Titan Battle: EG-1 vs. P100
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
- Two of the best titans, side by side! After many requests, I've decided to get the Weber Workshops EG-1 next to the Option-O P100 for a video. I spend a bit more time discussing the EG-1 since I have not featured it on the channel before. Hope this was interesting and let me know if you have any questions. Timestamps below.
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Intro 0:00
P100 1:46
EG-1 4:25
Grinding Demonstration Fastest + Normal RPMs 13:15
P100 Flavors/Taste thoughts 15:53
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For the motor sound alone while grinding I’d take the p100. With everything else on top of that you’ve really confirmed my decision! Definitely my end-game flat!
The fact that the EG1, at over $4000US, will STALL if you're not very particular about your bean feed rate is an absolute deal killer for me. P100 for me between these two, no question.
It’s an absolute travesty. Like wtf
@@diazmk It needs gears. More torque at lower RPMs. I think it's a case of simplicity not being the best approach. One of the reasons I like the Niche Zero, it's mechanically very sensible.
Nonsense
Been waiting for a comparison of these two! Lovely work!
Was waiting for this one! Thanks Brian!
Both beautiful works of engineering. If I had the money it would be in a P100 simply because of the customer support situation. Webber makes beautiful items but for that much money the support should be flawless.
At this price point I would expect no quirks. Plus I am not a Weber Workshops fan due to their poor customer service and leadership. How do this stack up to the bentwood? That has been the most interesting grinder you have shown in my
Opinion.
Also curious how the Bentwood compares to these two...
Great reviews. I'm glad that u mentioned about stalling and bean feeding rate of the Weber. I do think they are trying to be different with their tilted angle and so and their effort of trying to make their products look good. But if feeding rate is going to make a different, then it's another variation to be concern for. As much as I do like experimenting and understanding the technical side of coffee and espresso, I really hate inconsistency. Which is why all the rpm adjustment, manual pressure profiling, manual flow profiling are too much for me if they are not repeatable.
Thanks for the video Brian- I always see the EG-1 on your counter and have been interested to hear your thoughts about it. Any chance for a video that brings your Kafatek grinders into the mix for comparison? Also maybe the Titus? :)
The EG-1 motor sound like it's being taxed. At this price point there should be no compromises and Weber should up the motor power / quality.
For someone who strictly sticks to pour overs, I would love to hear your thoughts on how these pair up for that application with the EG-1 Ultra Burrs. Love your work!
Great review. Brian, where did you get that green small dish you use to wet beans?
I was actually surprised that the EG1 can stall, especially at its price point.
I have seen someone said it is a low torque motor (DCBL) in the EG-1, cannot understand the design decision behind it.
Seems they didn’t learn because the key has the same issue
@@axroes I have read from the others saying the manufacturer tell them to just use a higher rpm, the design for lower rpm limit is for a more possibily as we still do not know very well the effect of motor rpm.
That was not the exact wordings from them, I could not recall what the words they use, but you kind of get the meaning.
This is a deal breaker for me, especially given the price point.
Woohoo! So excited to see this show up in my feed. Great comparison. I’m going with the P-100 atm…hopefully in Nov.
I have a p100 for sale.
@@revolutiondance1141 WHY! Also where and how much? :)
I second that - why? In addition to price and location can you include color and burrs included…and age/condition.
It’s in black, brand new, location Minnesota.it’s posted on Craigslist Minneapolis.
The thing that pushed me over the edge for the EG-1 over the P100 was actually something Jonathan Gagne did: He published particle size distributions from laser diffraction analysis for each of the three burr sets available for the EG-1 on his Patreon. He did this for various grind sizes, and he also showed the effects of the different RPM settings with different burrs. Credit goes to Weber for sharing this data with him, and more importantly, for collecting the data in the first place before naming their burrs.
As far as the burr sets were concerned, the results were that each of the three burrs did (gasp!) exactly what Weber said they did. There was a clear hierarchy in unimodal-ness, with Base at the bottom and behaving more like a stereotypical conical burr, then Core, then Ultra at the top. It's a wonderful thing simply to be able to know what you're buying.
Contrast this with SSP, where none of this data is available, and if you ask them for it, they won't give it to you. That's probably because they don't have it, frankly. Laser diffraction analysis is expensive, and by all indications, the names of SSP burrs are pretty arbitrary and don't really reflect how the burrs perform. So you're stuck relying on internet folklore in making your burr choice. Ditto when picking an RPM setting on the P100.
Brian, I'll also second the comment that the "Ultra" burrs you mentioned trying aren't the ones Weber calls Ultra Low Fines. SSP's fault, not yours. Weber's Ultra burrs seem unimodal/high clarity, probably more similar to what you're getting with the various 98mm burrs.
SSP has said Weber's "Ultra" burrs are most similar to their own High Uniformity. My guess: That's because Weber, quite possibly unlike SSP, actually had SSP's HU burrs analyzed, and renamed them Ultra Low Fines because that's what they really were: a burr that produced very few fines, probably quite a bit fewer than the 80mm burrs SSP refers to as ULF.
You might think I'm a little salty about SSP. And yes, I'm a little salty about SSP.
Great video thanks Brian. Clarification point on the EG1 Ultra burrs: Weber call them “ULF”, but SSP call them “HU”. SSP have a different 80mm ULF set with scalloped finishing, and another 80mm LU that look like HU but have less aggressive cutting geometry and a different finishing angle (maybe more outfall - not sure).
On another episode of whack SSP naming lol...
I'll need to find someone local with a set to try out as it's been 1 yr+ since I tasted them. Now wondering exactly how the 80mm "ULFs" will compare...
@@BrianQuan it's a great sitcom... I've got 80mm LU in my 804. I thought they were HU, but apparently LU. Both HU and LU are also called "Multipurpose" depending on the phase of the moon 🤣
Another rabbit hole I am falling into is the 83mm Mazzer Flats. 121G,F etc. feels like alphabet soup
Hey@@BrianQuan, would you mind sharing your findings on the 83mm space? I'm down that rabbit hole as well and it's very confusing.
good video man. where'd you get the t-shirt? I want!
People might see this and think the Lagom P100 comes with that plastic dosing cup (that's from the DF64 right?) I found it gave my Monolith Flat a horrible case of static which is funny because it doesn't seem to affect the DF64 negatively but maybe on the P100 as well using a metal dosing cup or dosing direct to your portafilter with the supplied funnel is probably a good idea if you're like me and don't wanna do RDT (water spray).
3750USD for a machine where the motor is underpowered feels a bit weird to me
It's like... it would be underpowered in a grinder $1500-$2000 cheaper :|
Weber bullshit will tell the brainwashed "it is actually by design a feature that protects the motor and improves longevity of parts."
Profiling of made always makes things so fun to be with, con vs flat burr battle never-ending to keep its rolls to get a better and better product
Please let me know where you got that green dish used to wet beans on EG-1 vs P100 Thanks!
How would you compare EG-1 shots to Bentwood and 807 LB?
I don't know how much coarser you're going for pourover, but with the same burrs in the P100, I do not have to fiddle with the grind size indicator what so ever. Its like half a full rotation between espresso and pourover, and thats it.
What was the janky setup for the portafilter for the EG-1 lol.
The stepped adjustment from espresso to pourover is not that much more superior with EG-1, what if you left it on 6 in pour over and came back and tried to grind for espresso? There is no indication.
Wow you need to baby the EG-1 with the number of beans you feed? That is really surprising.
Thanks for the review! If I plan to get the next P100 order, and I mainly do light roast pour over, perhaps in the future I will get into espresso (mainly milk drinks). Should I opt for the standard HU, or ask them for the SSP Brew?
For filter brewing 98 Brew is amazing. However keep in mind for espresso you can't really pull a traditional shot with them (you'll basically be at touch), but for more modern styles of fast flowing shots they are fantastic. I think starting with 98 Brew and then finding a set of 98 HU or MK burrs would be my play!
@@BrianQuan Good advice! Thank you!!
Would love to see more filter content too since I think for most people espresso at home is too much of a hassle/investment 🙏
@@BrianQuan I just placed an order this evening, I wonder what’s the ONE BURRS to rule them all solution, would SSP Cast be the play?
What scale are you using for your espresso shots?
Do fines matter for espresso when one uses a filter paper?
In your opinion - what makes a grinder "forgiving" or "unforgiving". Is it the grind uniformity per se or a combination of factors? Also.. is clarity sometimes achieved at the expense of body?
Funny you mention the blind tumbler being great for pour over: I use it for that with my Ode/SSP, and it really is super nice for that! It’s really not that great for distributing espresso.
I’ve never stalled my eg1 during normal use, just once when a foreign object found its way into my beans. I grind light coffee but not ultra light and to be fair most light coffee is for filter. I jump from filter to espresso every day and I love that I can get back to my exact grind with the index positions, it really is useful. The rpm knob on my machine moves the entire knob, not the outer ring so I find it easy to use. Great video, thanks Brian.
How does the P100 compare to the monolith max?
Would is be possible to do a comparison between all the burrs available for the P100? There seems to be so many burrs you can install in it:
SSP HU
SSP LU
SSP Ultra Low
SSP Cast
EK43 Standard?
EK43 Turkish?
So you are saying the most all around burr for the P100 is the SSP LU (Low Uniformity)?
I assume that this was the EG-1 V2, and not V3 that was announced a couple months after this video? I wonder if the V3 had improved upon the mentioned pain points, stalling etc.
You will avoid weber machines once you understand their QC control and customer service support.
Yea their Customer service turned me off of them.
@@cameronbatko If you don't like their customer service then you might be sprotarded
@@MattM-24 my good friend has had an awful experience with their customer support so far and has essentially had a 2000$ Key-shaped paperweight for over 6 months. So no, he's not sprotarded, you're just mean and lack empathy.
@@yesthatenzo sorry, was merely referencing how they treated Sprometheus and changing his email to sprotard in their system. If they won't help a RUclipsr then they aren't helping us regular folk
@@MattM-24 oh I see, sorry too, it's that online miscommunication, didn't realize that that's what you meant. And yeah for sure, it's a pity though cause their design is about as beautiful as their service is shocking. Cheers, and sorry for the misunderstanding.
Another great video and thanks for confirming that I want to get an EG-1 as an end game grinder.
Got one for sale if interested... still same as new condition
This is exactly what I said . EG-1 is another level.
@@darylfortney8081 Hi Daryl, where at and how much are you looking for? Thanks
What about SSP HU in EK43?
would you stay with the same recommedations/comments for the lagom 01 vs eg-1?
whats the best single dose conical grinder
Have anyone already some experience between the lagom01 and the eg1? :-)
Do you plan on reviewing the ceado e37z hero? It doesn't have these problems with hot start. The motor is very strong. Also, it has bellows, and pushing that during grinding helps with consistency.
I don't believe anyone in my area has one, but if someone would like to send one to me I'd love to check it out!
@@BrianQuan What's your area?
@@mbadoiu I'm in the San Francisco Bay Area!
Funny for such an expensive grinder, you still gotta worry about stalling, and at 500 RPM!. The Monolith Flat can do 20! RPM :D Although I did have it stall on me grinding really light roast set to espresso at 20RPM, that was a bad idea, just tried it out to demonstrate how nice and quiet / relaxing it sounded for a video :D I think it does work well at 200 RPM but it does take forever at such low RPM.
At Max RPM it sounds like the EG1 is popcorning and maybe struggling, took a while for 10g to grind,
P100, pitch changes a bit but it's more of a beast!
No 98mm more traditional burr options? I feel like that might be a waste in such a high end grinder though. I had 64mm SSP cast burrs in my P64 and would rather have the stock burrs because I figure if you want something traditional with higher body and less clarity, you can get a similar profile for a lot less $$ with a cheaper conical burr grinder.
Do you know if the blind tumbler fits the nomad stock basket or other nomad fitting filter baskets?
The top rim of the Nomad funnel off Etsy from Creativewerk fits 58mm accessories like the blind tumbler snugly
Nice variety of Passenger coffees. I've currently got Mikuba Honey, Divino Nino, Edgar Garcia Osso Gesha, little bag of the Mutana experiments 72hr anaerobic (cherry bomb), and have a bag of the Montecarols Pacamara due in tomorrow. Went a little crazy buying Passenger the last couple of weeks. Of the 3 you've got on the bar, which is your favorite, and do you have any others on deck?
This year's Divino Nino Pink Bourbon has been my favorite Passenger
Passenger has been my favorite American roaster that I've tried
No thanks on paying that much for a fiddly massive grinder with crap customer service! Ordered the P100 and can’t wait to get it.
Yea I’m glad I went P100 after watching this. The sound alone that motor makes on the EG-1 even with that painfully slow feed rate…does not inspire confidence. I am definitely a clarity junky, and the P100 has never disappointed in that regard. But I can also get fantastic tasting medium roast espresso out of it, especially with a pressure profiling machine. Just up the RPM to 6 or 7 to get a little more fines and you can get plenty of body.
Without any single doubts, P100 is a much better grinder imho.
Brian please review SD40
Beautiful video Brian.
We need another head to head for conical titans Brian.
Both of these machines are ergonomically and functionally compromised but aren't all coffee grinders? I have an Kafatek MC4 and it too is compromised. Is there such a thing as a perfect end-game coffee grinder?
Lagom P64 with stock burrs is pretty good. I'd like it to have the Auto Ramp and knocker of the P100 though.
Perhaps look into a Titus grinder if you're looking for perfection :o
Friend which one do you suggest eg-1 with ultra burr or p100 with brew burr (for brewer competition)?
P100 with Brew, it is pure joy for a power user
Up until the taste notes, I was thinking WHY would anyone want to buy the more expensive EG1 over the P100 (with larger burrs). It seems like Weber has worse workflow and is more finicky, popcorns and grinds slower, but it does sound like they did a good job with their blind Core burrs, it's hard to get a grinder or burr set that does everything really nicely.
Quirks at this price point? And underwhelming customer support? P100 is the king bar none.
You also get the satisfaction of knowing that the owner of Option-O isn’t a total jerk online.
My new favorite coffee you tube thank you
What is the grinder on the counter with the red ring?
JT64! There is a video of it on the channel.
That EG-1 sounds like it wants to die!
Big Money Brian in Da House, Babbyyyy
The eg-1 wiper is kinda annoying. Isn't it?
p100 is such a beast!
Selling my EG-1 to get a P100 if anyone is interested.
EG1 has a very long shaft and I worry about alignment. Seems like form over function design
The eg-1 sounds worse than ssp mp on the fellow ode at espresso setting
I purchased an P100 earlier this year, and I have been thinking about getting a second titan class grinder for contrasting experiences. This comparative video is pushing me towards getting a second P100 with brew burrs instead of the EG1.
I've been wondering - what 64 mm SSP burrset would be closest to the EG-1 core burrs?
Lab Sweet Cast V2
@@BrianQuan so it's relatively forgiving and gives more body compared to MP but still more clear and sweeter than HU?
@@BrianQuan and whats the acidity presentation like?
These are two very different beasts in my opinion. Think about what do you want from your coffee and then choose. EG-1 is overpriced already, can you imagine you want high clarity 1:3 shots from your light roasts and you end up with EG paying a lot more. Anyways comparing high end grinders is always a job that will split your audience but hey at least you get the engagment 😊
Is the P100 good for body in an espresso?
that is very burr set dependent
@@BrianQuan what burr would you recommend? I’m receiving a P100 tomorrow with Ssp HU.
@@robbob1492 prob would look at cast or mizens. you can ask in the discord for more help!
Hi Brian, so the Weber Ultra burrs are actually the SSP 80mm HU which Weber has called Ultra.
To be fair it is very normal for a motor having low torque in lower RPM, may be the some grinders do stall but we cannot see it because they have no display for RPM. I have never thought about feeding the coffee slow at lower RPM, I just crank up the speed until the number is stable like at 900rpm. I would try this new technique to see how good it is at 500RPM.
I have seen others have a very good feedback using the EG-1 pair with the SSP DB-2 ULF for filter and even espresso, it would be interesting if you could do a review to see how is it on filter compair to the 98mm brew in P100.
Another point to note for EG-1 would be there is a little play at the static burr, so there might be a chance you will be grinding finer than the chirp point, especially using the SSP DB-2 ULF burrs (they said they do not recommond it for espresso).
We might also take the customer service into account, WW get -1 point from how they treat the very first backer of the KEY grinder.
I have tried to use 500rpm at filer fine, pour one bean at a time, the speed still goes up to 700-800, the control must put more power to the DC motor in order not to jam the motor and that result a higher speed.
I am just using the CORE burr , not yet tried on the SSP ULF burrs.
I will get the P100 one day. I have to!
Hope to see Mazzer ZM with 83mm SSP HU burrs on your channel.
Hoping to get one in to try, but I'm getting a DF83 and I'll be trying a few mazzers out
@@BrianQuan Oh very nice to hear that. can't wait to see what's your opinion. I think 83mm Burr set are quite interesting I saw many people switched from EK43 to ZM and never look back. There should be something special either burr size or the quality of the grinder.😉
Courious to see you went with the top of the line profi SD, low retention grinder choices but retained a Breville appliance. Don't get me wrong, they make ok coffee and can pull a decent shot but they have their place, if you know what I mean. Cheers.
With flow control as well as top notch temp stability because it has a heated grouphead and pre-brew boiler hx loop through the steam boiler. What more do you actually need from a machine. Next step up is at the minimum a Bianca, which is worse is some regards, then you're up to the Decent and LMLM.
7:45 that voice sounds familliar
Great video! If I'm spending that much $$ then form is equally important as function and unfortunately I think the P100 is really FUGLY! I think if I was only going with only one grinder i would go with ditting lab sweet.
agree ditting sweet lab will be my next grinder very few reviews on it though.
Man, according to the comments, looks like you haven't changed burr yet, I suggest DON'T do it, don't try the ultra burr, not that the burr is not good, it's because alignment of eg1 is EXTREMELY TRICKY. It has been almost 2 months that I still can't get it right after tried it and put the core back on(I sadly found the ultra burr can't do espresso period, I was curious to try because of Gagne), everything I make is just extremely sour, and if I go finer, choke.....
It is very disturbing, by the EG1, that the speed is instabil by grinding. I has obviously a very weak motor. Think on it, that in the same shot you have high and low speed crumbles mixed. You have no homogeneity.
I see the numbers change a bit when grinding (light roast, espresso size) on the Monolith Flat as well, I think it's normal or pretty much inevitable to have a little RPM variation, as long as it's not huge jumps and dips I don't think it would make a noticeable difference.
Even at high RPM it did kinda sound like it was struggling or maybe that was just the sound of it popcorning, it took a while for the EG1 to grind just 10g.
@@BensCoffeeRants For that price EG-1 has, it would be expectable a motor with adequate torque. Higher RPM not helps much, because of higher temperatures.
Yep, very underpowered@700w, it's not shown anywhere but not that hard if do some digging 🙃
@@fourtii8707 can't tell if you're serious or not lol but 700w sounds pretty high power for a coffee grinder. I think things get trickier at lower rpm due to gearing or maybe it uses reduced power for lower rpm I'm not sure how it works.
@@BensCoffeeRants Exactly. Beside the motor power can be used a flywheel to stabilize speed. The motor alone cannot react quickly enough by low RPM.
Why doesn't most of the youtube coffee reviewers talk about Ceado espresso grinders?
Weber Workshops is just ridiculously overpriced for what they do.
i'll take 2 of each, thanks
Fingering a grinder isn't the best of ideas lol 13:04
EG-1 tumbler and catch attachments is a total shit show trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist grinding directly into the portafilter with a funnel
EG-1 is a completely different level grinder. It’s a game changer for filter coffee. I would say it’s the best electronic grinder for filter coffee right now .
I'm hoping to try the the 80mm ULF/HU non-blind at some point but personally I feel that 98mm offers such a more appealing flavor profile specifically for filter especially with 98 SSP Brew and MK Cast.
Grinders that looks like a microscope :D