
Would LOVE to wear this!
Absolutelly!!
The film making has hit the next level on this channel, well done 👌
"I paid $1585 for this"
*WAIT - HOW MUCH?!*
"This is by far the cheapest grinder in this particular series."
*CRIES IN POOR PERSON 😭*
Quality content as always from James, but geez, those sort of prices...
There's a reason why Crack is Cheaper.
I play this when my wife is in the room. Me wanting a 9Barista doesn't seem too bad.
Love, love love my Lagom P-64. My experiences pretty much mirror James'. I have the high uniformity espresso burrs and they are perfect for my tastes - a lovely balance of acidity but still with good body. I'm getting equally great results from both lighter and darker roasts. I had the same issue with the portafilter falling out due to the smaller lugs and angled handle. I solved the issue by changing to a PF with a level handle, but still with smaller lugs (ECM to Profitec). So now gravity and vibrations don't lever the PF free. The reverse numbering for grinding is a minor irritant at first, but I don't even look at the numbers now - just the individual notches. And the grinder's styling is gorgeous in the metal. Overall, This is the best grinder I've owned by a mile. It's a keeper.
Hi! Do you do any other brews at all? I am torn on what burrs to select. I do mainly espresso, but do enjoy a good V60 a few times pr week as well.
The real test would be which "Supergrinder" could make cheap stale beans grind into tastiest espresso ! 🤣
This is seriously seriously going to make my week, thanks a million
Fun fact if you don’t already know:
”Lagom” sort of means ”enough” or ”just right” in swedish and furthermore there is also some pride between swedes in that there is no perfect translation for the word ”lagom”.
//swede.
James, i’m so glad you are doing this for us. I’m in the market for a new grinder and i’m not afraid of spending a lot, but this serie should help me make up my mind. Thanks. Love your vids ( in general) always fantastic topics.
"I'm being fussy but..." No... No buts for something that pricey.
“I’m being fussy, but that’s kind of my job” I friggin love this man!!
When you unscrewed the top at 9:19 those were the unimodal burrs, right? A bit confusing since you say you only used the high uniformity burrs for testing and during the video
Yes it was the unimodal burrs for sure. I have both 😂
Yes James, being fussy is indeed your job and we love you for it.
I would be curious to see this compared the single-dosing version of the Ceado E5P, which can accommodate the same SSP burrs. I would love to have it compared for workflow, grind quality/espresso quality, and grind retention.
ITS STARTING!!! So excited for this batch of videos.
“It wrecks my head”
I understand
We love you for being "fussy" because only honest review will make producers do quality work.
Since this is clearly out of my price range, I'm afraid I spent the whole video admiring your hairdo. 'The Hoffman' 🤭
I've been wanting to buy a Lagom but figured I'd wait for this showdown before deciding.
I'm super excited for this week's videos!
This grinder looks awesome!
Love your work James
We need a p100 review
The showdown we all wanted! Thanks so much for doing this!
When you spend enough money on coffee related items to run a cafe but are serving only yourself...😅
Thanks James, I appreciate the note about the spray. I have a really old "Salton" burr grinder, and the statics are terrible. I'm sure this will help!
Before I started watching this channel I was an average guy drinking his coffee by the bucket load with a normal coffee machine.
Now I own a Moka pot, aeropress, french press, a hand grinder and different types of coffee beans. James, you've utterly corrupted me you bastard.
Don’t forget the chemex and siphon coffee makers. I have one hand grinder, but it may get upgraded soon. And I have already upgraded my electric grinder several times, passing on the lesser contenders to family and friends. I’m not saving money by making my coffee at home, that’s certain...
@@dberne Where did we go wrong my friend? we were so innocent once.
2:20 Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the answer to this is that most flat burrs produce bimodal grind distributions (essentially the largest modal point represents where your grind setting is, and the lower modal point is much smaller, basically fines), whereas the unimodal is engineered to largely get rid of fines. They both produce quite low fines and low variance distributions, but I have seen from graphs that the unimodal burrs seem to get rid of fines but have slightly more variation in grind size, whereas high uniformity has slightly less variation in grind size but also has more fines.
Seems like the gap in the dosing cup flange is to insert it into the fork the same way you would with a portafilter?
Nope it doesn't fit, it sits ontop of the forks. Just a weird design choice.
I recently got a Eureka Olympus 75, after asking my local espresso repair guy what he recommended. For the price and what it delivers I am very happy with it. It can only grind for espresso.
I like how James doesn’t say “Like, Share and Subscribe” like most people on RUclips.
Excellent review. I love how you share every detail that comes to mind from using the grinder. Very valuable! Good looking grinder too!
Be interesting to see how you feel these stack up against the niche , which is the next step down to most of these
Thanks James for your time and evert you put into it. I just a sage grinder BCG820 BSS
I think the point of the dosing cup's lip absence is to accommodate the back of the portafilter fork when you seat the dosing cup between the fork tines like the portafilter's tabs.
Nah, you can't accommodate the dosing cup in the portafilter fork. :/
No, that's not it. It doesn't make any difference.
Great review as always! More than excited for the week ahead!
And here I thought the Niche was expensive. We’re going to a whole new level...
This grinder looks so solid. For espresso I personally use a sette 30 with the sette 270 adapter so its basically a 270. Very very loud and I have had a sette 30 break on me after only 1 week of use and they gave me a very hard time to replace it causing me to go without a grinder for 4 months. I'm not sure I want to spent this much on a grinder but I'm exploring other options between 600-1000$.
The sette is also horrendous at single dose so you have to keep your hopper half filled. The grind quality and how much I understand the grinder making very little waste when dialing in. How loud and cheap it sounds is the biggest drawback and the fear of it breaking. I like the niche but its very hard to access in canada. I use a Gaggia classic from 1992 that I have restored fuly including all seals, all gaskets, new shower screen, new steam valve and a PID added aswell as bottomless portafilter.
Please comment with some recommendations for a grinder that is consistent, good for single dose, and not insanely loud.
The gap on the dosing cup might have been carved out to make it easier for use on other grinders - especially the EK-43. Some other dosing cups like the one from Acaia have similar structures. Still I don't get it whether this is necessary for a dosing cup which should be dedicated to Lagom P64. Thanks for the great review.
@Peter Ward Peter, thank you for your warm comment. I hope you enjoyed your stay here.
I also believe it would be great to have Korean closed captions here; James provides very high quality videos that worth better accessibility around the globe.
I'm late to this and maybe someone said it before but here it goes:
The larger number = finer grind does make perfect sense. You can go infinitely smaller but beans can only grow to a particular size (size 0 = not ground).
It's the same case with whetstones and sandpaper. Higher number = finer grit.
Wow, last time I was this early Juan Valdez was still picking coffee.
I, understandably, see people comment on the high price of this grinder. I work in an industry that also produces similiary sized products with very high manufacturing standards (albeit B2B, not consumer) and want to give some insight on the pricing of products like this:
First of all, there are no scaling effects for high numbers here. The company probably sells a few hundred of these per year and manufactures everything in a large batch and stocks it for months to come. They have to pay for setting up the machines for the production run, pay for a bunch of sample pieces until the process runs smoothly and cannot benefit from a well running, fine tuned assembly that churns out part after part without having to set up the process over and over again.
Second, you pay for a lot of things you don't see. A lot of the materials here seem quite expensive like the grind cup and funnel which are made of milled aluminum rather than stamped sheet material like the cheap dosing cup. The materials are than treated for surface finish, for instance by sand blasting for the matte finish.
And finally I would assume that a product like this undergoes thorough quality testing, measuring if parts are in tolerances etc. These steps will be done manually since setting up automated measuring isn't feasible for testing just a few hundred pieces. Man power is expensive.
Regarding to something better in the same price range. What about the Ceado E37 SD, it is something like 10-15% more expensive, but with 83mm Titanium flat burrs. What do you think about that one?
It doesn’t get a lot of love but I’ve had a Quamar M80E for several years now and it’s a great machine. Interestingly it’s got almost no static trouble. The only negatives for me is that the 63mm burrs are an odd size and it’s a stepped dial. But really a great affordable hopper grinder.
What a beautiful grinder! The smallest burrs in the showdown!
The intros are getting better and better everytime !!
Somehow my brain thought: ah a smallish grinder maybe even in my price range.....ooh well i guess not xD
Gasps all around at price. Affordable grinders are a challenge. But, with the law of diminishing returns...
@@nowtacoma its probably best to just buy preground regularly from a local roastery or cafe, beats the huge investment in the grinder, is always constant for one coffee, and lets you start with a second hand Gaggia or rancilo silva for as little as 200€ or so
@@izarscharf7845 No it's not. Buy a good hand grinder, there are plenty of budget options (many of which JH has covered). Espresso can be done affordably, but if your starting point robs you of the ability to learn the dial-in process, it's a waste of money and will potentially put you off making it at all.
I started with a Flair (back when there was only the one option) and a Helor 101. I know own the Lagom and I still use a Flair; that should tell you how much more important the grinder is for good coffee than the machine/prep method.
@@instantkamera fr i use an 1zpresso jx-pro and actually prefer it to using my encore. same price, but quicker, more consistent, and can grind finer for dialing in. the baratza makes pots of coffee, the 1zpresso makes shots!
This same comparison with affordable products would be great. And surely much more relatable to 90+% of your viewers.
Would it be good to include the Niche Zero in the final showdown as well? Perhaps a handgrinder for comparison too?
Yes I'm curious of James' choice if he were to choose between the Niche and the Lagom as they are not too far apart in terms of price
The gap in the dosing cup is probably for clamping it to the EK43 clamper
My thoughts exactly;
"Lagom" means "enough","just enough" in Swedish. Makes for a second of major confusion and then the base for a good joke, as this seems to be anything than lagom.
YAY! Finally!
Grinders showdown week!
Reminds me of infrastructure week that was promised by *someone* but never delivered upon.
Having watched the pain in his eyes when the portafilter fell on the counter, and the scrambled egg video how about us less skilled viewers send in videos of our morning routine for James to critique/suffer severe mental torture. Would make excellent content 🙂
But will it turn base metal into gold?
I like it,the foot print look,noise level and adjustable rpm to experiment with 👍 great review as always 🖖
I wish that you would test for retention. Considering that it's a single dose grinder, how much coffee do you get out of it if you put a certain amount in if the grinder was just cleaned? But great video anyway, as always. Looking forward to the rest of the week
Off-topic, but: congratulations on reaching 700,000 subscribers! Well deserved, good sir.
Oh, I have so been looking forward to this series! It's off to a great start. This is certainly a very interesting grinder. I'm curious about using the same, single-dosing, zero retention grinder for both pour-overs and espressos at home, and the Lagom is a great contender, especially since the Niche has been out of stock since forever.
By the way, I'm surprised you didn't mention the meaning of the word "lagom" in Swedish. Perhaps you did not know? It's a word that is often touted as uniquely Swedish. It means something akin to "not too much, not too little, but just right" and can be used about quantities, temperatures, or just about anything. The word is said to be representative of the consensual and diplomatic nature of Swedes. I'm not sure if this is where they took the name from, but it since likely, since the word has gained some international popularity in the last few years.
Finally the series has started!